[NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions

Fri Nov 23 08:13:26 AKST 2012

Well, we are all learning together. I moved the cg forward even more to
Y=1.5 and like it. The snaps are definitely faster and cleaner for sure.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 1:22 PM, kingconsulting <k.
ingconsulting at mac.com<ker.ingconsulting at mac.com>
> wrote:

> Thanks for that. At first I thought it was a little hot but got used to it
> pretty quick.
>
> Quite a few options on their sim.
>
> Robert King
>
> On Nov 22, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Robert,
>
> Go to the "Physics" box and click "Custom" and then "Unlimited Fuel".
>
> You may find the Evo to be a little too hot (fast). If you do, change the
> number of "batteries in parallel" to a lower number.
>
> By adding battery and fuselage weight, the down lines are a lot better. I
> learned something in the process as well.
>
> Pat
>
> Dist. 8
>
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 5:45 AM, kingconsulting <kingconsulting at mac.com>wrote:
>
>> Thanks Pat. This is a great starting point to customize to my flying
>> style. Speed is much more realistic. I thought the original was a little
>> too slow but wasn't sure.
>>
>>  I'm only getting about a minute of flight time before the battery runs
>> out. I know I edited the fuel amount on gas planes before but don't see how
>> it can be done on electric?
>>
>> Again thanks for posting that.
>>
>> Robert King
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK guys. Here you go with the Spark modifications. Keep in mind, this is
>> for RF 6.0 (6.5). If you run a lower version, you will most likely have to
>> adjust the rates and expo only.
>>
>> Go to: Aircraft
>> Click on: Edit Krill Spark Evo
>> Click on Airframe
>> Click: Fuselage
>> Make "Weight"=20oz
>> Just above "Fuselage", click "Main Battery".
>> When you click on the battery type a small box will pop up on the right
>> side
>> Click on the little box and find "Lipoly 4400 65C" and click on it and
>> click OK
>> Now next to "No of cells in parallel"= 1
>> Next to "No of cells in series"= 10
>> Click "fuselage" again
>> Click: Engine
>> Propeller type should be APC Electric
>> Change prop to 21 diameter and pitch to 13
>>
>> To change CG:
>> Click on Airframe
>> Y= .5
>> To move CG forward, increase number, to move back, reduce number
>>
>> To keep the chin cowl and canopy from flying off if you hit the wrong
>> switch:
>>
>> Go to "Electronics
>> Click both "Chin hatch servo" and Canopy detach servo"
>> "Input for this servo should be" <no servo>
>>
>> Now you need to set throws and expo.
>>
>> Click "Software Radio"
>> Click each of the next channels
>>
>> Output channel 1(aileron)
>> Low rate %=55
>> Expo During Low Rates %= 20
>> Expo During High Rates %= 38
>>
>> Output channel 2(elevator)
>> Low rate %=70
>> Expo During Low Rates %= 28
>> Expo During High Rates %= 40
>>
>> Output channel 4(Rudder)
>> Low rate %= 100
>> Expo During Low Rates %= 80
>> Expo During High Rates %= 40
>>
>> Output channel 5(aileron)
>> Low rate %=55
>> Expo During Low Rates %= 20
>> Expo During High Rates %= 38
>>
>> This will get you in the ballpark. It's your plane so adjust it to your
>> liking.
>>
>> If you don't own Real Flight. Do yourself a favor and put it on your
>> Christmas list.
>>
>> Anything else, let me know.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Vince,
>>>
>>> I haven't spent time looking at how to add weight. My guess is you would
>>> have to do it with components. As I mentioned, I changed the battery in the
>>> Spark. One thing you could do is change to a much heavier battery.
>>>
>>> I don't know if a field with the box defined is available. but it's
>>> possible to edit an existing field to get a workaround. What you can do is
>>> go to "Edit field" and add something like a tree at the edges of the box. I
>>> think I tried to do this a year or so ago, but for some reason, didn't
>>> follow through.
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <
>>> vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Pat.  Check below in *bold.
>>>>
>>>> *
>>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> *From: *"Patrick Harris" <harris7148 at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>> *To: *"General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:25:20 PM
>>>>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions
>>>>
>>>> A few weeks ago I upgraded from 5.0 to 6.0 and found I needed to make
>>>> some adjustments. First off, I have flown every pattern plane in the “swap
>>>> files” and can say (in my opinion), the Spark Evo is by far the best, but
>>>> it didn’t do it right out of the box, so to say. Again, in my opinion, the
>>>> Osiris in the swap files is way off. You can tweak on it a bunch and it
>>>> still isn’t right.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, for you guys that are having problems loading the Spark. When you
>>>> go to the “Swap files” you will find the “Black” Evo. This is the one you
>>>> want to download first. All of the others are just “color variations” and
>>>> will not work without the Black loaded first.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Question….If your buddy handed you his transmitter and said go fly my
>>>> plane, you most likely would want to make adjustments to get it to your
>>>> liking. The same thing is true with a simulator plane. When I was running
>>>> 5.0 I found I needed to make just a few tweaks to the Evo, but needed some
>>>> pretty radical adjustments in 6.0. The Swap files now have an Evo that is
>>>> supposed to be set up for 6.0, but I didn’t find it to be the case. Also, a
>>>> “contra prop” version is available now. In my case, I find the original
>>>> Black to be the best with adjustments.* I agree.  *
>>>>
>>>> OK, “down line “speed. How would you change it on a real plane? If it’s
>>>> electric we can change the braking, but that is not available in RF. The
>>>> other method is to put on a smaller or larger diameter prop, which we can
>>>> do in RF. The down line speed of the RF Evo is a bit too slow, but I
>>>> haven’t messed with it, but it’s certainly possible to do so.  *I
>>>> think the wing loading is too low and we need to add weight.  I could not
>>>> find a place to do this.  Do you know where? *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not at my home computer now, so I can’t give you guys my tweaks,
>>>> but I can latter today if anyone wants them. I even had to go as far as
>>>> changing the CG and batteries to get the feel I wanted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So is it worth the fifty buck upgrade to 6.0? In my opinion without a
>>>> doubt, but I don’t find the planes fly any better. What you are getting is
>>>> two new great features. The first one is “trails”. You can now add a trail
>>>> to your flight path that stays on the screen. You only thought you were
>>>> flying in strait lines until you add trails.  *Great information.  I
>>>> didn't know this.  I use to have the pattern land in the RF2 that was
>>>> great.  I wonder if someone already created a runway with the actual box
>>>> reference out there.  *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The second is “rewind”. If you hold the reset button on the controller
>>>> it will rewind the flight path. Just last night I used it a bunch. Fly a
>>>> maneuver just a bit off…just rewind and do it again, instead of having to
>>>> set up again for the maneuver. Gezzz, I sound like a RF salesman!*  I
>>>> already got it so you won't get any comision.  *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It’s a whole different subject, but the biggest question is “will a
>>>> simulator help my pattern flying”? Long story short, it all depends on what
>>>> you put into it and understand the limitations of a simulator. Personally,
>>>> I have found it to be invaluable. I have about twenty real flights on the
>>>> new Masters, but I would guess at least a hundred on the simulator. Winter
>>>> has set in in the Pacific Northwest, so it’s pretty much simulator time
>>>> until spring.  *Agree here too*.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> OK, a couple of things I do. I have not had good luck using “keep
>>>> ground in view”. I find the plane gets too small. I use “automatic zoom”
>>>> almost all the time. You will not have ground reference, but it least you
>>>> can see the plane. *I got same experience.  It is the only way to
>>>> practice pattern in RF6.  Probably because is design to do more 3D and
>>>> helis.* * Thanks, Vince *
>>>>
>>>> Pat
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> District 8
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM, kingconsulting <
>>>> kingconsulting at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah noticed that and found them. I think I need to adjust the throws
>>>>> a little or some settings for me. It seemed too twitchy on low rates and
>>>>> not as smooth. Possibly because I'm just not as experienced or used to that
>>>>> style. Also need to look at the expo settings.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert King
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Larry Diamond <webmaster at diamondrc.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   When I clicked on the link it didn’t show the versions of the
>>>>> Genesis. In the search box(lower left), type Genesis and it will pull them
>>>>> all up…****
>>>>>
>>>>>  *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry Diamond
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:16 AM
>>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions****
>>>>>  ** **
>>>>>  I will only say that this Genesis Download shows every mistake just
>>>>> like I do flying at the field.****
>>>>>   ****
>>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=search****
>>>>>   ****
>>>>>  Here are a few versions of the Genesis to fit your need.****
>>>>>   ****
>>>>>  Hope this helps...****
>>>>>   ****
>>>>>  Happy Turkey Day all !!!!!!!****
>>>>>   ****
>>>>>  Larry Diamond****
>>>>>
>>>>>  *From:* kingconsulting <kingconsulting at mac.com>
>>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:00 AM
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions****
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Vicente,****
>>>>>
>>>>>  I'm new to pattern and just joined NSRCA so I'm probably not a good
>>>>> one to help you here. Real Flight has an update to version 6.5. Not sure
>>>>> that will help and actually the planes I fly I didn't notice too much of a
>>>>> difference.****
>>>>>
>>>>>  Most of the pattern planes on there don't seem right to me but then
>>>>> I don't really know what I'm doing yet. The one I do fly (Osiris) isn't a
>>>>> 2m one but is the one I practice with. It does seem pretty close to the
>>>>> actual one that I have. You can get it here:****
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=14724****
>>>>>
>>>>>  There is also another that I wanted to try of the spark but I can't
>>>>> get it to work on mine. It is here:****
>>>>>
>>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=17584****
>>>>>
>>>>>  That one is supposed to be a nice one. Would be curious if you can
>>>>> get it to work. Or if there are any other ones that work good I would be
>>>>> interested also. You might be gas so they may not help at all :)****
>>>>>
>>>>>  Thanks,****
>>>>>
>>>>>  Robert King****
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:40 AM, "Vicente \"Vince\" Bortone" <
>>>>> vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:****
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ****
>>>>>   Hello all,****
>>>>>   ****
>>>>>  It is that time of the year.  I got RF version 6.  I really don't
>>>>> like the down-line speed,  it is not not realistic.  I have been using the
>>>>> RF version 2 for many years and I was able to get fairly realistic with
>>>>> that version.  Just checking if someone in the list is using this program
>>>>> and been able to get more realistic pattern planes.   I got another
>>>>> question.  The RF v2 does not want to work when using windows 7 or up.  Has
>>>>> someone been able to run it?  If yes, please let me know how to fix it.
>>>>> ****
>>>>>   ****
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and happy Thanksgiving to all,****
>>>>>  Vicente "Vince" Bortone****
>>>>>
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