[NSRCA-discussion] FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 andbeyond

Fri Sep 24 12:20:46 AKDT 2010

...I probably meet Dave's description of a Masters' pilot who chooses not to
compete in an International class.  There are many personal reason why this
is the case.  i.e. desire, age, dollars, time etc.

It's amazing to me the same issues are raised year-to-year about changing
the current establishment (AMA rules) to meet one's needs.   Instead of
trying to force someone like me to move-on to FAI why can't the pilots who
view someone like me as a potential sandbagger work a bit harder in their
respective class to become as competitive as they can.  I do not mean to
come across arrogant, just voicing my opinion regarding attitude's I've
witness from the pattern community.  

I recognize the level of time, money and commitment it takes to achieve
excellence.  That's why I enjoy the sport of pattern, it's the challenge of
being competitive within the stated rules.

~Glen Watson
AMA 136878
NSRCA 2293

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 11:32 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011
andbeyond

John,

I'm not quite sure how to respond as I think my commentary made perfect
sense.

I'll try it another way -

The US has a substantial number of pilots that do not aspire to
international competition.  Many Masters pilots have expressed the opinion
that if they were required to fly a more difficult schedule, or fly multiple
schedules, they would drop out of the event.  So why force them into a class
that contains elements they clearly don't want, and for which they have
virtually no input or control?  How does chasing people out of the event
benefit pattern in the US?

With respect to "ALL the lower classes and maneuvers are selected by someone
else(the sequence committee)"

I couldn't disagree more.  The Seq Com has always been comprised of pilots
from all classes, and the direction taken by the Seq Com has always been
based on survey results and feedback from the masses.  "Someone else" is us,
just like the judges are us.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:09 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and
beyond

That makes no sense. Every other country has resolved the issue of having
their own internal classes and then finally advancing their best pilots to
F3A. Just because the maneuvers are selected by an international committee
on which we are represented is not a reason to preclude F3A from an
advancement process. We only have Turnaround pattern in this country because
the FAI led the way and we decided to follow rather than go the way of the
dodo.
>From my point of view, ALL the lower classes and maneuvers are selected by
someone else(the sequence committee). For F3A that committe is
international. So what?

John Gayer
NSRCA 632

On 9/24/2010 8:36 AM, Dave wrote: 

I believe the practical perspective is that FAI-F3A is an AMA class, but it
does not run in accordance with AMA rules (except where FAI is silent), and
AMA has virtually no control over F3A.  Given AMA has no control over F3A,
that is a key point in not requiring advancement to F3A from Masters.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 8:18 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond

Sorry, FAI is an AMA class, 406,  it's only that the Sporting Code
supersedes, doesn't replace, the AMA rule book and the exemption from
advancement. >From the 2009-2010 rule book:

RADIO CONTROL PATTERN 

For events 401, 402, 403, 404, 406. 

7. Pattern event classes: The Pattern event shall

be divided into five (5) classes. The first four (4

shall (in order of increasing difficulty) be 

referred to as Sportsman, Intermediate, 

Advanced, and Masters. The fifth class shall be 

referred to as the FAI class. The Sportsman class

is supplemental (see Supplemental and 

Provisional Rules, page 2). Competitors must be

advised prior to the start of the contest of any 

planned deviations from standard AMA rules 

pertaining to the events they have entered. 

19. FAI Pattern Maneuvers: The FAI class 

shall fly according to the current FAI RC 

Aerobatics (F3A) rules. The noise limit shall be 

the current noise limit used in AMA competition 

for classes 401-404, except in the case of a USA 

Team Selection contest, where the noise limit 

shall be the current FAI noise rule. The builder-

of-the-model rule, if any, shall not be enforced. 

The AMA Competition Regulations will be 

applied when the FAI Sporting Code is silent on, 

or does not provide guidance concerning the 

conduct or rules of the FAI - F3A events. 

  8.2.5: There is no mandatory 

advancement into FAI from the Masters class. 

Contestants may enter their current AMA class 

or the FAI class at any contest but not both.

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Harmon
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:19 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond

Hi Vince..well..FAI/F3A is not an AMA class...Masters and below
ARE..so.FAI/F3A cannot be a destination class for an AMA event.

Dave Harmon

NSRCA 586

K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net

Sperry, Ok.

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente
"Vince" Bortone
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 9:24 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond

I think that making FAI-F3A destination class will be easier natural
solution.  How we are going to organize local contests having one additional
class?

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2010 7:12:00 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Proposed NSRCA sequences for 2011 and beyond

>> time because the new class would 

be populated from the other classes..like Masters and Intermediate.<<<

arrrrgghhh..I meant Advanced..another class between Advanced and Masters.

Sorry..

Dave Harmon

NSRCA 586

K6XYZ[at]sbcglobal[dot]net

Sperry, Ok.

nfo/nsrca-discussion

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