[NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver

Phil S. chuenkan at comcast.net
Thu Jan 26 06:27:42 AKST 2012


I thought Moonshine WAS a fossil fuel...Sent from Oak Ridge, Tennessee, 
the home of radioactive fossil fuel.  Talk about  Glow Power!!!

On 1/25/2012 8:57 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:
> Is Moonshine made from fossil fuels?
>
> Keith Hoard
> Collierville, TN
> khoard at gmail.com <mailto:khoard at gmail.com>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:00 PM, trexlesh at msn.com 
> <mailto:trexlesh at msn.com> <trexlesh at msn.com <mailto:trexlesh at msn.com>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Ya fossil burner! :-)
>
>     R
>
>     Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone
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>     ----- Reply message -----
>     From: "astropuppy" <astropuppy at gmail.com
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>     To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>     Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead for receiver
>     Date: Wed, Jan 25, 2012 12:47 pm
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>
>     You know you want to go E Jim. As they say in Oregon: "Just do it".
>
>     Mike
>
>     On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 9:47 AM, J N Hiller
>     <jnhiller at earthlink.net <mailto:jnhiller at earthlink.net>> wrote:
>
>         Having judged these sequences I absolutely agree that they
>         have become more demanding. Do you think you could fly the
>         current schedules with 2006 battery technology?
>
>         Not in a hurry to go E-Power but interested.
>
>         Jim
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>         [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]*On Behalf
>         Of *Del
>         *Sent:* Wednesday, January 25, 2012 6:55 AM
>         *To:* General pattern discussion
>         *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead
>         for receiver
>
>         **Dave.. Love how you win your discussions.. lol .. ;+} **
>
>         ** **
>
>         **    Del**
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>         ----- Original Message -----
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>         * *
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>         *From:*
>         Dave Lockhart <mailto:DaveL322 at comcast.net>
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>         *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>         *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2012 7:07 PM
>
>         *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead
>         for receiver
>
>         2006
>
>         9411sa x2 for ailerons
>
>         8417sa x1 for elevator
>
>         8411sa x1 for rudder
>
>         2009
>
>         Changed to 3517 x2 for elevator (in the same plane)....no
>         change in mah per flight
>
>         2010
>
>         Changed to 8611A on rudder (in the same plane)....no change in
>         mah per flight
>
>         Flight times are about 45 seconds shorter now.
>
>         I still have the Prestige I flew in 2006, so no change to
>         control surface size or throw.
>
>         I'm pretty sure it is the changes in maneuvers flown and
>         higher average watts used by the motor in the course of the
>         flight. J
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Dave
>
>         *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>         [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf
>         Of *Peter Vogel
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2012 6:59 PM
>         *To:* General pattern discussion
>         *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead
>         for receiver
>
>         Digital servos *definitely* draw more power than non-digitals,
>         but they are much more precise and hold their position better,
>         it's worth the higher draw for pattern.
>
>         Peter+
>
>         On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Doug Cronkhite
>         <seefo at san.rr.com <mailto:seefo at san.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>         I suspect the servos also draw more power than they did years ago.
>
>         Doug
>
>         Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>         On Jan 24, 2012, at 3:40 PM, "Dave Lockhart"
>         <DaveL322 at comcast.net <mailto:DaveL322 at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>         When I first started flying electric pattern.....mah per
>         flight was noticeably lower than now, going from 40-60 per
>         flight to 60-80 per flight.....flying whatever was the current
>         P/F sequences.  I suspect the increase is due to higher
>         average flight speeds (much more watts at the motor now) and
>         more demanding maneuvers (snaps and KE).
>
>         Regards,
>
>         Dave
>
>         *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>         [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] *On Behalf
>         Of *Keith Hoard
>         *Sent:* Tuesday, January 24, 2012 11:02 AM
>         *To:* General pattern discussion
>         *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead
>         for receiver
>
>         Anthony,
>
>            On a typical flight, I'm guessing the radio only uses
>         around 100-150Mah of power, while the motor is using 4000Mah,
>         so that's about 4% more draw on those two cells.  In practice,
>         I haven't been able to see any difference in the radio cells
>         when I hook them up to my charger at the end of a flight. 
>         Sometimes cells #1 & #2 are the high cells after a flight, so
>         I think the power draw of the radio is negligible to our motor
>         packs.
>
>         The problem with two regulators plugged into the same 10S (or
>         5S) pack is that you are creating a dead short between the
>         cells thru the ground wires (typically a straight wire thru
>         the regulator).
>
>         Say you plug Regulator #1 into cells #1&2, and Regulator #2
>         into cells #6&7.  The regulator's */ground /*wires now have 5
>         cells of voltage potential (5 X 4.2V = 21Volts) between them
>         since they are plugged into cells # 1 and #6.  When those two
>         ground wires are then plugged into your receiver either thru a
>         switch or direct connection the magic smoke will escape and
>         your retailer will rejoice.
>
>         Also, if you have both of your regulators plugged into your
>         motor pack and the packs eject like Goose in Top Gun, you've
>         lost both of your redundant power sources.  However, if you
>         use a tiny 2S LiPo that is physically separated and secured
>         inside your plane, you have both electrical and physical
>         redundancy.
>
>         Hmmm, just thought of something . . . maybe we should tie down
>         the receiver so the main regulator can't take the receiver out
>         with it. . . so many contingencies, so little weight . . .
>
>         Keith Hoard
>         Collierville, TN
>         khoard at gmail.com <mailto:khoard at gmail.com>
>
>         On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:15 AM, Anthony Romano
>         <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com <mailto:anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Seems like a great idea but I have two questions. Do the packs
>         come down out of balance since two cells are serving extra
>         load? Is there a problem with parallel operation of two
>         regulators?
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         Anthony
>
>         ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>         From: joddino at socal.rr.com <mailto:joddino at socal.rr.com>
>         Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2012 15:25:00 -0800
>         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>         Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Main battery redundant lead
>         for receiver
>
>         I've been using this setup for sometime and it is working
>         great.  I have my two cell LiPo charged to 7.5 volts and it is
>         connected to a 6.0 volt regulator into the receiver.  The
>         cable connected to the balance connector on the "bottom" 5S is
>         connected to a 6.3 volt regulator so it supplies all the
>         current to the system and the 2S pack never needs charging..
>          I'm using an 800 mAh pack but it could be even smaller.
>
>         Jim O
>
>         On Jan 23, 2012, at 2:09 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
>
>         Guys,
>            Chris Moon just e-mailed me about some leads that were done
>         at the factory.  These leads run off your balance leads to a
>         voltage regulator and allow your main battery pack to be
>         utilized as a redundant receiver battery.  It is NOT meant to
>         be a primary but it will save 20+ grams if you're running 2 rx
>         batteries.  You still have to run the 2nd regulator for true
>         redundancy but you eliminate the 2nd battery.  These leads are
>         factory made and eliminate the need to make them yourself with
>         the concern about plugging in to the wrong cell.  I know in my
>         article, I was pretty much against doing this as a backup but,
>         with Chris having this made at the factory, he has all but
>         eliminated making a mistake by tying to the wrong cell.  I
>         have the link that I'll e-mail you off-list or you can just go
>         to his website.  I don't want to break the NSRCA list rules by
>         advertising for him even though he advertises with the NSRCA. 
>         The leads are only $3.99 each and are found under the
>         Connectors/Adapters listing.
>
>         Thank,
>         Scott
>
>         -- 
>         *Scott A. McHarg*
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