[NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals

Tue Apr 24 05:00:40 AKDT 2012

Yup, you gotta store those in separate airtight containers.

Another question for Scott McHarg . . .

If I install both an Arming Plug and a Disarming Plug, are they wired in
series or parallel?

Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
khoard at gmail.com

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 7:33 AM, Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> wrote:

> I bought a box of dihedral recently. I had a box of anhedral left over
> from the 70s (used for stabs back then) and I made the mistake of storing
> them next to each other. Apparently they cancelled each other out and all I
> have left now is some crumbled up cardboard.
>
> Bob R.
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 4/23/12, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rules change proposals
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, April 23, 2012, 6:06 PM
>
>
>  The reason I was asking is because I had bought a box of down thrust
> from Shalimar Hobbies a couple years ago and still have some left over.
>
> If it's now illegal, I need to return what's left for a partial refund.
>
> The box of right thrust is still shrink wrapped, but I can't find the
> receipt.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2012, at 16:44, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net<http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=vanputte@cox.net>>
> wrote:
>
>  I've just added an arming plug assembly to my Vanquish.  It has the
> added feature of having the ability to minimize the coriolis acceleration
> due to precession of the earth and it self adjusts for latitude.
>
> Ron
>
>  On Apr 23, 2012, at 4:33 PM, Scott McHarg wrote:
>
>  Only if you use a disarming plug and/or bore another hole in the side of
> your fuse.  I heard something along the lines of the "Hoarder Policy" being
> written as we speak but only after a survey has been presented.
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:30 PM, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com<http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=khoard@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
>  I just added some down thrust to my plane, is that illegal?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 23, 2012, at 15:54, James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com<http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com>>
> wrote:
>
>  Scott, I don't want to beat this to death but you must be very careful.
>  I could interpret this to disallow Contra Drive prop set ups that
> automatically cancel the effects of spiral slipstream, torque, gyroscopic
> precession and P-Factor.  What about adding aerodynamic appendages that
> improve stability and damping?  It is not clear why the aerodynamicist
> should should be given an advantage over the power management guy or the
> electronics guy.  I'll never understand why the variable thrust alignment
> system was disallowed.
>
> I don't really care what is decided, but if the rule is not well defined
> it will cause turmoil and new guys thinking about getting into pattern
> won't like it.
>
> Jim
>
>  On Apr 23, 2012, at 10:05 AM, Scott McHarg wrote:
>
>  Good Afternoon,
>    First, let's agree that "Engine managment" was not a correct term that
> we derived from the "old days" and we will fix that (per John Fuqua)
> assuming it passes the initial vote.  Second, let's not lose sight that we
> are speaking about telemetry and we are speaking of automated functions
> here, not those that require direct and manual input.  The wording is such
> that engine management systems that COORDINATE (through telemetry and read:
> automatically adjust) power output (to maintain a speed or anything that
> may relate to) with model performance, position, or attitude.  Honestly,
> this is no different than a gyro correcting attitude and we certainly don't
> want to allow that.  We simply are trying to allow telemetry that is
> important for safety and continue to dis-allow anything that automates
> flying the aircraft.  In my very humble opinion and to answer your
> question; Yes, I think we do want to outlaw something that makes our models
> fly better IF it is automated and not pilot-induced.
>
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 11:10 AM, James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com<http://us.mc1616.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=joddino@socal.rr.com>
> > wrote:
>
>  What does it mean?  Electric motors change the power as a function of
> the load applied.  For a given throttle setting the motor will draw more
> current as the model is pulled vertical for instance.  Is the rule trying
> to prevent that or prevent an improvement in its ability to do that?  Is it
> trying to outlaw braking or variable pitch props?
>
> The question we should ask is; do we really want to outlaw anything that
> might make our models fly better?
>
>
>       9. Engine management systems that coordinate power output with
> model performance, position, or ****
>  attitude.”
>
>
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