[NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

Mon Mar 12 13:41:41 AKDT 2012

Mike, Bob and others
Having served on the rules change survey committee back in 2005 this all  
sounds like the e-mail comments some 105 of them that I saved that are a  
near copy of the current reasons for and against the weight change issue of the 
 current post's.
 If you want to look at change and effect to pattern that i think has  more 
to do with attracting new members look at the pattern difficulty.
Back in 1996 everything was simple and beginners were shaking in their  
boots to do an outside loop the most difficult maneuver in FAI was 
a snap on a 45 down line. I think some possible new bees go to the  field 
watch a while, try a while and leave. True those who have the funds,  ability 
and competitive drive will stay.  By the way I was in favor of  the weight 
change back then but like Bob my dog is in the cage and hasn't hunted  in a 
while and when it does only looks for crippled birds.  
Buddy B.

In a message dated 3/12/2012 7:33:39 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
drmikedds at sbcglobal.net writes:

well  spoken, Bob 

From:  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org  
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob  Richards
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 4:15 AM
To: General  pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules  Proposals

That may be so, but I don't see how this particular  proposal would have 
that effect. Is anyone serious about leaving the  hobby because of the weight 
rule proposal? Is anyone who was  contemplating pattern competition going to 
be turned off by  it?

Keep in mind there will always be chronic  complainers. How many times did 
I hear that "four-strokes are going to  ruin the sport" or "turnaround ..." 
or "noise rules ...", etc etc. Some  did leave the hobby, but there will 
always be turnover. Some of them  will feel the need to give an excuse whether 
it really is the reason. I  will say that some of the largest local contests 
I ever attended  were AFTER all of those game-ruining rules that I 
mentioned.  

The whole hobby of model airplanes has changed  significantly in the last 
10-15 years, with many more  venues to divide one's time in the hobby - 
pattern is an overall  smaller piece of the pie as a result. I personally don't 
think that  anything about the rules can be blamed for any downturn in 
pattern  contest attendance. Nor do I think that tweaking the rules we have  will 
magically breath new life into it. 

Bob R.

--- On Sun, 3/11/12, Del  <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com> wrote:

From: Del  <drykert2 at rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]  Rules Proposals
To: "General pattern discussion"  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, March 11,  2012, 2:56 PM 

Bob..  

Poorly  disguised rule changes have driven more from the sport than any 
words  or hashing about the sport. 

Del 

-----  Original Message ----- 

From: _Bob Richards_ 
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To: _General pattern discussion_ 
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Sent: Sunday,  March 11, 2012 1:22 PM

Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Rules Proposals

Guys,

For the life of me, I can't see why  everyone is getting bent out of shape 
over the proposed  weight limt rule for the lower classes. It opens up the  
possibilities for someone wanting to get started in pattern  and competing 
in the lower classes, IMHO. If someone in  the upper classes has a plane that 
is at the weight limit, but  is unable to repair the plane without it going 
over the limit,  then it becomes a perfect hand-me-down for someone getting 
 started. 

The fact is that the proposed  rule does not exclude any planes that are 
already legal.  The guys that build light know they should have a better  
flying plane than one that is heavier. The only reason I can  think of that 
people with light planes can get upset with this  rule is that someone with a 
heavier plane might beat them.  

OTOH, how often are models weighed at local  contests? I never saw it done 
in the years I flew, but that  was before the electrics came on the scene. 
Tell me, does any  CD weigh planes at a local event now? If not, then I am 
really  confused about weight limit discussions where someone  says it is 
ruining things to raise the weight limit, when no  one is checking it at local 
contests anyway. Why all the fuss  (one way or the other) about a rule that 
no one enforces  except at the Nats?

I really don't have a dog in this hunt. I'm  just confused about all the 
strongly worded comments going  back and forth. This, IMHO, does more to turn 
people off from  pattern than any rule change proposal.

Bob R.

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