[NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions

Thu Nov 22 07:58:50 AKST 2012

Robert,

Go to the "Physics" box and click "Custom" and then "Unlimited Fuel".

You may find the Evo to be a little too hot (fast). If you do, change the
number of "batteries in parallel" to a lower number.

By adding battery and fuselage weight, the down lines are a lot better. I
learned something in the process as well.

Pat

Dist. 8

On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 5:45 AM, kingconsulting <kingconsulting at mac.com>wrote:

> Thanks Pat. This is a great starting point to customize to my flying
> style. Speed is much more realistic. I thought the original was a little
> too slow but wasn't sure.
>
> I'm only getting about a minute of flight time before the battery runs
> out. I know I edited the fuel amount on gas planes before but don't see how
> it can be done on electric?
>
> Again thanks for posting that.
>
> Robert King
>
> On Nov 21, 2012, at 8:58 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK guys. Here you go with the Spark modifications. Keep in mind, this is
> for RF 6.0 (6.5). If you run a lower version, you will most likely have to
> adjust the rates and expo only.
>
> Go to: Aircraft
> Click on: Edit Krill Spark Evo
> Click on Airframe
> Click: Fuselage
> Make "Weight"=20oz
> Just above "Fuselage", click "Main Battery".
> When you click on the battery type a small box will pop up on the right
> side
> Click on the little box and find "Lipoly 4400 65C" and click on it and
> click OK
> Now next to "No of cells in parallel"= 1
> Next to "No of cells in series"= 10
> Click "fuselage" again
> Click: Engine
> Propeller type should be APC Electric
> Change prop to 21 diameter and pitch to 13
>
> To change CG:
> Click on Airframe
> Y= .5
> To move CG forward, increase number, to move back, reduce number
>
> To keep the chin cowl and canopy from flying off if you hit the wrong
> switch:
>
> Go to "Electronics
> Click both "Chin hatch servo" and Canopy detach servo"
> "Input for this servo should be" <no servo>
>
> Now you need to set throws and expo.
>
> Click "Software Radio"
> Click each of the next channels
>
> Output channel 1(aileron)
> Low rate %=55
> Expo During Low Rates %= 20
> Expo During High Rates %= 38
>
> Output channel 2(elevator)
> Low rate %=70
> Expo During Low Rates %= 28
> Expo During High Rates %= 40
>
> Output channel 4(Rudder)
> Low rate %= 100
> Expo During Low Rates %= 80
> Expo During High Rates %= 40
>
> Output channel 5(aileron)
> Low rate %=55
> Expo During Low Rates %= 20
> Expo During High Rates %= 38
>
> This will get you in the ballpark. It's your plane so adjust it to your
> liking.
>
> If you don't own Real Flight. Do yourself a favor and put it on your
> Christmas list.
>
> Anything else, let me know.
>
> Pat
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Patrick Harris <harris7148 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Vince,
>>
>> I haven't spent time looking at how to add weight. My guess is you would
>> have to do it with components. As I mentioned, I changed the battery in the
>> Spark. One thing you could do is change to a much heavier battery.
>>
>> I don't know if a field with the box defined is available. but it's
>> possible to edit an existing field to get a workaround. What you can do is
>> go to "Edit field" and add something like a tree at the edges of the box. I
>> think I tried to do this a year or so ago, but for some reason, didn't
>> follow through.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:45 PM, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <
>> vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Pat.  Check below in *bold.
>>>
>>> *
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Patrick Harris" <harris7148 at gmail.com>
>>>
>>> *To: *"General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, November 21, 2012 12:25:20 PM
>>>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions
>>>
>>> A few weeks ago I upgraded from 5.0 to 6.0 and found I needed to make
>>> some adjustments. First off, I have flown every pattern plane in the “swap
>>> files” and can say (in my opinion), the Spark Evo is by far the best, but
>>> it didn’t do it right out of the box, so to say. Again, in my opinion, the
>>> Osiris in the swap files is way off. You can tweak on it a bunch and it
>>> still isn’t right.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, for you guys that are having problems loading the Spark. When you go
>>> to the “Swap files” you will find the “Black” Evo. This is the one you want
>>> to download first. All of the others are just “color variations” and will
>>> not work without the Black loaded first.
>>>
>>>
>>> Question….If your buddy handed you his transmitter and said go fly my
>>> plane, you most likely would want to make adjustments to get it to your
>>> liking. The same thing is true with a simulator plane. When I was running
>>> 5.0 I found I needed to make just a few tweaks to the Evo, but needed some
>>> pretty radical adjustments in 6.0. The Swap files now have an Evo that is
>>> supposed to be set up for 6.0, but I didn’t find it to be the case. Also, a
>>> “contra prop” version is available now. In my case, I find the original
>>> Black to be the best with adjustments.* I agree.  *
>>>
>>> OK, “down line “speed. How would you change it on a real plane? If it’s
>>> electric we can change the braking, but that is not available in RF. The
>>> other method is to put on a smaller or larger diameter prop, which we can
>>> do in RF. The down line speed of the RF Evo is a bit too slow, but I
>>> haven’t messed with it, but it’s certainly possible to do so.  *I think
>>> the wing loading is too low and we need to add weight.  I could not find a
>>> place to do this.  Do you know where? *
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not at my home computer now, so I can’t give you guys my tweaks,
>>> but I can latter today if anyone wants them. I even had to go as far as
>>> changing the CG and batteries to get the feel I wanted.
>>>
>>>
>>> So is it worth the fifty buck upgrade to 6.0? In my opinion without a
>>> doubt, but I don’t find the planes fly any better. What you are getting is
>>> two new great features. The first one is “trails”. You can now add a trail
>>> to your flight path that stays on the screen. You only thought you were
>>> flying in strait lines until you add trails.  *Great information.  I
>>> didn't know this.  I use to have the pattern land in the RF2 that was
>>> great.  I wonder if someone already created a runway with the actual box
>>> reference out there.  *
>>>
>>>
>>> The second is “rewind”. If you hold the reset button on the controller
>>> it will rewind the flight path. Just last night I used it a bunch. Fly a
>>> maneuver just a bit off…just rewind and do it again, instead of having to
>>> set up again for the maneuver. Gezzz, I sound like a RF salesman!*  I
>>> already got it so you won't get any comision.  *
>>>
>>>
>>> It’s a whole different subject, but the biggest question is “will a
>>> simulator help my pattern flying”? Long story short, it all depends on what
>>> you put into it and understand the limitations of a simulator. Personally,
>>> I have found it to be invaluable. I have about twenty real flights on the
>>> new Masters, but I would guess at least a hundred on the simulator. Winter
>>> has set in in the Pacific Northwest, so it’s pretty much simulator time
>>> until spring.  *Agree here too*.
>>>
>>>
>>> OK, a couple of things I do. I have not had good luck using “keep ground
>>> in view”. I find the plane gets too small. I use “automatic zoom” almost
>>> all the time. You will not have ground reference, but it least you can see
>>> the plane. *I got same experience.  It is the only way to practice
>>> pattern in RF6.  Probably because is design to do more 3D and helis.* *Thanks, Vince
>>> *
>>>
>>> Pat
>>>
>>>
>>> District 8
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:15 AM, kingconsulting <kingconsulting at mac.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yeah noticed that and found them. I think I need to adjust the throws a
>>>> little or some settings for me. It seemed too twitchy on low rates and not
>>>> as smooth. Possibly because I'm just not as experienced or used to that
>>>> style. Also need to look at the expo settings.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>>
>>>> Robert King
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  On Nov 21, 2012, at 9:40 AM, Larry Diamond <webmaster at diamondrc.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   When I clicked on the link it didn’t show the versions of the
>>>> Genesis. In the search box(lower left), type Genesis and it will pull them
>>>> all up…****
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Larry Diamond
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 10:16 AM
>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions****
>>>>  ** **
>>>>  I will only say that this Genesis Download shows every mistake just
>>>> like I do flying at the field.****
>>>>   ****
>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=search****
>>>>   ****
>>>>  Here are a few versions of the Genesis to fit your need.****
>>>>   ****
>>>>  Hope this helps...****
>>>>   ****
>>>>  Happy Turkey Day all !!!!!!!****
>>>>   ****
>>>>  Larry Diamond****
>>>>
>>>>  *From:* kingconsulting <kingconsulting at mac.com>
>>>> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:00 AM
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Real Flight simulator questions****
>>>>
>>>>  Hi Vicente,****
>>>>
>>>>  I'm new to pattern and just joined NSRCA so I'm probably not a good
>>>> one to help you here. Real Flight has an update to version 6.5. Not sure
>>>> that will help and actually the planes I fly I didn't notice too much of a
>>>> difference.****
>>>>
>>>>  Most of the pattern planes on there don't seem right to me but then I
>>>> don't really know what I'm doing yet. The one I do fly (Osiris) isn't a 2m
>>>> one but is the one I practice with. It does seem pretty close to the actual
>>>> one that I have. You can get it here:****
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=14724****
>>>>
>>>>  There is also another that I wanted to try of the spark but I can't
>>>> get it to work on mine. It is here:****
>>>>
>>>>  http://www.knifeedge.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=17584****
>>>>
>>>>  That one is supposed to be a nice one. Would be curious if you can
>>>> get it to work. Or if there are any other ones that work good I would be
>>>> interested also. You might be gas so they may not help at all :)****
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks,****
>>>>
>>>>  Robert King****
>>>>
>>>>  On Nov 21, 2012, at 6:40 AM, "Vicente \"Vince\" Bortone" <
>>>> vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:****
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ****
>>>>   Hello all,****
>>>>   ****
>>>>  It is that time of the year.  I got RF version 6.  I really don't
>>>> like the down-line speed,  it is not not realistic.  I have been using the
>>>> RF version 2 for many years and I was able to get fairly realistic with
>>>> that version.  Just checking if someone in the list is using this program
>>>> and been able to get more realistic pattern planes.   I got another
>>>> question.  The RF v2 does not want to work when using windows 7 or up.  Has
>>>> someone been able to run it?  If yes, please let me know how to fix it.
>>>> ****
>>>>   ****
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and happy Thanksgiving to all,****
>>>>  Vicente "Vince" Bortone****
>>>>
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