[NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence

Mon Jan 30 13:56:03 AKST 2012

If we were to adopt the FAI schedules, we would have minimal input on the schedules and would be at the mercy of the FAI schedule writers.  I don't like not being able to say, "That's bogus!" with no effect.  The USA's single vote against the sea of European votes would be like a drop of water changing the direction of a river.  

Let's not go down this road.

Ron Van Putte

On Jan 30, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Vicente Vince Bortone wrote:

> Derek,
>  
> If we adopt FAI - A schedule AMA Advance will fly the A schedule, Masters should fly the P schedule and FAI should fly both P and F that we are doing now in some contest.  I still see some contest some pilots flying P at the same time some others are flying F which is unacceptable.  Yes, it is matter of opinion.  I see many advantages of doing this.  From international point of view means that we are more polite following what the international pattern community is doing.  I will expect to see more pilots participating in some continental international contests too.  We will open the chance to do some here in the US for sure.   This is a kind of similar to the situation we have with standard system vs. metric system.    
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> From: "Derek Koopowitz" <derekkoopowitz at gmail.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 3:44:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence
> 
> Vicente,
> 
> I still don't see the advantages over our current set of schedules.  If any young pilot follows the natural progression of moving through our AMA classes, they will be at the same level (if not at a higher level) than the pilot that has only flown the A schedule.  I do not think this will inhibit any of our young pilots from trying out for the junior classification at future F3A world championships but will instead prepare them better for F3A.
> 
> I also don't think that our judging is going to improve at all by implementing the A schedule - we are very much aligned with F3A in our judging criteria except in several areas such as deduction levels (1/2 point versus full point), radii judging and spin entries.
> 
> These are all my opinions of course - others may disagree.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> -Derek
> 
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:16 PM, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <vicenterc at comcast.net> wrote:
> Hi Derek:
>  
> OK, here are some advantages I could think of.  I am sure that there are more:
> 
> 1. Young pilots will see more light at the end of tunnel.  I am sure that they want to reach FAI-F3A levels and learn to fly the most difficult schedules as they make progress.  Clearly these sequences provide more natural transition and help the new blood to get ready for the WC.  I think if we adopt this schedules there will be less chance that we don't have junior pilots in the WC.  I believe this is the most important single reason.
> 2. Judging becomes more accurate and easier to digest for all.  The backbones of sequences are very similar.  Therefore, we really don't need to memorize the whole schedule and we can concentrate in the most important details when judging.   
> 3. If we adopt the schedule means that we more open in accepting what other countries are doing in pattern.  I don't see why this is bad for us.  It is clear that we have been copying here and there the old P schedules maneuvers when designing the new AMA Masters.  Actually, I think is good for us.  It is clear that we have the largest group of pattern pilots than any country in the world.  If we adopt these schedules they will be more willing to do more pattern stuff around the pattern stuff we are doing.   In a nutshell becomes more USA schedules since we will have a lot more pilots flying these international schedules. 
>  
> I really don't see any disadvantages. 
>  
> Thanks,
>  
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Derek Koopowitz &lt;derekkoopowitz at gmail.com&gt;
> To: 'General pattern discussion' &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
> Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:50:11 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence
> What advantages does it have over using our own home grown sequences? It is
> easier than Masters and does NOT allow a way for us to have sequences that
> build on each other as you move from class to class.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente
> "Vince" Bortone
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 5:07 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence
> Why not to adopt it? This have many advantages. Probably Don wanted to
> infer that. 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Derek Koopowitz &lt;derekkoopowitz at gmail.com&gt;
> To: 'General pattern discussion' &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
> Sent: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 07:06:41 -0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence Don, The
> intent of the A schedule is for those countries that do not have a
> formalized class structure much like we have in the USA. so, no, it would
> not be used at any contests in the US.
> -Derek
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
> tocdon at netscape.net
> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 6:20 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FAI A-12 local advanced sequence Sorry if this
> has already been addresssed by the NSRCA. If not, per FAI Sporting code:
> "For 2012, (F3A) Schedule A-12 is recommended to be flown in local
> competitions so as to offer advanced pilots a suitable way to achieve skills
> to step up to P-13 Schedules."
> Are there any local U.S. contests planning to run the A-12 class? Would this
> be part of a new AMA class or a separate FAI class? Or is this going to be
> ignored since AMA already has Advanced (and Masters). 
> Regards,
> Don
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