[NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates

Mon Feb 25 12:47:44 AKST 2013

One could argue that the Nats should move around as it used to, Muncie is
hardly a vacation destination for the rest of the family which makes it
hard to ditch the family for a week+ in order to drive there and back to
attend!

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com>wrote:

> AMA absolutely refused to allow us any say in how the Nats were run.  They
> did a terrible job, because they were not experienced in R/C aerobatic
> competition.
>
> From a practical sense, now NSRCA runs the Nats.  We pick the event
> director.  Our event director implements a plan which was approved by the
> NSRCA Board.  The ED "works" for AMA, but from an NSRCA plan.
>
> Does NSRCA want even more control over the Nats?  Sure, but AMA owns the
> facility we compete on.
>
> If things ever go back in the direction of what we had before the N-PACs,
> we can have another N-PAC.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:33 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
>
> With all due respect to a very nice guy and a guy very involved with what
> goes on, I do not necessarily agree with your reason being over.  The NSRCA
> does not have much say on how it is run at all.  I will admit that they, at
> the very least, listen to our concerns now but the AMA runs the show.
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> We had N-PAC because AMA refused to permit NSRCA to have any say on how
>> the Nats were run.  That reason is over.  Now we have to compete for Nats
>> time with other SIGs.  In my opinion, the best way to do that is to
>> increase the number of Nats competitors in R/C Aerobatics.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
>>
>> We also used to have NPAC.  Now, we have to do what we can within the
>> framework of the AMA and their time restraints.  It is very unfortunate.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Charlie Rock <charlierock at me.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And that is very very sad to hear!!! Charlie
>>>
>>> "When people are afraid of a government that is -  Tyranny; And a
>>> government that is afraid of the people that is - Liberty."
>>>  Thomas Jefferson
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 3:12 PM, Archie Stafford <astafford at md.metrocast.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I completely agree Ron but those days are gone. The AMA is no longer
>>> focused on competition like it used to be
>>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S™ III, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputter at gmail.com>
>>> Date:
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>>
>>>
>>> I know that "suck" and "blow" are opposites, but that situation both "sucks"
>>> and "blows".  We used to have a designated "checkin/practice" day *and*a "rain" day.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2013, at 2:42 PM, Archie Stafford wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> The AMA has shortened the total NATS period this year, so you read that
>>> correct. Fortunately, our actual flying days were not changed.  Soaring
>>> went from 13 days to 6 days this year. In previous years, it was never
>>> truly our day, but it worked out that way as a day of setup for the
>>> workers.  We have never had a true practice day, but since the sites were
>>> free, they were available.  Sites 1 and 4 may be available, but that
>>> remains to be seen.  Once Pylon is done then we will be able to use the
>>> sites.  Think of it as how the others sites have worked on Saturdays in
>>> previous years.
>>>
>>> Archie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *On Mon 02/25/13 3:31 PM , mike mueller mups1953 at yahoo.com sent:
>>> *
>>>
>>>   I have a question too.
>>>  On the AMA site they show RC Pylon still being there on the Sunday the
>>> 21st. If that's the case will it stop us from practicing on that day?
>>> Thanks, Mike
>>>
>>> --- On *Mon, 2/25/13, Bob Kane *wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Bob Kane **
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" **
>>> Date: Monday, February 25, 2013, 2:23 PM
>>>
>>>   I sent a message on facebook, but here is my quesiton again via
>>> "real" email . . .  .
>>>
>>>  Am I set to work site 1 again this year?  I am not going to try and
>>> compete and work as I did last year, it did not work out very well.
>>>
>>>  Thanks.
>>>
>>> Bob Kane
>>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>>   ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Archie Stafford **
>>> *To:* General pattern discussion **
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, September 15, 2012 11:03 AM
>>> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] 2013 NATS dates
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Just settled dates here at the NATS planning meeting. The official dates
>>> are now set and I want to get it out early.
>>>
>>> July 21-25.
>>> Check-In is July 21.
>>> Intermediate & Advanced flying July 22-24
>>> Masters and FAI Prelims July 22-24
>>> Masters & FAI finals July 25
>>>
>>> Fees are the same as last year.
>>> Early entry deadline:  June 24
>>> Late deadline: July 8
>>>
>>> Fees will once again double after June 24. Refunds can be issued up to
>>> 24 hours prior to start, minus the AMA part,  so if you register early and
>>> have to change, you can get your NSRCA fees back.
>>>
>>> Will update with more information later, but wanted to get the dates out
>>> for planning purposes.
>>>
>>> Arch
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