[NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 combo "backfiring"

[Michael Cohen]

Well, I needed an excuse to swap out the current connectors on the ESC for some deeper ones....  I just need to wait until I am back in town.

Mike C
 



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From: vogel.peter at gmail.com
Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2012 20:15:32 -0700
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 combo "backfiring"


One of the common causes of that is a bad solder joint between the ESC and the motor where some arcing is happening in the joint, frequently not seen on the ground unless it's gotten really bad because you don't have the G variations on the mechanical connection of the bad joint. 


Peter+

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On Aug 19, 2012, at 7:52 PM, "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:








I was there when it happened and it definitely wasn’t a normal sound. I thought something had broken inside the fuse. Mike landed immediately and we checked everything and all seemed okay including a run-up on the ground so he went up again and the sound happened again but later in the flight (the first time it happened immediately after he broke ground). I’m very familiar with the plane since it used to be mine. I had the same motor but a different controller. Another pilot there said it sounded like an “electric backfire”. I’ve never heard one before, but it sounded pretty scary.
 
Verne Koester
 


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Harmon
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 5:54 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 combo "backfiring"
 
Hi Mike….
I have noticed a sound like a ‘knock’ on the side of the fuselage on 3 different airplanes, Plett 30-10 and Advance and three ESC…a CC 80HV ICE and 2 CC 80HV ICE V2.
I’ve looked at logs and don’t recognize any problems.
I have always wondered what the sound was…at first I thought it might have caused by the cables to the rudder and elevator slapping the side if the fuse but they are fastened down tightly.
Then…I thought it might be caused by the wheels rattling….
It seems to happen most of the time on an up line.
It doesn’t seem to be a problem…yet…but I would like to know what is causing it.
 

Dave Harmon
NSRCA 586
K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net
Sperry, Ok.
 


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen
Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:48 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 combo "backfiring"
 


I had a strange problem today with a Hacker C50-14XL comp/Castle 80HV Ice 2 combo.  Sounded like the motor/ESC was backfiring, so I stopped flying.  I had 56 flights before today, and this is the first time I noticed the backfiring.  I was at a contest last weekend, so if it had occurred there, I think people, including me, would have noticed.
Well, upon taking it home and hooking it up to the computer, I did find that all my settings were still where they were supposed to be, so there was no unexplained change there.  I downloaded the data logger, but I really didn’t check it too closely.  I then went online to look for backfiring problems and the only thing I found was a sample rate of 10hz (mine was at 1hz) could cause a backfire.  I also noted a comment that if you run out of data logging space, that could cause a “ticking”.  I did not have a ticking, but I decided to clear all stored logging information and set the sampling rate to "disabled".  I ran the motor/ESC for about a minute on the ground with no evidence of a backfire.  Could the data logging/storage space been it?  Has anyone else had a similar experience?  FYI, here is my program:
 
Brake Strength: 30% 
Brake Delay: No delay 
Brake Ramp: Medium 
Cutoff Voltage: 3.2
Current Limiting: Normal 
Cutoff Type: Soft Cutoff 
Motor Start Power: low (39)
Motor Timing: Custom (3) 
PWM Rate: 8khz 
 
Regards,
Mike Cohen
 
 

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