[NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea

[Dave Burton]

I'll turn the question around on you Dave, without providing any answers
however.
What purpose is served by the current points/advancement system?
Dave B

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Lockhart
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 5:26 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea

I have to ask the question....what harm is the advancement system causing?
If someone actually reads the rulebook in detail to the extent they realize
they may "point out" and be required (by the rules) to move up, would they
not also realize the mechanism available to stay in their current class?  Is
sending an email to AMA too cumbersome for those intent on precisely
following the rules?  Has anyone actually ever achieved enough points to be
forced into the next class without having the requisite skills AND been
challenged by peers to move up (not that I know of)?  Has anyone ever been
denied a request to move down in class (not that I know of)?  Has anyone
ever achieved advancement points (knowingly or unknowingly) and not moved up
because they were either not dominating the class or did not have the
comfort level for the next class (I know several instances of this)?

While I agree that in most instances peer pressure alone is sufficient to
convince a sandbagger (or potential sandbagger) to move up, having a rule on
the books makes the situation 100% impartial and impersonal, and to some
extent provides the "teeth" for the peer pressure.

I think there is merit in the idea of being able to "try out" a higher
class.  Allow 1 instance per year without penalty or permanent commitment to
the higher class.

Regards,

Dave

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 3:25 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea

Strongly agree.

Sent from my average intelligence  phone


On Aug 19, 2013, at 9:07 PM, "Ryan Smith"
<smaragdz at comcast.net<mailto:smaragdz at comcast.net>> wrote:

Agreed. Peer pressure at contests I think is enough to take care of someone
that is sandbagging.

From:
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ts.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
Dave Burton
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:46 PM
To: 'mike mueller'; 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea

I thought you can do this already.  IMO we should eliminate the whole
points/advancement system and let all flyers fly the class they feel most
comfortable with.
Dave

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mike mueller
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2013 1:16 PM
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Amnesty idea

At the Peoria contest this weekend we had the pleasure of having John Gayer
from New Mexico attend and fly with us.
 We got into a discussion about ideas to grow the sport.
 One I brought up and it's nothing new is a one time only Amnesty period.
 It would allow any flier who has been a consistent low placer in their
class the ability to drop down at the end of a season.
 It seems clear to me that this really needs to happen and the residual
benefit from such a program could very well help to get some guys back into
the sport.
 What would it take to get such a program instituted?
 What are the barriers that would stop this from being put into the rules?
 Is there a potential downside to this that would make it worse than what we
have now?

Mike Mueller
Customer Services

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