[NSRCA-discussion] Maintaining schedule/class continuity: Was:Acceptable use policy for the list...

Wed Oct 13 17:37:32 AKDT 2010

I think I stuck more than one nerve.....!

Jon Lowe

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From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
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Just to be clear…they suck to fly too.   At least with theFigure M it’s centered so both the pilot and the judge can see what’shappening.  On the turn-around’s it’s more of a crap shoot depending on thelighting and background as to whether or not you can really tell what the planeis doing.  Yeah, you can get away with some stuff, but more often you just endup in a bad position for the next maneuver.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of VerneKoester
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 8:26 PM
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Jon,
The FAI maneuvers that I REALLY don’t like are the ones in yaw.They look terrible and are virtually impossible to judge. I’m talking aboutmaneuvers like the half loop with two opposite full rolls integrated from F09which is only made uglier by the fact that it’s an end maneuver and the Halfoutside loop, with ½ integrated roll, also an end maneuver. They just look lousyto me.

Verne

From:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jon Lowe
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 3:52 PM
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The FAI sequence committee ought to let ours do their work. The F11 sequence is a disaster.  1 1/2 reverse cuban with a wholebunch of crap in it followed by an end box inverted half cuban eight = a mess. Also, a snap followed by a 4/8 opposite AND a snap with a 4 pt oppositein the same sequence.  What were they thinking?  No one could haveever actually flown that mess before putting it on paper.

Jon Lowe

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From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Wed, Oct 13, 2010 2:35 pm
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Verne:

I couldn't agree more.  In the length of time I've beenflying Pattern, I haven't seen a schedule of figures that was bad--some mayhave been better than others, (notice: operative word:  "MAY")but there hasn't been a lousy one that I've seen; this wasn't magic.  Ithink you're spot on for commending those people on the previouscomittee.  Thanks for doing so.

Bill Glaze

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From: Verne Koester 

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Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 3:13 PM

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Just so there’s no confusion, I’m complimenting and creditingthe PREVIOUS Sequence Committee that created the schedules we’ve been flyingfor the past few years. I’m on the current committee and hope that theschedules that will serve pattern in the next few years do so as well as theschedules we’ve been flying. Just my opinion, but I’ve watched the trends for acouple decades now and you can really harm the sport, particularly Sportsmanand Intermediate with schedules that are way out of whack with the skill set atthose levels. The increased activity level we’re seeing in and around D4 inSportsman through Advanced are directly related to the success of thoseschedules. I remember Troy Newman, Joe Lachowski, and possibly Dave Lockhartbeing on that committee as well as others and they’re to be commended forgetting us back on track.

Verne Koester

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On BehalfOf Atwood, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 11:44 AM
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Verne, I couldn’t agree more.  The schedule committee hasdone a fabulous job but I think we as a group have to stay very vigilant thatwe maintain a common “Gap” and progression between the classes.  That doesNOT mean we can’t or shouldn’t keep up with the times.   But thebalance is very important and I think we currently have that (if by luck ordesign I don’t know or care).   My son is going to try and jump fromSportsman to intermediate in the spring and it will be a HUGE one forhim.  BUT… we went out to fly the maneuvers last week in stages and whilehe can’t put together the whole sequence yet, I don’t think he scared himselfmaking the attempt.   A few of the maneuvers had some pucker factor…the double immelman was the first time he had ever pushed through an outsidehalf loop, but since you immediately  roll to an upright and comfortableorientation, he immediately relaxed and after 2 or 3 times I could tell itwon’t be a problem.

That’s how the transitions should be.  Exhilarating, butnot frightening.   

Again to the sequence committee..well done.

-M

Mark Atwood

Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President

5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 

Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:440.684.3102

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On BehalfOf Verne Koester
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 10:40 AM
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I’m confident that the schedules created by the previous SequenceCommittee has a lot to do with it. The trick now is to keep the classtransitions and difficulty levels the same as they are now. The quickest way tolose a new Sportsman pilot is to make Intermediate too big of a jump indifficulty level.

Verne

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On BehalfOf Atwood, Mark
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:34 AM
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It has to be a cycle.   Our area (D4) use to be ahotbed for pattern in the 80’s but through the 90’s and aught’s we saw a verysteady decline in participation.  But the last 3-4 years has seen aresurgence of pattern activity and a host of new participants.   Westill have a large masters class of long time competitors, but our contests nowhave a solid contingent of Sportsman and Intermediates showing up to manycontests.  Our district champs had 10 in Advanced…   Acombination of long time old blood, some new advancements from Intermediate,and some former participants that are coming back to the scene.

I have NO idea what triggered this, but I like it J

-Mark

Mark Atwood

Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President

5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 

Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:440.684.3102

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On BehalfOf Ronald Van Putte
Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 9:18 AM
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It'll be interesting to see what happens next. The survival of ournewsletter is tied directly to the number of advertisers.  If those whosell products related to our hobby don't think it is profitable to continueadvertising in the K-Factor, our newsletter will founder.  I'm sure thepoor economy is part of the problem.  As the owner of a small hobby shop,I can tell you that my sales this year will be about half of what they were 5-7years ago.

It appears that the number of competitors is down in thesoutheast.  I was stunned to see only 12 competitors at the O.J. Stillmancontest in Jacksonville just over a week ago.  That contest normally hasnumbers in the high 20s - low 30s.  The Huntsville contest in Septemberused to be a major contest, but there were so few contestants that we wereeither flying, calling or judging all the time.  I know that numbers likethat will cause clubs to think twice about hosting another contest.  Aftera hiatus of almost ten years, my club, the Eglin Aero Modellers, is hosting acontest in just over a week.  I hope the number of competitors issufficiently high, because, if they are, I'm sure we will continue hosting thecontest.  If not, there won't be another contest.

Ron

On Oct 6, 2010, at 1:32 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:

So how many competitors do we have left?

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 6, 2010, at 13:11, mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:

 I'm sure some see it as a small deal but if you are  a competitor and attempting to abide by the rules you may have a completly  different perspective. For that reason I think the rules in place are well  thought out and I think Derek is correct in pointing it out. MIke

  --- On Wed, 10/6/10, Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com> wrote:

  From: Keith Hoard <khoard at gmail.com>
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Acceptable use policy for the list...
  To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 12:49 PM

I'll second that!!!

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 6, 2010, at 12:03, "GEORGE KENNIE" <geobet4 at verizon.net>  wrote:

I  think this was meant as an advisory. 

I  don't think you'd want to call him in January only to find out that they were  no longer an

available  item when you had expected them to be.

I  have always found his updates to be useful information and his use of our  site to be discreet !

As  he is not the only purveyor amoungst our group to utilize the site for a  heads up and certainly 

not  abusing the privelidge, it would seem to me that these types of advisories  should be allowed

without  recriminations.

I  think a discretionary reaction should prevail.

G.

-----  Original Message ----- 

From: Derek  Koopowitz 

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Sent: Wednesday, October  06, 2010 9:51 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Acceptable use policy for the list...

I’d just like to point out a reminder for everyone about  the list’s acceptable use policy… please see:

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