[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

Tue Mar 13 17:03:08 AKDT 2012

Ever heard of SPA Michael?

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Ramsey
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 6:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

Has there ever been any discussion about developing an AMA Pattern class
that uses aircraft approximately half that of the current 2-meter limits? A
more affordable way to fly, and be competitive would make contest attendance
personally more attractive. I'm thinking that the 3DHS Osiris would be the
benchmark.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts,

Michael...

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 4:41 PM, <BUDDYonRC at aol.com> wrote:

Mike, Bob and others

Having served on the rules change survey committee back in 2005 this all
sounds like the e-mail comments some 105 of them that I saved that are a
near copy of the current reasons for and against the weight change issue of
the current post's.

 If you want to look at change and effect to pattern that i think has more
to do with attracting new members look at the pattern difficulty.

Back in 1996 everything was simple and beginners were shaking in their boots
to do an outside loop the most difficult maneuver in FAI was 

a snap on a 45 down line. I think some possible new bees go to the field
watch a while, try a while and leave. True those who have the funds, ability
and competitive drive will stay.  By the way I was in favor of the weight
change back then but like Bob my dog is in the cage and hasn't hunted in a
while and when it does only looks for crippled birds.  

Buddy B.

In a message dated 3/12/2012 7:33:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
drmikedds at sbcglobal.net writes:

well spoken, Bob

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:15 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

That may be so, but I don't see how this particular proposal would have that
effect. Is anyone serious about leaving the hobby because of the weight rule
proposal? Is anyone who was contemplating pattern competition going to be
turned off by it?

Keep in mind there will always be chronic complainers. How many times did I
hear that "four-strokes are going to ruin the sport" or "turnaround ..." or
"noise rules ...", etc etc. Some did leave the hobby, but there will always
be turnover. Some of them will feel the need to give an excuse whether it
really is the reason. I will say that some of the largest local contests I
ever attended were AFTER all of those game-ruining rules that I mentioned. 

The whole hobby of model airplanes has changed significantly in the last
10-15 years, with many more venues to divide one's time in the hobby -
pattern is an overall smaller piece of the pie as a result. I personally
don't think that anything about the rules can be blamed for any downturn in
pattern contest attendance. Nor do I think that tweaking the rules we have
will magically breath new life into it. 

Bob R.

--- On Sun, 3/11/12, Del <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

From: Del <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, March 11, 2012, 2:56 PM

Bob.. 

Poorly disguised rule changes have driven more from the sport than any words
or hashing about the sport. 

    Del 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Bob Richards
<http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bob@toprudder.com>  

To: General pattern discussion
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Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:22 PM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

Guys,

For the life of me, I can't see why everyone is getting bent out of shape
over the proposed weight limt rule for the lower classes. It opens up the
possibilities for someone wanting to get started in pattern and competing in
the lower classes, IMHO. If someone in the upper classes has a plane that is
at the weight limit, but is unable to repair the plane without it going over
the limit, then it becomes a perfect hand-me-down for someone getting
started. 

The fact is that the proposed rule does not exclude any planes that are
already legal. The guys that build light know they should have a better
flying plane than one that is heavier. The only reason I can think of that
people with light planes can get upset with this rule is that someone with a
heavier plane might beat them. 

OTOH, how often are models weighed at local contests? I never saw it done in
the years I flew, but that was before the electrics came on the scene. Tell
me, does any CD weigh planes at a local event now? If not, then I am really
confused about weight limit discussions where someone says it is ruining
things to raise the weight limit, when no one is checking it at local
contests anyway. Why all the fuss (one way or the other) about a rule that
no one enforces except at the Nats?

I really don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm just confused about all the
strongly worded comments going back and forth. This, IMHO, does more to turn
people off from pattern than any rule change proposal.

Bob R.

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