[NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates

Wed Feb 27 13:45:41 AKST 2013

I'd give D7 guys first shot, then if there are open slots I'd look to D6 & 8

Peter+

On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>wrote:

> How about red headed district 6 step children with illegitimate chances of
> breaking into the top 20?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Peter Vogel <vogel.peter at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'll sponsor up to 5 guys from D7 who would like to compete at the team
> trials but don't want to pay the full entry fee...
>
> Peter+
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM, Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem is, however, $30 from 30 contestants is still only $900 vs.
>> $170 from 10.  Your idea warrants some research though.  Local contests
>> stepping up to help is another interesting path to look into.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> We could add 5 bucks to every local contest entry and donate that to FAI.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Mark,
>>> >
>>> > Another option is to adjust the entry fee for all classes. Maybe 25.00
>>> per and all of that goes to the team. Would be easy enough to do.
>>> >
>>> > Arch
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original message --------
>>> > From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> > Date:
>>> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Team Selection - was 2013 NATS dates
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > As a side to that…
>>> >
>>> > We need to have a serious discussion about the team selection and our
>>> "Official" participation levels.  FAI GUYS!!!!  We NEED many more of you to
>>> sign up for the team selection event (be it part of the Nats or otherwise
>>> in 2014) if we're going to continue to get the same level of funding that
>>> we get now from the AMA.   To do that, I think we need to drastically lower
>>> the price tag.  The price tag ($170) is reminiscent of holding a separate
>>> event and paying for the judges to come for 4 days and judge.   That's no
>>> longer an expense burden that the selection contest bears.
>>> >
>>> > The AMA has made "participation" a critical point factor in
>>> determining the level of financial support that each team receives.   We
>>> don't get a lot of money, but they do pay for the World Championship entry
>>> fees ($900 /pilot, $500 /team manager, $150 /caller ) which is a lot, and
>>> they help with some of the hotel bill.  It's a fraction of what we need,
>>> but it's still a big help.  For this year's WC's it's about $7800 of the
>>> $60K we'll need.  But if we don't increase our participation, we'll lose it.
>>> >
>>> > This past Nats we had 30+ FAI flyers… but less than 10 participated in
>>> the team trial….meaning they paid the entry fee.  Admittedly, I was one who
>>> did not.  I finished 11th, but that's a far cry from top 3, so spending
>>> $170 "Just to participate" didn't seem like a good value proposition.  But
>>> if we can lower the cost to say $30, or something reasonable, then I would
>>> participate simply to support the team (that's where the entry fee money
>>> goes by the way…all of it) especially knowing that it will motivate the AMA
>>> to continue their funding.
>>> >
>>> > I'll hammer this home more next year when it's more relevant, but
>>> thought I'd chime in now :)
>>> >
>>> > Please feel free to return to your regularly scheduled conversation.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Mark Atwood
>>> > Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>>> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>>> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Direct: 440-229-2502
>>> > Fax: 440.684.3102
>>> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |
>>> www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Budd Engineering <
>>> jerry at buddengineering.com<mailto:jerry at buddengineering.com>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Or a LOT easier because it's gotten so small.  It's occurred to some
>>> of us over the past several years that you could hold the US Team Trials at
>>> a good local field and still have an as good, if not better, team selection
>>> contest as we do now.
>>> >
>>> > Incidentally, when I mentioned this to a couple of the AMA people at
>>> the show in Ontario last month it was made quite clear that the "powers
>>> that be" in AMA have absolutely no interest in allowing the Team Selection
>>> contest to ever be held anywhere but at the AMA site in Muncie.  Go Figure.
>>> >
>>> > -0
>>> >
>>> > Jerry
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 27, 2013, at 10:59 AM, "Dave Burton" <burtona at atmc.net<mailto:
>>> burtona at atmc.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Amen +2
>>> >
>>> > As pattern participation continues to shrink the possibility of having
>>> the resources to hold the Nats at a different venue gets even more
>>> difficult.
>>> > Dave
>>> >
>>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Fuqua
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:54 AM
>>> > To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> >
>>> > AMEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>> >
>>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince"
>>> Bortone
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:43 AM
>>> > To: General pattern discussion
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> >
>>> > +1
>>> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > From: "mike mueller" <mups1953 at yahoo.com<mailto:mups1953 at yahoo.com>>
>>> > To: "Archie Stafford" <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
>>> astafford at md.metrocast.net>>, "General pattern discussion" <
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> >>
>>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 9:36:31 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> > OK I want to play devil's advocate.
>>> > What is all this talk about an off site Nats about?
>>> > Is it that we need to move it around to allow new people to
>>> participate? Or is it the changes to the schedule that basically takes away
>>> a half day of practice?
>>> > In my opinion it's not that big of a deal. Moving the Nats off site
>>> would be a huge endeavor. Who has the resources, energy and financial where
>>> with all to achieve this?
>>> > I doubt that we could pull it off. Unless a lot of effort was put
>>> forth to make it happen.
>>> > I think the AMA has supported us in a decent manner.
>>> > Also look at the current BOD of the AMA and you'll see that pattern is
>>> well represented with more than our share. We also have Muncie employess
>>> who are pattern fliers. We have friends in high places and I think we're
>>> doing pretty well.
>>> > I'm luck enough to go to the Muncie facility for 3 contests every
>>> year. I'm amazed at the support we get from the AMA staff every time we go
>>> there.
>>> > Things could be a lot worse. Thanks, Mike Mueller
>>> >
>>> > --- On Mon, 2/25/13, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net
>>> <mailto:astafford at md.metrocast.net>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net<mailto:
>>> astafford at md.metrocast.net>>
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> > Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 8:44 PM
>>> > IMAC has been warned. They already lost one day from a few years ago.
>>> >
>>> > Also, years ago I would've agreed. Today though the AMA has a lot more
>>> park flyers and sport flyers than any other discipline . Most of my club,
>>>  with 86 members now flies smaller electrics. Many of the younger kids
>>> would rather fly foamies than anything. Pattern, IMAC, and scale don't do
>>> anything for them. The younger members are just different. 3D and helis are
>>> much more exciting to them. Times have changed.
>>> >
>>> > Arch
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -------- Original message --------
>>> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com<mailto:rcpilot at wowway.com>>
>>> > Date:
>>> > To: vicenterc at comcast.net,'General<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net,'General>
>>> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> >
>>> > What about IMAC they have less attendance at the NATS than us.  With
>>> their attendance I’m surprised the AMA will even give them a week.  Not
>>> that I’m suggesting they don’t deserve a week.  One of the issues I have
>>> with the NATS is that Intermediate and Advanced Pilots and those in MASTERS
>>> and FAI that don’t make the cut don’t get any more flights than a regular
>>> weekend contest.  Perhaps more would attend if we offered every pilot 12
>>> guaranteed flights.  That would make it more likely that the west coasters
>>> would make the long trip to Muncie.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > No one gets hooked on RC by watching someone fly a park flyer.  You
>>> get hooked by watching someone go crazy with a heli or an IMAC plane or the
>>> graceful flying of a pattern plane or the speed/wow factor of a jet or the
>>> roar of a 4 engine B-17.  These are all endeavors that are not associated
>>> with the typical AMA member.  If the AMA thinks they can survive without
>>> these folks then let them try.  What these groups need to do is stop
>>> supporting the AMA with their articles, photos, etc.  They’ll have nothing
>>> to draw the attention of new members.  AMA membership will never be what it
>>> used to be because kids now a day are so much busier than they used to be
>>> and there are so many more thinks competing for their interest.  We need to
>>> find a financially viable solution for both the NSRCA and the AMA not to
>>> mention all the other SIGS. Without the SIGS there would be no AMA.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
>>> vicenterc at comcast.net<mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net>
>>> > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 6:20 PM
>>> > To: General pattern discussion
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Guys it is too early in the week to talk about good drinks.  I got to
>>> work tomorrow.
>>> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com<
>>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputter@gmail.com>>
>>> > Sender: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
>>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
>>> >
>>> > Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:57:02
>>> > To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<
>>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
>>> >>
>>> > Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <
>>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org
>>> >>
>>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> >
>>> > For those who weren't there, we had several buses take us from the
>>> Tullahoma airport about 12 miles to the Jack Daniels' distillery for the
>>> "picnic".  On the way back, there was a terrible thunderstorm.  When I
>>> mentioned the storm to some attendee the next day, they said, "What
>>> thunderstorm?"
>>> >
>>> > BTW, what did they call that stuff they served?  Was it Lynchburg
>>> Lemonade?  It tasted wonderful and went down so smooth!
>>> >
>>> > Ron
>>> >
>>> > On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:48 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > At least that part you remember
>>> > >
>>> > > -----Original Message-----
>>> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
>>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org
>>> >
>>> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<
>>> http://us.mc1247.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>]
>>> On Behalf Of Ronald Van
>>> > > Putte
>>> > > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2013 4:47 PM
>>> > > To: General pattern discussion
>>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> > >
>>> > > The bus ride back from the Jack Daniel's distillery was memorable!
>>> > >
>>> > > Ron
>>> > >
>>> > > On Feb 25, 2013, at 4:12 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> Scott,  I think Ron is correct on this one (biting my tongue as I
>>> voice
>>> > > that!)   Back then the NSRCA had no input what so ever.  Obviously
>>> enough
>>> > > was wrong with the way the AMA ran the event to create a complete
>>> boycott of
>>> > > the nationals in lieu of the NPAC.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Peter, has the nats every
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