[NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea

[Richard Lewis]

I guess everyone has forgotten that the advancement rules were relegated to a mere suggestion in the last rules cycle and as such, pattern no longer has an advancement system.. Lol...

Richard
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On Aug 19, 2013, at 6:12 PM, "Dave Lockhart" <DaveL322 at comcast.net> wrote:

> "While I agree that in most instances peer pressure alone is sufficient to
> convince a sandbagger (or potential sandbagger) to move up, having a rule on
> the books makes the situation 100% impartial and impersonal, and to some
> extent provides the "teeth" for the peer pressure."
> 
> Dave L
> 
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 7:07 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea
> 
> I'll turn the question around on you Dave, without providing any answers
> however.
> What purpose is served by the current points/advancement system?
> Dave B
> 
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Lockhart
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:26 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea
> 
> I have to ask the question....what harm is the advancement system causing?
> If someone actually reads the rulebook in detail to the extent they realize
> they may "point out" and be required (by the rules) to move up, would they
> not also realize the mechanism available to stay in their current class?  Is
> sending an email to AMA too cumbersome for those intent on precisely
> following the rules?  Has anyone actually ever achieved enough points to be
> forced into the next class without having the requisite skills AND been
> challenged by peers to move up (not that I know of)?  Has anyone ever been
> denied a request to move down in class (not that I know of)?  Has anyone
> ever achieved advancement points (knowingly or unknowingly) and not moved up
> because they were either not dominating the class or did not have the
> comfort level for the next class (I know several instances of this)?
> 
> While I agree that in most instances peer pressure alone is sufficient to
> convince a sandbagger (or potential sandbagger) to move up, having a rule on
> the books makes the situation 100% impartial and impersonal, and to some
> extent provides the "teeth" for the peer pressure.
> 
> I think there is merit in the idea of being able to "try out" a higher
> class.  Allow 1 instance per year without penalty or permanent commitment to
> the higher class.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dave
> 
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:25 PM
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> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea
> 
> Strongly agree.
> 
> Sent from my average intelligence  phone
> 
> 
> On Aug 19, 2013, at 9:07 PM, "Ryan Smith"
> <smaragdz at comcast.net<mailto:smaragdz at comcast.net>> wrote:
> 
> Agreed. Peer pressure at contests I think is enough to take care of someone
> that is sandbagging.
> 
> From:
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> ts.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> Dave Burton
> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:46 PM
> To: 'mike mueller'; 'General pattern discussion'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea
> 
> I thought you can do this already.  IMO we should eliminate the whole
> points/advancement system and let all flyers fly the class they feel most
> comfortable with.
> Dave
> 
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> mike mueller
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> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea
> 
> At the Peoria contest this weekend we had the pleasure of having John Gayer
> from New Mexico attend and fly with us.
> We got into a discussion about ideas to grow the sport.
> One I brought up and it's nothing new is a one time only Amnesty period.
> It would allow any flier who has been a consistent low placer in their
> class the ability to drop down at the end of a season.
> It seems clear to me that this really needs to happen and the residual
> benefit from such a program could very well help to get some guys back into
> the sport.
> What would it take to get such a program instituted?
> What are the barriers that would stop this from being put into the rules?
> Is there a potential downside to this that would make it worse than what we
> have now?
> 
> Mike Mueller
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