[NSRCA-discussion] Max volts

Chris cjm767driver at hotmail.com
Mon Mar 1 16:45:01 AKST 2010


Thanks Chad.  That was fast!

I raise a Molson (actually I like Labatts Blue better) to Canada for an 
excellent Olympics.

Chris Moon

Chad Northeast wrote:
> This wheel should be greased on the new Schulze F3A controller :) Its 
> already on the big airplane ones.
>
> Chad
>
> On 10-03-01 6:14 PM, Dave wrote:
>>
>> Essentially a governor for the peak power only…with constant 
>> “re-mapping” of the throttle curve to keep the power the same across 
>> the throttle range. SOME people have been asking for this basic 
>> concept as an additional programming parameter for a LONG time (I 
>> won’t admit to when I first asked for this). It would be very nice to 
>> program max RPM (essentially a function of voltage available, which 
>> reflects power available from the lipo) and set it for something 
>> close to what is seen at the end of a flight on a cool day on a 
>> “middle of the road” lipo (assuming it is performing well enough for 
>> competition flights). THEN…all competition grade lipos would run 
>> essentially identically for the duration of the flight. If more 
>> people asked for this feature…the “squeaky” wheel might get greased 
>> sooner……..
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dave
>>
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>>
>> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Ed Alt
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 01, 2010 8:10 PM
>> *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>>
>> Along the lines of taking advantage of better batteries, ESC's could 
>> compensate for packs as they flatten out. Essentially, an ESC could 
>> be designed to automatically de-rate the battery when it is above a 
>> prescribed level of charge. I don't really keep up with what the 
>> various ESCs have feature-wise, but I haven't heard of this being 
>> done yet. I don't think it would be hard either. Effectively, it's 
>> like a built-in ATV that simply limits the pulse width at full power 
>> when the battery is above a certain level, just as it already does in 
>> response to throttle inputs. There's an advantage to this in that the 
>> battery pack & wiring arrangement stays simple and that all cells in 
>> the pack get used simultaneously. I still like Jim's original idea, 
>> especially because it got some more thinking on the topic going.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> *From:* AtwoodDon at aol.com <mailto:AtwoodDon at aol.com>
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 01, 2010 8:01 PM
>>
>> *To:* nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>>
>> This approach could also function as a backup RX battery. No rules 
>> against having redundant RX power. The BEC could be programmed to 
>> 'divert' power to the flight batteries to maintain the near max 
>> voltage when needed.
>>
>> However, I agree with Jim, I don't see the need for this. Battery 
>> technology has/is progressing fast enough to provide us with enough 
>> power for our sequences. I prefer the simpler approach.
>>
>> Don
>>
>> In a message dated 3/1/2010 4:34:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, 
>> ed_alt at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>     That's a good idea. I imagine it would take a little modification
>>     to the
>>     rule to specify how a system like this could be applied. This
>>     could be put
>>     together external to the speed controller and function
>>     automatically through
>>     active voltage sensing. Eventually the ESC mfgs could go a step
>>     further an
>>     just integrate this right into the controller. Slick, simple
>>     concept Jim!
>>
>>     Ed
>>
>>     --------------------------------------------------
>>     From: "James Oddino" <joddino at socal.rr.com>
>>     Sent: Monday, March 01, 2010 7:15 PM
>>     To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>     Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>>
>>     > I have the functional concept that solves the rules problem.
>>     Picture a
>>     > 10S pack positive lead wired to the common of a switch with two
>>     poles, a
>>     > piece of wire connected from one pole to a pole on a second two 
>> pole
>>     > switch with its common connected to the ESC. Between the other
>>     two poles
>>     > we place our 11th cell. When the 10S pack is above 37.5 volts the
>>     11th
>>     > cell is bypassed and when it is below, like it will be during
>>     vertical
>>     > maneuvers late in flight, the 11th cell is put in series to boost
>>     the
>>     > voltage to up to 41.7 volts. At no time is the voltage over the 
>> spec.
>>     >
>>     > Having said that, I believe the 10S system provides adequate
>>     power with
>>     > the right motor at all times of flight even if the voltage drops
>>     to 35
>>     > volts.
>>     >
>>     > Jim
>>     >
>>     >
>>     > On Mar 1, 2010, at 8:59 AM, Bob Kane wrote:
>>     >
>>     >> Going higher and regulating down would be against the rules, the
>>     max
>>     >> volts is still limited to 42.56.
>>     >>
>>     >> Bob Kane
>>     >> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> --- On Mon, 3/1/10, krishlan fitzsimmons
>>     <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
>>     >> wrote:
>>     >>
>>     >>> From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
>>     >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>>     >>> To: chad at f3acanada.org, "General pattern discussion"
>>     >>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>     >>> Date: Monday, March 1, 2010, 9:54 AM
>>     >>>
>>     >>> Couldn't we go to a higher voltage and
>>     >>> regulate it back down? A contstant 42.56v would be nice!
>>     >>>
>>     >>> Chris
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>>
>>     >>> From: Chad
>>     >>> Northeast <chad at f3acanada.org>
>>     >>> To:
>>     >>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>     >>> Sent: Sun,
>>     >>> February 28, 2010 8:48:48 PM
>>     >>> Subject: Re:
>>     >>> [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>>     >>>
>>     >>> You would be at about 50% capacity at 3.85 ish volts/cell
>>     >>> (resting open circuit), so unless you up the capacity you
>>     >>> will have a pretty restricted flight time.
>>     >>>
>>     >>> Chad
>>     >>>
>>     >>> On 10-02-28 9:25 PM, Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>     >>>> That stirs a wild thought in my brain. Fully
>>     >>> charged packs don't stay at 4.2 volts per cell very
>>     >>> long. On the other hand, once the initial charge
>>     >>> voltage is burned off by a constant load, the voltage loss
>>     >>> curve "flattens out". What if you put fully
>>     >>> charged 6S and a 5S packs in series and "burn them
>>     >>> down" to 3.869 volts per cell (a total of 42.56
>>     >>> volts for an 11-cell pack) so they were legal for
>>     >>> use. Would the voltage of this depleted 11S pack be
>>     >>> higher than a fully charged 10S pack at the end of a typical
>>     >>> flight? If the end-of-flight voltage might be
>>     >>> significantly higher for the 11S pack vice a 10S pack, it
>>     >>> would be worth investigating, even considering the extra
>>     >>> weight of the additional cell. Come on you electronic
>>     >>> gurus, show me where I'm wrong.
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> Ron Van Putte
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:00 PM, James Oddino wrote:
>>     >>>>
>>     >>>>> What comes after ...? Does it specify a load
>>     >>> or any other conditions? Is it measured during the
>>     >>> noise test and have a minimum value?
>>     >>>>>
>>     >>>>> Just stirring the pot, Jim O
>>     >>>>>
>>     >>>>>
>>     >>>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
>>     >>>>>
>>     >>>>>> No its not (assuming we are talking RC
>>     >>> Aerobatics). Try page RCA-2 para 4.1
>>     >>>>>> which
>>     >>> states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are
>>     >>> limited to a maximum
>>     >>>>>> of 42.56 volts.."
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>     >>>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>     >>>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>     >>> On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
>>     >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM
>>     >>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>     >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> It's in the general rules, not in the R/C
>>     >>> section.
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>>     >>>>>>
>>     >>>>>>> Where can I find the rule
>>     >>> for max volts?
>>     >>>>>>>
>>     >>>>>>>
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