[NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 combo "backf...

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Wed Aug 22 05:20:35 AKDT 2012


Hey Dave.
I have a couple of questions for you, based on our dinner chat in  
Westmorland; please give me a call at your convenience.
Thanks
Frank Iacobellis
914 815 0605
 
 
In a message dated 8/22/2012 8:49:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
DaveL322 at comcast.net writes:

 
+1  on the Hakko.  I use a 3/32” chisel tip for almost all of my soldering  
from 22 AWG on servo boards to 10 AWG battery leads.  The original tip on  
my iron is 5 years old now and still going strong.  I do coat the tip  with 
fresh solder before I turn the iron off after a soldering  session. 
Regards, 
Dave 
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith  Hoard
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 9:13 AM
To: General  pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL  comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 
combo "backfiring" 
A few years ago I bought a  Hakko 936 soldering station.  It is "only" 65 
watts, but it can quickly  and easily solder 10 gauge wire all day long.  
Warm up time is about 1  minute from switching on.

The key to soldering big stuff is the "heat  recovery" ability of the 
soldering iron.  The Hakko has a ceramic element  in the tip of the soldering 
iron that acts as a heat governor while soldering  to always maintain the 
preset temp on the dial.  As soon as you put the  tip on anything that draws heat 
away (wire, wet sponge) the power LED on the  front starts blinking showing 
you it is sending more juice to the tip.   Equally important is that the 
tip cools down when you're not using it so the  silver coating on the tip 
doesn't oxidize.  I still have the original tip  on my Hakko.

I have a 100W soldering gun that can't even begin to keep  up with the 
Hakko soldering station, so more power isn't always better.

Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
_khoard at gmail.com_ (mailto:khoard at gmail.com) 




On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Michael Cohen <_precisionaero at hotmail.com_ 
(mailto:precisionaero at hotmail.com) > wrote: 
 
 
 
Well, I have turned off the logger, but tomorrow night,  when I get back 
from San Diego, the ESC will get some new bullet connectors,  just to be sure. 
 With a contest coming up in St. Clairsville, I wouldn't  what to have to 
break out "old reliable"..... the YS powered  Integral!

I do use a technique like Verne stated in another  post.  About the only 
thing I have had trouble with is, on the 4mm  bullets, once the pre-tinned 
wire gets pushed down in the connector with  melted solder, there isn't any 
room left for adding more.  I do hold the  iron right at the small hole in the 
bullet, just to be sure all solder  draws there while it is still hot.  We 
will see what happens  Thursday when I do a run up.
 

 
Regards,
 
Mike C 
 
  
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From: _DaveL322 at comcast.net_ (mailto:DaveL322 at comcast.net) 
To: _nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) 
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2012  07:28:30 -0400 
 
 

Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 
combo  "backfiring" 
 
When  the data logging buffer on a CC ICE ESC is full, it is not uncommon 
to have a  small “knocking” sound with outrunners and large direct drive 
inrunners (ie,  Pletty Advance).  This is well documented on some of the 
forums.   The sound is generally described as a light tapping, knocking, rattle,  
etc…..and generally does not occur across the full throttle range.    I’ve 
never heard it described as loud or violent.  The solution is to  turn off 
the data logging when it is not specifically  needed. 
I  have never encountered the knocking on a geared inrunner; full buffer or 
 not. 
Regards, 
Dave  Lockhart 
Team  Castle Creations 
 
 
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(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org) ] On Behalf Of  Dave Harmon
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 11:53 PM
To:  'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker  C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 
combo  "backfiring"

I was  out flying this afternoon till dark and Ken Kaut showed  up. 
I asked  him about my knocking sound and he said right away that the 
logging is the  cause of the knock. 
It  sounds exactly like thumping the fuse with your finger. 
Ken said  that when the buffer is full…..it doan make no mo noise……or just 
shut off the  logging. 
At least  it ain’t ready to catch fire or come aloose or anythin…. 
And for  that I’m grateful…I don’t need any more problems. 
 
Dave  Harmon 
NSRCA  586 
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net 
Sperry,  Ok.
 
 
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(mailto:[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org])  On  Behalf Of 
Anthony Abdullah
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2012 6:47  PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 
combo  "backfiring"

 
 
I had the exact same sound with mine, horrible sound like throwing a gear  
at full throttle. I was actually surprised when there wasn't any damage. 
Mark  loaned me an ESC and I went home to start testing. Plugged his in and it  
worked perfectly. Mine had gotten to the point of doing it almost every 
time I  throttled up. I went to take his ESC out and the bullet from the motor 
came  right off with it. Hmmmm this migh have had something to do with it! I 
 resoldered all of the bullets and have not had the problem  since.
 

 
I suck at soldering so I wasn't terribly surprised. I did notice before it  
got worse that the motor would hesitate a little bit, make a little 
gringing  noise, or turn backward about a 32nd of a turn when I first hit the idle  
switch on my transmitter to start the prop spinning. A couple years ago at 
the  Columbus, OH pattern contest my Neu motor wouldn't start at all without 
making  a horrible grinding noise. Sent it back to me and they changed some 
things but  the problem remained. I finally changed out the ESC and needed 
to change the  motor bullets to the right type and mysteriously the problem 
went away. Scott  Pavlock is still running that motor and ESC with zero  
issues!
 
 
  
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From: Michael Cohen  <_precisionaero at hotmail.com_ 
(mailto:precisionaero at hotmail.com) >
To: NSRCA <_nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) >
Sent: Mon,  August 20, 2012 4:36:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker  C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 
combo "backfiring" 
 
Well, I needed an excuse to swap out the current connectors on the ESC  for 
some deeper ones....  I just need to wait until I am back in  town.

Mike C

  
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From: _vogel.peter at gmail.com_ (mailto:vogel.peter at gmail.com) 
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:15:32  -0700
To: _nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org) 
Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 
combo  "backfiring" 
 
One of the common causes of that is a bad solder joint between the ESC and  
the motor where some arcing is happening in the joint, frequently not seen 
on  the ground unless it's gotten really bad because you don't have the G  
variations on the mechanical connection of the bad  joint. 
 

 
Peter+

Sent from my iPhone4S
 

On Aug 19, 2012, at 7:52 PM, "Verne  Koester" <_verne at twmi.rr.com_ 
(mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com) > wrote:

 
 
I was  there when it happened and it definitely wasn’t a normal sound. I 
thought  something had broken inside the fuse. Mike landed immediately and we 
checked  everything and all seemed okay including a run-up on the ground so 
he went  up again and the sound happened again but later in the flight (the 
first  time it happened immediately after he broke ground). I’m very 
familiar with  the plane since it used to be mine. I had the same motor but a 
different  controller. Another pilot there said it sounded like an “electric 
backfire”.  I’ve never heard one before, but it sounded pretty  scary. 
Verne  Koester 
 
 
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(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org)  [_mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org) ] On  Behalf Of Dave Harmon
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:54  PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 
combo  "backfiring"

Hi  Mike…. 
I have  noticed a sound like a ‘knock’ on the side of the fuselage on 3 
different  airplanes, Plett 30-10 and Advance and three ESC…a CC 80HV ICE and 
2 CC 80HV  ICE V2. 
I’ve  looked at logs and don’t recognize any problems. 
I have  always wondered what the sound was…at first I thought it might have 
caused  by the cables to the rudder and elevator slapping the side if the 
fuse but  they are fastened down tightly. 
Then…I  thought it might be caused by the wheels rattling…. 
It  seems to happen most of the time on an up line. 
It  doesn’t seem to be a problem…yet…but I would like to know what is 
causing  it. 
 
Dave  Harmon 
NSRCA  586 
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net 
Sperry,  Ok.
 
 
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(mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org)  _[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]_ 
(mailto:[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org])  On  Behalf Of 
Michael Cohen
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:48  PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL  comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 combo 
"backfiring"

 
 
I had a strange problem today with  a Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 
2 combo.  Sounded like the  motor/ESC was backfiring, so I stopped flying.  
I had 56 flights before  today, and this is the first time I noticed the 
backfiring.  I was at a  contest last weekend, so if it had occurred there, I 
think people, including  me, would have noticed. 
Well, upon taking it home and  hooking it up to the computer, I did find 
that all my settings were still  where they were supposed to be, so there was 
no unexplained change  there.  I downloaded the data logger, but I really 
didn’t check it too  closely.  I then went online to look for backfiring 
problems and the  only thing I found was a sample rate of 10hz (mine was at 1hz) 
could cause a  backfire.  I also noted a comment that if you run out of data 
logging  space, that could cause a “ticking”.  I did not have a ticking, 
but I  decided to clear all stored logging information and set the sampling 
rate to  "disabled".  I ran the motor/ESC for about a minute on the ground 
with  no evidence of a backfire.  Could the data logging/storage space been  
it?  Has anyone else had a similar experience?  FYI, here is my  program: 
Brake Strength: 30%   
Brake Delay: No delay   
Brake Ramp: Medium   
Cutoff Voltage:  3.2 
Current Limiting: Normal   
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff   
Motor Start Power: low  (39) 
Motor Timing: Custom (3)   
PWM Rate: 8khz   
Regards, 
Mike Cohen 






 
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