[NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates

Wed Feb 27 14:30:35 AKST 2013

Me too!  Hey Mark, maybe there should be a way for people to compete to be
the team mascot/water  boy -- win in that competition and you get to
accompany the team to the WC as gofer and you get to watch the flying :-)

I'm trying to convince my wife that she really wants to visit South Africa
this year :-)

Peter+

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 3:25 PM, Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com>wrote:

> I'd be glad to "participate" formally in FAI during the next F3A team
> selection year.  Does that mean I'd actually have to fly the F3A maneuvers?
>
> Just askin'
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
> > That may offset the revenue, but I really think we need to get the FAI
> guys (Myself included) to participate formally.  We're already at the
> contest.  We all aspire to be on the team even though most will never get
> there.  Supporting it should be part of the program.  At the end of the
> day, that's why we compete at every level, but certainly at FAI.
> >
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
> > Fax: 440.684.3102
> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |
> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 5:25 PM, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net
> <mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Mark,
> >
> > Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00
> per and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.
> >
> > Arch
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<mailto:
> atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>>
> > Date:
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
> >
> >
> > As a side to that…
> >
> > We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our
> "Official" participation levels.  FAI GUYS!!!!  We NEED many more of you to
> sign up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise
> in 2014) if we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that
> we get now from the AMA.   To do that, I think we need to drastically lower
> the price tag.  The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate
> event and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge.   That's no
> longer an expense burden that the selection contest bears.
> >
> > The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in determining
> the level of financial support that each team receives.   We don't get a
> lot of money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry fees ($900
> /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and they help
> with some of the hotel bill.  It's a fraction of what we need, but it's
> still a big help.  For this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the $60K we'll
> need.  But if we don't increase our participation, we'll lose it.
> >
> > This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers… but less than 10 participated in
> the team trial….meaning they paid the entry fee.  Admittedly, I was one who
> did not.  I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending
> $170 "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition.  But
> if we can lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would
> participate simply to support the team (that's where the entry fee money
> goes by the way…all of it) especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA
> to continue their funding.
> >
> > I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but
> thought I'd chime in now :)
> >
> > Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.
> >
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
> > Fax: 440.684.3102
> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com><mailto:
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |  www.paragon-inc.com<
> http://www.paragon-inc.com><http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering <jerry at buddengineering.com
> <mailto:jerry at buddengineering.com><mailto:jerry at buddengineering.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small.  It's occurred to some of
> us over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at a
> good local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection
> contest as we do now.
> >
> > Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at the
> show in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers that
> be" in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection
> contest to ever be held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie.  Go Figure.
> >
> > -0
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net<mailto:
> burtona at atmc.net><mailto:burtona at atmc.net>> wrote:
> >
> > Amen +2
> >
> > As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having
> the resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more
> difficult.
> > Dave
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of John Fuqua
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM
> > To: 'General pattern discussion'
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > +1
> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "mike mueller" <mups1953 at yahoo.com<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com
> ><mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>>
> > To: "Archie Stafford" <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
> astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>>, "General
> pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> > OK I want to play devil's advocate.
> > What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?
> > Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to participate?
> Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away a half day
> of practice?
> > In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site
> would be a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where
> with all to achieve this?
> > I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put forth
> to make it happen.
> > I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.
> > Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is
> well represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess
> who are pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're
> doing pretty well.
> > I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every year.
> I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go there.
> > Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
> astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>> wrote:
> >
> > From: Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
> astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM
> > IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.
> >
> > Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more
> park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,
>  with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids
> would rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do
> anything for them. The younger members are just different. 3D and helis are
> much more exciting to them. Times have changed.
> >
> > Arch
> >
> >
> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com><mailto:
> rcpilot at wowway.com>>
> > Date:
> > To: vicenterc at comcast.net<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net>,'General<mailto:
> vicenterc at comcast.net<http://comcast.net>,'General> pattern discussion' <
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> ><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us.  With
> their attendance I’m surprised the AMA will even give them a week.  Not
> that I’m suggesting they don’t deserve a week.  One of the issues I have
> with the NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS
> and FAI that don’t make the cut don’t get any more flights than a regular
> weekend contest.  Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12
> guaranteed flights.  That would make it more likely that the west coasters
> would make the long trip to Muncie.
> >
> >
> >
> > No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer.  You get
> hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the
> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the
> roar of a 4 engine B-17.  These are all endeavors that are not associated
> with the typical AMA member.  If the AMA thinks they can survive without
> these folks then let them try.  What these groups need to do is stop
> supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc.  They’ll have nothing
> to draw the attention of new members.  AMA membership will never be what it
> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than they used to be
> and there are so many more thinks competing for their interest.  We need to
> find a financially viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to
> mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no AMA.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net
> <mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net><mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net>
> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> >
> >
> > Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks.  I got to
> work tomorrow.
> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com<mailto:vanputter at gmail.com><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>
> > Sender: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
> >
> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02
> > To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
> >>
> > Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
> >>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >
> > For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the
> Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the
> "picnic".  On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm.  When I
> mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What
> thunderstorm?"
> >
> > BTW, what did they call that stuff they served?  Was it Lynchburg
> Lemonade?  It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
> >
> >> At least that part you remember
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
> >
> >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>]
> On Behalf Of Ronald Van
> >> Putte
> >> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM
> >> To: General pattern discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >>
> >> The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!
> >>
> >> Ron
> >>
> >> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> >>
> >>> Scott,  I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I voice
> >> that!)   Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever.  Obviously
> enough
> >> was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete
> boycott of
> >> the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.
> >>>
> >>> Peter, has the nats every been in a vacation spot???  Hmmmm.
> >>> Lawrenceville, IL certainly wasn't, and even the Npac in Tullahoma
> >>> wasn't exactly family friendly (although I seem to recall a wicked
> >>> hangover from a very nice tour/picnic at the Jack Daniel's distillary)
> >>> Mark Atwood Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> >>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> >>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
> >>> Fax: 440.684.3102
> >>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com
> ><mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com><mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<
> http://paragon-inc.com><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.atwood@paragon-inc.com>>
>  |
> >>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com><
> http://www.paragon-inc.com/><http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg
> >> <scmcharg at gmail.com<mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com><mailto:
> scmcharg at gmail.com><mailto:scmcharg at gmail.com<http://gmail.com><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scmcharg@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> With all due respect to a very nice guy and a guy very involved with
> what
> >> goes on, I do not necessarily agree with your reason being over.  The
> NSRCA
> >> does not have much say on how it is run at all.  I will admit that
> they, at
> >> the very least, listen to our concerns now but the AMA runs the show.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Ronald Van Putte
> >> <vanputter at gmail.com<mailto:vanputter at gmail.com><mailto:
> vanputter at gmail.com><mailto:vanputter at gmail.com<http://gmail.com><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >>> We had N-PAC because AMA refused to permit NSRCA to have any say on how
> >> the Nats were run.  That reason is over.  Now we have to compete for
> Nats
> >> time with other SIGs.  In my opinion, the best way to do that is to
> increase
> >> the number of Nats competitors in R/C Aerobatics.
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
> >>>
> >>> We also used to have NPAC.  Now, we have to do what we can within the
> >> framework of the AMA and their time restraints.  It is very unfortunate.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Rock
> >> <charlierock at me.com<mailto:charlierock at me.com><mailto:
> charlierock at me.com><mailto:charlierock at me.com<http://me.com><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=charlierock@me.com>>> wrote:
> >>> And that is very very sad to hear!!! Charlie
> >>>
> >>> "When people are afraid of a government that is -  Tyranny; And a
> >> government that is afraid of the people that is - Liberty."
> >> Thomas Jefferson
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Archie Stafford
> >> <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:
> astafford at md.metrocast.net><mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net<
> http://md.metrocast.net><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=astafford@md.metrocast.net>>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I completely agree Ron but those days are gone. The AMA is no longer
> >>> focused on competition like it used to be
> >>>
> >>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -------- Original message --------
> >>> From: Ronald Van Putte
> >>> <vanputter at gmail.com<mailto:vanputter at gmail.com><mailto:
> vanputter at gmail.com><mailto:vanputter at gmail.com<http://gmail.com><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>>
> >>> Date:
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.
> > <
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org%3cmailto:nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.%0b>>>
> org>>
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I know that "suck" and "blow" are opposites, but that situation both
> >> "sucks" and "blows".  We used to have a designated "checkin/practice"
> day
> >> and a "rain" day.
> >>>
> >>> Ron
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> The AMA has shortened the total NATS period this year, so you read that
> >> correct. Fortunately, our actual flying days were not changed.  Soaring
> went
> >> from 13 days to 6 days this year. In previous years, it was never truly
> our
> >> day, but it worked out that way as a day of setup for the workers.  We
> have
> >> never had a true practice day, but since the sites were free, they were
> >> available.  Sites 1 and 4 may be available, but that remains to be seen.
> >> Once Pylon is done then we will be able to use the sites.  Think of it
> as
> >> how the others sites have worked on Saturdays in previous years.
> >>>
> >>> Archie
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Mon 02/25/13 3:31 PM , mike mueller
> >> mups1953 at yahoo.com<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com><mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com
> ><mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com<http://yahoo.com><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mups1953@yahoo.com>> sent:
> >>>
> >>> I have a question too.
> >>> On the AMA site they show RC Pylon still being there on the Sunday the
> >>> 21st. If that's the case will it stop us from practicing on that day?
> >>> Thanks, Mike
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Bob Kane wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Bob Kane
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >>> To: "General pattern discussion"
> >>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 2:23 PM
> >>>
> >>> I sent a message on facebook, but here is my quesiton again via "real"
> >> email . . .  .
> >>>
> >>> Am I set to work site 1 again this year?  I am not going to try and
> >> compete and work as I did last year, it did not work out very well.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks.
> >>>
> >>> Bob Kane
> >>> getterflash at yahoo.com<mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com><mailto:
> getterflash at yahoo.com><mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com<http://yahoo.com><
> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=getterflash@yahoo.com>>
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: Archie Stafford
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 11:03 AM
> >>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
> >>>
> >>> Just settled dates here at the NATS planning meeting. The official
> dates
> >> are now set and I want to get it out early.
> >>>
> >>> July 21-25.
> >>> Check-In is July 21.
> >>> Intermediate & Advanced flying July 22-24 Masters and FAI Prelims July
> >>> 22-24 Masters & FAI finals July 25
> >>>
> >>> Fees are the same as last year.
> >>> Early entry deadline:  June 24
> >>> Late deadline: July 8
> >>>
> >>> Fees will once again double after June 24. Refunds can be issued up to
> 24
> >> hours prior to start, minus the AMA part,  so if you register early and
> have
> >> to change, you can get your NSRCA fees back.
> >>>
> >>> Will update with more information later, but wanted to get the dates
> out
> >> for planning purposes.
> >>>
> >>> Arch
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