[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA-discussion Digest, Vol 89, Issue 15

Fri Apr 19 12:19:06 AKDT 2013

Questions:

1. Is it the same once up in the air regardless of throttle setting?  In
other words, does it do the same thing at idle as it does with power?
2. Have you checked your programmable mixing to make sure there isn't
anything on that shouldn't be on?  If it is on, could there be a wrong
channel selected?

If it flew well before (and this is verified), you need to look at what has
changed.  Radio, motor, etc.

Scott

On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Kc2pk at aol.com <kc2pk at aol.com> wrote:

> The plane takes off climbing and rolling left. I can barely be held with
> stick control, but the deflection requ irked is too much for just trim. I
> have checked the wing and stab incidences which are close to zero-zero with
> a Robert incidence meter. Balance is close to the wing tube after 2.5 oz
> lead attached to the rear of the balsa firewall. The previous owners said
> that it flew well with a yS 1.60dz, and I am using a 1.40 L. The small
> difference just can't be the cause. I could understand the pitch problem
> with a bad CG, but not the rolling.  I have ordered a new incidence meter
> from central hobbies on the theory that mine Is off, but I really doubt
> this to to be the problem. Meanwhile I have been flying a Venus2 with an OS
> 1.20 Ax as well as a curare with a TT .61. I mention this because that are
> two very different planes and the Hitec aurora 9 transmitter is working
> flawlessly. The servos are hitec digital 5625's and I see no problem with
> them on the ground. I wouldn't bo
>  thering everyone with this if it were not, really frustrating. I am
> really asking if anyone  has had a similar problem with this specific
> airframe. It may be a stab in the dark. Fred
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Apr 19, 2013, at 4:00 PM, nsrca-discussion-request at lists.nsrca.orgwrote:
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> >   1. Genesis (Fred Jacobs)
> >   2. Re: Genesis (Randy Forbus)
> >   3. Re: Genesis (Randy Forbus)
> >   4. Re: Genesis (ehaury)
> >   5. Re: Genesis (Vicente Planes)
> >   6. D4 Judging Seminar Update (Ron Hansen)
> >   7. D4 Contest Calendar (Peter G. Van Heusden)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
> > From: Fred Jacobs <kc2pk at icloud.com>
> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> >    <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> > Message-ID: <FA4C8E31-4786-4B0A-A326-93D8ECF406BD at icloud.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> >
> > I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by aYS
> 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead attached
> to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is almost
> unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the sky and
> have been unable to trim it reliably at all.  I have some questions. Where
> is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have been
> flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem before.
> I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class flyer of
> great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to land the
> plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any help would
> be appreciated.  Fred
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:54:48 +0000
> > From: Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com>
> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> >    <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> > Message-ID: <COL125-W1896FB62EC2ECB8128F53EA2CF0 at phx.gbl>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > what do you mean by unflyable, most modern 2 meter pattern plane balance
> just at the front edge of the wing tube, or the middle of the wing tube,
> what does it do to make it unflyable
> >
> >> From: kc2pk at icloud.com
> >> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
> >> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> >>
> >>
> >> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all.  I have some
> questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this
> problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had
> this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a
> masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I
> have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of
> miraculous. Any help would be appreciated.  Fred
> >> Sent from my iPad
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:57:40 +0000
> > From: Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com>
> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> >    <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> > Message-ID: <COL125-W18D95C57FE5138A83E8726A2CF0 at phx.gbl>
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> > Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5
> positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.
> >
> >> From: kc2pk at icloud.com
> >> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
> >> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> >>
> >>
> >> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all.  I have some
> questions. Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this
> problem. I have been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had
> this problem before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a
> masters class flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I
> have able to land the plane without damage has been nothing short of
> miraculous. Any help would be appreciated.  Fred
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >> _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:08:58 -0500
> > From: ehaury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> > Message-ID: <AA02D9AE-28D1-4E0A-8752-C3B011C270F3 at comcast.net>
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> > Sure you don't have + expo w a Futaba TX?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5
> positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.
> >>
> >>> From: kc2pk at icloud.com
> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
> >>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions.
> Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have
> been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem
> before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class
> flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to
> land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any
> help would be appreciated. Fred
> >>> Sent from my iPad
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 18:29:58 -0500
> > From: Vicente Planes <vicenterc at comcast.net>
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Cc: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> > Message-ID: <C4F17E25-3ACC-47E0-BD05-559E969C2B49 at comcast.net>
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> >
> > Combined with really bad servos.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Apr 18, 2013, at 6:08 PM, ehaury <ejhaury at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Sure you don't have + expo w a Futaba TX?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> On Apr 18, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Randy Forbus <rforbus at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Besides the cg I would be looking at the wing and stab incidences, .5
> positive on the wing is a good place to start and 0 on the stab.
> >>>
> >>>> From: kc2pk at icloud.com
> >>>> Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 16:55:16 -0400
> >>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Genesis
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have recently aquired a Chip Hype Genesis. The plane is powered by
> aYS 1.40L and balances just ahead of the wing tube with 2.5 oz. lead
> attached to the rear of the firewall. The problem is that the plane is
> almost unflyable. I have flown it four times, found it to be all over the
> sky and have been unable to trim it reliably at all. I have some questions.
> Where is the CG recommended to be? Has anyone else had this problem. I have
> been flying for twenty years in pattern and have never had this problem
> before. I have discussed the problem with my flying buddy, a masters class
> flyer of great skill, but without resolution. The fact that I have able to
> land the plane without damage has been nothing short of miraculous. Any
> help would be appreciated. Fred
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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> > Message: 6
> > Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2013 22:08:55 -0400
> > From: "Ron Hansen" <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > To: "NSCRA Discussion List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4 Judging Seminar Update
> > Message-ID: <000901ce3ca2$d8746bc0$895d4340$@wowway.com>
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> > I posted directions to the D4 Judging Seminar on RCUniverse.
> >
> >
> >
> > The classroom stuff will be at the Grove City Church of the Nazarene.
> >
> >
> >
> > Contact me if you have any questions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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> > Message: 7
> > Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2013 10:33:03 -0400
> > From: "Peter G. Van Heusden" <petervh at malibutech.com>
> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> >    <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Cc: "Peter G. Van Heusden" <petervh at malibutech.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4 Contest Calendar
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> >
> > Tom Brett Memorial Pattern Contest
> > September 7-8, 2013
> >
> > Last chance before district championship to get points.
> >
> > Hope to see everybody here.
> > Flyer attached.
> >
> > Let's get flying
> >
> > Peter G. VanHeusden
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