[NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA candidate rules proposal survey is available

Sat Feb 11 11:44:15 AKST 2012

As I asked in the previous post, does the current board feel that these 
proposals are valid and good for the pattern community.  This is what is states 
in the survey introduction and is this a fact?

The survey could have also had a question asking if the membership or the 
community feels that any changes are needed at this point and time.

This survey, with its introduction statement, seems to show a bit of 
predispostion.  

Dan

________________________________
From: Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 11, 2012 2:29:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA candidate rules proposal survey is 
available

Gentlemen,
   As you can see from the forums, everyone of us has our own opinion.  The BoD 
asked us to make "proposals".  These are not "the rules" nor are they set in 
stone.  We came up with said proposals based on input from individuals who took 
the time to email, phone and post their requests.  The survey is doing exactly 
what it was meant to do, get everyone's opinion based on what we laid out 
there.  If you don't like it, that's fine.  This is simply a starting point.  
The results of the survey will tell us whether we are on, off or close to what 
our community wants.  Once the survey finishes, the results will be taken back 
and, if needed, proposals amended.  I'd suggest that the results will indicate 
what percentile are in favor of vs. those that are against.  I don't think any 
of you would expect everyone that flies pattern to get in a room and try to 
formulate proposals based on every single opinion in that room.  That would be a 
nightmare.
   The Board of Directors recognize that change is a possibility but not 
necessarily warranted in all cases.  Again, that would be the purpose of the 
focus group to try to get something done and out there for the community to 
weigh in on.  At that point, the amended proposals are then taken to the BoD for 
endorsement and then to the AMA Rules Committee which, in reality, is the group 
that must find out if these proposals are realistic and what the community 
wants.  AMA owns precision aerobatics, not the NSRCA and the NSRCA does not make 
the rules.  The 5500g rule came from other development classes that  are around 
the world i.e. France and South Africa who have implemented said changes to 
their development classes.  MAYBE the number is off to an extent.  MAYBE we 
don't need that kind of increase.  I guess that's what the survey will tell us.  
I'd suggest telling all that you know to get out there and take the survey if 
you feel strongly about something.  This is how we begin the process.

Scott

On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Vicente "Vince" Bortone <vicenterc at comcast.net> 
wrote:

So is this a second survey?  I remember one few months ago and didn't have those 
proposals.  I am confused now.
>
>Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Dan Curtis &lt;warrior523 at att.net&gt;
>To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
>Sent: Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:17:53 -0000 (UTC)
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA candidate rules proposal survey is 
>available
>I was re-reading the post about the survey and am really having a problem with
>the 4th paragraph.  It says:
>The NSRCA BoD encourages your support in responding to the survey as the 
changes
>are believed to be appropriate for the continued growth and sustainment of AMA
>pattern. 
> 
>Is this actually saying that our board of directors is for the changes stated 
in
>the survey.  This is really hard to believe and even harder to fathom.
> 
>Where did these "candidate rule proposals" come from?  Why the 5500 gram weight
>rule?  Where did that one come from?  This whole thing seems strange and my
>goodness how many times have some of these isssues been hashed before?
> 
>Dan Curtis
>________________________________
>From: Scott McHarg <scmcharg at gmail.com>
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Fri, February 10, 2012 12:24:44 PM
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA candidate rules proposal survey is available
>The NSRCA Board of Directors (BoD), in consideration of NSRCA bylaws indicating
>that the NSRCA should take responsibility for making a consensus statement to
>the AMA Rules Committee on rules pertaining to Radio Control Aerobatics, has
>convened a Rules Proposal Committee.  The purpose of this committee is to
>prepare candidate rule proposals for endorsement by the NSRCA BoD.  The
>committee is chaired by Scott McHarg and its members include Jon Carter, John
>Gayer, Michael McEvilley, and Rick Sweeney.
> 
>The NSRCA BoD requested the rules committee to craft proposals with a focus on
>safety and contestant participation concerns.  The rules committee was further
>requested to craft proposals in consideration of the varying and oftentimes
>conflicting opinions of the individuals that comprise the AMA pattern 
community,
>while recognizing that change is warranted. In response to NSRCA BoD direction,
>the rules committee has developed four (4) candidate proposals for endorsement
>by the NSRCA BoD.
> 
>In the spirit reflected by the direction of the NSRCA BoD, this survey is
>offered to provide the AMA pattern community the opportunity to review,
>consider, and provide feedback by supporting or not supporting each of the
>candidate proposals to the NSRCA BoD.  This survey is not a vote; it is only a
>means for the NSRCA BoD to gather information to be used in making their final
>determination of those proposals to be endorsed by the NSRCA.
> 
>The NSRCA BoD encourages your support in responding to the survey as the 
changes
>are believed to be appropriate for the continued growth and sustainment of AMA
>pattern. 
> 
>Finally, it should be understood that individual AMA members are free to submit
>commentary on these proposals to the AMA Contest Board, and are also able to
>submit individual proposals on the same topics as those endorsed by the NSRCA
>BoD.
> This survey will be available until midnight March 1, 2012 and may be taken
>only once.  The survey is available at www.nsrca.us and you must be registered
>with the website and logged in but being a current member is NOT required. 
>Thank you for your understanding and participation in this rules proposal
>survey.
>--
>Scott A. McHarg
>
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Scott A. McHarg
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