From kthompson56 at satx.rr.com  Fri Jan  1 04:09:15 2010
From: kthompson56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 13:09:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year ! ! ! 1
References: <565162.49738.qm@web113302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E3C284FB030545AEA2ABA3CB194D8B19@kenpc>

And to you Bob and the rest of the list!!
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From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:06 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year ! ! ! 1


> Happy New Year ! ! !
> 
> 
> I promise to . . . . .
> 
> never mind.
> 
> Bob Kane
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From flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net  Fri Jan  1 06:27:14 2010
From: flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net (William C. Harden)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 15:27:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year ! ! ! 1
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Message-ID: <AB88FD30607C489EB0FA46A9A7BBEC47@bill>

I don't promise anything either.

Happy New Year!!

Bill Harden

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:07 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year ! ! ! 1

Happy New Year ! ! !


I promise to . . . . .

never mind.

Bob Kane
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 07:05:53 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 16:05:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year ! ! ! 1
In-Reply-To: <AB88FD30607C489EB0FA46A9A7BBEC47@bill>
References: <565162.49738.qm@web113302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<AB88FD30607C489EB0FA46A9A7BBEC47@bill>
Message-ID: <AF13FF49-D3B1-4324-AA65-B1EADFA9D6D5@cox.net>

I promise to do everything I'm supposed to do in a speedy and  
efficient manner, while maintaining a cheery disposition, unless I  
discover that there's something else I'd rather do.

You've got to have a reasonable perspective.

Ron

On Jan 1, 2010, at 9:27 AM, William C. Harden wrote:

> I don't promise anything either.
>
> Happy New Year!!
>
> Bill Harden
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob  
> Kane
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:07 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year ! ! ! 1
>
> Happy New Year ! ! !
>
>
> I promise to . . . . .
>
> never mind.
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
>
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From dmclalin at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 09:14:21 2010
From: dmclalin at gmail.com (Daniel McLalin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:14:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Happy New Year ! ! ! 1
In-Reply-To: <565162.49738.qm@web113302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <565162.49738.qm@web113302.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54f1efb31001011014u58990024mda6a246e50c20ca1@mail.gmail.com>

Happy New Year

No resolution is the only one I can keep!

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:06 AM, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Happy New Year ! ! !
>
>
> I promise to . . . . .
>
> never mind.
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
>
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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Fri Jan  1 09:42:08 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 18:42:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Starter
In-Reply-To: <8CC58511DBB9D11-4D8C-2FE79@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com>
References: <5B37B51A2F184EE1B14F2A285D83EEDF@UncleJasPC>
	<8CC58511DBB9D11-4D8C-2FE79@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <AAA0CFB7-0A08-4EF7-88AC-693BF1D97A4E@buddengineering.com>

Hi Oscar,

I highly recommend the geared-reduction starters from Pacific  
AeroModel:  http://www.pacaeromodel.com/

I have the Portable Super Starter PAM-1002PPM, used it extensively  
when I flew glow, and I really liked it (still have it).  The frame  
below the starter that holds the batteries is made of painted plywood,  
you may want to fabricate your own (it's functional but devoid of any  
"bling" factor), and certainly you could configure it to use LiPo's if  
you wanted (mine had the NiMH batteries).  The starter is also  
available without the batteries so you can design your own support if  
desired.

At the time I bought the starter it came with a hard black rubber  
insert, which I immediately changed out to a clear silicone insert  
from Miller R/C, however it appears that the starter now comes with a  
silicone insert so maybe that's no longer needed.

I never had any problems with mine, but only used it to start  
inverted, highly compressed Webra 160's.  : )

Jerry

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com

On Dec 31, 2009, at 8:54 AM, hnycmpsts at aol.com wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> Hope everyone is having a great holiday season.
>
> I'm in the process of getting back into pattern after about a 5+  
> year absence and I'm looking for a powerfull/ compact starter that  
> can turn a YS170.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
> Oscar
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From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  1 11:00:12 2010
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:00:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list
In-Reply-To: <5B37B51A2F184EE1B14F2A285D83EEDF@UncleJasPC>
References: <5B37B51A2F184EE1B14F2A285D83EEDF@UncleJasPC>
Message-ID: <BLU115-W23AD865306C46412916110A0770@phx.gbl>


Oh great and powerful NSRCA list, I have a few questions for you to start off this new year.  So, without any further delay:

 

1)  I am FINALLY building a U Can Do 3D I won at a pattern contest in ABQ about 4 years ago (winters in MI are good for something), and I am planning on putting a 120AC in it since that is the only thing between a .61 2 stroke and the YS engines I have.  I need to keep the pitch at 6 or below, so what diameter prop would work for the 120AC with a 6 pitch?

 

2)  Does anyone sell the YS mufflers for these engines any more or is the something else out there that will work?

 

3)  I need to buy a new charger for 2010.  I do not fly large electrics, so I just need something for the NiMH and 3000 mAh Li-pos that I have for the receiver batteries and the small electrics.  Any suggestions?

 

4)  I am soon expecting the arrival of a CARF Integral to replace my dearly beloved Brio that tried to unsuccessfully mid-air mate with another pattern plane last year.  I am planning on using a YS 160DZ with a Hatori 821 Muffler and a Nishioka mount.  Which Hatori Header is the correct one to use, the 822 or the 823?

 

Thanks and Happy New Year

 

Mike Cohen

 
 		 	   		  
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Fri Jan  1 11:20:51 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 20:20:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W23AD865306C46412916110A0770@phx.gbl>
References: <5B37B51A2F184EE1B14F2A285D83EEDF@UncleJasPC>
	<BLU115-W23AD865306C46412916110A0770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95ED32B774734845A1D8FC0AD51DBBAE@UncleJasPC>

#4- The higher rise one

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Cohen 
  To: NSRCA 
  Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:00 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list


  Oh great and powerful NSRCA list, I have a few questions for you to start off this new year.  So, without any further delay:
   
  1)  I am FINALLY building a U Can Do 3D I won at a pattern contest in ABQ about 4 years ago (winters in MI are good for something), and I am planning on putting a 120AC in it since that is the only thing between a .61 2 stroke and the YS engines I have.  I need to keep the pitch at 6 or below, so what diameter prop would work for the 120AC with a 6 pitch?
   
  2)  Does anyone sell the YS mufflers for these engines any more or is the something else out there that will work?
   
  3)  I need to buy a new charger for 2010.  I do not fly large electrics, so I just need something for the NiMH and 3000 mAh Li-pos that I have for the receiver batteries and the small electrics.  Any suggestions?
   
  4)  I am soon expecting the arrival of a CARF Integral to replace my dearly beloved Brio that tried to unsuccessfully mid-air mate with another pattern plane last year.  I am planning on using a YS 160DZ with a Hatori 821 Muffler and a Nishioka mount.  Which Hatori Header is the correct one to use, the 822 or the 823?
   
  Thanks and Happy New Year
   
  Mike Cohen
   


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From pcosky at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 12:20:58 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 21:20:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W23AD865306C46412916110A0770@phx.gbl>
References: <5B37B51A2F184EE1B14F2A285D83EEDF@UncleJasPC>
	<BLU115-W23AD865306C46412916110A0770@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <016501ca8b28$96a5c740$c3f155c0$@net>

#2 Central Hobbies YSE4925 $44.95

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:00 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list

 

Oh great and powerful NSRCA list, I have a few questions for you to start
off this new year.  So, without any further delay:
 
1)  I am FINALLY building a U Can Do 3D I won at a pattern contest in ABQ
about 4 years ago (winters in MI are good for something), and I am planning
on putting a 120AC in it since that is the only thing between a .61 2 stroke
and the YS engines I have.  I need to keep the pitch at 6 or below, so what
diameter prop would work for the 120AC with a 6 pitch?
 
2)  Does anyone sell the YS mufflers for these engines any more or is the
something else out there that will work?
 
3)  I need to buy a new charger for 2010.  I do not fly large electrics, so
I just need something for the NiMH and 3000 mAh Li-pos that I have for the
receiver batteries and the small electrics.  Any suggestions?
 
4)  I am soon expecting the arrival of a CARF Integral to replace my dearly
beloved Brio that tried to unsuccessfully mid-air mate with another pattern
plane last year.  I am planning on using a YS 160DZ with a Hatori 821
Muffler and a Nishioka mount.  Which Hatori Header is the correct one to
use, the 822 or the 823?
 
Thanks and Happy New Year
 
Mike Cohen
 

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From lodomjr at verizon.net  Fri Jan  1 13:01:47 2010
From: lodomjr at verizon.net (Larry Odom)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 22:01:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list
In-Reply-To: <95ED32B774734845A1D8FC0AD51DBBAE@UncleJasPC>
Message-ID: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHMEJACDAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>

That would be the #822
  -----Original Message-----
  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of J Shu
  Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:21 PM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list


  #4- The higher rise one

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.shulmanaviation.com
  www.composite-arf.com

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Michael Cohen
    To: NSRCA
    Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:00 PM
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list


    Oh great and powerful NSRCA list, I have a few questions for you to
start off this new year.  So, without any further delay:

    1)  I am FINALLY building a U Can Do 3D I won at a pattern contest in
ABQ about 4 years ago (winters in MI are good for something), and I am
planning on putting a 120AC in it since that is the only thing between a .61
2 stroke and the YS engines I have.  I need to keep the pitch at 6 or below,
so what diameter prop would work for the 120AC with a 6 pitch?

    2)  Does anyone sell the YS mufflers for these engines any more or is
the something else out there that will work?

    3)  I need to buy a new charger for 2010.  I do not fly large electrics,
so I just need something for the NiMH and 3000 mAh Li-pos that I have for
the receiver batteries and the small electrics.  Any suggestions?

    4)  I am soon expecting the arrival of a CARF Integral to replace my
dearly beloved Brio that tried to unsuccessfully mid-air mate with another
pattern plane last year.  I am planning on using a YS 160DZ with a Hatori
821 Muffler and a Nishioka mount.  Which Hatori Header is the correct one to
use, the 822 or the 823?

    Thanks and Happy New Year

    Mike Cohen



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From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  1 14:11:19 2010
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:11:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list
In-Reply-To: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHMEJACDAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>
References: <95ED32B774734845A1D8FC0AD51DBBAE@UncleJasPC>,
	<JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHMEJACDAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <BLU115-W1301101329F14CA02B9F77A0770@phx.gbl>


Thanks all!
 


From: lodomjr at verizon.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:01:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list




That would be the #822

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of J Shu
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:21 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list


#4- The higher rise one

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Michael Cohen 
To: NSRCA 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 3:00 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list

Oh great and powerful NSRCA list, I have a few questions for you to start off this new year.  So, without any further delay:
 
1)  I am FINALLY building a U Can Do 3D I won at a pattern contest in ABQ about 4 years ago (winters in MI are good for something), and I am planning on putting a 120AC in it since that is the only thing between a .61 2 stroke and the YS engines I have.  I need to keep the pitch at 6 or below, so what diameter prop would work for the 120AC with a 6 pitch?
 
2)  Does anyone sell the YS mufflers for these engines any more or is the something else out there that will work?
 
3)  I need to buy a new charger for 2010.  I do not fly large electrics, so I just need something for the NiMH and 3000 mAh Li-pos that I have for the receiver batteries and the small electrics.  Any suggestions?
 
4)  I am soon expecting the arrival of a CARF Integral to replace my dearly beloved Brio that tried to unsuccessfully mid-air mate with another pattern plane last year.  I am planning on using a YS 160DZ with a Hatori 821 Muffler and a Nishioka mount.  Which Hatori Header is the correct one to use, the 822 or the 823?
 
Thanks and Happy New Year
 
Mike Cohen
 



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From dmclalin at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 14:41:13 2010
From: dmclalin at gmail.com (Daniel McLalin)
Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2010 23:41:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
Message-ID: <54f1efb31001011541x6881a3ddvd81d3232a3c411db@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for
pattern?
-- 
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my mind the most!

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From frankjuliei at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 15:14:36 2010
From: frankjuliei at comcast.net (frank)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:14:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Starter
In-Reply-To: <AAA0CFB7-0A08-4EF7-88AC-693BF1D97A4E@buddengineering.com>
References: <5B37B51A2F184EE1B14F2A285D83EEDF@UncleJasPC><8CC58511DBB9D11-4D8C-2FE79@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com>
	<AAA0CFB7-0A08-4EF7-88AC-693BF1D97A4E@buddengineering.com>
Message-ID: <B39EAA80998F430F91AFBA21EAF0D87B@FMILaptop>

I have one of these. Do as Jerry says- supply your own power source. The
highest capacity  NiMhs available  from P.A.C.  were weak from the get go-
so the owner(?) "Johnson " reluctantly  took them back. I replaced them with
two 3300 NiMhs- better,  but still not great. They require frequent
recharges and after 2-3 cold  first starts, it struggles to turn my 0S140RX
.   If you can , use  high capacity Nicads( cheaper- may have to enlarge
battery cradle) or Lipos. I find it also helps to keep a piece of sandpaper
around to scuff up the  black rubber insert so that it doesn't slip on the
spinner - better yet,  ask for the silicone insert .

Frank

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Budd
Engineering
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:42 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starter

 

Hi Oscar,

 

I highly recommend the geared-reduction starters from Pacific AeroModel:
http://www.pacaeromodel.com/

 

I have the Portable Super Starter PAM-1002PPM, used it extensively when I
flew glow, and I really liked it (still have it).  The frame below the
starter that holds the batteries is made of painted plywood, you may want to
fabricate your own (it's functional but devoid of any "bling" factor), and
certainly you could configure it to use LiPo's if you wanted (mine had the
NiMH batteries).  The starter is also available without the batteries so you
can design your own support if desired.

 

At the time I bought the starter it came with a hard black rubber insert,
which I immediately changed out to a clear silicone insert from Miller R/C,
however it appears that the starter now comes with a silicone insert so
maybe that's no longer needed.

 

I never had any problems with mine, but only used it to start inverted,
highly compressed Webra 160's.  : )

 

Jerry


Budd Engineering

jerry at buddengineering.com

http://www.buddengineering.com

 

On Dec 31, 2009, at 8:54 AM, hnycmpsts at aol.com wrote:





Hi Guys,

 

Hope everyone is having a great holiday season.

 

I'm in the process of getting back into pattern after about a 5+ year
absence and I'm looking for a powerfull/ compact starter that can turn a
YS170.

 

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Oscar

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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 15:17:36 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 00:17:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <54f1efb31001011541x6881a3ddvd81d3232a3c411db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54f1efb31001011541x6881a3ddvd81d3232a3c411db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B3E9073.4070204@comcast.net>

_If_ you change the rules and disassociate AMA pattern airplanes from 
the FAI size/weight rules, then we need to change the aircraft rules to 
a size where airplanes are already being designed. Let's say...how about 
100cc and 25 pounds? That would fit in the box.

John

Daniel McLalin wrote:
> Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable 
> for pattern?
> -- 
> Regards,
> Daniel McLalin
> ____________________
> Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I 
> miss my mind the most!
>
> www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com>
> www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com>
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Fri Jan  1 16:18:13 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:18:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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 Here we go again...

Let's see, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.

Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

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Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes


Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for pattern?
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 16:29:49 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:29:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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You got that right, Jon!!!  Also true in SPA...

At 08:17 PM 1/1/2010, you wrote:
>Here we go again...
>
>Let's see, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks 
>are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't 
>competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 
>4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a 
>weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>
>Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>
>Jon Lowe
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable 
>for pattern?
>--
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>Daniel McLalin
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From dmclalin at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 16:36:01 2010
From: dmclalin at gmail.com (Daniel McLalin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:36:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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>
> John,
>

I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.

> , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but
> their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we
> ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the
> playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put
> ignition on my YS's.
>
> Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
>   -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for
> pattern?
> --
> Regards,
> Daniel McLalin
> ____________________
> Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss
> my mind the most!
>
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Fri Jan  1 16:46:20 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 01:46:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.

Ed


From: Daniel McLalin 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
To: General pattern discussion 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes


  John,

I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
  , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.

  Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.



  Jon Lowe




  -----Original Message-----
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  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes


  Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for pattern?
  -- 
  Regards,
  Daniel McLalin
  ____________________
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Jan  1 17:18:08 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:18:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E064@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ... 




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To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
 
Ed

From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes


		John,
	
 
I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.

		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
	
	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
	

	Jon Lowe


	-----Original Message-----
	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
	
	
	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for pattern?
	-- 
	Regards,
	Daniel McLalin
	____________________
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 17:23:04 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:23:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Someone please wake me when this blows over (again).

Ron

On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril  
> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I  
> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced  
> grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.   
> The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no  
> real issue.
>
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
> 		John,
> 	
>
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and  
> it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit  
> should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for  
> thought.
>
> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are  
> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't  
> competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4- 
> strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a  
> weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
> 	
> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> 	
>
> 	Jon Lowe
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 	
> 	
> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become  
> viable for pattern?
> 	--
> 	Regards,
> 	Daniel McLalin
> 	____________________
> 	Of all the things I ever  
> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
> 	
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 17:46:04 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:46:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E064@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
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Message-ID: <4B3EB33F.6010308@comcast.net>

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
from your propulsion unit.

Atwood, Mark wrote:
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ... 
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>  
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
> 		John,
> 	
>  
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
> 	
> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> 	
>
> 	Jon Lowe
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 	
> 	
> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for pattern?
> 	-- 
> 	Regards,
> 	Daniel McLalin
> 	____________________
> 	Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss my mind the most! 
> 	
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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Fri Jan  1 17:47:41 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:47:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E064@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E064@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <846BA153-8C29-4F49-AC32-3193D632A620@buddengineering.com>

Hey Mark,

Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I  
thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!

: )

(Happy New Year!!)

Jerry

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com

On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril  
> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I  
> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced  
> grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> >
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The  
> power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real  
> issue.
>
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> >
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
> 		John,
> 	
>
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and  
> it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit  
> should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for  
> thought.
>
> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy  
> but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any  
> more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and  
> electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break  
> because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
> 	
> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> 	
>
> 	Jon Lowe
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 	
> 	
> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become  
> viable for pattern?
> 	--
> 	Regards,
> 	Daniel McLalin
> 	____________________
> 	Of all the things I ever  
> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
> 	
> 	www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
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> Regards,
> Daniel McLalin
> ____________________
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 17:55:41 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:55:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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	<4B3EB33F.6010308@comcast.net>
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Daniel, 

There is a lot of good discussion (and some silly responses) a month or two ago on this. Perhaps you are new to the list. Maybe you could look up the back issues. There is pretty much nothing said here that isn't covered in the thread on RCU though. If you feel the need to voice your opinion RCU is probably the better venue for it IMO. Good luck!


Chris 







________________________________
From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 6:45:19 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from from your propulsion unit.

Atwood, Mark wrote:
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.? Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ... 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.? The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>? Ed
> 
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>? Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>? Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 
> 
> ??? ??? John,
> ??? 
>? I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be considered.? This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
> 
> ??? ??? , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
> ??? 
> ??? Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> ??? 
> 
> ??? Jon Lowe
> 
> 
> ??? -----Original Message-----
> ??? From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> ??? To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> ??? Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> ??? Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> ??? 
> ??? 
> ??? Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for pattern?
> ??? -- ??? Regards,
> ??? Daniel McLalin
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Jan  1 17:56:07 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:56:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E065@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets to do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change.  

Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their overall life cycle. 

Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
from your propulsion unit.

Atwood, Mark wrote:
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ... 
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>  
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
> 		John,
> 	
>  
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
> 	
> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> 	
>
> 	Jon Lowe
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 	
> 	
> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for pattern?
> 	-- 
> 	Regards,
> 	Daniel McLalin
> 	____________________
> 	Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss my mind the most! 
> 	
> 	www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/> 
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 17:56:20 2010
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 02:56:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <846BA153-8C29-4F49-AC32-3193D632A620@buddengineering.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E064@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<846BA153-8C29-4F49-AC32-3193D632A620@buddengineering.com>
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Nice!!!

OH!!!!

GF and I were quite happy about the game...since she was in the OH band for
5 years.

I really don't think squirrels are going to be the answer, in spite of the
obviously beneficial green effects which would go a long way to combating
all the pollutants put in the air by developing 3rd world industries.
Reason why.....you really don't want the ACLU and PETA in our event checking
on the treatment of the squirrels.

Regards,

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Budd
Engineering
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:48 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Hey Mark,

Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I  
thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!

: )

(Happy New Year!!)

Jerry

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com

On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril  
> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I  
> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced  
> grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> >
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The  
> power doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real  
> issue.
>
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> >
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
> 		John,
> 	
>
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and  
> it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit  
> should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for  
> thought.
>
> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
heavy  
> but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any  
> more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and  
> electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break  
> because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
> 	
> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> 	
>
> 	Jon Lowe
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 	
> 	
> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become  
> viable for pattern?
> 	--
> 	Regards,
> 	Daniel McLalin
> 	____________________
> 	Of all the things I ever  
> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
> 	
> 	www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
> 	www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
> 	
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>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> Daniel McLalin
> ____________________
> Of all the things I ever lost.......................................  
> I miss my mind the most!
>
> www.firehow.com
> www.premierbowlers.com
>
>
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 18:01:12 2010
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:01:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E065@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E065@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
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Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets to
do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change.


Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were
able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
overall life cycle. 

Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
from your propulsion unit.

Atwood, Mark wrote:
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its
"green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate
power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
overweight ... 
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power
doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>  
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
> 		John,
> 	
>  
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when
I put ignition on my YS's.
> 	
> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> 	
>
> 	Jon Lowe
>
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 	
> 	
> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable
for pattern?
> 	-- 
> 	Regards,
> 	Daniel McLalin
> 	____________________
> 	Of all the things I ever lost.......................................
I miss my mind the most! 
> 	
> 	www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/> 
> 	www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/> 
> 	
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 18:11:16 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:11:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <E80438FB3DF146589F36AA7892795B5B@davedesktop>
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Dave, 



Someone has to ask first.? Probably you are waiting now.? What is EDF ?? 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net> 
To: "General pattern discussion" < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 8:58:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 

Turbines could be cool!!!! ?How about EDF ?? 

Dave 

-----Original Message----- 
From: nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org 
[ mailto : nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark 
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM 
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists. nsrca . org' 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 

I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets to 
do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change. 


Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was 
unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were 
able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their 
overall life cycle. 

Anyone wanna try a Turbine? 
-------------------------- 
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org 
< nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org> 
To: General pattern discussion < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
from your propulsion unit. 

Atwood, Mark wrote: 
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power. ?Its 
"green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate 
power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me 
overweight ... 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -------------------------- 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org 
< nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org> 
> To: General pattern discussion < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 
> 
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI . ?The power 
doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue. 
> ? 
> Ed 
> 
> From: Daniel McLalin < mailto : dmclalin @ gmail .com> ? 
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM 
> To: General pattern discussion < mailto : nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> ? 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 
> 
> 
> ????????????????John, 
> ???????? 
> ? 
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it 
occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be 
considered. ?This does not mean I agree, but just for thought. 
> 
> ????????????????, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are 
heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any 
more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to 
level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when 
I put ignition on my YS's . 
> ???????? 
> ????????Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules. 
> ???????? 
> 
> ????????Jon Lowe 
> 
> 
> ????????-----Original Message----- 
> ????????From: Daniel McLalin < dmclalin @ gmail .com> 
> ????????To: nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org 
> ????????Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm 
> ????????Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 
> ???????? 
> ???????? 
> ????????Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable 
for pattern? 
> ????????-- 
> ????????Regards, 
> ????????Daniel McLalin 
> ???????? ____________________ 
> ????????Of all the things I ever lost....................................... 
I miss my mind the most! 
> ???????? 
> ???????? www . firehow .com < http :// www . firehow .com/> 
> ???????? www . premierbowlers .com < http :// www . premierbowlers .com/> 
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From dmclalin at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 18:12:33 2010
From: dmclalin at gmail.com (Daniel McLalin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:12:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Chris,

I was referring to *Dave Burton* *Fri Dec 11 12:42:24 AKST 2009 where
he *submitted
a rules proposal to completely eliminate the 11 lb. Weight limit in AMA
pattern classes. I wasn't suggesting to change anything. I'm a NUB.

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:55 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons <
homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>   Daniel,
>
> There is a lot of good discussion (and some silly responses) a month or two
> ago on this. Perhaps you are new to the list. Maybe you could look up the
> back issues. There is pretty much nothing said here that isn't covered in
> the thread on RCU though. If you feel the need to voice your opinion RCU is
> probably the better venue for it IMO. Good luck!
>
>
> *Chris *
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>
>
> *To:* General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> *Sent:* Fri, January 1, 2010 6:45:19 PM
>
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for pecans
> and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. Of course
> you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the flight which does
> not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to flying squirrels would
> be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from from your propulsion unit.
>
> Atwood, Mark wrote:
> > I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.
> Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get
> adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which
> make me overweight ...
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >
> > Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The
> power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
> >  Ed
> >
> > From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  Sent: Friday, January
> 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >
> >
> >         John,
> >
> >  I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
> occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
> considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
> >
> >         , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
> more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
> level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when
> I put ignition on my YS's.
> >
> >     Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> >
> >
> >     Jon Lowe
> >
> >
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> >     To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >     Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> >     Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >
> >
> >     Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable
> for pattern?
> >     --     Regards,
> >     Daniel McLalin
> >     ____________________
> >     Of all the things I ever lost........................................
> I miss my mind the most!
> >     www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>     www.premierbowlers.com<
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 18:16:13 2010
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:16:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Sorry for being too brief - 

 

EDF is Electric Ducted Fan.

 

Dave (Lockhart)

 

 

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente
"Vince" Bortone
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

 

Dave,

 

Someone has to ask first.  Probably you are waiting now.  What is EDF?  

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 8:58:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets to
do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change.


Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were
able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
overall life cycle. 

Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
from your propulsion unit.

Atwood, Mark wrote:
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its
"green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate
power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
overweight ... 
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power
doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>  
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
>                 John,
>         
>  
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
>                 , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks
are
heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when
I put ignition on my YS's.
>         
>         Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>         
>
>         Jon Lowe
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>         Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>         
>         
>         Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become
viable
for pattern?
>         -- 
>         Regards,
>         Daniel McLalin
>         ____________________
>         Of all the things I ever
lost.......................................
I miss my mind the most! 
>         
>         www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/> 
>         www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/> 
>         
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 18:16:18 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:16:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Electric Ducted Fan

Vicente "Vince" Bortone wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
>  
>
> Someone has to ask first.  Probably you are waiting now.  What is EDF? 
>
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 8:58:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, 
> Mark
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who 
> gets to
> do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a 
> change.
>
>
> Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
> unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels 
> were
> able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
> overall life cycle.
>
> Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for
> pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick.
> Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the
> flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to
> flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from
> from your propulsion unit.
>
> Atwood, Mark wrote:
> > I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril 
> power.  Its
> "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get 
> adequate
> power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
> overweight ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >
> > Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The 
> power
> doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
> >  
> > Ed
> >
> > From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
> > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >
> >
> >                 John,
> >         
> >  
> > I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
> occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
> considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
> >
> >                 , electrics want a weight break because their fuel 
> tanks are
> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
> more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
> level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 
> oz when
> I put ignition on my YS's.
> >         
> >         Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> >         
> >
> >         Jon Lowe
> >
> >
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> >         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >         Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> >         Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >         
> >         
> >         Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would 
> become viable
> for pattern?
> >         --
> >         Regards,
> >         Daniel McLalin
> >         ____________________
> >         Of all the things I ever 
> lost.......................................
> I miss my mind the most!
> >         
> >         www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
> >         www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
> >         
> >         _______________________________________________
> >         
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Fri Jan  1 18:17:42 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:17:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Now I know what to do with our 120 EDF unit...lol.

Regards,
Jason
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes


> Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??
> 
> Dave
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 
> I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets to
> do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change.
> 
> 
> Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
> unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were
> able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
> overall life cycle. 
> 
> Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> 
> You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
> pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
> Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
> flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
> flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
> from your propulsion unit.
> 
> Atwood, Mark wrote:
>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its
> "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate
> power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
> overweight ... 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power
> doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>>  
>> Ed
>>
>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>>
>> John,
>> 
>>  
>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
> occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
> considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>>
>> , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
> more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
> level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when
> I put ignition on my YS's.
>> 
>> Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>> 
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> 
>> 
>> Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable
> for pattern?
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Daniel McLalin
>> ____________________
>> Of all the things I ever lost.......................................
> I miss my mind the most! 
>> 
>> www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/> 
>> www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
>> 
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan  1 18:21:32 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:21:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <846BA153-8C29-4F49-AC32-3193D632A620@buddengineering.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E064@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<846BA153-8C29-4F49-AC32-3193D632A620@buddengineering.com>
Message-ID: <4B3EBB8F.5030104@comcast.net>

Must be some in Lincoln too.

Budd Engineering wrote:
> Hey Mark,
>
> Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I 
> thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!
>
> : )
>
> (Happy New Year!!)
>
> Jerry
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril 
>> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can 
>> only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey 
>> squirrils which make me overweight ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The 
>> power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real 
>> issue.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>>
>>         John,
>>     
>>
>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and 
>> it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit 
>> should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>>
>>         , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are 
>> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive 
>> any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and 
>> electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break 
>> because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>>     
>>     Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>>     
>>
>>     Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>     To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>     Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>>     Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>     
>>     
>>     Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become 
>> viable for pattern?
>>     --
>>     Regards,
>>     Daniel McLalin
>>     ____________________
>>     Of all the things I ever 
>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>     
>>     www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>>     www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>>     
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     
>>     
>>     NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>     
>>     NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>     
>>     http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>     
>>     
>>     
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>>     http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Daniel McLalin
>> ____________________
>> Of all the things I ever lost....................................... 
>> I miss my mind the most!
>>
>> www.firehow.com
>> www.premierbowlers.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Jan  1 18:22:47 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:22:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E068@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Its been brought to my attention that the person who re-initiated this topic is new.  I have to apologize. It was not my intent to offend or seem condescending in my reply. I was just trying to have a little fun with the topic since its been discussed so intently in the past. 

Please accept my apologies. 

-Mark


--------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 22:13:03 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Sorry for being too brief ? 

 

EDF is Electric Ducted Fan.

 

Dave (Lockhart)

 

 

 

________________________________

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

 

Dave,

 

Someone has to ask first.  Probably you are waiting now.  What is EDF?  

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 8:58:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets to
do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change.


Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were
able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
overall life cycle. 

Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
--------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
from your propulsion unit.

Atwood, Mark wrote:
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its
"green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate
power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
overweight ... 
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power
doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>  
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
>                 John,
>         
>  
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
>                 , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when
I put ignition on my YS's.
>         
>         Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>         
>
>         Jon Lowe
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>         Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>         
>         
>         Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable
for pattern?
>         -- 
>         Regards,
>         Daniel McLalin
>         ____________________
>         Of all the things I ever lost.......................................
I miss my mind the most! 
>         
>         www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/> 
>         www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/> 
>         
>         _______________________________________________
>         
>         
>         NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>         
>         NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         
>         http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>         
>         
>         
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>         
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>
>
>
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From dmclalin at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 18:30:59 2010
From: dmclalin at gmail.com (Daniel McLalin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:30:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E068@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E068@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <54f1efb31001011930r62abbf35lf57bfdcab9dafaa5@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,
No offense has been taken.  I also saw the humor in the weight restrictions,
which is why I mentioned gas engines.

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>wrote:

> Its been brought to my attention that the person who re-initiated this
> topic is new.  I have to apologize. It was not my intent to offend or seem
> condescending in my reply. I was just trying to have a little fun with the
> topic since its been discussed so intently in the past.
>
> Please accept my apologies.
>
> -Mark
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 22:13:03 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Sorry for being too brief ?
>
>
>
> EDF is Electric Ducted Fan.
>
>
>
> Dave (Lockhart)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince"
> Bortone
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:11 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
>
> Dave,
>
>
>
> Someone has to ask first.  Probably you are waiting now.  What is EDF?
>
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 8:58:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood,
> Mark
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets
> to
> do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change.
>
>
> Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
> unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were
> able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
> overall life cycle.
>
> Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for
> pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick.
> Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the
> flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to
> flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from
> from your propulsion unit.
>
>  Atwood, Mark wrote:
> > I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.
>  Its
> "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate
> power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
> overweight ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >
> > Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The
> power
> doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >
> >
> >                 John,
> >
> >
> > I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
> occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
> considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
> >
> >                 , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks
> are
> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
> more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
> level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz
> when
> I put ignition on my YS's.
> >
> >         Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
> >
> >
> >         Jon Lowe
> >
> >
> >         -----Original Message-----
> >         From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
> >         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >         Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
> >         Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
> >
> >
> >         Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become
> viable
> for pattern?
> >         --
> >         Regards,
> >         Daniel McLalin
> >         ____________________
> >         Of all the things I ever
> lost.......................................
> I miss my mind the most!
> >
> >         www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
> >         www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
> >
> >         _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> >         NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >
> >         NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >
> >         http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >
> >
> >
> >         _______________________________________________
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> >         NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >         http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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-- 
Regards,
Daniel McLalin
____________________
Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss
my mind the most!

www.firehow.com
www.premierbowlers.com
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From dmclalin at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 18:34:42 2010
From: dmclalin at gmail.com (Daniel McLalin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:34:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <54f1efb31001011930r62abbf35lf57bfdcab9dafaa5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E068@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<54f1efb31001011930r62abbf35lf57bfdcab9dafaa5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54f1efb31001011934u64f822f4p2d2be2d65cc8845@mail.gmail.com>

Come to think of it, there have been many topics rehased over the last
year(s) - all with good arguments all around.

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mark,
> No offense has been taken.  I also saw the humor in the weight
> restrictions, which is why I mentioned gas engines.
>
>   On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>wrote:
>
>> Its been brought to my attention that the person who re-initiated this
>> topic is new.  I have to apologize. It was not my intent to offend or seem
>> condescending in my reply. I was just trying to have a little fun with the
>> topic since its been discussed so intently in the past.
>>
>> Please accept my apologies.
>>
>> -Mark
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 22:13:03 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> Sorry for being too brief ?
>>
>>
>>
>> EDF is Electric Ducted Fan.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave (Lockhart)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince"
>> Bortone
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:11 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>>
>>
>> Someone has to ask first.  Probably you are waiting now.  What is EDF?
>>
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 8:58:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood,
>> Mark
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets
>> to
>> do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a
>> change.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
>> unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels
>> were
>> able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
>> overall life cycle.
>>
>> Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for
>> pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick.
>> Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the
>> flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to
>> flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from
>> from your propulsion unit.
>>
>>  Atwood, Mark wrote:
>> > I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.
>>  Its
>> "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get
>> adequate
>> power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
>> overweight ...
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --------------------------
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> >
>> > Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The
>> power
>> doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>> >
>> > Ed
>> >
>> > From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>> > To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> >
>> >
>> >                 John,
>> >
>> >
>> > I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
>> occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
>> considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>> >
>> >                 , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks
>> are
>> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
>> more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
>> level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz
>> when
>> I put ignition on my YS's.
>> >
>> >         Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>> >
>> >
>> >         Jon Lowe
>> >
>> >
>> >         -----Original Message-----
>> >         From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> >         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> >         Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>> >         Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> >
>> >
>> >         Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become
>> viable
>> for pattern?
>> >         --
>> >         Regards,
>> >         Daniel McLalin
>> >         ____________________
>> >         Of all the things I ever
>> lost.......................................
>> I miss my mind the most!
>> >
>> >         www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>> >         www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>> >
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> ____________________
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> my mind the most!
>
> www.firehow.com
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 18:48:31 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 03:48:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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No worries Daniel, hope I didn't come across wrong. I was merely trying to say that the list can be quite brutal on this subject. Feel free to discuss anything here. Just?didn't want you to take a beating as I figured you were somewhat new or you would have seen this discussed here. Some people are dead set against change, when change is how we got to where we are now.. Nothing wrong with this though. 

I think it's important that those of us who have been around the list remember that new people join all the time and don't know what has been discussed. But they see something on RCU, and find the list. 

Take care. 
?
Chris 







________________________________
From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 7:12:29 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes


Chris,

I was referring to Dave Burton Fri Dec 11 12:42:24 AKST 2009 where he submitted a rules proposal to completely eliminate the 11 lb. Weight limit in AMA pattern classes. I wasn't suggesting to change anything.?I'm a NUB.


On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:55 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

Daniel, 
>
>There is a lot of good discussion (and some silly responses) a month or two ago on this. Perhaps you are new to the list. Maybe you could look up the back issues. There is pretty much nothing said here that isn't covered in the thread on RCU though. If you feel the need to voice your opinion RCU is probably the better venue for it IMO. Good luck!
>
>
>Chris 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________
From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> 
>
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Fri, January 1, 2010 6:45:19 PM 
>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
>You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from from your propulsion unit.
>
>Atwood, Mark wrote:
>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.? Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> 
>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.? The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>>? Ed
>> 
>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>? Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>? Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> 
>> 
>> ??? ??? John,
>> ??? 
>>? I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be considered.? This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>> 
>> ??? ??? , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>> ??? 
>> ??? Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>> ??? 
>> 
>> ??? Jon Lowe
>> 
>> 
>> ??? -----Original Message-----
>> ??? From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> ??? To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> ??? Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>> ??? Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> ??? 
>> ??? 
>> ??? Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for pattern?
>> ??? -- ??? Regards,
>> ??? Daniel McLalin
>> ??? ____________________
>> ??? Of all the things I ever lost......................................... I miss my mind the most! ??? 
>> ??? www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/> ??? www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/> ??? 
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Fri Jan  1 19:22:46 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:22:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Let's get something straight...It's an SAP 180 and has power like no other gas engine in this class. Better than the 140 glow 2 strokes available and practically on par with the webra 160. Better than the YS 140 and 160. The YS 170 is the only one slightly ahead. By the time we get done with ringing the beastie out, I am not certain that the YS will still have the edge

You must have missed one major point of the thread...the weight of this engine including ignition module is around 35 ozs. The soft mount I made for it is lighter than typical at 2 ozs. In my set-up I don't use a second battery and switch....so there is no weight penalty for that. I think most people will make weight easily with this gas engine. My plane for example will come in at under 10 lbs with this engine in it

Let's not go through the semi monthly weight limit discussion so quickly. We still have two months to go before we need to start it again

MattK

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 8:35 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes



John,

 
I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.

, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.

Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.



Jon Lowe






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To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes


Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for pattern?
-- 
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____________________
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www.premierbowlers.com



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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Fri Jan  1 19:26:38 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:26:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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 Bailiff, whack his PP!!!

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dave <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 10:13 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes



Sorry for being too brief ? 
 
EDF is Electric Ducted Fan.
 
Dave (Lockhart)
 
 
 



From:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone
Sent: Friday, January 01, 201010:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]Weight limit in AMA classes

 

Dave,
 
Someone has to ask first.  Probably you arewaiting now.  What is EDF?  

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: "General pattern discussion"<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 8:58:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??

Dave

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets to
do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change.


Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were
able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
overall life cycle. 

Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
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<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
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Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
from your propulsion unit.

Atwood, Mark wrote:
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power. Its
"green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only getadequate
power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
overweight ... 
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  Thepower
doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>  
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>;  
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>;  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
>                John,
>         
>  
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
>                ,electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when
I put ignition on my YS's.
>         
>         Pandora's box is noproblem compared to changing pattern rules.
>         
>
>         Jon Lowe
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Daniel McLalin<dmclalin at gmail.com>
>         To:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 20105:41 pm
>         Subject:[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>         
>         
>         Maybe if the weight limitwas raised gas engines would become viable
for pattern?
>         -- 
>         Regards,
>         Daniel McLalin
>         ____________________
>         Of all the things I everlost.......................................
I miss my mind the most! 
>         
>         www.firehow.com<http://www.firehow.com/>; 
>         www.premierbowlers.com<http://www.premierbowlers.com/>; 
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From: dmclalin at gmail.com (Daniel McLalin)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:28:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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UNCLE

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:22 PM, <rcmaster199 at aol.com> wrote:

> Let's get something straight...It's an SAP 180 and has power like no other
> gas engine in this class. Better than the 140 glow 2 strokes available and
> practically on par with the webra 160. Better than the YS 140 and 160. The
> YS 170 is the only one slightly ahead. By the time we get done with ringing
> the beastie out, I am not certain that the YS will still have the edge
>
> You must have missed one major point of the thread...the weight of this
> engine including ignition module is around 35 ozs. The soft mount I made for
> it is lighter than typical at 2 ozs. In my set-up I don't use a second
> battery and switch....so there is no weight penalty for that. I think most
> people will make weight easily with this gas engine. My plane for example
> will come in at under 10 lbs with this engine in it
>
> Let's not go through the semi monthly weight limit discussion so quickly.
> We still have two months to go before we need to start it again
>
> MattK
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 8:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>   John,
>>
>
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
> occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
> considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
>> , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are heavy but
>> their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any more we
>> ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to level the
>> playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when I put
>> ignition on my YS's.
>>
>> Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>>   -----Original Message-----
>> From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable for
>> pattern?
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Daniel McLalin
>> ____________________
>> Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I
>> miss my mind the most!
>>
>> www.firehow.com
>> www.premierbowlers.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Daniel McLalin
> ____________________
> Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss
> my mind the most!
>
> www.firehow.com
> www.premierbowlers.com
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 19:36:02 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:36:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Buckeye - Look in the dictionary.  It says " a worthless nut".

Ron Van Putte
BS - Purdue; MS and A&AE - Michigan

On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Budd Engineering wrote:

> Hey Mark,
>
> Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I  
> thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!
>
> : )
>
> (Happy New Year!!)
>
> Jerry
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril  
>> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I  
>> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod  
>> enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.   
>> The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no  
>> real issue.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>>
>> 		John,
>> 	
>>
>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140  
>> and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight  
>> limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just  
>> for thought.
>>
>> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are  
>> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't  
>> competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4- 
>> strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a  
>> weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>> 	
>> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>> 	
>>
>> 	Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> 	-----Original Message-----
>> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become  
>> viable for pattern?
>> 	--
>> 	Regards,
>> 	Daniel McLalin
>> 	____________________
>> 	Of all the things I ever  
>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>> 	
>> 	www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>> 	www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>> 	
>> 	_______________________________________________
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 	
>> 	NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 	
>> 	http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	_______________________________________________
>> 	NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 	NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 	http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 	
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Daniel McLalin
>> ____________________
>> Of all the things I ever  
>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>
>> www.firehow.com
>> www.premierbowlers.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Jan  1 19:37:37 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:37:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E06C@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Hello?  That's POISONOUS nut!

Wolverines - Breakfast of Champions!!!!

GO BUCKS!!
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 23:37:29 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Buckeye - Look in the dictionary.  It says " a worthless nut".

Ron Van Putte
BS - Purdue; MS and A&AE - Michigan

On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Budd Engineering wrote:

> Hey Mark,
>
> Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I  
> thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!
>
> : )
>
> (Happy New Year!!)
>
> Jerry
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril  
>> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I  
>> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod  
>> enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.   
>> The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no  
>> real issue.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>>
>> 		John,
>> 	
>>
>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140  
>> and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight  
>> limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just  
>> for thought.
>>
>> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are  
>> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't  
>> competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4- 
>> strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a  
>> weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>> 	
>> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>> 	
>>
>> 	Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> 	-----Original Message-----
>> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become  
>> viable for pattern?
>> 	--
>> 	Regards,
>> 	Daniel McLalin
>> 	____________________
>> 	Of all the things I ever  
>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>> 	
>> 	www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>> 	www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>> 	
>> 	_______________________________________________
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 	
>> 	NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 	
>> 	http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	
>> 	_______________________________________________
>> 	NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 	NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 	http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 	
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>> Daniel McLalin
>> ____________________
>> Of all the things I ever  
>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>
>> www.firehow.com
>> www.premierbowlers.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan  1 19:54:10 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:54:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E06C@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E06C@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <34248339-9C05-423C-BDFE-85EE1EDDDCFD@cox.net>

Hmmmm.  Mark somehow failed to mention Purdue.

Ron

On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:22 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Hello?  That's POISONOUS nut!
>
> Wolverines - Breakfast of Champions!!!!
>
> GO BUCKS!!
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 23:37:29 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Buckeye - Look in the dictionary.  It says " a worthless nut".
>
> Ron Van Putte
> BS - Purdue; MS and A&AE - Michigan
>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Budd Engineering wrote:
>
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I
>> thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!
>>
>> : )
>>
>> (Happy New Year!!)
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Budd Engineering
>> jerry at buddengineering.com
>> http://www.buddengineering.com
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>
>>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril
>>> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I
>>> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod
>>> enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>
>>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.
>>> The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no
>>> real issue.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>
>>>
>>> 		John,
>>> 	
>>>
>>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140
>>> and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight
>>> limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just
>>> for thought.
>>>
>>> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
>>> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't
>>> competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-
>>> strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a
>>> weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>>> 	
>>> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>>> 	
>>>
>>> 	Jon Lowe
>>>
>>>
>>> 	-----Original Message-----
>>> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>>> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>> 	
>>> 	
>>> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become
>>> viable for pattern?
>>> 	--
>>> 	Regards,
>>> 	Daniel McLalin
>>> 	____________________
>>> 	Of all the things I ever
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>> 	
>>> 	www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>>> 	www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>>> 	
>>> 	_______________________________________________
>>> 	
>>> 	
>>> 	NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> 	
>>> 	NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 	
>>> 	http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 	
>>> 	
>>> 	
>>> 	_______________________________________________
>>> 	NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> 	NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 	http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 	
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>> Daniel McLalin
>>> ____________________
>>> Of all the things I ever
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>>
>>> www.firehow.com
>>> www.premierbowlers.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Fri Jan  1 19:58:15 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 04:58:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <4B3EBB8F.5030104@comcast.net>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E064@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<846BA153-8C29-4F49-AC32-3193D632A620@buddengineering.com>
	<4B3EBB8F.5030104@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <5C4BC07B-2030-40ED-B0C5-193A0AFEE115@buddengineering.com>

Hey John, that'd be Frozen Squirrels (it's -5 F in Omaha, supposed to  
get to -15 F by morning)!

It's a balmy 40 here tonight, high for tomorrow is forecast to be 65,  
probably go flying tomorrow.

(now it's time to sit back and wait for Verne to send me his annual  
"bite me" email about the weather...)

: )

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com

On Jan 1, 2010, at 7:20 PM, John Gayer wrote:

> Must be some in Lincoln too.
>
> Budd Engineering wrote:
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I  
>> thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!
>>
>> : )
>>
>> (Happy New Year!!)
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Budd Engineering
>> jerry at buddengineering.com
>> http://www.buddengineering.com
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>
>>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril  
>>> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I  
>>> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod  
>>> enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> >
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>
>>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.   
>>> The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no  
>>> real issue.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> >
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>
>>>
>>>        John,
>>>
>>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140  
>>> and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight  
>>> limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just  
>>> for thought.
>>>
>>>        , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks  
>>> are heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't  
>>> competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4- 
>>> strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a  
>>> weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>>>        Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern  
>>> rules.
>>>
>>>    Jon Lowe
>>>
>>>
>>>    -----Original Message-----
>>>    From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>>    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>    Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>>>    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>            Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would  
>>> become viable for pattern?
>>>    --
>>>    Regards,
>>>    Daniel McLalin
>>>    ____________________
>>>    Of all the things I ever  
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>>        www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>>>    www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>>>        _______________________________________________
>>>            NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>        NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>        http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>                _______________________________________________
>>>    NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>    NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>    http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>> Daniel McLalin
>>> ____________________
>>> Of all the things I ever  
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>>
>>> www.firehow.com
>>> www.premierbowlers.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Jan  1 20:03:07 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 05:03:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E06D@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Eh, bothof my  Sisters are boilermakers so I can't really rag on them. 
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 23:55:37 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Hmmmm.  Mark somehow failed to mention Purdue.

Ron

On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:22 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Hello?  That's POISONOUS nut!
>
> Wolverines - Breakfast of Champions!!!!
>
> GO BUCKS!!
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 23:37:29 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Buckeye - Look in the dictionary.  It says " a worthless nut".
>
> Ron Van Putte
> BS - Purdue; MS and A&AE - Michigan
>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Budd Engineering wrote:
>
>> Hey Mark,
>>
>> Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I
>> thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!
>>
>> : )
>>
>> (Happy New Year!!)
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> Budd Engineering
>> jerry at buddengineering.com
>> http://www.buddengineering.com
>>
>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>
>>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril
>>> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I
>>> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod
>>> enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>
>>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.
>>> The power doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no
>>> real issue.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>
>>>
>>> 		John,
>>> 	
>>>
>>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140
>>> and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight
>>> limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just
>>> for thought.
>>>
>>> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
>>> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't
>>> competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-
>>> strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a
>>> weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>>> 	
>>> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>>> 	
>>>
>>> 	Jon Lowe
>>>
>>>
>>> 	-----Original Message-----
>>> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>>> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>> 	
>>> 	
>>> 	Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become
>>> viable for pattern?
>>> 	--
>>> 	Regards,
>>> 	Daniel McLalin
>>> 	____________________
>>> 	Of all the things I ever
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>> 	
>>> 	www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>>> 	www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>>> 	
>>> 	_______________________________________________
>>> 	
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>> Daniel McLalin
>>> ____________________
>>> Of all the things I ever
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>>
>>> www.firehow.com
>>> www.premierbowlers.com
>>>
>>>
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From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jan  1 20:56:00 2010
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 05:56:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W23AD865306C46412916110A0770@phx.gbl>
References: <5B37B51A2F184EE1B14F2A285D83EEDF@UncleJasPC>
	<BLU115-W23AD865306C46412916110A0770@phx.gbl>
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Michael,

 

1: APC 16x6 or 17x6 maybe the best for 3D.  It will rev a little high, but I
saw a lot of guys with  YS120s use.  20% will be just fine.  

 

2: I have stock mufflers.   YSE4335 ($40.00)  It is the muffler set comes
with YS110.  It fits on 91 ~ 170.  

 

3: I would suggest AC/DC chargers: Hyperion 606i, Venom AC/DC, Dynamite's
AC/DC are good and under $130.00  All these are 6-cell balance charger and
charges all types of batteries.

 

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?
<http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXUAB8&P=ML>
&I=LXUAB8&P=ML  Venom chargers were popular because of the cheap price and
bunch of connectors coming with, but  there is no long term user report on
them yet.  I sold some, but most of them are charging small packs under
3000mAh (lipo).  Venom's support isn't that great.

 

http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?cPath=9
<http://www.allerc.com/product_info.php?cPath=9&products_id=3367>
&products_id=3367   very well known.  I sold more than enough, but no
accessories.  Balancing boards are available separate.

 

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=DYN4064   Newest
charger, Highest charge rate.  8amp.  Basic charge connectors come with the
charger.  Integrated balancer, so will need converter if the packs have
different balancing connector.  If you use packs with higher charge rate, it
will do very well.  

 

4: Hatori 822 is the one that Jason Shulman uses.

 

Ihncheol 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:00 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few questions for the pattern list

 

Oh great and powerful NSRCA list, I have a few questions for you to start
off this new year.  So, without any further delay:
 
1)  I am FINALLY building a U Can Do 3D I won at a pattern contest in ABQ
about 4 years ago (winters in MI are good for something), and I am planning
on putting a 120AC in it since that is the only thing between a .61 2 stroke
and the YS engines I have.  I need to keep the pitch at 6 or below, so what
diameter prop would work for the 120AC with a 6 pitch?
 
2)  Does anyone sell the YS mufflers for these engines any more or is the
something else out there that will work?
 
3)  I need to buy a new charger for 2010.  I do not fly large electrics, so
I just need something for the NiMH and 3000 mAh Li-pos that I have for the
receiver batteries and the small electrics.  Any suggestions?
 
4)  I am soon expecting the arrival of a CARF Integral to replace my dearly
beloved Brio that tried to unsuccessfully mid-air mate with another pattern
plane last year.  I am planning on using a YS 160DZ with a Hatori 821
Muffler and a Nishioka mount.  Which Hatori Header is the correct one to
use, the 822 or the 823?
 
Thanks and Happy New Year
 
Mike Cohen
 

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From rickwallace45 at gmail.com  Sat Jan  2 03:14:08 2010
From: rickwallace45 at gmail.com (richard wallace)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 12:14:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E064@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
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Mark  -
OUTSTANDING idea ... btw, will you head up the NSRCA committee to work with
PETA to work through their issues with this? .... and the Rules committee to
reinstate the 70's rules for realistic maneuvers that would put  only
pilot-survivable G's on the plane?

Keep up the great work!

On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 9:02 PM, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>wrote:

> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its
> "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate
> power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
> overweight ...
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power
> doesn?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
>                John,
>
>
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
> occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
> considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
>                , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
> more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
> level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when
> I put ignition on my YS's.
>
>        Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>
>
>        Jon Lowe
>
>
>        -----Original Message-----
>        From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>        To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>        Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>        Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
>        Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable
> for pattern?
>        --
>        Regards,
>        Daniel McLalin
>        ____________________
>        Of all the things I ever lost.......................................
> I miss my mind the most!
>
>        www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>        www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>
>        _______________________________________________
>
>
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>
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>
>        http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Daniel McLalin
> ____________________
> Of all the things I ever lost....................................... I miss
> my mind the most!
>
> www.firehow.com
> www.premierbowlers.com
>
>
> ________________________________
>
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Sat Jan  2 04:47:39 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 13:47:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Your sisters must be popular.? Never seen a lady in that business . 



Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Atwood" < atwoodm @paragon-inc.com> 
To: " nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org" < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 10:47:49 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 

Eh, bothof my ?Sisters are boilermakers so I can't really rag on them. 
-------------------------- 
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org < nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org> 
To: General pattern discussion < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
Sent: Fri Jan 01 23:55:37 2010 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 

Hmmmm . ?Mark somehow failed to mention Purdue. 

Ron 

On Jan 1, 2010, at 10:22 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 

> Hello? ?That's POISONOUS nut! 
> 
> Wolverines - Breakfast of Champions!!!! 
> 
> GO BUCKS!! 
> -------------------------- 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org < nsrca -discussion- 
> bounces at lists. nsrca .org> 
> To: General pattern discussion < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 23:37:29 2010 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 
> 
> Buckeye - Look in the dictionary. ?It says " a worthless nut". 
> 
> Ron Van Putte 
> BS - Purdue; MS and A& AE - Michigan 
> 
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Budd Engineering wrote: 
> 
>> Hey Mark, 
>> 
>> Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available. ?I 
>> thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!! 
>> 
>> : ) 
>> 
>> (Happy New Year!!) 
>> 
>> Jerry 
>> 
>> Budd Engineering 
>> jerry @ buddengineering .com 
>> http :// www . buddengineering .com 
>> 
>> On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 
>> 
>>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril 
>>> power. ?Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I 
>>> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod 
>>> enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -------------------------- 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org < nsrca -discussion- 
>>> bounces at lists. nsrca .org> 
>>> To: General pattern discussion < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
>>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 
>>> 
>>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI . 
>>> The power doesn ?t compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no 
>>> real issue. 
>>> 
>>> Ed 
>>> 
>>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com> 
>>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM 
>>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto: nsrca - 
>>> discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ????????????????John, 
>>> ???????? 
>>> 
>>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 
>>> and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight 
>>> limit should be considered. ?This does not mean I agree, but just 
>>> for thought. 
>>> 
>>> ????????????????, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are 
>>> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't 
>>> competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4- 
>>> strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a 
>>> weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's. 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ????????Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules. 
>>> ???????? 
>>> 
>>> ????????Jon Lowe 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ????????-----Original Message----- 
>>> ????????From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com> 
>>> ????????To: nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org 
>>> ????????Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm 
>>> ????????Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ????????Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become 
>>> viable for pattern? 
>>> ????????-- 
>>> ????????Regards, 
>>> ????????Daniel McLalin 
>>> ????????____________________ 
>>> ????????Of all the things I ever 
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most! 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ???????? www .firehow.com < http :// www .firehow.com/> 
>>> ???????? www .premierbowlers.com < http :// www .premierbowlers.com/> 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ????????_______________________________________________ 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ???????? 
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>>> ???????? 
>>> ????????NSRCA-discussion at lists. nsrca .org 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ???????? http ://lists. nsrca .org/mailman/listinfo/ nsrca -discussion 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ???????? 
>>> ???????? 
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>>> ???????? http ://lists. nsrca .org/mailman/listinfo/ nsrca -discussion 
>>> ???????? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Daniel McLalin 
>>> ____________________ 
>>> Of all the things I ever 
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most! 
>>> 
>>> www .firehow.com 
>>> www .premierbowlers.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________ 
>>> 
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From cahochhalter at yahoo.com  Sat Jan  2 06:47:38 2010
From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com (Charles Hochhalter)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 15:47:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Just cur





I am jumping in a little late here, but what are the sound footprints by these gas engines. Would they make the noise requirements for Masters (only AMA class with that restriction)?
?
Chuck Hochhalter
?
>>>
>>> ????????-----Original Message-----
>>> ????????From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>> ????????To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> ????????Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>>> ????????Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>> ????????
>>> ????????
>>> ????????Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become
>>> viable for pattern?
>>> ????????--
>>> ????????Regards,
>>> ????????Daniel McLalin
>>> ????????____________________
>>> ????????Of all the things I ever
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>> ????????
>>> ????????www.firehow.com <http://www.firehow.com/>
>>> ????????www.premierbowlers.com <http://www.premierbowlers.com/>
>>> ????????
>>> ????????_______________________________________________
>>> ????????
>>> ????????
>>> ????????NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> ????????
>>> ????????NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> ????????
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>>> ????????
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>>> ????????
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>>> ????????http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> ????????
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Regards,
>>> Daniel McLalin
>>> ____________________
>>> Of all the things I ever
>>> lost....................................... I miss my mind the most!
>>>
>>> www.firehow.com
>>> www.premierbowlers.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
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From flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jan  2 07:04:10 2010
From: flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net (William C. Harden)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:04:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Yeah, but Buckeyes are nice to look at.  

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:37 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Buckeye - Look in the dictionary.  It says " a worthless nut".

Ron Van Putte
BS - Purdue; MS and A&AE - Michigan

On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:47 PM, Budd Engineering wrote:

> Hey Mark,
>
> Are those squirrels (the steroid enhanced gray ones) available.  I  
> thought they all were playing for the Buckeyes?!!
>
> : )
>
> (Happy New Year!!)
>
> Jerry
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> On Jan 1, 2010, at 6:02 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril  
>> power.  Its "green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I  
>> can only get adequate power with the heavier bulky steriod  
>> enhanced grey squirrils which make me overweight ...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.   
>> The power doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no  
>> real issue.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>
>>
>> 		John,
>> 	
>>
>> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140  
>> and it occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight  
>> limit should be considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just  
>> for thought.
>>
>> 		, electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are

>> heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't  
>> competitive any more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4- 
>> strokes and electrics to level the playing field; and I want a  
>> weight break because I added 4 oz when I put ignition on my YS's.
>> 	
>> 	Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>> 	
>>
>> 	Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>> 	-----Original Message-----
>> 	From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>> 	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 	Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>> 	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>> 	
>> 	
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From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  2 07:07:00 2010
From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:07:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Starter
In-Reply-To: <B39EAA80998F430F91AFBA21EAF0D87B@FMILaptop>
References: <5B37B51A2F184EE1B14F2A285D83EEDF@UncleJasPC><8CC58511DBB9D11-4D8C-2FE79@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com>,
	<AAA0CFB7-0A08-4EF7-88AC-693BF1D97A4E@buddengineering.com>,
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Exellent starter! Have had mine a long time. The last few years it has had a 6s A123 pack powering it. A friend described it as "obnoxiously powerful." I always ask twice if the borrower is sure their engine is not flooded.

 

Anthony
 


From: frankjuliei at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:14:48 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starter









I have one of these. Do as Jerry says- supply your own power source. The highest capacity  NiMhs available  from P.A.C.  were weak from the get go- so the owner(?) ?Johnson ? reluctantly  took them back. I replaced them with two 3300 NiMhs- better,  but still not great. They require frequent recharges and after 2-3 cold  first starts, it struggles to turn my 0S140RX .   If you can , use  high capacity Nicads( cheaper- may have to enlarge  battery cradle) or Lipos. I find it also helps to keep a piece of sandpaper around to scuff up the  black rubber insert so that it doesn?t slip on the spinner - better yet,  ask for the silicone insert .
Frank
 




From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Budd Engineering
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 1:42 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starter
 
Hi Oscar,

 

I highly recommend the geared-reduction starters from Pacific AeroModel:  http://www.pacaeromodel.com/




 

I have the Portable Super Starter PAM-1002PPM, used it extensively when I flew glow, and I really liked it (still have it).  The frame below the starter that holds the batteries is made of painted plywood, you may want to fabricate your own (it's functional but devoid of any "bling" factor), and certainly you could configure it to use LiPo's if you wanted (mine had the NiMH batteries).  The starter is also available without the batteries so you can design your own support if desired.

 

At the time I bought the starter it came with a hard black rubber insert, which I immediately changed out to a clear silicone insert from Miller R/C, however it appears that the starter now comes with a silicone insert so maybe that's no longer needed.

 

I never had any problems with mine, but only used it to start inverted, highly compressed Webra 160's.  : )

 

Jerry




Budd Engineering

jerry at buddengineering.com

http://www.buddengineering.com
 


On Dec 31, 2009, at 8:54 AM, hnycmpsts at aol.com wrote:




Hi Guys,

 

Hope everyone is having a great holiday season.

 

I'm in the process of getting back into pattern after about a 5+ year absence and I'm looking for a powerfull/ compact starter that can turn a YS170.

 

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Oscar
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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Sat Jan  2 07:24:00 2010
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:24:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Chuck,

My OS160 conversion with Aeroslave pipe and APC 18.1X10 is about 92 DB measured informally(Iphone app) on the starting stand at LARKS.  So should be easily legal.  

G
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I am jumping in a little late here, but what are the sound footprints by these gas engines. Would they make the noise requirements for Masters (only AMA class with that restriction)?
?
Chuck Hochhalter
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>>> ????????To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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From CHV69 at aol.com  Sat Jan  2 07:28:27 2010
From: CHV69 at aol.com (CHV69 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:28:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
Message-ID: <c0c.73d2babc.3870ce6f@aol.com>

The Iphone app will only register 92 DB even though the scale might show it 
 would read more. I am unable to get my Iphone to register anything more 
then  92
 
Carl
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2010 11:24:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
glmiller3 at suddenlink.net writes:

Chuck,

My OS160 conversion with Aeroslave pipe and APC  18.1X10 is about 92 DB 
measured informally(Iphone app) on the starting stand  at LARKS.  So should be 
easily legal.  

G
---- Charles  Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com> wrote: 

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Just  cur





I am jumping in a little late here, but what are  the sound footprints by 
these gas engines. Would they make the noise  requirements for Masters (only 
AMA class with that  restriction)?

Chuck  Hochhalter

>>>
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>>>  From: Daniel McLalin  <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>>  To:  nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>  Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41  pm
>>>         Subject:  [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Maybe if the weight limit was  raised gas engines would become
>>> viable for  pattern?
>>>  --
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>>>  Daniel McLalin
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>>> lost....................................... I miss my  mind the most!
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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Sat Jan  2 11:44:37 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 20:44:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus II
Message-ID: <EE8D0E93E73A4254A7AD63E23E5B7B63@toshibauser>

Anyone remember what the down thrust should be on a Focus II?

 

I'm setting one up for electric.  I installed the motor so the spinner back
plate matches the front of the cowl.  When I measured it the down thrust was
3 deg.

 

That sounded like a lot to me?

 

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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Sat Jan  2 12:27:32 2010
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2010 21:27:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
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Interesting, Carl, My Iphone registers 100 db + on some 1/4 scale gassers at our field.

G
---- CHV69 at aol.com wrote: 

=============
The Iphone app will only register 92 DB even though the scale might show it 
 would read more. I am unable to get my Iphone to register anything more 
then  92
 
Carl
 
 
In a message dated 1/2/2010 11:24:50 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
glmiller3 at suddenlink.net writes:

Chuck,

My OS160 conversion with Aeroslave pipe and APC  18.1X10 is about 92 DB 
measured informally(Iphone app) on the starting stand  at LARKS.  So should be 
easily legal.  

G
---- Charles  Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com> wrote: 

=============
Just  cur





I am jumping in a little late here, but what are  the sound footprints by 
these gas engines. Would they make the noise  requirements for Masters (only 
AMA class with that  restriction)?

Chuck  Hochhalter

>>>
>>>  -----Original  Message-----
>>>  From: Daniel McLalin  <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>>>  To:  nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>  Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41  pm
>>>         Subject:  [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Maybe if the weight limit was  raised gas engines would become
>>> viable for  pattern?
>>>  --
>>>  Regards,
>>>  Daniel McLalin
>>>  ____________________
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>>> lost....................................... I miss my  mind the most!
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sat Jan  2 19:01:11 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 04:01:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus II
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Sounds like a lot to me too. A setup of ? degree down thrust, ? positive on
the wing, and 0 degrees on the stab will work on pretty much anything. The
Integral I flew last year had that force arrangement (not stock) and it was
the best flying plane I?ve ever had.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 3:45 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus II

 

Anyone remember what the down thrust should be on a Focus II?

 

I?m setting one up for electric.  I installed the motor so the spinner back
plate matches the front of the cowl.  When I measured it the down thrust was
3 deg.

 

That sounded like a lot to me?

 

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From ronlock at comcast.net  Sun Jan  3 04:46:53 2010
From: ronlock at comcast.net (ronlock at comcast.net)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 13:46:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus II Thrust Angle
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Per discussion with Dave Guerin 1 degree down, 3 1/2 degrees right. 

Ron Lockhart 

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Anyone remember what the down thrust should be on a Focus II? 



I?m setting one up for electric. I installed the motor so the spinner back plate matches the front of the cowl. When I measured it the down thrust was 3 deg. 



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From rforbus at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  3 05:21:55 2010
From: rforbus at hotmail.com (Randy Forbus)
Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2010 14:21:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus II
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I believe when the motor box is installed it sets the side thrust and down thrust it is that way on mine, so 3 degrees sounds about right
 


From: rcpilot at wowway.com
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Focus II





Anyone remember what the down thrust should be on a Focus II?
 
I?m setting one up for electric.  I installed the motor so the spinner back plate matches the front of the cowl.  When I measured it the down thrust was 3 deg.
 
That sounded like a lot to me?
 
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From rickwallace45 at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:21:05 2010
From: rickwallace45 at gmail.com (richard wallace)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:21:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2010 Nats dates detail?
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Hi -
Understand the Pattern Nats will be Sunday July 18 - Thursday July 22; any
detail on the daily schedule yet? Didn't see anything on this on the AMA
site or at NSRCA.US...

Specifically, will competition rounds begin on Sunday 7/18 or Monday 7/19?
Finals scheduled for 7/22? (We prospective judges need to make plans..!)

Thanks!
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Jan  4 08:46:26 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:46:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2010 Nats dates detail?
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Sunday the 18th is checkin/judging clinic/pilots' meeting.  Monday/  
Tuesday/Wednesday is prelims.  Thursday is Finals.

Ron VP

On Jan 4, 2010, at 11:21 AM, richard wallace wrote:

> Hi -
> Understand the Pattern Nats will be Sunday July 18 - Thursday July  
> 22; any detail on the daily schedule yet? Didn't see anything on  
> this on the AMA site or at NSRCA.US...
>
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From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 08:59:00 2010
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:59:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA Expo this
	weekend
Message-ID: <3454543c1001040958m2bde6645i1622553b532792b2@mail.gmail.com>

Happy New Year everyone!

This is a reminder for all those that plan on attending the AMA Expo this
coming weekend.  We've got our annual district 7 NSRCA meeting scheduled for
Saturday afternoon at 1:15pm.  Since this is not a new rules year we are not
holding a judging seminar but there is a lot to talk about - I'd really like
to get feedback on the rules proposals that have been submitted to the AMA
plus I'd like to talk about the results of the survey that was mailed out in
late November.

Information on the current rules proposals are available at the AMA website
at:

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx

Results of the survey will be made available on the NSRCA website this week
some time.

Hopefully you can attend - I don't think the meeting will take too long -
perhaps 2 hours at the most and then you can get back to your shopping.

-Derek
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Mon Jan  4 09:02:36 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:02:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2010 Nats dates detail?
In-Reply-To: <BA6E721B-A0D0-4E0A-98F4-902A2C219EDF@cox.net>
References: <c8a7c8ec1001040921g9ac9303lfe8ce6b543888be@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA6E721B-A0D0-4E0A-98F4-902A2C219EDF@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4B422D3B.6040107@canisius.edu>

On 1/4/2010 12:47 PM, Ron Van Putte wrote:

> Sunday the 18th is checkin/judging clinic/pilots' meeting.  Monday/
> Tuesday/Wednesday is prelims. Thursday is Finals.

>> Understand the Pattern Nats will be Sunday July 18 - Thursday July 22;

I've put this on the front page.

We can add more content and links if any are available.

				Marty

From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Mon Jan  4 09:06:44 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:06:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA Expo
	thisweekend
In-Reply-To: <3454543c1001040958m2bde6645i1622553b532792b2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3454543c1001040958m2bde6645i1622553b532792b2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <048C1A9A0DC44E84ABC9C972695729AA@Tony>

I will be out there as AMA District 5 VP, and I will plan on attending the
meeting.

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Derek
Koopowitz
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:59 PM
To: General pattern discussion; dist7 at nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA Expo
thisweekend

 

Happy New Year everyone!

 

This is a reminder for all those that plan on attending the AMA Expo this
coming weekend.  We've got our annual district 7 NSRCA meeting scheduled for
Saturday afternoon at 1:15pm.  Since this is not a new rules year we are not
holding a judging seminar but there is a lot to talk about - I'd really like
to get feedback on the rules proposals that have been submitted to the AMA
plus I'd like to talk about the results of the survey that was mailed out in
late November.

 

Information on the current rules proposals are available at the AMA website
at:

 

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx

 

Results of the survey will be made available on the NSRCA website this week
some time.

 

Hopefully you can attend - I don't think the meeting will take too long -
perhaps 2 hours at the most and then you can get back to your shopping.

 

-Derek

 

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From rob at koolsoft.com  Mon Jan  4 09:11:08 2010
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:11:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA
	Expothisweekend
In-Reply-To: <048C1A9A0DC44E84ABC9C972695729AA@Tony>
References: <3454543c1001040958m2bde6645i1622553b532792b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<048C1A9A0DC44E84ABC9C972695729AA@Tony>
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E64CEF@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

Tony, you do realize there will be a fee for any D7 secrets disclosed to
you?  :-)

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA District 7 Webmaster

-

"No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:07 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'; dist7 at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA
Expothisweekend

 

I will be out there as AMA District 5 VP, and I will plan on attending
the meeting.

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

________________________________

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Derek
Koopowitz
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:59 PM
To: General pattern discussion; dist7 at nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA Expo
thisweekend

 

Happy New Year everyone!

 

This is a reminder for all those that plan on attending the AMA Expo
this coming weekend.  We've got our annual district 7 NSRCA meeting
scheduled for Saturday afternoon at 1:15pm.  Since this is not a new
rules year we are not holding a judging seminar but there is a lot to
talk about - I'd really like to get feedback on the rules proposals that
have been submitted to the AMA plus I'd like to talk about the results
of the survey that was mailed out in late November.

 

Information on the current rules proposals are available at the AMA
website at:

 

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx

 

Results of the survey will be made available on the NSRCA website this
week some time.

 

Hopefully you can attend - I don't think the meeting will take too long
- perhaps 2 hours at the most and then you can get back to your
shopping.

 

-Derek

 

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Mon Jan  4 09:17:16 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:17:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the
	AMAExpothisweekend
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E64CEF@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
References: <3454543c1001040958m2bde6645i1622553b532792b2@mail.gmail.com><048C1A9A0DC44E84ABC9C972695729AA@Tony>
	<F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E64CEF@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <12BB882B584249708D2EBC8A6E6614E7@Tony>

Secrets?  NOW you will really get everyone to show up!!!

LOL

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L.
Beaubien
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the
AMAExpothisweekend

 

Tony, you do realize there will be a fee for any D7 secrets disclosed to
you?  :-)

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA District 7 Webmaster

-

"No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large number
of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:07 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'; dist7 at nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA
Expothisweekend

 

I will be out there as AMA District 5 VP, and I will plan on attending the
meeting.

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Derek
Koopowitz
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 12:59 PM
To: General pattern discussion; dist7 at nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA Expo
thisweekend

 

Happy New Year everyone!

 

This is a reminder for all those that plan on attending the AMA Expo this
coming weekend.  We've got our annual district 7 NSRCA meeting scheduled for
Saturday afternoon at 1:15pm.  Since this is not a new rules year we are not
holding a judging seminar but there is a lot to talk about - I'd really like
to get feedback on the rules proposals that have been submitted to the AMA
plus I'd like to talk about the results of the survey that was mailed out in
late November.

 

Information on the current rules proposals are available at the AMA website
at:

 

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx

 

Results of the survey will be made available on the NSRCA website this week
some time.

 

Hopefully you can attend - I don't think the meeting will take too long -
perhaps 2 hours at the most and then you can get back to your shopping.

 

-Derek

 

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From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Mon Jan  4 09:33:13 2010
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 18:33:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA Expo
	thisweekend
In-Reply-To: <048C1A9A0DC44E84ABC9C972695729AA@Tony>
References: <3454543c1001040958m2bde6645i1622553b532792b2@mail.gmail.com>
	<048C1A9A0DC44E84ABC9C972695729AA@Tony>
Message-ID: <3454543c1001041033o5262416fv30394f7327d212eb@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent - we look forward to getting your input.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

>  I will be out there as AMA District 5 VP, and I will plan on attending
> the meeting.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Derek Koopowitz
> *Sent:* Monday, January 04, 2010 12:59 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion; dist7 at nsrca.org
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] NSRCA District 7 meeting at the AMA Expo
> thisweekend
>
>
>
> Happy New Year everyone!
>
>
>
> This is a reminder for all those that plan on attending the AMA Expo this
> coming weekend.  We've got our annual district 7 NSRCA meeting scheduled for
> Saturday afternoon at 1:15pm.  Since this is not a new rules year we are not
> holding a judging seminar but there is a lot to talk about - I'd really like
> to get feedback on the rules proposals that have been submitted to the AMA
> plus I'd like to talk about the results of the survey that was mailed out in
> late November.
>
>
>
> Information on the current rules proposals are available at the AMA website
> at:
>
>
>
> http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/rcaerobatics.aspx
>
>
>
> Results of the survey will be made available on the NSRCA website this week
> some time.
>
>
>
> Hopefully you can attend - I don't think the meeting will take too long -
> perhaps 2 hours at the most and then you can get back to your shopping.
>
>
>
> -Derek
>
>
>
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From patterndude at tx.rr.com  Mon Jan  4 10:59:09 2010
From: patterndude at tx.rr.com (patterndude at tx.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 19:59:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E068@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E068@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <970507500-1262635146-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-764338328-@bda261.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

This topic has been discussed 3 times on this list, also on RCU and also in the contest board. Clearly this is an important topic and one with great energy. I appreciate you are one of the few that's been able to contribute in all of these discussions, even where the same information is rehashed. 
   I'm sure the gentleman did not know he was bringing up a well worn topic at the time but can laugh about it now
Lance
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

-----Original Message-----
From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 22:07:29 
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Its been brought to my attention that the person who re-initiated this topic is new.  I have to apologize. It was not my intent to offend or seem condescending in my reply. I was just trying to have a little fun with the topic since its been discussed so intently in the past. 

Please accept my apologies. 

-Mark


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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 22:13:03 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Sorry for being too brief ? 

 

EDF is Electric Ducted Fan.

 

Dave (Lockhart)

 

 

 

________________________________

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 10:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

 

Dave,

 

Someone has to ask first.  Probably you are waiting now.  What is EDF?  

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 1, 2010 8:58:03 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Turbines could be cool!!!!  How about EDF??

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 9:41 PM
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

I tried flying squirrels but after numerous labor conflicts over who gets to
do the flying I was forced to make an executive decision and make a change.


Unfortunately the pecan/stick method, while providing adequate power, was
unsustainable for long sequences. Moreover, only the steroid squirrels were
able to endure the back to back practice flights without shorting their
overall life cycle. 

Anyone wanna try a Turbine?
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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 01 21:45:19 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

You need to use pecans not steroids. Squirrels will do anything for 
pecans and the only additional weight penalty is one pecan on a stick. 
Of course you do need to reward the squirrel with extras after the 
flight which does not count against your weight limit. Also a switch to 
flying squirrels would be a plus. Then you actually get some lift from 
from your propulsion unit.

Atwood, Mark wrote:
> I think we ought to make a weight change to encourage squirril power.  Its
"green" with biodegradable emissions, but right now I can only get adequate
power with the heavier bulky steriod enhanced grey squirrils which make me
overweight ... 
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 01 20:47:46 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
> Making weight with an SAP-180 is easier than with a YS 170 CDI.  The power
doesn't compare, but from a weight perspective, it's no real issue.
>  
> Ed
>
> From: Daniel McLalin <mailto:dmclalin at gmail.com>  
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 8:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>
>
>                 John,
>         
>  
> I just happened to read the discussion on RCU about the SAP 140 and it
occurred to me that maybe this is why raising the weight limit should be
considered.  This does not mean I agree, but just for thought.
>
>                 , electrics want a weight break because their fuel tanks are
heavy but their fuel is light; because two strokes aren't competitive any
more we ought to have a high minimum weight for 4-strokes and electrics to
level the playing field; and I want a weight break because I added 4 oz when
I put ignition on my YS's.
>         
>         Pandora's box is no problem compared to changing pattern rules.
>         
>
>         Jon Lowe
>
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From: Daniel McLalin <dmclalin at gmail.com>
>         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         Sent: Fri, Jan 1, 2010 5:41 pm
>         Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
>         
>         
>         Maybe if the weight limit was raised gas engines would become viable
for pattern?
>         -- 
>         Regards,
>         Daniel McLalin
>         ____________________
>         Of all the things I ever lost.......................................
I miss my mind the most! 
>         
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From jaqfly at prodigy.net  Mon Jan  4 12:56:59 2010
From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn)
Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 21:56:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2010 Nats dates detail?
In-Reply-To: <4B422D3B.6040107@canisius.edu>
References: <c8a7c8ec1001040921g9ac9303lfe8ce6b543888be@mail.gmail.com>
	<BA6E721B-A0D0-4E0A-98F4-902A2C219EDF@cox.net>
	<4B422D3B.6040107@canisius.edu>
Message-ID: <728661.84827.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Nice work Marty!
?Jim Quinn 




________________________________
From: "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski at canisius.edu>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, January 4, 2010 1:02:35 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2010 Nats dates detail?

On 1/4/2010 12:47 PM, Ron Van Putte wrote:

> Sunday the 18th is checkin/judging clinic/pilots' meeting.? Monday/
> Tuesday/Wednesday is prelims. Thursday is Finals.

>> Understand the Pattern Nats will be Sunday July 18 - Thursday July 22;

I've put this on the front page.

We can add more content and links if any are available.

??? ??? ??? ??? Marty
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 19:15:40 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:15:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS 160 DZ Bearings
In-Reply-To: <1881944793.6156341262664816896.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <917907127.6157161262664938658.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



I need to replace bearings.? I got a nice coupon from Boca Bearings.? I wonder if makes sense.? They offer two different kits.? Suggestions and experience using these bearings are welcome. 



Check this web site: 



http :// www . bocabearings .com/main1. aspx ?p= quicksearchkit &cat=2 



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From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com  Tue Jan  5 04:04:26 2010
From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:04:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
Message-ID: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>

All PACSS Users,

 

I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of the
changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, schedules
easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are the Organizations
and associated schedules that are being used today. I have the SPA and
Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if they are changing in
2010 so updated schedules from those two organizations would be helpful.

 

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated    

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 04:32:23 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:32:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
Message-ID: <20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>

Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably 
change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to 
you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules 
ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it reduce 
your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is 
THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>Content-Language: en-us
>
>All PACSS Users,
>
>I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One 
>of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / 
>FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know 
>what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being 
>used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year but 
>don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules from 
>those two organizations would be helpful.
>
>Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>
>
>Gene Maurice
>gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>Dallas, GA
>AMA 3408
>NSRCA 877
>PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c  
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 04:43:04 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 13:43:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
Message-ID: <4B4341D1.3090305@comcast.net>

Gene,

Here's a link to the Australian patterns in use for 2010/2011 on the 
Australian Pattern Association website.

http://www.australianpatternassociation.com.au/index2.html

John

Gene Maurice wrote:
>
> All PACSS Users,
>
>  
>
> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of 
> the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, 
> schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are 
> the Organizations and associated schedules that are being used today. 
> I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if 
> they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules from those two 
> organizations would be helpful.
>
>  
>
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated    
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Gene Maurice
>
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>
> Dallas, GA
>
> AMA 3408
>
> NSRCA 877
>
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
>  
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com  Tue Jan  5 05:02:20 2010
From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 14:02:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
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	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
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Phil,

 

You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" tab,
"Schedules" button.

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

 

Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably change it
for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to you.  How 'bout just
making an app to let us update the schedules ourselves.  Would that be too
much work for you, or would it reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is THE
scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:



Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
Content-Language: en-us

All PACSS Users,
 
I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of the
changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, schedules
easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are the Organizations
and associated schedules that are being used today. I have the SPA and
Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if they are changing in
2010 so updated schedules from those two organizations would be helpful.
 
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated    
 
 
Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
       URL: http://www.kcrctn.com <http://www.kcrctn.com/> 
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
      My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
      (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c 

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From jgghome at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 06:45:50 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 15:45:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
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Message-ID: <4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>

Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between 401 and 
409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/FAI schedules 
in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county. Wouldn't you lose your 
modified schedules with a PACSS update?

I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can be 
used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or domestic. If 
you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks around the world that 
would keep their version up to date and send you the file for inclusion 
in updates.

Here's the url for the current British patterns:   
http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote:
>
> Phil,
>
>  
>
> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" tab, 
> "Schedules" button.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Gene Maurice
>
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>
> Dallas, GA
>
> AMA 3408
>
> NSRCA 877
>
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil 
> Spelt
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Cc:* Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>  
>
> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>
> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably 
> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to 
> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules 
> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it reduce 
> your work every couple of years?
>
> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is THE 
> scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>
> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
> Content-Language: en-us
>
> All PACSS Users,
>  
> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of 
> the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, 
> schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are 
> the Organizations and associated schedules that are being used today. 
> I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if 
> they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules from those two 
> organizations would be helpful.
>  
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated   
>  
>  
> Gene Maurice
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
> Dallas, GA
> AMA 3408
> NSRCA 877
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>  
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
> */-->/**/ There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>
> /*Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
> <http://www.kcrctn.com/>AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> <http://mywebpages.comcast.net/%7Echuenkan/>      (865) 435-1476 v  
> (865) 604-0541 c
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 07:01:58 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:01:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
	<002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>
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I would certainly provide the SPA schedules (shedules, for you 
Brits...), Gene...

At 10:45 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>Gene,
>The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between 401 
>and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/FAI 
>schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county. Wouldn't 
>you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>
>I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can be 
>used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or domestic. 
>If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks around the 
>world that would keep their version up to date and send you the file 
>for inclusion in updates.
>
>Here's the url for the current British 
>patterns: 
><http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm>http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>
>John
>
>Gene Maurice wrote:
>>Phil,
>>
>>You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" 
>>tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>Gene Maurice
>><mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>Dallas, GA
>>AMA 3408
>>NSRCA 877
>>PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>From: 
>><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>>To: General pattern discussion
>>Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>>The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably 
>>change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to 
>>you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules 
>>ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it reduce 
>>your work every couple of years?
>>
>>We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is 
>>THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>>At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>>Content-Language: en-us
>>
>>All PACSS Users,
>>
>>I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One 
>>of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / 
>>FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know 
>>what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being 
>>used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year 
>>but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules 
>>from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>>Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>>Gene Maurice
>><mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>Dallas, GA
>>AMA 3408
>>NSRCA 877
>>PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>><mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>>Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>        URL: <http://www.kcrctn.com/>http://www.kcrctn.com
>>AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>       My URL: 
>> <http://mywebpages.comcast.net/%7Echuenkan/>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>><mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c  
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 07:40:27 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:40:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
Message-ID: <BB8C3061-3C53-4805-AAC7-973945390A2A@socal.rr.com>

I was wondering if the experts set up an aileron rate set to give the desired roll rate with full stick deflection for certain maneuvers like three rolls in opposite direction.  Seems like it might be the only way to get consistent matched roll rates.  Then again it might not work if you weren't always at the same airspeed.  What's the consensus?

Jim O

From Andrew.Jesky at soaringsoftware.com  Tue Jan  5 07:45:06 2010
From: Andrew.Jesky at soaringsoftware.com (Andrew Jesky)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:45:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
In-Reply-To: <BB8C3061-3C53-4805-AAC7-973945390A2A@socal.rr.com>
References: <BB8C3061-3C53-4805-AAC7-973945390A2A@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6084008B82B59040B38447C69FF9903304D9BBC72A@SS2.SoaringSoftware.local>

Jim,

For me I tend to find the stick position I'm comfortable rolling with and go to all the time for the rolls. For me its usually around 1/2 of the total stick movement. That way if there is a strong wind and I'm crammed in the box I can speed up the rolls and not get them off center. I know some like to roll with the stick at full deflection like you mentioned. I think in the end its what your comfortable with. 

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:40 AM
To: List Mailing NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates

I was wondering if the experts set up an aileron rate set to give the desired roll rate with full stick deflection for certain maneuvers like three rolls in opposite direction.  Seems like it might be the only way to get consistent matched roll rates.  Then again it might not work if you weren't always at the same airspeed.  What's the consensus?

Jim O
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From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com  Tue Jan  5 07:57:30 2010
From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 16:57:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>	<002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
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John,

 

401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the class /
schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class / schedule numbers. Go
figure. You can make those identifiers anything you want, at Contest Setup
it asks you to "Name" the classes. You can also assign any schedule to any
class in your contest. The way the system works today is that by default it
assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the contest. 

 

Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and the
schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without deleting the
AMA schedule by simply assigning a different effective date and then change
the schedule assigned to the class in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
will be to add and Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC,
etc.. in addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that
organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule. 

 

Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that converts
the existing user data to whatever that new file format is. It is my intent
to do that this time also. I will do everything I can to preserve any custom
data. 

 

Hope this helps.....

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

 

Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between 401 and
409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/FAI schedules in
order to set up for SPA or a foreign county. Wouldn't you lose your modified
schedules with a PACSS update?

I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can be used to
input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or domestic. If you provide
the layout, there are plenty of folks around the world that would keep their
version up to date and send you the file for inclusion in updates.

Here's the url for the current British patterns:
http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote: 

Phil,

 

You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" tab,
"Schedules" button.

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

 

Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably change it
for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to you.  How 'bout just
making an app to let us update the schedules ourselves.  Would that be too
much work for you, or would it reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is THE
scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:




Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
Content-Language: en-us

All PACSS Users,
 
I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of the
changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, schedules
easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are the Organizations
and associated schedules that are being used today. I have the SPA and
Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if they are changing in
2010 so updated schedules from those two organizations would be helpful.
 
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated    
 
 
Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
       URL: http://www.kcrctn.com <http://www.kcrctn.com/> 
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
      My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
<http://mywebpages.comcast.net/%7Echuenkan/> 
      (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c 

 



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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 08:05:47 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:05:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
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	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
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Message-ID: <20100105170546.BD92B11624@bridi.netexpress.com>

Actually, Gene is correct -- we can maintain our SPA schedules in the 
SPA version of PACSS.  I had forgotten, and was remembering trying to 
enter SPA maneuvers into the 401-409 categories of the original 
version of AMA-PACSS...

At 10:45 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>Gene,
>The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between 401 
>and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/FAI 
>schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county. Wouldn't 
>you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>
>I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can be 
>used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or domestic. 
>If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks around the 
>world that would keep their version up to date and send you the file 
>for inclusion in updates.
>
>Here's the url for the current British 
>patterns: 
><http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm>http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>
>John
>
>Gene Maurice wrote:
>>Phil,
>>
>>You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" 
>>tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>Gene Maurice
>><mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>Dallas, GA
>>AMA 3408
>>NSRCA 877
>>PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>From: 
>><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>>To: General pattern discussion
>>Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>>The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably 
>>change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to 
>>you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules 
>>ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it reduce 
>>your work every couple of years?
>>
>>We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is 
>>THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>>At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>>Content-Language: en-us
>>
>>All PACSS Users,
>>
>>I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One 
>>of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / 
>>FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know 
>>what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being 
>>used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year 
>>but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules 
>>from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>>Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>>Gene Maurice
>><mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>Dallas, GA
>>AMA 3408
>>NSRCA 877
>>PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>><mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>>Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>        URL: <http://www.kcrctn.com/>http://www.kcrctn.com
>>AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>       My URL: 
>> <http://mywebpages.comcast.net/%7Echuenkan/>http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>><mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c  
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From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com  Tue Jan  5 08:54:41 2010
From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 17:54:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
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Phil,

 

There is no difference from the "AMA" version to the "SPA" version, I just
did all of those thing I just mentioned. I made it a little easier by
getting rid of the AMA schedules. So other that changing data and a few
minor tweaks so that is says "SPA", the two "systems" are the same. 

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:06 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

 

Actually, Gene is correct -- we can maintain our SPA schedules in the SPA
version of PACSS.  I had forgotten, and was remembering trying to enter SPA
maneuvers into the 401-409 categories of the original version of
AMA-PACSS...

At 10:45 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:



Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between 401 and
409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/FAI schedules in
order to set up for SPA or a foreign county. Wouldn't you lose your modified
schedules with a PACSS update?

I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can be used to
input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or domestic. If you provide
the layout, there are plenty of folks around the world that would keep their
version up to date and send you the file for inclusion in updates.

Here's the url for the current British patterns:
http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote: 



Phil,
 
You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" tab,
"Schedules" button.
 
 
Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
 
 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [
<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably change it
for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to you.  How 'bout just
making an app to let us update the schedules ourselves.  Would that be too
much work for you, or would it reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is THE
scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
Content-Language: en-us

All PACSS Users,
 
I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of the
changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, schedules
easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are the Organizations
and associated schedules that are being used today. I have the SPA and
Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if they are changing in
2010 so updated schedules from those two organizations would be helpful.
 
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated    
 
 
Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
       URL: http://www.kcrctn.com <http://www.kcrctn.com/> 
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
      My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
<http://mywebpages.comcast.net/%7Echuenkan/> 
      (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c 

 
 
 
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
 <mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
 <http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> 
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
       URL: http://www.kcrctn.com <http://www.kcrctn.com/> 
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
      My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
      (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c 

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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Tue Jan  5 09:16:05 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:16:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
In-Reply-To: <BB8C3061-3C53-4805-AAC7-973945390A2A@socal.rr.com>
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NOT an expert.   But I do not.  I need to be able to feel and adjust the roll rate based on the head wind, where I am in the box for centering, etc.  If I get rushed I need to able to roll faster, if I'm out and dead calm I can slow it waaaay down.  And rolling right vs left never seems to be the same either, so that seems to be a feel thing as well.

You need Jason to chime in though to get an opinion from someone that actually scores well on that maneuver :):)

-Mark

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:40 AM
To: List Mailing NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates

I was wondering if the experts set up an aileron rate set to give the desired roll rate with full stick deflection for certain maneuvers like three rolls in opposite direction.  Seems like it might be the only way to get consistent matched roll rates.  Then again it might not work if you weren't always at the same airspeed.  What's the consensus?

Jim O
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Tue Jan  5 10:08:36 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:08:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
References: <BB8C3061-3C53-4805-AAC7-973945390A2A@socal.rr.com>
	<6084008B82B59040B38447C69FF9903304D9BBC72A@SS2.SoaringSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <86C6EA73282749D8A1431F611CE1A98A@glazecstp32xp>

To me, (and, I don't consider myself an expert) the roll rate definitely 
changes with airspeed, for a series of rolls.  Faster airspeed = faster roll 
rate, all else equal.  After Dave Guerin pointed out the following fact, I 
found he was exactly right:  If you're rolling to the right, subsequent 
rolls are at a slower rate.  If rolling to the left, the airplane seems to 
"wrap up" and roll faster, for the second and faster yet for the third.  If 
you're on the stops, you can't vary the control input to make constant the 
roll rate.  (I'm on the stops, and just settle for what I can get!)
Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Jesky" <Andrew.Jesky at soaringsoftware.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates


> Jim,
>
> For me I tend to find the stick position I'm comfortable rolling with and 
> go to all the time for the rolls. For me its usually around 1/2 of the 
> total stick movement. That way if there is a strong wind and I'm crammed 
> in the box I can speed up the rolls and not get them off center. I know 
> some like to roll with the stick at full deflection like you mentioned. I 
> think in the end its what your comfortable with.
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James 
> Oddino
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:40 AM
> To: List Mailing NSRCA
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
>
> I was wondering if the experts set up an aileron rate set to give the 
> desired roll rate with full stick deflection for certain maneuvers like 
> three rolls in opposite direction.  Seems like it might be the only way to 
> get consistent matched roll rates.  Then again it might not work if you 
> weren't always at the same airspeed.  What's the consensus?
>
> Jim O
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 10:35:17 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:35:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
In-Reply-To: <6084008B82B59040B38447C69FF9903304D9BBC72A@SS2.SoaringSoftware.local>
References: <BB8C3061-3C53-4805-AAC7-973945390A2A@socal.rr.com>
	<6084008B82B59040B38447C69FF9903304D9BBC72A@SS2.SoaringSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <9A50A6EFC07F4BD1A966AD81158CF72A@UncleJasPC>

I only use low rates for 1 roll circles and that's only if I remember. Otherwise it's high rates with 60% expo. About 1/2 stick is a 
slow-ish roll rate

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Jesky" <Andrew.Jesky at soaringsoftware.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates


> Jim,
>
> For me I tend to find the stick position I'm comfortable rolling with and go to all the time for the rolls. For me its usually 
> around 1/2 of the total stick movement. That way if there is a strong wind and I'm crammed in the box I can speed up the rolls and 
> not get them off center. I know some like to roll with the stick at full deflection like you mentioned. I think in the end its 
> what your comfortable with.
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:40 AM
> To: List Mailing NSRCA
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
>
> I was wondering if the experts set up an aileron rate set to give the desired roll rate with full stick deflection for certain 
> maneuvers like three rolls in opposite direction.  Seems like it might be the only way to get consistent matched roll rates.  Then 
> again it might not work if you weren't always at the same airspeed.  What's the consensus?
>
> Jim O
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 10:35:48 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:35:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
In-Reply-To: <6084008B82B59040B38447C69FF9903304D9BBC72A@SS2.SoaringSoftware.local>
References: <BB8C3061-3C53-4805-AAC7-973945390A2A@socal.rr.com>
	<6084008B82B59040B38447C69FF9903304D9BBC72A@SS2.SoaringSoftware.local>
Message-ID: <C01D7E34E12F4015B4550B53AE16DCC7@UncleJasPC>

I only use low rates for 1 roll circles and that's only if I remember. Otherwise it's high rates with 60% expo. I do as the Nats 
champ does, about 1/2 stick is a slow-ish roll rate.

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew Jesky" <Andrew.Jesky at soaringsoftware.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates


> Jim,
>
> For me I tend to find the stick position I'm comfortable rolling with and go to all the time for the rolls. For me its usually
> around 1/2 of the total stick movement. That way if there is a strong wind and I'm crammed in the box I can speed up the rolls and
> not get them off center. I know some like to roll with the stick at full deflection like you mentioned. I think in the end its
> what your comfortable with.
>
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:40 AM
> To: List Mailing NSRCA
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
>
> I was wondering if the experts set up an aileron rate set to give the desired roll rate with full stick deflection for certain
> maneuvers like three rolls in opposite direction.  Seems like it might be the only way to get consistent matched roll rates.  Then
> again it might not work if you weren't always at the same airspeed.  What's the consensus?
>
> Jim O
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> _______________________________________________
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Tue Jan  5 11:52:08 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 20:52:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <005401ca8e30$27658720$76309560$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>	<002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$@maurice@sgmservice.com>	<4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>	<20100105170546.BD92B11624@bridi.netexpress.com>
	<005401ca8e30$27658720$76309560$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
Message-ID: <4B43A660.3010802@comcast.net>


I've attached translations of the French pattern sequences for their 
lower classes. Translating was fun. Normal French is one thing but I had 
no idea about maneuver names. Some were obvious, others not so.
They do start at a higher maneuver level than we do in the entry class. 
Advancement is Promotion, A, B, F3a. The only pattern with actual scored 
takeoff/landings is the entry class(Promotion). Also,there are no breaks 
from the turnaround. The "A" schedule is roughly comparable to the 
Advanced pattern and "B" is somewhat easier than Masters since it is a 
prep class for F3a.

In any case, this is the system that is currently generating the number 
1 and 2 in the world.

John

Gene Maurice wrote:
>
> Phil,
>
>  
>
> There is no difference from the "AMA" version to the "SPA" version, I 
> just did all of those thing I just mentioned. I made it a little 
> easier by getting rid of the AMA schedules. So other that changing 
> data and a few minor tweaks so that is says "SPA", the two "systems" 
> are the same.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Gene Maurice
>
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>
> Dallas, GA
>
> AMA 3408
>
> NSRCA 877
>
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil 
> Spelt
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2010 12:06 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>  
>
> Actually, Gene is correct -- we can maintain our SPA schedules in the 
> SPA version of PACSS.  I had forgotten, and was remembering trying to 
> enter SPA maneuvers into the 401-409 categories of the original 
> version of AMA-PACSS...
>
> At 10:45 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>
> Gene,
> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between 401 
> and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/FAI 
> schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county. Wouldn't you 
> lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>
> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can be 
> used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or domestic. If 
> you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks around the world 
> that would keep their version up to date and send you the file for 
> inclusion in updates.
>
> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   
> http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>
> John
>
> Gene Maurice wrote:
>
> Phil,
>  
> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" tab, 
> "Schedules" button.
>  
>  
> Gene Maurice
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
> Dallas, GA
> AMA 3408
> NSRCA 877
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>  
>  
>  
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [ 
> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Phil Spelt
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Cc:* Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>  
> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>
> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably 
> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to 
> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules 
> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it reduce 
> your work every couple of years?
>
> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is THE 
> scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>
> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
> Content-Language: en-us
>
> All PACSS Users,
>  
> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of 
> the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, 
> schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are 
> the Organizations and associated schedules that are being used today. 
> I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if 
> they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules from those two 
> organizations would be helpful.
>  
> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated   
>  
>  
> Gene Maurice
> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
> Dallas, GA
> AMA 3408
> NSRCA 877
> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>  
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
> */--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>
> /*Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
> <http://www.kcrctn.com/>AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> <http://mywebpages.comcast.net/%7Echuenkan/>      (865) 435-1476 v  
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>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
> <http://www.kcrctn.com/>AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  5 16:17:07 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:17:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <004301ca8e28$2a485560$7ed90020$@maurice@sgmservice.com>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$@maurice@sgmservice.com>	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>	<002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$@maurice@sgmservice.com><4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>
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Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work


From: Gene Maurice 
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion' 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade


John,

 

401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class / schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your contest. The way the system works today is that by default it assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the contest. 

 

Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule. 

 

Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do everything I can to preserve any custom data. 

 

Hope this helps.....

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

 

Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county. Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?

I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks around the world that would keep their version up to date and send you the file for inclusion in updates.

Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote: 

Phil,

 

You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" tab, "Schedules" button.

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

 

Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:




Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
Content-Language: en-us

All PACSS Users,
 
I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules from those two organizations would be helpful.
 
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated    
 
 
Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
       URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
      My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
      (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c 

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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  5 16:18:05 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 01:18:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <BLU121-DS14BCDBB476A2180928225E8720@phx.gbl>
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Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!


From: Ed Alt 
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion' 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade


Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work


From: Gene Maurice 
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion' 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade


John,

 

401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class / schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your contest. The way the system works today is that by default it assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the contest. 

 

Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule. 

 

Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do everything I can to preserve any custom data. 

 

Hope this helps.....

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

 

Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county. Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?

I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks around the world that would keep their version up to date and send you the file for inclusion in updates.

Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote: 

Phil,

 

You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance" tab, "Schedules" button.

 

 

Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

 

Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:




Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
Content-Language: en-us

All PACSS Users,
 
I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA / FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules from those two organizations would be helpful.
 
Any and all help would be greatly appreciated    
 
 
Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

--> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
       URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
      My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
      (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c 

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From schale at optonline.net  Tue Jan  5 19:00:50 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 04:00:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan  5 21:08:44 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 06:08:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
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References: <BB8C3061-3C53-4805-AAC7-973945390A2A@socal.rr.com>
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Thanks to all.  Sounds as though we all agree.  The thing that made me wonder was watching Chip.  He sure seems to have his roll rates too consistent to be true.

Jim

 
On Jan 5, 2010, at 11:35 AM, J Shu wrote:

> I only use low rates for 1 roll circles and that's only if I remember. Otherwise it's high rates with 60% expo. I do as the Nats champ does, about 1/2 stick is a slow-ish roll rate.
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Jesky" <Andrew.Jesky at soaringsoftware.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
> 
> 
>> Jim,
>> 
>> For me I tend to find the stick position I'm comfortable rolling with and go to all the time for the rolls. For me its usually
>> around 1/2 of the total stick movement. That way if there is a strong wind and I'm crammed in the box I can speed up the rolls and
>> not get them off center. I know some like to roll with the stick at full deflection like you mentioned. I think in the end its
>> what your comfortable with.
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:40 AM
>> To: List Mailing NSRCA
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Aileron dual rates
>> 
>> I was wondering if the experts set up an aileron rate set to give the desired roll rate with full stick deflection for certain
>> maneuvers like three rolls in opposite direction.  Seems like it might be the only way to get consistent matched roll rates.  Then
>> again it might not work if you weren't always at the same airspeed.  What's the consensus?
>> 
>> Jim O
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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 07:14:55 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 16:14:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4B440AE5.90907@optonline.net>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
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Message-ID: <6B915F69-B3AF-4A46-8754-CAC2413C133B@cox.net>

Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's  
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot  
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.  Couldn't figure it  
> out.  Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
> Stuart
>
> Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power  
>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>
>> From: Gene Maurice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the  
>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /  
>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers  
>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to ?Name? the  
>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your  
>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it  
>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the  
>> contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and  
>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without  
>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different  
>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class  
>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and  
>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in  
>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that  
>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>
>>
>>
>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that  
>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format  
>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do  
>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps???..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between  
>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/ 
>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.  
>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>
>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can  
>> be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or  
>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks  
>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send  
>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>
>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http:// 
>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  ?System Maintenance?  
>> tab, ?Schedules? button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably  
>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to  
>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules  
>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it  
>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>
>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is  
>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>> Content-Language: en-us
>>
>> All PACSS Users,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One  
>> of the changes is to make the use of ?foreign?, other than AMA /  
>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know  
>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being  
>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year  
>> but don?t know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules  
>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>> Dallas, GA
>> AMA 3408
>> NSRCA 877
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>     _______________________________________________ NSRCA- 
>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Wed Jan  6 09:45:03 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:45:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <6B915F69-B3AF-4A46-8754-CAC2413C133B@cox.net>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
	<002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>
	<004301ca8e28$2a485560$7ed90020$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<BLU121-DS14BCDBB476A2180928225E8720@phx.gbl>
	<BLU121-DS175C974D36B6579188D9FE8720@phx.gbl>	<4B440AE5.90907@optonline.net>
	<6B915F69-B3AF-4A46-8754-CAC2413C133B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He probably knows a short cut, having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's  
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot  
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.  Couldn't figure it  
> out.  Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
> Stuart
>
> Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power  
>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>
>> From: Gene Maurice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the  
>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /  
>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers  
>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the  
>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your  
>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it  
>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the  
>> contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and  
>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without  
>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different  
>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class  
>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and  
>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in  
>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that  
>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>
>>
>>
>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that  
>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format  
>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do  
>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between  
>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/ 
>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.  
>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>
>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can  
>> be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or  
>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks  
>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send  
>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>
>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http:// 
>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance"  
>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably  
>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to  
>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules  
>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it  
>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>
>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is  
>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>> Content-Language: en-us
>>
>> All PACSS Users,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One  
>> of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA /  
>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know  
>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being  
>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year  
>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules  
>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>> Dallas, GA
>> AMA 3408
>> NSRCA 877
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>     _______________________________________________ NSRCA- 
>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

_______________________________________________
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From scott at rcfoamy.com  Wed Jan  6 09:48:32 2010
From: scott at rcfoamy.com (scott at rcfoamy.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:48:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com><20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com><002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$%maurice@sgmservice.com><4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net><004301ca8e28$2a485560$7ed90020$%maurice@sgmservice.com><BLU121-DS14BCDBB476A2180928225E8720@phx.gbl><BLU121-DS175C974D36B6579188D9FE8720@phx.gbl>	<4B440AE5.90907@optonline.net><6B915F69-B3AF-4A46-8754-CAC2413C133B@cox.net><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <1059183686-1262803708-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-419356413-@bda502.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

He might golf cart waiting  out back to use...lol
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:29:25 
To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He probably knows a short cut, having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's  
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot  
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.  Couldn't figure it  
> out.  Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
> Stuart
>
> Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power  
>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>
>> From: Gene Maurice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the  
>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /  
>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers  
>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the  
>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your  
>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it  
>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the  
>> contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and  
>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without  
>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different  
>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class  
>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and  
>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in  
>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that  
>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>
>>
>>
>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that  
>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format  
>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do  
>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between  
>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/ 
>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.  
>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>
>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can  
>> be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or  
>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks  
>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send  
>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>
>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http:// 
>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance"  
>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably  
>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to  
>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules  
>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it  
>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>
>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is  
>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>> Content-Language: en-us
>>
>> All PACSS Users,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One  
>> of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA /  
>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know  
>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being  
>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year  
>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules  
>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>> Dallas, GA
>> AMA 3408
>> NSRCA 877
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>_______________________________________________ NSRCA- 
>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  
>>_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>_______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

_______________________________________________
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From flyintexan at att.net  Wed Jan  6 09:49:07 2010
From: flyintexan at att.net (Mark Hunt)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:49:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
	<002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>
	<004301ca8e28$2a485560$7ed90020$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<BLU121-DS14BCDBB476A2180928225E8720@phx.gbl>
	<BLU121-DS175C974D36B6579188D9FE8720@phx.gbl>
	<4B440AE5.90907@optonline.net>
	<6B915F69-B3AF-4A46-8754-CAC2413C133B@cox.net>
	<99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <752469.7775.qm@web80705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

He never said the "he" would run in the race.....




________________________________
From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 12:29:25 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.? He probably knows a short cut, having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's? 
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot? 
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.? Couldn't figure it? 
> out.? Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
> Stuart
>
> Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Argh - replied to the wrong message? - sorry!
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power? 
>> supply.? When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>
>> From: Gene Maurice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the? 
>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /? 
>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers? 
>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the? 
>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your? 
>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it? 
>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the? 
>> contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID? mentioned above and? 
>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without? 
>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different? 
>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class? 
>> in Contest Setup.? Part of the upgrade will be to add and? 
>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in? 
>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that? 
>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>
>>
>>
>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that? 
>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format? 
>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do? 
>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between? 
>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/ 
>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.? 
>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>
>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can? 
>> be used to input the schedules? for any contest, foreign or? 
>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks? 
>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send? 
>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>
>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:? http:// 
>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.? "System Maintenance"? 
>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.? We will probably? 
>> change it for 2011-2012.? If we do, I'll send the new patterns to? 
>> you.? How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules? 
>> ourselves.? Would that be too much work for you, or would it? 
>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>
>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!? I believe it is? 
>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>? ? ? ? ? boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>> Content-Language: en-us
>>
>> All PACSS Users,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One? 
>> of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA /? 
>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know? 
>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being? 
>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year? 
>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules? 
>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>> Dallas, GA
>> AMA 3408
>> NSRCA 877
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>? ? ? ? URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>> AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>? ? ? My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>? ? ? (865) 435-1476 v? (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>? ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA- 
>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? 
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion? 
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:49:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
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No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't challenge him!


Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He probably knows a short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's  
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot  
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.  Couldn't figure it  
> out.  Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
> Stuart
>
> Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power  
>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>
>> From: Gene Maurice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the  
>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /  
>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers  
>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the  
>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your  
>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it  
>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the  
>> contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and  
>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without  
>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different  
>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class  
>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and  
>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in  
>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that  
>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>
>>
>>
>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that  
>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format  
>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do  
>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between  
>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/ 
>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.  
>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>
>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can  
>> be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or  
>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks  
>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send  
>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>
>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http:// 
>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance"  
>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably  
>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to  
>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules  
>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it  
>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>
>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is  
>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>> Content-Language: en-us
>>
>> All PACSS Users,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One  
>> of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA /  
>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know  
>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being  
>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year  
>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules  
>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>> Dallas, GA
>> AMA 3408
>> NSRCA 877
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>     _______________________________________________ NSRCA- 
>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

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From mklein25 at roadrunner.com  Wed Jan  6 09:58:28 2010
From: mklein25 at roadrunner.com (mklein25 at roadrunner.com)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 18:58:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <506F3A2286BE49519BC2FD09E5D87026@Tony>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com><20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com><002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$%maurice@sgmservice.com><4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net><004301ca8e28$2a485560$7ed90020$%maurice@sgmservice.com><BLU121-DS14BCDBB476A2180928225E8720@phx.gbl><BLU121-DS175C974D36B6579188D9FE8720@phx.gbl>	<4B440AE5.90907@optonline.net><6B915F69-B3AF-4A46-8754-CAC2413C133B@cox.net><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><506F3A2286BE49519BC2FD09E5D87026@Tony>
Message-ID: <1500200972-1262804305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1666548618-@bda463.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish heritage, I have been trying to find a less expensive way to charge batteries.  I have been designing a large hamster wheel to generate power, but have been looking for someone with the stamina to run in the wheel.  Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self wouldn't get but a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.

Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a fiddle.  I sure as heck am not going to take him up on his challenge.

RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster wheel is comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11 
To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't challenge him!


Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He probably knows a short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's  
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot  
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.  Couldn't figure it  
> out.  Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
> Stuart
>
> Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power  
>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>
>> From: Gene Maurice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the  
>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /  
>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers  
>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the  
>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your  
>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it  
>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the  
>> contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and  
>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without  
>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different  
>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class  
>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and  
>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in  
>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that  
>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>
>>
>>
>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that  
>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format  
>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do  
>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between  
>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/ 
>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.  
>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>
>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can  
>> be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or  
>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks  
>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send  
>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>
>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http:// 
>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance"  
>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably  
>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to  
>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules  
>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it  
>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>
>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is  
>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>> Content-Language: en-us
>>
>> All PACSS Users,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One  
>> of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA /  
>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know  
>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being  
>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year  
>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules  
>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>> Dallas, GA
>> AMA 3408
>> NSRCA 877
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>_______________________________________________ NSRCA- 
>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion  
>>_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 10:20:37 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:20:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
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OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of you whippersnackers might be able  
to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because being whipped in a  
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.

Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the design action  
on your large hamster charging wheel project.

Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule change  
long enough yet?

RVP

On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com wrote:

> That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish heritage, I have been  
> trying to find a less expensive way to charge batteries.  I have  
> been designing a large hamster wheel to generate power, but have  
> been looking for someone with the stamina to run in the wheel.   
> Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self wouldn't get but  
> a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
>
> Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
> not going to take him up on his challenge.
>
> RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster wheel is  
> comfortable?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
> To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
> No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't challenge him!
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
> Atwood, Mark
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
> Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He probably knows a  
> short cut,
> having seen that path before there was dirt...
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron  
> Van Putte
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
> Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's
> ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot
> race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.
>
> RVP
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.  Couldn't figure it
>> out.  Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
>> Stuart
>>
>> Ed Alt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!
>>>
>>> From: Ed Alt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power
>>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>>
>>> From: Gene Maurice
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the
>>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /
>>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers
>>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the
>>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your
>>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it
>>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the
>>> contest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and
>>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without
>>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different
>>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class
>>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and
>>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in
>>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that
>>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that
>>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format
>>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do
>>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene Maurice
>>>
>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>>
>>> Dallas, GA
>>>
>>> AMA 3408
>>>
>>> NSRCA 877
>>>
>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between
>>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/
>>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.
>>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>>
>>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can
>>> be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or
>>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks
>>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send
>>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>>
>>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http://
>>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>>
>>> Phil,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance"
>>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene Maurice
>>>
>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>>
>>> Dallas, GA
>>>
>>> AMA 3408
>>>
>>> NSRCA 877
>>>
>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>>
>>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably
>>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to
>>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules
>>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it
>>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>>
>>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is
>>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>>
>>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>>> Content-Language: en-us
>>>
>>> All PACSS Users,
>>>
>>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One
>>> of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA /
>>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know
>>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being
>>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year
>>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules
>>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>>
>>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene Maurice
>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>> Dallas, GA
>>> AMA 3408
>>> NSRCA 877
>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>>
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-
>>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://
>>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Wed Jan  6 10:39:47 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:39:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <F93F6E87-3CB7-4677-BE42-F06405A35CB3@cox.net>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com><20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com><002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$%maurice@sgmservice.com><4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net><004301ca8e28$2a485560$7ed90020$%maurice@sgmservice.com><BLU121-DS14BCDBB476A2180928225E8720@phx.gbl><BLU121-DS175C974D36B6579188D9FE8720@phx.gbl>
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This has huge potential (pun intended).  We can set Ron up at sight 3 where there's no electrical hook up, and everyone can just plug in.  How many watts do you think you can produce???

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:21 PM
To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of you whippersnackers might be able  
to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because being whipped in a  
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.

Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the design action  
on your large hamster charging wheel project.

Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule change  
long enough yet?

RVP

On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com wrote:

> That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish heritage, I have been  
> trying to find a less expensive way to charge batteries.  I have  
> been designing a large hamster wheel to generate power, but have  
> been looking for someone with the stamina to run in the wheel.   
> Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self wouldn't get but  
> a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
>
> Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
> not going to take him up on his challenge.
>
> RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster wheel is  
> comfortable?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
> To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
> No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't challenge him!
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
> Atwood, Mark
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
> Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He probably knows a  
> short cut,
> having seen that path before there was dirt...
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron  
> Van Putte
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
> Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's
> ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot
> race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.
>
> RVP
>
> On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.  Couldn't figure it
>> out.  Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
>> Stuart
>>
>> Ed Alt wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!
>>>
>>> From: Ed Alt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power
>>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>>
>>> From: Gene Maurice
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the
>>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /
>>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers
>>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the
>>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your
>>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it
>>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the
>>> contest.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and
>>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without
>>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different
>>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class
>>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and
>>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in
>>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that
>>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that
>>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format
>>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do
>>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.....
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene Maurice
>>>
>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>>
>>> Dallas, GA
>>>
>>> AMA 3408
>>>
>>> NSRCA 877
>>>
>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene,
>>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between
>>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/
>>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.
>>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>>
>>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can
>>> be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or
>>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks
>>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send
>>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>>
>>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http://
>>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>>
>>> Phil,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance"
>>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene Maurice
>>>
>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>>
>>> Dallas, GA
>>>
>>> AMA 3408
>>>
>>> NSRCA 877
>>>
>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>>
>>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably
>>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to
>>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules
>>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it
>>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>>
>>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is
>>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>>
>>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>>> Content-Language: en-us
>>>
>>> All PACSS Users,
>>>
>>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One
>>> of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA /
>>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know
>>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being
>>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year
>>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules
>>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>>
>>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>
>>>
>>> Gene Maurice
>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>> Dallas, GA
>>> AMA 3408
>>> NSRCA 877
>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>>
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-
>>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://
>>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion
>>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://
>>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Wed Jan  6 10:56:11 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 19:56:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
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Mike:
Ron would be able to make some Mah's for ya for sure!

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
mklein25 at roadrunner.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:59 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish heritage, I have been trying to
find a less expensive way to charge batteries.  I have been designing a
large hamster wheel to generate power, but have been looking for someone
with the stamina to run in the wheel.  Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows
my fat self wouldn't get but a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.

Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a fiddle.  I sure as heck am not going
to take him up on his challenge.

RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster wheel is comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11 
To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't challenge him!


Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He probably knows a short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment negatively on RVP's  
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be challenged to a foot  
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring trailer and back.

RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.  Couldn't figure it  
> out.  Thought it might have been a response about RVP?
> Stuart
>
> Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>>
>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  - sorry!
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Something that old is filled with dried up capacitors in the power  
>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is likely to work
>>
>> From: Gene Maurice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are used as the key to the  
>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be the AMA class /  
>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make those identifiers  
>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks you to "Name" the  
>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to any class in your  
>> contest. The way the system works today is that by default it  
>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as of the date of the  
>> contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the key to the schedules is the ID  mentioned above and  
>> the schedule effective date. You can create a new schedule without  
>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning a different  
>> effective date and then change the schedule assigned to the class  
>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade will be to add and  
>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA, MAAC, etc.. in  
>> addition then it can default to the schedule in effect for that  
>> organization but still allow you to select and assign any schedule.
>>
>>
>>
>> Every release of PACSS has included a file conversion program that  
>> converts the existing user data to whatever that new file format  
>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also. I will do  
>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only schedules between  
>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to replace the current AMA/ 
>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a foreign county.  
>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with a PACSS update?
>>
>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external text file that can  
>> be used to input the schedules  for any contest, foreign or  
>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are plenty of folks  
>> around the world that would keep their version up to date and send  
>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>
>> Here's the url for the current British patterns:   http:// 
>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> You CAN add / maintain your own schedules.  "System Maintenance"  
>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for 2010.  We will probably  
>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll send the new patterns to  
>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let us update the schedules  
>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work for you, or would it  
>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>
>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on PACSS!!!  I believe it is  
>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in the Southeast...
>>
>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>> Content-Language: en-us
>>
>> All PACSS Users,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a number modifications to PACSS. One  
>> of the changes is to make the use of "foreign", other than AMA /  
>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do this I need to know  
>> what are the Organizations and associated schedules that are being  
>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian schedules from last year  
>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so updated schedules  
>> from those two organizations would be helpful.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>> Dallas, GA
>> AMA 3408
>> NSRCA 877
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> --> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>
>>_______________________________________________ NSRCA- 
>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 11:19:32 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:19:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <F93F6E87-3CB7-4677-BE42-F06405A35CB3@cox.net>
Message-ID: <803686.16698.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
> To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
> OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
> you whippersnackers might be able? 
> to beat me.? Most are afraid to find out, because
> being whipped in a? 
> long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
> 
> Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
> design action? 
> on your large hamster charging wheel project.
> 
> Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
> change? 
> long enough yet?
> 
> RVP
> 
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
> wrote:
> 
> > That's great news Tony!? Given my Jewish
> heritage, I have been? 
> > trying to find a less expensive way to charge
> batteries.? I have? 
> > been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
> power, but have? 
> > been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
> the wheel.???
> > Looks like RVP is my man!? Lord knows my fat self
> wouldn't get but? 
> > a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
> >
> > Give RVP his due.? That man is fit as a
> fiddle.? I sure as heck am? 
> > not going to take him up on his challenge.
> >
> > RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
> wheel is? 
> > comfortable?
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
> > To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
> >
> > No, RVP is a Marathoner.....? I wouldn't
> challenge him!
> >
> >
> > Tony Stillman, President
> > Radio South, Inc.
> > 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> > Brunswick, GA? 31525
> > 1-800-962-7802
> > www.radiosouthrc.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of? 
> > Atwood, Mark
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
> >
> > Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.? He
> probably knows a? 
> > short cut,
> > having seen that path before there was dirt...
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc.? |? President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
> 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102? |? Fax:
> 440.684.3102
> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com?
> |? www.paragon-inc.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Ron? 
> > Van Putte
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
> >
> > Any participants in this discussion who comment
> negatively on RVP's
> > ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
> challenged to a foot
> > race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
> trailer and back.
> >
> > RVP
> >
> > On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
> >
> >> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.?
> Couldn't figure it
> >> out.? Thought it might have been a response
> about RVP?
> >> Stuart
> >>
> >> Ed Alt wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Argh - replied to the wrong message? -
> sorry!
> >>>
> >>> From: Ed Alt
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
> >>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
> >>>
> >>> Something that old is filled with dried up
> capacitors in the power
> >>> supply.? When they dry up, nothing is
> likely to work
> >>>
> >>> From: Gene Maurice
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
> >>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
> >>>
> >>> John,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
> used as the key to the
> >>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be
> the AMA class /
> >>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
> those identifiers
> >>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
> you to "Name" the
> >>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to
> any class in your
> >>> contest. The way the system works today is
> that by default it
> >>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
> of the date of the
> >>> contest.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Currently the key to the schedules is the
> ID? mentioned above and
> >>> the schedule effective date. You can create a
> new schedule without
> >>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
> a different
> >>> effective date and then change the schedule
> assigned to the class
> >>> in Contest Setup.? Part of the upgrade
> will be to add and
> >>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
> MAAC, etc.. in
> >>> addition then it can default to the schedule
> in effect for that
> >>> organization but still allow you to select and
> assign any schedule.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Every release of PACSS has included a file
> conversion program that
> >>> converts the existing user data to whatever
> that new file format
> >>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
> I will do
> >>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hope this helps.....
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gene Maurice
> >>>
> >>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
> >>>
> >>> Dallas, GA
> >>>
> >>> AMA 3408
> >>>
> >>> NSRCA 877
> >>>
> >>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-
> >>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of John Gayer
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gene,
> >>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
> schedules between
> >>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
> replace the current AMA/
> >>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
> foreign county.
> >>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
> a PACSS update?
> >>>
> >>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
> text file that can
> >>> be used to input the schedules? for any
> contest, foreign or
> >>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
> plenty of folks
> >>> around the world that would keep their version
> up to date and send
> >>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
> >>>
> >>> Here's the url for the current British
> patterns:???http://
> >>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> Gene Maurice wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Phil,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> You CAN add / maintain your own
> schedules.? "System Maintenance"
> >>> tab, "Schedules" button.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gene Maurice
> >>>
> >>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
> >>>
> >>> Dallas, GA
> >>>
> >>> AMA 3408
> >>>
> >>> NSRCA 877
> >>>
> >>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-
> >>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
> >>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
> >>>
> >>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for
> 2010.? We will probably
> >>> change it for 2011-2012.? If we do, I'll
> send the new patterns to
> >>> you.? How 'bout just making an app to let
> us update the schedules
> >>> ourselves.? Would that be too much work
> for you, or would it
> >>> reduce your work every couple of years?
> >>>
> >>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on
> PACSS!!!? I believe it is
> >>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
> the Southeast...
> >>>
> >>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
> >>>? ? ? ? ?
> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
> >>> Content-Language: en-us
> >>>
> >>> All PACSS Users,
> >>>
> >>> I am in the process of making a number
> modifications to PACSS. One
> >>> of the changes is to make the use of
> "foreign", other than AMA /
> >>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
> this I need to know
> >>> what are the Organizations and associated
> schedules that are being
> >>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
> schedules from last year
> >>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
> updated schedules
> >>> from those two organizations would be
> helpful.
> >>>
> >>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Gene Maurice
> >>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
> >>> Dallas, GA
> >>> AMA 3408
> >>> NSRCA 877
> >>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>
> >>> --> There are only two types of aircraft --
> fighters and targets.
> >>>
> >>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> >>>? ? ? ? URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
> >>> AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member,
> SPA--177
> >>>? ? ???My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> >>>? ? ???(865) 435-1476
> v? (865) 604-0541 c
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-
> >>> discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://
> >>>
> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>
> >>>
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 11:47:53 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:47:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <803686.16698.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <803686.16698.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B44F6D9.2030101@comcast.net>

Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over 
the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 
kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed empty 
with a tolerance of 1%.

John

Bob Kane wrote:
> Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>> To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
>> OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
>> you whippersnackers might be able  
>> to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
>> being whipped in a  
>> long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
>>
>> Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
>> design action  
>> on your large hamster charging wheel project.
>>
>> Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
>> change  
>> long enough yet?
>>
>> RVP
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
>>>       
>> heritage, I have been  
>>     
>>> trying to find a less expensive way to charge
>>>       
>> batteries.  I have  
>>     
>>> been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
>>>       
>> power, but have  
>>     
>>> been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
>>>       
>> the wheel.   
>>     
>>> Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
>>>       
>> wouldn't get but  
>>     
>>> a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
>>>
>>> Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
>>>       
>> fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
>>     
>>> not going to take him up on his challenge.
>>>
>>> RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
>>>       
>> wheel is  
>>     
>>> comfortable?
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>> No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
>>>       
>> challenge him!
>>     
>>> Tony Stillman, President
>>> Radio South, Inc.
>>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>> Brunswick, GA  31525
>>> 1-800-962-7802
>>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>>       
>> On Behalf Of  
>>     
>>> Atwood, Mark
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>> Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
>>>       
>> probably knows a  
>>     
>>> short cut,
>>> having seen that path before there was dirt...
>>>
>>> Mark Atwood
>>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
>>>       
>> 44124
>>     
>>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
>>>       
>> 440.684.3102
>>     
>>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
>>>       
>> |  www.paragon-inc.com
>>     
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>>       
>> On Behalf Of Ron  
>>     
>>> Van Putte
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>
>>> Any participants in this discussion who comment
>>>       
>> negatively on RVP's
>>     
>>> ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
>>>       
>> challenged to a foot
>>     
>>> race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
>>>       
>> trailer and back.
>>     
>>> RVP
>>>
>>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 
>>>>         
>> Couldn't figure it
>>     
>>>> out.  Thought it might have been a response
>>>>         
>> about RVP?
>>     
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> Ed Alt wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
>>>>>           
>> sorry!
>>     
>>>>> From: Ed Alt
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>>>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>>>
>>>>> Something that old is filled with dried up
>>>>>           
>> capacitors in the power
>>     
>>>>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
>>>>>           
>> likely to work
>>     
>>>>> From: Gene Maurice
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>>>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>>>
>>>>> John,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
>>>>>           
>> used as the key to the
>>     
>>>>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be
>>>>>           
>> the AMA class /
>>     
>>>>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
>>>>>           
>> those identifiers
>>     
>>>>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
>>>>>           
>> you to "Name" the
>>     
>>>>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to
>>>>>           
>> any class in your
>>     
>>>>> contest. The way the system works today is
>>>>>           
>> that by default it
>>     
>>>>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
>>>>>           
>> of the date of the
>>     
>>>>> contest.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Currently the key to the schedules is the
>>>>>           
>> ID  mentioned above and
>>     
>>>>> the schedule effective date. You can create a
>>>>>           
>> new schedule without
>>     
>>>>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
>>>>>           
>> a different
>>     
>>>>> effective date and then change the schedule
>>>>>           
>> assigned to the class
>>     
>>>>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
>>>>>           
>> will be to add and
>>     
>>>>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
>>>>>           
>> MAAC, etc.. in
>>     
>>>>> addition then it can default to the schedule
>>>>>           
>> in effect for that
>>     
>>>>> organization but still allow you to select and
>>>>>           
>> assign any schedule.
>>     
>>>>>
>>>>> Every release of PACSS has included a file
>>>>>           
>> conversion program that
>>     
>>>>> converts the existing user data to whatever
>>>>>           
>> that new file format
>>     
>>>>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
>>>>>           
>> I will do
>>     
>>>>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Maurice
>>>>>
>>>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Dallas, GA
>>>>>
>>>>> AMA 3408
>>>>>
>>>>> NSRCA 877
>>>>>
>>>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>           
>> [mailto:nsrca-
>>     
>>>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>>>>           
>> On Behalf Of John Gayer
>>     
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene,
>>>>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
>>>>>           
>> schedules between
>>     
>>>>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
>>>>>           
>> replace the current AMA/
>>     
>>>>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
>>>>>           
>> foreign county.
>>     
>>>>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
>>>>>           
>> a PACSS update?
>>     
>>>>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
>>>>>           
>> text file that can
>>     
>>>>> be used to input the schedules  for any
>>>>>           
>> contest, foreign or
>>     
>>>>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
>>>>>           
>> plenty of folks
>>     
>>>>> around the world that would keep their version
>>>>>           
>> up to date and send
>>     
>>>>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's the url for the current British
>>>>>           
>> patterns:   http://
>>     
>>>>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> John
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You CAN add / maintain your own
>>>>>           
>> schedules.  "System Maintenance"
>>     
>>>>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Maurice
>>>>>
>>>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Dallas, GA
>>>>>
>>>>> AMA 3408
>>>>>
>>>>> NSRCA 877
>>>>>
>>>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>           
>> [mailto:nsrca-
>>     
>>>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>>>>           
>> On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>>     
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>>>>
>>>>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for
>>>>>           
>> 2010.  We will probably
>>     
>>>>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
>>>>>           
>> send the new patterns to
>>     
>>>>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
>>>>>           
>> us update the schedules
>>     
>>>>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work
>>>>>           
>> for you, or would it
>>     
>>>>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>>>>
>>>>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on
>>>>>           
>> PACSS!!!  I believe it is
>>     
>>>>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
>>>>>           
>> the Southeast...
>>     
>>>>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>>>>          
>>>>>           
>> boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>>     
>>>>> Content-Language: en-us
>>>>>
>>>>> All PACSS Users,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in the process of making a number
>>>>>           
>> modifications to PACSS. One
>>     
>>>>> of the changes is to make the use of
>>>>>           
>> "foreign", other than AMA /
>>     
>>>>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
>>>>>           
>> this I need to know
>>     
>>>>> what are the Organizations and associated
>>>>>           
>> schedules that are being
>>     
>>>>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
>>>>>           
>> schedules from last year
>>     
>>>>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
>>>>>           
>> updated schedules
>>     
>>>>> from those two organizations would be
>>>>>           
>> helpful.
>>     
>>>>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gene Maurice
>>>>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>>>> Dallas, GA
>>>>> AMA 3408
>>>>> NSRCA 877
>>>>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>> _______________________________________________
>>     
>>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>>>
>>>>> --> There are only two types of aircraft --
>>>>>           
>> fighters and targets.
>>     
>>>>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio
>>>>>           
>> Control Society, Inc.
>>     
>>>>>         URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>>>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member,
>>>>>           
>> SPA--177
>>     
>>>>>        My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>>>>        (865) 435-1476
>>>>>           
>> v  (865) 604-0541 c
>>     
>>>>>           
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-
>>     
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>>     
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>>     
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From jlachow at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 12:13:09 2010
From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 21:13:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
In-Reply-To: <4B44F6D9.2030101@comcast.net>
References: <803686.16698.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
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5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.

 

I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 2 maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser approach. 


Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
From: jgghome at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed empty with a tolerance of 1%.

John

Bob Kane wrote: 
Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

  
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
you whippersnackers might be able  
to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
being whipped in a  
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.

Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
design action  
on your large hamster charging wheel project.

Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
change  
long enough yet?

RVP

On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
wrote:

    
That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
      heritage, I have been  
    
trying to find a less expensive way to charge
      batteries.  I have  
    
been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
      power, but have  
    
been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
      the wheel.   
    
Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
      wouldn't get but  
    
a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.

Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
      fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
    
not going to take him up on his challenge.

RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
      wheel is  
    
comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
      challenge him!
    
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      On Behalf Of  
    
Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
      probably knows a  
    
short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
      44124
    
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
      440.684.3102
    
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
      |  www.paragon-inc.com
    
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      On Behalf Of Ron  
    
Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment
      negatively on RVP's
    
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
      challenged to a foot
    
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
      trailer and back.
    
RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

      
Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 
        Couldn't figure it
    

out.  Thought it might have been a response
        about RVP?
    

Stuart

Ed Alt wrote:
        
Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
          sorry!
    


From: Ed Alt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Something that old is filled with dried up
          capacitors in the power
    


supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
          likely to work
    


From: Gene Maurice
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

John,



401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
          used as the key to the
    


class / schedule data, it just happen to be
          the AMA class /
    


schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
          those identifiers
    


anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
          you to "Name" the
    


classes. You can also assign any schedule to
          any class in your
    


contest. The way the system works today is
          that by default it
    


assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
          of the date of the
    


contest.



Currently the key to the schedules is the
          ID  mentioned above and
    


the schedule effective date. You can create a
          new schedule without
    


deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
          a different
    


effective date and then change the schedule
          assigned to the class
    


in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
          will be to add and
    


Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
          MAAC, etc.. in
    


addition then it can default to the schedule
          in effect for that
    


organization but still allow you to select and
          assign any schedule.
    



Every release of PACSS has included a file
          conversion program that
    


converts the existing user data to whatever
          that new file format
    


is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
          I will do
    


everything I can to preserve any custom data.



Hope this helps.....





Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com







From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
          [mailto:nsrca-
    


discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          On Behalf Of John Gayer
    


Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade



Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
          schedules between
    


401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
          replace the current AMA/
    


FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
          foreign county.
    


Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
          a PACSS update?
    


I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
          text file that can
    


be used to input the schedules  for any
          contest, foreign or
    


domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
          plenty of folks
    


around the world that would keep their version
          up to date and send
    


you the file for inclusion in updates.

Here's the url for the current British
          patterns:   http://
    


www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote:

Phil,



You CAN add / maintain your own
          schedules.  "System Maintenance"
    


tab, "Schedules" button.





Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com







From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
          [mailto:nsrca-
    


discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
    


Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade



Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for
          2010.  We will probably
    


change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
          send the new patterns to
    


you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
          us update the schedules
    


ourselves.  Would that be too much work
          for you, or would it
    


reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on
          PACSS!!!  I believe it is
    


THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
          the Southeast...
    


At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:


Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         
          boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
    


Content-Language: en-us

All PACSS Users,

I am in the process of making a number
          modifications to PACSS. One
    


of the changes is to make the use of
          "foreign", other than AMA /
    


FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
          this I need to know
    


what are the Organizations and associated
          schedules that are being
    


used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
          schedules from last year
    


but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
          updated schedules
    


from those two organizations would be
          helpful.
    


Any and all help would be greatly appreciated


Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com


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From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:06:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
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I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are easily a 
pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to add a pound.
Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the older 
designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are probably fine.
I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2 year 
intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the weight 
criteria. Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at local 
contests has a certain appeal. One way to do it would be to leave the 
weight at 5 Kg and then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg and weigh 
everything in sight.

John



Joe Lachowski wrote:
> 5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very 
> close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.
>  
> I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 
> 2 maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a 
> couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can 
> support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two 
> years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly 
> larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser 
> approach.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
> From: jgghome at comcast.net
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
>
> Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over 
> the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 
> kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed 
> empty with a tolerance of 1%.
>
> John
>
> Bob Kane wrote:
>
>     Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 
>
>     Bob Kane
>     getterflash at yahoo.com <mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com>
>
>
>     --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> <mailto:vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>
>       
>
>         From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> <mailto:vanputte at cox.net>
>         Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>         To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com <mailto:mklein25 at roadrunner.com>, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>         Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
>         OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
>         you whippersnackers might be able  
>         to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
>         being whipped in a  
>         long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
>
>         Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
>         design action  
>         on your large hamster charging wheel project.
>
>         Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
>         change  
>         long enough yet?
>
>         RVP
>
>         On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com <mailto:mklein25 at roadrunner.com>
>         wrote:
>
>             
>
>             That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
>                   
>
>         heritage, I have been  
>             
>
>             trying to find a less expensive way to charge
>                   
>
>         batteries.  I have  
>             
>
>             been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
>                   
>
>         power, but have  
>             
>
>             been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
>                   
>
>         the wheel.   
>             
>
>             Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
>                   
>
>         wouldn't get but  
>             
>
>             a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
>
>             Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
>                   
>
>         fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
>             
>
>             not going to take him up on his challenge.
>
>             RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
>                   
>
>         wheel is  
>             
>
>             comfortable?
>             Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com> <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>             Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
>             To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>             Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>             No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
>                   
>
>         challenge him!
>             
>
>             Tony Stillman, President
>             Radio South, Inc.
>             139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>             Brunswick, GA  31525
>             1-800-962-7802
>             www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/>
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>             [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>                   
>
>         On Behalf Of  
>             
>
>             Atwood, Mark
>             Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
>             To: General pattern discussion
>             Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>             Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
>                   
>
>         probably knows a  
>             
>
>             short cut,
>             having seen that path before there was dirt...
>
>             Mark Atwood
>             Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>             5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
>                   
>
>         44124
>             
>
>             Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
>                   
>
>         440.684.3102
>             
>
>             mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com <mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> 
>                   
>
>         |  www.paragon-inc.com <http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>             
>
>             -----Original Message-----
>             From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>             [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>                   
>
>         On Behalf Of Ron  
>             
>
>             Van Putte
>             Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
>             To: General pattern discussion
>             Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>             Any participants in this discussion who comment
>                   
>
>         negatively on RVP's
>             
>
>             ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
>                   
>
>         challenged to a foot
>             
>
>             race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
>                   
>
>         trailer and back.
>             
>
>             RVP
>
>             On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>                   
>
>                 Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 
>                         
>
>         Couldn't figure it
>             
>
>                 out.  Thought it might have been a response
>                         
>
>         about RVP?
>             
>
>                 Stuart
>
>                 Ed Alt wrote:
>                         
>
>                     Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
>                               
>
>         sorry!
>             
>
>                     From: Ed Alt
>                     Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>                     To: 'General pattern discussion'
>                     Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>                     Something that old is filled with dried up
>                               
>
>         capacitors in the power
>             
>
>                     supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
>                               
>
>         likely to work
>             
>
>                     From: Gene Maurice
>                     Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>                     To: 'General pattern discussion'
>                     Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>                     John,
>
>
>
>                     401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
>                               
>
>         used as the key to the
>             
>
>                     class / schedule data, it just happen to be
>                               
>
>         the AMA class /
>             
>
>                     schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
>                               
>
>         those identifiers
>             
>
>                     anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
>                               
>
>         you to "Name" the
>             
>
>                     classes. You can also assign any schedule to
>                               
>
>         any class in your
>             
>
>                     contest. The way the system works today is
>                               
>
>         that by default it
>             
>
>                     assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
>                               
>
>         of the date of the
>             
>
>                     contest.
>
>
>
>                     Currently the key to the schedules is the
>                               
>
>         ID  mentioned above and
>             
>
>                     the schedule effective date. You can create a
>                               
>
>         new schedule without
>             
>
>                     deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
>                               
>
>         a different
>             
>
>                     effective date and then change the schedule
>                               
>
>         assigned to the class
>             
>
>                     in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
>                               
>
>         will be to add and
>             
>
>                     Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
>                               
>
>         MAAC, etc.. in
>             
>
>                     addition then it can default to the schedule
>                               
>
>         in effect for that
>             
>
>                     organization but still allow you to select and
>                               
>
>         assign any schedule.
>             
>
>                     Every release of PACSS has included a file
>                               
>
>         conversion program that
>             
>
>                     converts the existing user data to whatever
>                               
>
>         that new file format
>             
>
>                     is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
>                               
>
>         I will do
>             
>
>                     everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>
>
>
>                     Hope this helps.....
>
>
>
>
>
>                     Gene Maurice
>
>                     gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>
>                     Dallas, GA
>
>                     AMA 3408
>
>                     NSRCA 877
>
>                     PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                     From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>                               
>
>         [mailto:nsrca-
>             
>
>                     discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>                               
>
>         On Behalf Of John Gayer
>             
>
>                     Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>                     To: General pattern discussion
>                     Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>
>
>                     Gene,
>                     The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
>                               
>
>         schedules between
>             
>
>                     401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
>                               
>
>         replace the current AMA/
>             
>
>                     FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
>                               
>
>         foreign county.
>             
>
>                     Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
>                               
>
>         a PACSS update?
>             
>
>                     I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
>                               
>
>         text file that can
>             
>
>                     be used to input the schedules  for any
>                               
>
>         contest, foreign or
>             
>
>                     domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
>                               
>
>         plenty of folks
>             
>
>                     around the world that would keep their version
>                               
>
>         up to date and send
>             
>
>                     you the file for inclusion in updates.
>
>                     Here's the url for the current British
>                               
>
>         patterns:   http:// <http:///>
>             
>
>                     www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm <http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm>
>
>                     John
>
>                     Gene Maurice wrote:
>
>                     Phil,
>
>
>
>                     You CAN add / maintain your own
>                               
>
>         schedules.  "System Maintenance"
>             
>
>                     tab, "Schedules" button.
>
>
>
>
>
>                     Gene Maurice
>
>                     gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>
>                     Dallas, GA
>
>                     AMA 3408
>
>                     NSRCA 877
>
>                     PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>                     From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>                               
>
>         [mailto:nsrca-
>             
>
>                     discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>                               
>
>         On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>             
>
>                     Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>                     To: General pattern discussion
>                     Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>                     Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>
>
>                     Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>
>                     The SPA schedule will remain the same for
>                               
>
>         2010.  We will probably
>             
>
>                     change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
>                               
>
>         send the new patterns to
>             
>
>                     you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
>                               
>
>         us update the schedules
>             
>
>                     ourselves.  Would that be too much work
>                               
>
>         for you, or would it
>             
>
>                     reduce your work every couple of years?
>
>                     We sure do appreciate the work you do on
>                               
>
>         PACSS!!!  I believe it is
>             
>
>                     THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
>                               
>
>         the Southeast...
>             
>
>                     At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>
>
>                     Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>                              
>                               
>
>         boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
>             
>
>                     Content-Language: en-us
>
>                     All PACSS Users,
>
>                     I am in the process of making a number
>                               
>
>         modifications to PACSS. One
>             
>
>                     of the changes is to make the use of
>                               
>
>         "foreign", other than AMA /
>             
>
>                     FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
>                               
>
>         this I need to know
>             
>
>                     what are the Organizations and associated
>                               
>
>         schedules that are being
>             
>
>                     used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
>                               
>
>         schedules from last year
>             
>
>                     but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
>                               
>
>         updated schedules
>             
>
>                     from those two organizations would be
>                               
>
>         helpful.
>             
>
>                     Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>
>
>                     Gene Maurice
>                     gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>                     Dallas, GA
>                     AMA 3408
>                     NSRCA 877
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>                               
>
>         fighters and targets.
>             
>
>                     Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio
>                               
>
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>             
>
>                             URL: http://www.kcrctn.com <http://www.kcrctn.com/>
>                     AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member,
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From burtona at atmc.net  Wed Jan  6 13:39:30 2010
From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 22:39:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
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How many CDs have access to accurate scales to weigh at local contest? How
many that are running contest with a minimum of help would want to weigh
planes in a good environment with accurate scales in addition to all the
other tasks they have to keep up with? It's not a bad thing that planes are
never weighed or measured at local contest.

Dave Burton

 

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:06 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

 

I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are easily a
pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to add a pound.
Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the older
designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are probably fine.
I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2 year
intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the weight criteria.
Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at local contests has a
certain appeal. One way to do it would be to leave the weight at 5 Kg and
then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg and weigh everything in sight.

John



Joe Lachowski wrote: 

5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very close
to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.
 
I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 2 maybe 3
ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a couple of bucks.
Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can support 2 ozs to see what
it gains us and then reevaluate in two years. There are some out there who
want to make a significantly larger jump up. I think small increments at a
time is a much wiser approach. 

  _____  

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
From: jgghome at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over the
French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 kilos for
their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed empty with a
tolerance of 1%.

John

Bob Kane wrote: 

Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new
parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can
be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be
loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous
controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 
 
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com
 
 
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte  <mailto:vanputte at cox.net>
<vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
 
  

From: Ronald Van Putte  <mailto:vanputte at cox.net> <vanputte at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion"
<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
you whippersnackers might be able  
to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
being whipped in a  
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
 
Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
design action  
on your large hamster charging wheel project.
 
Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
change  
long enough yet?
 
RVP
 
On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
wrote:
 
    

That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
      

heritage, I have been  
    

trying to find a less expensive way to charge
      

batteries.  I have  
    

been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
      

power, but have  
    

been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
      

the wheel.   
    

Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
      

wouldn't get but  
    

a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
 
Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
      

fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
    

not going to take him up on his challenge.
 
RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
      

wheel is  
    

comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony"  <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com> <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
To: 'General pattern discussion' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
      

challenge him!
    

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      

On Behalf Of  
    

Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
      

probably knows a  
    

short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...
 
Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
      

44124
    

Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
      

440.684.3102
    

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
      

|  www.paragon-inc.com <http://www.paragon-inc.com/> 
    

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      

On Behalf Of Ron  
    

Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
Any participants in this discussion who comment
      

negatively on RVP's
    

ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
      

challenged to a foot
    

race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
      

trailer and back.
    

RVP
 
On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
 
      

Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 
        

Couldn't figure it
    

out.  Thought it might have been a response
        

about RVP?
    

Stuart
 
Ed Alt wrote:
        

Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
          

sorry!
    

From: Ed Alt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
Something that old is filled with dried up
          

capacitors in the power
    

supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
          

likely to work
    

From: Gene Maurice
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
John,
 
 
 
401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
          

used as the key to the
    

class / schedule data, it just happen to be
          

the AMA class /
    

schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
          

those identifiers
    

anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
          

you to "Name" the
    

classes. You can also assign any schedule to
          

any class in your
    

contest. The way the system works today is
          

that by default it
    

assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
          

of the date of the
    

contest.
 
 
 
Currently the key to the schedules is the
          

ID  mentioned above and
    

the schedule effective date. You can create a
          

new schedule without
    

deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
          

a different
    

effective date and then change the schedule
          

assigned to the class
    

in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
          

will be to add and
    

Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
          

MAAC, etc.. in
    

addition then it can default to the schedule
          

in effect for that
    

organization but still allow you to select and
          

assign any schedule.
    

Every release of PACSS has included a file
          

conversion program that
    

converts the existing user data to whatever
          

that new file format
    

is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
          

I will do
    

everything I can to preserve any custom data.
 
 
 
Hope this helps.....
 
 
 
 
 
Gene Maurice
 
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
 
Dallas, GA
 
AMA 3408
 
NSRCA 877
 
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
          

[mailto:nsrca-
    

discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          

On Behalf Of John Gayer
    

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
 
 
Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
          

schedules between
    

401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
          

replace the current AMA/
    

FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
          

foreign county.
    

Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
          

a PACSS update?
    

I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
          

text file that can
    

be used to input the schedules  for any
          

contest, foreign or
    

domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
          

plenty of folks
    

around the world that would keep their version
          

up to date and send
    

you the file for inclusion in updates.
 
Here's the url for the current British
          

patterns:   http://
    

www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
 
John
 
Gene Maurice wrote:
 
Phil,
 
 
 
You CAN add / maintain your own
          

schedules.  "System Maintenance"
    

tab, "Schedules" button.
 
 
 
 
 
Gene Maurice
 
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
 
Dallas, GA
 
AMA 3408
 
NSRCA 877
 
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
          

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discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          

On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
    

Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
 
 
Happy New Year, Gene!!!
 
The SPA schedule will remain the same for
          

2010.  We will probably
    

change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
          

send the new patterns to
    

you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
          

us update the schedules
    

ourselves.  Would that be too much work
          

for you, or would it
    

reduce your work every couple of years?
 
We sure do appreciate the work you do on
          

PACSS!!!  I believe it is
    

THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
          

the Southeast...
    

At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
 
 
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         
          

boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
    

Content-Language: en-us
 
All PACSS Users,
 
I am in the process of making a number
          

modifications to PACSS. One
    

of the changes is to make the use of
          

"foreign", other than AMA /
    

FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
          

this I need to know
    

what are the Organizations and associated
          

schedules that are being
    

used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
          

schedules from last year
    

but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
          

updated schedules
    

from those two organizations would be
          

helpful.
    

Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
 
 
Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
 
          

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From jgghome at comcast.net  Wed Jan  6 14:18:08 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:18:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
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That's partially what the 0.5 Kg tolerance is for. How long does it take 
to weigh a plane casually? If the numbers are posted, then there is 
another data point. If you see a plane and like the way it flies, you 
can check the weight. I expect it will be a light airplane and you will 
get positive enforcement that "light is good". This is an important 
lesson for those starting out in pattern. Also, if someone is flying the 
same plane as I am but it's 1/2 pound lighter, I am sure going to be 
peppering him with questions about how he did it.

It wouldn't take any longer to weigh planes than it does to take photos 
for the plaques. In fact, both could be done at once with minimum time 
penalty.
Don't you have a scale that's good to an ounce or two that you could 
bring to a local contest? I do.

John

Dave Burton wrote:
>
> How many CDs have access to accurate scales to weigh at local contest? 
> How many that are running contest with a minimum of help would want to 
> weigh planes in a good environment with accurate scales in addition to 
> all the other tasks they have to keep up with? It's not a bad thing 
> that planes are never weighed or measured at local contest.
>
> Dave Burton
>
>  
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John 
> Gayer
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:06 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
>
>  
>
> I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are easily 
> a pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to add a pound.
> Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the older 
> designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are probably fine.
> I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2 year 
> intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the weight 
> criteria. Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at local 
> contests has a certain appeal. One way to do it would be to leave the 
> weight at 5 Kg and then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg and weigh 
> everything in sight.
>
> John
>
>
>
> Joe Lachowski wrote:
>
> 5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very 
> close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.
>  
> I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 
> 2 maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a 
> couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can 
> support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two 
> years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly 
> larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser 
> approach.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
> From: jgghome at comcast.net <mailto:jgghome at comcast.net>
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
>
> Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over 
> the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 
> kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed 
> empty with a tolerance of 1%.
>
> John
>
> Bob Kane wrote:
>
> Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 
>  
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com <mailto:getterflash at yahoo.com>
>  
>  
> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> <mailto:vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>  
>   
>
>     From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> <mailto:vanputte at cox.net>
>
>     Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>     To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com <mailto:mklein25 at roadrunner.com>, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>     Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
>
>     OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
>
>     you whippersnackers might be able  
>
>     to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
>
>     being whipped in a  
>
>     long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
>
>      
>
>     Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
>
>     design action  
>
>     on your large hamster charging wheel project.
>
>      
>
>     Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
>
>     change  
>
>     long enough yet?
>
>      
>
>     RVP
>
>      
>
>     On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com <mailto:mklein25 at roadrunner.com>
>
>     wrote:
>
>      
>
>         
>
>         That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
>
>               
>
>     heritage, I have been  
>
>         
>
>         trying to find a less expensive way to charge
>
>               
>
>     batteries.  I have  
>
>         
>
>         been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
>
>               
>
>     power, but have  
>
>         
>
>         been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
>
>               
>
>     the wheel.   
>
>         
>
>         Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
>
>               
>
>     wouldn't get but  
>
>         
>
>         a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
>
>          
>
>         Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
>
>               
>
>     fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
>
>         
>
>         not going to take him up on his challenge.
>
>          
>
>         RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
>
>               
>
>     wheel is  
>
>         
>
>         comfortable?
>
>         Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
>          
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>
>         From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com> <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
>         Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
>
>         To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>         Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>          
>
>         No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
>
>               
>
>     challenge him!
>
>         
>
>         Tony Stillman, President
>
>         Radio South, Inc.
>
>         139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
>         Brunswick, GA  31525
>
>         1-800-962-7802
>
>         www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/>
>
>          
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>
>         From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>         [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>
>               
>
>     On Behalf Of  
>
>         
>
>         Atwood, Mark
>
>         Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
>
>         To: General pattern discussion
>
>         Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>          
>
>         Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
>
>               
>
>     probably knows a  
>
>         
>
>         short cut,
>
>         having seen that path before there was dirt...
>
>          
>
>         Mark Atwood
>
>         Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>
>         5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
>
>               
>
>     44124
>
>         
>
>         Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
>
>               
>
>     440.684.3102
>
>         
>
>         mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com <mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com> 
>
>               
>
>     |  www.paragon-inc.com <http://www.paragon-inc.com/>
>
>         
>
>         -----Original Message-----
>
>         From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>         [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>
>               
>
>     On Behalf Of Ron  
>
>         
>
>         Van Putte
>
>         Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
>
>         To: General pattern discussion
>
>         Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>          
>
>         Any participants in this discussion who comment
>
>               
>
>     negatively on RVP's
>
>         
>
>         ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
>
>               
>
>     challenged to a foot
>
>         
>
>         race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
>
>               
>
>     trailer and back.
>
>         
>
>         RVP
>
>          
>
>         On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>          
>
>               
>
>             Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 
>
>                     
>
>     Couldn't figure it
>
>         
>
>             out.  Thought it might have been a response
>
>                     
>
>     about RVP?
>
>         
>
>             Stuart
>
>              
>
>             Ed Alt wrote:
>
>                     
>
>                 Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
>
>                           
>
>     sorry!
>
>         
>
>                 From: Ed Alt
>
>                 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>
>                 To: 'General pattern discussion'
>
>                 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>                  
>
>                 Something that old is filled with dried up
>
>                           
>
>     capacitors in the power
>
>         
>
>                 supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
>
>                           
>
>     likely to work
>
>         
>
>                 From: Gene Maurice
>
>                 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>
>                 To: 'General pattern discussion'
>
>                 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>                  
>
>                 John,
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
>
>                           
>
>     used as the key to the
>
>         
>
>                 class / schedule data, it just happen to be
>
>                           
>
>     the AMA class /
>
>         
>
>                 schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
>
>                           
>
>     those identifiers
>
>         
>
>                 anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
>
>                           
>
>     you to "Name" the
>
>         
>
>                 classes. You can also assign any schedule to
>
>                           
>
>     any class in your
>
>         
>
>                 contest. The way the system works today is
>
>                           
>
>     that by default it
>
>         
>
>                 assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
>
>                           
>
>     of the date of the
>
>         
>
>                 contest.
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Currently the key to the schedules is the
>
>                           
>
>     ID  mentioned above and
>
>         
>
>                 the schedule effective date. You can create a
>
>                           
>
>     new schedule without
>
>         
>
>                 deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
>
>                           
>
>     a different
>
>         
>
>                 effective date and then change the schedule
>
>                           
>
>     assigned to the class
>
>         
>
>                 in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
>
>                           
>
>     will be to add and
>
>         
>
>                 Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
>
>                           
>
>     MAAC, etc.. in
>
>         
>
>                 addition then it can default to the schedule
>
>                           
>
>     in effect for that
>
>         
>
>                 organization but still allow you to select and
>
>                           
>
>     assign any schedule.
>
>         
>
>                 Every release of PACSS has included a file
>
>                           
>
>     conversion program that
>
>         
>
>                 converts the existing user data to whatever
>
>                           
>
>     that new file format
>
>         
>
>                 is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
>
>                           
>
>     I will do
>
>         
>
>                 everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Hope this helps.....
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Gene Maurice
>
>                  
>
>                 gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>
>                  
>
>                 Dallas, GA
>
>                  
>
>                 AMA 3408
>
>                  
>
>                 NSRCA 877
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>                  
>
>                 PACSS.sgmservice.com
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>                  
>
>                  
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>                  
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>                  
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>                 From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>                           
>
>     [mailto:nsrca-
>
>         
>
>                 discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>
>                           
>
>     On Behalf Of John Gayer
>
>         
>
>                 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>
>                 To: General pattern discussion
>
>                 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Gene,
>
>                 The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
>
>                           
>
>     schedules between
>
>         
>
>                 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
>
>                           
>
>     replace the current AMA/
>
>         
>
>                 FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
>
>                           
>
>     foreign county.
>
>         
>
>                 Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
>
>                           
>
>     a PACSS update?
>
>         
>
>                 I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
>
>                           
>
>     text file that can
>
>         
>
>                 be used to input the schedules  for any
>
>                           
>
>     contest, foreign or
>
>         
>
>                 domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
>
>                           
>
>     plenty of folks
>
>         
>
>                 around the world that would keep their version
>
>                           
>
>     up to date and send
>
>         
>
>                 you the file for inclusion in updates.
>
>                  
>
>                 Here's the url for the current British
>
>                           
>
>     patterns:   http://
>
>         
>
>                 www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm <http://www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm>
>
>                  
>
>                 John
>
>                  
>
>                 Gene Maurice wrote:
>
>                  
>
>                 Phil,
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 You CAN add / maintain your own
>
>                           
>
>     schedules.  "System Maintenance"
>
>         
>
>                 tab, "Schedules" button.
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Gene Maurice
>
>                  
>
>                 gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>
>                  
>
>                 Dallas, GA
>
>                  
>
>                 AMA 3408
>
>                  
>
>                 NSRCA 877
>
>                  
>
>                 PACSS.sgmservice.com
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>                           
>
>     [mailto:nsrca-
>
>         
>
>                 discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>]
>
>                           
>
>     On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>
>         
>
>                 Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>
>                 To: General pattern discussion
>
>                 Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>
>                 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>
>                  
>
>                 The SPA schedule will remain the same for
>
>                           
>
>     2010.  We will probably
>
>         
>
>                 change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
>
>                           
>
>     send the new patterns to
>
>         
>
>                 you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
>
>                           
>
>     us update the schedules
>
>         
>
>                 ourselves.  Would that be too much work
>
>                           
>
>     for you, or would it
>
>         
>
>                 reduce your work every couple of years?
>
>                  
>
>                 We sure do appreciate the work you do on
>
>                           
>
>     PACSS!!!  I believe it is
>
>         
>
>                 THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
>
>                           
>
>     the Southeast...
>
>         
>
>                 At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
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>                 Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
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>                 All PACSS Users,
>
>                  
>
>                 I am in the process of making a number
>
>                           
>
>     modifications to PACSS. One
>
>         
>
>                 of the changes is to make the use of
>
>                           
>
>     "foreign", other than AMA /
>
>         
>
>                 FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
>
>                           
>
>     this I need to know
>
>         
>
>                 what are the Organizations and associated
>
>                           
>
>     schedules that are being
>
>         
>
>                 used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
>
>                           
>
>     schedules from last year
>
>         
>
>                 but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
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>                           
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>     updated schedules
>
>         
>
>                 from those two organizations would be
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>                           
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>     helpful.
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>         
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>                 Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>
>                  
>
>                  
>
>                 Gene Maurice
>
>                 gene.maurice at sgmservice.com <mailto:gene.maurice at sgmservice.com>
>
>                 Dallas, GA
>
>                 AMA 3408
>
>                 NSRCA 877
>
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From jlachow at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  6 14:41:51 2010
From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski)
Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 23:41:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
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At least in the Northeast, 90 percent or more of the guys abide by the rules. And planes that are a pound overweight would be easy to spot. Just watch how they fly. It is obvious. And frankly, if someone wants to fly at a disadvantage, let them.

 

As a CD, I don't have the manpower for weighing planes. Funny thing, a few years back we had courtesy weighing at one contest. Best of my recollection, everyone was legal. I found most pattern people are honest and abide by the rules. At least in my neck of the woods they do. I really don't think local level contests are the issue when it comes to weight.

 

I do, however, feel it is a necessity at a premier event like the Nationals. It is making the playing field even  and knowing everyone meets the rules at a Nationals where everyone comes from different parts of the country that counts. I said, I prefer the current rules, but would not think it smart to make a big jump if it were done. OK maybe 4 ozs is a more realistic starting point if it were to be done. Most people who have trouble making weight are in that area of 1 to 4 ozs when it comes to being over the weight limit anyway.

 

A 0.5kg tolerance is alot. Over a pound alot.

 


 


Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:05:56 -0700
From: jgghome at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are easily a pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to add a pound.
Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the older designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are probably fine.
I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2 year intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the weight criteria. Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at local contests has a certain appeal. One way to do it would be to leave the weight at 5 Kg and then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg and weigh everything in sight.

John



Joe Lachowski wrote: 


5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.
 
I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 2 maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser approach. 


Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
From: jgghome at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed empty with a tolerance of 1%.

John

Bob Kane wrote: 
Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

  
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
you whippersnackers might be able  
to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
being whipped in a  
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.

Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
design action  
on your large hamster charging wheel project.

Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
change  
long enough yet?

RVP

On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
wrote:

    
That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
      heritage, I have been  
    
trying to find a less expensive way to charge
      batteries.  I have  
    
been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
      power, but have  
    
been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
      the wheel.   
    
Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
      wouldn't get but  
    
a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.

Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
      fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
    
not going to take him up on his challenge.

RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
      wheel is  
    
comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
      challenge him!
    
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      On Behalf Of  
    
Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
      probably knows a  
    
short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
      44124
    
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
      440.684.3102
    
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
      |  www.paragon-inc.com
    
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      On Behalf Of Ron  
    
Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Any participants in this discussion who comment
      negatively on RVP's
    
ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
      challenged to a foot
    
race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
      trailer and back.
    
RVP

On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

      
Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 
        Couldn't figure it
    

out.  Thought it might have been a response
        about RVP?
    

Stuart

Ed Alt wrote:
        
Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
          sorry!
    


From: Ed Alt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

Something that old is filled with dried up
          capacitors in the power
    


supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
          likely to work
    


From: Gene Maurice
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade

John,



401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
          used as the key to the
    


class / schedule data, it just happen to be
          the AMA class /
    


schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
          those identifiers
    


anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
          you to "Name" the
    


classes. You can also assign any schedule to
          any class in your
    


contest. The way the system works today is
          that by default it
    


assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
          of the date of the
    


contest.



Currently the key to the schedules is the
          ID  mentioned above and
    


the schedule effective date. You can create a
          new schedule without
    


deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
          a different
    


effective date and then change the schedule
          assigned to the class
    


in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
          will be to add and
    


Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
          MAAC, etc.. in
    


addition then it can default to the schedule
          in effect for that
    


organization but still allow you to select and
          assign any schedule.
    


Every release of PACSS has included a file
          conversion program that
    


converts the existing user data to whatever
          that new file format
    


is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
          I will do
    


everything I can to preserve any custom data.



Hope this helps.....





Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com







From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
          [mailto:nsrca-
    


discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          On Behalf Of John Gayer
    


Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade



Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
          schedules between
    


401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
          replace the current AMA/
    


FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
          foreign county.
    


Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
          a PACSS update?
    


I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
          text file that can
    


be used to input the schedules  for any
          contest, foreign or
    


domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
          plenty of folks
    


around the world that would keep their version
          up to date and send
    


you the file for inclusion in updates.

Here's the url for the current British
          patterns:   http://
    


www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm

John

Gene Maurice wrote:

Phil,



You CAN add / maintain your own
          schedules.  "System Maintenance"
    


tab, "Schedules" button.





Gene Maurice

gene.maurice at sgmservice.com

Dallas, GA

AMA 3408

NSRCA 877

PACSS.sgmservice.com







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          [mailto:nsrca-
    


discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
    


Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade



Happy New Year, Gene!!!

The SPA schedule will remain the same for
          2010.  We will probably
    


change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
          send the new patterns to
    


you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
          us update the schedules
    


ourselves.  Would that be too much work
          for you, or would it
    


reduce your work every couple of years?

We sure do appreciate the work you do on
          PACSS!!!  I believe it is
    


THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
          the Southeast...
    


At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:


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All PACSS Users,

I am in the process of making a number
          modifications to PACSS. One
    


of the changes is to make the use of
          "foreign", other than AMA /
    


FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
          this I need to know
    


what are the Organizations and associated
          schedules that are being
    


used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
          schedules from last year
    


but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
          updated schedules
    


from those two organizations would be
          helpful.
    


Any and all help would be greatly appreciated


Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com


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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Jan  6 15:34:17 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:34:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
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You never know what's going to happen.  For the past several years I  
brought a 6 KG digital scale to the Nats so John Fuqua and I could  
assist Dave Guerin in weighing potential trophy winners.  In 2009 I  
was asked when my scales were last calibrated and to show the  
certification papers for my calibration weights.  I won't be  
volunteering in 2010.

Ron

On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:17 PM, John Gayer wrote:

> That's partially what the 0.5 Kg tolerance is for. How long does it  
> take to weigh a plane casually? If the numbers are posted, then  
> there is another data point. If you see a plane and like the way it  
> flies, you can check the weight. I expect it will be a light  
> airplane and you will get positive enforcement that "light is  
> good". This is an important lesson for those starting out in  
> pattern. Also, if someone is flying the same plane as I am but it's  
> 1/2 pound lighter, I am sure going to be peppering him with  
> questions about how he did it.
>
> It wouldn't take any longer to weigh planes than it does to take  
> photos for the plaques. In fact, both could be done at once with  
> minimum time penalty.
> Don't you have a scale that's good to an ounce or two that you  
> could bring to a local contest? I do.
>
> John
>
> Dave Burton wrote:
>>
>> How many CDs have access to accurate scales to weigh at local  
>> contest? How many that are running contest with a minimum of help  
>> would want to weigh planes in a good environment with accurate  
>> scales in addition to all the other tasks they have to keep up  
>> with? It?s not a bad thing that planes are never weighed or  
>> measured at local contest.
>> Dave Burton
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:06 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are  
>> easily a pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to  
>> add a pound.
>> Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the  
>> older designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are  
>> probably fine.
>> I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2  
>> year intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the  
>> weight criteria. Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at  
>> local contests has a certain appeal. One way to do it would be to  
>> leave the weight at 5 Kg and then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg  
>> and weigh everything in sight.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Lachowski wrote:
>> 5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are  
>> very close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.
>>
>> I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 2  
>> maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a  
>> couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can  
>> support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two  
>> years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly  
>> larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser  
>> approach.
>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
>> From: jgghome at comcast.net
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going  
>> over the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit  
>> of 5.5 kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel,  
>> weighed empty with a tolerance of 1%.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Bob Kane wrote:
>> Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by  
>> inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It  
>> would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an  
>> electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery  
>> capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and  
>> the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum.
>>
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>> To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca- 
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
>> OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
>> you whippersnackers might be able
>> to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
>> being whipped in a
>> long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
>>
>> Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
>> design action
>> on your large hamster charging wheel project.
>>
>> Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
>> change
>> long enough yet?
>>
>> RVP
>>
>> On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
>>
>> heritage, I have been
>>
>> trying to find a less expensive way to charge
>>
>> batteries.  I have
>>
>> been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
>>
>> power, but have
>>
>> been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
>>
>> the wheel.
>>
>> Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
>>
>> wouldn't get but
>>
>> a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
>>
>> Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
>>
>> fiddle.  I sure as heck am
>>
>> not going to take him up on his challenge.
>>
>> RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
>>
>> wheel is
>>
>> comfortable?
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>> Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
>>
>> challenge him!
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>> Radio South, Inc.
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>> Brunswick, GA  31525
>> 1-800-962-7802
>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>
>> On Behalf Of
>>
>> Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
>>
>> probably knows a
>>
>> short cut,
>> having seen that path before there was dirt...
>>
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
>>
>> 44124
>>
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
>>
>> 440.684.3102
>>
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com
>>
>> |  www.paragon-inc.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>
>> On Behalf Of Ron
>>
>> Van Putte
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Any participants in this discussion who comment
>>
>> negatively on RVP's
>>
>> ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
>>
>> challenged to a foot
>>
>> race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
>>
>> trailer and back.
>>
>> RVP
>>
>> On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>>
>>
>> Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor.
>>
>> Couldn't figure it
>>
>> out.  Thought it might have been a response
>>
>> about RVP?
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> Ed Alt wrote:
>>
>> Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
>>
>> sorry!
>>
>> From: Ed Alt
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> Something that old is filled with dried up
>>
>> capacitors in the power
>>
>> supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
>>
>> likely to work
>>
>> From: Gene Maurice
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>> John,
>>
>>
>>
>> 401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
>>
>> used as the key to the
>>
>> class / schedule data, it just happen to be
>>
>> the AMA class /
>>
>> schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
>>
>> those identifiers
>>
>> anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
>>
>> you to "Name" the
>>
>> classes. You can also assign any schedule to
>>
>> any class in your
>>
>> contest. The way the system works today is
>>
>> that by default it
>>
>> assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
>>
>> of the date of the
>>
>> contest.
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently the key to the schedules is the
>>
>> ID  mentioned above and
>>
>> the schedule effective date. You can create a
>>
>> new schedule without
>>
>> deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
>>
>> a different
>>
>> effective date and then change the schedule
>>
>> assigned to the class
>>
>> in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
>>
>> will be to add and
>>
>> Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
>>
>> MAAC, etc.. in
>>
>> addition then it can default to the schedule
>>
>> in effect for that
>>
>> organization but still allow you to select and
>>
>> assign any schedule.
>>
>> Every release of PACSS has included a file
>>
>> conversion program that
>>
>> converts the existing user data to whatever
>>
>> that new file format
>>
>> is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
>>
>> I will do
>>
>> everything I can to preserve any custom data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.....
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> [mailto:nsrca-
>>
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>
>> On Behalf Of John Gayer
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene,
>> The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
>>
>> schedules between
>>
>> 401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
>>
>> replace the current AMA/
>>
>> FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
>>
>> foreign county.
>>
>> Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
>>
>> a PACSS update?
>>
>> I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
>>
>> text file that can
>>
>> be used to input the schedules  for any
>>
>> contest, foreign or
>>
>> domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
>>
>> plenty of folks
>>
>> around the world that would keep their version
>>
>> up to date and send
>>
>> you the file for inclusion in updates.
>>
>> Here's the url for the current British
>>
>> patterns:   http://
>>
>> www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> Gene Maurice wrote:
>>
>> Phil,
>>
>>
>>
>> You CAN add / maintain your own
>>
>> schedules.  "System Maintenance"
>>
>> tab, "Schedules" button.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>>
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>>
>> Dallas, GA
>>
>> AMA 3408
>>
>> NSRCA 877
>>
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> [mailto:nsrca-
>>
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>>
>> On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> Happy New Year, Gene!!!
>>
>> The SPA schedule will remain the same for
>>
>> 2010.  We will probably
>>
>> change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
>>
>> send the new patterns to
>>
>> you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
>>
>> us update the schedules
>>
>> ourselves.  Would that be too much work
>>
>> for you, or would it
>>
>> reduce your work every couple of years?
>>
>> We sure do appreciate the work you do on
>>
>> PACSS!!!  I believe it is
>>
>> THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
>>
>> the Southeast...
>>
>> At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>>
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>>
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>>
>> All PACSS Users,
>>
>> I am in the process of making a number
>>
>> modifications to PACSS. One
>>
>> of the changes is to make the use of
>>
>> "foreign", other than AMA /
>>
>> FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
>>
>> this I need to know
>>
>> what are the Organizations and associated
>>
>> schedules that are being
>>
>> used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
>>
>> schedules from last year
>>
>> but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
>>
>> updated schedules
>>
>> from those two organizations would be
>>
>> helpful.
>>
>> Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
>>
>>
>> Gene Maurice
>> gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
>> Dallas, GA
>> AMA 3408
>> NSRCA 877
>> PACSS.sgmservice.com
>>
>>
>>
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>> --> There are only two types of aircraft --
>>
>> fighters and targets.
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio
>>
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>>
>>         URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member,
>>
>> SPA--177
>>
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 15:41:17 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:41:17 -0000
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Ron,

You have GOT TO BE KIdding. What idi....ahem, fellow pilot would make such a request?

Phew!!!! I am glad i WON'T BE IN THE WINNERS CIRCLE ANY TIME SOON. I would break that scale since I weigh juuuuust a little over 6 kilos

Matt






-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 6, 2010 7:34 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade


You never know what's going to happen.  For the past several years I brought a 6 KG digital scale to the Nats so John Fuqua and I could assist Dave Guerin in weighing potential trophy winners.  In 2009 I was asked when my scales were last calibrated and to show the certification papers for my calibration weights.  I won't be volunteering in 2010.


Ron


On Jan 6, 2010, at 5:17 PM, John Gayer wrote:


That's partially what the 0.5 Kg tolerance is for. How long does it take to weigh a plane casually? If the numbers are posted, then there is another data point. If you see a plane and like the way it flies, you can check the weight. I expect it will be a light airplane and you will get positive enforcement that "light is good". This is an important lesson for those starting out in pattern. Also, if someone is flying the same plane as I am but it's 1/2 pound lighter, I am sure going to be peppering him with questions about how he did it.

It wouldn't take any longer to weigh planes than it does to take photos for the plaques. In fact, both could be done at once with minimum time penalty.
Don't you have a scale that's good to an ounce or two that you could bring to a local contest? I do.

John

Dave Burton wrote: 

How many CDs have access to accurate scales to weigh at local contest? How many that are running contest with a minimum of help would want to weigh planes in a good environment with accurate scales in addition to all the other tasks they have to keep up with? It?s not a bad thing that planes are never weighed or measured at local contest.
Dave Burton
 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 5:06 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

 
I'll bet there are a lot of planes flying in contests that are easily a pound overweight. I can't see anyone designing planes to add a pound.
Our current planes may be pigs at 5.5Kg, I agree but some of the older designs flown in lower classes that have more wing area are probably fine.
I don't see much point in playing with 2 ounce increments at 2 year intervals. I definitely could not support removal of the weight criteria. Raising the limit by a pound and then weighing at local contests has a certain appeal. One way to do it would be to leave the weight at 5 Kg and then raise the tolerance to 0.5 Kg and weigh everything in sight.

John



Joe Lachowski wrote: 
5.5 kilos is a flying pig in my book. I bet most planes there are very close to 5 kilos anyway to be competititive.
 
I prefer our current requirements, but could be persuaded to add 2 maybe 3 ozs tops in our national classes to help people save a couple of bucks. Anything more might open up a can of worms. I can support 2 ozs to see what it gains us and then reevaluate in two years. There are some out there who want to make a significantly larger jump up. I think small increments at a time is a much wiser approach. 

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:47:21 -0700
From: jgghome at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight rule, was PACSS Upgrade

Just to fan the flames a bit on the weight rule, I've been going over the French rulebook for pattern and they have a weight limit of 5.5 kilos for their national classes, both electric and fuel, weighed empty with a tolerance of 1%.

John

Bob Kane wrote: 
Speaking of weight rule, maybe we should immortalize Ron by inventing a new parameter called the Van Putte Equivalent. It would be how much weight can be added to the upper limit of an electric pattern aircraft.  It would be loosely based on battery capacity, motor watts, maximum continuous controller current, and the speed of Ron at full gallop in a vacuum. 
 
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com
 
 
--- On Wed, 1/6/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
 
  

From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
To: mklein25 at roadrunner.com, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 2:20 PM
OK, I am a marathoner, but SOME of
you whippersnackers might be able  
to beat me.  Most are afraid to find out, because
being whipped in a  
long race by an old guy would be humiliating.
 
Mike - I am also an engineer and I want a piece of the
design action  
on your large hamster charging wheel project.
 
Have we taken everyones' eyes off the airplane weight rule
change  
long enough yet?
 
RVP
 
On Jan 6, 2010, at 12:58 PM, mklein25 at roadrunner.com
wrote:
 
    

That's great news Tony!  Given my Jewish
      

heritage, I have been  
    

trying to find a less expensive way to charge
      

batteries.  I have  
    

been designing a large hamster wheel to generate
      

power, but have  
    

been looking for someone with the stamina to run in
      

the wheel.   
    

Looks like RVP is my man!  Lord knows my fat self
      

wouldn't get but  
    

a couple mah in a pack and I'd be dialing 911.
 
Give RVP his due.  That man is fit as a
      

fiddle.  I sure as heck am  
    

not going to take him up on his challenge.
 
RVP, how tall are you so I can make sure the hamster
      

wheel is  
    

comfortable?
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
 
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 13:49:11
To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
No, RVP is a Marathoner.....  I wouldn't
      

challenge him!
    

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      

On Behalf Of  
    

Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 1:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
Careful guys... he's probably setting us up.  He
      

probably knows a  
    

short cut,
having seen that path before there was dirt...
 
Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
      

44124
    

Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
      

440.684.3102
    

mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
      

|  www.paragon-inc.com
    

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
      

On Behalf Of Ron  
    

Van Putte
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:17 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
Any participants in this discussion who comment
      

negatively on RVP's
    

ancientness and show up at the 2010 Nats will be
      

challenged to a foot
    

race from the Farm House porch to the Site 4 scoring
      

trailer and back.
    

RVP
 
On Jan 5, 2010, at 10:00 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
 
      

Ed I was trying to make sense of your humor. 
        

Couldn't figure it
    

out.  Thought it might have been a response
        

about RVP?
    

Stuart
 
Ed Alt wrote:
        

Argh - replied to the wrong message  -
          


sorry!
    


From: Ed Alt
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:17 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
Something that old is filled with dried up
          


capacitors in the power
    


supply.  When they dry up, nothing is
          


likely to work
    


From: Gene Maurice
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 11:57 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
John,
 
 
 
401 thru 409 are just identifiers that are
          


used as the key to the
    


class / schedule data, it just happen to be
          


the AMA class /
    


schedule numbers. Go figure. You can make
          


those identifiers
    


anything you want, at Contest Setup it asks
          


you to "Name" the
    


classes. You can also assign any schedule to
          


any class in your
    


contest. The way the system works today is
          


that by default it
    


assigns the AMA / FAI schedules in effect as
          


of the date of the
    


contest.
 
 
 
Currently the key to the schedules is the
          


ID  mentioned above and
    


the schedule effective date. You can create a
          


new schedule without
    


deleting the AMA schedule by simply assigning
          


a different
    


effective date and then change the schedule
          


assigned to the class
    


in Contest Setup.  Part of the upgrade
          


will be to add and
    


Organization identifier, ie. AMA, SPA, GBRCAA,
          


MAAC, etc.. in
    


addition then it can default to the schedule
          


in effect for that
    


organization but still allow you to select and
          


assign any schedule.
    


Every release of PACSS has included a file
          


conversion program that
    


converts the existing user data to whatever
          


that new file format
    


is. It is my intent to do that this time also.
          


I will do
    


everything I can to preserve any custom data.
 
 
 
Hope this helps.....
 
 
 
 
 
Gene Maurice
 
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
 
Dallas, GA
 
AMA 3408
 
NSRCA 877
 
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
          


[mailto:nsrca-
    


discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          


On Behalf Of John Gayer
    


Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
 
 
Gene,
The Schedule Maintenance appears to allow only
          


schedules between
    


401 and 409. Doesn't this mean you need to
          


replace the current AMA/
    


FAI schedules in order to set up for SPA or a
          


foreign county.
    


Wouldn't you lose your modified schedules with
          


a PACSS update?
    


I think what Phil is suggesting is an external
          


text file that can
    


be used to input the schedules  for any
          


contest, foreign or
    


domestic. If you provide the layout, there are
          


plenty of folks
    


around the world that would keep their version
          


up to date and send
    


you the file for inclusion in updates.
 
Here's the url for the current British
          


patterns:   http://
    


www.gbrcaa.org/schedules.htm
 
John
 
Gene Maurice wrote:
 
Phil,
 
 
 
You CAN add / maintain your own
          


schedules.  "System Maintenance"
    


tab, "Schedules" button.
 
 
 
 
 
Gene Maurice
 
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
 
Dallas, GA
 
AMA 3408
 
NSRCA 877
 
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
          


[mailto:nsrca-
    


discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
          


On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
    


Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 8:32 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Bruce Underwood; Ed Hartley
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] PACSS Upgrade
 
 
 
Happy New Year, Gene!!!
 
The SPA schedule will remain the same for
          


2010.  We will probably
    


change it for 2011-2012.  If we do, I'll
          


send the new patterns to
    


you.  How 'bout just making an app to let
          


us update the schedules
    


ourselves.  Would that be too much work
          


for you, or would it
    


reduce your work every couple of years?
 
We sure do appreciate the work you do on
          


PACSS!!!  I believe it is
    


THE scoring program for SPA, at least here in
          


the Southeast...
    


At 08:04 AM 1/5/2010, you wrote:
 
 
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
         
          


boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01CA8DDD.B09C42C0"
    


Content-Language: en-us
 
All PACSS Users,
 
I am in the process of making a number
          


modifications to PACSS. One
    


of the changes is to make the use of
          


"foreign", other than AMA /
    


FAI, schedules easier to use. In order to do
          


this I need to know
    


what are the Organizations and associated
          


schedules that are being
    


used today. I have the SPA and Canadian
          


schedules from last year
    


but don't know if they are changing in 2010 so
          


updated schedules
    


from those two organizations would be
          


helpful.
    


Any and all help would be greatly appreciated
 
 
Gene Maurice
gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
Dallas, GA
AMA 3408
NSRCA 877
PACSS.sgmservice.com
 
 
          


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From flyintexan at att.net  Wed Jan  6 15:50:16 2010
From: flyintexan at att.net (Mark Hunt)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 00:50:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 2010 contest schedule
References: <803686.16698.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
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This is a request to all CD's in D6 to please update me asap with you plans for 2010'.  Please reply to flyintexan at att.net

For those that have already confirmed dates for 2010', thank you!


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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Wed Jan  6 18:32:28 2010
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 03:32:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 2010 contest schedule
In-Reply-To: <A7E9600521484435A0E1184F04032196@MARK>
Message-ID: <20100106213225.E9RVO.693804.root@Web02>

Hi Mark,

Happy New Year.

I think Larks will support a pattern event again this year.  I'll confirm at the next meeting and start firming up a date....tentatively let's go with October 2-3.

I almost have the Evo built and ready to finish.  Still debating about power.

G
---- Mark Hunt <flyintexan at att.net> wrote: 

=============
This is a request to all CD's in D6 to please update me asap with you plans for 2010'.  Please reply to flyintexan at att.net

For those that have already confirmed dates for 2010', thank you!


Best Regards,
Mark, D6



From vanputte at cox.net  Thu Jan  7 10:07:26 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2010 19:07:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] World Models Impulse XP
Message-ID: <49843AB2-CCBB-473F-BA73-23A6806C005E@cox.net>

Some of you know that I just took delivery of an electric-version  
World Models Impulse XP.  I finally had the time to get it out of the  
boxes and take a hard look at what is here.  It is a completely  
painted airplane; no MonoKote/UltraCote/WhateverCote.  I hate Mylar- 
covered anything, but, until now, I had to settle for painted  
fuselages and Mylar-covered wings/stabs.

Out of the box, the electric-version is lighter than the glow- 
version, because some of the structure in the nose of the glow- 
version is not installed in the nose of the electric-version.  A  
carbon fiber nose ring is provided, but not installed, because, while  
necessary for a nose-ring mount, would add unneeded extra weight for  
a standoff mount.  The canopy is removable and has the rear pin and  
front screw hardware already installed.  The belly comes off in two  
pieces: a chin cowl and aft belly, with all the necessary hardware  
installed.  There is a carbon fiber landing gear, with the necessary  
holes/hardware installed.  The supplied wing/stab tubes are carbon  
fiber.  In addition, I didn't expect, but also received a carbon  
fiber spinner, mounted like a Tru Turn spinner, with one bolt through  
the nose.  Another goodie I didn't expect, but also received, was  
installed wing adjusters.  The stab halves are not adjustable as  
delivered.

The rudder is actuated via pull-pull cables, with the horns, ball- 
bearing swivel links, cables, clevises and other hardware included.   
The elevators are actuated via a single carbon fiber pushrod to the  
tail and cross-fuselage bellcrank, both included.  Similar to the  
rudder hardware, the elevator horns, ball-bearing swivel links,  
clevises, short carbon fiber pushrods with threaded ends and other  
hardware are included.  The aileron setup also has horns, ball- 
bearing swivel links clevises, short carbon fiber pushrods with  
threaded ends and other hardware included.  Wheels are provided, but  
I'm going to use the Maxx Products aluminum hub wheels.
A tailwheel assembly was provided, but I intend to use an MK  
tailwheel assembly.

This is one nicely finished airplane.  When I get more time, I will  
weigh the individual components as they come out of the box and  
provide the information to interested individuals.

BTW, the electric-version World Models Impulse XP lists at $1500 and  
requires about six weeks for delivery.  Mine took right at six weeks  
to get to my door.  Shipping from World Models' U.S. distributor,  
AirBorne Models in California, to Florida was about $100; $80 for the  
fuselage via Greyhound (too big a box for FedEx or UPS) and about $20  
for the wings/stabs via FedEx.  I am a dealer, so I paid about $200  
less than what shown above.

If you're interested in more details, please e-mail me off-list.

Ron Van Putte

From jerry at buddengineering.com  Thu Jan  7 18:22:10 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:22:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Abbra - For Sale
Message-ID: <77253DC6-575F-4904-A25B-C8A4B52E3823@buddengineering.com>

For Sale:

Abbra with -
Hacker C50-14XL
Budd Engineering Electric Soft Mount
Jeti 90 Controller
JR3421SA on Elev
JR9411SA on Aileron
JR8411SA on Rudder
Thunder Power 900 Mah LiPo Rx Battery (new July 2009)
Jaccio Voltage Regulator
APC 20.5 x 14 prop
Fiberglass Spinner
JR Switch w/Charge Jack

This aircraft is ready-to-fly, just add your own receiver and motor  
system battery pack.  The motor was completely rebuilt by Hacker (new  
kevlar-wrapped rotor, new bearings, fresh grease, etc) just before the  
2009 Nats, and has only 25 flights on it since.  The servos have ~ 100  
flights on them.  All up weight is 10 lb, 10 oz with Thunder Power  
5300 batteries.

A perennial US Nationals Masters finalist since 2005, this is a great  
flying aircraft in great condition.  The plane was assembled in June  
2005 and has ~ 450 total flights (I don't practice much!).  It has won  
25+ Masters contests in District 7, placing 2nd in Masters at the 2005  
Nats.  One of the very best rolling airplane designs, this Abbra is  
the best of the best (just ask Dave Lockhart), and is fully  
competitive in the current Masters 2010 patterns.

Aircraft is available for pickup at the AMA Convention/Show in  
Ontario, CA this Friday or Saturday.  Will ship, but would prefer not  
to.

$1850 cash.

Jerry Budd
(661) 435-0358 Cell/Text

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com


From jerry at buddengineering.com  Fri Jan  8 00:17:36 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 09:17:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Abbra - For Sale
Message-ID: <532A85B5-B9B2-45EA-8F66-961501B84176@buddengineering.com>

For Sale:

Abbra with -
Hacker C50-14XL
Budd Engineering Electric Soft Mount
Jeti 90 Controller
JR3421SA on Elev
JR9411SA on Aileron
JR8411SA on Rudder
Thunder Power 900 Mah LiPo Rx Battery (new July 2009)
Jaccio Voltage Regulator
APC 20.5 x 14 prop
Fiberglass Spinner
JR Switch w/Charge Jack

This aircraft is ready-to-fly, just add your own receiver and motor  
system battery pack.  The motor was completely rebuilt by Hacker (new  
kevlar-wrapped rotor, new bearings, fresh grease, etc) just before the  
2009 Nats, and has only 25 flights on it since.  The servos have ~ 100  
flights on them.  All up weight is 10 lb, 10 oz with Thunder Power  
5300 batteries.

A perennial US Nationals Masters finalist since 2005, this is a great  
flying aircraft in great condition.  The plane was assembled in June  
2005 and has ~ 450 total flights (I don't practice much!).  It has won  
25+ Masters contests in District 7, placing 2nd in Masters at the 2005  
Nats.  One of the very best rolling airplane designs, this Abbra is  
the best of the best (just ask Dave Lockhart), and is fully  
competitive in the current Masters 2010 patterns.

Aircraft is available for pickup at the AMA Convention/Show in  
Ontario, CA this Friday or Saturday.  Will ship, but would prefer not  
to.

$1850 cash.

Jerry Budd
(661) 435-0358 Cell/Text

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com


From ksutherland at hughes.net  Fri Jan  8 16:19:02 2010
From: ksutherland at hughes.net (ksutherland)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:19:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How to change Address
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Fri Jan  8 19:30:08 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 04:30:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How to change Address
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References: <1418945910.40083.1262999939355.JavaMail.mail@webmail07>
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On 1/8/2010 8:18 PM, ksutherland wrote:

> How do I change my address to my new one so I can post to the list ? I
> tried to update my profile but that does not do the trick.

I would unsubscribe my old address, then subscribe my
new address.

http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

				Marty

From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 22:36:44 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 07:36:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Epoxy
In-Reply-To: <SNT104-W283C9B6D368B21E65EB4BCBB720@phx.gbl>
References: <803686.16698.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<4B44F6D9.2030101@comcast.net>
	<SNT104-W283C9B6D368B21E65EB4BCBB720@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CC5F1594AD6741-25F4-DC94@webmail-m085.sysops.aol.com>



Check J. Greer epoxy out if you do your own laminations or build wings. Rather inexpensive compared to many others for the same quantity. My favorite epoxy has been Pro Set 125 with the 226 or 229 hardeners. The JGreer 300/21 epoxy is less than half the cost of Pro Set.

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From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  9 06:19:51 2010
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 15:19:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC manual
In-Reply-To: <COL118-W407475D9C3569B1FD77E8DA2750@phx.gbl>
References: <EE8D0E93E73A4254A7AD63E23E5B7B63@toshibauser>,
	<COL118-W407475D9C3569B1FD77E8DA2750@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU115-W12439F7FB951F1847C1A90A06F0@phx.gbl>


Anyone have a 120 AC instruction manual they can e-mail me?

 

Thanks.

 

Mike C
 		 	   		  
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Sat Jan  9 08:23:25 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 17:23:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC manual
Message-ID: <20100109172325.94273115FE@bridi.netexpress.com>

Michael

If you don't get one by tonight let me know and i will send you a copy when I get home tonight.

Pete Cosky
Sent from my Windows Mobile device

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From: Michael Cohen <precisionaero at hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:19 AM
To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC manual

Anyone have a 120 AC instruction manual they can e-mail me?
?
Thanks.
?
Mike C

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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Sat Jan  9 11:08:27 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:08:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
Message-ID: <28DF8DA400D140759B4B2B5C5E886E50@toshibauser>

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 11:48:42 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 20:48:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <28DF8DA400D140759B4B2B5C5E886E50@toshibauser>
References: <28DF8DA400D140759B4B2B5C5E886E50@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>

Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the  
Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen  
them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there?

Ron Van Putte

On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:

> Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on  
> a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> _______________________________________________
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 12:08:02 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:08:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>
Message-ID: <D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>

Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/ 
uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218

Ron


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
> Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the  
> Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen  
> them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there?
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:
>
>> Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on  
>> a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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From BUDDYonRC at aol.com  Sat Jan  9 12:20:28 2010
From: BUDDYonRC at aol.com (BUDDYonRC at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:20:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
Message-ID: <c42.58f14cc6.387a4d06@aol.com>

BVM Hatch latch set #5510 from Bob Violet Models Inc.
_www.bvmjets.com_ (http://www.bvmjets.com)   phone  #407-327-633  I use 
this one.  Buddy B3
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Sat Jan  9 12:51:12 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 21:51:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>
	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>


 I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch


Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218


Ron




Begin forwarded message:


From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>


  Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there?


Ron Van Putte


On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:


 
Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?
 

Thanks
 
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 14:15:45 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:15:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>
	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>
	<8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net>

No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a  
smoothly engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are  
very light.

Ron

On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

> I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not  
> beefy and is easily broken with just a little force, such as a  
> tight fit.  I've broken one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm  
> breaks, they are a bear to get open.  I like a lot of stuff from  
> Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>
> Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/ 
> uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218
>
> Ron
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
>> Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca- 
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the  
>> Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen  
>> them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there?
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:
>>
>>> Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work  
>>> on a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
> =
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From ed.lyerly at nctv.com  Sat Jan  9 14:42:54 2010
From: ed.lyerly at nctv.com (Ed Lyerly)
Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2010 23:42:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net>
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>	<8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>
	<4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <00b201ca9185$7196b320$54c41960$@lyerly@nctv.com>

I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes .. over several
years, with no problems.

Ed

 

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a smoothly
engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are very light.

 

Ron

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:





I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and
is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken
one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.

 

Jon Lowe

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

Here they are:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218 

 

Ron

 

 

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From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>

Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST

To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

 

Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black
Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the
HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there? 

 

Ron Van Putte

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:





Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

Thanks

_______________________________________________

NSRCA-discussion mailing list

NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

 

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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sat Jan  9 15:47:23 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 00:47:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <00b201ca9185$7196b320$54c41960$@lyerly@nctv.com>
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>	<8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>	<4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net>
	<00b201ca9185$7196b320$54c41960$@lyerly@nctv.com>
Message-ID: <002d01ca918e$71339570$539ac050$@rr.com>

I agree. I've tried various latches and the red one from Hobby-Lobby is the
best.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes .. over several
years, with no problems.

Ed

 

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a smoothly
engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are very light.

 

Ron

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

 

I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and
is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken
one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.

 

Jon Lowe

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

Here they are:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218 

 

Ron

 

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>

Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST

To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

 

Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black
Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the
HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there? 

 

Ron Van Putte

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:

 

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

Thanks

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NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

 

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From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Sat Jan  9 16:04:50 2010
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:04:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <28DF8DA400D140759B4B2B5C5E886E50@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPIELLFAAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>

I've like the Graupner # GR8066. I get mine from the local hobby shop but
Hobby Lobby has them.
http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1&q=latch
<http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1&q=latch>
Attached is a drawing I made.
Jim Hiller


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:08 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Jan  9 16:31:24 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:31:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <002d01ca918e$71339570$539ac050$@rr.com>
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>	<8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>	<4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net>
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Message-ID: <F7CFA697-BD08-484A-BA12-0DB4096FB51D@cox.net>

I agree that it's more sturdy, but, if you plan to CA it to the  
canopy, you should unscrew the handle and remove the pin and spring  
so you don't end up with a locked up system (guess how I know this).

Ron

On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Verne Koester wrote:

> I agree. I?ve tried various latches and the red one from Hobby- 
> Lobby is the best.
>
>
>
> Verne
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>
>
>
> I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes ?. over  
> several years, with no problems.
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>
>
>
> No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a  
> smoothly engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they  
> are very light.
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:
>
>
>
> I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not  
> beefy and is easily broken with just a little force, such as a  
> tight fit.  I've broken one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm  
> breaks, they are a bear to get open.  I like a lot of stuff from  
> Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.
>
>
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>
> Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/ 
> uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218
>
>
>
> Ron
>
>
>
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>
>
> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>
> Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST
>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
>
> Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>
>
> Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the  
> Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen  
> them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there?
>
>
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
>
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:
>
>
>
> Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on  
> a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
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>
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From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:33:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <F7CFA697-BD08-484A-BA12-0DB4096FB51D@cox.net>
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>	<8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>	<4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net><00b201ca9185$7196b320$54c41960$@lyerly@nctv.com><002d01ca918e$71339570$539ac050$@rr.com>
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Epoxy Ron... Then you don't glue it closed ;)

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ronald Van Putte 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


  I agree that it's more sturdy, but, if you plan to CA it to the canopy, you should unscrew the handle and remove the pin and spring so you don't end up with a locked up system (guess how I know this).


  Ron


  On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Verne Koester wrote:


    I agree. I?ve tried various latches and the red one from Hobby-Lobby is the best.



    Verne



    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
    Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
    To: 'General pattern discussion'
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch



    I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes ?. over several years, with no problems.

    Ed



    http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265







    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
    Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
    To: General pattern discussion
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch



    No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a smoothly engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are very light.



    Ron



    On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:



    I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.



    Jon Lowe





    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
    To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
    Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
    Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

    Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218 



    Ron





    Begin forwarded message:



    From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>

    Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST

    To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

    Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>



    Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there? 



    Ron Van Putte



    On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:



    Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?



    Thanks

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From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:35:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <23C92D36976A4FACBD8B6B1F25A08672@UncleJasPC>
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>	<8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>	<4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net><00b201ca9185$7196b320$54c41960$@lyerly@nctv.com><002d01ca918e$71339570$539ac050$@rr.com>
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Trust me, you can lock it up with epoxy too.

Ron

On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:33 PM, J Shu wrote:

> Epoxy Ron... Then you don't glue it closed ;)
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ronald Van Putte
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>
> I agree that it's more sturdy, but, if you plan to CA it to the  
> canopy, you should unscrew the handle and remove the pin and spring  
> so you don't end up with a locked up system (guess how I know this).
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Verne Koester wrote:
>
>> I agree. I?ve tried various latches and the red one from Hobby- 
>> Lobby is the best.
>>
>>
>> Verne
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>>
>>
>> I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes ?. over  
>> several years, with no problems.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>> http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>>
>>
>> No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a  
>> smoothly engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they  
>> are very light.
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:
>>
>>
>> I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not  
>> beefy and is easily broken with just a little force, such as a  
>> tight fit.  I've broken one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm  
>> breaks, they are a bear to get open.  I like a lot of stuff from  
>> Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.
>>
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>>
>> Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/ 
>> uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>>
>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>
>> Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
>>
>> Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca- 
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the  
>> Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen  
>> them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there?
>>
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:
>>
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on  
>> a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
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>>
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From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:39:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
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References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>	<8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>	<4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net><00b201ca9185$7196b320$54c41960$@lyerly@nctv.com><002d01ca918e$71339570$539ac050$@rr.com><F7CFA697-BD08-484A-BA12-0DB4096FB51D@cox.net><23C92D36976A4FACBD8B6B1F25A08672@UncleJasPC>
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LOL true

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ronald Van Putte 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:35 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


  Trust me, you can lock it up with epoxy too.


  Ron


  On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:33 PM, J Shu wrote:


    Epoxy Ron... Then you don't glue it closed ;)

    Regards,
    Jason
    www.shulmanaviation.com
    www.composite-arf.com

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ronald Van Putte 
      To: General pattern discussion 
      Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:31 PM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


      I agree that it's more sturdy, but, if you plan to CA it to the canopy, you should unscrew the handle and remove the pin and spring so you don't end up with a locked up system (guess how I know this). 


      Ron


      On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Verne Koester wrote:


        I agree. I?ve tried various latches and the red one from Hobby-Lobby is the best.


        Verne


        From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
        Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
        To: 'General pattern discussion'
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


        I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes ?. over several years, with no problems.

        Ed


        http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265




        From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
        Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
        To: General pattern discussion
        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


        No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a smoothly engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are very light.


        Ron


        On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:


        I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.


        Jon Lowe



        -----Original Message-----
        From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
        To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
        Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
        Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

        Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218 


        Ron



        Begin forwarded message:


        From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>

        Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST

        To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

        Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

        Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>


        Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there? 


        Ron Van Putte


        On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:


        Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?


        Thanks

        _______________________________________________

        NSRCA-discussion mailing list

        NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

        http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Sat Jan  9 16:40:07 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:40:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC manual
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W12439F7FB951F1847C1A90A06F0@phx.gbl>
References: <EE8D0E93E73A4254A7AD63E23E5B7B63@toshibauser>,
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Did you get them? I can go did out a set and take some pics of it

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Michael Cohen 
  To: NSRCA 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 10:19 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC manual


  Anyone have a 120 AC instruction manual they can e-mail me?
   
  Thanks.
   
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Sat Jan  9 16:47:56 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:47:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
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 Ron, It sounds like you really worked to make sure that latch didn't work.  CA AND epoxy??!!

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch


Trust me, you can lock it up with epoxy too.


Ron


On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:33 PM, J Shu wrote:


 
Epoxy Ron... Then you don't glue it closed ;)
 

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

 
  
----- Original Message ----- 
  
From:   Ronald Van Putte   
  
To: General pattern discussion   
  
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:31   PM
  
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:   Hatch Latch
  


I agree that it's more sturdy, but, if you plan to CA it to the   canopy, you should unscrew the handle and remove the pin and spring so you   don't end up with a locked up system (guess how I know this).  


  
Ron
  

  
  
On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Verne Koester wrote:

  
    
I     agree. I?ve tried various latches and the red one from Hobby-Lobby is the     best.

Verne

    
    
From:     nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]     On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010     6:43 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re:     [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


I've     used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes ?. over several years,     with no problems.
Ed

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265



    
    
From:     nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]     On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 09,     2010 6:16 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re:     [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.      However, with a smoothly engaging assembly, being beefy isn't     necessary and they are very light.
    

    
Ron
    

    
    
On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe     wrote:

    
I     can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy     and is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.      I've broken one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are     a bear to get open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this     isn't one of them.
    

    
Jon     Lowe
    

    

    
-----Original     Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General     pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent:     Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch     Latch
    
Here     they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218     
    

    
Ron
    

    

    
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Date:     January     9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST
    
To:     General     pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
    
Subject:     Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
    
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Mike     Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black Magics     he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the     HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there?     
    

    
Ron     Van Putte
    

    
    
On     Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:

    
    
Can     anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8? thich     fuse side to hold on my canopy?
    

    
Thanks

    
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From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Sat Jan  9 17:01:41 2010
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:01:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC manual
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	<COL118-W407475D9C3569B1FD77E8DA2750@phx.gbl>,
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Yep, I got an instruction sheet from Troy.  Thanks.

 

Mike C
 


From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2010 20:40:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 120 AC manual




Did you get them? I can go did out a set and take some pics of it

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


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Anyone have a 120 AC instruction manual they can e-mail me?
 
Thanks.
 
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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Sat Jan  9 17:44:12 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:44:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
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How long is the release lever on this one?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes .. over several
years, with no problems.

Ed

 

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a smoothly
engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are very light.

 

Ron

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

 

I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and
is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken
one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.

 

Jon Lowe

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

Here they are:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218 

 

Ron

 

 

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Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST

To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

 

Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black
Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the
HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there? 

 

Ron Van Putte

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:

 

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

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From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:58:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
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Come on!  Give me a break.  Two different canopies, Two different  
glues.  Same result.  At least I'm consistent!

Ron

On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

> Ron, It sounds like you really worked to make sure that latch  
> didn't work.  CA AND epoxy??!!
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 7:35 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>
> Trust me, you can lock it up with epoxy too.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 7:33 PM, J Shu wrote:
>
>> Epoxy Ron... Then you don't glue it closed ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Ronald Van Putte
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:31 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>>
>> I agree that it's more sturdy, but, if you plan to CA it to the  
>> canopy, you should unscrew the handle and remove the pin and  
>> spring so you don't end up with a locked up system (guess how I  
>> know this).
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Verne Koester wrote:
>>
>>> I agree. I?ve tried various latches and the red one from Hobby- 
>>> Lobby is the best.
>>> Verne
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
>>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>>> I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes ?. over  
>>> several years, with no problems.
>>> Ed
>>> http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
>>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>>> No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a  
>>> smoothly engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they  
>>> are very light.
>>> Ron
>>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:
>>> I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/ 
>>> not beefy and is easily broken with just a little force, such as  
>>> a tight fit.  I've broken one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the  
>>> arm breaks, they are a bear to get open.  I like a lot of stuff  
>>> from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.
>>> Jon Lowe
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>>> Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/ 
>>> uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218
>>> Ron
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>> Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
>>> Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca- 
>>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of  
>>> the Black Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have  
>>> seen them on the HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out  
>>> there?
>>> Ron Van Putte
>>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:
>>> Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work  
>>> on a 1/8? thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?
>>> Thanks
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From ed.lyerly at nctv.com  Sat Jan  9 18:00:27 2010
From: ed.lyerly at nctv.com (Ed Lyerly)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:00:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
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It is about 1/2" to 5/8" long.  It is metal, so you can cut it shorter with
a Dremel cut-off wheel if that is too long.

 

Ed

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:44 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

How long is the release lever on this one?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes .. over several
years, with no problems.

Ed

 

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a smoothly
engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are very light.

 

Ron

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

 

I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and
is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken
one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.

 

Jon Lowe

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

Here they are:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218 

 

Ron

 

 

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From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>

Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST

To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

 

Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black
Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the
HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there? 

 

Ron Van Putte

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:

 

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

Thanks

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NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

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From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:18:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 1.45 AAR
Message-ID: <5E7012269F42433BB46FC49170B956EF@WaynePC>

I have a Webra 1.45 AAR that I am willing to let go to someone in need of a start up project or beginning pattern newbie.  This engine has been rebuilt with a new piston/sleeve/ring and has a stainless bearing, new Perry pump and carb.  This engine runs good and would work with most any 2 meter plane.   Includes header.  I have been running it with an APC 18.1x10 but it struggles a little with this prop and a 17x12 or 18x10N narrow would probably work best.

Price...  what ever they feel they could afford.
Shipping.... on me.

Wayne Galligan
wgalligan at att.net
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From wgalligan at att.net  Sat Jan  9 20:50:07 2010
From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:50:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 1.45 AAR
In-Reply-To: <5E7012269F42433BB46FC49170B956EF@WaynePC>
References: <5E7012269F42433BB46FC49170B956EF@WaynePC>
Message-ID: <78038663B6C14C1AA0EF57C3F2D54BC5@WaynePC>

here's a photo of the engine

Wayne Galligan

----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Wayne Galligan 
  To: NSRCA 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 11:18 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 1.45 AAR


  I have a Webra 1.45 AAR that I am willing to let go to someone in need of a start up project or beginning pattern newbie.  This engine has been rebuilt with a new piston/sleeve/ring and has a stainless bearing, new Perry pump and carb.  This engine runs good and would work with most any 2 meter plane.   Includes header.  I have been running it with an APC 18.1x10 but it struggles a little with this prop and a 17x12 or 18x10N narrow would probably work best.

  Price...  what ever they feel they could afford.
  Shipping.... on me.

  Wayne Galligan
  wgalligan at att.net


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From wgalligan at att.net  Sat Jan  9 20:54:12 2010
From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:54:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw:  Hatch Latch
Message-ID: <D5F36F601E50462D9C1C5450FA9AFDBF@WaynePC>



Ron,

They are easy to make too.  Use c.f. tube glued to a piece of balsa stock and 3/32 wire and a wheel collar with a 4-40 socket head bolt, a spring from a pen and wahlaa...  a hatch latch.

See photo attached.

Wayne Galligan

  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 2:08 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch


  Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8" thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?



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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 10:59:47 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 19:59:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPIELLFAAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>
References: <28DF8DA400D140759B4B2B5C5E886E50@toshibauser>
	<HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPIELLFAAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <005a01ca922f$6f3e42f0$4dbac8d0$@rr.com>

I used to use the 8066 until I had a canopy that kept coming off in flight.
The spring tension is too low and under the right vibration, airframe
torque, or whatever, the latch will disengage because of the low spring
tension. I replaced the 8066 with the red one and have been using them ever
since. I used the 8066 on a number of planes before that happened without a
problem. I prefer not to chance it now that I know.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:05 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

 

I've like the Graupner # GR8066. I get mine from the local hobby shop but
Hobby Lobby has them. 

http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1
<http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1&q=latch>
&q=latch

Attached is a drawing I made.

Jim Hiller

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:08 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

 

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

Thanks

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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 11:07:04 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:07:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <F7CFA697-BD08-484A-BA12-0DB4096FB51D@cox.net>
References: <3EA18E21-FEEB-4BFF-9B35-C4BDCCFF9914@cox.net>	<D03CF17A-D6B4-482E-9FE9-9725F0317FE2@cox.net>	<8CC5F8CF13106E3-7BC8-1476D@webmail-d054.sysops.aol.com>	<4D8289A6-17CC-4571-8C8C-74DD3995AB9B@cox.net>	<00b201ca9185$7196b320$54c41960$@lyerly@nctv.com>	<002d01ca918e$71339570$539ac050$@rr.com>
	<F7CFA697-BD08-484A-BA12-0DB4096FB51D@cox.net>
Message-ID: <005f01ca9230$7411ce90$5c356bb0$@rr.com>

I mount mine with a light smear of cabosil and resin. Then I put 1 layer of
2-ounce cloth over the top. I usually have to shape a 1/8" lite ply piece to
the contours of the canopy to provide a flat spot to mount the latch to. It
usually needs to be spaced away a little anyway so it doesn't end up too
close to the edge of the flange. Sounds heavy, but it's not and it's never
coming out. Last thing I want is to try and find a new canopy during the
season that's produced in China, Ethiopia, or some other far away place.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:31 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

I agree that it's more sturdy, but, if you plan to CA it to the canopy, you
should unscrew the handle and remove the pin and spring so you don't end up
with a locked up system (guess how I know this).

 

Ron

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 6:47 PM, Verne Koester wrote:





I agree. I've tried various latches and the red one from Hobby-Lobby is the
best.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes .. over several
years, with no problems.

Ed

 

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a smoothly
engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are very light.

 

Ron

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

 

I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and
is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken
one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.

 

Jon Lowe

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

Here they are:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218 

 

Ron

 

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>

Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST

To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

 

Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black
Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the
HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there? 

 

Ron Van Putte

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:

 

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

Thanks

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NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

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From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 10 11:09:35 2010
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:09:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <005a01ca922f$6f3e42f0$4dbac8d0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPGEMAFAAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>

Right the spring seams weaker that it should be. I like it because I install
it through a bulkhead. Now you have me worried. Maybe I should just go back
to making my own.
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:00 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

I used to use the 8066 until I had a canopy that kept coming off in flight.
The spring tension is too low and under the right vibration, airframe
torque, or whatever, the latch will disengage because of the low spring
tension. I replaced the 8066 with the red one and have been using them ever
since. I used the 8066 on a number of planes before that happened without a
problem. I prefer not to chance it now that I know.

Verne

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:05 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

I've like the Graupner # GR8066. I get mine from the local hobby shop but
Hobby Lobby has them.
http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1&q=latch
<http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1&q=latch>
Attached is a drawing I made.
Jim Hiller


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:08 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

Thanks
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 11:11:35 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 20:11:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <430358A642D844379AB5A9ABBDDFFFD4@toshibauser>
References: <00b201ca9185$7196b320$54c41960$@lyerly@nctv.com>
	<430358A642D844379AB5A9ABBDDFFFD4@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <006401ca9231$1515e650$3f41b2f0$@rr.com>

Ron,

You should mount the latch so it JUST disengages at full retraction
(ahem..). You want the pin sunk into the flange as deep as possible. Our
fuses do torque and move around as we thrash around up there. You need a
cushion to compensate for that.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:44 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

How long is the release lever on this one?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

I've used this one from Hobby Lobby on several airplanes .. over several
years, with no problems.

Ed

 

http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

 

No argument on the plastic arm being fragile.  However, with a smoothly
engaging assembly, being beefy isn't necessary and they are very light.

 

Ron

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

 

I can't recommend these.  The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and
is easily broken with just a little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken
one, and so has Gary Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
open.  I like a lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of them.

 

Jon Lowe

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch

Here they are:
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218 

 

Ron

 

 

Begin forwarded message:

 

From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>

Date: January 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST

To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

Reply-To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

 

Mike Hester put some slick white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black
Magics he built.  I think they come from China and have seen them on the
HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.  Mike, are you out there? 

 

Ron Van Putte

 

On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Ron Hansen wrote:

 

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

Thanks

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NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org

http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

 

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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 10 15:35:58 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 00:35:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <006401ca9231$1515e650$3f41b2f0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <858573.83564.qm@web113305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sounds like the voice of experience . . .


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Sun, 1/10/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:11 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Ron, 
> 
> You should mount the latch so
> it JUST disengages at full
> retraction (ahem?.). You want the pin sunk into the
> flange as deep as possible.
> Our fuses do torque and move around as we thrash around up
> there. You need a
> cushion to compensate for that. 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:44 PM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
> Latch 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> How long is the release lever on
> this one? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
> Latch 
> 
> ? 
> 
> I've used this one from
> Hobby
> Lobby on several airplanes ?. over several years,
> with no problems. 
> 
> Ed 
> 
> ? 
> 
> http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
> Latch 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> No argument
> on the plastic arm
> being fragile. ?However, with a smoothly engaging
> assembly, being beefy
> isn't necessary and they are very light. 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ron 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 9,
> 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon
> Lowe wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> I can't recommend
> these.?
> The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and is
> easily broken with just a
> little force, such as a tight fit.? I've broken
> one, and so has Gary
> Courtney.? If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
> open.? I like a
> lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of
> them. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Jon Lowe 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> 
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch 
> 
> 
> 
> Here they are: ?http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218
>  
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ron 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded
> message: 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ronald
> Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: January
> 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To: General
> pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
> Hatch Latch 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Reply-To: General
> pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> Mike Hester put some slick
> white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black Magics he
> built. ?I think
> they come from China and have seen them on the
> HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.
> ?Mike, are you out there?  
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Ron Van Putte 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM,
> Ron Hansen wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Can anyone recommend a spring
> loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8? thich
> fuse side to hold on my
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sun Jan 10 17:44:27 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:44:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <858573.83564.qm@web113305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC607F0DE21C79-3E20-65D@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com>


I used BVM canopy latches on my VF3 with excellent results. Mine recesses into the rear deck bulkhead about 3/8 inch.  I also found Gary Courney's K factor article on building your own latch very informative.  P.S. Gary, my (Auburn fan) wife says Bama Fever.

Regards,
Don






-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2010 7:35 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


Sounds like the voice of experience . . .

ob Kane
etterflash at yahoo.com

-- On Sun, 1/10/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
 To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:11 PM
 
 
 
  
  
 
 
 
 
 
 
  
 
 
 
 Ron, 
 
 You should mount the latch so
 it JUST disengages at full
 retraction (ahem?.). You want the pin sunk into the
 flange as deep as possible.
 Our fuses do torque and move around as we thrash around up
 there. You need a
 cushion to compensate for that. 
 
    
 
 Verne 
 
    
 
 
 
 
 
 From:
 nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
 On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
 
 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:44 PM
 
 To: 'General pattern discussion'
 
 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
 Latch 
 
 
 
 
 
    
 
 How long is the release lever on
 this one? 
 
   
 
 -----Original Message-----
 
 From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
 Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
 
 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
 
 To: 'General pattern discussion'
 
 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
 Latch 
 
   
 
 I've used this one from
 Hobby
 Lobby on several airplanes ?. over several years,
 with no problems. 
 
 Ed 
 
   
 
 http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265
 
 
   
 
   
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
 On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
 
 Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
 
 To: General pattern discussion
 
 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
 Latch 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 No argument
 on the plastic arm
 being fragile.  However, with a smoothly engaging
 assembly, being beefy
 isn't necessary and they are very light. 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 Ron 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 9,
 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon
 Lowe wrote: 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 I can't recommend
 these. 
 The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and is
 easily broken with just a
 little force, such as a tight fit.  I've broken
 one, and so has Gary
 Courtney.  If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
 open.  I like a
 lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of
 them. 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 Jon Lowe 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 -----Original Message-----
 
 From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
 
 To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 
 Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
 
 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch 
 
 
 
 Here they are:  http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218
  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 Ron 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 Begin forwarded
 message: 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 From: Ronald
 Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Date: January
 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST 
 
 
 
 
 
 To: General
 pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
 Hatch Latch 
 
 
 
 
 
 Reply-To: General
 pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 Mike Hester put some slick
 white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black Magics he
 built.  I think
 they come from China and have seen them on the
 HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.
  Mike, are you out there?  
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 Ron Van Putte 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM,
 Ron Hansen wrote: 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 Can anyone recommend a spring
 loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8? thich
 fuse side to hold on my
 canopy? 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
 Thanks 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 _______________________________________________
 
 
 
 
 
 
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 list 
 
 
 
 
 
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 http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
 
 
 
 
 
 
   
 
 
 
 
 
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sun Jan 10 18:07:05 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:07:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Black Magic VF3 construction video
In-Reply-To: <8CC607F0DE21C79-3E20-65D@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC608239745447-3E20-A4B@webmail-d092.sysops.aol.com>

OK, After some thoughts on how to best do this for those who responded to an RCU thread on the above topic, several expressed interested in this as a catalyst to get them started.

For those contemplating building this plane that want a quick "get you started" version- a DVD which covers the 22 video shots of the fuselage framing, $11 plus $4 shipping and handling will cover my wife's time copying the files on to DVD and mailing it out. pvavon at hotmail.com she prefers paypal. The format is avi files which can be viewed on most computer video viewers. This video should cut your fuselage framing time between 25% and 75% if this is your first VF3 build. 

This is a "KISS" video. It is not professionally shot, or edited. My camera man is 9 years old. But the content is good. It shows how easy it is to frame this fuselage with no jigs, no special tools, and, (with one exception), no measuring whatsoever. Its totally built using the laser cut parts only to assemble it with minimum effort. The VF3 is a well thought out design.

In 6-8 weeks (or whenever I get around to finishing it) I'll do a full up video, professionally edited and indexed for those that want a compete build DVD. Its just that some want something now to get started since we are in the "heat" of the building season, or are looking for a catalyst to get them started building. 

Regards, 
Don Szczur

P.S. If ordering, please tell my wife you want the "Uncut Black Magic DVD". 


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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sun Jan 10 19:40:45 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 04:40:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch
In-Reply-To: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPGEMAFAAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>
References: <005a01ca922f$6f3e42f0$4dbac8d0$@rr.com>
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Message-ID: <000001ca9278$3794a620$a6bdf260$@rr.com>

Jim,

As I said, I used the Graupner 8066 on quite a few planes without a problem.
Not that it matters, but about 4 years ago, I put one in a Genesis
(electric) and the canopy blew off on the first flight. Fortunately, I was
able to find it and it wasn't damaged. I double checked everything and saw
that the latch was fully engaging into the bulkhead so I flew again. The
canopy blew off again, this time with pretty heavy damage to the canopy and
the LE of the stab it hit on the way down. I used tape for awhile and
finally removed the hatch latch and replaced it with a 4-40 screw. Starting
with my next plane, I've been using the red hatch latch because of the extra
spring stiffness and didn't change anything else about my canopy mounting
method and I haven't had any problems. My personal opinion is that the weak
spring tension on the 8066 will allow it to get pushed into the retracted
under just the right vibration and/or airframe torque conditions.

 

I had the 8066 in an electric Partner that I flew all season the year before
the Genesis and the rest of the canopy mounting method was identical. In
fact, the previous 5 or 6 planes prior to that had no problems with the 8066
latch. My guess is that if you've flown your plane with that latch and had
no problems, you probably won't. I just wouldn't pick that latch for
anything I build in the future now that I know. If my comments have you
nervous, you can just put a piece of tape over the slot so the pin can't
move and then remove the tape after your flight. I did that for awhile with
the Genesis and then replaced the latch with the 4-40 screw after I got
tired of doing the tape thing. With a little care and time, you could
probably remove the Graupner latch and replace it with the red one. Winter's
a lot better time than at the start of the competition season.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 3:10 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

 

Right the spring seams weaker that it should be. I like it because I install
it through a bulkhead. Now you have me worried. Maybe I should just go back
to making my own.

Jim

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 12:00 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

 

I used to use the 8066 until I had a canopy that kept coming off in flight.
The spring tension is too low and under the right vibration, airframe
torque, or whatever, the latch will disengage because of the low spring
tension. I replaced the 8066 with the red one and have been using them ever
since. I used the 8066 on a number of planes before that happened without a
problem. I prefer not to chance it now that I know.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 8:05 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

 

I've like the Graupner # GR8066. I get mine from the local hobby shop but
Hobby Lobby has them. 

http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1
<http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1&q=latch>
&q=latch

Attached is a drawing I made.

Jim Hiller

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 12:08 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatch Latch

 

Can anyone recommend a spring loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8"
thich fuse side to hold on my canopy?

 

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From moleski at canisius.edu  Mon Jan 11 06:36:35 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:36:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
Message-ID: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>

I've just gone through the database from the old system (nsrca.org)
and cross-referenced it with the new system (nsrca.us).

Those of you who are registered on the new system should
see your NSRCA number in your Community Builder profile.

User Menu / Your Profile

http://nsrca.us/your-profile.html

(You have to be logged in to see your profile--using
your nsrca.us username and password.)

To update your information on the old (but current) system,
log in here using your NSRCA number as your username and
the password that you use for nsrca.org:

http://nsrca.org/members/verify.asp

To update your information on the new system (soon to
become the only system, if all goes well), log in to
nsrca.us with the username and password with which you
created your account.

Then go to User Menu / Your Profile as above and
click on the tabs to see and edit your current
information.

If you make changes, then click on the Update button
at the very bottom of the page.

If you are not familiar with our predicament, you
might read this article about why there are two
sites and two different pairs of usernames and
passwords:

http://nsrca.us/component/content/article/142-article/279-two-sites.html

				Marty

From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Mon Jan 11 06:41:53 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:41:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
References: <858573.83564.qm@web113305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7092D81FC9FC49DBB74B638713296426@glazecstp32xp>

It surely is the voice of experience, Bob.  I first realized this when I was 
looking over Lonnie Martin's Prophecy,  with which he had won Masters at 
Muncie.  I noticed a fine webbing of cracks around the stabilizer, and some 
other hairline cracks that showed very faintly in the glass fuselage.  Shows 
that all kind of stressing happens.
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 7:35 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch


> Sounds like the voice of experience . . .
>
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On Sun, 1/10/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd:  Hatch Latch
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Sunday, January 10, 2010, 3:11 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> You should mount the latch so
>> it JUST disengages at full
>> retraction (ahem?.). You want the pin sunk into the
>> flange as deep as possible.
>> Our fuses do torque and move around as we thrash around up
>> there. You need a
>> cushion to compensate for that.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:44 PM
>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
>> Latch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> How long is the release lever on
>> this one?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ed Lyerly
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:43 PM
>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
>> Latch
>>
>>
>>
>> I've used this one from
>> Hobby
>> Lobby on several airplanes ?. over several years,
>> with no problems.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.hobby-lobby.com/hatchlatch.htm?pSearchQueryId=392265
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
>>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 6:16 PM
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch
>> Latch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No argument
>> on the plastic arm
>> being fragile. However, with a smoothly engaging
>> assembly, being beefy
>> isn't necessary and they are very light.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9,
>> 2010, at 3:50 PM, Jon
>> Lowe wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't recommend
>> these.
>> The plastic lever arm is too brittle/not beefy and is
>> easily broken with just a
>> little force, such as a tight fit. I've broken
>> one, and so has Gary
>> Courtney. If the arm breaks, they are a bear to get
>> open. I like a
>> lot of stuff from Hobby City, but this isn't one of
>> them.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jon Lowe
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2010 3:07 pm
>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Hatch Latch
>>
>>
>>
>> Here they are: 
>> http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=9218
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded
>> message:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Ronald
>> Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Date: January
>> 9, 2010 2:48:36 PM CST
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To: General
>> pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]
>> Hatch Latch
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Reply-To: General
>> pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Hester put some slick
>> white plastic ones on the canopy of the Black Magics he
>> built. I think
>> they come from China and have seen them on the
>> HobbyCity/HobbyKing web site.
>> Mike, are you out there?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:08 PM,
>> Ron Hansen wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Can anyone recommend a spring
>> loaded hatch latch that will work on a 1/8? thich
>> fuse side to hold on my
>> canopy?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> list
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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>>
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>> list
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From jaqfly at prodigy.net  Mon Jan 11 06:48:04 2010
From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:48:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>
Message-ID: <964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Great job Marty. Keep up the good work!
?Jim Quinn 




________________________________
From: "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski at canisius.edu>
To: NSRCA Discussion List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 10:36:33 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems

I've just gone through the database from the old system (nsrca.org)
and cross-referenced it with the new system (nsrca.us).

Those of you who are registered on the new system should
see your NSRCA number in your Community Builder profile.

User Menu / Your Profile

http://nsrca.us/your-profile.html

(You have to be logged in to see your profile--using
your nsrca.us username and password.)

To update your information on the old (but current) system,
log in here using your NSRCA number as your username and
the password that you use for nsrca.org:

http://nsrca.org/members/verify.asp

To update your information on the new system (soon to
become the only system, if all goes well), log in to
nsrca.us with the username and password with which you
created your account.

Then go to User Menu / Your Profile as above and
click on the tabs to see and edit your current
information.

If you make changes, then click on the Update button
at the very bottom of the page.

If you are not familiar with our predicament, you
might read this article about why there are two
sites and two different pairs of usernames and
passwords:

http://nsrca.us/component/content/article/142-article/279-two-sites.html

??? ??? ??? ??? Marty
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Mon Jan 11 07:10:15 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:10:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>
	<964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu>

On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn wrote:

> Great job Marty. Keep up the good work!

Thanks.  Derek and I are making decent progress
on the new K-Factor system and a storefront.

Stay tuned for further exciting developments!

			Marty

From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 07:32:26 2010
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:32:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>
	<964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu>
Message-ID: <3454543c1001110832w4cddcdc4q3059d78e93e4dd79@mail.gmail.com>

Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and everything will be
centralized.

Things to look forward to and that are currently working:

1.  A seamless way of using the storefront to renew/buy membership and to
use Paypal - cleaner than the old process.
2.  Downloading the current version and old K-Factors - much easier than the
old version.  I'm also working on scanning in VERY old K-Factors from years
past and those will also be available for downloading.
3.  We hope to be able to start selling merchandise again such as t-shirts,
polo shirts and sweaters - this will all be done through a vendor as well.
4.  The contest calendar is being updated so it should have the latest
schedule of contests for all districts.
5.  The forums are in use and are generating more and more topics.

Marty has put a lot of effort into the website recently (on the backend that
no one sees unfortunately) and he is to be commended for it.  Thank you
Marty!!

-Derek

On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu
> wrote:

> On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>
> Great job Marty. Keep up the good work!
>>
>
> Thanks.  Derek and I are making decent progress
> on the new K-Factor system and a storefront.
>
> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>
>
>                        Marty
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Jan 11 07:37:50 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 16:37:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <3454543c1001110832w4cddcdc4q3059d78e93e4dd79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>
	<964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu>
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Message-ID: <27B416CD-04BA-4541-930F-433FFF4F820B@cox.net>

Great!

BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored somewhere.

Good job by our highly paid staff.

Ron

On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:

> Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and everything  
> will be centralized.
>
> Things to look forward to and that are currently working:
>
> 1.  A seamless way of using the storefront to renew/buy membership  
> and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old process.
> 2.  Downloading the current version and old K-Factors - much easier  
> than the old version.  I'm also working on scanning in VERY old K- 
> Factors from years past and those will also be available for  
> downloading.
> 3.  We hope to be able to start selling merchandise again such as t- 
> shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will all be done through a  
> vendor as well.
> 4.  The contest calendar is being updated so it should have the  
> latest schedule of contests for all districts.
> 5.  The forums are in use and are generating more and more topics.
>
> Marty has put a lot of effort into the website recently (on the  
> backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is to be commended  
> for it.  Thank you Marty!!
>
> -Derek
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ  
> <moleski at canisius.edu> wrote:
> On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>
> Great job Marty. Keep up the good work!
>
> Thanks.  Derek and I are making decent progress
> on the new K-Factor system and a storefront.
>
> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>
>
>                        Marty
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Mon Jan 11 08:09:55 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:09:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <3454543c1001110832w4cddcdc4q3059d78e93e4dd79@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>	<964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>	<4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu>
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On 1/11/2010 11:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:

> ... Marty has put a lot of effort into the website recently (on the backend
> that no one sees unfortunately) and he is to be commended for it.  Thank
> you Marty!!

It's fun--when it works.  :-O

Thanks for the work you've done on the store and the K-Factor system.

					Marty

From wgalligan at att.net  Mon Jan 11 09:25:00 2010
From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:25:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <27B416CD-04BA-4541-930F-433FFF4F820B@cox.net>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu><964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu><3454543c1001110832w4cddcdc4q3059d78e93e4dd79@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3EC4D96F15944E0A828BFB3D69E52C66@WaynePC>

Ron,

Are those Old K-Factors written on papyrus?

Wayne Galligan


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ronald Van Putte 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:37 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems


  Great!


  BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored somewhere.


  Good job by our highly paid staff.


  Ron


  On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:


    Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and everything will be centralized.

    Things to look forward to and that are currently working:

    1.  A seamless way of using the storefront to renew/buy membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old process.
    2.  Downloading the current version and old K-Factors - much easier than the old version.  I'm also working on scanning in VERY old K-Factors from years past and those will also be available for downloading.
    3.  We hope to be able to start selling merchandise again such as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will all be done through a vendor as well.
    4.  The contest calendar is being updated so it should have the latest schedule of contests for all districts.
    5.  The forums are in use and are generating more and more topics.

    Marty has put a lot of effort into the website recently (on the backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is to be commended for it.  Thank you Marty!!

    -Derek


    On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu> wrote:

      On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn wrote:


        Great job Marty. Keep up the good work!



      Thanks.  Derek and I are making decent progress
      on the new K-Factor system and a storefront.

      Stay tuned for further exciting developments! 


                             Marty
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Jan 11 09:28:55 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:28:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <3EC4D96F15944E0A828BFB3D69E52C66@WaynePC>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu><964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu><3454543c1001110832w4cddcdc4q3059d78e93e4dd79@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <22298A6B-98F3-46E5-92A8-0B40BC990B18@cox.net>

No.  They are much too thick.  It must be clay.

Ron

On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan wrote:

> Ron,
>
> Are those Old K-Factors written on papyrus?
>
> Wayne Galligan
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ronald Van Putte
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
>
> Great!
>
> BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored somewhere.
>
> Good job by our highly paid staff.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:
>
>> Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and everything  
>> will be centralized.
>>
>> Things to look forward to and that are currently working:
>>
>> 1.  A seamless way of using the storefront to renew/buy membership  
>> and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old process.
>> 2.  Downloading the current version and old K-Factors - much  
>> easier than the old version.  I'm also working on scanning in VERY  
>> old K-Factors from years past and those will also be available for  
>> downloading.
>> 3.  We hope to be able to start selling merchandise again such as  
>> t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will all be done through  
>> a vendor as well.
>> 4.  The contest calendar is being updated so it should have the  
>> latest schedule of contests for all districts.
>> 5.  The forums are in use and are generating more and more topics.
>>
>> Marty has put a lot of effort into the website recently (on the  
>> backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is to be commended  
>> for it.  Thank you Marty!!
>>
>> -Derek
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ  
>> <moleski at canisius.edu> wrote:
>> On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>>
>> Great job Marty. Keep up the good work!
>>
>> Thanks.  Derek and I are making decent progress
>> on the new K-Factor system and a storefront.
>>
>> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>>
>>
>>                        Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Mon Jan 11 10:15:30 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:15:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new
	systems
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu><964336.47601.qm@web83305.mail.sp1.yahoo.com><4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu><3454543c1001110832w4cddcdc4q3059d78e93e4dd79@mail.gmail.com><27B416CD-04BA-4541-930F-433FFF4F820B@cox.net><3EC4D96F15944E0A828BFB3D69E52C66@WaynePC>
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I'll bet they all look the same--probably uniform cuneiform.
Bill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ronald Van Putte 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 1:28 PM
  Subject: [Bulk] Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems


  No.  They are much too thick.  It must be clay.


  Ron


  On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan wrote:


    Ron,

    Are those Old K-Factors written on papyrus?

    Wayne Galligan


    ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Ronald Van Putte 
      To: General pattern discussion 
      Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:37 AM
      Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems


      Great! 


      BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored somewhere.


      Good job by our highly paid staff.


      Ron


      On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:


        Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and everything will be centralized.

        Things to look forward to and that are currently working:

        1.  A seamless way of using the storefront to renew/buy membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old process.
        2.  Downloading the current version and old K-Factors - much easier than the old version.  I'm also working on scanning in VERY old K-Factors from years past and those will also be available for downloading.
        3.  We hope to be able to start selling merchandise again such as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will all be done through a vendor as well.
        4.  The contest calendar is being updated so it should have the latest schedule of contests for all districts.
        5.  The forums are in use and are generating more and more topics.

        Marty has put a lot of effort into the website recently (on the backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is to be commended for it.  Thank you Marty!!

        -Derek


        On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu> wrote:

          On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn wrote:


            Great job Marty. Keep up the good work!



          Thanks.  Derek and I are making decent progress
          on the new K-Factor system and a storefront.

          Stay tuned for further exciting developments! 


                                 Marty
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Mon Jan 11 10:19:44 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:19:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <27B416CD-04BA-4541-930F-433FFF4F820B@cox.net>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>
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	<4B4B4D66.1040403@canisius.edu>
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If it'll help, I know a guy at the museum that can probably translate them for us...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |  www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 11:38 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems

Great!

BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored somewhere.

Good job by our highly paid staff.

Ron

On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz wrote:


Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us<http://nsrca.us> - and everything will be centralized.

Things to look forward to and that are currently working:

1.  A seamless way of using the storefront to renew/buy membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old process.
2.  Downloading the current version and old K-Factors - much easier than the old version.  I'm also working on scanning in VERY old K-Factors from years past and those will also be available for downloading.
3.  We hope to be able to start selling merchandise again such as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will all be done through a vendor as well.
4.  The contest calendar is being updated so it should have the latest schedule of contests for all districts.
5.  The forums are in use and are generating more and more topics.

Marty has put a lot of effort into the website recently (on the backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is to be commended for it.  Thank you Marty!!

-Derek
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu<mailto:moleski at canisius.edu>> wrote:
On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn wrote:
Great job Marty. Keep up the good work!

Thanks.  Derek and I are making decent progress
on the new K-Factor system and a storefront.

Stay tuned for further exciting developments!


                       Marty
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From markmcleod at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 13:56:56 2010
From: markmcleod at comcast.net (markmcleod at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:56:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hatori 823 Header Needed
Message-ID: <28129847.9678631263250614089.JavaMail.root@sz0080a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



If anyone has a Hatori 823 header they don't need or knows of a source in the US that has one in stock, please contact me off list. Central and Radio South are out of stock. This is the low-rise header. The 822 header will not fit. 

Thanks, 

Mark 

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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 11 14:59:59 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:59:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new
	systems
In-Reply-To: <F1D4D29F0ADC43F2A3C31565C6EDF313@glazecstp32xp>
Message-ID: <415145.64114.qm@web113307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I was told they are actually transcriptions from earlier cave drawings . . . 
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new systems
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:15 PM
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> I'll bet they all look
> the same--probably uniform 
> cuneiform.
> Bill
> 
>   ----- Original Message
> ----- 
>   From: 
>   Ronald Van Putte 
>   
>   To: General
> pattern discussion 
>   
>   Sent: Monday,
> January 11, 2010 1:28 
>   PM
>   Subject: [Bulk] Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion] 
>   Cross-referencing old and new systems
>   
> No. ?They are much too thick. ?It must be
> clay.
>   
> 
>   Ron
>   
> 
>   
>   On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan
> wrote:
> 
>   
>     Ron,
>     ?
>     Are those Old
> K-Factors written on 
>     papyrus?
>     ?
>     Wayne Galligan
> 
>     ?
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     
>       From: 
>       Ronald Van 
>       Putte 
>       To: General
> pattern 
>       discussion 
>       Sent: Monday,
> January 11, 2010 10:37 
>       AM
>       Subject: Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion] 
>       Cross-referencing old and new systems
>       
> Great! 
>       
> 
>       BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored
> somewhere.
>       
> 
>       Good job by our highly paid staff.
>       
> 
>       Ron
>       
> 
>       
>       On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz
> wrote:
> 
>       
>         Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and
> everything will be 
>         centralized.
>         ?
>         Things to look forward to and that are
> currently working:
>         ?
>         1.? A seamless way of using the
> storefront to renew/buy 
>         membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old
> process.
>         2.? Downloading the current version and
> old K-Factors - much 
>         easier than the old version.? I'm also
> working on scanning in VERY 
>         old K-Factors from years past and those will also
> be available for 
>         downloading.
>         3.? We hope to be able to start selling
> merchandise again such 
>         as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will
> all be done through a 
>         vendor as well.
>         4.? The contest calendar is being updated
> so it should have 
>         the latest schedule of contests for all
> districts.
>         5.? The forums are in use and are
> generating more and more 
>         topics.
>         ?
>         Marty has put a lot of effort into the website
> recently (on the 
>         backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is
> to be commended for 
>         it.? Thank you Marty!!
>         ?
>         -Derek
> 
> 
>         On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at
> 8:10 AM, Martin X. 
>         Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu>
> 
>         wrote:
> 
>         
>           On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn
> wrote:
> 
> 
>           Great job Marty. Keep up the good 
>           work!
> 
> Thanks. ?Derek and I are making 
>           decent progress
> on the new K-Factor system and a 
>           storefront.
> 
> Stay tuned for further exciting developments! 
>           
>           
>           
> 
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 
>           ? ? ? ? 
>           ?Marty
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Jan 11 15:30:10 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:30:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new
	systems
In-Reply-To: <415145.64114.qm@web113307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <415145.64114.qm@web113307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C0D556BC-A9DF-4C75-93B2-C1A6190A5318@cox.net>

You guys do know that some day you will be blindsided by a really big  
water balloon, don't you?

Ron

On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Bob Kane wrote:

> I was told they are actually transcriptions from earlier cave  
> drawings . . .
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old  
>> and new systems
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:15 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll bet they all look
>> the same--probably uniform
>> cuneiform.
>> Bill
>>
>>   ----- Original Message
>> -----
>>   From:
>>   Ronald Van Putte
>>
>>   To: General
>> pattern discussion
>>
>>   Sent: Monday,
>> January 11, 2010 1:28
>>   PM
>>   Subject: [Bulk] Re:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>   Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>
>> No.  They are much too thick.  It must be
>> clay.
>>
>>
>>   Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Ron,
>>
>>     Are those Old
>> K-Factors written on
>>     papyrus?
>>
>>     Wayne Galligan
>>
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>       From:
>>       Ronald Van
>>       Putte
>>       To: General
>> pattern
>>       discussion
>>       Sent: Monday,
>> January 11, 2010 10:37
>>       AM
>>       Subject: Re:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>       Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>
>>       BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored
>> somewhere.
>>
>>
>>       Good job by our highly paid staff.
>>
>>
>>       Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and
>> everything will be
>>         centralized.
>>
>>         Things to look forward to and that are
>> currently working:
>>
>>         1.  A seamless way of using the
>> storefront to renew/buy
>>         membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old
>> process.
>>         2.  Downloading the current version and
>> old K-Factors - much
>>         easier than the old version.  I'm also
>> working on scanning in VERY
>>         old K-Factors from years past and those will also
>> be available for
>>         downloading.
>>         3.  We hope to be able to start selling
>> merchandise again such
>>         as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will
>> all be done through a
>>         vendor as well.
>>         4.  The contest calendar is being updated
>> so it should have
>>         the latest schedule of contests for all
>> districts.
>>         5.  The forums are in use and are
>> generating more and more
>>         topics.
>>
>>         Marty has put a lot of effort into the website
>> recently (on the
>>         backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is
>> to be commended for
>>         it.  Thank you Marty!!
>>
>>         -Derek
>>
>>
>>         On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at
>> 8:10 AM, Martin X.
>>         Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu>
>>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>
>>           On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>           Great job Marty. Keep up the good
>>           work!
>>
>> Thanks.  Derek and I are making
>>           decent progress
>> on the new K-Factor system and a
>>           storefront.
>>
>> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>            Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion
>>           mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Mon Jan 11 15:44:07 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:44:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old
	and newsystems
References: <415145.64114.qm@web113307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B8C6DF905D9D416AB83431693B7A510A@glazecstp32xp>

Perhaps we're seeing a reprise of the Dead Airplane Scrolls?  Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 6:59 PM
Subject: [Bulk] Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and 
newsystems


I was told they are actually transcriptions from earlier cave drawings . . .
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:

> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new 
> systems
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:15 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I'll bet they all look
> the same--probably uniform
> cuneiform.
> Bill
>
>   ----- Original Message
> ----- 
>   From:
>   Ronald Van Putte
>
>   To: General
> pattern discussion
>
>   Sent: Monday,
> January 11, 2010 1:28
>   PM
>   Subject: [Bulk] Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
>   Cross-referencing old and new systems
>
> No. They are much too thick. It must be
> clay.
>
>
>   Ron
>
>
>
>   On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan
> wrote:
>
>
>     Ron,
>
>     Are those Old
> K-Factors written on
>     papyrus?
>
>     Wayne Galligan
>
>
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>
>       From:
>       Ronald Van
>       Putte
>       To: General
> pattern
>       discussion
>       Sent: Monday,
> January 11, 2010 10:37
>       AM
>       Subject: Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
>       Cross-referencing old and new systems
>
> Great!
>
>
>       BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored
> somewhere.
>
>
>       Good job by our highly paid staff.
>
>
>       Ron
>
>
>
>       On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz
> wrote:
>
>
>         Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and
> everything will be
>         centralized.
>
>         Things to look forward to and that are
> currently working:
>
>         1. A seamless way of using the
> storefront to renew/buy
>         membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old
> process.
>         2. Downloading the current version and
> old K-Factors - much
>         easier than the old version. I'm also
> working on scanning in VERY
>         old K-Factors from years past and those will also
> be available for
>         downloading.
>         3. We hope to be able to start selling
> merchandise again such
>         as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will
> all be done through a
>         vendor as well.
>         4. The contest calendar is being updated
> so it should have
>         the latest schedule of contests for all
> districts.
>         5. The forums are in use and are
> generating more and more
>         topics.
>
>         Marty has put a lot of effort into the website
> recently (on the
>         backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is
> to be commended for
>         it. Thank you Marty!!
>
>         -Derek
>
>
>         On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at
> 8:10 AM, Martin X.
>         Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu>
>
>         wrote:
>
>
>           On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn
> wrote:
>
>
>           Great job Marty. Keep up the good
>           work!
>
> Thanks. Derek and I are making
>           decent progress
> on the new K-Factor system and a
>           storefront.
>
> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>           Marty
> _______________________________________________
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>           mailing list
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 16:26:31 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:26:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and
	new	systems
In-Reply-To: <C0D556BC-A9DF-4C75-93B2-C1A6190A5318@cox.net>
References: <415145.64114.qm@web113307.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C0D556BC-A9DF-4C75-93B2-C1A6190A5318@cox.net>
Message-ID: <007a01ca9326$91647280$b42d5780$@net>

Don't open the door for us to make comment on how you were there when water
was created.

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:30 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new
systems

You guys do know that some day you will be blindsided by a really big  
water balloon, don't you?

Ron

On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Bob Kane wrote:

> I was told they are actually transcriptions from earlier cave  
> drawings . . .
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old  
>> and new systems
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:15 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll bet they all look
>> the same--probably uniform
>> cuneiform.
>> Bill
>>
>>   ----- Original Message
>> -----
>>   From:
>>   Ronald Van Putte
>>
>>   To: General
>> pattern discussion
>>
>>   Sent: Monday,
>> January 11, 2010 1:28
>>   PM
>>   Subject: [Bulk] Re:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>   Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>
>> No.  They are much too thick.  It must be
>> clay.
>>
>>
>>   Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Ron,
>>
>>     Are those Old
>> K-Factors written on
>>     papyrus?
>>
>>     Wayne Galligan
>>
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>       From:
>>       Ronald Van
>>       Putte
>>       To: General
>> pattern
>>       discussion
>>       Sent: Monday,
>> January 11, 2010 10:37
>>       AM
>>       Subject: Re:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>       Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>
>>       BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored
>> somewhere.
>>
>>
>>       Good job by our highly paid staff.
>>
>>
>>       Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and
>> everything will be
>>         centralized.
>>
>>         Things to look forward to and that are
>> currently working:
>>
>>         1.  A seamless way of using the
>> storefront to renew/buy
>>         membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old
>> process.
>>         2.  Downloading the current version and
>> old K-Factors - much
>>         easier than the old version.  I'm also
>> working on scanning in VERY
>>         old K-Factors from years past and those will also
>> be available for
>>         downloading.
>>         3.  We hope to be able to start selling
>> merchandise again such
>>         as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will
>> all be done through a
>>         vendor as well.
>>         4.  The contest calendar is being updated
>> so it should have
>>         the latest schedule of contests for all
>> districts.
>>         5.  The forums are in use and are
>> generating more and more
>>         topics.
>>
>>         Marty has put a lot of effort into the website
>> recently (on the
>>         backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is
>> to be commended for
>>         it.  Thank you Marty!!
>>
>>         -Derek
>>
>>
>>         On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at
>> 8:10 AM, Martin X.
>>         Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu>
>>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>
>>           On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>           Great job Marty. Keep up the good
>>           work!
>>
>> Thanks.  Derek and I are making
>>           decent progress
>> on the new K-Factor system and a
>>           storefront.
>>
>> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>            Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion
>>           mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Mon Jan 11 16:53:09 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 01:53:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old
	and	new	systems
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E08E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Funny, I was going to comment on him being originally FROM the water ... 
--------------------------
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To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon Jan 11 20:28:37 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and	new	systems

Don't open the door for us to make comment on how you were there when water
was created.

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:30 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new
systems

You guys do know that some day you will be blindsided by a really big  
water balloon, don't you?

Ron

On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Bob Kane wrote:

> I was told they are actually transcriptions from earlier cave  
> drawings . . .
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old  
>> and new systems
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:15 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I'll bet they all look
>> the same--probably uniform
>> cuneiform.
>> Bill
>>
>>   ----- Original Message
>> -----
>>   From:
>>   Ronald Van Putte
>>
>>   To: General
>> pattern discussion
>>
>>   Sent: Monday,
>> January 11, 2010 1:28
>>   PM
>>   Subject: [Bulk] Re:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>   Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>
>> No.  They are much too thick.  It must be
>> clay.
>>
>>
>>   Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Ron,
>>
>>     Are those Old
>> K-Factors written on
>>     papyrus?
>>
>>     Wayne Galligan
>>
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>       From:
>>       Ronald Van
>>       Putte
>>       To: General
>> pattern
>>       discussion
>>       Sent: Monday,
>> January 11, 2010 10:37
>>       AM
>>       Subject: Re:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>       Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>
>> Great!
>>
>>
>>       BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored
>> somewhere.
>>
>>
>>       Good job by our highly paid staff.
>>
>>
>>       Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>       On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and
>> everything will be
>>         centralized.
>>
>>         Things to look forward to and that are
>> currently working:
>>
>>         1.  A seamless way of using the
>> storefront to renew/buy
>>         membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old
>> process.
>>         2.  Downloading the current version and
>> old K-Factors - much
>>         easier than the old version.  I'm also
>> working on scanning in VERY
>>         old K-Factors from years past and those will also
>> be available for
>>         downloading.
>>         3.  We hope to be able to start selling
>> merchandise again such
>>         as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will
>> all be done through a
>>         vendor as well.
>>         4.  The contest calendar is being updated
>> so it should have
>>         the latest schedule of contests for all
>> districts.
>>         5.  The forums are in use and are
>> generating more and more
>>         topics.
>>
>>         Marty has put a lot of effort into the website
>> recently (on the
>>         backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is
>> to be commended for
>>         it.  Thank you Marty!!
>>
>>         -Derek
>>
>>
>>         On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at
>> 8:10 AM, Martin X.
>>         Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu>
>>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>
>>           On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>           Great job Marty. Keep up the good
>>           work!
>>
>> Thanks.  Derek and I are making
>>           decent progress
>> on the new K-Factor system and a
>>           storefront.
>>
>> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>            Marty
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion
>>           mailing list
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Jan 11 18:11:48 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:11:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old
	and	new	systems
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E08E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E08E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <5DAF6992-76C0-4939-AA36-07D96714F3E3@cox.net>

I know; not water balloons.  Instead, a big squirt gun filled with  
cheap perfume.

Ron

On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Funny, I was going to comment on him being originally FROM the  
> water ...
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Mon Jan 11 20:28:37 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old  
> and	new	systems
>
> Don't open the door for us to make comment on how you were there  
> when water
> was created.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
> Ronald Van
> Putte
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:30 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old  
> and new
> systems
>
> You guys do know that some day you will be blindsided by a really big
> water balloon, don't you?
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Bob Kane wrote:
>
>> I was told they are actually transcriptions from earlier cave
>> drawings . . .
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old
>>> and new systems
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:15 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll bet they all look
>>> the same--probably uniform
>>> cuneiform.
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>   ----- Original Message
>>> -----
>>>   From:
>>>   Ronald Van Putte
>>>
>>>   To: General
>>> pattern discussion
>>>
>>>   Sent: Monday,
>>> January 11, 2010 1:28
>>>   PM
>>>   Subject: [Bulk] Re:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>>   Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>>
>>> No.  They are much too thick.  It must be
>>> clay.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     Ron,
>>>
>>>     Are those Old
>>> K-Factors written on
>>>     papyrus?
>>>
>>>     Wayne Galligan
>>>
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>       From:
>>>       Ronald Van
>>>       Putte
>>>       To: General
>>> pattern
>>>       discussion
>>>       Sent: Monday,
>>> January 11, 2010 10:37
>>>       AM
>>>       Subject: Re:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>>       Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>>
>>>       BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored
>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>       Good job by our highly paid staff.
>>>
>>>
>>>       Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and
>>> everything will be
>>>         centralized.
>>>
>>>         Things to look forward to and that are
>>> currently working:
>>>
>>>         1.  A seamless way of using the
>>> storefront to renew/buy
>>>         membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old
>>> process.
>>>         2.  Downloading the current version and
>>> old K-Factors - much
>>>         easier than the old version.  I'm also
>>> working on scanning in VERY
>>>         old K-Factors from years past and those will also
>>> be available for
>>>         downloading.
>>>         3.  We hope to be able to start selling
>>> merchandise again such
>>>         as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will
>>> all be done through a
>>>         vendor as well.
>>>         4.  The contest calendar is being updated
>>> so it should have
>>>         the latest schedule of contests for all
>>> districts.
>>>         5.  The forums are in use and are
>>> generating more and more
>>>         topics.
>>>
>>>         Marty has put a lot of effort into the website
>>> recently (on the
>>>         backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is
>>> to be commended for
>>>         it.  Thank you Marty!!
>>>
>>>         -Derek
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at
>>> 8:10 AM, Martin X.
>>>         Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu>
>>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>           On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>           Great job Marty. Keep up the good
>>>           work!
>>>
>>> Thanks.  Derek and I are making
>>>           decent progress
>>> on the new K-Factor system and a
>>>           storefront.
>>>
>>> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>            Marty
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion
>>>           mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>>
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>>> list
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Mon Jan 11 18:31:27 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:31:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing
	old	and	new	systems
In-Reply-To: <5DAF6992-76C0-4939-AA36-07D96714F3E3@cox.net>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC77E08E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<5DAF6992-76C0-4939-AA36-07D96714F3E3@cox.net>
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC911F2C@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

I think they call that "stripper dust"...  But I wouldn't know.   A valid threat though... Stillman will be all over us.

I take back everything I said that would imply that Ron predates the very fabric of time, regardless of any supporting evidence that may exist to validate that.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van Putte
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:12 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new systems

I know; not water balloons.  Instead, a big squirt gun filled with  
cheap perfume.

Ron

On Jan 11, 2010, at 7:37 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Funny, I was going to comment on him being originally FROM the  
> water ...
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Mon Jan 11 20:28:37 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old  
> and	new	systems
>
> Don't open the door for us to make comment on how you were there  
> when water
> was created.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
> Ronald Van
> Putte
> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:30 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old  
> and new
> systems
>
> You guys do know that some day you will be blindsided by a really big
> water balloon, don't you?
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 11, 2010, at 5:59 PM, Bob Kane wrote:
>
>> I was told they are actually transcriptions from earlier cave
>> drawings . . .
>> Bob Kane
>> getterflash at yahoo.com
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 1/11/10, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old
>>> and new systems
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Monday, January 11, 2010, 2:15 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'll bet they all look
>>> the same--probably uniform
>>> cuneiform.
>>> Bill
>>>
>>>   ----- Original Message
>>> -----
>>>   From:
>>>   Ronald Van Putte
>>>
>>>   To: General
>>> pattern discussion
>>>
>>>   Sent: Monday,
>>> January 11, 2010 1:28
>>>   PM
>>>   Subject: [Bulk] Re:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>>   Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>>
>>> No.  They are much too thick.  It must be
>>> clay.
>>>
>>>
>>>   Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   On Jan 11, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Wayne Galligan
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>     Ron,
>>>
>>>     Are those Old
>>> K-Factors written on
>>>     papyrus?
>>>
>>>     Wayne Galligan
>>>
>>>
>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>>       From:
>>>       Ronald Van
>>>       Putte
>>>       To: General
>>> pattern
>>>       discussion
>>>       Sent: Monday,
>>> January 11, 2010 10:37
>>>       AM
>>>       Subject: Re:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>>       Cross-referencing old and new systems
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>>
>>>       BTW, I have some VERY OLD K-Factors stored
>>> somewhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>       Good job by our highly paid staff.
>>>
>>>
>>>       Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       On Jan 11, 2010, at 10:32 AM, Derek Koopowitz
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         Pretty soon we'll have only 1 system - nsrca.us - and
>>> everything will be
>>>         centralized.
>>>
>>>         Things to look forward to and that are
>>> currently working:
>>>
>>>         1.  A seamless way of using the
>>> storefront to renew/buy
>>>         membership and to use Paypal - cleaner than the old
>>> process.
>>>         2.  Downloading the current version and
>>> old K-Factors - much
>>>         easier than the old version.  I'm also
>>> working on scanning in VERY
>>>         old K-Factors from years past and those will also
>>> be available for
>>>         downloading.
>>>         3.  We hope to be able to start selling
>>> merchandise again such
>>>         as t-shirts, polo shirts and sweaters - this will
>>> all be done through a
>>>         vendor as well.
>>>         4.  The contest calendar is being updated
>>> so it should have
>>>         the latest schedule of contests for all
>>> districts.
>>>         5.  The forums are in use and are
>>> generating more and more
>>>         topics.
>>>
>>>         Marty has put a lot of effort into the website
>>> recently (on the
>>>         backend that no one sees unfortunately) and he is
>>> to be commended for
>>>         it.  Thank you Marty!!
>>>
>>>         -Derek
>>>
>>>
>>>         On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at
>>> 8:10 AM, Martin X.
>>>         Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu>
>>>
>>>         wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>           On 1/11/2010 10:48 AM, Jim Quinn
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>           Great job Marty. Keep up the good
>>>           work!
>>>
>>> Thanks.  Derek and I are making
>>>           decent progress
>>> on the new K-Factor system and a
>>>           storefront.
>>>
>>> Stay tuned for further exciting developments!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>            Marty
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion
>>>           mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Jan 11 18:43:56 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:43:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Off Topic
Message-ID: <B2DB1CBE-BEA6-4F7D-8D0D-B3150C2554EF@cox.net>

Can anyone tell me what the Advantage Hobby four-digit number is for  
the Futaba rebate program?  I bought a Futaba radio for a friend  
through them and have asked them twice via e-mail for the number.   
They haven't responded.  It's worth $20 to him.  He's not worried  
about it, but I'm PO'd with Advantage Hobby and want him to get his  
rebate.

Ron Van Putte

From laporte at mnsi.net  Mon Jan 11 19:20:09 2010
From: laporte at mnsi.net (Len Laporte)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:20:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>
Message-ID: <2700921C3FE94A2DBAC29459230A7698@ral1xl06x8ti6j>


Marty..

Still can not login to the site

Len Laporte
NSRCA 2326


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski at canisius.edu>
To: "NSRCA Discussion List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 10:36 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems


> I've just gone through the database from the old system (nsrca.org)
> and cross-referenced it with the new system (nsrca.us).
> 
> Those of you who are registered on the new system should
> see your NSRCA number in your Community Builder profile.
> 
> User Menu / Your Profile
> 
> http://nsrca.us/your-profile.html
> 
> (You have to be logged in to see your profile--using
> your nsrca.us username and password.)
> 
> To update your information on the old (but current) system,
> log in here using your NSRCA number as your username and
> the password that you use for nsrca.org:
> 
> http://nsrca.org/members/verify.asp
> 
> To update your information on the new system (soon to
> become the only system, if all goes well), log in to
> nsrca.us with the username and password with which you
> created your account.
> 
> Then go to User Menu / Your Profile as above and
> click on the tabs to see and edit your current
> information.
> 
> If you make changes, then click on the Update button
> at the very bottom of the page.
> 
> If you are not familiar with our predicament, you
> might read this article about why there are two
> sites and two different pairs of usernames and
> passwords:
> 
> http://nsrca.us/component/content/article/142-article/279-two-sites.html
> 
> Marty
> _______________________________________________
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Mon Jan 11 19:37:07 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:37:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cross-referencing old and new systems
In-Reply-To: <2700921C3FE94A2DBAC29459230A7698@ral1xl06x8ti6j>
References: <4B4B4581.3030108@canisius.edu>
	<2700921C3FE94A2DBAC29459230A7698@ral1xl06x8ti6j>
Message-ID: <4B4BFC72.4090409@canisius.edu>

Len,

> Still can not login to the site

You cannot log in to http://nsrca.us because you have
not created a user account on the new site.

There are two different sites.  Please read this
article and see if it makes things clearer:

http://nsrca.us/component/content/article/142-article/279-two-sites.html

You can't use the username and password for nsrca.org on
nsrca.us (unless you set it up that way yourself).

Hope that helps.

				Marty

From bob at toprudder.com  Tue Jan 12 05:29:38 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:29:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [Bulk] Re: Cross-referencing old and new
	systems
In-Reply-To: <C0D556BC-A9DF-4C75-93B2-C1A6190A5318@cox.net>
Message-ID: <317701.58976.qm@web1107.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Would that be latex, or a sheep stomach balloon?

--- On Mon, 1/11/10, Ronald Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:



You guys do know that some day you will be blindsided by a really big? 
water balloon, don't you?

Ron

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From cjm767driver at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 12 05:39:03 2010
From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris Moon)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 14:39:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral wing tube
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8980B81AA9F21811B6F494836C0@phx.gbl>

Can someone please give me the length and weight for the stock CARF 
Integral wing tube?

Thanks,

Chris

From joddino at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 12 14:52:51 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 23:52:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral wing tube
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP8980B81AA9F21811B6F494836C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP8980B81AA9F21811B6F494836C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3223BDE4-4E4F-4BDB-AE78-09E39DFD2883@socal.rr.com>

Mine measures 55.5 cm and 86 grams.

Jim O


On Jan 12, 2010, at 6:39 AM, Chris Moon wrote:

> Can someone please give me the length and weight for the stock CARF Integral wing tube?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris
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From cjm767driver at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 12 19:25:47 2010
From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris Moon)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:25:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral wing tube
In-Reply-To: <3223BDE4-4E4F-4BDB-AE78-09E39DFD2883@socal.rr.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP8980B81AA9F21811B6F494836C0@phx.gbl>
	<3223BDE4-4E4F-4BDB-AE78-09E39DFD2883@socal.rr.com>
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 19:39:24 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 04:39:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
Message-ID: <51621.12086.qm@web113907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker, Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25 lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more. 

Thanks!

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From atwooddon at aol.com  Tue Jan 12 20:30:51 2010
From: atwooddon at aol.com (atwooddon at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:30:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
Message-ID: <1dfab.49928611.387eb46d@aol.com>

Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.  As far as Dualsky is concerned,  the 
XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.  These motors  will 
handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count.  How much  prop 
clearance will he have?  What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?
 
I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear  
Scorpion motors have a great reputation.  There is a guy on RC Groups  flying 
the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12  on the equivalent of a  5S 
Lipo and says it has way more power than he needs.  So, a 4S might be  about 
right.
 
"I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion 4020-12 
 with
an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a Helios 63e (60  sized) 
pattern ship
with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more power  than I need on 
this
airplane."
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  homeremo
deling2003 at yahoo.com writes:

 

I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the  
AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker,  
Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25  lbs 
all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more.  

Thanks!
 
Chris  








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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 20:43:28 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:43:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
In-Reply-To: <1dfab.49928611.387eb46d@aol.com>
References: <1dfab.49928611.387eb46d@aol.com>
Message-ID: <212311.88165.qm@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey Don. 

Thanks for the condolences on my plane. 

It's Chris Johnson from So Cal's?plane. He's going with 5 cell packs. The?wattage you said is about?right. I think 900 would be?really well actually but was asking here for backup, as it's only?going to be 4.25 lbs give or take.?Do you think he would need more than?200 watts per pound for?Intermediate and?Advanced? Heck, my 14XL's (Well, 14XL now, RIP) barely give me that.

Thanks Don!
?
Chris 







________________________________
From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:30:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice

Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.? As far as Dualsky is concerned, the XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.? These motors will handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count.? How much prop clearance will he have?? What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?

I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear Scorpion motors have a great reputation..? There is a guy on RC Groups flying the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12? on the equivalent of a 5S Lipo and says it has way more power than he needs.? So, a 4S might be about right.

"I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion 4020-12 with
an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a Helios 63e (60 sized) pattern ship
with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more power than I need on this
airplane."

In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:
I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker, Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25 lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more. 
>
>Thanks!
>
>Chris 
>
>
>
>
>
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 12 20:50:22 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 05:50:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
In-Reply-To: <212311.88165.qm@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <1dfab.49928611.387eb46d@aol.com>
	<212311.88165.qm@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5A75D5A2-D4AD-4AC9-AA09-60A2C1C55337@socal.rr.com>

What condolences on what plane?

Jim


On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:43 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:

> Hey Don.
>  
> Thanks for the condolences on my plane.
>  
> It's Chris Johnson from So Cal's plane. He's going with 5 cell packs. The wattage you said is about right. I think 900 would be really well actually but was asking here for backup, as it's only going to be 4.25 lbs give or take. Do you think he would need more than 200 watts per pound for Intermediate and Advanced? Heck, my 14XL's (Well, 14XL now, RIP) barely give me that.
>  
> Thanks Don!
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:30:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
> 
> Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.  As far as Dualsky is concerned, the XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.  These motors will handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count.  How much prop clearance will he have?  What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?
>  
> I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear Scorpion motors have a great reputation.  There is a guy on RC Groups flying the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12  on the equivalent of a 5S Lipo and says it has way more power than he needs.  So, a 4S might be about right.
>  
> "I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion 4020-12 with
> an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a Helios 63e (60 sized) pattern ship
> with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more power than I need on this
> airplane."
>  
> In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:
> I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker, Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25 lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more.
>  
> Thanks!
>  
> Chris
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Tue Jan 12 21:14:03 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:14:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
In-Reply-To: <5A75D5A2-D4AD-4AC9-AA09-60A2C1C55337@socal.rr.com>
References: <1dfab.49928611.387eb46d@aol.com>
	<212311.88165.qm@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5A75D5A2-D4AD-4AC9-AA09-60A2C1C55337@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8597B28A-A2CE-444C-9CED-EFF73C49ED9A@socal.rr.com>

I just looked at RCU.  Terrible news.  Do you run one servo on elevator?  Just wondering if losing one would be catastrophic?  If the problem was in the transmitter two servos wouldn't help.  Don't give up!

Jim
On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:50 PM, James Oddino wrote:

> What condolences on what plane?
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:43 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
> 
>> Hey Don.
>>  
>> Thanks for the condolences on my plane.
>>  
>> It's Chris Johnson from So Cal's plane. He's going with 5 cell packs. The wattage you said is about right. I think 900 would be really well actually but was asking here for backup, as it's only going to be 4.25 lbs give or take. Do you think he would need more than 200 watts per pound for Intermediate and Advanced? Heck, my 14XL's (Well, 14XL now, RIP) barely give me that.
>>  
>> Thanks Don!
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:30:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
>> 
>> Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.  As far as Dualsky is concerned, the XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.  These motors will handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count.  How much prop clearance will he have?  What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?
>>  
>> I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear Scorpion motors have a great reputation.  There is a guy on RC Groups flying the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12  on the equivalent of a 5S Lipo and says it has way more power than he needs.  So, a 4S might be about right.
>>  
>> "I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion 4020-12 with
>> an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a Helios 63e (60 sized) pattern ship
>> with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more power than I need on this
>> airplane."
>>  
>> In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:
>> I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker, Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25 lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more.
>>  
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> Chris
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 21:17:46 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:17:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
In-Reply-To: <8597B28A-A2CE-444C-9CED-EFF73C49ED9A@socal.rr.com>
References: <1dfab.49928611.387eb46d@aol.com>
	<212311.88165.qm@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5A75D5A2-D4AD-4AC9-AA09-60A2C1C55337@socal.rr.com>
	<8597B28A-A2CE-444C-9CED-EFF73C49ED9A@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <433531.9270.qm@web113916.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Shared servo wire like?Shulman runs. 
?
Chris 







________________________________
From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:13:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice

I just looked at RCU. ?Terrible news. ?Do you run one servo on elevator? ?Just wondering if losing one would be catastrophic? ?If the problem was in the transmitter two servos wouldn't help. ?Don't give up! 

Jim

On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:50 PM, James Oddino wrote:

What condolences on what plane? 
>
>
>Jim
>
>
>
>
>On Jan 12, 2010, at 9:43 PM, krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
>Hey Don.
>>
>>Thanks for the condolences on my plane.
>>
>>It's Chris Johnson from So Cal's?plane. He's going with 5 cell packs. The?wattage you said is about?right. I think 900 would be?really well actually but was asking here for backup, as it's only?going to be 4.25 lbs give or take.?Do you think he would need more than?200 watts per pound for?Intermediate and?Advanced? Heck, my 14XL's (Well, 14XL now, RIP) barely give me that.
>>
>>Thanks Don!
>>?
>>Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
________________________________
From:?"atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
>>To:?nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>Sent:?Tue, January 12, 2010 9:30:21 PM
>>Subject:?Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
>>
>>Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.? As far as Dualsky is concerned, the XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.? These motors will handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count.? How much prop clearance will he have?? What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?
>>
>>I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear Scorpion motors have a great reputation.? There is a guy on RC Groups flying the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12? on the equivalent of a 5S Lipo and says it has way more power than he needs.? So, a 4S might be about right.
>>
>>"I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion 4020-12 with
>>an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a?Helios?63e?(60 sized) pattern ship
>>with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more power than I need on this
>>airplane."
>>
>>In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,?homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com?writes:
>>I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker, Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25 lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more.
>>>
>>>Thanks!
>>>
>>>Chris
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
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From atwooddon at aol.com  Tue Jan 12 21:28:31 2010
From: atwooddon at aol.com (atwooddon at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:28:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
Message-ID: <1e910.5bee0948.387ec1fb@aol.com>

900 should do it but he could buy a motor in the 1000-1100 range and have  
some reserve by dropping the prop size a little or limiting the throttle 
high  end.  Then if Chris needs more, it's there.  Or, he could use a 4S  pack 
to start and could always move to a 5S if need be.
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2010 9:43:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:

 
Hey Don. 
 
Thanks for the condolences on my plane. 
 
It's Chris Johnson from So Cal's plane. He's going with 5 cell  packs. The 
wattage you said is about right. I think 900 would  be really well actually 
but was asking here for backup, as it's  only going to be 4.25 lbs give or 
take. Do you think he would need  more than 200 watts per pound for 
Intermediate and Advanced?  Heck, my 14XL's (Well, 14XL now, RIP) barely give me that.
 
Thanks Don!

Chris  






 
____________________________________
 From: "atwooddon at aol.com"  <atwooddon at aol.com>
To:  nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:30:21  PM
Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice

Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.  As far as Dualsky is concerned,  the 
XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.  These motors  will 
handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count.  How much  prop 
clearance will he have?  What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?
 
I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear  
Scorpion motors have a great reputation.  There is a guy on RC Groups  flying 
the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12  on the equivalent of  a 5S 
Lipo and says it has way more power than he needs.  So, a 4S might  be about 
right.
 
"I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion  
4020-12 with
an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a Helios  63e  (60 sized) 
pattern ship
with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more  power than I need on 
this
airplane."
 
 
In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:

 

I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the  
AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker,  
Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25  lbs 
all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more.  

Thanks!
 
Chris  








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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 12 21:56:17 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:56:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
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I think it's best for him to get the 5s,?and I think this is his thinking,?because he can use those in a 2m also. He was thinking the Hacker?A40-12L. Good motor,?1100w, 410kv. But I think this may be too much for it. I'm wondering?if the A40-12S or 14S?would be better if he gets a Hacker.. 900w, 610kv. 
Not sure. 

Thx

?
Chris 







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From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:28:11 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice

900 should do it but he could buy a motor in the 1000-1100 range and have some reserve by dropping the prop size a little or limiting the throttle high end.? Then if Chris needs more, it's there.? Or, he could use a 4S pack to start and could always move to a 5S if need be.

Don

In a message dated 1/12/2010 9:43:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:
Hey Don. 
>
>Thanks for the condolences on my plane. 
>
>It's Chris Johnson from So Cal's?plane. He's going with 5 cell packs. The?wattage you said is about?right. I think 900 would be?really well actually but was asking here for backup, as it's only?going to be 4.25 lbs give or take.?Do you think he would need more than?200 watts per pound for?Intermediate and?Advanced? Heck, my 14XL's (Well, 14XL now, RIP) barely give me that.
>
>Thanks Don!
>?
>Chris 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:30:21 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
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>Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.? As far as Dualsky is concerned, the XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.? These motors will handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count..? How much prop clearance will he have?? What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?
>
>I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear Scorpion motors have a great reputation.? There is a guy on RC Groups flying the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12? on the equivalent of a 5S Lipo and says it has way more power than he needs.? So, a 4S might be about right.
>
>"I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion 4020-12 with
>an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a Helios 63e (60 sized) pattern ship
>with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more power than I need on this
>airplane."
>
>In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:
>I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker, Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25 lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more. 
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>>Thanks!
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>>Chris 
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From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 12 23:00:54 2010
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:00:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
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Chris,

 

Make sure to check the length of the motors.  Helio 63 was designed around
4020-14.  14 has been dropped, but the rest are still available.

Hyperion 4020s are 36.5mm length (not including 6.5mm boss at rear).

Hacker is longer.   12S is 2.37", 12L is 2.75"  If the motor box is already
built & attached to the fuse, he will have to cut it to use longer motor.

Scorpion 4020 series should work good because of the short length.  Tommy S
used one on Helio 63.  It is 1500W max motor.

Dualsky 4240 or 4250 may work also.  No sizing data available from 2dogrc or
dualsky websites.

 

I haven't had a chance to look at the actual Helio kit even if I am a
Hyperion dealer, but some of Hyperion planes come with motor box already
attached to fuse for faster finishing.

 

4020 series 500 ~ 900 watts motor  with burst up to 1100W.

 

If motor box is not a problem, any of the above motors will work.

 

Ihncheol

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan
fitzsimmons
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 12:56 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice

 

I think it's best for him to get the 5s, and I think this is his thinking,
because he can use those in a 2m also. He was thinking the Hacker A40-12L.
Good motor, 1100w, 410kv. But I think this may be too much for it. I'm
wondering if the A40-12S or 14S would be better if he gets a Hacker. 900w,
610kv. 

Not sure. 

 

Thx


 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists..nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:28:11 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice




900 should do it but he could buy a motor in the 1000-1100 range and have
some reserve by dropping the prop size a little or limiting the throttle
high end.  Then if Chris needs more, it's there.  Or, he could use a 4S pack
to start and could always move to a 5S if need be.

 

Don

 

In a message dated 1/12/2010 9:43:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:

Hey Don. 

 

Thanks for the condolences on my plane. 

 

It's Chris Johnson from So Cal's plane. He's going with 5 cell packs. The
wattage you said is about right. I think 900 would be really well actually
but was asking here for backup, as it's only going to be 4.25 lbs give or
take. Do you think he would need more than 200 watts per pound for
Intermediate and Advanced? Heck, my 14XL's (Well, 14XL now, RIP) barely give
me that.

 

Thanks Don!
 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

 


  _____  


From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:30:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice

Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.  As far as Dualsky is concerned, the
XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.  These motors will
handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count.  How much prop
clearance will he have?  What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?

 

I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear
Scorpion motors have a great reputation.  There is a guy on RC Groups flying
the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12  on the equivalent of a 5S Lipo
and says it has way more power than he needs.  So, a 4S might be about
right.

 

"I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion 4020-12
with
an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a Helios 63e (60 sized) pattern
ship
with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more power than I need on this
airplane."

 

In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:

I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA
show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker,
Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25
lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more. 

 

Thanks!

 

Chris 

 

 

 




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From flyintexan at att.net  Wed Jan 13 03:56:23 2010
From: flyintexan at att.net (Mark Hunt)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 12:56:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Renew your NSRCA
References: <1e910.5bee0948.387ec1fb@aol.com><174682.54730.qm@web113904.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Yes, this is the "renew your membership or else" notice.  However, this medium is the best way for me (VP, dist. 6) to reach the greatest amount of members and potential new NSRCA members.

I write this note though with more of a thought of thanks and appreciation.  Thanks to those that have been members forever.  Without you we certainly wouldn't be here and despite the ups and downs (economy, personal schedules, changes to the NSRCA for better or worse) you simply renew every year.  Thanks to those who I know in recent years have given large sums of money to help both the NSRCA and the US F3A Team.  This is a handful (big handful) of people that have given without significant recognition but have seriously impacted the success of the NSRCA and the Team.  Thanks to those that run the local contests year after year and some cases, two times a year.  I am proud that in Dist. 6 (and likely in all other districts) all of the Contest Directors are members of the NSRCA.  The contribution of their time is a big one (just ask a CD:) and more importantly, having the contest/s on the schedule year after year makes is possible to attract new members in their area as well as publicly promote Precision Flying which really does improve the image of our sport.  Thanks to the board of the NSRCA who have finished the year well in the black.  This is a feat considering what a rough year it was economically as well as helping in the fund raising and direct NSRCA donation ($1000) to the US Team and the continued publication of a monthly K-Factor.  There have been great NSRCA board's in the past, but these guys (not me:) are one of the best.  And thanks to those who understand, who get it, and join.


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From jlachow at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 13 04:02:37 2010
From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:02:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
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Chris, I run the E-F Torque motor on my Angel S 50 with 5000ma 5S packs and an APCE 15X10. Plane has a flying weight of 6 lbs. It flys Masters pretty darn good with that setup. It is the 4014T/570 motor. I see E-F has the motor listed as a 4016T/500 now, but the photograph of it is the 4014T/570. Motor has run flawlessly for 200 flights so far. Don't know how the Helios compares to the Angel S though.
 


Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 22:56:14 -0800
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice






I think it's best for him to get the 5s, and I think this is his thinking, because he can use those in a 2m also. He was thinking the Hacker A40-12L. Good motor, 1100w, 410kv. But I think this may be too much for it. I'm wondering if the A40-12S or 14S would be better if he gets a Hacker. 900w, 610kv. 
Not sure. 
 
Thx

 
Chris 
 
 
 






From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists..nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 10:28:11 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice


900 should do it but he could buy a motor in the 1000-1100 range and have some reserve by dropping the prop size a little or limiting the throttle high end.  Then if Chris needs more, it's there.  Or, he could use a 4S pack to start and could always move to a 5S if need be.
 
Don
 

In a message dated 1/12/2010 9:43:36 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:


Hey Don. 
 
Thanks for the condolences on my plane. 
 
It's Chris Johnson from So Cal's plane. He's going with 5 cell packs. The wattage you said is about right. I think 900 would be really well actually but was asking here for backup, as it's only going to be 4.25 lbs give or take. Do you think he would need more than 200 watts per pound for Intermediate and Advanced? Heck, my 14XL's (Well, 14XL now, RIP) barely give me that.
 
Thanks Don!
 
Chris 
 
 
 






From: "atwooddon at aol.com" <atwooddon at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 9:30:21 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice


Probably needs 900-1100 watt range.  As far as Dualsky is concerned, the XM4250CA or XM4260CA size motors would probably work.  These motors will handle 11x6 to 15x8 props depending on battery cell count.  How much prop clearance will he have?  What pack config, 4S, 5S, 6S?
 
I am not familiar with Hacker or Scorpion in this size motor tho I hear Scorpion motors have a great reputation.  There is a guy on RC Groups flying the Helios 63e plane with a Scorpion 4020-12  on the equivalent of a 5S Lipo and says it has way more power than he needs.  So, a 4S might be about right.
 
"I'm new to electrics so I need some advice. I'm running a Scorpion 4020-12 with
an Airboss 80 Elite ESC, APC 15x8e prop, on a Helios 63e (60 sized) pattern ship
with 6S1P A123 batteries. The 4020-12 has way more power than I need on this
airplane."
 

In a message dated 1/12/2010 8:39:31 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com writes:



I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker, Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25 lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more. 
 
Thanks!
 
Chris 
 
 
 



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From ed.lyerly at nctv.com  Wed Jan 13 05:10:45 2010
From: ed.lyerly at nctv.com (Ed Lyerly)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:10:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
In-Reply-To: <51621.12086.qm@web113907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Chris,

 

You might find this thread provides some useful information:

 

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1058563
<http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1058563&highlight=helios+f3
a> &highlight=helios+f3a

 

 

Personally, I think that a E-Flite Torque 4014/570,  their Airboss 80 ESC,
and a 15x8 APC-E on a 5S  Zippy Rhino 3700 pack would be perfect for this
plane.

 

Ed

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan
fitzsimmons
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 11:39 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice

 

I have a friend here in D7 that bought a Hyperion Helios F3A 63e at the AMA
show. He called me asking what motor to use. He is thinking Hacker,
Scorpion, and Dualsky. Any suggestions for him? It is supposed to weigh 4.25
lbs all up. I have some suggestions but thought I'd ask here for some more. 

 

Thanks!

 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

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From buddyonrc at aol.com  Wed Jan 13 06:35:48 2010
From: buddyonrc at aol.com (buddyonrc at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:35:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] E motor choice
Message-ID: <2515c.298fdde1.387f423e@aol.com>

Chris
On my Helios 60e I am running the Scorpion 4020-12 with an Extreme RC  
Airboss Speed controller which has a BEC for radio power included.  Battery is a 
4s-4900 mah Rhino from Hobby King running a 15x8 Zycor wooden prop.  Servos 
are JR-3021,s on aileron JR-3421sa on elevator and JR-9411 on rudder. the  
airplane flighs very well on this setup flight time is between eight and  
eleven minutes depending on the wind and my heavy throttle thumb. I also have  
The Helios 90e which flies as well or better due to the larger  size and is 
also pattern capable.
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From patterndude at tx.rr.com  Wed Jan 13 08:13:52 2010
From: patterndude at tx.rr.com (patterndude at tx.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:13:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Renew your NSRCA
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Are u terminally ill?

Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 06:56:25 
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Wed Jan 13 08:15:58 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:15:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Renew your NSRCA
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On 1/13/2010 12:14 PM, patterndude at tx.rr.com wrote:

> Are u terminally ill?

Yes.

Nobody gets out of here alive.  :-O

				Marty

From flyintexan at att.net  Wed Jan 13 08:16:04 2010
From: flyintexan at att.net (Mark Hunt)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:16:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Renew your NSRCA
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drinkin too much 30% I guess;)




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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Jan 14 06:44:31 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:44:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
Message-ID: <876FAFE15DDA464CBCF90C20F411928C@Tony>

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.
It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there
have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts
to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

 

Thanks!

 

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Radio South, Inc.

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Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 06:52:16 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:52:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] blue lipo's (cheap)
Message-ID: <622565.18379.qm@web113918.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The list is a little quiet soooo...? Just found these on RCG and they are?cheap like Rhino's. You may have seen them.?I haven't run them, but I know some people out there like to test the cheaper stuff so here ya go. Not sure what they weigh or if they are any good, but they are priced well.? Anyone have any more info

http://http://www.hobbypartz.com/83p-5000mah-5s1p-185-25c.html
?
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From geobet4 at verizon.net  Thu Jan 14 13:01:35 2010
From: geobet4 at verizon.net (GEORGE KENNIE)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:01:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
References: <876FAFE15DDA464CBCF90C20F411928C@Tony>
Message-ID: <538AB517F38541B890D082EFABC31A11@george15cf36d8>

WOW !

How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths to fulfill the desires of a customer.

I'm greatly impressed.




  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tony 
  To: 'General pattern discussion' 
  Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN


  I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.  It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

   

  Thanks!

   

  Tony Stillman, President

  Radio South, Inc.

  139 Altama Connector, Box 322

  Brunswick, GA  31525

  1-800-962-7802

  www.radiosouthrc.com

   



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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Jan 14 13:11:16 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:11:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <538AB517F38541B890D082EFABC31A11@george15cf36d8>
References: <876FAFE15DDA464CBCF90C20F411928C@Tony>
	<538AB517F38541B890D082EFABC31A11@george15cf36d8>
Message-ID: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>

Just trying to help out. thanks George!  

BTW. Still looking for an 8JN..

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GEORGE KENNIE
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

WOW !

 

How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths to
fulfill the desires of a customer.

 

I'm greatly impressed.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'General pattern discussion' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.
It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there
have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts
to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

 

Thanks!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 


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From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net  Thu Jan 14 16:02:44 2010
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 01:02:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS for sale
In-Reply-To: <2515c.298fdde1.387f423e@aol.com>
References: <2515c.298fdde1.387f423e@aol.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca957e$7012d220$50387660$@net>

I have following YS engines for sale.

Kept them for myself to use on new planes, but family health related problem
came up.

 

1 x New in Box YS 170DZ $610.00 shipped.

1 x Used YS120SF (very good compression, ran dry and mobile 1 synthetic oil
filled for storage, with new YS4335 muffler set for 91/110).  $250.00
shipped

1 x New in Box YS63S (box is torn at one corner)  $210 shipped.

 

Paypal or Money order.

 

If interested, contact me directly off list.

 

Thanks,

 

Ihncheol

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From WallaceBill at bfusa.com  Fri Jan 15 06:48:02 2010
From: WallaceBill at bfusa.com (Wallace, Bill)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 15:48:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] blue lipo's (cheap)
In-Reply-To: <622565.18379.qm@web113918.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <622565.18379.qm@web113918.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EC91249336DBA74EB724F94D45A4D3460ACBB7B518@EXC1-AK-FIS.bfusa.com>

Hey Kris:
These are priced a little higher than the Rhino's from Hobby King, but the shipping is only $4.95 which beats Hobby king by a bunch.  Hope these work.

Bill Wallace
Fleet Sales Manager
Bridgestone Bandag Tire Solutions
4000 E. Mission Blvd.
Ontario, CA  91761
Cell Phone - 951-385-2605
Fax number - 615-493-2333


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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 7:52 AM
To: flyngreg at juno.com; orlando.johnson at bestbuy.com; Don Attwood; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] blue lipo's (cheap)

The list is a little quiet soooo...  Just found these on RCG and they are cheap like Rhino's. You may have seen them. I haven't run them, but I know some people out there like to test the cheaper stuff so here ya go. Not sure what they weigh or if they are any good, but they are priced well.  Anyone have any more info

MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "http:" claiming to be http://http://www.hobbypartz.com/83p-5000mah-5s1p-185-25c.html<http://http:/www.hobbypartz.com/83p-5000mah-5s1p-185-25c.html>

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From dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net  Fri Jan 15 08:30:06 2010
From: dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net (Dwayne Brown)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:30:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>
Message-ID: <D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine>

What does it look like?  Dwayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Just trying to help out. thanks George!  

BTW. Still looking for an 8JN..

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GEORGE KENNIE
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

WOW !

 

How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths to
fulfill the desires of a customer.

 

I'm greatly impressed.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'General pattern discussion' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.
It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there
have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts
to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

 

Thanks!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 


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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Jan 15 08:37:27 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:37:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>
	<D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine>
Message-ID: <D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>

Here is the Futaba manual. that is the only place I had a picture of it at!

http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/8jn-manual.pdf

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dwayne Brown
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:31 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

What does it look like?  Dwayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Just trying to help out. thanks George!  

BTW. Still looking for an 8JN..

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GEORGE KENNIE
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

WOW !

 

How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths to
fulfill the desires of a customer.

 

I'm greatly impressed.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'General pattern discussion' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.
It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there
have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts
to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

 

Thanks!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 


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From dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net  Fri Jan 15 10:43:09 2010
From: dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net (Dwayne Brown)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:43:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>
Message-ID: <39FE6854390941FDA71EF5016E518F9E@YoursMine>

Tony, mine's different.  Dwayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:37 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Here is the Futaba manual. that is the only place I had a picture of it at!

http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/8jn-manual.pdf

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dwayne Brown
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:31 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

What does it look like?  Dwayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Just trying to help out. thanks George!  

BTW. Still looking for an 8JN..

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GEORGE KENNIE
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

WOW !

 

How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths to
fulfill the desires of a customer.

 

I'm greatly impressed.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'General pattern discussion' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.
It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there
have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts
to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

 

Thanks!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 


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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 10:53:03 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:53:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>	<D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine>
	<D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>
Message-ID: <4B50C77D.60809@comcast.net>

Tony,
I found a 6JN in my junk area. Does he really need 8 channels in an 
antique radio. I was flying pattern with this radio once upona time
John

Tony wrote:
>
> Here is the Futaba manual... that is the only place I had a picture of 
> it at!
>
> http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/8jn-manual.pdf
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Dwayne Brown
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2010 12:31 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> What does it look like?  Dwayne
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Tony
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> Just trying to help out... thanks George! 
>
> BTW... Still looking for an 8JN....
>
>  
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *GEORGE KENNIE
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> WOW !
>
>  
>
> How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths 
> to fulfill the desires of a customer.
>
>  
>
> I'm greatly impressed.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
>     *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM
>
>     *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>      
>
>     I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want
>     to use.  It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable. 
>     Does anyone out there have one of the old TX's laying around that
>     they would part with for parts to help this guy out?  Please
>     e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com
>     <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
>      
>
>     Thanks!
>
>      
>
>     Tony Stillman, President
>
>     Radio South, Inc.
>
>     139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
>     Brunswick, GA  31525
>
>     1-800-962-7802
>
>     www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>      
>
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>
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 11:00:34 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:00:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>	<D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine>
	<D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>
Message-ID: <4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net>

Tony,

I've now found an 8JN as well. It still has a "1984 RENO NATS XMIT 
CHECK" sticker on it. If you need them, I can probably come up with 
chargers and receivers. Both of these have AM modules- 72.240 and the 
other has channel 46.

John


Tony wrote:
>
> Here is the Futaba manual... that is the only place I had a picture of 
> it at!
>
> http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/8jn-manual.pdf
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Dwayne Brown
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2010 12:31 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> What does it look like?  Dwayne
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Tony
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> Just trying to help out... thanks George! 
>
> BTW... Still looking for an 8JN....
>
>  
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *GEORGE KENNIE
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> WOW !
>
>  
>
> How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths 
> to fulfill the desires of a customer.
>
>  
>
> I'm greatly impressed.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
>     *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM
>
>     *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>      
>
>     I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want
>     to use.  It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable. 
>     Does anyone out there have one of the old TX's laying around that
>     they would part with for parts to help this guy out?  Please
>     e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com
>     <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
>      
>
>     Thanks!
>
>      
>
>     Tony Stillman, President
>
>     Radio South, Inc.
>
>     139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
>     Brunswick, GA  31525
>
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>
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Jan 15 11:05:15 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:05:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>	<D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine><D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>
	<4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <952871CC3CC749B197FB2F1FF29A9FC0@Tony>

John:
Great!  All I need out of it is a voltage regulator PCB which is a long
board inside the TX that the battery pack plugs into..  So, what do you want
for the TX?

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:00 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Tony,

I've now found an 8JN as well. It still has a "1984 RENO NATS XMIT CHECK"
sticker on it. If you need them, I can probably come up with chargers and
receivers. Both of these have AM modules- 72.240 and the other has channel
46.

John


Tony wrote: 

Here is the Futaba manual. that is the only place I had a picture of it at!

http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/8jn-manual.pdf

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dwayne Brown
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:31 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

What does it look like?  Dwayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Just trying to help out. thanks George!  

BTW. Still looking for an 8JN..

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GEORGE KENNIE
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

WOW !

 

How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths to
fulfill the desires of a customer.

 

I'm greatly impressed.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'General pattern <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  discussion' 

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.
It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there
have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts
to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

 

Thanks!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 


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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 11:16:38 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 20:16:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <952871CC3CC749B197FB2F1FF29A9FC0@Tony>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>	<D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine><D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>	<4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net>
	<952871CC3CC749B197FB2F1FF29A9FC0@Tony>
Message-ID: <4B50CD11.1030504@comcast.net>

Tony,

Nothing. I suppose it doesn't matter whether its's a 6 or an 8?
You want me to pull the board? Or do you have a display of fossilized  
Futaba equipment in the shop you could add this stuff to? It's not doing 
me any good. I just hate throwing old equipment away.

John


Tony wrote:
>
> John:
> Great!  All I need out of it is a voltage regulator PCB which is a 
> long board inside the TX that the battery pack plugs into....  So, 
> what do you want for the TX?
>
>  
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John 
> Gayer
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2010 3:00 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> Tony,
>
> I've now found an 8JN as well. It still has a "1984 RENO NATS XMIT 
> CHECK" sticker on it. If you need them, I can probably come up with 
> chargers and receivers. Both of these have AM modules- 72.240 and the 
> other has channel 46.
>
> John
>
>
> Tony wrote:
>
> Here is the Futaba manual... that is the only place I had a picture of 
> it at!
>
> http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/8jn-manual.pdf
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Dwayne Brown
> *Sent:* Friday, January 15, 2010 12:31 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> What does it look like?  Dwayne
>
>  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Tony
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11 PM
> *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> Just trying to help out... thanks George! 
>
> BTW... Still looking for an 8JN....
>
>  
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA  31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *GEORGE KENNIE
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>  
>
> WOW !
>
>  
>
> How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths 
> to fulfill the desires of a customer.
>
>  
>
> I'm greatly impressed.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     *From:* Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
>     *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
>     *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM
>
>     *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>      
>
>     I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want
>     to use.  It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable. 
>     Does anyone out there have one of the old TX's laying around that
>     they would part with for parts to help this guy out?  Please
>     e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com
>     <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
>      
>
>     Thanks!
>
>      
>
>     Tony Stillman, President
>
>     Radio South, Inc.
>
>     139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
>     Brunswick, GA  31525
>
>     1-800-962-7802
>
>     www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com>
>
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Fri Jan 15 12:11:19 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:11:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <4B50CD11.1030504@comcast.net>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>	<D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine><D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>	<4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net><952871CC3CC749B197FB2F1FF29A9FC0@Tony>
	<4B50CD11.1030504@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4208FFF154D642908A62EC889D8B72B7@Tony>

I think the 6 and 8 are the same as far as the voltage board goes, so either
is fine.  I'll be happy to reimburse you for the shipping cost.  Just let me
know and I'll PayPal you the cost, or send you a check.

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:16 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Tony,

Nothing. I suppose it doesn't matter whether its's a 6 or an 8?
You want me to pull the board? Or do you have a display of fossilized
Futaba equipment in the shop you could add this stuff to? It's not doing me
any good. I just hate throwing old equipment away.

John


Tony wrote: 

John:
Great!  All I need out of it is a voltage regulator PCB which is a long
board inside the TX that the battery pack plugs into..  So, what do you want
for the TX?

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 3:00 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Tony,

I've now found an 8JN as well. It still has a "1984 RENO NATS XMIT CHECK"
sticker on it. If you need them, I can probably come up with chargers and
receivers. Both of these have AM modules- 72.240 and the other has channel
46.

John


Tony wrote: 

Here is the Futaba manual. that is the only place I had a picture of it at!

http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/8jn-manual.pdf

 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dwayne Brown
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 12:31 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

What does it look like?  Dwayne

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Just trying to help out. thanks George!  

BTW. Still looking for an 8JN..

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of GEORGE KENNIE
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 5:01 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

WOW !

 

How many guys in the service industry would go to such great lengths to
fulfill the desires of a customer.

 

I'm greatly impressed.

 

 

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'General pattern <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  discussion' 

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.
It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there
have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts
to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

 

Thanks!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 


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From schale at optonline.net  Fri Jan 15 12:47:15 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 21:47:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <4208FFF154D642908A62EC889D8B72B7@Tony>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony>
	<D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine>
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 13:12:43 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:12:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <4B50E267.1000502@optonline.net>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony><D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine><D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>
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Tony,

This was THE worst system Futaba ever offered to market. I lost a great flying ARROW because of it and a couple lesser planes after the supposed repairs. Futaba soured it for me big time.I eventually tossed mine in the garbage

You might want to tell your customer he'll be better off with the newer equipment. I am willing to send your customer an old JR Unlimited 8 TX/RX for free. Both are same era systems except the U8 system still works great

Matt

 

 


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony 

To: 'General pattern discussion' 

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.  It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there have one of the old TX?s laying around that they would part with for parts to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com
 
Thanks!
 
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com
 


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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan 15 13:52:54 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:52:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <8CC6446F54F5255-750C-E70@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony><D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine><D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>
	<4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net><952871CC3CC749B197FB2F1FF29A9FC0@Tony>
	<4B50CD11.1030504@comcast.net><4208FFF154D642908A62EC889D8B72B7@Tony>
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	<8CC6446F54F5255-750C-E70@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com>
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Matt - What a nice offer.

Only problem -- It's a $#@! JR!  Just kidding.  I liked my JR  
Unlimited 8 too.  Still have it.

Ron

On Jan 15, 2010, at 4:12 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:

>> Tony,
>>
>> This was THE worst system Futaba ever offered to market. I lost a  
>> great flying ARROW because of it and a couple lesser planes after  
>> the supposed repairs. Futaba soured it for me big time.I  
>> eventually tossed mine in the garbage
>>
>> You might want to tell your customer he'll be better off with the  
>> newer equipment. I am willing to send your customer an old JR  
>> Unlimited 8 TX/RX for free. Both are same era systems except the  
>> U8 system still works great
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Tony
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>
>> I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want  
>> to use.  It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.   
>> Does anyone out there have one of the old TX?s laying around that  
>> they would part with for parts to help this guy out?  Please e- 
>> mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Tony Stillman, President
>> Radio South, Inc.
>> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>> Brunswick, GA  31525
>> 1-800-962-7802
>> www.radiosouthrc.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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>>
>>
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 13:53:59 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 22:53:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <8CC6446F54F5255-750C-E70@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony><D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine><D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony>	<4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net><952871CC3CC749B197FB2F1FF29A9FC0@Tony>	<4B50CD11.1030504@comcast.net><4208FFF154D642908A62EC889D8B72B7@Tony>	<4B50E267.1000502@optonline.net>
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Message-ID: <4B50F1F2.6060405@comcast.net>

Yes, I switched to the JR unlimited  as well. But then I switched back 
some years later due to problems with the early JR PCM9. That radio cost 
me several good planes. I don't remember how my Arrow got to the pattern 
airplane afterlife....

John

rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
>> Tony,
>>  
>> This was THE worst system Futaba ever offered to market. I lost a 
>> great flying ARROW because of it and a couple lesser planes after the 
>> supposed repairs. Futaba soured it for me big time.I eventually 
>> tossed mine in the garbage
>>  
>> You might want to tell your customer he'll be better off with the 
>> newer equipment. I am willing to send your customer an old JR 
>> Unlimited 8 TX/RX for free. Both are same era systems except the U8 
>> system still works great
>>  
>> Matt
>>  
>>  
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>>     *To:* 'General pattern discussion'
>>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>     *Sent:* Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM
>>     *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>      
>>     I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want
>>     to use.  It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable. 
>>     Does anyone out there have one of the old TX?s laying around that
>>     they would part with for parts to help this guy out?  Please
>>     e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com
>>     <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>>      
>>     Thanks!
>>      
>>     Tony Stillman, President
>>     Radio South, Inc.
>>     139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>>     Brunswick, GA  31525
>>     1-800-962-7802
>>     www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/>
>>      
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From bob at toprudder.com  Fri Jan 15 15:26:10 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:26:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <554308.69110.qm@web1115.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

72.240. Does it have a red/white flag?? :-)


--- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:



Tony,

I've now found an 8JN as well. It still has a "1984 RENO NATS XMIT CHECK" sticker on it. If you need them, I can probably come up with chargers and receivers. Both of these have AM modules- 72.240 and the other has channel 46.

John

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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 15:36:00 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:36:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <554308.69110.qm@web1115.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
References: <554308.69110.qm@web1115.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B5109DB.4030203@comcast.net>

I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days so I 
could see the wind.


Bob Richards wrote:
> 72.240. Does it have a red/white flag?? :-)
>
>
> --- On *Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer /<jgghome at comcast.net>/* wrote:
>
>
>     Tony,
>
>     I've now found an 8JN as well. It still has a "1984 RENO NATS XMIT
>     CHECK" sticker on it. If you need them, I can probably come up
>     with chargers and receivers. Both of these have AM modules- 72.240
>     and the other has channel 46.
>
>     John
>
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From bob at toprudder.com  Fri Jan 15 15:48:24 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 00:48:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <4B5109DB.4030203@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <42837.4281.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for?the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.? (Actually, six 72MHz and one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
?


--- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:




I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days so I could see the wind.


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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan 15 17:46:01 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:46:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <42837.4281.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
References: <42837.4281.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA70D7B3-FF3D-453A-9072-1FB5A77FF2A4@cox.net>

OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/white,  
72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was green/ 
white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?

Ron


On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:

> Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for lunch  
> the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the original  
> seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one 75MHz). I'm  
> sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days so  
> I could see the wind.
>
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Jan 15 17:50:28 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:50:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F2F@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit as I type. 
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?

Ron



On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:


		Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
	 


	--- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
	



		I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days so I could see the wind.
		
		
		

		
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan 15 17:57:54 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 02:57:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F2F@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F2F@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <E6C16BDB-6EED-4522-A57B-838628AC4CC0@cox.net>

Geez!  The most of the rest of us have to remember and he's got the  
transmitter sitting right there.  Not fair!

Ron

On Jan 15, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit  
> as I type.
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
> OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/ 
> white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was  
> green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>
>
> 		Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for  
> lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the  
> original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one  
> 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
> 	
>
>
> 	--- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
> 	
>
>
>
> 		I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days  
> so I could see the wind.
> 		
> 		
> 		
>
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From sjones1733 at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 18:02:56 2010
From: sjones1733 at aol.com (sjones1733 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:02:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
Message-ID: <32b3c.6a5be53a.3882864c@aol.com>

Ron, yellow/white was 72.960, 72.320 may have been purple/white
 
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan 15 18:17:02 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:17:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
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References: <32b3c.6a5be53a.3882864c@aol.com>
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Yeah, yeah, yeah!  I think he's right.  However, I do remember what I  
had for lunch yesterday, though - nothing.

If you remember nothing, are you remembering anything?

Ron

On Jan 15, 2010, at 9:02 PM, sjones1733 at aol.com wrote:

> Ron, yellow/white was 72.960, 72.320 may have been purple/white
>
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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Fri Jan 15 18:25:34 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:25:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
Message-ID: <0077A9A57FAD4C0584E68AD39EBAE8DD@toshibauser>

Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the first weekend in June and the
D4/D5 Shootout is the second weekend in June.  Well, Dave Johnstone just
found out that the D4/D5 shootout has been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
XFC.  That weekend conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
contest.  Here are some possible solutions:

 

1.                   Cancel shootout

 

2.                   Keep that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5
contest move to a different weekend

 

3.                   Move shootout to different weekend (According to AMA
this could be done in late May if we agree to 2.4 only)

 

4.                   Move shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend
(we would have to check with our club first).

 

5.                   Any other suggestions???

 

As far as I know, the date for the Columbus contest is flexible and so if
the date of the Hebron Contest (tentatively May 15th and 16th).  The sun is
in the box until 11 am or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6
rounds in on Sat or Sun so having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the
reason for the Memorial Day weekend).  AMA has RC events scheduled for late
may so we would have to share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only.

 

I need your feed back so the Columbus club can plan the event and Dave
Johnstone and D5 can finalize the contest schedule.

 

What say you???

 

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From lld613 at psci.net  Fri Jan 15 18:46:23 2010
From: lld613 at psci.net (Lisa n Larry)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:46:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <0077A9A57FAD4C0584E68AD39EBAE8DD@toshibauser>
References: <0077A9A57FAD4C0584E68AD39EBAE8DD@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <002401ca965e$7a369490$6ea3bdb0$@net>

I'm not in favor of having a pattern contest on Memorial Weekend. Our area
holds graduations that weekend and it will be tough for me to get away.
Others families I assume plan for getaways and may also reduce attendance.

 

We are still looking for a Evansville, IN contest date as well for 2010. It
gets a bit tricky because of the sanction and 300 miles. Evansville is on
the southern edge of D4 and D5 and close to north west D3.

 

I would say:

 

1)      Not an Option

2)      Feasible

3)      Not Feasible due to limiting to 2.4GHz and the Shootout would be
better served in mid- to late June. 

4)      I think the Cons out way the Pros as it moves the contest further
away from D5.

Larry

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 9:26 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 

Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the first weekend in June and the
D4/D5 Shootout is the second weekend in June.  Well, Dave Johnstone just
found out that the D4/D5 shootout has been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
XFC.  That weekend conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
contest.  Here are some possible solutions:

 

1.                   Cancel shootout

 

2.                   Keep that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5
contest move to a different weekend

 

3.                   Move shootout to different weekend (According to AMA
this could be done in late May if we agree to 2.4 only)

 

4.                   Move shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend
(we would have to check with our club first).

 

5.                   Any other suggestions???

 

As far as I know, the date for the Columbus contest is flexible and so if
the date of the Hebron Contest (tentatively May 15th and 16th).  The sun is
in the box until 11 am or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6
rounds in on Sat or Sun so having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the
reason for the Memorial Day weekend).  AMA has RC events scheduled for late
may so we would have to share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only.

 

I need your feed back so the Columbus club can plan the event and Dave
Johnstone and D5 can finalize the contest schedule.

 

What say you???

 

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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 18:47:24 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 03:47:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <E6C16BDB-6EED-4522-A57B-838628AC4CC0@cox.net>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F2F@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<E6C16BDB-6EED-4522-A57B-838628AC4CC0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4B5136B7.1030205@comcast.net>

I remember 72.240 as being red and white. but my memory is about the 
same as the yarn I used as a flag- rotten and moth-eaten.

John

Ronald Van Putte wrote:
> Geez!  The most of the rest of us have to remember and he's got the 
> transmitter sitting right there.  Not fair!
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit as 
>> I type.
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>
>> OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/white, 
>> 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was 
>> green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for 
>> lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the 
>> original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one 
>> 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
>>     
>>
>>
>>     --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>         I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those 
>> days so I could see the wind.
>>        
>>        
>>        
>>
>>        
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Fri Jan 15 19:00:14 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:00:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <4B5136B7.1030205@comcast.net>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F2F@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><E6C16BDB-6EED-4522-A57B-838628AC4CC0@cox.net>
	<4B5136B7.1030205@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <20A76B9A6C8549469D7D8057FAEF1DDC@UncleJasPC>

Red/White 240, Wasn't Green/White 640

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Gayer" <jgghome at comcast.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN


>I remember 72.240 as being red and white. but my memory is about the 
> same as the yarn I used as a flag- rotten and moth-eaten.
> 
> John
> 
> Ronald Van Putte wrote:
>> Geez!  The most of the rest of us have to remember and he's got the 
>> transmitter sitting right there.  Not fair!
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>
>>> Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit as 
>>> I type.
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>>
>>> OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/white, 
>>> 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was 
>>> green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for 
>>> lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the 
>>> original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one 
>>> 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
>>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>     --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those 
>>> days so I could see the wind.
>>>        
>>>        
>>>        
>>>
>>>        
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Jan 15 19:06:50 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:06:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F30@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

I'd say keep the shootout for the 5/6 and swap the columbus contest.   

The goal is to have one D4/D5 contest per month. 

June : Shootout
July : Jim Hubbard Memorial
August: Weak Signals
Sept: D4 Champs. 

This would actually space the first two out better. 
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 15 22:25:33 2010
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout is the second weekend in June.  Well, Dave Johnstone just found out that the D4/D5 shootout has been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the XFC.  That weekend conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5 contest.  Here are some possible solutions:

 

1.                   Cancel shootout

 

2.                   Keep that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5 contest move to a different weekend

 

3.                   Move shootout to different weekend (According to AMA this could be done in late May if we agree to 2.4 only)

 

4.                   Move shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend (we would have to check with our club first).

 

5.                   Any other suggestions???

 

As far as I know, the date for the Columbus contest is flexible and so if the date of the Hebron Contest (tentatively May 15th and 16th).  The sun is in the box until 11 am or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds in on Sat or Sun so having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason for the Memorial Day weekend).  AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so we would have to share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only.

 

I need your feed back so the Columbus club can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5 can finalize the contest schedule.

 

What say you???

 


From chuenkan at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 19:25:56 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:25:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <E6C16BDB-6EED-4522-A57B-838628AC4CC0@cox.net>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F2F@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<E6C16BDB-6EED-4522-A57B-838628AC4CC0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20100116042555.E296F1154E@bridi.netexpress.com>

Ron, 72.240 was red/white -- I used to fly on it...

At 09:57 PM 1/15/2010, you wrote:
>Geez!  The most of the rest of us have to remember and he's got the
>transmitter sitting right there.  Not fair!
>
>Ron
>
>On Jan 15, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>>Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit
>>as I type.
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>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>>bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>
>>OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/ 
>>white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was
>>green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
>>
>>Ron
>>
>>
>>
>>On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>
>>
>>                 Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what 
>> I ate for
>>lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the
>>original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one
>>75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
>>
>>
>>
>>         --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn 
>> in those days
>>so I could see the wind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
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From burtona at atmc.net  Fri Jan 15 19:29:56 2010
From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:29:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <20100116042555.E296F1154E@bridi.netexpress.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F2F@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>	<E6C16BDB-6EED-4522-A57B-838628AC4CC0@cox.net>
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72.160 - blue & white

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:26 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Ron, 72.240 was red/white -- I used to fly on it...

At 09:57 PM 1/15/2010, you wrote:



Geez!  The most of the rest of us have to remember and he's got the  
transmitter sitting right there.  Not fair!

Ron

On Jan 15, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:




Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit  
as I type.
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To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/ white, 72.24
was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was  
green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?

Ron



On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:


                 Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate
for  
lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the  
original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one  
75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
        


        --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net> wrote:
        



                 I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those
days  
so I could see the wind.
                 
                 
                 

                 
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From sjones1733 at aol.com  Fri Jan 15 19:34:25 2010
From: sjones1733 at aol.com (sjones1733 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 04:34:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
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Green/White 75.640
 
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Fri Jan 15 20:16:52 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:16:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <0077A9A57FAD4C0584E68AD39EBAE8DD@toshibauser>
References: <0077A9A57FAD4C0584E68AD39EBAE8DD@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <007f01ca966b$129c9840$37d5c8c0$@rr.com>

Keep the Shootout on June 5 & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible.
Nothing we can do about the AMA site.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 

Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the first weekend in June and the
D4/D5 Shootout is the second weekend in June.  Well, Dave Johnstone just
found out that the D4/D5 shootout has been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
XFC.  That weekend conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
contest.  Here are some possible solutions:

 

1.                   Cancel shootout

 

2.                   Keep that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5
contest move to a different weekend

 

3.                   Move shootout to different weekend (According to AMA
this could be done in late May if we agree to 2.4 only)

 

4.                   Move shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend
(we would have to check with our club first).

 

5.                   Any other suggestions???

 

As far as I know, the date for the Columbus contest is flexible and so if
the date of the Hebron Contest (tentatively May 15th and 16th).  The sun is
in the box until 11 am or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6
rounds in on Sat or Sun so having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the
reason for the Memorial Day weekend).  AMA has RC events scheduled for late
may so we would have to share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only.

 

I need your feed back so the Columbus club can plan the event and Dave
Johnstone and D5 can finalize the contest schedule.

 

What say you???

 

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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Sat Jan 16 02:15:22 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:15:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <007f01ca966b$129c9840$37d5c8c0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <D0086F0F53864BDBA6967A3E2696C5FB@toshibauser>

We can do the shootout on the 5 and 6th if D5 is willing to move their
contest otherwise it will be a D4 only contest.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 

Keep the Shootout on June 5 & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible.
Nothing we can do about the AMA site.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 

Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the first weekend in June and the
D4/D5 Shootout is the second weekend in June.  Well, Dave Johnstone just
found out that the D4/D5 shootout has been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
XFC.  That weekend conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
contest.  Here are some possible solutions:

 

1.                   Cancel shootout

 

2.                   Keep that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5
contest move to a different weekend

 

3.                   Move shootout to different weekend (According to AMA
this could be done in late May if we agree to 2.4 only)

 

4.                   Move shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend
(we would have to check with our club first).

 

5.                   Any other suggestions???

 

As far as I know, the date for the Columbus contest is flexible and so if
the date of the Hebron Contest (tentatively May 15th and 16th).  The sun is
in the box until 11 am or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6
rounds in on Sat or Sun so having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the
reason for the Memorial Day weekend).  AMA has RC events scheduled for late
may so we would have to share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only.

 

I need your feed back so the Columbus club can plan the event and Dave
Johnstone and D5 can finalize the contest schedule.

 

What say you???

 



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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 03:02:12 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:02:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <D0086F0F53864BDBA6967A3E2696C5FB@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <709255.16857.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Ron guys your not the only conflict.
 We are scheduled to have the Bud Weber Memorial that weekend in Milwaukee.
 I'm sure that Bobby and Dave Johnstone our reps are aware of the conflicts.
 Were meeting here for lunch today and we will see what the guys are thinking about it.
 My opinion is the Shootout has been deteriorating over the past few years as far as D5 participation. I know I've tried everything to get more D5 guys to come and have become frustrated with the low participation. Maybe it needed a shakeup anyway and this is an opportunity to start a new tradition. I don't know what that is but it's worth discussing. Any ideas of an alternative contest?
 One suggestion is to use a different venue each year as the designated location with them rotating between the 2 districts.
 Say Peoria one year and the next Toledo. The venues have to be near the borders.
 I'm sure there is a solution. It just might mean giving up Muncie.
 As far as Muncie goes I'd like to consider a NSRCA warm up weekend in late May. It would be an organized practice/Training event. Open to everyone and free. It's an idea...
 Thanks, Mike

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:

> From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 5:15 AM
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> We can do
> the shootout on the 5 and 6th
> if D5 is willing to move their contest otherwise it will be
> a D4 only contest.
> 
> ?
> 
> -----Original
> Message-----
> 
> From:
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
> 
> Sent:
> Saturday, January 16, 2010
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> 
> To:
> 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
> D4/D5 Shootout
> 
> ?
> 
> Keep
> the Shootout on June 5 & 6 and adjust the other
> contests if possible.
> Nothing we can do about the AMA site.
> 
> ?
> 
> Verne
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
> 
> Sent: Friday,
> January 15, 2010
> 10:26 PM
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> To:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> Subject:
> [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> Normally the
> Columbus Pattern
> contest is the first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout
> is the second
> weekend in June.? Well, Dave Johnstone just found out
> that the D4/D5
> shootout has been moved to June 5 & 6th due
> to the XFC.?
> That weekend conflicts with the Columbus contest and also
> the D5 contest.?
> Here are some possible solutions:
> 
> ?
> 
> 1.??????????????????
> Cancel shootout
> 
> ?
> 
> 2.??????????????????
> Keep that weekend and the Columbus
> contest and the D5 contest move to a
> different weekend
> 
> ?
> 
> 3.??????????????????
> Move shootout to different weekend
> (According to AMA this could be done
> in late May if we agree to 2.4 only)
> 
> ?
> 
> 4.??????????????????
> Move shootout to Columbus over the
> Memorial Day weekend (we would have
> to check with our club first).
> 
> ?
> 
> 5.??????????????????
> Any other
> suggestions???
> 
> ?
> 
> As far as I
> know, the date for the
> Columbus contest is flexible and so if the date of the
> Hebron Contest (tentatively
> May 15th and 16th).? The sun is
> in the box until 11
> am or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds
> in on Sat or Sun so
> having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason
> for the Memorial Day
> weekend).? AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so
> we would have to
> share the site thus the reason for 2.4
> only.
> 
> ?
> 
> I need your
> feed back so the
> Columbus club can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5
> can finalize the
> contest schedule.
> 
> ?
> 
> What say
> you???
> 
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Sat Jan 16 05:29:13 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:29:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <8CC6446F54F5255-750C-E70@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4EF6609E7AB9401595B528A36589C59A@Tony><D595F18994A64B8893C0E52D023BC697@YoursMine><D64FC566DA1748849124BCD4BA52F1B6@Tony><4B50C94F.4010801@comcast.net><952871CC3CC749B197FB2F1FF29A9FC0@Tony><4B50CD11.1030504@comcast.net><4208FFF154D642908A62EC889D8B72B7@Tony><4B50E267.1000502@optonline.net>
	<8CC6446F54F5255-750C-E70@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <00C7990DB3784CD59545BD81A4F3267F@Tony>

Steve Helms used one for several years.  I had 1 as well.  No problems that
I can remember.  The issue back then was the Carbon wipers in the pots.
Back then, we put in a bunch of Geizenndanner carbon wipers!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
rcmaster199 at aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 5:12 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

Tony,

 

This was THE worst system Futaba ever offered to market. I lost a great
flying ARROW because of it and a couple lesser planes after the supposed
repairs. Futaba soured it for me big time.I eventually tossed mine in the
garbage

 

You might want to tell your customer he'll be better off with the newer
equipment. I am willing to send your customer an old JR Unlimited 8 TX/RX
for free. Both are same era systems except the U8 system still works great

 

Matt

 

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>  

To: 'General pattern discussion' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2010 10:44 AM

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

 

I have a customer with an old Futaba 8JN transmitter that he want to use.
It has a bad encoder PC Board, and is un-repairable.  Does anyone out there
have one of the old TX's laying around that they would part with for parts
to help this guy out?  Please e-mail privately to tony at radiosouthrc.com

 

Thanks!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

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From bob at toprudder.com  Sat Jan 16 06:13:21 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:13:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
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72.080 brown/white
72.160 blue/white
72.240 red/white
72.320 purple/white
72.400 orange/white
72.960 yellow/white
75.640 green/white
?
I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and 75.640. 
?
Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft only?? :-)

I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from that era that I can consult for the answer
?
.
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From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM


Nope.? 72.400 was Orange and White.???Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit as I type. 
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OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.? Wasn't it?

Ron



On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:


??? ??? Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.? (Actually, six 72MHz and one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
?????


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??? ??? I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days so I could see the wind.
??? ??? 
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From schale at optonline.net  Sat Jan 16 06:32:43 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:32:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sat Jan 16 06:35:47 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:35:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F32@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

No, I remember picking Orange and White (72.4) as my primary because it was one of the aircraft only freq.   I just recall which ones weren't. 
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

wasn't 75.64 the only aircraft only frequency?

Bob Richards wrote: 

		72.080 brown/white
	72.160 blue/white
	72.240 red/white
	72.320 purple/white
	72.400 orange/white
	72.960 yellow/white
	75.640 green/white
	 
	I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and 75.640. 
	 
	Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft only?  :-)

	I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from that era that I can consult for the answer
	 
	.
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		From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> 
		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
		To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" <mailto:'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
		Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM
		
		
		Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit as I type. 
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		OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
		
		Ron
		
		
		
		On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
		
		
		        Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
		     
		
		
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		        I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days so I could see the wind.
		        
		        
		        
		
		        
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sat Jan 16 06:43:40 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:43:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F33@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Meant to say I DON'T recall which ones weren't. 
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Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:19:34 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

No, I remember picking Orange and White (72.4) as my primary because it was one of the aircraft only freq.   I just recall which ones weren't. 
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To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:32:35 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

wasn't 75.64 the only aircraft only frequency?

Bob Richards wrote: 

		72.080 brown/white
	72.160 blue/white
	72.240 red/white
	72.320 purple/white
	72.400 orange/white
	72.960 yellow/white
	75.640 green/white
	 
	I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and 75.640. 
	 
	Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft only?  :-)

	I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from that era that I can consult for the answer
	 
	.
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		From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> 
		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
		To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" <mailto:'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
		Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM
		
		
		Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit as I type. 
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		OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
		
		Ron
		
		
		
		On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
		
		
		        Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
		     
		
		
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		        I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days so I could see the wind.
		        
		        
		        
		
		        
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Jan 16 06:48:55 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:48:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
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References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F33@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
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Sigh........ It happens to all of us sooner or later.

Ron

On Jan 16, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Meant to say I DON'T recall which ones weren't.
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
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> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' <nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:19:34 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
> No, I remember picking Orange and White (72.4) as my primary  
> because it was one of the aircraft only freq.   I just recall which  
> ones weren't.
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
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> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:32:35 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
> wasn't 75.64 the only aircraft only frequency?
>
> Bob Richards wrote:
>
> 		72.080 brown/white
> 	72.160 blue/white
> 	72.240 red/white
> 	72.320 purple/white
> 	72.400 orange/white
> 	72.960 yellow/white
> 	75.640 green/white
> 	
> 	I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and  
> 75.640.
> 	
> 	Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft  
> only?  :-)
>
> 	I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from  
> that era that I can consult for the answer
> 	
> 	.
> 	--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  wrote:
> 	
>
>
> 		From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> 		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
> 		To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" <mailto:'nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org'>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 		Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM
> 		
> 		
> 		Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit  
> as I type.
> 		--------------------------
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> 		
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> 		Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
> 		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
> 		
> 		OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/ 
> white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was  
> green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
> 		
> 		Ron
> 		
> 		
> 		
> 		On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
> 		
> 		
> 		        Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate  
> for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for  
> the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and  
> one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
> 		
> 		
> 		
> 		    --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net <http:// 
> us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgghome at comcast.net> > wrote:
> 		
> 		
> 		
> 		
> 		        I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in  
> those days so I could see the wind.
> 		
> 		
> 		
> 		
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 06:52:25 2010
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:52:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
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Hmm....I think 75.640 and 72.240 were plane only...and 72.320 was
both....not sure about the rest.

Dave

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
Putte
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:49 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

Sigh........ It happens to all of us sooner or later.

Ron

On Jan 16, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Meant to say I DON'T recall which ones weren't.
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
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> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' <nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:19:34 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
> No, I remember picking Orange and White (72.4) as my primary  
> because it was one of the aircraft only freq.   I just recall which  
> ones weren't.
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:32:35 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
> wasn't 75.64 the only aircraft only frequency?
>
> Bob Richards wrote:
>
> 		72.080 brown/white
> 	72.160 blue/white
> 	72.240 red/white
> 	72.320 purple/white
> 	72.400 orange/white
> 	72.960 yellow/white
> 	75.640 green/white
> 	
> 	I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and  
> 75.640.
> 	
> 	Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft  
> only?  :-)
>
> 	I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from  
> that era that I can consult for the answer
> 	
> 	.
> 	--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  wrote:
> 	
>
>
> 		From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> 		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
> 		To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" <mailto:'nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org'>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 		Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM
> 		
> 		
> 		Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4
Heathkit  
> as I type.
> 		--------------------------
> 		Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 		
> 		
> 		----- Original Message -----
> 		From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <http:// 
> us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>  <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org  
> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org> >
> 		To: General pattern discussion
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org  
> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >
> 		Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
> 		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
> 		
> 		OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was
red/ 
> white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was  
> green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
> 		
> 		Ron
> 		
> 		
> 		
> 		On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
> 		
> 		
> 		        Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I
ate  
> for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for  
> the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and  
> one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
> 		
> 		
> 		
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<http:// 
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> 		
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> 		        I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 06:53:09 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:53:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F32@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
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I think it was every other one in the 72 mHz band that was aircraft only, 
brown/white, red/white, orange/white.  I don't remember for sure, 
green/white might have been exclusive aircraft.

Ed

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Atwood, Mark" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:19 AM
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

> No, I remember picking Orange and White (72.4) as my primary because it 
> was one of the aircraft only freq.   I just recall which ones weren't.
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:32:35 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
> wasn't 75.64 the only aircraft only frequency?
>
> Bob Richards wrote:
>
> 72.080 brown/white
> 72.160 blue/white
> 72.240 red/white
> 72.320 purple/white
> 72.400 orange/white
> 72.960 yellow/white
> 75.640 green/white
>
> I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and 75.640.
>
> Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft only?  :-)
>
> I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from that 
> era that I can consult for the answer
>
> .
> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> 
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  wrote:
>
>
>
> From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> 
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
> To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" 
> <mailto:'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'> 
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM
>
>
> Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4 Heathkit as I 
> type.
> --------------------------
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> Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
> OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was red/white, 
> 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was green/white and 
> 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
>
> Ron
>
>
>
> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>
>
>         Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I ate for lunch 
> the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for the original seven 
> 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and one 75MHz). I'm sure I still 
> have some of those old frequency flags.
>
>
>
>     --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net 
> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgghome at comcast.net> > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>         I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn in those days 
> so I could see the wind.
>
>
>
>
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 06:53:48 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:53:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <5A58E2CA3F1E49B185A37CDB85FBCE79@davedesktop>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F33@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><1297D422-E101-44F0-AE52-86547D4F605D@cox.net>
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I know for sure that 72.240 red/white was AC only - I picked it for that 
reason.

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From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:48 AM
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN

> Hmm....I think 75.640 and 72.240 were plane only...and 72.320 was
> both....not sure about the rest.
>
> Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
> Putte
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:49 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
> Sigh........ It happens to all of us sooner or later.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 16, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> Meant to say I DON'T recall which ones weren't.
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-
>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' <nsrca-
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:19:34 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>
>> No, I remember picking Orange and White (72.4) as my primary
>> because it was one of the aircraft only freq.   I just recall which
>> ones weren't.
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-
>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:32:35 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>
>> wasn't 75.64 the only aircraft only frequency?
>>
>> Bob Richards wrote:
>>
>> 72.080 brown/white
>> 72.160 blue/white
>> 72.240 red/white
>> 72.320 purple/white
>> 72.400 orange/white
>> 72.960 yellow/white
>> 75.640 green/white
>>
>> I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and
>> 75.640.
>>
>> Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft
>> only?  :-)
>>
>> I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from
>> that era that I can consult for the answer
>>
>> .
>> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>> To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" <mailto:'nsrca-
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org'>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM
>>
>>
>> Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4
> Heathkit
>> as I type.
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <http://
>> us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-
>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>  <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-
>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org> >
>> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-
>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >
>> Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>
>> OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was
> red/
>> white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was
>> green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I
> ate
>> for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for
>> the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and
>> one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
>>
>>
>>
>>     --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net
> <http://
>> us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgghome at comcast.net> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn
> in
>> those days so I could see the wind.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From jjvoth at mtelco.net  Sat Jan 16 07:21:12 2010
From: jjvoth at mtelco.net (Jerry Voth)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 16:21:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <BLU121-DS5EEF8162ECFC107A86BBFE8680@phx.gbl>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E24D3F33@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><1297D422-E101-44F0-AE52-86547D4F605D@cox.net><5A58E2CA3F1E49B185A37CDB85FBCE79@davedesktop>
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Try here;  http://fatlion.com/sailplanes/radiohistory.html
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed Alt" <ed_alt at hotmail.com>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN


>I know for sure that 72.240 red/white was AC only - I picked it for that 
>reason.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net>
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:48 AM
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>
>> Hmm....I think 75.640 and 72.240 were plane only...and 72.320 was
>> both....not sure about the rest.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van
>> Putte
>> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:49 AM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>
>> Sigh........ It happens to all of us sooner or later.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>
>>> Meant to say I DON'T recall which ones weren't.
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' <nsrca-
>>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:19:34 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>>
>>> No, I remember picking Orange and White (72.4) as my primary
>>> because it was one of the aircraft only freq.   I just recall which
>>> ones weren't.
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:32:35 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>>
>>> wasn't 75.64 the only aircraft only frequency?
>>>
>>> Bob Richards wrote:
>>>
>>> 72.080 brown/white
>>> 72.160 blue/white
>>> 72.240 red/white
>>> 72.320 purple/white
>>> 72.400 orange/white
>>> 72.960 yellow/white
>>> 75.640 green/white
>>>
>>> I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and
>>> 75.640.
>>>
>>> Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft
>>> only?  :-)
>>>
>>> I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from
>>> that era that I can consult for the answer
>>>
>>> .
>>> --- On Fri, 1/15/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>> To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" <mailto:'nsrca-
>>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org'>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Nope.  72.400 was Orange and White.   Looking at my 72.4
>> Heathkit
>>> as I type.
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <http://
>>> us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>  <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org> >
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-
>>> discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >
>>> Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
>>>
>>> OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was
>> red/
>>> white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was
>>> green/white and 75.64 was blue/white.  Wasn't it?
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>         Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I
>> ate
>>> for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for
>>> the original seven 72 MHz frequencies.  (Actually, six 72MHz and
>>> one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     --- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net
>> <http://
>>> us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jgghome at comcast.net> > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn
>> in
>>> those days so I could see the wind.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sat Jan 16 09:27:08 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:27:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <D0086F0F53864BDBA6967A3E2696C5FB@toshibauser>
References: <007f01ca966b$129c9840$37d5c8c0$@rr.com>
	<D0086F0F53864BDBA6967A3E2696C5FB@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <002201ca96d9$7a57bb40$6f0731c0$@rr.com>

I think a big part of the attendance problem is because of the rain forecast
for the old date, year in and year out. Seems it ALWAYS rained on that
weekend. A change of dates is a good thing that might boost the attendance
back up. The other factor affecting all the contests is the economy and
we're just going to have to ride that one out.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:15 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 

We can do the shootout on the 5 and 6th if D5 is willing to move their
contest otherwise it will be a D4 only contest.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 

Keep the Shootout on June 5 & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible.
Nothing we can do about the AMA site.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 

Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the first weekend in June and the
D4/D5 Shootout is the second weekend in June.  Well, Dave Johnstone just
found out that the D4/D5 shootout has been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
XFC.  That weekend conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
contest.  Here are some possible solutions:

 

1.                   Cancel shootout

 

2.                   Keep that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5
contest move to a different weekend

 

3.                   Move shootout to different weekend (According to AMA
this could be done in late May if we agree to 2.4 only)

 

4.                   Move shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend
(we would have to check with our club first).

 

5.                   Any other suggestions???

 

As far as I know, the date for the Columbus contest is flexible and so if
the date of the Hebron Contest (tentatively May 15th and 16th).  The sun is
in the box until 11 am or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6
rounds in on Sat or Sun so having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the
reason for the Memorial Day weekend).  AMA has RC events scheduled for late
may so we would have to share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only.

 

I need your feed back so the Columbus club can plan the event and Dave
Johnstone and D5 can finalize the contest schedule.

 

What say you???

 



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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Sat Jan 16 09:47:20 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:47:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <5A58E2CA3F1E49B185A37CDB85FBCE79@davedesktop>
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Yes, 75.64 was plane only.? I used that one.? 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave" <DaveL322 at comcast.net> 
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 9:48:51 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN 

Hmm....I think 75.640 and 72.240 were plane only...and 72.320 was 
both....not sure about the rest. 

Dave 

-----Original Message----- 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ronald Van 
Putte 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:49 AM 
To: General pattern discussion 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN 

Sigh........ It happens to all of us sooner or later. 

Ron 

On Jan 16, 2010, at 9:27 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 

> Meant to say I DON'T recall which ones weren't. 
> -------------------------- 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' <nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:19:34 2010 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN 
> 
> No, I remember picking Orange and White (72.4) as my primary ? 
> because it was one of the aircraft only freq. ? I just recall which ? 
> ones weren't. 
> -------------------------- 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> Sent: Sat Jan 16 10:32:35 2010 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN 
> 
> wasn't 75.64 the only aircraft only frequency? 
> 
> Bob Richards wrote: 
> 
> ????????????????72.080 brown/white 
> ????????72.160 blue/white 
> ????????72.240 red/white 
> ????????72.320 purple/white 
> ????????72.400 orange/white 
> ????????72.960 yellow/white 
> ????????75.640 green/white 
> ???????? 
> ????????I owned all of them at one time or another, except for 72.080 and ? 
> 75.640. 
> ???????? 
> ????????Now, how many of you can remember which ones were for aircraft ? 
> only? ?:-) 
> 
> ????????I can't remember, but I have an old AMA rule book (or 4 or 5) from ? 
> that era that I can consult for the answer 
> ???????? 
> ????????. 
> ????????--- On Fri, 1/15/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> ? 
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> ?wrote: 
> ???????? 
> 
> 
> ????????????????From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> ? 
> <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> 
> ????????????????Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN 
> ????????????????To: "'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'" <mailto:'nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org'> ?<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> ? 
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> ????????????????Date: Friday, January 15, 2010, 9:34 PM 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ????????????????Nope. ?72.400 was Orange and White. ? Looking at my 72.4 
Heathkit ? 
> as I type. 
> ????????????????-------------------------- 
> ????????????????Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ????????????????----- Original Message ----- 
> ????????????????From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <http:// 
> us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org> ?<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org ? 
> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org> > 
> ????????????????To: General pattern discussion 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org ? 
> <http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca- 
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > 
> ????????????????Sent: Fri Jan 15 21:45:56 2010 
> ????????????????Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN 
> ???????????????? 
> ????????????????OK, I think can remember. 72.08 was brown/white, 72.16 was 
red/ 
> white, 72.24 was orange/white, 72.32 was yellow/white, 72.400 was ? 
> green/white and 75.64 was blue/white. ?Wasn't it? 
> ???????????????? 
> ????????????????Ron 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ????????????????On Jan 15, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Bob Richards wrote: 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? ? ? ? ?Its funny that I have a hard time remembering what I 
ate ? 
> for lunch the day before, but I can remember the flag colors for ? 
> the original seven 72 MHz frequencies. ?(Actually, six 72MHz and ? 
> one 75MHz). I'm sure I still have some of those old frequency flags. 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? ? ?--- On Fri, 1/15/10, John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net 
<http:// 
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> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? 
> ???????????????? ? ? ? ?I think it rotted or the moths got it. I used yarn 
in ? 
> those days so I could see the wind. 
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From flyintexan at att.net  Sat Jan 16 09:47:36 2010
From: flyintexan at att.net (Mark Hunt)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 18:47:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller
References: <007f01ca966b$129c9840$37d5c8c0$@rr.com><D0086F0F53864BDBA6967A3E2696C5FB@toshibauser>
	<002201ca96d9$7a57bb40$6f0731c0$@rr.com>
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All:

A friend of mine spoke with Karl's wife 2 days ago.  She says Karl is recovering.  The treatment worked and she is very happy.  She wanted to thank all who supplied the prayers and well wishes.



Best Regards,
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 10:58:07 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:58:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller
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	<B9F9670458244186857F63DD4DEFEEB6@MARK>
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That's great news Mike!

Ed


From: Mark Hunt 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:47 PM
To: General pattern discussion 
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller


All:

A friend of mine spoke with Karl's wife 2 days ago.  She says Karl is recovering.  The treatment worked and she is very happy.  She wanted to thank all who supplied the prayers and well wishes.



Best Regards,
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 10:58:30 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:58:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller
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Sorry, I meant Mark.  


From: Ed Alt 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 2:58 PM
To: General pattern discussion 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller


That's great news Mike!

Ed


From: Mark Hunt 
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:47 PM
To: General pattern discussion 
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller


All:

A friend of mine spoke with Karl's wife 2 days ago.  She says Karl is recovering.  The treatment worked and she is very happy.  She wanted to thank all who supplied the prayers and well wishes.



Best Regards,
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 11:14:39 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:14:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <002201ca96d9$7a57bb40$6f0731c0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <769987.61810.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Verne it looks like the date issue has been solved. Milwaukee has agreed to shift theirs back a week and I think the Shootout is back on.
 The problems you mention about weather is so true. Seems more often than not it plays into it.
 Remember 4 years ago we had 50 fliers show up only to get rained out for the whole weekend.
 We will do all we can to get a good attendance this year. Mike

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I think a big part of the
> attendance problem is because of the
> rain forecast for the old date, year in and year out. Seems
> it ALWAYS rained on
> that weekend. A change of dates is a good thing that might
> boost the attendance
> back up. The other factor affecting all the contests is the
> economy and we?re
> just going to have to ride that one out. 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:15 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> We can do the shootout on the 5
> and 6th if D5 is willing
> to move their contest otherwise it will be a D4 only
> contest. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Verne
> Koester
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Keep the Shootout on June 5
> & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible. Nothing
> we can do about the
> AMA site. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the
> first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout is the second
> weekend in
> June.? Well, Dave Johnstone just found out that the
> D4/D5 shootout has
> been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
> XFC.? That weekend
> conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
> contest.? Here are
> some possible solutions: 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 1.??????????????????
> Cancel
> shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 2.??????????????????
> Keep
> that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5 contest
> move to a different
> weekend 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 3.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to different weekend (According to AMA this could
> be done in late May
> if we agree to 2.4 only) 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 4.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend (we
> would have to check with
> our club first). 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 5.??????????????????
> Any
> other suggestions??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> As far as I know, the date for the Columbus
> contest is flexible and so if the date of the Hebron
> Contest (tentatively May
> 15th and 16th).? The sun is in
> the box until 11 am
> or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds in
> on Sat or Sun so
> having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason
> for the Memorial Day
> weekend).? AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so
> we would have to
> share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> I need your feed back so the Columbus club
> can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5 can finalize
> the contest schedule. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> What say you??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
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From sjones1733 at aol.com  Sat Jan 16 12:17:48 2010
From: sjones1733 at aol.com (sjones1733 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:17:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
Message-ID: <ad5e.c2732c9.388386f0@aol.com>

72.160 72.320 72.960 were shared with car and boats.
 
  I lost a nice Minimaster at a school yard when a guy with an rc car  
turned on in the parking lot. Both of us were on 72.960
 
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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Sat Jan 16 14:33:50 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:33:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <769987.61810.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F9FF6408D55348FD9B9F72AF5C8E77E4@toshibauser>

So when do we want to have the Columbus contest??

May 22/23
June 12/13
June 19/20

All dates will be subject to club approval.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 Verne it looks like the date issue has been solved. Milwaukee has agreed to
shift theirs back a week and I think the Shootout is back on.
 The problems you mention about weather is so true. Seems more often than
not it plays into it.
 Remember 4 years ago we had 50 fliers show up only to get rained out for
the whole weekend.
 We will do all we can to get a good attendance this year. Mike

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I think a big part of the
> attendance problem is because of the
> rain forecast for the old date, year in and year out. Seems
> it ALWAYS rained on
> that weekend. A change of dates is a good thing that might
> boost the attendance
> back up. The other factor affecting all the contests is the
> economy and we?re
> just going to have to ride that one out. 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:15 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> We can do the shootout on the 5
> and 6th if D5 is willing
> to move their contest otherwise it will be a D4 only
> contest. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Verne
> Koester
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Keep the Shootout on June 5
> & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible. Nothing
> we can do about the
> AMA site. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the
> first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout is the second
> weekend in
> June.? Well, Dave Johnstone just found out that the
> D4/D5 shootout has
> been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
> XFC.? That weekend
> conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
> contest.? Here are
> some possible solutions: 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 1.??????????????????
> Cancel
> shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 2.??????????????????
> Keep
> that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5 contest
> move to a different
> weekend 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 3.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to different weekend (According to AMA this could
> be done in late May
> if we agree to 2.4 only) 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 4.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend (we
> would have to check with
> our club first). 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 5.??????????????????
> Any
> other suggestions??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> As far as I know, the date for the Columbus
> contest is flexible and so if the date of the Hebron
> Contest (tentatively May
> 15th and 16th).? The sun is in
> the box until 11 am
> or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds in
> on Sat or Sun so
> having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason
> for the Memorial Day
> weekend).? AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so
> we would have to
> share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> I need your feed back so the Columbus club
> can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5 can finalize
> the contest schedule. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> What say you??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Sat Jan 16 14:49:35 2010
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (George Miller)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 23:49:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller
In-Reply-To: <B9F9670458244186857F63DD4DEFEEB6@MARK>
References: <007f01ca966b$129c9840$37d5c8c0$@rr.com><D0086F0F53864BDBA6967A3E2696C5FB@toshibauser>
	<002201ca96d9$7a57bb40$6f0731c0$@rr.com>
	<B9F9670458244186857F63DD4DEFEEB6@MARK>
Message-ID: <9899B130-EB3B-40A4-9EA1-F182EE4CADB4@suddenlink.net>

That is great news!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2010, at 12:47 PM, "Mark Hunt" <flyintexan at att.net> wrote:

> All:
>
> A friend of mine spoke with Karl's wife 2 days ago.  She says Karl  
> is recovering.  The treatment worked and she is very happy.  She  
> wanted to thank all who supplied the prayers and well wishes.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
> Mark
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From bob at toprudder.com  Sat Jan 16 15:05:12 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:05:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8JN
In-Reply-To: <ad5e.c2732c9.388386f0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <556368.66750.qm@web1109.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Yep, we have a winner. 
?
Found this link to an old Futaba manual.
http://manuals.hobbico.com/fut/2gs-manual.pdf
Last page shows the shared frequencies with an asterisk. It also shows the first new frequencies as this must have been during the initial phase-in period.
?
Bob R.


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72.160 72.320 72.960 were shared with car and boats.
?
? I lost a nice Minimaster at a school yard when a guy with an rc car turned on in the parking lot. Both of us were on 72.960
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sat Jan 16 15:55:04 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:55:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <F9FF6408D55348FD9B9F72AF5C8E77E4@toshibauser>
References: <769987.61810.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<F9FF6408D55348FD9B9F72AF5C8E77E4@toshibauser>
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May's too early. I've seen many years where we don't even have a chance to
fly until the end of May because of bad weather.

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:34 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

So when do we want to have the Columbus contest??

May 22/23
June 12/13
June 19/20

All dates will be subject to club approval.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 Verne it looks like the date issue has been solved. Milwaukee has agreed to
shift theirs back a week and I think the Shootout is back on.
 The problems you mention about weather is so true. Seems more often than
not it plays into it.
 Remember 4 years ago we had 50 fliers show up only to get rained out for
the whole weekend.
 We will do all we can to get a good attendance this year. Mike

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I think a big part of the
> attendance problem is because of the
> rain forecast for the old date, year in and year out. Seems
> it ALWAYS rained on
> that weekend. A change of dates is a good thing that might
> boost the attendance
> back up. The other factor affecting all the contests is the
> economy and we?re
> just going to have to ride that one out. 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:15 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> We can do the shootout on the 5
> and 6th if D5 is willing
> to move their contest otherwise it will be a D4 only
> contest. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Verne
> Koester
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Keep the Shootout on June 5
> & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible. Nothing
> we can do about the
> AMA site. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the
> first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout is the second
> weekend in
> June.? Well, Dave Johnstone just found out that the
> D4/D5 shootout has
> been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
> XFC.? That weekend
> conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
> contest.? Here are
> some possible solutions: 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 1.??????????????????
> Cancel
> shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 2.??????????????????
> Keep
> that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5 contest
> move to a different
> weekend 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 3.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to different weekend (According to AMA this could
> be done in late May
> if we agree to 2.4 only) 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 4.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend (we
> would have to check with
> our club first). 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 5.??????????????????
> Any
> other suggestions??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> As far as I know, the date for the Columbus
> contest is flexible and so if the date of the Hebron
> Contest (tentatively May
> 15th and 16th).? The sun is in
> the box until 11 am
> or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds in
> on Sat or Sun so
> having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason
> for the Memorial Day
> weekend).? AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so
> we would have to
> share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> I need your feed back so the Columbus club
> can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5 can finalize
> the contest schedule. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> What say you??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Sat Jan 16 16:05:55 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:05:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <002101ca970f$ad405ae0$07c110a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <6C4DCD6322AF402B940860E58786FBD7@toshibauser>

What do you think about June 12/13.  That would make back to back weekends.
The later in June we get the worse the sun gets.

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:55 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

May's too early. I've seen many years where we don't even have a chance to
fly until the end of May because of bad weather.

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:34 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

So when do we want to have the Columbus contest??

May 22/23
June 12/13
June 19/20

All dates will be subject to club approval.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 Verne it looks like the date issue has been solved. Milwaukee has agreed to
shift theirs back a week and I think the Shootout is back on.
 The problems you mention about weather is so true. Seems more often than
not it plays into it.
 Remember 4 years ago we had 50 fliers show up only to get rained out for
the whole weekend.
 We will do all we can to get a good attendance this year. Mike

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I think a big part of the
> attendance problem is because of the
> rain forecast for the old date, year in and year out. Seems
> it ALWAYS rained on
> that weekend. A change of dates is a good thing that might
> boost the attendance
> back up. The other factor affecting all the contests is the
> economy and we?re
> just going to have to ride that one out. 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:15 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> We can do the shootout on the 5
> and 6th if D5 is willing
> to move their contest otherwise it will be a D4 only
> contest. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Verne
> Koester
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Keep the Shootout on June 5
> & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible. Nothing
> we can do about the
> AMA site. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the
> first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout is the second
> weekend in
> June.? Well, Dave Johnstone just found out that the
> D4/D5 shootout has
> been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
> XFC.? That weekend
> conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
> contest.? Here are
> some possible solutions: 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 1.??????????????????
> Cancel
> shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 2.??????????????????
> Keep
> that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5 contest
> move to a different
> weekend 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 3.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to different weekend (According to AMA this could
> be done in late May
> if we agree to 2.4 only) 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 4.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend (we
> would have to check with
> our club first). 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 5.??????????????????
> Any
> other suggestions??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> As far as I know, the date for the Columbus
> contest is flexible and so if the date of the Hebron
> Contest (tentatively May
> 15th and 16th).? The sun is in
> the box until 11 am
> or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds in
> on Sat or Sun so
> having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason
> for the Memorial Day
> weekend).? AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so
> we would have to
> share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> I need your feed back so the Columbus club
> can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5 can finalize
> the contest schedule. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> What say you??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From d_bodary at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 16:09:35 2010
From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 01:09:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <6C4DCD6322AF402B940860E58786FBD7@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <544098.78239.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I think the 12th i might not make it. probably be in Indiana

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:


From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 8:05 PM


What do you think about June 12/13.? That would make back to back weekends.
The later in June we get the worse the sun gets.

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:55 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

May's too early. I've seen many years where we don't even have a chance to
fly until the end of May because of bad weather.

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:34 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

So when do we want to have the Columbus contest??

May 22/23
June 12/13
June 19/20

All dates will be subject to club approval.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

Verne it looks like the date issue has been solved. Milwaukee has agreed to
shift theirs back a week and I think the Shootout is back on.
The problems you mention about weather is so true. Seems more often than
not it plays into it.
Remember 4 years ago we had 50 fliers show up only to get rained out for
the whole weekend.
We will do all we can to get a good attendance this year. Mike

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
> 
> 
> 
>? 
>? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>? 
> 
> 
> 
> I think a big part of the
> attendance problem is because of the
> rain forecast for the old date, year in and year out. Seems
> it ALWAYS rained on
> that weekend. A change of dates is a good thing that might
> boost the attendance
> back up. The other factor affecting all the contests is the
> economy and we?re
> just going to have to ride that one out. 
> 
>? ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>? ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:15 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>? ? 
> 
> We can do the shootout on the 5
> and 6th if D5 is willing
> to move their contest otherwise it will be a D4 only
> contest. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Verne
> Koester
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Keep the Shootout on June 5
> & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible. Nothing
> we can do about the
> AMA site. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the
> first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout is the second
> weekend in
> June.? Well, Dave Johnstone just found out that the
> D4/D5 shootout has
> been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
> XFC.? That weekend
> conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
> contest.? Here are
> some possible solutions: 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 1.??????????????????
> Cancel
> shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 2.??????????????????
> Keep
> that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5 contest
> move to a different
> weekend 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 3.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to different weekend (According to AMA this could
> be done in late May
> if we agree to 2.4 only) 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 4.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend (we
> would have to check with
> our club first). 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 5.??????????????????
> Any
> other suggestions??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> As far as I know, the date for the Columbus
> contest is flexible and so if the date of the Hebron
> Contest (tentatively May
> 15th and 16th).? The sun is in
> the box until 11 am
> or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds in
> on Sat or Sun so
> having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason
> for the Memorial Day
> weekend).? AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so
> we would have to
> share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> I need your feed back so the Columbus club
> can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5 can finalize
> the contest schedule. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> What say you??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 18:41:22 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:41:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
Message-ID: <658218.8663.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Just finished helping my daughter and her husband relocate to Fort Knox, KY.  Are there any contests in the area?  Thanks.

  
Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


      

From iflyrc24 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 18:55:28 2010
From: iflyrc24 at gmail.com (DoWayne Gould)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 03:55:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <544098.78239.qm@web51706.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4b528a2a.1ac1f10a.69f8.ffffdcd4@mx.google.com>

This is why I picked the first week end in June for our contest. Any earlier
and you get into very good chances of unpleasant weather, planes n pilots
not being contest ready and graduations, any later and we have problems with
the sun in the box till 11am and getting close to other club functions.

Dowayne

 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Bodary
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:10 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 


I think the 12th i might not make it. probably be in Indiana

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:


From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 8:05 PM

What do you think about June 12/13.  That would make back to back weekends.
The later in June we get the worse the sun gets.

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists
.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:55 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

May's too early. I've seen many years where we don't even have a chance to
fly until the end of May because of bad weather.

Verne

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
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.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:34 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

So when do we want to have the Columbus contest??

May 22/23
June 12/13
June 19/20

All dates will be subject to club approval.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
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.nsrca.org> 
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
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.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

Verne it looks like the date issue has been solved. Milwaukee has agreed to
shift theirs back a week and I think the Shootout is back on.
The problems you mention about weather is so true. Seems more often than
not it plays into it.
Remember 4 years ago we had 50 fliers show up only to get rained out for
the whole weekend.
We will do all we can to get a good attendance this year. Mike

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=verne at twmi.rr.com> > wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=verne at twmi.rr.com> >
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.o
rg> >
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I think a big part of the
> attendance problem is because of the
> rain forecast for the old date, year in and year out. Seems
> it ALWAYS rained on
> that weekend. A change of dates is a good thing that might
> boost the attendance
> back up. The other factor affecting all the contests is the
> economy and we're
> just going to have to ride that one out. 
> 
>    
> 
> Verne 
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists
.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists
.nsrca.org> ] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:15 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> We can do the shootout on the 5
> and 6th if D5 is willing
> to move their contest otherwise it will be a D4 only
> contest. 
> 
>   
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists
.nsrca.org> ] On
> Behalf Of Verne
> Koester
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
>   
> 
> Keep the Shootout on June 5
> & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible. Nothing
> we can do about the
> AMA site. 
> 
>   
> 
> Verne 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists
.nsrca.org> 
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<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists
.nsrca.org> ] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.o
rg> 
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   
> 
> Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the
> first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout is the second
> weekend in
> June.  Well, Dave Johnstone just found out that the
> D4/D5 shootout has
> been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
> XFC.  That weekend
> conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
> contest.  Here are
> some possible solutions: 
> 
>   
> 
> 1.                  
> Cancel
> shootout 
> 
>   
> 
> 2.                  
> Keep
> that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5 contest
> move to a different
> weekend 
> 
>   
> 
> 3.                  
> Move
> shootout to different weekend (According to AMA this could
> be done in late May
> if we agree to 2.4 only) 
> 
>   
> 
> 4.                  
> Move
> shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend (we
> would have to check with
> our club first). 
> 
>   
> 
> 5.                  
> Any
> other suggestions??? 
> 
>   
> 
> As far as I know, the date for the Columbus
> contest is flexible and so if the date of the Hebron
> Contest (tentatively May
> 15th and 16th).  The sun is in
> the box until 11 am
> or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds in
> on Sat or Sun so
> having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason
> for the Memorial Day
> weekend).  AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so
> we would have to
> share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only. 
> 
>   
> 
> I need your feed back so the Columbus club
> can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5 can finalize
> the contest schedule. 
> 
>   
> 
> What say you??? 
> 
>   
> 
> 
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sat Jan 16 20:57:42 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:57:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
In-Reply-To: <6C4DCD6322AF402B940860E58786FBD7@toshibauser>
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I'm good with it. Probably should see what the other guys have to say. BTW,
I'm not saying I wouldn't come at the end of May, but it would have a lot to
do with practice/weather.

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:06 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

What do you think about June 12/13.  That would make back to back weekends.
The later in June we get the worse the sun gets.

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Verne Koester
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 7:55 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

May's too early. I've seen many years where we don't even have a chance to
fly until the end of May because of bad weather.

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:34 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

So when do we want to have the Columbus contest??

May 22/23
June 12/13
June 19/20

All dates will be subject to club approval.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout

 Verne it looks like the date issue has been solved. Milwaukee has agreed to
shift theirs back a week and I think the Shootout is back on.
 The problems you mention about weather is so true. Seems more often than
not it plays into it.
 Remember 4 years ago we had 50 fliers show up only to get rained out for
the whole weekend.
 We will do all we can to get a good attendance this year. Mike

--- On Sat, 1/16/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5 Shootout
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2010, 12:26 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I think a big part of the
> attendance problem is because of the
> rain forecast for the old date, year in and year out. Seems
> it ALWAYS rained on
> that weekend. A change of dates is a good thing that might
> boost the attendance
> back up. The other factor affecting all the contests is the
> economy and we?re
> just going to have to ride that one out. 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 6:15 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> We can do the shootout on the 5
> and 6th if D5 is willing
> to move their contest otherwise it will be a D4 only
> contest. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Verne
> Koester
> 
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:17 AM
> 
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Keep the Shootout on June 5
> & 6 and adjust the other contests if possible. Nothing
> we can do about the
> AMA site. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Ron
> Hansen
> 
> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 10:26 PM
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D4/D5
> Shootout 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Normally the Columbus Pattern contest is the
> first weekend in June and the D4/D5 Shootout is the second
> weekend in
> June.? Well, Dave Johnstone just found out that the
> D4/D5 shootout has
> been moved to June 5 & 6th due to the
> XFC.? That weekend
> conflicts with the Columbus contest and also the D5
> contest.? Here are
> some possible solutions: 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 1.??????????????????
> Cancel
> shootout 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 2.??????????????????
> Keep
> that weekend and the Columbus contest and the D5 contest
> move to a different
> weekend 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 3.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to different weekend (According to AMA this could
> be done in late May
> if we agree to 2.4 only) 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 4.??????????????????
> Move
> shootout to Columbus over the Memorial Day weekend (we
> would have to check with
> our club first). 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 5.??????????????????
> Any
> other suggestions??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> As far as I know, the date for the Columbus
> contest is flexible and so if the date of the Hebron
> Contest (tentatively May
> 15th and 16th).? The sun is in
> the box until 11 am
> or so in late May so it may be difficult to get 6 rounds in
> on Sat or Sun so
> having Monday as a backup maybe helpful (thus the reason
> for the Memorial Day
> weekend).? AMA has RC events scheduled for late may so
> we would have to
> share the site thus the reason for 2.4 only. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> I need your feed back so the Columbus club
> can plan the event and Dave Johnstone and D5 can finalize
> the contest schedule. 
> 
> ? 
> 
> What say you??? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> 
> 
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sat Jan 16 20:58:50 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 05:58:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
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References: <658218.8663.qm@web113306.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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It's probably still too cold there.....

Verne

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?

Just finished helping my daughter and her husband relocate to Fort Knox, KY.
Are there any contests in the area?  Thanks.

  
Bob Kane
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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 06:31:26 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:31:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <000701ca973a$1b9a12e0$52ce38a0$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <984642.52392.qm@web113304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I was thinking during the regular season, but thanks. 


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> It's probably still too cold
> there.....
> 
> Verne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort
> Knox area?
> 
> Just finished helping my daughter and her husband relocate
> to Fort Knox, KY.
> Are there any contests in the area?? Thanks.
> 
> ? 
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
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From d_bodary at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 06:53:49 2010
From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:53:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <984642.52392.qm@web113304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <626108.92185.qm@web51707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Verne's getting pretty funny, isn't he?

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 10:31 AM


I was thinking during the regular season, but thanks. 


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> It's probably still too cold
> there.....
> 
> Verne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort
> Knox area?
> 
> Just finished helping my daughter and her husband relocate
> to Fort Knox, KY.
> Are there any contests in the area?? Thanks.
> 
> ? 
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
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> 


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From lld613 at psci.net  Sun Jan 17 07:09:43 2010
From: lld613 at psci.net (Lisa n Larry)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 16:09:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <984642.52392.qm@web113304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <000701ca973a$1b9a12e0$52ce38a0$@rr.com>
	<984642.52392.qm@web113304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca978f$7a10cf80$6e326e80$@net>

The closest Pattern contest since 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when I CD in 2004 and 2005).

Evansville, IN (provided we get it scheduled) is about 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
This would be the closest contest I know of on the active schedule. If
Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about the same distance to Evansville.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?

I was thinking during the regular season, but thanks. 


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> It's probably still too cold
> there.....
> 
> Verne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort
> Knox area?
> 
> Just finished helping my daughter and her husband relocate
> to Fort Knox, KY.
> Are there any contests in the area?? Thanks.
> 
> ? 
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 17 16:59:01 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 01:59:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <000001ca978f$7a10cf80$6e326e80$@net>
Message-ID: <621036.57837.qm@web113312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

You know, it did not dawn on me that Louisville is in District 4 . . . I guess I would have known about any contest already.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net> wrote:

> From: Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
> The closest Pattern contest since
> 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
> Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when I CD in 2004
> and 2005).
> 
> Evansville, IN (provided we get it scheduled) is about
> 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
> This would be the closest contest I know of on the active
> schedule. If
> Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about the same distance
> to Evansville.
> 
> Larry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> 
> I was thinking during the regular season, but thanks. 
> 
> 
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> > It's probably still too cold
> > there.....
> > 
> > Verne
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort
> > Knox area?
> > 
> > Just finished helping my daughter and her husband
> relocate
> > to Fort Knox, KY.
> > Are there any contests in the area?? Thanks.
> > 
> > ? 
> > Bob Kane
> > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


      

From moleski at canisius.edu  Sun Jan 17 19:14:16 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 04:14:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 8 website  / xml results
Message-ID: <4B53E016.7090604@canisius.edu>

Gordon Anderson has been working on the District 8
website for about a day.

http://nsrca.us/districts/d8.html

He told the webteam:

> This is pretty cool, go to http://nsrca.us/districts/d8.html and click
> on one of the menu entries under Standings -> 2009. You will see a
> report that is generated automatically. My scoring program generates the
> xml and I just upload it to the site.

> The xml project was started by Scott Smith and he provided the xml
> schema and the style sheets used to display the xml.

It looks as though he's uploaded some photos, too:

http://nsrca.us/cpg/index.php?cat=5

Nice work, Gordon!

				Marty

From verne at twmi.rr.com  Sun Jan 17 21:28:43 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:28:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <626108.92185.qm@web51707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <984642.52392.qm@web113304.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<626108.92185.qm@web51707.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000901ca9807$7298a5c0$57c9f140$@rr.com>

I call for Bob quite a bit. Every once in awhile, his brain locks up and I
try to help him through it. Thought this might have been one of those lost
maneuvers...

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Bodary
Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:54 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?

 


Verne's getting pretty funny, isn't he?

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 10:31 AM

I was thinking during the regular season, but thanks. 


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=getterflash at yahoo.com> 


--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=verne at twmi.rr.com> > wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=verne at twmi.rr.com> >
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.o
rg> >
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> It's probably still too cold
> there.....
> 
> Verne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists
.nsrca.org> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists
.nsrca.org> ]
> On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.o
rg> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort
> Knox area?
> 
> Just finished helping my daughter and her husband relocate
> to Fort Knox, KY.
> Are there any contests in the area?  Thanks.
> 
>   
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=getterflash at yahoo.com> 
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
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rg> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
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rg> 
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> 


      
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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Sun Jan 17 23:44:20 2010
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:44:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
Message-ID: <29464723.1263804258422.JavaMail.root@wamui-june.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

To all,

I have been using Coolpower 30% nitro/ 22% low vis oil heli fuel for over 6 years with good results. However, I would like to try their 20% nitro heli fuel. 

Instead of low vis oil, the 20% nitro blend uses 20% ultra-high vis oil, similar to the 30% heli low smoke fuel.

Has anyone try the 20% blend on both the regular & the cdi 170? Any difference besides lower top end? Does the ultra-high vis oil makes the engine runs warmer? Do I need to richen the pump slightly?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

Adrian

From getterflash at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 02:49:57 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:49:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <000901ca9807$7298a5c0$57c9f140$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <483831.22303.qm@web113313.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

True . . . . 

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 1:28 AM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I call for Bob quite a bit.
> Every once in awhile, his brain
> locks up and I try to help him through it. Thought this
> might have been one of
> those lost maneuvers?.. 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Dennis
> Bodary
> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 10:54 AM
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox
> area? 
> 
> 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
>  
>   
>   Verne's getting pretty funny,
> isn't he?
> 
>   
> 
>   --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane
> <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>   wrote: 
>   
> 
>   From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> 
>   Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> 
>   To: "General pattern discussion"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
>   Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 10:31 AM 
>   
>   I was thinking during the regular
> season, but thanks. 
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   Bob Kane
> 
>   getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>   wrote:
> 
>   
> 
>   > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> 
>   > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox
>   area?
> 
>   > To: "'General pattern discussion'"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
>   > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> 
>   > It's probably still too cold
> 
>   > there.....
> 
>   > 
> 
>   > Verne
> 
>   > 
> 
>   > -----Original Message-----
> 
>   > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>   > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> 
>   > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> 
>   > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> 
>   > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>   > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort
> 
>   > Knox area?
> 
>   > 
> 
>   > Just finished helping my daughter and her husband
> relocate
> 
>   > to Fort Knox, KY.
> 
>   > Are there any contests in the area?? Thanks.
> 
>   > 
> 
>   > ? 
> 
>   > Bob Kane
> 
>   > getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
>   > 
> 
>   > 
> 
>   > ? ? ? 
> 
>   > _______________________________________________
> 
>   > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
>   > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>   > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
>   > 
> 
>   > 
> 
>   > _______________________________________________
> 
>   > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
>   > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>   > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
>   > 
> 
>   
> 
>   
> 
>   ? ? ? 
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 05:24:00 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 14:24:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <621036.57837.qm@web113312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <704872.66200.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 The NSRCA borders are strange.
 Think about it D4 runs west all the way to Missouri. To think that Rough River was probably the biggest and most imoportant contest in D4 for many years has to get you thinking. 
 Does anyone think there should be a realignment of the Districts. Like D4 being more north and D5 being more south? Mike

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 7:58 PM
> You know, it did not dawn on me that
> Louisville is in District 4 . . . I guess I would have known
> about any contest already.
> 
> 
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
> > The closest Pattern contest since
> > 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
> > Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when I CD in
> 2004
> > and 2005).
> > 
> > Evansville, IN (provided we get it scheduled) is
> about
> > 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
> > This would be the closest contest I know of on the
> active
> > schedule. If
> > Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about the same
> distance
> > to Evansville.
> > 
> > Larry
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > 
> > I was thinking during the regular season, but thanks.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Bob Kane
> > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> > > It's probably still too cold
> > > there.....
> > > 
> > > Verne
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort
> > > Knox area?
> > > 
> > > Just finished helping my daughter and her
> husband
> > relocate
> > > to Fort Knox, KY.
> > > Are there any contests in the area?? Thanks.
> > > 
> > > ? 
> > > Bob Kane
> > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ? ? ? 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


      

From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Mon Jan 18 06:00:50 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 15:00:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller
In-Reply-To: <B9F9670458244186857F63DD4DEFEEB6@MARK>
References: <007f01ca966b$129c9840$37d5c8c0$@rr.com><D0086F0F53864BDBA6967A3E2696C5FB@toshibauser><002201ca96d9$7a57bb40$6f0731c0$@rr.com>
	<B9F9670458244186857F63DD4DEFEEB6@MARK>
Message-ID: <95FD395822BB49F9A8728E66C2E0D9BB@Tony>

Great!  

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

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  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hunt
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 1:48 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Karl Mueller

 

All:

 

A friend of mine spoke with Karl's wife 2 days ago.  She says Karl is
recovering.  The treatment worked and she is very happy.  She wanted to
thank all who supplied the prayers and well wishes.

 

 

 

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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 07:37:32 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 16:37:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <704872.66200.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <24882.501.qm@web113310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

When you only look a map they seem OK, but if you consider the pattern population hotspots they don't make much sense, at least by my casual observation. How much drift has there been in the hotspots over time? Considering a hotspot is maybe a dozen or so active pilots they would tend to rise and fall over time.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Mon, 1/18/10, mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:23 AM
>  The NSRCA borders are strange.
>  Think about it D4 runs west all the way to Missouri. To
> think that Rough River was probably the biggest and most
> imoportant contest in D4 for many years has to get you
> thinking. 
>  Does anyone think there should be a realignment of the
> Districts. Like D4 being more north and D5 being more south?
> Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 7:58 PM
> > You know, it did not dawn on me that
> > Louisville is in District 4 . . . I guess I would have
> known
> > about any contest already.
> > 
> > 
> > Bob Kane
> > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
> > > The closest Pattern contest since
> > > 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
> > > Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when I CD
> in
> > 2004
> > > and 2005).
> > > 
> > > Evansville, IN (provided we get it scheduled) is
> > about
> > > 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
> > > This would be the closest contest I know of on
> the
> > active
> > > schedule. If
> > > Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about the
> same
> > distance
> > > to Evansville.
> > > 
> > > Larry
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
> > > To: General pattern discussion
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > 
> > > I was thinking during the regular season, but
> thanks.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bob Kane
> > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in
> the
> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> > > > It's probably still too cold
> > > > there.....
> > > > 
> > > > Verne
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> > > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > > Louisville/Fort
> > > > Knox area?
> > > > 
> > > > Just finished helping my daughter and her
> > husband
> > > relocate
> > > > to Fort Knox, KY.
> > > > Are there any contests in the area??
> Thanks.
> > > > 
> > > > ? 
> > > > Bob Kane
> > > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ? ? ? 
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ? ? ? 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


      

From verne at twmi.rr.com  Mon Jan 18 08:51:16 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:51:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <704872.66200.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <621036.57837.qm@web113312.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<704872.66200.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca9866$cccb1d70$66615850$@rr.com>

I always thought the NSRCA Districts were laid out much better than AMA's
Districts. If you look at the NSRCA D4 states of Ohio, Indiana, Kentucky,
and West Virginia, they very nearly form a square. Adding Michigan to that
group only makes sense because of the Great Lakes. If you live in Michigan,
you pretty much have to head south to go to a contest unless you have a boat
capable of traversing a rather large lake! Any District you look at is going
to have fringe areas on its borders and those guys will generally attend
contests from two Districts. I think our founding fathers (NSRCA) got it
just about right. Weren't you one of those guys, Mike?

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:24 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?

 The NSRCA borders are strange.
 Think about it D4 runs west all the way to Missouri. To think that Rough
River was probably the biggest and most imoportant contest in D4 for many
years has to get you thinking. 
 Does anyone think there should be a realignment of the Districts. Like D4
being more north and D5 being more south? Mike

--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 7:58 PM
> You know, it did not dawn on me that
> Louisville is in District 4 . . . I guess I would have known
> about any contest already.
> 
> 
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
> > The closest Pattern contest since
> > 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
> > Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when I CD in
> 2004
> > and 2005).
> > 
> > Evansville, IN (provided we get it scheduled) is
> about
> > 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
> > This would be the closest contest I know of on the
> active
> > schedule. If
> > Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about the same
> distance
> > to Evansville.
> > 
> > Larry
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > 
> > I was thinking during the regular season, but thanks.
> 
> > 
> > 
> > Bob Kane
> > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> > > It's probably still too cold
> > > there.....
> > > 
> > > Verne
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort
> > > Knox area?
> > > 
> > > Just finished helping my daughter and her
> husband
> > relocate
> > > to Fort Knox, KY.
> > > Are there any contests in the area?? Thanks.
> > > 
> > > ? 
> > > Bob Kane
> > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ? ? ? 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


      
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Mon Jan 18 08:52:54 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:52:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
References: <24882.501.qm@web113310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7F0BD9850DBE4A82939691F85328EF7F@glazecstp32xp>

To anyone in the area that Bob's talking about:
Anything going on in the Lexington, KY area with regard to pattern?
When I was S.E. Regional Representative for IMAC, we were able to get a new 
contest going at the field in Lexington; it's on a landfill, and used to be 
great.  Probably still is.
Thanks.
Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?


When you only look a map they seem OK, but if you consider the pattern 
population hotspots they don't make much sense, at least by my casual 
observation. How much drift has there been in the hotspots over time? 
Considering a hotspot is maybe a dozen or so active pilots they would tend 
to rise and fall over time.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Mon, 1/18/10, mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:23 AM
>  The NSRCA borders are strange.
>  Think about it D4 runs west all the way to Missouri. To
> think that Rough River was probably the biggest and most
> imoportant contest in D4 for many years has to get you
> thinking.
>  Does anyone think there should be a realignment of the
> Districts. Like D4 being more north and D5 being more south?
> Mike
>
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 7:58 PM
> > You know, it did not dawn on me that
> > Louisville is in District 4 . . . I guess I would have
> known
> > about any contest already.
> >
> >
> > Bob Kane
> > getterflash at yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From: Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
> > > The closest Pattern contest since
> > > 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
> > > Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when I CD
> in
> > 2004
> > > and 2005).
> > >
> > > Evansville, IN (provided we get it scheduled) is
> > about
> > > 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
> > > This would be the closest contest I know of on
> the
> > active
> > > schedule. If
> > > Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about the
> same
> > distance
> > > to Evansville.
> > >
> > > Larry
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
> > > To: General pattern discussion
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > >
> > > I was thinking during the regular season, but
> thanks.
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bob Kane
> > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in
> the
> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" 
> > > > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> > > > It's probably still too cold
> > > > there.....
> > > >
> > > > Verne
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> > > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > > Louisville/Fort
> > > > Knox area?
> > > >
> > > > Just finished helping my daughter and her
> > husband
> > > relocate
> > > > to Fort Knox, KY.
> > > > Are there any contests in the area?
> Thanks.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bob Kane
> > > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>



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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 08:56:14 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:56:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <24882.501.qm@web113310.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <998487.86374.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

1 constant hot spot over the years has been Chicago.
 Seems pretty much like Ohio and Michigan have always been strong.
 Southern D5 has real good numbers and is somewhat self sustaining.
 Then there's North and South Dakota....... Not so much!!!! Don'ch ya know.
                Mike

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 10:37 AM
> When you only look a map they seem
> OK, but if you consider the pattern population hotspots they
> don't make much sense, at least by my casual observation.
> How much drift has there been in the hotspots over time?
> Considering a hotspot is maybe a dozen or so active pilots
> they would tend to rise and fall over time.
> 
> 
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> --- On Mon, 1/18/10, mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:23 AM
> >? The NSRCA borders are strange.
> >? Think about it D4 runs west all the way to
> Missouri. To
> > think that Rough River was probably the biggest and
> most
> > imoportant contest in D4 for many years has to get
> you
> > thinking. 
> >? Does anyone think there should be a realignment
> of the
> > Districts. Like D4 being more north and D5 being more
> south?
> > Mike
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 7:58 PM
> > > You know, it did not dawn on me that
> > > Louisville is in District 4 . . . I guess I would
> have
> > known
> > > about any contest already.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bob Kane
> > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in
> the
> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
> > > > The closest Pattern contest since
> > > > 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
> > > > Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when
> I CD
> > in
> > > 2004
> > > > and 2005).
> > > > 
> > > > Evansville, IN (provided we get it
> scheduled) is
> > > about
> > > > 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
> > > > This would be the closest contest I know of
> on
> > the
> > > active
> > > > schedule. If
> > > > Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about
> the
> > same
> > > distance
> > > > to Evansville.
> > > > 
> > > > Larry
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
> > > > To: General pattern discussion
> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in
> the
> > > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > > 
> > > > I was thinking during the regular season,
> but
> > thanks.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Bob Kane
> > > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest
> in
> > the
> > > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > > > To: "'General pattern discussion'"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58
> AM
> > > > > It's probably still too cold
> > > > > there.....
> > > > > 
> > > > > Verne
> > > > > 
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41
> PM
> > > > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in
> the
> > > > Louisville/Fort
> > > > > Knox area?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Just finished helping my daughter and
> her
> > > husband
> > > > relocate
> > > > > to Fort Knox, KY.
> > > > > Are there any contests in the area??
> > Thanks.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ? 
> > > > > Bob Kane
> > > > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > ? ? ? 
> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ? ? ? 
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ? ? ? 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


      

From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 09:04:37 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:04:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
In-Reply-To: <000001ca9866$cccb1d70$66615850$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <693053.51106.qm@web51006.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Actually I was about 20 years old when that was all decided and guys like Rhett Miller Sr, Chidgey, Penrod, George Hill, Dave Brown, Don Lowe, Ed Keck, Jimmy Grier, Jim Whitley, Kirkland and guys like that made the early decisions. 
 I have fond memories of the early days of our organization. It was formed because of frustration with the AMA. It was full of purpose and determination to get things right.
 I guess the borders are OK just big. Mike

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 11:51 AM
> I always thought the NSRCA Districts
> were laid out much better than AMA's
> Districts. If you look at the NSRCA D4 states of Ohio,
> Indiana, Kentucky,
> and West Virginia, they very nearly form a square. Adding
> Michigan to that
> group only makes sense because of the Great Lakes. If you
> live in Michigan,
> you pretty much have to head south to go to a contest
> unless you have a boat
> capable of traversing a rather large lake! Any District you
> look at is going
> to have fringe areas on its borders and those guys will
> generally attend
> contests from two Districts. I think our founding fathers
> (NSRCA) got it
> just about right. Weren't you one of those guys, Mike?
> 
> Verne
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of mike mueller
> Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:24 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> 
>  The NSRCA borders are strange.
>  Think about it D4 runs west all the way to Missouri. To
> think that Rough
> River was probably the biggest and most imoportant contest
> in D4 for many
> years has to get you thinking. 
>  Does anyone think there should be a realignment of the
> Districts. Like D4
> being more north and D5 being more south? Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 7:58 PM
> > You know, it did not dawn on me that
> > Louisville is in District 4 . . . I guess I would have
> known
> > about any contest already.
> > 
> > 
> > Bob Kane
> > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
> > > The closest Pattern contest since
> > > 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
> > > Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when I CD
> in
> > 2004
> > > and 2005).
> > > 
> > > Evansville, IN (provided we get it scheduled) is
> > about
> > > 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
> > > This would be the closest contest I know of on
> the
> > active
> > > schedule. If
> > > Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about the
> same
> > distance
> > > to Evansville.
> > > 
> > > Larry
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
> > > To: General pattern discussion
> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > 
> > > I was thinking during the regular season, but
> thanks.
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Bob Kane
> > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in
> the
> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
> > > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
> > > > It's probably still too cold
> > > > there.....
> > > > 
> > > > Verne
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
> > > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
> > > Louisville/Fort
> > > > Knox area?
> > > > 
> > > > Just finished helping my daughter and her
> > husband
> > > relocate
> > > > to Fort Knox, KY.
> > > > Are there any contests in the area??
> Thanks.
> > > > 
> > > > ? 
> > > > Bob Kane
> > > > getterflash at yahoo.com
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > ? ? ? 
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > ? ? ? 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


      

From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Mon Jan 18 09:33:52 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 18:33:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98229F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

It's been 3-4 years since I bought servos for a pattern plane, and when
I went searching for my trusty selections for a new bird, I discovered
that a lot has changed in a short time.

 

So - I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator, Rudder, and Aileron. I
recently switched to Futaba for my transmitter, but was a JR guy
previous to that and have always been happy with JR servos. I'd consider
Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as well.

 

Thanks,

 

Tim 

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From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Mon Jan 18 10:00:11 2010
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:00:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98229F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <73005454D1194DCBAE20BDBF4A22F8BC@jaysdesktop>

Be sure to try the new brushless servos from Futaba as well as the high
voltage JRs.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
[Burlington]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:34 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

 

It's been 3-4 years since I bought servos for a pattern plane, and when I
went searching for my trusty selections for a new bird, I discovered that a
lot has changed in a short time.

 

So - I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator, Rudder, and Aileron. I
recently switched to Futaba for my transmitter, but was a JR guy previous to
that and have always been happy with JR servos. I'd consider Futaba and
Hitec as alternatives as well.

 

Thanks,

 

Tim 

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From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan 18 10:19:58 2010
From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:19:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98229F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <561225.43738.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Tim,

Here are the list of JR servos the were popular so far.

Ailerons : DS9411 
Dual Elevator servos : DS3421
Single Elevator servo : DS8231 (plastic gear).  DS8417 has been discontinued.
Rudder : DS8611

All the above are metal gears.  JR has discontinued all SA servos. If you need plastic/resin geared servos, you will need JRPSG321 and JRPSG911 to convert them to metal output with plastic gears.

You can also substitute DS8611 with DS8411 which can use JRPSG8101 to make it 8411SA.

Hope this helps,

Ihncheol

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca> wrote:

> From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:33 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> It?s been
> 3-4 years since I bought servos for a
> pattern plane, and when I went searching for my trusty
> selections for a new
> bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short
> time. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> So ?
> I?m looking for suggestions for Elevator,
> Rudder, and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my
> transmitter, but was
> a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy with
> JR servos. I?d
> consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as
> well. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Tim
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Mon Jan 18 10:27:25 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:27:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
In-Reply-To: <561225.43738.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98229F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
	<561225.43738.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E2493712@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

To add to that, I would no longer be "afraid" of metal gear servos.  The tolerances have gotten much much tighter to where the "slop" factor is no long of concern.  Just my opinion, but I think the Nylon only approach has past it's day.

I'd also be remiss not to suggest you look at Airtronics servos if you're looking at all brands.  They have an entire new line of affordable digitals to choose from, as well as the high end line of digitals.

-Mark
(Team Airtronics...thus the plug).

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:20 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

Tim,

Here are the list of JR servos the were popular so far.

Ailerons : DS9411 
Dual Elevator servos : DS3421
Single Elevator servo : DS8231 (plastic gear).  DS8417 has been discontinued.
Rudder : DS8611

All the above are metal gears.  JR has discontinued all SA servos. If you need plastic/resin geared servos, you will need JRPSG321 and JRPSG911 to convert them to metal output with plastic gears.

You can also substitute DS8611 with DS8411 which can use JRPSG8101 to make it 8411SA.

Hope this helps,

Ihncheol

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca> wrote:

> From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:33 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> It?s been
> 3-4 years since I bought servos for a
> pattern plane, and when I went searching for my trusty
> selections for a new
> bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short
> time. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> So ?
> I?m looking for suggestions for Elevator,
> Rudder, and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my
> transmitter, but was
> a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy with
> JR servos. I?d
> consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as
> well. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Tim
>  
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
_______________________________________________
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NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Mon Jan 18 10:37:46 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:37:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E2493712@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98229F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca><561225.43738.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E2493712@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA9822C0@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

Airtronics is another option. I've just never used them, so I have even less of an idea in terms of servo series/numbers for comparison.

Are the HV versions of the JR servos really that much better? They are $50-$60 more than the original SA's I remember. I'm not running native Li-Po power, so I don't need the HV option, but there seems to be very little else from JR? Or is my local supplier just not carrying it?

Timothy Pascoe 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

To add to that, I would no longer be "afraid" of metal gear servos.  The tolerances have gotten much much tighter to where the "slop" factor is no long of concern.  Just my opinion, but I think the Nylon only approach has past it's day.

I'd also be remiss not to suggest you look at Airtronics servos if you're looking at all brands.  They have an entire new line of affordable digitals to choose from, as well as the high end line of digitals.

-Mark
(Team Airtronics...thus the plug).

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:20 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

Tim,

Here are the list of JR servos the were popular so far.

Ailerons : DS9411 
Dual Elevator servos : DS3421
Single Elevator servo : DS8231 (plastic gear).  DS8417 has been discontinued.
Rudder : DS8611

All the above are metal gears.  JR has discontinued all SA servos. If you need plastic/resin geared servos, you will need JRPSG321 and JRPSG911 to convert them to metal output with plastic gears.

You can also substitute DS8611 with DS8411 which can use JRPSG8101 to make it 8411SA.

Hope this helps,

Ihncheol

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca> wrote:

> From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:33 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> It's been
> 3-4 years since I bought servos for a
> pattern plane, and when I went searching for my trusty
> selections for a new
> bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short
> time. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> So -
> I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator,
> Rudder, and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my
> transmitter, but was
> a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy with
> JR servos. I'd
> consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as
> well. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Tim
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 10:49:04 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:49:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox  area?
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I attended Pattern events there in the early '90s -- CDed by John 
Fox.  Haven't heard anything from them for years...

At 12:52 PM 1/18/2010, you wrote:
>To anyone in the area that Bob's talking about:
>Anything going on in the Lexington, KY area with regard to pattern?
>When I was S.E. Regional Representative for IMAC, we were able to 
>get a new contest going at the field in Lexington; it's on a 
>landfill, and used to be great.  Probably still is.
>Thanks.
>Bill Glaze
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Kane" <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 11:37 AM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
>
>
>When you only look a map they seem OK, but if you consider the 
>pattern population hotspots they don't make much sense, at least by 
>my casual observation. How much drift has there been in the hotspots 
>over time? Considering a hotspot is maybe a dozen or so active 
>pilots they would tend to rise and fall over time.
>
>
>Bob Kane
>getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
>--- On Mon, 1/18/10, mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the Louisville/Fort Knox area?
>>To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 9:23 AM
>>  The NSRCA borders are strange.
>>  Think about it D4 runs west all the way to Missouri. To
>>think that Rough River was probably the biggest and most
>>imoportant contest in D4 for many years has to get you
>>thinking.
>>  Does anyone think there should be a realignment of the
>>Districts. Like D4 being more north and D5 being more south?
>>Mike
>>
>>--- On Sun, 1/17/10, Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>> > From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
>>Louisville/Fort Knox area?
>> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 7:58 PM
>> > You know, it did not dawn on me that
>> > Louisville is in District 4 . . . I guess I would have
>>known
>> > about any contest already.
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob Kane
>> > getterflash at yahoo.com
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > From: Lisa n Larry <lld613 at psci.net>
>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
>> > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
>> > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
>> > > The closest Pattern contest since
>> > > 1999 is the D4/D5 Shoot out in Muncie, D4
>> > > Champs, Nashville, Dayton, and Jasper (when I CD
>>in
>> > 2004
>> > > and 2005).
>> > >
>> > > Evansville, IN (provided we get it scheduled) is
>> > about
>> > > 1-1/2 from Fort Knox.
>> > > This would be the closest contest I know of on
>>the
>> > active
>> > > schedule. If
>> > > Nashville clubs hold a contest it's about the
>>same
>> > distance
>> > > to Evansville.
>> > >
>> > > Larry
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
>> > > Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2010 9:31 AM
>> > > To: General pattern discussion
>> > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
>> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
>> > >
>> > > I was thinking during the regular season, but
>>thanks.
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bob Kane
>> > > getterflash at yahoo.com
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- On Sun, 1/17/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> > > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in
>>the
>> > > Louisville/Fort Knox area?
>> > > > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > > > 
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> > > > Date: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 12:58 AM
>> > > > It's probably still too cold
>> > > > there.....
>> > > >
>> > > > Verne
>> > > >
>> > > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> > > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
>> > > > On Behalf Of Bob Kane
>> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:41 PM
>> > > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> > > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest in the
>> > > Louisville/Fort
>> > > > Knox area?
>> > > >
>> > > > Just finished helping my daughter and her
>> > husband
>> > > relocate
>> > > > to Fort Knox, KY.
>> > > > Are there any contests in the area?
>>Thanks.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Bob Kane
>> > > > getterflash at yahoo.com
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 10:50:19 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 19:50:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
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Check out Horizon Hobby... http://www.horizonhobby.com/

At 02:37 PM 1/18/2010, you wrote:
>Airtronics is another option. I've just never 
>used them, so I have even less of an idea in 
>terms of servo series/numbers for comparison.
>
>Are the HV versions of the JR servos really that 
>much better? They are $50-$60 more than the 
>original SA's I remember. I'm not running native 
>Li-Po power, so I don't need the HV option, but 
>there seems to be very little else from JR? Or 
>is my local supplier just not carrying it?
>
>Timothy Pascoe
>Physical Sciences Specialist
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:11 PM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
>
>To add to that, I would no longer be "afraid" of 
>metal gear servos.  The tolerances have gotten 
>much much tighter to where the "slop" factor is 
>no long of concern.  Just my opinion, but I 
>think the Nylon only approach has past it's day.
>
>I'd also be remiss not to suggest you look at 
>Airtronics servos if you're looking at all 
>brands.  They have an entire new line of 
>affordable digitals to choose from, as well as the high end line of digitals.
>
>-Mark
>(Team Airtronics...thus the plug).
>
>Mark Atwood
>Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
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>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park
>Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:20 PM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
>
>Tim,
>
>Here are the list of JR servos the were popular so far.
>
>Ailerons : DS9411
>Dual Elevator servos : DS3421
>Single Elevator servo : DS8231 (plastic gear).  DS8417 has been discontinued.
>Rudder : DS8611
>
>All the above are metal gears.  JR has 
>discontinued all SA servos. If you need 
>plastic/resin geared servos, you will need 
>JRPSG321 and JRPSG911 to convert them to metal output with plastic gears.
>
>You can also substitute DS8611 with DS8411 which 
>can use JRPSG8101 to make it 8411SA.
>
>Hope this helps,
>
>Ihncheol
>
>--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca> wrote:
>
> > From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:33 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It's been
> > 3-4 years since I bought servos for a
> > pattern plane, and when I went searching for my trusty
> > selections for a new
> > bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short
> > time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > So -
> > I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator,
> > Rudder, and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my
> > transmitter, but was
> > a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy with
> > JR servos. I'd
> > consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as
> > well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au  Mon Jan 18 13:46:51 2010
From: Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au (Koenig, Tom)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 22:46:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
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Adrian,

As most of you know, most of us down here 'mix' our own fuel using the ingredients. We are able to purchase the Coolpower oils on their own. I also use the VP Racing nitro. I'm not sure anymore, but I believe that even that is now Chinese nitro, as there are no more Nitro factories open in the U.S??? Anyone know?

I personally have had better results using the higher viscosity oil (Blue in colour).
Yes-you may loose a little bit of top end power, (I cant really prove it however) but for me and my conditions, the engine seems happier. It runs 'fluffier' and sounds smoother in the air. It just doesn't seem as 'angry' if that makes sense. But, I do have a bit of oil (more) on the fuse after. I can hear the electric boys groan already!

As for the pre-mix that you are talking about, I can't say, as I do not know if there are any other 'secret' ingredients added to it. I personally don't use it, unless I am at a comp overseas....and that was a while ago now!

Why don't you just try it and see how you go. I just like mixing fuel myself-that way I control exactly what is going in there. You can also adjust things a little to suit. If you are asked," how much Nitro?" I usually answer "10% more than you!" L.O.L


Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of adriancwong at earthlink.net
Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 7:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel

To all,

I have been using Coolpower 30% nitro/ 22% low vis oil heli fuel for over 6 years with good results. However, I would like to try their 20% nitro heli fuel.

Instead of low vis oil, the 20% nitro blend uses 20% ultra-high vis oil, similar to the 30% heli low smoke fuel.

Has anyone try the 20% blend on both the regular & the cdi 170? Any difference besides lower top end? Does the ultra-high vis oil makes the engine runs warmer? Do I need to richen the pump slightly?

Thanks in advance for the reply.

Adrian
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 18 14:07:38 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:07:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
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Tim, 

What class do you fly? Some of the servos available are overkill... even for F3A.

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:33 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again


  It's been 3-4 years since I bought servos for a pattern plane, and when I went searching for my trusty selections for a new bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short time.

   

  So - I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator, Rudder, and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my transmitter, but was a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy with JR servos. I'd consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as well.

   

  Thanks,

   

  Tim 



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From chadnortheast at shaw.ca  Mon Jan 18 14:21:12 2010
From: chadnortheast at shaw.ca (Chad Northeast)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:21:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
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Like that 9157 you got on the rudder LOL ;-)

----- Original Message -----
From: J Shu <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
Date: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:10 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

> Tim, 
> 
> What class do you fly? Some of the servos available are 
> overkill... even for F3A.
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> 
> ? ----- Original Message ----- 
> ? From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] 
> ? To: General pattern discussion 
> ? Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:33 PM
> ? Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
> 
> 
> ? It's been 3-4 years since I bought servos for a pattern 
> plane, and when I went searching for my trusty selections for a 
> new bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short time.
> 
> ?? 
> 
> ? So - I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator, Rudder, 
> and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my transmitter, 
> but was a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy 
> with JR servos. I'd consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as well.
> 
> ?? 
> 
> ? Thanks,
> 
> ?? 
> 
> ? Tim 
> 
> 
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> -------------
> 
> 
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 14:24:00 2010
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:24:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
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Tim,

The HV JR servos are overkill for pattern...not needed.

9411 or 8411 on aileron
8411 or 8611A on rudder
3517 (faster) or 3421 for stab mounted elevator servos

I favor the 8417 for a single elevator servo, if it has indeed been
discontinued, then 9411 or 8411.

For all servos for pattern applications, I prefer the nylon geartrains -
tighter, wear less, and lighter.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart, Team Horizon/JR


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
[Burlington]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:38 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

Airtronics is another option. I've just never used them, so I have even less
of an idea in terms of servo series/numbers for comparison.

Are the HV versions of the JR servos really that much better? They are
$50-$60 more than the original SA's I remember. I'm not running native Li-Po
power, so I don't need the HV option, but there seems to be very little else
from JR? Or is my local supplier just not carrying it?

Timothy Pascoe 
Physical Sciences Specialist
 
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to solve a problem which solves a problem which, several levels of recursion
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-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

To add to that, I would no longer be "afraid" of metal gear servos.  The
tolerances have gotten much much tighter to where the "slop" factor is no
long of concern.  Just my opinion, but I think the Nylon only approach has
past it's day.

I'd also be remiss not to suggest you look at Airtronics servos if you're
looking at all brands.  They have an entire new line of affordable digitals
to choose from, as well as the high end line of digitals.

-Mark
(Team Airtronics...thus the plug).

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:20 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

Tim,

Here are the list of JR servos the were popular so far.

Ailerons : DS9411 
Dual Elevator servos : DS3421
Single Elevator servo : DS8231 (plastic gear).  DS8417 has been
discontinued.
Rudder : DS8611

All the above are metal gears.  JR has discontinued all SA servos. If you
need plastic/resin geared servos, you will need JRPSG321 and JRPSG911 to
convert them to metal output with plastic gears.

You can also substitute DS8611 with DS8411 which can use JRPSG8101 to make
it 8411SA.

Hope this helps,

Ihncheol

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca> wrote:

> From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:33 PM
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> 
> 
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>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> It's been
> 3-4 years since I bought servos for a
> pattern plane, and when I went searching for my trusty
> selections for a new
> bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short
> time. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> So -
> I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator,
> Rudder, and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my
> transmitter, but was
> a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy with
> JR servos. I'd
> consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as
> well. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Tim
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Mon Jan 18 15:44:57 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 00:44:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
In-Reply-To: <d0df83ac2b2df.4b548a76@shaw.ca>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98229F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca><9EA88476ED53406B94693EBBDAA023A3@UncleJasPC>
	<d0df83ac2b2df.4b548a76@shaw.ca>
Message-ID: <5E1AD14117B9457FA4719F16792C49AB@UncleJasPC>

I'm using the BL 352... I never had any 9157's before the Worlds. Now the 9156 I had one there...lol.

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chad Northeast 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:21 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again


  Like that 9157 you got on the rudder LOL ;-)

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: J Shu <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
  Date: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:10 pm
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

  > Tim, 
  > 
  > What class do you fly? Some of the servos available are 
  > overkill... even for F3A.
  > 
  > Regards,
  > Jason
  > www.shulmanaviation.com
  > www.composite-arf.com
  > 
  >   ----- Original Message ----- 
  >   From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] 
  >   To: General pattern discussion 
  >   Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:33 PM
  >   Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
  > 
  > 
  >   It's been 3-4 years since I bought servos for a pattern 
  > plane, and when I went searching for my trusty selections for a 
  > new bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short time.
  > 
  >    
  > 
  >   So - I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator, Rudder, 
  > and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my transmitter, 
  > but was a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy 
  > with JR servos. I'd consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as well.
  > 
  >    
  > 
  >   Thanks,
  > 
  >    
  > 
  >   Tim 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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From chad at f3acanada.org  Mon Jan 18 16:52:04 2010
From: chad at f3acanada.org (Chad Northeast)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:52:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
In-Reply-To: <5E1AD14117B9457FA4719F16792C49AB@UncleJasPC>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98229F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
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Ok, my bad :)  Thought you had a 9157 on there, I got 9156's....no 
overkill there though :)

On 18/01/2010 5:44 PM, J Shu wrote:
> I'm using the BL 352... I never had any 9157's before the Worlds. Now 
> the 9156 I had one there...lol.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com <http://www.shulmanaviation.com>
> www.composite-arf.com <http://www.composite-arf.com>
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
>     *To:* General pattern discussion
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>     *Sent:* Monday, January 18, 2010 6:21 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
>
>     Like that 9157 you got on the rudder LOL ;-)
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: J Shu <jshulman at cfl.rr.com <mailto:jshulman at cfl.rr.com>>
>     Date: Monday, January 18, 2010 4:10 pm
>     Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
>     To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>
>     > Tim,
>     >
>     > What class do you fly? Some of the servos available are
>     > overkill... even for F3A.
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     > Jason
>     > www.shulmanaviation.com
>     > www.composite-arf.com
>     >
>     >   ----- Original Message -----
>     >   From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]
>     >   To: General pattern discussion
>     >   Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 1:33 PM
>     >   Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
>     >
>     >
>     >   It's been 3-4 years since I bought servos for a pattern
>     > plane, and when I went searching for my trusty selections for a
>     > new bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short time.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >   So - I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator, Rudder,
>     > and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my transmitter,
>     > but was a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy
>     > with JR servos. I'd consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as
>     well.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >   Thanks,
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >   Tim
>     >
>     >
>     >
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>     >
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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 18 17:34:38 2010
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 02:34:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
Message-ID: <14294988.1263868473564.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Tom,

Thx for the reply.

I do have a case of the 20% heli with the high vis oil, and am planning to try it. I just wanted to find out ahead of time on what to expect on both the high end & the pump setting.

Again, thx & with regards,

Adrian

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Koenig, Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>
>Sent: Jan 18, 2010 5:45 PM
>To: "'adriancwong at earthlink.net'" <adriancwong at earthlink.net>, 'General
> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>
>Adrian,
>
>As most of you know, most of us down here 'mix' our own fuel using the ingredients. We are able to purchase the Coolpower oils on their own. I also use the VP Racing nitro. I'm not sure anymore, but I believe that even that is now Chinese nitro, as there are no more Nitro factories open in the U.S??? Anyone know?
>
>I personally have had better results using the higher viscosity oil (Blue in colour).
>Yes-you may loose a little bit of top end power, (I cant really prove it however) but for me and my conditions, the engine seems happier. It runs 'fluffier' and sounds smoother in the air. It just doesn't seem as 'angry' if that makes sense. But, I do have a bit of oil (more) on the fuse after. I can hear the electric boys groan already!
>
>As for the pre-mix that you are talking about, I can't say, as I do not know if there are any other 'secret' ingredients added to it. I personally don't use it, unless I am at a comp overseas....and that was a while ago now!
>
>Why don't you just try it and see how you go. I just like mixing fuel myself-that way I control exactly what is going in there. You can also adjust things a little to suit. If you are asked," how much Nitro?" I usually answer "10% more than you!" L.O.L
>
>
>Tom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of adriancwong at earthlink.net
>Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 7:44 PM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>
>To all,
>
>I have been using Coolpower 30% nitro/ 22% low vis oil heli fuel for over 6 years with good results. However, I would like to try their 20% nitro heli fuel.
>
>Instead of low vis oil, the 20% nitro blend uses 20% ultra-high vis oil, similar to the 30% heli low smoke fuel.
>
>Has anyone try the 20% blend on both the regular & the cdi 170? Any difference besides lower top end? Does the ultra-high vis oil makes the engine runs warmer? Do I need to richen the pump slightly?
>
>Thanks in advance for the reply.
>
>Adrian
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 18:33:36 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:33:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
In-Reply-To: <14294988.1263868473564.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <14294988.1263868473564.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <872476.17244.qm@web113914.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey Adrian, 

Flown the Neptuno yet?

I'm not sure if the Kimbro's are?running the?CDI or not, I know they have 170's though. They?were at Arvin when I went down. I don't know what fuel they were?running, it wasn't Cool Power. But I have never heard a better sounding YS, and have?never seen the power that they were getting out of them. I?believe they were?running a 20x10 and the power?all around, even in down lines, was identical to the best electric?setup I have seen. I was thinking to myself, I said I would never go back to glow, but?that setup makes me think a little differently. Although I still couldn't afford the fuel! 

I could get their info if you want. You?may already have it. 


?
Chris 







________________________________
From: "adriancwong at earthlink.net" <adriancwong at earthlink.net>
To: "Koenig,Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 6:34:33 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel

Hi Tom,

Thx for the reply.

I do have a case of the 20% heli with the high vis oil, and am planning to try it. I just wanted to find out ahead of time on what to expect on both the high end & the pump setting.

Again, thx & with regards,

Adrian

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Koenig, Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>
>Sent: Jan 18, 2010 5:45 PM
>To: "'adriancwong at earthlink.net'" <adriancwong at earthlink.net>, 'General
> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>
>Adrian,
>
>As most of you know, most of us down here 'mix' our own fuel using the ingredients. We are able to purchase the Coolpower oils on their own. I also use the VP Racing nitro. I'm not sure anymore, but I believe that even that is now Chinese nitro, as there are no more Nitro factories open in the U.S??? Anyone know?
>
>I personally have had better results using the higher viscosity oil (Blue in colour).
>Yes-you may loose a little bit of top end power, (I cant really prove it however) but for me and my conditions, the engine seems happier. It runs 'fluffier' and sounds smoother in the air. It just doesn't seem as 'angry' if that makes sense. But, I do have a bit of oil (more) on the fuse after. I can hear the electric boys groan already!
>
>As for the pre-mix that you are talking about, I can't say, as I do not know if there are any other 'secret' ingredients added to it. I personally don't use it, unless I am at a comp overseas....and that was a while ago now!
>
>Why don't you just try it and see how you go. I just like mixing fuel myself-that way I control exactly what is going in there. You can also adjust things a little to suit. If you are asked," how much Nitro?" I usually answer "10% more than you!" L.O.L
>
>
>Tom
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of adriancwong at earthlink.net
>Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 7:44 PM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>
>To all,
>
>I have been using Coolpower 30% nitro/ 22% low vis oil heli fuel for over 6 years with good results. However, I would like to try their 20% nitro heli fuel.
>
>Instead of low vis oil, the 20% nitro blend uses 20% ultra-high vis oil, similar to the 30% heli low smoke fuel.
>
>Has anyone try the 20% blend on both the regular & the cdi 170? Any difference besides lower top end? Does the ultra-high vis oil makes the engine runs warmer? Do I need to richen the pump slightly?
>
>Thanks in advance for the reply.
>
>Adrian
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From mjfrederick at cox.net  Mon Jan 18 20:36:04 2010
From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:36:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
References: <14294988.1263868473564.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <EFA713FC630A4D7B9F1A7B5E1D66C2CE@matthewj9vo80g>

Adrian,

I have used the 20% when my local hobby shop was out of the 30%. Little to 
no noticable difference, if I had tached it I might have seen an RPM drop, 
but just flying I really couldn't tell. I used it in both a 140 FZ and the 
140 DZ.

Matt
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>
To: "Koenig,Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>; "'Generalpattern discussion'" 
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel


> Hi Tom,
>
> Thx for the reply.
>
> I do have a case of the 20% heli with the high vis oil, and am planning to 
> try it. I just wanted to find out ahead of time on what to expect on both 
> the high end & the pump setting.
>
> Again, thx & with regards,
>
> Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: "Koenig, Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>
>>Sent: Jan 18, 2010 5:45 PM
>>To: "'adriancwong at earthlink.net'" <adriancwong at earthlink.net>, 'General
>> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>>
>>Adrian,
>>
>>As most of you know, most of us down here 'mix' our own fuel using the 
>>ingredients. We are able to purchase the Coolpower oils on their own. I 
>>also use the VP Racing nitro. I'm not sure anymore, but I believe that 
>>even that is now Chinese nitro, as there are no more Nitro factories open 
>>in the U.S??? Anyone know?
>>
>>I personally have had better results using the higher viscosity oil (Blue 
>>in colour).
>>Yes-you may loose a little bit of top end power, (I cant really prove it 
>>however) but for me and my conditions, the engine seems happier. It runs 
>>'fluffier' and sounds smoother in the air. It just doesn't seem as 'angry' 
>>if that makes sense. But, I do have a bit of oil (more) on the fuse after. 
>>I can hear the electric boys groan already!
>>
>>As for the pre-mix that you are talking about, I can't say, as I do not 
>>know if there are any other 'secret' ingredients added to it. I personally 
>>don't use it, unless I am at a comp overseas....and that was a while ago 
>>now!
>>
>>Why don't you just try it and see how you go. I just like mixing fuel 
>>myself-that way I control exactly what is going in there. You can also 
>>adjust things a little to suit. If you are asked," how much Nitro?" I 
>>usually answer "10% more than you!" L.O.L
>>
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of 
>>adriancwong at earthlink.net
>>Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 7:44 PM
>>To: General pattern discussion
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>>
>>To all,
>>
>>I have been using Coolpower 30% nitro/ 22% low vis oil heli fuel for over 
>>6 years with good results. However, I would like to try their 20% nitro 
>>heli fuel.
>>
>>Instead of low vis oil, the 20% nitro blend uses 20% ultra-high vis oil, 
>>similar to the 30% heli low smoke fuel.
>>
>>Has anyone try the 20% blend on both the regular & the cdi 170? Any 
>>difference besides lower top end? Does the ultra-high vis oil makes the 
>>engine runs warmer? Do I need to richen the pump slightly?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for the reply.
>>
>>Adrian
>>_______________________________________________
>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 18 21:48:38 2010
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:48:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
Message-ID: <6031676.1263883665239.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Matt,

Thx for reply.

Did you notice any changes on the pump setting? Did you have to richen it slightly because of the higher vis?

Thx,

Adrian

-----Original Message-----
>From: Matthew Frederick <mjfrederick at cox.net>
>Sent: Jan 19, 2010 12:35 AM
>To: adriancwong at earthlink.net, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>
>Adrian,
>
>I have used the 20% when my local hobby shop was out of the 30%. Little to 
>no noticable difference, if I had tached it I might have seen an RPM drop, 
>but just flying I really couldn't tell. I used it in both a 140 FZ and the 
>140 DZ.
>
>Matt
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>
>To: "Koenig,Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>; "'Generalpattern discussion'" 
><nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 8:34 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> Thx for the reply.
>>
>> I do have a case of the 20% heli with the high vis oil, and am planning to 
>> try it. I just wanted to find out ahead of time on what to expect on both 
>> the high end & the pump setting.
>>
>> Again, thx & with regards,
>>
>> Adrian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>>From: "Koenig, Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>
>>>Sent: Jan 18, 2010 5:45 PM
>>>To: "'adriancwong at earthlink.net'" <adriancwong at earthlink.net>, 'General
>>> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>>>
>>>Adrian,
>>>
>>>As most of you know, most of us down here 'mix' our own fuel using the 
>>>ingredients. We are able to purchase the Coolpower oils on their own. I 
>>>also use the VP Racing nitro. I'm not sure anymore, but I believe that 
>>>even that is now Chinese nitro, as there are no more Nitro factories open 
>>>in the U.S??? Anyone know?
>>>
>>>I personally have had better results using the higher viscosity oil (Blue 
>>>in colour).
>>>Yes-you may loose a little bit of top end power, (I cant really prove it 
>>>however) but for me and my conditions, the engine seems happier. It runs 
>>>'fluffier' and sounds smoother in the air. It just doesn't seem as 'angry' 
>>>if that makes sense. But, I do have a bit of oil (more) on the fuse after. 
>>>I can hear the electric boys groan already!
>>>
>>>As for the pre-mix that you are talking about, I can't say, as I do not 
>>>know if there are any other 'secret' ingredients added to it. I personally 
>>>don't use it, unless I am at a comp overseas....and that was a while ago 
>>>now!
>>>
>>>Why don't you just try it and see how you go. I just like mixing fuel 
>>>myself-that way I control exactly what is going in there. You can also 
>>>adjust things a little to suit. If you are asked," how much Nitro?" I 
>>>usually answer "10% more than you!" L.O.L
>>>
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>adriancwong at earthlink.net
>>>Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 7:44 PM
>>>To: General pattern discussion
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>>>
>>>To all,
>>>
>>>I have been using Coolpower 30% nitro/ 22% low vis oil heli fuel for over 
>>>6 years with good results. However, I would like to try their 20% nitro 
>>>heli fuel.
>>>
>>>Instead of low vis oil, the 20% nitro blend uses 20% ultra-high vis oil, 
>>>similar to the 30% heli low smoke fuel.
>>>
>>>Has anyone try the 20% blend on both the regular & the cdi 170? Any 
>>>difference besides lower top end? Does the ultra-high vis oil makes the 
>>>engine runs warmer? Do I need to richen the pump slightly?
>>>
>>>Thanks in advance for the reply.
>>>
>>>Adrian
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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Mon Jan 18 21:56:18 2010
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 06:56:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
Message-ID: <13331638.1263884176311.JavaMail.root@wamui-junio.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Chris,

I've not yet tested the Neptuno, I'm waiting for Derek to catch up ... :-)

Wow, 20x10 on the 170? that's a lot of prop. 

One of the reason why I want to try the 20% heli is the 170 actually don't need that much nitro, and the 30% just make the engine scream. In addition, the cdi runs hotter than the regular 170, and I think the 30% makes it worse. Actually, I want to try the Cosmo 20% fuel mixed for YS, very nice transition and sounded real sweet. I met the Cosmo rep at the WC and am trying to convince him to introduce Cosmo here.

Adrian

-----Original Message-----
>From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 18, 2010 10:33 PM
>To: adriancwong at earthlink.net, General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>
>Hey Adrian, 
>
>Flown the Neptuno yet?
>
>I'm not sure if the Kimbro's are?running the?CDI or not, I know they have 170's though. They?were at Arvin when I went down. I don't know what fuel they were?running, it wasn't Cool Power. But I have never heard a better sounding YS, and have?never seen the power that they were getting out of them. I?believe they were?running a 20x10 and the power?all around, even in down lines, was identical to the best electric?setup I have seen. I was thinking to myself, I said I would never go back to glow, but?that setup makes me think a little differently. Although I still couldn't afford the fuel! 
>
>I could get their info if you want. You?may already have it. 
>
>
>?
>Chris 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "adriancwong at earthlink.net" <adriancwong at earthlink.net>
>To: "Koenig,Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Mon, January 18, 2010 6:34:33 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>
>Hi Tom,
>
>Thx for the reply.
>
>I do have a case of the 20% heli with the high vis oil, and am planning to try it. I just wanted to find out ahead of time on what to expect on both the high end & the pump setting.
>
>Again, thx & with regards,
>
>Adrian
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: "Koenig, Tom" <Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au>
>>Sent: Jan 18, 2010 5:45 PM
>>To: "'adriancwong at earthlink.net'" <adriancwong at earthlink.net>, 'General
>> pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>>
>>Adrian,
>>
>>As most of you know, most of us down here 'mix' our own fuel using the ingredients. We are able to purchase the Coolpower oils on their own. I also use the VP Racing nitro. I'm not sure anymore, but I believe that even that is now Chinese nitro, as there are no more Nitro factories open in the U.S??? Anyone know?
>>
>>I personally have had better results using the higher viscosity oil (Blue in colour).
>>Yes-you may loose a little bit of top end power, (I cant really prove it however) but for me and my conditions, the engine seems happier. It runs 'fluffier' and sounds smoother in the air. It just doesn't seem as 'angry' if that makes sense. But, I do have a bit of oil (more) on the fuse after. I can hear the electric boys groan already!
>>
>>As for the pre-mix that you are talking about, I can't say, as I do not know if there are any other 'secret' ingredients added to it. I personally don't use it, unless I am at a comp overseas....and that was a while ago now!
>>
>>Why don't you just try it and see how you go. I just like mixing fuel myself-that way I control exactly what is going in there. You can also adjust things a little to suit. If you are asked," how much Nitro?" I usually answer "10% more than you!" L.O.L
>>
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of adriancwong at earthlink.net
>>Sent: Monday, 18 January 2010 7:44 PM
>>To: General pattern discussion
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Coolpower fuel
>>
>>To all,
>>
>>I have been using Coolpower 30% nitro/ 22% low vis oil heli fuel for over 6 years with good results. However, I would like to try their 20% nitro heli fuel.
>>
>>Instead of low vis oil, the 20% nitro blend uses 20% ultra-high vis oil, similar to the 30% heli low smoke fuel.
>>
>>Has anyone try the 20% blend on both the regular & the cdi 170? Any difference besides lower top end? Does the ultra-high vis oil makes the engine runs warmer? Do I need to richen the pump slightly?
>>
>>Thanks in advance for the reply.
>>
>>Adrian
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 18 22:11:52 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:11:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
Message-ID: <308831.38325.qm@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Has anyone ever tried to take a?foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall. 

Thanks!
?
Chris 


      
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From frankjuliei at comcast.net  Mon Jan 18 23:22:59 2010
From: frankjuliei at comcast.net (frank)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 08:22:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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Don't think you'll want to hang out in your room building as there is too
much fun elsewhere on board. The hallways are narrow and there are usually
people ( esp. clumbsy kids) moving quickly. Was on the Royal Carribean
Adventure of the Seas last Feb. on five  island cruise and there was  always
lots of wind everywhere. When we reached Aruba, I wondered how the pattern
boys there fly day in , day out  in heavy winds.

I recommend catching the sights poolside ( WOW!), relax with a drink and
something  good to read. Leave the foamy home. (The wife or girlfriend ,
too, if possible- mine would kill me if she read this) And DO get off at
every port and explore.

 

My .02.,

Frank

 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan
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Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:12 AM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

 

Has anyone ever tried to take a foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on
Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build
it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall. 

 

Thanks!
 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Tue Jan 19 04:47:06 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:47:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
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Thanks Dave. I'm even having trouble finding the 8411, which I thought was still a mainstay. The Canadian mail-order places seem to have dropped it from the catalogue. Guess I'll have to find a supplier south of the border.

Timothy Pascoe 
Physical Sciences Specialist
 
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-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:20 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

Tim,

The HV JR servos are overkill for pattern...not needed.

9411 or 8411 on aileron
8411 or 8611A on rudder
3517 (faster) or 3421 for stab mounted elevator servos

I favor the 8417 for a single elevator servo, if it has indeed been
discontinued, then 9411 or 8411.

For all servos for pattern applications, I prefer the nylon geartrains -
tighter, wear less, and lighter.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart, Team Horizon/JR


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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
[Burlington]
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:38 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

Airtronics is another option. I've just never used them, so I have even less
of an idea in terms of servo series/numbers for comparison.

Are the HV versions of the JR servos really that much better? They are
$50-$60 more than the original SA's I remember. I'm not running native Li-Po
power, so I don't need the HV option, but there seems to be very little else
from JR? Or is my local supplier just not carrying it?

Timothy Pascoe 
Physical Sciences Specialist
 
Yak Shaving - Any seemingly pointless activity which is actually necessary
to solve a problem which solves a problem which, several levels of recursion
later, solves the real problem you're working on

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Canada Centre for Inland Waters / Centre Canadien des Eaux Int?rieures
867 Lakeshore Road / 867, chemin Lakeshore
Burlington, Ontario / Burlington (Ontario) 
L7R 4A6

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-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

To add to that, I would no longer be "afraid" of metal gear servos.  The
tolerances have gotten much much tighter to where the "slop" factor is no
long of concern.  Just my opinion, but I think the Nylon only approach has
past it's day.

I'd also be remiss not to suggest you look at Airtronics servos if you're
looking at all brands.  They have an entire new line of affordable digitals
to choose from, as well as the high end line of digitals.

-Mark
(Team Airtronics...thus the plug).

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 2:20 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again

Tim,

Here are the list of JR servos the were popular so far.

Ailerons : DS9411 
Dual Elevator servos : DS3421
Single Elevator servo : DS8231 (plastic gear).  DS8417 has been
discontinued.
Rudder : DS8611

All the above are metal gears.  JR has discontinued all SA servos. If you
need plastic/resin geared servos, you will need JRPSG321 and JRPSG911 to
convert them to metal output with plastic gears.

You can also substitute DS8611 with DS8411 which can use JRPSG8101 to make
it 8411SA.

Hope this helps,

Ihncheol

--- On Mon, 1/18/10, Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca> wrote:

> From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servos - Again
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, January 18, 2010, 12:33 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> It's been
> 3-4 years since I bought servos for a
> pattern plane, and when I went searching for my trusty
> selections for a new
> bird, I discovered that a lot has changed in a short
> time. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> So -
> I'm looking for suggestions for Elevator,
> Rudder, and Aileron. I recently switched to Futaba for my
> transmitter, but was
> a JR guy previous to that and have always been happy with
> JR servos. I'd
> consider Futaba and Hitec as alternatives as
> well. 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Tim
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 04:51:11 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:51:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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Leave the foamy at home....you're going to be too busy having fun elsewhere.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: krishlan fitzsimmons 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:11 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


  Has anyone ever tried to take a foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall. 

  Thanks!
   
  Chris 







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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Tue Jan 19 04:58:44 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 13:58:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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Agree with these guys...  less about all the other fun, (which there is) but there's really NO room.  Even on deck IF...and this would be a huge if... there was less than 20mph winds, it's mobbed with people and there is just no open space.  If you wanted to risk flying out over the ocean you could, but seriously, wind is the norm, and hovering in to catch would be a challenge (and no place to land otherwise.)



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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:51 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

Leave the foamy at home....you're going to be too busy having fun elsewhere.
----- Original Message -----
From: krishlan fitzsimmons<mailto:homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 2:11 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

Has anyone ever tried to take a foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall.

Thanks!

Chris




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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Tue Jan 19 05:05:29 2010
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:05:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
In-Reply-To: <308831.38325.qm@web113901.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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If you're married and you're going with your wife,?I wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane. :)
?
John Pavlick

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From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:11 AM







Has anyone ever tried to take a?foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall. 
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Thanks!
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Tue Jan 19 05:09:36 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:09:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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And if you're NOT married, then I REALLLY wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane....Lol

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:05 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

If you're married and you're going with your wife, I wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane. :)

John Pavlick

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:11 AM
Has anyone ever tried to take a foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall.

Thanks!

Chris





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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Tue Jan 19 05:13:14 2010
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:13:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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Yeah -you're right.?I just thought about that. Plenty of other things to look at and keep you "busy". VBG
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From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
To: "jpavlick at idseng.com" <jpavlick at idseng.com>, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 8:53 AM








And if you?re NOT married, then I REALLLY wouldn?t suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane?.Lol
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Tue Jan 19 05:15:21 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:15:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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I see logic in these statements....
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Atwood, Mark 
  To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:53 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


  And if you're NOT married, then I REALLLY wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane..Lol

   

  Mark Atwood

  Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President

  5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 

  Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102

  mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com

   

  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:05 AM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

   

        If you're married and you're going with your wife, I wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane. :)

         

        John Pavlick

        --- On Tue, 1/19/10, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:


          From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
          Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
          To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
          Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:11 AM

          Has anyone ever tried to take a foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall. 

           

          Thanks!
           

          Chris 

           

           

           

           


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From jlachow at hotmail.com  Tue Jan 19 05:45:53 2010
From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 14:45:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Comp-ARF landing Gear For Sale
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I have a new set of CF Comp-ARF Integral landing gear for sale. Asking $40 plus S&H. These go for  $59 plus S&H from Comp-ARF.

 

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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 06:33:29 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 15:33:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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Yeah, I've been on this cruise before. I know it's small, but that makes it more fun to me. Thought it'd be cool to do a vid on the ship. The wife won't mind. She'll be gambling! lol


?
Chris 







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From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 6:14:46 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


I see logic in these statements....
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Atwood, Mark 
>To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:53 AM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
>
>
>And if you?re NOT married, then I REALLLY wouldn?t suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane?.Lol
>?
>Mark Atwood
>Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
>5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
>Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
>mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com
>?
>From:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists..nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
>Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:05 AM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
>?
>If you're married and you're going with your wife,?I wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane. :)
>?
>John Pavlick
>
>--- On Tue, 1/19/10, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
>>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:11 AM
>>Has anyone ever tried to take a?foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall.. 
>>?
>>Thanks!
>>?
>>Chris 
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From rob at koolsoft.com  Tue Jan 19 07:44:50 2010
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:44:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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I would think that as long as it is in your suitcase (not carryon) when you board, it would be ok.  Prolly similar rules to an airplane.

 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:33 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

 

Yeah, I've been on this cruise before. I know it's small, but that makes it more fun to me. Thought it'd be cool to do a vid on the ship. The wife won't mind. She'll be gambling! lol

 


 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 6:14:46 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

I see logic in these statements.....

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	From: Atwood, Mark <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  

	To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

	Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:53 AM

	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

	 

	And if you?re NOT married, then I REALLLY wouldn?t suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane?.Lol

	 

	Mark Atwood

	Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President

	5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 

	Phone: 440..684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102

	mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com <http://www.paragon-inc.com/> 

	 

	From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
	Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:05 AM
	To: General pattern discussion
	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????

	 

If you're married and you're going with your wife, I wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane. :)

 

John Pavlick

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	From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
	Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:11 AM

	Has anyone ever tried to take a foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall. 

	 

	Thanks!
	 

	Chris 

	 

	 

	 

	 

	
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From aabdu at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 19 09:41:26 2010
From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Abdullah)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:41:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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I?Would definitely watch a video of your foamy flying over the ocean! Is the plane fast enough to keep or catch up with the ship should you fly it over the water? What a hopeless feeling?it?would?be to fly it out over the sea and have the plane fall further and further behind the ship at full throttle. 

Let's see, if a ship leaves the port of Miami at 12 knots headed into a 25 knot headwind, how far toward the equator will the remains of a?Shock Flyer drift.??




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From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:33:27 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


Yeah, I've been on this cruise before. I know it's small, but that makes it more fun to me. Thought it'd be cool to do a vid on the ship. The wife won't mind. She'll be gambling! lol


?
Chris 







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From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 6:14:46 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


I see logic in these statements.....
----- Original Message ----- 
>From: Atwood, Mark 
>To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion 
>Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:53 AM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
>
>
>And if you?re NOT married, then I REALLLY wouldn?t suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane?.Lol
>?
>Mark Atwood
>Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
>5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
>Phone: 440..684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
>mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com
>?
>From:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
>Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:05 AM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
>?
>If you're married and you're going with your wife,?I wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane. :)
>?
>John Pavlick
>
>--- On Tue, 1/19/10, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
>>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:11 AM
>>Has anyone ever tried to take a?foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall. 
>>?
>>Thanks!
>>?
>>Chris 
>>?
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From scott at rcfoamy.com  Tue Jan 19 09:47:14 2010
From: scott at rcfoamy.com (scott anderson)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:47:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
In-Reply-To: <544749.10771.qm@web82103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Could make for some fun skeet shooting.....<vbg>



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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony Abdullah 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 1:41 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


  I Would definitely watch a video of your foamy flying over the ocean! Is the plane fast enough to keep or catch up with the ship should you fly it over the water? What a hopeless feeling it would be to fly it out over the sea and have the plane fall further and further behind the ship at full throttle. 

  Let's see, if a ship leaves the port of Miami at 12 knots headed into a 25 knot headwind, how far toward the equator will the remains of a Shock Flyer drift.  




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  From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 10:33:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


  Yeah, I've been on this cruise before. I know it's small, but that makes it more fun to me. Thought it'd be cool to do a vid on the ship. The wife won't mind. She'll be gambling! lol


   
  Chris 








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  From: Pete Cosky <pcosky at comcast.net>
  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Tue, January 19, 2010 6:14:46 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


  I see logic in these statements.....
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Atwood, Mark 
    To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion 
    Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 8:53 AM
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????


    And if you?re NOT married, then I REALLLY wouldn?t suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane?.Lol



    Mark Atwood

    Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President

    5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 

    Phone: 440..684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102

    mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com



    From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
    Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 9:05 AM
    To: General pattern discussion
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????



          If you're married and you're going with your wife, I wouldn't suggest bringing any kind of toy airplane. :)



          John Pavlick

          --- On Tue, 1/19/10, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:


            From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
            Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
            To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
            Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 2:11 AM

            Has anyone ever tried to take a foamy on a cruise ship? I'm leaving on Monday and was curious... I wonder if I could at least take the kit, build it onboard, and fly in the tiny cabin, or in the hall. 



            Thanks!
             

            Chris 










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From patterndude at tx.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 09:56:14 2010
From: patterndude at tx.rr.com (patterndude at tx.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 18:56:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] foamy on a cruise????
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Sure. Be sure to fly it in front of the bridge
Lance
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From schale at optonline.net  Tue Jan 19 14:58:26 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 23:58:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <3AF349FE7731429DB2EA1153B3E241DE@Tony>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
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	<4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>
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	<506F3A2286BE49519BC2FD09E5D87026@Tony>
	<1500200972-1262804305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1666548618-@bda463.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<3AF349FE7731429DB2EA1153B3E241DE@Tony>
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In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to some old 
videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.  Well 
worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)

http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01

Stuart C.


From WallaceBill at bfusa.com  Tue Jan 19 17:20:15 2010
From: WallaceBill at bfusa.com (Wallace, Bill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:20:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <4B564716.3030509@optonline.net>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>
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	<6B915F69-B3AF-4A46-8754-CAC2413C133B@cox.net>
	<99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<506F3A2286BE49519BC2FD09E5D87026@Tony>
	<1500200972-1262804305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1666548618-@bda463.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<3AF349FE7731429DB2EA1153B3E241DE@Tony>
	<4B564716.3030509@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <EC91249336DBA74EB724F94D45A4D3460ACBCC65E2@EXC1-AK-FIS.bfusa.com>

I would love to watch this video, but on my screen I get a car commercial every 15 seconds - very frustrating.

Bill Wallace
Fleet Sales Manager
Bridgestone Bandag Tire Solutions
4000 E. Mission Blvd.
Ontario, CA  91761
Cell Phone - 951-385-2605
Fax number - 615-493-2333




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-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:58 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video

In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to some old 
videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.  Well 
worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)

http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01

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From tkeithblack at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 17:25:32 2010
From: tkeithblack at gmail.com (Keith Black)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:25:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <4B564716.3030509@optonline.net>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
	<BLU121-DS14BCDBB476A2180928225E8720@phx.gbl>
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	<99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<506F3A2286BE49519BC2FD09E5D87026@Tony>
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Message-ID: <77f26e411001191825g3a1ef298ye54bcfec7dfa1870@mail.gmail.com>

Stuart, that is SO cool!

Thanks for posting it,
Keith

On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> wrote:
> In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to some old
> videos. ?This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds. ?Well worth
> watching if you haven't seen it before.
> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
>
> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
>
> Stuart C.
>
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 19 17:31:05 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:31:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <77f26e411001191825g3a1ef298ye54bcfec7dfa1870@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <93044.2218.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Great video! Thanks

--- On Tue, 1/19/10, Keith Black <tkeithblack at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Keith Black <tkeithblack at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 8:25 PM
> Stuart, that is SO cool!
> 
> Thanks for posting it,
> Keith
> 
> On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> wrote:
> > In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted
> a link to some old
> > videos. ?This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the
> 1971 worlds. ?Well worth
> > watching if you haven't seen it before.
> > Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
> >
> > http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
> >
> > Stuart C.
> >
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> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From schale at optonline.net  Tue Jan 19 17:36:09 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:36:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <EC91249336DBA74EB724F94D45A4D3460ACBCC65E2@EXC1-AK-FIS.bfusa.com>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
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	<99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<506F3A2286BE49519BC2FD09E5D87026@Tony>
	<1500200972-1262804305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1666548618-@bda463.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<3AF349FE7731429DB2EA1153B3E241DE@Tony>
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Message-ID: <4B566C0D.4060405@optonline.net>

I only get a commercial at the very start. 

Wallace, Bill wrote:
> I would love to watch this video, but on my screen I get a car commercial every 15 seconds - very frustrating.
>
> Bill Wallace
> Fleet Sales Manager
> Bridgestone Bandag Tire Solutions
> 4000 E. Mission Blvd.
> Ontario, CA  91761
> Cell Phone - 951-385-2605
> Fax number - 615-493-2333
>
>
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:58 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
>
> In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to some old 
> videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.  Well 
> worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
>
> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
>
> Stuart C.
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From atwooddon at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 17:39:33 2010
From: atwooddon at aol.com (atwooddon at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:39:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
Message-ID: <18f8a.3db39b46.3887c6c6@aol.com>

you need to click on the center 'start' button as soon as it appears, if  
you wait too long you get the stupid car commercial and can't get rid of  it.
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:36:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
schale at optonline.net writes:

I only  get a commercial at the very start. 

Wallace, Bill wrote:
> I  would love to watch this video, but on my screen I get a car 
commercial every  15 seconds - very frustrating.
>
> Bill Wallace
> Fleet  Sales Manager
> Bridgestone Bandag Tire Solutions
> 4000 E.  Mission Blvd.
> Ontario, CA  91761
> Cell Phone -  951-385-2605
> Fax number -  615-493-2333
>
>
>
>
> This message is intended  only for the individual or entity to which it 
is addressed. It may contain  privileged, confidential information which is 
exempt from disclosure under  applicable law. If you are not the intended 
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you have received this in error,  please notify me immediately at 
bwallace at bandag.com or at 951-385-2605. Thank  you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org  
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart  Chale
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:58 PM
> To: General  pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds  video
>
> In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a  link to some old 
> videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of  the 1971 worlds.  Well 
> worth watching if you haven't seen it  before.
> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
>
>  
http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
>
>  Stuart C.
>
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From atwooddon at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 17:47:14 2010
From: atwooddon at aol.com (atwooddon at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 02:47:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
Message-ID: <192dc.7fbe52b.3887c889@aol.com>

also, the car commercial pops up any time the media player is buffering  
data.  In other words, if the data streaming can't keep up with video, the  
video stops and waits until it has enough data in it's buffer to play  
smoothly.  If that happens, hit the pause button (lower left of the player  screen) 
and let the data download get ahead of the player.
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:39:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
atwooddon at aol.com writes:

you need to click on the center 'start' button as soon as it appears, if  
you wait too long you get the stupid car commercial and can't get rid of  it.
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:36:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
schale at optonline.net writes:

I only  get a commercial at the very start. 

Wallace, Bill wrote:
> I  would love to watch this video, but on my screen I get a car 
commercial  every 15 seconds - very frustrating.
>
> Bill Wallace
>  Fleet Sales Manager
> Bridgestone Bandag Tire Solutions
> 4000  E. Mission Blvd.
> Ontario, CA  91761
> Cell Phone -  951-385-2605
> Fax number -  615-493-2333
>
>
>
>
> This message is  intended only for the individual or entity to which it 
is addressed. It may  contain privileged, confidential information which is 
exempt from disclosure  under applicable law. If you are not the intended 
recipient, you are  prohibited from disseminating or distributing this 
information (other than  to the intended recipient) or copying this information. If 
you have received  this in error, please notify me immediately at 
bwallace at bandag.com or at  951-385-2605. Thank you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org  
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart  Chale
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:58 PM
> To: General  pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds  video
>
> In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted  a link to some old 
> videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video  of the 1971 worlds.  Well 
> worth watching if you haven't seen  it before.
> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
>
>  
http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
>
>  Stuart C.
>
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From WallaceBill at bfusa.com  Tue Jan 19 18:13:25 2010
From: WallaceBill at bfusa.com (Wallace, Bill)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:13:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <192dc.7fbe52b.3887c889@aol.com>
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Thanks Don.


Bill Wallace
Fleet Sales Manager
Bridgestone Bandag Tire Solutions
4000 E. Mission Blvd.
Ontario, CA  91761
Cell Phone - 951-385-2605
Fax number - 615-493-2333


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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of atwooddon at aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 6:47 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video

also, the car commercial pops up any time the media player is buffering data.  In other words, if the data streaming can't keep up with video, the video stops and waits until it has enough data in it's buffer to play smoothly.  If that happens, hit the pause button (lower left of the player screen) and let the data download get ahead of the player.

Don

In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:39:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, atwooddon at aol.com writes:
you need to click on the center 'start' button as soon as it appears, if you wait too long you get the stupid car commercial and can't get rid of it.

Don

In a message dated 1/19/2010 6:36:22 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, schale at optonline.net writes:
I only get a commercial at the very start.

Wallace, Bill wrote:
> I would love to watch this video, but on my screen I get a car commercial every 15 seconds - very frustrating.
>
> Bill Wallace
> Fleet Sales Manager
> Bridgestone Bandag Tire Solutions
> 4000 E. Mission Blvd.
> Ontario, CA  91761
> Cell Phone - 951-385-2605
> Fax number - 615-493-2333
>
>
>
>
> This message is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain privileged, confidential information which is exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from disseminating or distributing this information (other than to the intended recipient) or copying this information. If you have received this in error, please notify me immediately at bwallace at bandag.com or at 951-385-2605. Thank you.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
> Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2010 3:58 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
>
> In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to some old
> videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.  Well
> worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
>
> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
>
> Stuart C.
>
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Tue Jan 19 18:45:40 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:45:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
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I may have watched this one before many moons ago. Great to see it again. Really cool to watch the then no-names become common references in patterndom





-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2010 6:58 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video


In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to some old videos. This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds. Well worth watching if you haven't seen it before. 
Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :) 
 
http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01 
 
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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Jan 20 06:59:11 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:59:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
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Here is one form 1075 Switzerland world champs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a-ghZArnk


Stuart Chale wrote:
> In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to some 
> old videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.  
> Well worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
>
> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01 
>
>
> Stuart C.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Jan 20 07:10:40 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:10:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
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That would be really old, 1975 :)

Stuart Chale wrote:
> Here is one form 1075 Switzerland world champs.
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a-ghZArnk
>
>
> Stuart Chale wrote:
>> In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to some 
>> old videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.  
>> Well worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
>> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
>>
>> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01 
>>
>>
>> Stuart C.
>>
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>
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Wed Jan 20 09:37:05 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 18:37:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
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We knew what you meant, Stuart!!!

At 11:10 AM 1/20/2010, you wrote:
>That would be really old, 1975 :)
>
>Stuart Chale wrote:
>>Here is one form 1075 Switzerland world champs.
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a-ghZArnk
>>
>>
>>Stuart Chale wrote:
>>>In case you haven't been to RCU lately someone posted a link to 
>>>some old videos.  This one is an AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.
>>>Well worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
>>>Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
>>>
>>>http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01 
>>>
>>>
>>>Stuart C.
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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>
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-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 10:38:49 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:38:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
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 I love the conversation with Kraft, Chidgey, Whitley and Edwards where they are talking about handling the pressure. Jim Whitley was a former pro golfer and he probably had the best advise. Phil Kraft always looked so cool and collected when he flew. Who knew that he was feeling the heat. 
 How cool is it to see Norm's Mach One taking off and pulling up the gear. It reminded me of watching him do the same thing a thousand times at our practice field. That guy could flat out fly.
 Really great stuff. Mike

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:37 PM
> 
>  
> We knew what you meant, Stuart!!!
> 
> 
> At 11:10 AM 1/20/2010, you wrote:
> 
> That would be
> really old, 1975
> :)
> 
> 
> Stuart Chale wrote:
> 
> Here is one
> form 1075
> Switzerland world champs.
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a-ghZArnk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Stuart Chale wrote:
> 
> In case you
> haven't been to RCU
> lately someone posted a link to some old videos.? This
> one is an
> AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.? 
> 
> Well worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
> 
> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
> 
> 
> 
> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
>  
> 
> 
> Stuart C.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
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> 
> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>  
> -->
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> targets.
> 
> 
> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> 
> ?????? URL:
> 
> http://www.kcrctn.com
> 
> AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> 
> ????? My URL:
> 
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> 
> ????? (865) 435-1476 v?
> (865) 604-0541
> c  
> 
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From aabdu at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 20 11:01:56 2010
From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Abdullah)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:01:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <328365.54033.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <328365.54033.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <825700.3394.qm@web82105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

In one of the videos there was s screen shot of the leader board. I saw Mark Radcliff's name on it and felt honored to have competed (and lost) against him last year. I hope he comes back for a few more contests in 2010. 




________________________________
From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 2:38:48 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video

I love the conversation with Kraft, Chidgey, Whitley and Edwards where they are talking about handling the pressure. Jim Whitley was a former pro golfer and he probably had the best advise. Phil Kraft always looked so cool and collected when he flew. Who knew that he was feeling the heat. 
How cool is it to see Norm's Mach One taking off and pulling up the gear. It reminded me of watching him do the same thing a thousand times at our practice field. That guy could flat out fly.
Really great stuff. Mike

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:37 PM
> 
>? 
> We knew what you meant, Stuart!!!
> 
> 
> At 11:10 AM 1/20/2010, you wrote:
> 
> That would be
> really old, 1975
> :)
> 
> 
> Stuart Chale wrote:
> 
> Here is one
> form 1075
> Switzerland world champs.
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a-ghZArnk
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Stuart Chale wrote:
> 
> In case you
> haven't been to RCU
> lately someone posted a link to some old videos.? This
> one is an
> AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.? 
> 
> Well worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
> 
> Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
> 
> 
> 
> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
>? 
> 
> 
> Stuart C.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>? 
> -->
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> targets.
> 
> 
> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> 
> ?????? URL:
> 
> http://www.kcrctn.com
> 
> AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> 
> ????? My URL:
> 
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> 
> ????? (865) 435-1476 v?
> (865) 604-0541
> c? 
> 
> 
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From chadnortheast at shaw.ca  Wed Jan 20 11:20:58 2010
From: chadnortheast at shaw.ca (Chad Northeast)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:20:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
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Ivan's name is right under Mark's and got me thinking this is something cool about this hobby, I wasn't even born when that video what shot, there is Ivan at the Worlds in '75, and hopefully in 2011 we will be at the Worlds as a team.? Who knew you would end up flying with someone that was doing it while you were not even around lol :)

Chad

----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony Abdullah <aabdu at sbcglobal.net>
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

> In one of the videos there was s screen shot of the leader 
> board. I saw Mark Radcliff's name on it and felt honored to have 
> competed (and lost) against him last year. I hope he comes back 
> for a few more contests in 2010. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wed, January 20, 2010 2:38:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> 
> I love the conversation with Kraft, Chidgey, Whitley and Edwards 
> where they are talking about handling the pressure. Jim Whitley 
> was a former pro golfer and he probably had the best advise. 
> Phil Kraft always looked so cool and collected when he flew. Who 
> knew that he was feeling the heat. 
> How cool is it to see Norm's Mach One taking off and pulling up 
> the gear. It reminded me of watching him do the same thing a 
> thousand times at our practice field. That guy could flat out fly.
> Really great stuff. Mike
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-
> discussion at lists.nsrca.org>> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 
> 12:37 PM
> > 
> >? 
> > We knew what you meant, Stuart!!!
> > 
> > 
> > At 11:10 AM 1/20/2010, you wrote:
> > 
> > That would be
> > really old, 1975
> > :)
> > 
> > 
> > Stuart Chale wrote:
> > 
> > Here is one
> > form 1075
> > Switzerland world champs.
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a-ghZArnk
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Stuart Chale wrote:
> > 
> > In case you
> > haven't been to RCU
> > lately someone posted a link to some old videos.? This
> > one is an
> > AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.? 
> > 
> > Well worth watching if you haven't seen it before.
> > 
> > Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01>? 
> > 
> > 
> > Stuart C.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >? 
> > -->
> > There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> > targets.
> > 
> > 
> > Phil Spelt, Past President,
> > Knox County Radio
> > Control Society, Inc.
> > 
> > ?????? URL:
> > 
> > http://www.kcrctn.com
> > 
> > AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> > 
> > ????? My URL:
> > 
> > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> > 
> > ????? (865) 435-1476 v?
> > (865) 604-0541
> > c? 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 11:34:55 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:34:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <825700.3394.qm@web82105.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <506057.29698.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 The plane Mark was flying is a Phoenix and it's being made into an ARF by Horizon soon. Rusty Dose had it and the new one flying at a Classic Pattern event last year in Muncie. 
 Rusty will be hosting an event in St Charles Illinois on Saturday the 29th of May.
 He is going to have about 6 planes there that anyone intersted can fly and hopefully there will be guys with retro planes of their own.  Mike

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Anthony Abdullah <aabdu at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> From: Anthony Abdullah <aabdu at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 2:01 PM
> In
> one of the videos there was s screen shot of the leader
> board. I saw Mark Radcliff's name on it and felt honored
> to have competed (and lost) against him last year. I hope he
> comes back for a few more contests in 2010. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: mike
> mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
> To: General
> pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wed,
> January 20, 2010 2:38:48 PM
> Subject: Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> 
> I love the conversation with Kraft, Chidgey, Whitley and
> Edwards where they are talking about handling the pressure.
> Jim Whitley was a former pro golfer and he probably had the
> best advise. Phil Kraft always looked so cool and collected
> when he flew. Who knew that he was feeling the heat. 
> How cool is it to see Norm's Mach One taking off and
> pulling up the gear. It reminded me of watching him do the
> same thing a thousand times at our practice field. That guy
> could flat out fly.
> Really great stuff. Mike
> 
> --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Phil
>  Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:37 PM
> > 
> >? 
> > We knew what you meant, Stuart!!!
> > 
> > 
> > At 11:10 AM 1/20/2010, you wrote:
> > 
> > That would be
> > really old, 1975
> > :)
> > 
> > 
> > Stuart Chale wrote:
> > 
> > Here is one
> > form 1075
> > Switzerland world champs.
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0a-ghZArnk
> > 
> >
>  
> > 
> > 
> > Stuart Chale wrote:
> > 
> > In case you
> > haven't been to RCU
> > lately someone posted a link to some old videos.?
> This
> > one is an
> > AMA/J. Gerber video of the 1971 worlds.? 
> > 
> > Well worth watching if you haven't seen it
> before.
> > 
> > Stars a very young Ron Chidgey :)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> http://tvpot.daum.net/clip/ClipView.do?cateid=0&ref=search&sort=wtime&clipid=2186663&searchType=0&svcid=&svctype=1&q=F3A&lu=v_search_01
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > Stuart C.
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> >
>  http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >? 
> > -->
> > There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> > targets.
> > 
> > 
> > Phil Spelt, Past President,
> > Knox County Radio
> > Control Society, Inc.
> > 
> > ?????? URL:
> > 
> > http://www.kcrctn.com
> > 
> > AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> > 
> > ????? My URL:
> > 
> > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> > 
> > ????? (865) 435-1476 v?
> > (865) 604-0541
> > c? 
> > 
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> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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> 
> ? ? ? 
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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Jan 20 12:44:11 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:44:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <20100120183705.38F281154E@bridi.netexpress.com>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>
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	<99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<506F3A2286BE49519BC2FD09E5D87026@Tony>
	<1500200972-1262804305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1666548618-@bda463.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<3AF349FE7731429DB2EA1153B3E241DE@Tony>
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From borzak_ranger at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 20 19:17:41 2010
From: borzak_ranger at yahoo.com (Nathan LeGrand)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:17:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
Message-ID: <522264.40799.qm@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

After watching the videos I think all future SPA events should award bonus points for period clothes and period haircuts etc....


      
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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Wed Jan 20 19:40:28 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 04:40:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <522264.40799.qm@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <522264.40799.qm@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <108D402D-8F6E-4B87-8056-C121512CEF1C@buddengineering.com>

Careful, M2 is just looking for an excuse to wear plaid pants to the  
Nats (I think he envision's himself as a "pattern" Payne Stewart")!

Jerry

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2010, at 8:17 PM, Nathan LeGrand <borzak_ranger at yahoo.com>  
wrote:

> After watching the videos I think all future SPA events should award  
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Thu Jan 21 05:48:37 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:48:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <522264.40799.qm@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <522264.40799.qm@web39501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC68BFDDF14AA9-75F8-9EF7@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com>


 We'd also have to allow Stroh's beer drinking between flights like Dave Brown used to do!  The more beer he had, the better he flew.

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

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To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 10:17 pm
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After watching the videos I think all future SPA events should award bonus points for period clothes and period haircuts etc....


      
 
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 21 05:51:28 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:51:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <8CC68BFDDF14AA9-75F8-9EF7@webmail-d047.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <558908.13980.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Trust me Jon that was true to a point. After a few too many I saw him go downhill many times. He was always a lot of fun. Mike

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 8:48 AM
> 
>  We'd also have to allow Stroh's beer
> drinking between flights like Dave Brown used to do!?
> The more beer he had, the better he flew.
> 
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> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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> Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 10:17 pm
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> After watching the videos I think all future
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From ejhaury at comcast.net  Thu Jan 21 06:29:09 2010
From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:29:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
In-Reply-To: <558908.13980.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <558908.13980.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5DD5FAD5ACDD48EAAE09077CD504F79B@EarlPC>

Dave was well known for distant turnarounds that got more distant with 
Stroh's. Ask how he could possibly see the airplane at that distance he 
replied that, by then, he actually saw several. When ask which one he flew 
and he immediately answered "the lowest one".  Always fun!

Earl
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mike mueller" <mups1953 at yahoo.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video


Trust me Jon that was true to a point. After a few too many I saw him go 
downhill many times. He was always a lot of fun. Mike

--- On Thu, 1/21/10, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:

> From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 1971 F3A Worlds video
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Thursday, January 21, 2010, 8:48 AM
>
>  We'd also have to allow Stroh's beer
> drinking between flights like Dave Brown used to do!
> The more beer he had, the better he flew.
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>
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>
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Jan 21 11:45:51 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:45:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver
Message-ID: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony>

Does anyone out there have a good used R129DP or R149DP on 72Mhz that they
want to get rid up cheap?  I have a customer looking for a  good used unit
for around $40.

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 

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From trexlesh at msn.com  Thu Jan 21 11:52:18 2010
From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:52:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver
In-Reply-To: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony>
Message-ID: <BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>


I've got three 149DP rec's... all need antenna wires, but still work fine. I'd be willing to get rid of all of them!

They are all on 72.810

 

Rex
 


From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:45:42 -0500
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver







Does anyone out there have a good used R129DP or R149DP on 72Mhz that they want to get rid up cheap?  I have a customer looking for a  good used unit for around $40.
 
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Jan 21 12:11:07 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:11:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony>
	<BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B9C0AC49A6C54F54923A7DEDB3075D16@Tony>

Can you give me a call at 1-800-962-7802 and we can talk.

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Rex
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:52 PM
To: NSRCA-discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver

 

I've got three 149DP rec's... all need antenna wires, but still work fine.
I'd be willing to get rid of all of them!
They are all on 72.810
 
Rex
 

  _____  

From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:45:42 -0500
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver

Does anyone out there have a good used R129DP or R149DP on 72Mhz that they
want to get rid up cheap?  I have a customer looking for a  good used unit
for around $40.

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Jan 21 12:16:15 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:16:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver
In-Reply-To: <B9C0AC49A6C54F54923A7DEDB3075D16@Tony>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony><BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
	<B9C0AC49A6C54F54923A7DEDB3075D16@Tony>
Message-ID: <8B4195CBD2AC4C07B3B909351003FC1B@Tony>

Thanks!  I picked up 3 receivers!   I appreciate the help!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:11 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver

 

Can you give me a call at 1-800-962-7802 and we can talk.

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Rex
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:52 PM
To: NSRCA-discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver

 

I've got three 149DP rec's... all need antenna wires, but still work fine.
I'd be willing to get rid of all of them!
They are all on 72.810
 
Rex
 

  _____  

From: tony at radiosouthrc.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:45:42 -0500
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] looking for receiver

Does anyone out there have a good used R129DP or R149DP on 72Mhz that they
want to get rid up cheap?  I have a customer looking for a  good used unit
for around $40.

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 

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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Fri Jan 22 09:30:58 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:30:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] JR Servo Availability
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA982548@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

I've been searching around for some of the JR servos I've used in the past, and which were recommended to me by the list on my last question. I've been getting contrary information regarding whether they have been discontinued or not, and no clear answer for which servos are intended to replace them. Any answers out there from someone in the know?

 

I was looking for:

 

8411SA 

9411SA

8611A

 

Thanks,

 

Timothy Pascoe 
Physical Sciences Specialist

 

Yak Shaving - Any seemingly pointless activity which is actually necessary to solve a problem which solves a problem which, several levels of recursion later, solves the real problem you're working on

 

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From schale at optonline.net  Fri Jan 22 10:06:27 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:06:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] JR Servo Availability
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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Fri Jan 22 10:09:01 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:09:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] JR Servo Availability
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So just the SA versions are discontinued? I'll have to talk to the LHS again, and see if they can order the metal gear version.

 

Thanks for that clarification.

 

Tim

 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:06 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] JR Servo Availability

 

It has been mentioned that the SA servos have been discontinued but the metal gear versions can be converted to the SA versions with a set of nylon gears.
JR now sells the conversion set JRPS8411SAC.  The 8231 gear set has also been mentioned to convert the 8411 to 8411SA (output gear is not replaced).  Both items are probably the same.

9411's can be converted to SA's with the 911 gear set.
Stuart C.


Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] wrote: 

I've been searching around for some of the JR servos I've used in the past, and which were recommended to me by the list on my last question. I've been getting contrary information regarding whether they have been discontinued or not, and no clear answer for which servos are intended to replace them. Any answers out there from someone in the know?

 

I was looking for:

 

8411SA 

9411SA

8611A

 

Thanks,

 

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From billt2 at verizon.net  Sat Jan 23 12:51:46 2010
From: billt2 at verizon.net (BILL THOMPSON)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:51:46 -0000
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From ojfrets at earthlink.net  Sat Jan 23 13:23:23 2010
From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO  FRETS)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:23:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test
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You pass. 


Orlando Frets

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From schale at optonline.net  Sat Jan 23 13:35:11 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 22:35:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test
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From medlin57 at embarqmail.com  Sun Jan 24 17:14:57 2010
From: medlin57 at embarqmail.com (Michael Medlin)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:14:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Airtronics Servo Question
Message-ID: <50D0DDD2797648E589F1BAB55533DEB5@LivingRoom>

Has anyone used airtronics 94772 servos before? The have decent numbers, but I can't find if they are coreless motors or not. Hobby People has them for $69 right now. Thanks
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 24 20:17:40 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (Chris Fitzsimmons)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:17:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Airtronics Servo Question
Message-ID: <894354.78714.qm@web113912.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have not used them, but I forwarded you questio to mike. He can answer this for you.

Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:15 PM, "Michael Medlin" <medlin57 at embarqmail.com> wrote:

Has anyone used airtronics 94772 servos before? The have decent numbers, but I can't find if they are coreless motors or not. Hobby People has them for $69 right now. Thanks
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Mon Jan 25 03:52:11 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:52:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Airtronics Servo Question
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Yes, the 772's are a coreless motor.  I've used the 771's, and 773's extensively which are the same servo with a different gear train (the 772's are geared to be faster than the 771's with a little less torque, the 773's are a little slower than the 771's with more torque)

You'll like them, and it's a great price.  ATX has a whole new line of servos just starting to ship, so my guess is that these are being phased out and thus the bargain price, but I'm not 100% positive of that.

-Mark

Mark Atwood
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Chris Fitzsimmons
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:18 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Cc: Mike Greenshields
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Airtronics Servo Question

I have not used them, but I forwarded you questio to mike. He can answer this for you.

Chris

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 24, 2010, at 6:15 PM, "Michael Medlin" <medlin57 at embarqmail.com<mailto:medlin57 at embarqmail.com>> wrote:
Has anyone used airtronics 94772 servos before? The have decent numbers, but I can't find if they are coreless motors or not. Hobby People has them for $69 right now. Thanks
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 08:44:30 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:44:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
Message-ID: <106C83F7-CB17-48D7-B6B7-D967CABC436A@cox.net>

What is a good e-mail address for Rusty Fried?  I have tried e- 
mailing him several times at completemarine02 at gmail.com since the  
first of the month and never get a response.

Ron Van Putte

From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 08:48:24 2010
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:48:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
In-Reply-To: <106C83F7-CB17-48D7-B6B7-D967CABC436A@cox.net>
References: <106C83F7-CB17-48D7-B6B7-D967CABC436A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <3454543c1001260948o5f9cb522r48c0bcb5e366eb67@mail.gmail.com>

That's the email address that I have...

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 9:46 AM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> What is a good e-mail address for Rusty Fried?  I have tried e-mailing him
> several times at completemarine02 at gmail.com since the first of the month
> and never get a response.
>
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From WallaceBill at bfusa.com  Tue Jan 26 08:51:03 2010
From: WallaceBill at bfusa.com (Wallace, Bill)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:51:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
Message-ID: <EC91249336DBA74EB724F94D45A4D3460ACB2ECB19@EXC1-AK-FIS.bfusa.com>

Try this one Ron - completemarine02 at sprintpcs.com

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To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue Jan 26 12:46:50 2010
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address

What is a good e-mail address for Rusty Fried?  I have tried e- 
mailing him several times at completemarine02 at gmail.com since the  
first of the month and never get a response.

Ron Van Putte
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 09:11:07 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:11:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
In-Reply-To: <EC91249336DBA74EB724F94D45A4D3460ACB2ECB19@EXC1-AK-FIS.bfusa.com>
References: <EC91249336DBA74EB724F94D45A4D3460ACB2ECB19@EXC1-AK-FIS.bfusa.com>
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completemarine02 at gmail.com or completemarine02 at yahoo.com.

The sprintpcs.com doesn't bounce but it doesn't reach Rusty.

those are zero's not o's before the two.
If he doesn't answer, it's because he doesn't like you anymore. :)

John

Wallace, Bill wrote:
> Try this one Ron - completemarine02 at sprintpcs.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tue Jan 26 12:46:50 2010
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
>
> What is a good e-mail address for Rusty Fried?  I have tried e- 
> mailing him several times at completemarine02 at gmail.com since the  
> first of the month and never get a response.
>
> Ron Van Putte
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From rob at koolsoft.com  Tue Jan 26 09:45:57 2010
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:45:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
In-Reply-To: <4B5F3009.2000307@comcast.net>
References: <EC91249336DBA74EB724F94D45A4D3460ACB2ECB19@EXC1-AK-FIS.bfusa.com>
	<4B5F3009.2000307@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E65031@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

Has he ever actually liked anyone?  :-)

- Robert Beaubien
- NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
-
"No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
Gayer
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 11:10 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address

completemarine02 at gmail.com or completemarine02 at yahoo.com.

The sprintpcs.com doesn't bounce but it doesn't reach Rusty.

those are zero's not o's before the two.
If he doesn't answer, it's because he doesn't like you anymore. :)

John

Wallace, Bill wrote:
> Try this one Ron - completemarine02 at sprintpcs.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tue Jan 26 12:46:50 2010
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
>
> What is a good e-mail address for Rusty Fried?  I have tried e- 
> mailing him several times at completemarine02 at gmail.com since the  
> first of the month and never get a response.
>
> Ron Van Putte
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From jaqfly at prodigy.net  Tue Jan 26 12:00:49 2010
From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:00:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] KFactor downloads
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	<4B5F3009.2000307@comcast.net>
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A new member from Australia just emailed me that he is having a problem downloading KFactors. I tried it myself and it seemed slooooooooooow. Is it me or is it something else?
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Tue Jan 26 12:46:35 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 21:46:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] KFactor downloads
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On 1/26/2010 4:00 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:

> A new member from Australia just emailed me that he is having a problem
> downloading KFactors. I tried it myself and it seemed slooooooooooow. Is
> it me or is it something else?

It seems to be our server at nsrca.org, where the current system
resides.

When we have consolidated everything into one databased and moved
all operations to nsrca.us, then we can (we hope) get a better
response time for the downloads.

					Marty

From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Tue Jan 26 16:59:49 2010
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 01:59:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
In-Reply-To: <106C83F7-CB17-48D7-B6B7-D967CABC436A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPEEEHFBAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>

Ron If you are still having a problem open the Thyme Calendar on the NSRCA
site and click on the Phoenix contest (2-20-2010). Clicking on his name
starts an e-mail to him.
I was thinking about going but haven't flown pattern for about 5 months and
will probably pass on it this year.
Jim Hiller

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:47 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address

What is a good e-mail address for Rusty Fried?  I have tried e-
mailing him several times at completemarine02 at gmail.com since the
first of the month and never get a response.

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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Jan 26 17:18:17 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 02:18:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
In-Reply-To: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPEEEHFBAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>
References: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPEEEHFBAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4BD8ED72-F618-4FD6-A78B-F358E5362788@cox.net>

Thanks.  The e-mail address that comes up on the Phoenix contest is  
the one I used.  If anyone talks to Rusty, please ask him to e-mail  
me.  Thanks.

Ron Van Putte

On Jan 26, 2010, at 7:59 PM, J N Hiller wrote:

> Ron If you are still having a problem open the Thyme Calendar on  
> the NSRCA
> site and click on the Phoenix contest (2-20-2010). Clicking on his  
> name
> starts an e-mail to him.
> I was thinking about going but haven't flown pattern for about 5  
> months and
> will probably pass on it this year.
> Jim Hiller
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron  
> Van Putte
> Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:47 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Rusty Fried's E-Mail Address
>
> What is a good e-mail address for Rusty Fried?  I have tried e-
> mailing him several times at completemarine02 at gmail.com since the
> first of the month and never get a response.
>
> Ron Van Putte
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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 27 05:56:59 2010
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:56:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
Message-ID: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>


I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
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From ejhaury at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 06:02:23 2010
From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:02:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8D7E5094A3A84A7CB451185D42682321@EarlPC>

John

West side of Houston - Scobee Memorial Field is first class (paved - power - modern restrooms) with center poles @ 150m and box lines. No club membership required, just AMA. 

Earl
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Konneker 
  To: Discussion List 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:56 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break


  I have an off the wall question for the list.
  I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
  couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
  When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
  Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
  OK...enough of John's pity party.
  I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
  for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
  in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
  then something to last me until spring.
  Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
  Thanks!
  JLK



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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Wed Jan 27 06:04:03 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:04:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
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FIJI...  But forget the planes....lol

Seriously, I think there are more than a few of us that would be up for the same type of trip.  Maybe we need a Pattern Practice vacation that more than a few could attend?  Not sure who's field would be open to the invasion though...

-Mark

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |  www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:57 AM
To: Discussion List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 06:06:38 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:06:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
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 Yep, Apopka, FL, northeast of Orlando.  RCACF's field is there, several pattern flyers (Jason, Dave Stoddart, Humberto Pomales, Steve Homenda, Mike Constantine, Orlando Frets), decent field, and a wild hobby shop (Graves RC) not far away.  My Dad is also out there almost every day it is decent.   Field is good, people friendly. Contact a member beforehand, and they should be able to give you a pass to fly at the field for a week for free.

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com>
To: Discussion List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 8:56 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break


I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK
                       =
 
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From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 06:09:39 2010
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:09:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <003601ca9f62$bc15d800$34418800$@com>

Head west, John. Fitzsimmons has a huge house to accommodate everyone!  LOL

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:57 AM
To: Discussion List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

 

I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do
there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going
south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole
up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first
half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK

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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 06:14:18 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:14:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <8D7E5094A3A84A7CB451185D42682321@EarlPC>
References: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
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In northeast FLA, there is Gateway RC field that is public...no membership required. About 20 mi northwest of Jacksonville, it is a great flying site, paved runway, pits and taxi ways, with a large pavilion and full facilities, power and phone service. It has a bunch of motels and restaurants nearby since it is around 10 miles away from the JaxPort. It also is only 25 miles or so from the Atlantic. Historic StAugustine is 60 miles south.

And if you like to golf, (yeah, I know, why take time away from flying?) this is golf Mecca. The World Golf Village is about 45 miles to the south on the way to St. Augustine (or Daytona, take your pick). There are probably 70 courses to choose from

WAS my home field for 17 years....sigh!!! Then the job yanked me away to Nu Joisey....but I am going back to retire

MattK






-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:01 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break


John
 
West side of Houston - Scobee Memorial Field is first class (paved - power - modern restrooms) with center poles @ 150m and box lines. No club membership required, just AMA. 
 
Earl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: John Konneker 
To: Discussion List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:56 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break


I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK


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NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

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From nsrcapilot at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 06:58:31 2010
From: nsrcapilot at gmail.com (Jim Houck)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:58:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <381bf2de1001270758j1995f0dei9f9e73ece7dab0cf@mail.gmail.com>

Austin, Texas
Hill Country AeroModelers
http://www.hcamonline.org/
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=slaughter+lane,+austin,+tx&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.080837,74.619141&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Slaughter+Ln,+Austin,+Travis,+Texas+78748&ll=30.167336,-97.804756&spn=0.012634,0.018218&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A



On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM, John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  I have an off the wall question for the list.
> I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably
> couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
> When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do
> there.
> Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
> OK...enough of John's pity party.
> I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going
> south
> for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole
> up
> in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first
> half of winter
> then something to last me until spring.
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
> Thanks!
> JLK
>
> _______________________________________________
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From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 27 07:35:18 2010
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:35:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E743482C@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPCEEMFBAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>

Hang out with a bunch of pattern fliers for a week. I'm up for that.
My wife and I would like a week or so in mid winter where it's warm but I'm
not a tourist and need something to do. The new F-150 is quite comfortable
with XM radio and has plenty of room for luggage and toys. My schedule is
flexible and Phoenix is an easy two day drive (about 1500 mi), unless I'm in
a snow storm half way. The only way out of the northwest without driving
through mountains is unacceptable.
How far will another day get me?
Jim Hiller
Spokane WA

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:04 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

FIJI.  But forget the planes..lol

Seriously, I think there are more than a few of us that would be up for the
same type of trip.  Maybe we need a Pattern Practice vacation that more than
a few could attend?  Not sure who's field would be open to the invasion
though.

-Mark

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com <mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>   |
www.paragon-inc.com <http://www.paragon-inc.com/>

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:57 AM
To: Discussion List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do
there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going
south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole
up
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first
half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK
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From drmikedds at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan 27 07:40:53 2010
From: drmikedds at sbcglobal.net (Dr Mike)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:40:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <381bf2de1001270758j1995f0dei9f9e73ece7dab0cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
	<381bf2de1001270758j1995f0dei9f9e73ece7dab0cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003b01ca9f6f$7a2ac510$6e804f30$@net>

I flew a few times in Pheonix, AZ in the winter and it was fantastic.  They
have several clubs and wide open spaces.  

Mike 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jim Houck
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:58 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

 

Austin, Texas
Hill Country AeroModelers 
http://www.hcamonline.org/
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q
<http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=slaughter+lane,
+austin,+tx&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.080837,74.619141&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnea
r=Slaughter+Ln,+Austin,+Travis,+Texas+78748&ll=30.167336,-97.804756&spn=0.01
2634,0.018218&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A>
&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=slaughter+lane,+austin,+tx&sll=37.0625,-95.6770
68&sspn=47.080837,74.619141&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Slaughter+Ln,+Austin,+Travis,+
Texas+78748&ll=30.167336,-97.804756&spn=0.012634,0.018218&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A




On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM, John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com> wrote:

I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do
there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going
south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole
up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first
half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK


_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion





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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 07:43:28 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:43:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
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	<BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>

What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com
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From dunnaway at hbcomm.net  Wed Jan 27 07:51:18 2010
From: dunnaway at hbcomm.net (Joe Dunnaway)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:51:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony>	<BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
	<AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
Message-ID: <4B606F0C.9060702@hbcomm.net>

Malwarebytes anti malware.   
If you can't download it, let me know and I'll send it to you.

Joe Dunnaway


J Shu wrote:
> What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? 
> I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and 
> won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This 
> is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com <http://www.shulmanaviation.com>
> www.composite-arf.com <http://www.composite-arf.com>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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>
>
> No virus found in this incoming message.
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 07:52:42 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:52:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony><BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
	<AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
Message-ID: <8CC6D883417CD7B-3160-1182E@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com>


 Do this, copied from the net from a site I trust.  I've used these programs.  To boot in Safemode with networking, repeatedly hit the F8 key while the computer is rebooting:

"Download, install, update and scan with the 2 Programs below.
If the infection won't let to do that in Normal Mode(download, etc), do 
everything in "Safe Mode with Networking".
All info below.

http://www.spybot.info/en/index.html

Spybot Search & Destroy is a very good, FREE Anti-Spyware Program.
Download, install, update, and immunize your System with it.
Then SCAN with it.
Update it, and scan your System once a fortnight.

http://www.malwarebytes.org/mbam.php

Malwarebytes is as the name says, a Malware Remover!
For the Free version scroll down their page to either download from 
Download.com, or Major Geeks.com

Download, install, and update. 

Important re: Safe Mode
If you happen to find a problem that you can???t uninstall / delete, reboot 
the computer, and go into Safe Mode.
To get into Safe mode, tap F8 right at Power On / Startup, and use UP arrow 
key to get to Safe Mode from list of options, then hit ENTER.
RESCAN your computer with your Anti-Virus, Malwarebytes and Spybot S & D 
while in Safe Mode.

If unable to install above Programs in Normal Mode:
Sometimes Trojans, Viruses, Malware, etc stop you installing and/or updating 
Programs to remove them.
If that happens, reboot into Safe Mode with Networking (from F8 list of 
Startup Options), and install, update and scan from there. "

I'm now using Microsoft Security Essentials (MSE) on my computer, free from Microsoft. Combines anti-virus and anti-malware into a single product.  Just Google it to download.  It updates every day.

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: J Shu <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 10:43 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com
 
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From larryfield35 at msn.com  Wed Jan 27 07:55:18 2010
From: larryfield35 at msn.com (LARRY R FIELD)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:55:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony><BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
	<AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony><BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl>
	<AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
Message-ID: <BLU136-DS127CCA44CBD1249FEBED2D55D0@phx.gbl>

Jason, I had a similar problem last week.  I used "Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware" (Free on the Web), which eliminated 90% of the problem then I was able to use Symantic Antivirus to get rid of the last 10%.  It took several hour to get back to normal.
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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Jan 27 08:23:27 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:23:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 08:28:50 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:28:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
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Buy an iMac.


On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:43 AM, J Shu wrote:

> What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(
> 
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 08:33:49 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:33:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
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 I was waiting on that response, but figured it would come from RVP!

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


Buy an iMac.




On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:43 AM, J Shu wrote:



What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 08:46:33 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:46:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
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Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Jim


On Jan 27, 2010, at 9:33 AM, Jon Lowe wrote:

> I was waiting on that response, but figured it would come from RVP!
> 
> Jon Lowe
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28 am
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
> 
> Buy an iMac.
> 
> 
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:43 AM, J Shu wrote:
> 
>> What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Jan 27 08:49:39 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:49:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <A28159E0-F9DD-45EC-9811-4A9D6D68BEB0@socal.rr.com>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony>
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Jim - You are nasty!  But the PC guys will mumble things about that  
there's not enough Macs out there to be worth producing viruses,  
malware, etc. for them.

Parallel Desktops enable Mac users to run PC programs too, with no  
virus problems.

Ron Van Putte
Mac G4/MacBook Pro User


On Jan 27, 2010, at 11:28 AM, James Oddino wrote:

> Buy an iMac.
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:43 AM, J Shu wrote:
>
>> What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my  
>> computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus  
>> catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a  
>> way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother  
>> WR jet flight :(
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 08:58:39 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:58:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony><BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl><AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC><A28159E0-F9DD-45EC-9811-4A9D6D68BEB0@socal.rr.com>
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All the Mac guys are having little apple parties for the big announcement today.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jon Lowe 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


  I was waiting on that response, but figured it would come from RVP!



  Jon Lowe




  -----Original Message-----
  From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com>
  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28 am
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


  Buy an iMac. 




  On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:43 AM, J Shu wrote:


    What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(

    Regards,
    Jason
    www.shulmanaviation.com
    www.composite-arf.com
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From lld613 at psci.net  Wed Jan 27 09:43:38 2010
From: lld613 at psci.net (lld613)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:43:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
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What is the actual symptom of the virus/malware you are seeing? A common one I see and get to attempt to fix often on my kids pc is a spoof 2009 anti virus window that continues to pop up and it eventually won't allow you access to the internet. It is a Trojan Virus considered harmful....

If this is the problem it is a tough one. I have successfully?used Norton 360 to identify it. But it has to be manually removed. Eventually it wrapped itself around a Windows file and when norton quaranteened it, windows crashed and it was a start from scratch recovery with everything lost.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:43:16 -0500, J Shu wrote
> What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :( 
> 
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> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Wed Jan 27 09:51:26 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:51:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
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DING DING DING!!!!!

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |  www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:58 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts

All the Mac guys are having little apple parties for the big announcement today.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jon Lowe<mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts

I was waiting on that response, but figured it would come from RVP!

Jon Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com<mailto:joddino at socal.rr.com>>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
Buy an iMac.


On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:43 AM, J Shu wrote:


What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com<http://www.shulmanaviation.com>
www.composite-arf.com<http://www.composite-arf.com>
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 10:03:17 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:03:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony><BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl><AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC><A28159E0-F9DD-45EC-9811-4A9D6D68BEB0@socal.rr.com><8CC6D8DF305D8DB-3160-12559@webmail-m067.sysops.aol.com><4F2BCAEF35E74DAC953A0DF035AA7BB4@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com>
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What do I get for a prize? 
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Atwood, Mark 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


  DING DING DING!!!!!

   

  Mark Atwood

  Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President

  5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 

  Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102

  mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com

   

  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:58 PM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts

   

  All the Mac guys are having little apple parties for the big announcement today.

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Jon Lowe 

    To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 

    Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:33 PM

    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts

     

    I was waiting on that response, but figured it would come from RVP!

     

    Jon Lowe

     

     

    -----Original Message-----
    From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com>
    To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
    Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28 am
    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts

    Buy an iMac. 

     

     

    On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:43 AM, J Shu wrote:





    What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(


    Regards,
    Jason
    www.shulmanaviation.com
    www.composite-arf.com

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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Wed Jan 27 10:07:28 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:07:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512A5@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

I'll email you from a new iPad. 
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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What do I get for a prize? 

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	From: Atwood, Mark <mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>  
	To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
	Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:51 PM
	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


	DING DING DING!!!!!

	 

	Mark Atwood

	Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President

	5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 

	Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102

	mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com

	 

	From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky
	Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:58 PM
	To: General pattern discussion
	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts

	 

	All the Mac guys are having little apple parties for the big announcement today.

		----- Original Message ----- 

		From: Jon Lowe <mailto:jonlowe at aol.com>  

		To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 

		Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:33 PM

		Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts

		 

		I was waiting on that response, but figured it would come from RVP!

		 

		Jon Lowe

		 

		 

		-----Original Message-----
		From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com>
		To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
		Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 11:28 am
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		Buy an iMac. 

		 

		 

		On Jan 27, 2010, at 8:43 AM, J Shu wrote:

		
		
		

		What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(

		
		Regards,
		Jason
		www.shulmanaviation.com
		www.composite-arf.com

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From trexlesh at msn.com  Wed Jan 27 10:54:01 2010
From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:54:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU106-W5B5F3DAA56713BB496908CD5D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BAY119-W49EE34156CEFEEB99DF655CC5D0@phx.gbl>


We'll keep the light on for ya!!!

 

R
 


From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break



I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
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From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Abdullah)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:40:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
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I have been dying to do this very thing. We are actually thinking about doing a little D4?migration south for a long weekend (short week) of pattern flying. I think someone mentioned Nashville, TN as possible destination but my memory is a little fuzzy. It was in response to my original question; how many hours south do I have to drive to get to decent weather for a few solid days of pattern flying. From Northeastern Ohio we?figured a good 10-11 hours should get you to about 70 degrees depending on the time of year.??

If someone is planning such a trip I would love to pack up and join the caravan!

Anthony


________________________________
From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
To: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 2:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

We'll keep the light on for ya!!!
?
R
?
________________________________
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.? That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.? I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.? Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK
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From scott at rcfoamy.com  Wed Jan 27 11:44:07 2010
From: scott at rcfoamy.com (scott anderson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:44:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <261110.21075.qm@web82102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <7F57FE95C35E4FD980E95EF45EA1A1BC@ScottPC>

Nashville and Knoxville still cold... to get snow over the weekend..

Scott Anderson - Knoxville TN
www.classicpatternassociation.com
www.classic-patternrc.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anthony Abdullah 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:40 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break


  I have been dying to do this very thing. We are actually thinking about doing a little D4 migration south for a long weekend (short week) of pattern flying. I think someone mentioned Nashville, TN as possible destination but my memory is a little fuzzy. It was in response to my original question; how many hours south do I have to drive to get to decent weather for a few solid days of pattern flying. From Northeastern Ohio we figured a good 10-11 hours should get you to about 70 degrees depending on the time of year.  

  If someone is planning such a trip I would love to pack up and join the caravan!

  Anthony


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  From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
  To: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 2:53:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

  We'll keep the light on for ya!!!
   
  R
   

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  From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

  I have an off the wall question for the list.
  I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
  couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
  When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
  Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
  OK...enough of John's pity party.
  I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
  for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
  in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
  then something to last me until spring.
  Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
  Thanks!
  JLK



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From jonlowe at aol.com  Wed Jan 27 11:59:19 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:59:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
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 I live 90 miles south of Nashville in Huntsville, AL  So far this year I've had 6 flyable days, and I've flown on five. Today is one, but it will only reach 50 degrees.  Nashville is usually 5 or so degrees colder.  Snow is predicted here later this week. Weather here is uncertain at best.  You need to get to at least the panhandle of Florida to have anything you can count on this time of year.  

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Abdullah <aabdu at sbcglobal.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2010 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break



I have been dying to do this very thing. We are actually thinking about doing a little D4 migration south for a long weekend (short week) of pattern flying. I think someone mentioned Nashville, TN as possible destination but my memory is a little fuzzy. It was in response to my original question; how many hours south do I have to drive to get to decent weather for a few solid days of pattern flying. From Northeastern Ohio we figured a good 10-11 hours should get you to about 70 degrees depending on the time of year.  

If someone is planning such a trip I would love to pack up and join the caravan!
 
Anthony


From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
To: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 2:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

We'll keep the light on for ya!!!
 
R
 

From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK


 
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From ojfrets at earthlink.net  Wed Jan 27 13:18:01 2010
From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO  FRETS)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:18:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
In-Reply-To: <261110.21075.qm@web82102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I am sure my club RCACF will be willing to work something out with you
folks; such as a seven day pass at no cost. We frequently do so for others.
Can be easily accomplished with ample notification. As Jon L said the field
is nice and getting better. However, the crosswind can get a bit testy at
times as some of you may know or have heard. I am sure the pattern community
at RCACF will welcome you.
In addition, there is Sea World, Disney, Universal Studios and many other
attractions one can go. Including some nit clubs for the younger set.
 

Orlando Frets

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony
Abdullah
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:40 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

I have been dying to do this very thing. We are actually thinking about
doing a little D4 migration south for a long weekend (short week) of pattern
flying. I think someone mentioned Nashville, TN as possible destination but
my memory is a little fuzzy. It was in response to my original question; how
many hours south do I have to drive to get to decent weather for a few solid
days of pattern flying. From Northeastern Ohio we figured a good 10-11 hours
should get you to about 70 degrees depending on the time of year.  

If someone is planning such a trip I would love to pack up and join the
caravan!
 
Anthony

________________________________

From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
To: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 2:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

We'll keep the light on for ya!!!
 
R
 

________________________________

From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break

I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably couldn't live
in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do
there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going
south for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club,
hole up in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the
first half of winter then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK



From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 13:27:33 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:27:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <20100127183856.M22327@psci.net>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony><BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl><AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
	<20100127183856.M22327@psci.net>
Message-ID: <345F2FB0560D4DEE985DF51FEA75A35C@UncleJasPC>

Trend is catching all the Trojans, but 'Windows Defender' keeps popping up and I never activated it. I can't download any malware programs nor my Windows update. I can tell everything is much slower to boot up now too.

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: lld613 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


  What is the actual symptom of the virus/malware you are seeing? A common one I see and get to attempt to fix often on my kids pc is a spoof 2009 anti virus window that continues to pop up and it eventually won't allow you access to the internet. It is a Trojan Virus considered harmful....

  If this is the problem it is a tough one. I have successfully used Norton 360 to identify it. But it has to be manually removed. Eventually it wrapped itself around a Windows file and when norton quaranteened it, windows crashed and it was a start from scratch recovery with everything lost.

  On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:43:16 -0500, J Shu wrote 
  > What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :( 
  > 
  > Regards, 
  > Jason 
  > www.shulmanaviation.com 
  > www.composite-arf.com 






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From trexlesh at msn.com  Wed Jan 27 13:34:54 2010
From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 22:34:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <345F2FB0560D4DEE985DF51FEA75A35C@UncleJasPC>
References: <E0F5D7B6713C4334BAC6023D4402FC7A@Tony><BAY119-W27D84D938F74B314341868CC630@phx.gbl><AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>,
	<20100127183856.M22327@psci.net>,
	<345F2FB0560D4DEE985DF51FEA75A35C@UncleJasPC>
Message-ID: <BAY119-W3752F719C7B149ED2586F8CC5D0@phx.gbl>


Windows Defender hates competition... I had to turn it off to use my spyware. The puter didn't even want to work with it turned on!  I am using Trend antivirus and Webroot Spy Sweeper.... 

 

Rex
 


From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:26:06 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts




Trend is catching all the Trojans, but 'Windows Defender' keeps popping up and I never activated it. I can't download any malware programs nor my Windows update. I can tell everything is much slower to boot up now too.

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: lld613 
To: General pattern discussion 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


What is the actual symptom of the virus/malware you are seeing? A common one I see and get to attempt to fix often on my kids pc is a spoof 2009 anti virus window that continues to pop up and it eventually won't allow you access to the internet. It is a Trojan Virus considered harmful....

If this is the problem it is a tough one. I have successfully used Norton 360 to identify it. But it has to be manually removed. Eventually it wrapped itself around a Windows file and when norton quaranteened it, windows crashed and it was a start from scratch recovery with everything lost.

On Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:43:16 -0500, J Shu wrote 
> What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :( 
> 
> Regards, 
> Jason 
> www.shulmanaviation.com 
> www.composite-arf.com 








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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 14:28:32 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:28:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
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You better go well south of Nashville until at least late March...

At 03:40 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote:
>I have been dying to do this very thing. We are actually thinking 
>about doing a little D4 migration south for a long weekend (short 
>week) of pattern flying. I think someone mentioned Nashville, TN as 
>possible destination but my memory is a little fuzzy. It was in 
>response to my original question; how many hours south do I have to 
>drive to get to decent weather for a few solid days of pattern 
>flying. From Northeastern Ohio we figured a good 10-11 hours should 
>get you to about 70 degrees depending on the time of year.
>If someone is planning such a trip I would love to pack up and join 
>the caravan!
>
>Anthony
>
>From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
>To: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 2:53:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
>
>We'll keep the light on for ya!!!
>
>R
>
>
>----------
>From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
>
>I have an off the wall question for the list.
>I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably
>couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
>When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
>Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
>OK...enough of John's pity party.
>I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next 
>winter, going south
>for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a 
>club, hole up
>in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the 
>first half of winter
>then something to last me until spring.
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
>Thanks!
>JLK
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

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        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 27 14:37:26 2010
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:37:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
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	<BAY119-W49EE34156CEFEEB99DF655CC5D0@phx.gbl>,
	<261110.21075.qm@web82102.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU106-W146CCFAA57AEB8338B79F8CD5D0@phx.gbl>


Hey Anthony,
Off list...
I got some great suggestions.
Orlando is 1200 miles for me...that's a stretch.
Houston area is right at 1000.
The thing is my sister lives in the Dallas area.  700 something miles from here.
I could non-stop that.  Spend the night there and then drive on down to the coast.
I really never paid much attention to the weather in Austin although, as you probably know, it's
a nice place.
I've lived all over the place but consider Texas home even though I moved away in 1987...33 years ago!
Yikes!
My parents are gone now and only my sister remains there.
Funny about the winter.  I spent the last two years of high school in the mountains...doesn't matter where
but learned (had!) to ski.  When I came back to go to college I was on the National Ski Patrol a couple years...
I was a lot littler then!  I loved the winter...hated the summer and couldn't wait for snow.
Now...
JLK

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:13 -0800
From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break



I have been dying to do this very thing. We are actually thinking about doing a little D4 migration south for a long weekend (short week) of pattern flying. I think someone mentioned Nashville, TN as possible destination but my memory is a little fuzzy. It was in response to my original question; how many hours south do I have to drive to get to decent weather for a few solid days of pattern flying. From Northeastern Ohio we figured a good 10-11 hours should get you to about 70 degrees depending on the time of year.  

If someone is planning such a trip I would love to pack up and join the caravan!
 
Anthony



From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
To: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 2:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break



We'll keep the light on for ya!!!
 
R
 


From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break



I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK
 		 	   		  
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From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Wed Jan 27 14:38:35 2010
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:38:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
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Ooops!
I guess that wasn't off list after all!
And it's 23 years not 33!!!!
I told you guys it was getting to me!
:-)
JLK

From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:37:24 -0600
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break








Hey Anthony,
Off list...
I got some great suggestions.
Orlando is 1200 miles for me...that's a stretch.
Houston area is right at 1000.
The thing is my sister lives in the Dallas area.  700 something miles from here.
I could non-stop that.  Spend the night there and then drive on down to the coast.
I really never paid much attention to the weather in Austin although, as you probably know, it's
a nice place.
I've lived all over the place but consider Texas home even though I moved away in 1987...33 years ago!
Yikes!
My parents are gone now and only my sister remains there.
Funny about the winter.  I spent the last two years of high school in the mountains...doesn't matter where
but learned (had!) to ski.  When I came back to go to college I was on the National Ski Patrol a couple years...
I was a lot littler then!  I loved the winter...hated the summer and couldn't wait for snow.
Now...
JLK

Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:13 -0800
From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break



I have been dying to do this very thing. We are actually thinking about doing a little D4 migration south for a long weekend (short week) of pattern flying. I think someone mentioned Nashville, TN as possible destination but my memory is a little fuzzy. It was in response to my original question; how many hours south do I have to drive to get to decent weather for a few solid days of pattern flying. From Northeastern Ohio we figured a good 10-11 hours should get you to about 70 degrees depending on the time of year.  

If someone is planning such a trip I would love to pack up and join the caravan!
 
Anthony



From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
To: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 2:53:59 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break



We'll keep the light on for ya!!!
 
R
 


From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break



I have an off the wall question for the list.
I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably 
couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
OK...enough of John's pity party.
I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, going south
for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, hole up 
in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the first half of winter
then something to last me until spring.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
Thanks!
JLK
 		 	   		  
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 14:56:00 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:56:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
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I was gonna say, John, we moved to Oak Ridge, TN, in 1987, and it's 
only been 23 years for us!!!  I thought maybe time went slower here 
in the "Deep South"...lol

At 06:38 PM 1/27/2010, you wrote:
>Ooops!
>I guess that wasn't off list after all!
>And it's 23 years not 33!!!!
>I told you guys it was getting to me!
>:-)
>JLK
>
>
>----------
>From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:37:24 -0600
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
>
>Hey Anthony,
>Off list...
>I got some great suggestions.
>Orlando is 1200 miles for me...that's a stretch.
>Houston area is right at 1000.
>The thing is my sister lives in the Dallas area.  700 something 
>miles from here.
>I could non-stop that.  Spend the night there and then drive on down 
>to the coast.
>I really never paid much attention to the weather in Austin 
>although, as you probably know, it's
>a nice place.
>I've lived all over the place but consider Texas home even though I 
>moved away in 1987...33 years ago!
>Yikes!
>My parents are gone now and only my sister remains there.
>Funny about the winter.  I spent the last two years of high school 
>in the mountains...doesn't matter where
>but learned (had!) to ski.  When I came back to go to college I was 
>on the National Ski Patrol a couple years...
>I was a lot littler then!  I loved the winter...hated the summer and 
>couldn't wait for snow.
>Now...
>JLK
>
>
>----------
>Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 12:40:13 -0800
>From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
>
>I have been dying to do this very thing. We are actually thinking 
>about doing a little D4 migration south for a long weekend (short 
>week) of pattern flying. I think someone mentioned Nashville, TN as 
>possible destination but my memory is a little fuzzy. It was in 
>response to my original question; how many hours south do I have to 
>drive to get to decent weather for a few solid days of pattern 
>flying. From Northeastern Ohio we figured a good 10-11 hours should 
>get you to about 70 degrees depending on the time of year.
>If someone is planning such a trip I would love to pack up and join 
>the caravan!
>
>Anthony
>
>From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com>
>To: NSRCA-discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 2:53:59 PM
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
>
>We'll keep the light on for ya!!!
>
>R
>
>
>----------
>From: jlkonn at hotmail.com
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 08:56:56 -0600
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
>
>I have an off the wall question for the list.
>I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably
>couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
>When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to do there.
>Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
>OK...enough of John's pity party.
>I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next 
>winter, going south
>for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a 
>club, hole up
>in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the 
>first half of winter
>then something to last me until spring.
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
>Thanks!
>JLK
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

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From wgalligan at att.net  Wed Jan 27 16:14:04 2010
From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:14:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
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Jason,

Try the Vipre antivirus and spyware software by Sunbelt Software.  You can download the program for a 30 day free trial and buy it if you like it.   I had a bad virus from Facebook and it got rid of of it.  I ended up buying it and putting on all three of my computers.  Price is reasonable too.

 Good luck,

Wayne Galligan


---- Original Message ----- 

  From: J Shu 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:43 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts


  What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(

  Regards,
  Jason
  www.shulmanaviation.com
  www.composite-arf.com


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From seefo at san.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 16:30:52 2010
From: seefo at san.rr.com (seefo at san.rr.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:30:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <893A149D3C1F467297D55B0A20D61E79@WaynePC>
Message-ID: <20100128013050.JQN3N.10247.root@hrndva-web04-z01>

Jason,

Whatever route you decide to go with, use a different computer to create a floppy/CD recovery disk for the anti-virus software, and boot from that disc. Most virii will not allow an infected computer to clean itself these days. This is your best bet, ESPECIALLY if it was one of these self-promoting apps which alerts you by saying "You are infected with a virus, click here to clean it", which then actually INSTALLS the malware. These sorts of things are the worst to fix honestly.

-Doug



---- Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net> wrote: 
> Jason,
> 
> Try the Vipre antivirus and spyware software by Sunbelt Software.  You can download the program for a 30 day free trial and buy it if you like it.   I had a bad virus from Facebook and it got rid of of it.  I ended up buying it and putting on all three of my computers.  Price is reasonable too.
> 
>  Good luck,
> 
> Wayne Galligan
> 
> 
> ---- Original Message ----- 
> 
>   From: J Shu 
>   To: General pattern discussion 
>   Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:43 AM
>   Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
> 
> 
>   What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(
> 
>   Regards,
>   Jason
>   www.shulmanaviation.com
>   www.composite-arf.com
> 
> 
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From simestd at netexpress.com  Wed Jan 27 16:43:56 2010
From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 01:43:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OT: virus / malware - was: computer experts
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On Thu, 28 Jan 2010 1:30:50 +0000, seefo at san.rr.com wrote:
> Jason,
> 
> Whatever route you decide to go with, use a different computer to 
> create a floppy/CD recovery disk for the anti-virus software, and 
> boot from that disc. Most virii will not allow an infected computer 
> to clean itself these days. This is your best bet, ESPECIALLY if it 
> was one of these self-promoting apps which alerts you by saying "You 
> are infected with a virus, click here to clean it", which then 
> actually INSTALLS the malware. These sorts of things are the worst to 
> fix honestly.
> 
> -Doug

This is one area where complacency can be a big problem.  If you think 
you are safe and have taken appropriate measures have a look at this 
topical link from the ZDNet Security blog:

http://tinyurl.com/ycfgs4l

In a nutshell, 48% of us are wrong about how secure our computers are.  
Now go update that software ;)

Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Wed Jan 27 17:02:40 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:02:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
In-Reply-To: <AEBADCFC10AB41148CB36B9A0CD36787@UncleJasPC>
Message-ID: <E69CDA341A454FBC98775E6BA223000E@toshibauser>

Jason, I just had this happen to me at work.  If it is a virus then most
anti-virus programs will detect it and it normally can be removed.  If it is
malware then anti-virus programs are not very good at detecting them.
Anti-malware programs can detect and remove them but that does not always
fix the problem.  In my case I had a malware program that was re-directing
my internet searches.  For example, when I searched for NSCRA, internet
explorer or google would produce numerous search results.  When I clicked on
the correct search result it would re-direct me to somewhere other than the
NSRCA website.  It took several different anti-malware programs before I
found one that would detect it.  Once I found the name of the malware I
contacted my anti-virus company (NOD32 or ESET) with removing it.  That did
not fix the problem.  Next at the suggestion of my IT guy I switched from
internet explorer to Firefox.  That did not fix the problem.  The only
remaining solution was to re-install my operating system.  Your malware may
be different than mine but as I understand it my experience on the
effectiveness of anti-virus programs and removing malware is pretty typical.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Ron

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J Shu
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:43 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts

 

What's the best program to clean a virus/malware out of my computer? I've
tried to download a few but it seems the virus catches them and won't let
them open. Am I screwed or is there a way to fix this. This is what I get
for trying to watch my brother WR jet flight :(


Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From schale at optonline.net  Wed Jan 27 17:06:28 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:06:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] computer experts
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Wed Jan 27 17:32:02 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:32:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
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I would vote for Phoenix where I used to live. Go in February, practice 
for a week and then fly in the Sun Valley Flyers contest. Would be two 
hard days on the road from Eastern Iowa. It is, of course, also another 
golf mecca.
There are plenty of reasons not to live in Phoenix but the flying 
weather in February is not on the list.

John

Dr Mike wrote:
>
> I flew a few times in Pheonix, AZ in the winter and it was fantastic.  
> They have several clubs and wide open spaces. 
>
> Mike
>
>  
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Jim Houck
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 27, 2010 9:58 AM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Winter break
>
>  
>
> Austin, Texas
> Hill Country AeroModelers
> http://www.hcamonline.org/
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=slaughter+lane,+austin,+tx&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.080837,74.619141&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Slaughter+Ln,+Austin,+Travis,+Texas+78748&ll=30.167336,-97.804756&spn=0.012634,0.018218&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A 
> <http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=slaughter+lane,+austin,+tx&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.080837,74.619141&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Slaughter+Ln,+Austin,+Travis,+Texas+78748&ll=30.167336,-97.804756&spn=0.012634,0.018218&t=h&z=16&iwloc=A>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:56 AM, John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com 
> <mailto:jlkonn at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I have an off the wall question for the list.
> I'm not a winter weather person.  That being said I probably
> couldn't live in a worst place but you have to go where the job is.
> When we lived in Lincoln it wasn't so bad since there was so much to 
> do there.
> Since moving to Iowa 5 years ago it's been a different story.
> OK...enough of John's pity party.
> I've come up with an idea.  I'm thinking about, starting next winter, 
> going south
> for 5 - 7 days.  Somewhere I can get a week long membership in a club, 
> hole up
> in a Motel 6 and fly for a week... Something to look forward to the 
> first half of winter
> then something to last me until spring.
> Does anyone have any suggestions as to where?
> Thanks!
> JLK
>
>
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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Thu Jan 28 06:29:15 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:29:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98284A@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

I'm working on a pair of Genesis' for next season. In the past, most of
my airplanes have been wood, and while I have some experience with
composite airframes, I'm far from being an expert. I'm ready to put in
the firewalls, and I'd like some suggestions as to what the best
material will be for this. I'd like to keep the weight down (don't we
all), and was wondering if laminated carbon/balsa panels such as those
available at the Composites Store
(http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_sandwich_panel.html)  are worth it,
difficult to work with, etc. Also, do panels like this require some
special reinforcement where the bolts go through? Special epoxies for
adhering to the fuse, etc.? Or should I just be using aircraft grade
plywood?

 

Any suggestions would be great.

 

Tim Pascoe

 

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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 06:45:31 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:45:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
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I have made very light and strong firewall material by laminating 1/64 plywood on both sides of 1/4" end grain balsa using polyurethane glue.  Add 3/32" balsa disks where you need a blind nut.  This system has worked very well in my now 4 season old Temptation with a YS160DZ/Hyde mount. It also offers a wide gluing surface to attach the firewall to the inside of the fuselage.

You have to use a lot of weight to hold everything together while the polyurethane cures.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca> wrote:

> From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 10:29 AM
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>  
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> I?m
> working on a pair of Genesis? for next
> season. In the past, most of my airplanes have been wood,
> and while I have some
> experience with composite airframes, I?m far from
> being an expert. I?m
> ready to put in the firewalls, and I?d like some
> suggestions as to what
> the best material will be for this. I?d like to keep
> the weight down (don?t
> we all), and was wondering if laminated carbon/balsa panels
> such as those
> available at the Composites Store (http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_sandwich_panel.html)
> ?are worth it, difficult to work with, etc. Also, do
> panels like this
> require some special reinforcement where the bolts go
> through? Special epoxies
> for adhering to the fuse, etc.? Or should I just be using
> aircraft grade
> plywood? 
> 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Any suggestions
> would be great. 
> 
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> Tim
> Pascoe 
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 06:48:33 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:48:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
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Tim,

You can build up cross grained balsa and carbon firewalls your self. It's easy.

Aircraft ply. 1/8", will weight almost double what a carbon balsa laminate will at 5/16" thickness.

Ed Alt discussed this technique some time ago in the KFactor. We first built up his firewall shape in cross grained light balsa and installed as many hardpoints as needed for the mount...hard points are simple maple blocks (lighter) or aircrfat ply squares (heavier), maybe 3/8" square. It requires some prep as you can see.

Lamination is straightforward. I use 3K carbon cloth, 1 layer each side, and epoxy such as ProSet, West Systems or the newest discovery JGreer, which is half the cost of the others. The assembly is inserted in a vacuum bag such as a Food Saver, and closed up. I place it on a flat surface and use a 10 lb weight on it to keep it flat.The vacuum is great because, besides the fact that you get the best contact possible between the layers, it draws epoxy into the grain and really stiffens the structure. Nonteless, before insertion into the bag, I use paper towels to remove as much of the excess as practical. You can't remove too much.

I think Ed said the weight of his Integral FW was around 40 grams. I am using the same type in my new design that has a rather large FW, and is designed for a gasoline engine. I took weights of the light ply FW I removed from my fuse and the new Carbon/balsa. Original weighed around 85 grams, and new 42grams.

MattK






-----Original Message-----
From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:29 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material



I?m working on a pair of Genesis? for next season. In the past, most of my airplanes have been wood, and while I have some experience with composite airframes, I?m far from being an expert. I?m ready to put in the firewalls, and I?d like some suggestions as to what the best material will be for this. I?d like to keep the weight down (don?t we all), and was wondering if laminated carbon/balsa panels such as those available at the Composites Store (http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_sandwich_panel.html)  are worth it, difficult to work with, etc. Also, do panels like this require some special reinforcement where the bolts go through? Special epoxies for adhering to the fuse, etc.? Or should I just be using aircraft grade plywood?
 
Any suggestions would be great.
 
Tim Pascoe
 


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From jnhiller at earthlink.net  Thu Jan 28 07:32:13 2010
From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:32:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98284A@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
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Tim unless absolute lightest weight is a factor a simple balsa-ply laminate
as bob describes works very well, low cost, simple and made from readily
available material.
I first started doing this 25 years ago usually on large scale airplanes
where I wanted more rigidity and flatness than 1/4" aircraft ply offered as
well as a wider edge for gluing. I've used end grain balsa but feel it isn't
worth the trouble if end grain hard points are inserted where bolts pass
through, which requires a little prior planning. I generally use dowel
(poplar if I can find it) for hard points because it's easy to cut a round
hole through the balsa sheet core with a sharpened brass tube, although
spruce block would work as well. Internal hard points give the blind nut
points something to lock into eliminating the need for an external backer or
reinforcement. I believe the balsa sheet is actually better than an end
grain balsa core when thin surface material is used as it offers better
support against dimpling under stress. I just used slow set epoxy for
laminating, clamping the 'sandwich' between two pieces of 3/4" plywood or
weight it down on the workbench.
I don't have a paint booth so I still build wood airplanes and use iron on
paint.
Jim Hiller



-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
[Burlington]
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:29 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material

I'm working on a pair of Genesis' for next season. In the past, most of my
airplanes have been wood, and while I have some experience with composite
airframes, I'm far from being an expert. I'm ready to put in the firewalls,
and I'd like some suggestions as to what the best material will be for this.
I'd like to keep the weight down (don't we all), and was wondering if
laminated carbon/balsa panels such as those available at the Composites
Store ( http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_sandwich_panel.html)  are worth it,
difficult to work with, etc. Also, do panels like this require some special
reinforcement where the bolts go through? Special epoxies for adhering to
the fuse, etc.? Or should I just be using aircraft grade plywood?

Any suggestions would be great.

Tim Pascoe

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From vanputte at cox.net  Thu Jan 28 08:06:41 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:06:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
Message-ID: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net>

I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close  
quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a  
lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have  
more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.

It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that  
was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably  
smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent  
the idea?

Ron Van Putte.

From getterflash at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 28 09:30:23 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:30:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
In-Reply-To: <HDEBJEADHEDJKKHHCEKPCEFIFBAA.jnhiller@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <835822.50121.qm@web113320.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I will add the reason I used polyurethane glue is it expands to fill all the voids.  End grain balsa will suck up a lot of epoxy or aphilatic resin. The resulting structure is very strong, light, and "low tech".

In my case, the Hyde mount spread the load out enough on the front side of the firewall so no extra reinforcement was necessary.  I added 3/32 plywood disks approx 5/8" diameter to act as a hard points for the blind nuts. These were simply glued to the 1/64 plywood on the backside of the firewall. 



Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Thu, 1/28/10, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:

> From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 11:32 AM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> Tim unless
> absolute lightest weight is a factor a simple balsa-ply
> laminate as bob
> describes works very well, low cost, simple and made from
> readily available material. 
> 
> I first
> started doing this 25 years ago usually on large scale
> airplanes where I wanted
> more rigidity and flatness than 1/4" aircraft ply
> offered as well as a
> wider edge for gluing. I've used end grain balsa but
> feel it isn't worth the
> trouble if end grain hard points are inserted where bolts
> pass through, which
> requires a little prior planning. I generally use dowel
> (poplar if I can find
> it) for hard points because it's easy to cut a round
> hole through the balsa
> sheet core with a sharpened brass tube, although spruce
> block would work as
> well. Internal hard points give the blind nut points
> something to lock into
> eliminating the need for an external backer or
> reinforcement. I believe the
> balsa sheet is actually better than an end grain balsa core
> when thin surface
> material is used as it offers better support against
> dimpling under stress. I
> just used slow set epoxy for laminating, clamping the
> 'sandwich' between two pieces
> of 3/4" plywood or weight it down on the
> workbench. 
> 
> I don't
> have a paint booth so I still build wood airplanes and use
> iron on paint. 
> 
> Jim Hiller
>  
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> ?
> 
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> 
> 
> -----Original
> Message-----
> 
> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of
> Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]
> 
> Sent:
> Thursday, January 28, 2010
> 7:29 AM
> 
> To: General
> pattern discussion
> 
> Subject:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
> Firewall Material
> 
> ? 
> 
> I?m
> working on a pair of Genesis? for next season. In the
> past, most of my
> airplanes have been wood, and while I have some experience
> with composite
> airframes, I?m far from being an expert. I?m
> ready to put in the firewalls, and
> I?d like some suggestions as to what the best
> material will be for this. I?d
> like to keep the weight down (don?t we all), and was
> wondering if laminated
> carbon/balsa panels such as those available at the
> Composites Store (http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_sandwich_panel.html)
> ?are worth it, difficult to work with, etc. Also, do
> panels like this
> require some special reinforcement where the bolts go
> through? Special epoxies
> for adhering to the fuse, etc.? Or should I just be using
> aircraft grade
> plywood?
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> Any
> suggestions would be great.
> 
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> Tim
> Pascoe 
> 
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From ed.lyerly at nctv.com  Thu Jan 28 09:35:58 2010
From: ed.lyerly at nctv.com (Ed Lyerly)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:35:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
In-Reply-To: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net>
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net>
Message-ID: <002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$@lyerly@nctv.com>

Ron,

This might work for you.

http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE,7979.html

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?

I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close  
quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a  
lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have  
more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.

It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that  
was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably  
smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent  
the idea?

Ron Van Putte.
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
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http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion



From vanputte at cox.net  Thu Jan 28 10:17:06 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:17:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
In-Reply-To: <002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$@lyerly@nctv.com>
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net>
	<002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$@lyerly@nctv.com>
Message-ID: <7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net>

That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent me  
this url: http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/electric_saw.htm

They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed them  
for purchasing information.

Ron

On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:

> Ron,
>
> This might work for you.
>
> http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE, 
> 7979.html
>
> Ed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron  
> Van Putte
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>
> I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close
> quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a
> lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have
> more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.
>
> It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that
> was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably
> smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent
> the idea?
>
> Ron Van Putte.
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From schale at optonline.net  Thu Jan 28 10:39:28 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:39:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
In-Reply-To: <7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net>
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net>
	<002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$%lyerly@nctv.com>
	<7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4B61E7E2.2040804@optonline.net>

That one looks much smaller.  But being a veterinary product the price 
may be high.
Let us know what you find out.
Stuart

Ron Van Putte wrote:
> That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent me 
> this url: http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/electric_saw.htm
>
> They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed them 
> for purchasing information.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:
>
>> Ron,
>>
>> This might work for you.
>>
>> http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE,7979.html
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron 
>> Van Putte
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>
>> I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close
>> quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a
>> lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have
>> more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.
>>
>> It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that
>> was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably
>> smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent
>> the idea?
>>
>> Ron Van Putte.
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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>


From vanputte at cox.net  Thu Jan 28 10:53:01 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:53:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
In-Reply-To: <4B61E7E2.2040804@optonline.net>
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net>
	<002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$%lyerly@nctv.com>
	<7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net>
	<4B61E7E2.2040804@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <2A5848BF-C964-4106-8CB0-18133331820B@cox.net>

I will let everyone know, whether they're interested or not. <VBG>

I am really surprised that a maker of power tools for modelers hasn't  
put one on the market already.

Ron

On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> That one looks much smaller.  But being a veterinary product the  
> price may be high.
> Let us know what you find out.
> Stuart
>
> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>> That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent  
>> me this url: http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/ 
>> electric_saw.htm
>>
>> They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed  
>> them for purchasing information.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:
>>
>>> Ron,
>>>
>>> This might work for you.
>>>
>>> http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE, 
>>> 7979.html
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
>>> Ron Van Putte
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>>
>>> I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close
>>> quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a
>>> lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have
>>> more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.
>>>
>>> It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that
>>> was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably
>>> smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent
>>> the idea?
>>>
>>> Ron Van Putte.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From schale at optonline.net  Thu Jan 28 10:57:50 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:57:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
In-Reply-To: <2A5848BF-C964-4106-8CB0-18133331820B@cox.net>
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net>
	<002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$%lyerly@nctv.com>
	<7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net>
	<4B61E7E2.2040804@optonline.net>
	<2A5848BF-C964-4106-8CB0-18133331820B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4B61EC33.1020208@optonline.net>

The "new" tool in woodworking is a vibrating multi use tool (not that 
use)  Cuts, sands etc.  Here is Fein's version 
http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/main/
The cutting part is cool.  Just hold the saw edge to the area to cut and 
it plunges in.  No reciprocating saw blades or rotary wheels to make the 
tool go flying.  Works like a cast saw that your orthopedist would use.
Stuart

Ron Van Putte wrote:
> I will let everyone know, whether they're interested or not. <VBG>
>
> I am really surprised that a maker of power tools for modelers hasn't 
> put one on the market already.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>> That one looks much smaller.  But being a veterinary product the 
>> price may be high.
>> Let us know what you find out.
>> Stuart
>>
>> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>> That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent 
>>> me this url: http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/electric_saw.htm
>>>
>>> They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed them 
>>> for purchasing information.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron,
>>>>
>>>> This might work for you.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE,7979.html 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron 
>>>> Van Putte
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>>>
>>>> I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close
>>>> quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a
>>>> lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have
>>>> more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that
>>>> was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably
>>>> smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent
>>>> the idea?
>>>>
>>>> Ron Van Putte.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>>
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From flyintexan at att.net  Thu Jan 28 11:48:59 2010
From: flyintexan at att.net (Mark Hunt)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:48:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net><002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$%lyerly@nctv.com><7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net><4B61E7E2.2040804@optonline.net><2A5848BF-C964-4106-8CB0-18133331820B@cox.net>
	<4B61EC33.1020208@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <9C0EDD980728488D9B28456533F4804D@MARK>

I'm on the extreme north side of Houston, so I'm looking for anyone in the 
South Houston/Alvin area that might be able to help a fellow get back into 
pattern.........see below....


Mark,
>
> My wife and I moved to Houston (Alvin
> actually) in the middle of 2009 for work.  I flew pattern back in the 90's
> for a few year in Baton Rouge.  I am looking at picking it up again. I was
> wondering if you may be able to direct me to some field in the Houston
> (Alvin) area that may have a few pattern flyers.  It is hard getting back,
> all the equipment has changed.  It is also helpful to have someone to ask
> questions and critic your pattern. Any help or suggestions you may have
> would be helpful.
>




From pacrchobbies89 at bellsouth.net  Thu Jan 28 11:57:03 2010
From: pacrchobbies89 at bellsouth.net (pacrchobbies89 at bellsouth.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 20:57:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help
Message-ID: <012820102057.16043.4B61FA1B000EE05000003EAB22230647029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC7C89C0A070D0D01080C9D0C0E9F@att.net>

Howdy:

Do any of you Texas members know if Mark Hambelton of DCU, in Wylie, TX is still in business?

Thanks.

Maureen Dunphy
--
PAC R/C Hobbies 
215 S. Lowry Street 
Smyrna, TN 37167 
Phone: 615-220-0655 
Fax: 615-220-0637 
www:pac-rc.com
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From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net  Thu Jan 28 12:01:14 2010
From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:01:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....
In-Reply-To: <9C0EDD980728488D9B28456533F4804D@MARK>
Message-ID: <20100128150110.AUT7X.3643175.root@Web03>

Mark,

You're probably closer than I am, but I'll offer any help I can...what is his name btw.

G
---- Mark Hunt <flyintexan at att.net> wrote: 

=============
I'm on the extreme north side of Houston, so I'm looking for anyone in the 
South Houston/Alvin area that might be able to help a fellow get back into 
pattern.........see below....


Mark,
>
> My wife and I moved to Houston (Alvin
> actually) in the middle of 2009 for work.  I flew pattern back in the 90's
> for a few year in Baton Rouge.  I am looking at picking it up again. I was
> wondering if you may be able to direct me to some field in the Houston
> (Alvin) area that may have a few pattern flyers.  It is hard getting back,
> all the equipment has changed.  It is also helpful to have someone to ask
> questions and critic your pattern. Any help or suggestions you may have
> would be helpful.
>



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From ejhaury at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 12:51:51 2010
From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:51:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....
In-Reply-To: <9C0EDD980728488D9B28456533F4804D@MARK>
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net><002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$%lyerly@nctv.com><7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net><4B61E7E2.2040804@optonline.net><2A5848BF-C964-4106-8CB0-18133331820B@cox.net><4B61EC33.1020208@optonline.net>
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Mark

Probably the closest pattern active field is Fort Bend in Rosenberg, which 
is about an hour from Alvin. Andre, Henry, and I (sometimes) fly there. 
You're welcome to forward my email to him. (ejhaury at comcast.net)

Earl

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Hunt" <flyintexan at att.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:49 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....


> I'm on the extreme north side of Houston, so I'm looking for anyone in the 
> South Houston/Alvin area that might be able to help a fellow get back into 
> pattern.........see below....
>
>
> Mark,
>>
>> My wife and I moved to Houston (Alvin
>> actually) in the middle of 2009 for work.  I flew pattern back in the 
>> 90's
>> for a few year in Baton Rouge.  I am looking at picking it up again. I 
>> was
>> wondering if you may be able to direct me to some field in the Houston
>> (Alvin) area that may have a few pattern flyers.  It is hard getting 
>> back,
>> all the equipment has changed.  It is also helpful to have someone to ask
>> questions and critic your pattern. Any help or suggestions you may have
>> would be helpful.
>>
>
>
>
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Thu Jan 28 16:02:34 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:02:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....
In-Reply-To: <239DDF5C1CBE486AB3BA9700AE942450@EarlPC>
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net><002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$%lyerly@nctv.com><7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net><4B61E7E2.2040804@optonline.net><2A5848BF-C964-4106-8CB0-18133331820B@cox.net><4B61EC33.1020208@optonline.net><9C0EDD980728488D9B28456533F4804D@MARK>
	<239DDF5C1CBE486AB3BA9700AE942450@EarlPC>
Message-ID: <8CC6E95D000D000-17B8-448E@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>


Earl,

IsTx City long dead? If I remember, it wasreasonably close to Alvin, I think

Matt






-----Original Message-----
From: Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:51 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....


Mark 
 
Probably the closest pattern active field is Fort Bend in Rosenberg, which is about an hour from Alvin. Andre, Henry, and I (sometimes) fly there. You're welcome to forward my email to him. (ejhaury at comcast.net) 
 
Earl 
 
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt" <flyintexan at att.net> 
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:49 PM 
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request..... 
 
> I'm on the extreme north side of Houston, so I'm looking for anyone in the > South Houston/Alvin area that might be able to help a fellow get back into > pattern.........see below.... 
> 
> 
> Mark, 
>> 
>> My wife and I moved to Houston (Alvin 
>> actually) in the middle of 2009 for work. I flew pattern back in the >> 90's 
>> for a few year in Baton Rouge. I am looking at picking it up again. I >> was 
>> wondering if you may be able to direct me to some field in the Houston 
>> (Alvin) area that may have a few pattern flyers. It is hard getting >> back, 
>> all the equipment has changed. It is also helpful to have someone to ask 
>> questions and critic your pattern. Any help or suggestions you may have 
>> would be helpful. 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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From perkinsrx at centurytel.net  Thu Jan 28 16:35:50 2010
From: perkinsrx at centurytel.net (W. Eddie Batchelor)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:35:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
In-Reply-To: <4B61EC33.1020208@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <201001290135.o0T1ZlmZ015210@mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com>

Harbor Freight has a generic one "similar" to the $399 Fein Multimaster for
only $39.99
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=67256 

I have one - it is NOT a Fein but it costs $40 NOT $400  <VBG>


Also Sears has a copy  for $99 that's 12v (cordless)  This I haven't tried .
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00917438000P?vName=Tools&cName=Port
ablePowerTools&sName=All%20Cordless%20Power%20Tools&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20
070921x00003a 

As Stuart said they are very cool tools.  But large to get inside a fuse.
I expanded a closet into a spare bedroom and cut the crown molding to fit
without taking it down! With the Harbor Freight one.

Eddie

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:58 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?

The "new" tool in woodworking is a vibrating multi use tool (not that 
use)  Cuts, sands etc.  Here is Fein's version 
http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/main/
The cutting part is cool.  Just hold the saw edge to the area to cut and 
it plunges in.  No reciprocating saw blades or rotary wheels to make the 
tool go flying.  Works like a cast saw that your orthopedist would use.
Stuart

Ron Van Putte wrote:
> I will let everyone know, whether they're interested or not. <VBG>
>
> I am really surprised that a maker of power tools for modelers hasn't 
> put one on the market already.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>> That one looks much smaller.  But being a veterinary product the 
>> price may be high.
>> Let us know what you find out.
>> Stuart
>>
>> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>> That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent 
>>> me this url: http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/electric_saw.htm
>>>
>>> They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed them 
>>> for purchasing information.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron,
>>>>
>>>> This might work for you.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE,7979.html

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron 
>>>> Van Putte
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>>>
>>>> I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close
>>>> quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a
>>>> lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have
>>>> more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that
>>>> was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably
>>>> smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent
>>>> the idea?
>>>>
>>>> Ron Van Putte.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
>>
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From ed.lyerly at nctv.com  Thu Jan 28 16:55:30 2010
From: ed.lyerly at nctv.com (Ed Lyerly)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 01:55:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
In-Reply-To: <201001290135.o0T1ZlmZ015210@mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com>
References: <4B61EC33.1020208@optonline.net>
	<201001290135.o0T1ZlmZ015210@mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com>
Message-ID: <000001caa086$20279fd0$6076df70$@lyerly@nctv.com>

IMHO ..... this is not going to fit in a fuselage.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of W. Eddie
Batchelor
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:36 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?

Harbor Freight has a generic one "similar" to the $399 Fein Multimaster for
only $39.99
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=67256 

I have one - it is NOT a Fein but it costs $40 NOT $400  <VBG>


Also Sears has a copy  for $99 that's 12v (cordless)  This I haven't tried .
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00917438000P?vName=Tools&cName=Port
ablePowerTools&sName=All%20Cordless%20Power%20Tools&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20
070921x00003a 

As Stuart said they are very cool tools.  But large to get inside a fuse.
I expanded a closet into a spare bedroom and cut the crown molding to fit
without taking it down! With the Harbor Freight one.

Eddie

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:58 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?

The "new" tool in woodworking is a vibrating multi use tool (not that 
use)  Cuts, sands etc.  Here is Fein's version 
http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/main/
The cutting part is cool.  Just hold the saw edge to the area to cut and 
it plunges in.  No reciprocating saw blades or rotary wheels to make the 
tool go flying.  Works like a cast saw that your orthopedist would use.
Stuart

Ron Van Putte wrote:
> I will let everyone know, whether they're interested or not. <VBG>
>
> I am really surprised that a maker of power tools for modelers hasn't 
> put one on the market already.
>
> Ron
>
> On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>> That one looks much smaller.  But being a veterinary product the 
>> price may be high.
>> Let us know what you find out.
>> Stuart
>>
>> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>> That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent 
>>> me this url: http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/electric_saw.htm
>>>
>>> They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed them 
>>> for purchasing information.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ron,
>>>>
>>>> This might work for you.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE,7979.html

>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron 
>>>> Van Putte
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>>>
>>>> I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close
>>>> quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a
>>>> lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have
>>>> more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.
>>>>
>>>> It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that
>>>> was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably
>>>> smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent
>>>> the idea?
>>>>
>>>> Ron Van Putte.
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>
>>>
>>
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From ejhaury at comcast.net  Thu Jan 28 17:02:45 2010
From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:02:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....
In-Reply-To: <8CC6E95D000D000-17B8-448E@webmail-d020.sysops.aol.com>
References: <85584C73-CC2B-4552-885E-875554828CEF@cox.net><002f01caa048$ba1eca70$2e5c5f50$%lyerly@nctv.com><7F8B7335-F739-4A6C-B3A6-EDAB6B835840@cox.net><4B61E7E2.2040804@optonline.net><2A5848BF-C964-4106-8CB0-18133331820B@cox.net><4B61EC33.1020208@optonline.net><9C0EDD980728488D9B28456533F4804D@MARK><239DDF5C1CBE486AB3BA9700AE942450@EarlPC>
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Message-ID: <C917D4726186424586CD6F775190BC57@EarlPC>

Matt

TCRC is still active and a nice grass field (2 runways). I'm not aware of any pattern activity there though. Alvin R/C has a nice field with a paved runway that's likely this person's best choice for a home field, but again no pattern activity. So, FBRC is likely the closest for pattern contacts.

Earl
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 7:02 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....


  Earl,

  IsTx City long dead? If I remember, it wasreasonably close to Alvin, I think

  Matt





  -----Original Message-----
  From: Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
  To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
  Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 4:51 pm
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request.....


  Mark 
   
  Probably the closest pattern active field is Fort Bend in Rosenberg, which is about an hour from Alvin. Andre, Henry, and I (sometimes) fly there. You're welcome to forward my email to him. (ejhaury at comcast.net) 
   
  Earl 
   
  ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Hunt" <flyintexan at att.net> 
  To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
  Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 2:49 PM 
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] District 6 request..... 
   
  > I'm on the extreme north side of Houston, so I'm looking for anyone in the > South Houston/Alvin area that might be able to help a fellow get back into > pattern.........see below.... 
  > 
  > 
  > Mark, 
  >> 
  >> My wife and I moved to Houston (Alvin 
  >> actually) in the middle of 2009 for work. I flew pattern back in the >> 90's 
  >> for a few year in Baton Rouge. I am looking at picking it up again. I >> was 
  >> wondering if you may be able to direct me to some field in the Houston 
  >> (Alvin) area that may have a few pattern flyers. It is hard getting >> back, 
  >> all the equipment has changed. It is also helpful to have someone to ask 
  >> questions and critic your pattern. Any help or suggestions you may have 
  >> would be helpful. 
  >> 
  > 
  > 
  > 
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From schale at optonline.net  Thu Jan 28 18:13:05 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 03:13:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
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From perkinsrx at centurytel.net  Thu Jan 28 19:44:45 2010
From: perkinsrx at centurytel.net (Eddie Batchelor P.D.)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 04:44:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
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References: <4B61EC33.1020208@optonline.net><201001290135.o0T1ZlmZ015210@mail962c35.nsolutionszone.com><000001caa086$20279fd0$6076df70$%lyerly@nctv.com>
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But they are Very Cool tools. Once you use one you'll not want to be without it.
We just have tofigure out how to use them in modeling :-)
Next time I have much carving/sanding to do I may give it a try.
Eddie
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart Chale 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:12 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?


  I didn't suggest that this was the one to use in a fuse, just the way it cuts would make a lot of sense for modelers.

  Ed Lyerly wrote: 
IMHO ..... this is not going to fit in a fuselage.

Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of W. Eddie
Batchelor
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:36 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?

Harbor Freight has a generic one "similar" to the $399 Fein Multimaster for
only $39.99
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=67256 

I have one - it is NOT a Fein but it costs $40 NOT $400  <VBG>


Also Sears has a copy  for $99 that's 12v (cordless)  This I haven't tried .
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00917438000P?vName=Tools&cName=Port
ablePowerTools&sName=All%20Cordless%20Power%20Tools&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20
070921x00003a 

As Stuart said they are very cool tools.  But large to get inside a fuse.
I expanded a closet into a spare bedroom and cut the crown molding to fit
without taking it down! With the Harbor Freight one.

Eddie

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:58 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?

The "new" tool in woodworking is a vibrating multi use tool (not that 
use)  Cuts, sands etc.  Here is Fein's version 
http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/main/
The cutting part is cool.  Just hold the saw edge to the area to cut and 
it plunges in.  No reciprocating saw blades or rotary wheels to make the 
tool go flying.  Works like a cast saw that your orthopedist would use.
Stuart

Ron Van Putte wrote:
  I will let everyone know, whether they're interested or not. <VBG>

I am really surprised that a maker of power tools for modelers hasn't 
put one on the market already.

Ron

On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

    That one looks much smaller.  But being a veterinary product the 
price may be high.
Let us know what you find out.
Stuart

Ron Van Putte wrote:
      That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent 
me this url: http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/electric_saw.htm

They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed them 
for purchasing information.

Ron

On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:

        Ron,

This might work for you.

http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE,7979.html
          
  Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron 
Van Putte
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?

I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close
quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a
lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have
more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.

It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that
was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably
smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent
the idea?

Ron Van Putte.
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Jan 29 06:07:35 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ronald Van Putte)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:07:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
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I got to thinking about it, and I've got a small bread cutting  
electric knife that would work if I can figure out how to grip a saw  
blade with it.  The only drawback is that it's a 110 volt system  
rather than cordless, but it's a good weight, size, configuration  
(cuts axially) and it was inexpensive.

Ron

On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Eddie Batchelor P.D. wrote:

> But they are Very Cool tools. Once you use one you'll not want to  
> be without it.
> We just have tofigure out how to use them in modeling :-)
> Next time I have much carving/sanding to do I may give it a try.
> Eddie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Stuart Chale
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>
> I didn't suggest that this was the one to use in a fuse, just the  
> way it cuts would make a lot of sense for modelers.
>
> Ed Lyerly wrote:
>>
>> IMHO ..... this is not going to fit in a fuselage.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of W.  
>> Eddie
>> Batchelor
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:36 PM
>> To: 'General pattern discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>
>> Harbor Freight has a generic one "similar" to the $399 Fein  
>> Multimaster for
>> only $39.99
>> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf? 
>> Itemnumber=67256
>>
>> I have one - it is NOT a Fein but it costs $40 NOT $400  <VBG>
>>
>>
>> Also Sears has a copy  for $99 that's 12v (cordless)  This I  
>> haven't tried .
>> http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00917438000P? 
>> vName=Tools&cName=Port
>> ablePowerTools&sName=All%20Cordless%20Power% 
>> 20Tools&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20
>> 070921x00003a
>>
>> As Stuart said they are very cool tools.  But large to get inside  
>> a fuse.
>> I expanded a closet into a spare bedroom and cut the crown molding  
>> to fit
>> without taking it down! With the Harbor Freight one.
>>
>> Eddie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
>> Stuart Chale
>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:58 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>
>> The "new" tool in woodworking is a vibrating multi use tool (not that
>> use)  Cuts, sands etc.  Here is Fein's version
>> http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/main/
>> The cutting part is cool.  Just hold the saw edge to the area to  
>> cut and
>> it plunges in.  No reciprocating saw blades or rotary wheels to  
>> make the
>> tool go flying.  Works like a cast saw that your orthopedist would  
>> use.
>> Stuart
>>
>> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>
>>> I will let everyone know, whether they're interested or not. <VBG>
>>>
>>> I am really surprised that a maker of power tools for modelers  
>>> hasn't
>>> put one on the market already.
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> That one looks much smaller.  But being a veterinary product the
>>>> price may be high.
>>>> Let us know what you find out.
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>> Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent
>>>>> me this url: http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/ 
>>>>> electric_saw.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed  
>>>>> them
>>>>> for purchasing information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This might work for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE, 
>>>>>> 7979.html
>>>>>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> Van Putte
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
>>>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some  
>>>>>> close
>>>>>> quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws  
>>>>>> leave a
>>>>>> lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you  
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw  
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool,  
>>>>>> preferably
>>>>>> smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just  
>>>>>> invent
>>>>>> the idea?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ron Van Putte.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 07:33:52 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:33:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
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Duct Tape, Ron...lol

Duct Tape is like The Force -- it has a dark side and a light side, 
and it holds the Universe together...

At 10:07 AM 1/29/2010, you wrote:
>I got to thinking about it, and I've got a small bread cutting 
>electric knife that would work if I can figure out how to grip a saw 
>blade with it.  The only drawback is that it's a 110 volt system 
>rather than cordless, but it's a good weight, size, configuration 
>(cuts axially) and it was inexpensive.
>
>Ron
>
>On Jan 28, 2010, at 10:44 PM, Eddie Batchelor P.D. wrote:
>
>>But they are Very Cool tools. Once you use one you'll not want to 
>>be without it.
>>We just have tofigure out how to use them in modeling :-)
>>Next time I have much carving/sanding to do I may give it a try.
>>Eddie
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: <mailto:schale at optonline.net>Stuart Chale
>>To: <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>General pattern discussion
>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 9:12 PM
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>
>>I didn't suggest that this was the one to use in a fuse, just the 
>>way it cuts would make a lot of sense for modelers.
>>
>>Ed Lyerly wrote:
>>>
>>>IMHO ..... this is not going to fit in a fuselage.
>>>
>>>
>>>Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>From: 
>>><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>
>>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of W. Eddie
>>>
>>>Batchelor
>>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:36 PM
>>>
>>>To: 'General pattern discussion'
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>>
>>>
>>>Harbor Freight has a generic one "similar" to the $399 Fein Multimaster for
>>>
>>>only $39.99
>>>
>>><http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=67256>http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=67256 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I have one - it is NOT a Fein but it costs $40 NOT $400  <VBG>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Also Sears has a copy  for $99 that's 12v (cordless)  This I haven't tried .
>>>
>>><http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00917438000P?vName=Tools&cName=Port>http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00917438000P?vName=Tools&cName=Port
>>>
>>>ablePowerTools&sName=All%20Cordless%20Power%20Tools&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20
>>>
>>>070921x00003a
>>>
>>>
>>>As Stuart said they are very cool tools.  But large to get inside a fuse.
>>>
>>>I expanded a closet into a spare bedroom and cut the crown molding to fit
>>>
>>>without taking it down! With the Harbor Freight one.
>>>
>>>
>>>Eddie
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>From: 
>>><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>
>>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
>>>
>>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 1:58 PM
>>>
>>>To: General pattern discussion
>>>
>>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>>
>>>
>>>The "new" tool in woodworking is a vibrating multi use tool (not that
>>>
>>>use)  Cuts, sands etc.  Here is Fein's version
>>>
>>><http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/main/>http://www.fein.de/fein-multimaster/us/en/main/
>>>
>>>The cutting part is cool.  Just hold the saw edge to the area to cut and
>>>
>>>it plunges in.  No reciprocating saw blades or rotary wheels to make the
>>>
>>>tool go flying.  Works like a cast saw that your orthopedist would use.
>>>
>>>Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>I will let everyone know, whether they're interested or not. <VBG>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I am really surprised that a maker of power tools for modelers hasn't
>>>>
>>>>put one on the market already.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On Jan 28, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That one looks much smaller.  But being a veterinary product the
>>>>>
>>>>>price may be high.
>>>>>
>>>>>Let us know what you find out.
>>>>>
>>>>>Stuart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That looks promising.  Thanks, I'll look into it.  Jerry Voth sent
>>>>>>
>>>>>>me this url: 
>>>>>><http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/electric_saw.htm>http://www.slocumenterprises.com/Products/electric_saw.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They have 110 volt AC and battery powered versions.  I e-mailed them
>>>>>>
>>>>>>for purchasing information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ron
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Jan 28, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Ed Lyerly wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ron,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This might work for you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE,7979.html>http://www.micromark.com/ELECTRO-FILE-ELECTRIC-FILING-MACHINE,7979.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From: 
>>>>>>><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Van Putte
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:09 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>To: General pattern discussion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Tool?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I've been having some problems doing some sawing work in some close
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>quarters lately, particularly inside fuselages.  Manual saws leave a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>lot to be desired and you can't do a very good job, unless you have
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>more dexterity and skill than I've been able to muster.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It would be great if there was a powered axial oscillating saw that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>was no bigger in diameter and length than a Dremel Tool, preferably
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>smaller and shorter.  Does such a tool exist, or did I just invent
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>the idea?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ron Van Putte.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Fri Jan 29 09:28:56 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:28:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: A BEAUTY a drop a of water
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I'm posting this because the speed is quite similar to what the DSS fliers enjoy with the 2.4 gig radios; quite an eye-opener, I think.  Interesting and artistic at the same time.

Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Charles McMurry 
To: 'Cathey Weldy Cline' 
Cc: 'Jim & Patti' ; 'Bill Glaze' 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:26 PM
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Watch the 2-minute video that shows a drop of water falling into a puddle
 at 2000 frames a second.  You will see something totally unexpected.
Although I have often seen film or video such as this, especially from
 "Doc" of M.I.T.,  it is the first time the physics of the event were
explained to me.

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From donramsey at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 13:58:32 2010
From: donramsey at gmail.com (Don Ramsey)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:58:32 -0000
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Anyone tried to download K-Factor lately?  I cannot download Nov or Dec.

 

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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Fri Jan 29 14:20:58 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:20:58 -0000
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I've had problems off and on for some time now; finally gave up and am getting the paper version.  Tried just the other day; no go.
Bill Glaze
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  Anyone tried to download K-Factor lately?  I cannot download Nov or Dec.

   

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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 23:38:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Kfactor download
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I wish I knew what was going on... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

We've built a new K-Factor download capability with the new site but we
can't open it up until we've converted all the users over to the new
system.  This one is so much better than the current version.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Don Ramsey <donramsey at gmail.com> wrote:

>  Anyone tried to download K-Factor lately?  I cannot download Nov or Dec.
>
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Fri Jan 29 15:21:46 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:21:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Kfactor download
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On 1/29/2010 5:58 PM, Don Ramsey wrote:

> Anyone tried to download K-Factor lately?  I cannot download Nov or Dec.

The files are available on nsrca.org.

Sometimes they download and sometimes they don't.

We have not been able to find a cause or cure.

				Marty

From trexlesh at msn.com  Fri Jan 29 16:10:02 2010
From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:10:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Kfactor download
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All across the nation, everyone is having problems.... the servers are not large enough and are getting bogged down.

Google just had an article in the local paper about having to install new regional servers to handle the load.  I'm 

guessing that's probably what's happening in this instance.  Most loading problems I have been having lately are coming in the prime time.....5pm to around 10pm every weekday.

 

Rex
 


Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:38:08 -0800
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Kfactor download


I wish I knew what was going on... sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
 
We've built a new K-Factor download capability with the new site but we can't open it up until we've converted all the users over to the new system.  This one is so much better than the current version.


On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Don Ramsey <donramsey at gmail.com> wrote:




Anyone tried to download K-Factor lately?  I cannot download Nov or Dec.
 
Don
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sat Jan 30 15:28:53 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:28:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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Hey guys. 7:19 PM East Coast time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some practice.  Join me for some on-line simulator practice.

>From the Phoenix RC simulator, go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO Online, Fill in the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit "sign in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join Session"

Joseph is buzzing around, but we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested this evening.  If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an on-line, live pattern contest.  What do you think?  

Regards,
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Sat Jan 30 15:54:22 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 00:54:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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Neat idea..too bad I don't have Phoenix.

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
tocdon at netscape.net
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:29 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

 


Hey guys. 7:19 PM East Coast time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
practice.  Join me for some on-line simulator practice.

 

>From the Phoenix RC simulator, go to multiplayer under pull down menu.
Select GO Online, Fill in the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize)
and hit "sign in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join Session"

 

Joseph is buzzing around, but we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is
interested this evening.  If there is interest we can do coaching sessions
or an on-line, live pattern contest.  What do you think?  

 

Regards,
Don

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From schale at optonline.net  Sat Jan 30 16:01:26 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 01:01:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sun Jan 31 06:57:44 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:57:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did some more checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although I don't have a recording device on this computer).  There is, however a chat capability which is really cool.  That way we can communicate with each other and other pilots that want to join.     Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and critiquing and see how it works.  
Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east coast time) tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a Phoenix flight simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up a "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy flying site.

Don






-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!


Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
Stuart

Pete Cosky wrote: 

Neat idea?.too bad I don?t have Phoenix.
 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of tocdon at netscape.net
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:29 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

 


Hey guys. 7:19 PM East Coast time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some practice.  Join me for some on-line simulator practice.

 

>From the Phoenix RC simulator, go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO Online, Fill in the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit "sign in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join Session"

 

Joseph is buzzing around, but we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested this evening.  If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an on-line, live pattern contest.  What do you think?  

 

Regards,
Don


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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 07:07:43 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:07:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AE@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

How much is the phoenix software??  This is really intriguing.  I'd be interested in feedback from those that are participating. 

-mark
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did some more checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although I don't have a recording device on this computer).  There is, however a chat capability which is really cool.  That way we can communicate with each other and other pilots that want to join.     Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and critiquing and see how it works.  
Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east coast time) tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a Phoenix flight simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up a "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy flying site.
 
Don




-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!


Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
Stuart

Pete Cosky wrote: 

	Neat idea?.too bad I don?t have Phoenix.
	 
	From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of tocdon at netscape.net
	Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:29 PM
	To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
	Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
	 
	
	Hey guys. 7:19 PM East Coast time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some practice.  Join me for some on-line simulator practice.
	 
	From the Phoenix RC simulator, go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO Online, Fill in the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit "sign in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join Session"
	 
	Joseph is buzzing around, but we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested this evening.  If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an on-line, live pattern contest.  What do you think?  
	 
	Regards,
	Don
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 07:12:39 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:12:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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Me too.? It is too cold to fly here and I am missing some flying..... 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

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To: " nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org" < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 

How much is the phoenix software?? ?This is really intriguing. ?I'd be interested in feedback from those that are participating. 

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Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 

This is really exciting; a new approach. ? I did some more checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although I don't have a recording device on this computer). ?There is, however a chat capability which is really cool. ?That way we can communicate with each other and other pilots that want to join. ? ? Lets try this out again- ?can take turns flying and critiquing and see how it works. ? 
Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM ?(east coast time) tonight (Sunday, 31 January). ?For those who have a Phoenix flight simulator and want to join, lets go for it. ?I set up a "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy flying site. 
? 
Don 




-----Original Message----- 
From: Stuart Chale < schale @ optonline .net> 
To: General pattern discussion < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 


Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either. 
Stuart 

Pete Cosky wrote: 

????????Neat idea?.too bad I don?t have Phoenix. 
???????? 
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????????Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:29 PM 
????????To: nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org 
????????Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
???????? 
???????? 
????????Hey guys. 7:19 PM East Coast time and its snowing. ?Who wants to get some practice. ?Join me for some on-line simulator practice. 
???????? 
????????From the Phoenix RC simulator, go to multiplayer under pull down menu. ?Select GO Online, Fill in the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit "sign in" select Connecticut Flying. ?Hit "Join Session" 
???????? 
????????Joseph is buzzing around, but we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested this evening. ?If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an on-line, live pattern contest. ?What do you think? ? 
???????? 
????????Regards, 
????????Don 
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 07:17:36 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:17:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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The timing is great -- I am considering a move 
from RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does 
Phoenix offer that RF 5 does not, and vice-versa???

At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>Me too.  It is too cold to fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>
>Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
>How much is the phoenix software??  This is 
>really intriguing.  I'd be interested in 
>feedback from those that are participating.
>
>-mark
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>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
><nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
>This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did 
>some more checking and it looks like there is a 
>voice chat (although I don't have a recording 
>device on this computer).  There is, however a 
>chat capability which is really cool.  That way 
>we can communicate with each other and other 
>pilots that want to join.     Lets try this out 
>again-  can take turns flying and critiquing and see how it works.
>Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 
>PM  (east coast time) tonight (Sunday, 31 
>January).  For those who have a Phoenix flight 
>simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I 
>set up a "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy flying site.
>
>Don
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
>
>Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>Stuart
>
>Pete Cosky wrote:
>
>         Neat idea
.too bbad I don???t have Phoenix.
>
>         From: 
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of tocdon at netscape.net
>         Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:29 PM
>         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
>
>         Hey guys. 7:19 PM East Coast time and 
> its snowing.  Who wants to get some 
> practice.  Join me for some on-line simulator practice.
>
>         From the Phoenix RC simulator, go to 
> multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO 
> Online, Fill in the Online Sign in (put a name 
> I can recognize) and hit "sign in" select 
> Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join Session"
>
>         Joseph is buzzing around, but we'll 
> move to pattern flying if anyone is interested 
> this evening.  If there is interest we can do 
> coaching sessions or an on-line, live pattern contest.  What do you think?
>
>         Regards,
>         Don
>         ________________________________
>
>
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From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 16:19:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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HAH!!!  I already see one advantage:  I already 
have a couplea JR 2.4 GHz Txs!!!  I'm ready to buy -- almost...

At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>Me too.  It is too cold to fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>
>Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
>How much is the phoenix software??  This is 
>really intriguing.  I'd be interested in 
>feedback from those that are participating.
>
>-mark
>--------------------------
>Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
><nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
>This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did 
>some more checking and it looks like there is a 
>voice chat (although I don't have a recording 
>device on this computer).  There is, however a 
>chat capability which is really cool.  That way 
>we can communicate with each other and other 
>pilots that want to join.     Lets try this out 
>again-  can take turns flying and critiquing and see how it works.
>Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 
>PM  (east coast time) tonight (Sunday, 31 
>January).  For those who have a Phoenix flight 
>simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I 
>set up a "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy flying site.
>
>Don
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
>
>Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>Stuart
>
>Pete Cosky wrote:
>
>         Neat idea
.too bbad I don???t have Phoenix.
>
>         From: 
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of tocdon at netscape.net
>         Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:29 PM
>         To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
>
>         Hey guys. 7:19 PM East Coast time and 
> its snowing.  Who wants to get some 
> practice.  Join me for some on-line simulator practice.
>
>         From the Phoenix RC simulator, go to 
> multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO 
> Online, Fill in the Online Sign in (put a name 
> I can recognize) and hit "sign in" select 
> Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join Session"
>
>         Joseph is buzzing around, but we'll 
> move to pattern flying if anyone is interested 
> this evening.  If there is interest we can do 
> coaching sessions or an on-line, live pattern contest.  What do you think?
>
>         Regards,
>         Don
>         ________________________________
>
>
>         _______________________________________________
>         NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>         NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>         http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
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>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 08:26:08 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:26:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <20100131161736.61CA611641@bridi.netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <371038.47288.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
 $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
 Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> 
>  
> The timing is great -- I am considering a
> move from
> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.? What does Phoenix
> offer that RF 5
> does not, and vice-versa???
> 
> 
> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> 
> Me too.?
> It is too cold to
> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Mark Atwood"
> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> 
> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada
> Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> How much is the phoenix software??? This is really
> intriguing.?
> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> participating.
> 
> 
> 
> -mark
> 
> --------------------------
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> This is really exciting; a new approach.?? I did
> some more
> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
> I don't have a
> recording device on this computer).? There is, however
> a chat
> capability which is really cool.? That way we can
> communicate with
> each other and other pilots that want to
> join.????
> Lets try this out again-? can take turns flying and
> critiquing and
> see how it works.? 
> 
> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM? (east
> coast time)
> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).? For those who have a
> Phoenix flight
> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.? I set up
> a
> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> flying
> site.
> 
> ?
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> Pete Cosky wrote: 
> 
> 
> ??????? Neat idea?.too
> bbad I don???t
> have Phoenix.
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [
> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of
> tocdon at netscape.net
> 
> ??????? Sent: Saturday,
> January 30,
> 2010 7:29 PM
> 
> ??????? To:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> ??????? Subject:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
> Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? 
> 
> ??????? Hey guys. 7:19
> PM East Coast
> time and its snowing.? Who wants to get some
> practice.? Join me
> for some on-line simulator practice.
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? From the Phoenix
> RC simulator,
> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.? Select GO
> Online, Fill in
> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
> "sign
> in" select Connecticut Flying.? Hit "Join
> Session"
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? Joseph is
> buzzing around, but
> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> this evening.?
> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
> on-line, live
> pattern contest.? What do you think?? 
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? Regards,
> 
> ??????? Don
> 
> ???????
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ???????
> _______________________________________________
> 
> ??????? NSRCA-discussion
> mailing
> list
> 
> ???????
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> ???????
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> ????????? 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>  
> -->
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> targets.
> 
> 
> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> 
> ?????? URL:
> 
> http://www.kcrctn.com
> 
> AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> 
> ????? My URL:
> 
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> 
> ????? (865) 435-1476 v?
> (865) 604-0541
> c  
> 
> 
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 08:29:08 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:29:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AF@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
 $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
 Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> 
>  
> The timing is great -- I am considering a
> move from
> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.? What does Phoenix
> offer that RF 5
> does not, and vice-versa???
> 
> 
> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> 
> Me too.?
> It is too cold to
> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Mark Atwood"
> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> 
> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada
> Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> How much is the phoenix software??? This is really
> intriguing.?
> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> participating.
> 
> 
> 
> -mark
> 
> --------------------------
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> This is really exciting; a new approach.?? I did
> some more
> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
> I don't have a
> recording device on this computer).? There is, however
> a chat
> capability which is really cool.? That way we can
> communicate with
> each other and other pilots that want to
> join.????
> Lets try this out again-? can take turns flying and
> critiquing and
> see how it works.? 
> 
> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM? (east
> coast time)
> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).? For those who have a
> Phoenix flight
> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.? I set up
> a
> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> flying
> site.
> 
> ?
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> Pete Cosky wrote: 
> 
> 
> ??????? Neat idea?.too
> bbad I don???t
> have Phoenix.
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [
> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of
> tocdon at netscape.net
> 
> ??????? Sent: Saturday,
> January 30,
> 2010 7:29 PM
> 
> ??????? To:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> ??????? Subject:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
> Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? 
> 
> ??????? Hey guys. 7:19
> PM East Coast
> time and its snowing.? Who wants to get some
> practice.? Join me
> for some on-line simulator practice.
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? From the Phoenix
> RC simulator,
> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.? Select GO
> Online, Fill in
> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
> "sign
> in" select Connecticut Flying.? Hit "Join
> Session"
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? Joseph is
> buzzing around, but
> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> this evening.?
> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
> on-line, live
> pattern contest.? What do you think?? 
> 
> ???????? 
> 
> ??????? Regards,
> 
> ??????? Don
> 
> ???????
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ???????
> _______________________________________________
> 
> ??????? NSRCA-discussion
> mailing
> list
> 
> ???????
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> ???????
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> ????????? 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>  
> -->
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> targets.
> 
> 
> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> 
> ?????? URL:
> 
> http://www.kcrctn.com
> 
> AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> 
> ????? My URL:
> 
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> 
> ????? (865) 435-1476 v?
> (865) 604-0541
> c  
> 
> 
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


      
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 08:33:41 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:33:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AF@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AF@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <00ba01caa29b$dd3b92e0$97b2b8a0$@net>

VM ware or parallels...

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
 $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
 Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> 
>  
> The timing is great -- I am considering a
> move from
> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
> offer that RF 5
> does not, and vice-versa???
> 
> 
> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> 
> Me too. 
> It is too cold to
> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Mark Atwood"
> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> 
> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada
> Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
> intriguing. 
> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> participating.
> 
> 
> 
> -mark
> 
> --------------------------
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
> some more
> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
> I don't have a
> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
> a chat
> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
> communicate with
> each other and other pilots that want to
> join.    
> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
> critiquing and
> see how it works.  
> 
> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
> coast time)
> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
> Phoenix flight
> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
> a
> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> flying
> site.
> 
>  
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> Pete Cosky wrote: 
> 
> 
>         Neat idea?.too
> bbad I don???t
> have Phoenix.
> 
>          
> 
>         From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [
> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of
> tocdon at netscape.net
> 
>         Sent: Saturday,
> January 30,
> 2010 7:29 PM
> 
>         To:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>         Subject:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
> Lets fly--- Now!
> 
>          
> 
>         
> 
>         Hey guys. 7:19
> PM East Coast
> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
> practice.  Join me
> for some on-line simulator practice.
> 
>          
> 
>         From the Phoenix
> RC simulator,
> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
> Online, Fill in
> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
> "sign
> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
> Session"
> 
>          
> 
>         Joseph is
> buzzing around, but
> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> this evening. 
> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
> on-line, live
> pattern contest.  What do you think?  
> 
>          
> 
>         Regards,
> 
>         Don
> 
>        
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
>        
> _______________________________________________
> 
>         NSRCA-discussion
> mailing
> list
> 
>        
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>        
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
>           
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>  
> -->
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> targets.
> 
> 
> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> 
>        URL:
> 
> http://www.kcrctn.com
> 
> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> 
>       My URL:
> 
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> 
>       (865) 435-1476 v 
> (865) 604-0541
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> 
> 
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From burtona at atmc.net  Sun Jan 31 08:37:06 2010
From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:37:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <371038.47288.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <20100131161736.61CA611641@bridi.netexpress.com>
	<371038.47288.qm@web51008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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Red Rocket doesn't have them in stock, Back order until Spring sometime??.
Common Sense RC seem to have in stock for about $111.00 shipped with promo code.
Dave Burton

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:26 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
 $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
 Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> 
>  
> The timing is great -- I am considering a
> move from
> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim. What does Phoenix
> offer that RF 5
> does not, and vice-versa???
> 
> 
> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> 
> Me too.
> It is too cold to
> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Mark Atwood"
> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> 
> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada
> Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> How much is the phoenix software?? This is really
> intriguing.
> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> participating.
> 
> 
> 
> -mark
> 
> --------------------------
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> This is really exciting; a new approach. I did
> some more
> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
> I don't have a
> recording device on this computer). There is, however
> a chat
> capability which is really cool. That way we can
> communicate with
> each other and other pilots that want to
> join.
> Lets try this out again- can take turns flying and
> critiquing and
> see how it works. 
> 
> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM (east
> coast time)
> tonight (Sunday, 31 January). For those who have a
> Phoenix flight
> simulator and want to join, lets go for it. I set up
> a
> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> flying
> site.
> 
> 
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> Pete Cosky wrote: 
> 
> 
>  Neat idea.too
> bbad I don?t
> have Phoenix.
> 
>  
> 
>  From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [
> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of
> tocdon at netscape.net
> 
>  Sent: Saturday,
> January 30,
> 2010 7:29 PM
> 
>  To:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>  Subject:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
> Lets fly--- Now!
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  Hey guys. 7:19
> PM East Coast
> time and its snowing. Who wants to get some
> practice. Join me
> for some on-line simulator practice.
> 
>  
> 
>  From the Phoenix
> RC simulator,
> go to multiplayer under pull down menu. Select GO
> Online, Fill in
> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
> "sign
> in" select Connecticut Flying. Hit "Join
> Session"
> 
>  
> 
>  Joseph is
> buzzing around, but
> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> this evening.
> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
> on-line, live
> pattern contest. What do you think? 
> 
>  
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Don
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
>  NSRCA-discussion
> mailing
> list
> 
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>  
> -->
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> targets.
> 
> 
> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> 
>  URL:
> 
> http://www.kcrctn.com
> 
> AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> 
>  My URL:
> 
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> 
>  (865) 435-1476 v
> (865) 604-0541
> c  
> 
> 
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From GAA at owt.com  Sun Jan 31 08:39:32 2010
From: GAA at owt.com (Gordon Anderson)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:39:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <00ba01caa29b$dd3b92e0$97b2b8a0$@net>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AF@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<00ba01caa29b$dd3b92e0$97b2b8a0$@net>
Message-ID: <4B65C050.2070200@owt.com>

I use sun's virtualbox, its an open source solution. www.virtualbox.org

--Gordon

Pete Cosky wrote:
> VM ware or parallels...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>  $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
>  Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>
>>  
>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>> move from
>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>> offer that RF 5
>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>
>>
>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> Me too. 
>> It is too cold to
>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>
>>
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>
>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada
>> Central
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>> intriguing. 
>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>> participating.
>>
>>
>>
>> -mark
>>
>> --------------------------
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>> some more
>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>> I don't have a
>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>> a chat
>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>> communicate with
>> each other and other pilots that want to
>> join.    
>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>> critiquing and
>> see how it works.  
>>
>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>> coast time)
>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>> Phoenix flight
>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>> a
>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>> flying
>> site.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>>
>>
>>         Neat idea?.too
>> bbad I don???t
>> have Phoenix.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [
>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>
>>         Sent: Saturday,
>> January 30,
>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>
>>         To:
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>         Subject:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>          
>>
>>         
>>
>>         Hey guys. 7:19
>> PM East Coast
>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>> practice.  Join me
>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>
>>          
>>
>>         From the Phoenix
>> RC simulator,
>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>> Online, Fill in
>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>> "sign
>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>> Session"
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Joseph is
>> buzzing around, but
>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>> this evening. 
>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>> on-line, live
>> pattern contest.  What do you think?  
>>
>>          
>>
>>         Regards,
>>
>>         Don
>>
>>        
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>        
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>         NSRCA-discussion
>> mailing
>> list
>>
>>        
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>        
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>           
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>  
>> -->
>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>> targets.
>>
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>> Knox County Radio
>> Control Society, Inc.
>>
>>        URL:
>>
>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>
>>       My URL:
>>
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>
>>       (865) 435-1476 v 
>> (865) 604-0541
>> c  
>>
>>
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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>
>
>       
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>   

From jonlowe at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 08:41:52 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:41:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AF@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AF@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <8CC70B3BC1844CE-40C0-224D5@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com>


 Aerofly Pro Deluxe has a Mac version...

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 11:29 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!


Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
 $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO 
but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
 Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new 
radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> 
>  
> The timing is great -- I am considering a
> move from
> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
> offer that RF 5
> does not, and vice-versa???
> 
> 
> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> 
> Me too. 
> It is too cold to
> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Mark Atwood"
> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> 
> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada
> Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
> intriguing. 
> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> participating.
> 
> 
> 
> -mark
> 
> --------------------------
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
> some more
> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
> I don't have a
> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
> a chat
> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
> communicate with
> each other and other pilots that want to
> join.    
> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
> critiquing and
> see how it works.  
> 
> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
> coast time)
> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
> Phoenix flight
> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
> a
> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> flying
> site.
> 
>  
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> Pete Cosky wrote: 
> 
> 
>         Neat idea?.too
> bbad I don???t
> have Phoenix.
> 
>          
> 
>         From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [
> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of
> tocdon at netscape.net
> 
>         Sent: Saturday,
> January 30,
> 2010 7:29 PM
> 
>         To:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>         Subject:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
> Lets fly--- Now!
> 
>          
> 
>         
> 
>         Hey guys. 7:19
> PM East Coast
> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
> practice.  Join me
> for some on-line simulator practice.
> 
>          
> 
>         From the Phoenix
> RC simulator,
> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
> Online, Fill in
> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
> "sign
> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
> Session"
> 
>          
> 
>         Joseph is
> buzzing around, but
> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> this evening. 
> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
> on-line, live
> pattern contest.  What do you think?  
> 
>          
> 
>         Regards,
> 
>         Don
> 
>        
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
>        
> _______________________________________________
> 
>         NSRCA-discussion
> mailing
> list
> 
>        
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>        
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
>           
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
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> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>  
> -->
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> targets.
> 
> 
> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> 
>        URL:
> 
> http://www.kcrctn.com
> 
> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> 
>       My URL:
> 
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> 
>       (865) 435-1476 v 
> (865) 604-0541
> c  
> 
> 
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 08:50:07 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:50:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512B0@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor. 

Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
--------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

VM ware or parallels...

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
--------------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
 $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
 Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:

> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> 
>  
> The timing is great -- I am considering a
> move from
> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
> offer that RF 5
> does not, and vice-versa???
> 
> 
> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> 
> Me too. 
> It is too cold to
> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Mark Atwood"
> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> 
> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada
> Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
> intriguing. 
> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> participating.
> 
> 
> 
> -mark
> 
> --------------------------
> 
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
> some more
> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
> I don't have a
> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
> a chat
> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
> communicate with
> each other and other pilots that want to
> join.    
> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
> critiquing and
> see how it works.  
> 
> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
> coast time)
> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
> Phoenix flight
> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
> a
> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> flying
> site.
> 
>  
> 
> Don
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> 
> Stuart
> 
> 
> Pete Cosky wrote: 
> 
> 
>         Neat idea?.too
> bbad I don???t
> have Phoenix.
> 
>          
> 
>         From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [
> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of
> tocdon at netscape.net
> 
>         Sent: Saturday,
> January 30,
> 2010 7:29 PM
> 
>         To:
> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>         Subject:
> [NSRCA-discussion]
> Lets fly--- Now!
> 
>          
> 
>         
> 
>         Hey guys. 7:19
> PM East Coast
> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
> practice.  Join me
> for some on-line simulator practice.
> 
>          
> 
>         From the Phoenix
> RC simulator,
> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
> Online, Fill in
> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
> "sign
> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
> Session"
> 
>          
> 
>         Joseph is
> buzzing around, but
> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> this evening. 
> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
> on-line, live
> pattern contest.  What do you think?  
> 
>          
> 
>         Regards,
> 
>         Don
> 
>        
> ________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
>        
> _______________________________________________
> 
>         NSRCA-discussion
> mailing
> list
> 
>        
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>        
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
>           
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>  
> -->
> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> targets.
> 
> 
> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> Knox County Radio
> Control Society, Inc.
> 
>        URL:
> 
> http://www.kcrctn.com
> 
> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> 
>       My URL:
> 
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> 
>       (865) 435-1476 v 
> (865) 604-0541
> c  
> 
> 
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> 
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From glen59shep at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 10:46:31 2010
From: glen59shep at yahoo.com (Glen Shepherd)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:46:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Lets fly--- Now!
Message-ID: <847410.10078.qm@web34303.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I flew in the session yesterday evening, had a great time. I'll pop in again this evening, looking forward to it. It's 31 degrees here in Dallas to cold for me to fly outdoors. While there is no substitute for burning nitro or electons the Phoenix flight simulation tool helps fill the void.
?
I have used my JR X9303 with the simulator but prefer to use my JR SX600. The phoenix software has a flying site compete with acurate F3A box ?box markings (30 degrees, ctr pole at 90 and left box at 150 degrees) You can overlay a sky orientation which gives you faint vertical lines every 15 degrees for 360 degrees. Amoung the aircraft to chose from there is a Comp Arf Intergral, included with the software , no need to download. 
?
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 10:55:30 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:55:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AF@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512AF@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <FF972911-A695-40D1-A333-A07499E3BD26@cox.net>

Parallels Desktop enable you to run any PC program on an Intel dual  
processor Mac.  Fast too.

Ron

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ...
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ 
> Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>  $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like  
> they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in.
>  Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with  
> the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>
>>
>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>> move from
>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>> offer that RF 5
>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>
>>
>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> Me too.
>> It is too cold to
>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>
>>
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>
>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada
>> Central
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>> intriguing.
>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>> participating.
>>
>>
>>
>> -mark
>>
>> --------------------------
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>> some more
>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>> I don't have a
>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>> a chat
>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>> communicate with
>> each other and other pilots that want to
>> join.
>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>> critiquing and
>> see how it works.
>>
>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>> coast time)
>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>> Phoenix flight
>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>> a
>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>> flying
>> site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> Pete Cosky wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Neat idea?.too
>> bbad I don???t
>> have Phoenix.
>>
>>
>>
>>         From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [
>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>
>>         Sent: Saturday,
>> January 30,
>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>
>>         To:
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>         Subject:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         Hey guys. 7:19
>> PM East Coast
>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>> practice.  Join me
>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>
>>
>>
>>         From the Phoenix
>> RC simulator,
>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>> Online, Fill in
>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>> "sign
>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>> Session"
>>
>>
>>
>>         Joseph is
>> buzzing around, but
>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>> this evening.
>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>> on-line, live
>> pattern contest.  What do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>>         Regards,
>>
>>         Don
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>         NSRCA-discussion
>> mailing
>> list
>>
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> -->
>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>> targets.
>>
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>> Knox County Radio
>> Control Society, Inc.
>>
>>        URL:
>>
>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>
>>       My URL:
>>
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>
>>       (865) 435-1476 v
>> (865) 604-0541
>> c
>>
>>
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
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>
>
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 11:25:23 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:25:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512B1@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Yes, but it emulates the graphics processor.  It won't handle the sims. Trust me ... I've tried it. 

Currently using VMware Fusion which also runs direct to the intel chip, but same problem. 

Only Bootcamp which loads native to the mac graphics chip (as well as the intel CPU) will run the sims.  But that requires booting directly into windows.  
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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun Jan 31 14:58:02 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

Parallels Desktop enable you to run any PC program on an Intel dual  
processor Mac.  Fast too.

Ron

On Jan 31, 2010, at 11:29 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ...
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ 
> Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>  $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like  
> they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in.
>  Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with  
> the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>
>>
>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>> move from
>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>> offer that RF 5
>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>
>>
>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>
>> Me too.
>> It is too cold to
>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>
>>
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>
>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada
>> Central
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>> intriguing.
>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>> participating.
>>
>>
>>
>> -mark
>>
>> --------------------------
>>
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>> some more
>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>> I don't have a
>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>> a chat
>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>> communicate with
>> each other and other pilots that want to
>> join.
>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>> critiquing and
>> see how it works.
>>
>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>> coast time)
>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>> Phoenix flight
>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>> a
>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>> flying
>> site.
>>
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>> Pete Cosky wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Neat idea?.too
>> bbad I don???t
>> have Phoenix.
>>
>>
>>
>>         From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [
>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>
>>         Sent: Saturday,
>> January 30,
>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>
>>         To:
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>         Subject:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         Hey guys. 7:19
>> PM East Coast
>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>> practice.  Join me
>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>
>>
>>
>>         From the Phoenix
>> RC simulator,
>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>> Online, Fill in
>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>> "sign
>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>> Session"
>>
>>
>>
>>         Joseph is
>> buzzing around, but
>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>> this evening.
>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>> on-line, live
>> pattern contest.  What do you think?
>>
>>
>>
>>         Regards,
>>
>>         Don
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>         NSRCA-discussion
>> mailing
>> list
>>
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> -->
>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>> targets.
>>
>>
>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>> Knox County Radio
>> Control Society, Inc.
>>
>>        URL:
>>
>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>
>>       My URL:
>>
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>
>>       (865) 435-1476 v
>> (865) 604-0541
>> c
>>
>>
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>
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 31 12:30:49 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:30:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512B0@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512B0@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <BF75EDF8-31A1-4118-8C26-765735FBA325@socal.rr.com>

It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.

Jim




On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor. 
> 
> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> VM ware or parallels...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>> 
>> 
>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>> move from
>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>> offer that RF 5
>> does not, and vice-versa???
>> 
>> 
>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>> 
>> Me too. 
>> It is too cold to
>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>> 
>> 
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> 
>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada
>> Central
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> 
>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>> intriguing. 
>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>> participating.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -mark
>> 
>> --------------------------
>> 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> 
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> 
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> 
>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>> some more
>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>> I don't have a
>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>> a chat
>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>> communicate with
>> each other and other pilots that want to
>> join.    
>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>> critiquing and
>> see how it works.  
>> 
>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>> coast time)
>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>> Phoenix flight
>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>> a
>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>> flying
>> site.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>> 
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> 
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>> 
>> Stuart
>> 
>> 
>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>>        Neat idea?.too
>> bbad I don???t
>> have Phoenix.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [
>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> tocdon at netscape.net
>> 
>>        Sent: Saturday,
>> January 30,
>> 2010 7:29 PM
>> 
>>        To:
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>>        Subject:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>> Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        Hey guys. 7:19
>> PM East Coast
>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>> practice.  Join me
>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        From the Phoenix
>> RC simulator,
>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>> Online, Fill in
>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>> "sign
>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>> Session"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        Joseph is
>> buzzing around, but
>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>> this evening. 
>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>> on-line, live
>> pattern contest.  What do you think?  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        Regards,
>> 
>>        Don
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>>        NSRCA-discussion
>> mailing
>> list
>> 
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>> 
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>> 
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>> 
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> -->
>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>> targets.
>> 
>> 
>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>> Knox County Radio
>> Control Society, Inc.
>> 
>>       URL:
>> 
>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>> 
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>> 
>>      My URL:
>> 
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>> 
>>      (865) 435-1476 v 
>> (865) 604-0541
>> c  
>> 
>> 
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From plachance at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 13:16:42 2010
From: plachance at cox.net (Paul LaChance)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 22:16:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Jim Hiller
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References: <0F4448C65C734C6CB334F0593C31C05C@glazecstp32xp>
Message-ID: <0889597B9E524695BD86F4AAF59557DC@PaulPC>

 
Jim,

Can you please e-mail me off list at plachance at cox.net.  I have a couple things I would like to discuss with you.

Paul
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 14:28:57 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:28:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <BF75EDF8-31A1-4118-8C26-765735FBA325@socal.rr.com>
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	<BF75EDF8-31A1-4118-8C26-765735FBA325@socal.rr.com>
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Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run both XP and Windows 7 virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.  (Most of my work related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once a year, just because.  The virtuals need to be rebooted much more often of course...Lol

I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer to have something that runs native to the Mac.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.

Jim




On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor. 
> 
> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> VM ware or parallels...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>> 
>> 
>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>> move from
>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>> offer that RF 5
>> does not, and vice-versa???
>> 
>> 
>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>> 
>> Me too. 
>> It is too cold to
>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>> 
>> 
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>> 
>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada
>> Central
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> 
>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>> intriguing. 
>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>> participating.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -mark
>> 
>> --------------------------
>> 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> 
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> 
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> 
>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>> some more
>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>> I don't have a
>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>> a chat
>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>> communicate with
>> each other and other pilots that want to
>> join.    
>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>> critiquing and
>> see how it works.  
>> 
>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>> coast time)
>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>> Phoenix flight
>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>> a
>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>> flying
>> site.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> 
>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>> 
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> 
>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>> 
>> Stuart
>> 
>> 
>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>> 
>> 
>>        Neat idea?.too
>> bbad I don???t
>> have Phoenix.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [
>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of
>> tocdon at netscape.net
>> 
>>        Sent: Saturday,
>> January 30,
>> 2010 7:29 PM
>> 
>>        To:
>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>>        Subject:
>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>> Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        Hey guys. 7:19
>> PM East Coast
>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>> practice.  Join me
>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        From the Phoenix
>> RC simulator,
>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>> Online, Fill in
>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>> "sign
>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>> Session"
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        Joseph is
>> buzzing around, but
>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>> this evening. 
>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>> on-line, live
>> pattern contest.  What do you think?  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>        Regards,
>> 
>>        Don
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>>        NSRCA-discussion
>> mailing
>> list
>> 
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>> 
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>> 
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> 
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> 
>> 
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> -->
>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>> targets.
>> 
>> 
>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>> Knox County Radio
>> Control Society, Inc.
>> 
>>       URL:
>> 
>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>> 
>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>> 
>>      My URL:
>> 
>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>> 
>>      (865) 435-1476 v 
>> (865) 604-0541
>> c  
>> 
>> 
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Sun Jan 31 14:51:57 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:51:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74349B0@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512B0@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
	<BF75EDF8-31A1-4118-8C26-765735FBA325@socal.rr.com>
	<99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74349B0@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
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I never had satisfactory results running anything on Parallels that required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and data logging stuff.  Fusion is better but I still just reboot but not very often.

Jim


On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run both XP and Windows 7 virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.  (Most of my work related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once a year, just because.  The virtuals need to be rebooted much more often of course...Lol
> 
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer to have something that runs native to the Mac.
> 
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.
> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> 
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor. 
>> 
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> VM ware or parallels...
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>> move from
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>>> offer that RF 5
>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Me too. 
>>> It is too cold to
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> 
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>> US/Canada
>>> Central
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>>> intriguing. 
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>> participating.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -mark
>>> 
>>> --------------------------
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>>> some more
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>> I don't have a
>>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>>> a chat
>>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>>> communicate with
>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>> join.    
>>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>>> critiquing and
>>> see how it works.  
>>> 
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>>> coast time)
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>>> Phoenix flight
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>>> a
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>> flying
>>> site.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>> 
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>> 
>>> Stuart
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       Neat idea?.too
>>> bbad I don???t
>>> have Phoenix.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       From:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>> 
>>>       Sent: Saturday,
>>> January 30,
>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>> 
>>>       To:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>>       Subject:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       Hey guys. 7:19
>>> PM East Coast
>>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>>> practice.  Join me
>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       From the Phoenix
>>> RC simulator,
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>>> Online, Fill in
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>> "sign
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>>> Session"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       Joseph is
>>> buzzing around, but
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>> this evening. 
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>> on-line, live
>>> pattern contest.  What do you think?  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       Regards,
>>> 
>>>       Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>>       NSRCA-discussion
>>> mailing
>>> list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 
>>> -->
>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>>> targets.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>>> Knox County Radio
>>> Control Society, Inc.
>>> 
>>>      URL:
>>> 
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>> 
>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>> 
>>>     My URL:
>>> 
>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>> 
>>>     (865) 435-1476 v 
>>> (865) 604-0541
>>> c  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From 1shinden at att.net  Sun Jan 31 16:27:16 2010
From: 1shinden at att.net (Mike Howard)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 01:27:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale
Message-ID: <577583.4312.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Iv'e got two Shindens for sale, one is complete and has been flown probably 100 flights.? YS 160, JR servos, Hatori exhaust and header, JR10X on 2.4 with 9 channel Spectrum receiver.? Other one is new, have used 160 with new hatori and header, Hyde mt. nose ring, two 3421's mounted in elevators, all for 2500.00.? Can't ship, so you'd have to pick it up within 100 miles of Springfield, MO.? Contact me off list if interested.
1shinden at att.net
?
Mike Howard
Ph. 417-234-6992
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 17:18:02 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:18:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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Agree.  Fusion is a much more solid, robust product.

Now...back to flying!  Just finished skinning another set of Dave Snow Spark wings.  Both under 9.5oz ready to cover.   Should save almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.  

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

I never had satisfactory results running anything on Parallels that required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and data logging stuff.  Fusion is better but I still just reboot but not very often.

Jim


On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run both XP and Windows 7 virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.  (Most of my work related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once a year, just because.  The virtuals need to be rebooted much more often of course...Lol
> 
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer to have something that runs native to the Mac.
> 
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.

> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> 
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor. 
>> 
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> VM ware or parallels...
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>> move from
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>>> offer that RF 5
>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Me too. 
>>> It is too cold to
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> 
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>> US/Canada
>>> Central
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>>> intriguing. 
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>> participating.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -mark
>>> 
>>> --------------------------
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>>> some more
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>> I don't have a
>>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>>> a chat
>>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>>> communicate with
>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>> join.    
>>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>>> critiquing and
>>> see how it works.  
>>> 
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>>> coast time)
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>>> Phoenix flight
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>>> a
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>> flying
>>> site.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>> 
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>> 
>>> Stuart
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       Neat idea?.too
>>> bbad I don???t
>>> have Phoenix.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       From:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>> 
>>>       Sent: Saturday,
>>> January 30,
>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>> 
>>>       To:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>>       Subject:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       Hey guys. 7:19
>>> PM East Coast
>>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>>> practice.  Join me
>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       From the Phoenix
>>> RC simulator,
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>>> Online, Fill in
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>> "sign
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>>> Session"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       Joseph is
>>> buzzing around, but
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>> this evening. 
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>> on-line, live
>>> pattern contest.  What do you think?  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>       Regards,
>>> 
>>>       Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>>       NSRCA-discussion
>>> mailing
>>> list
>>> 
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> 
>>> -->
>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>>> targets.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>>> Knox County Radio
>>> Control Society, Inc.
>>> 
>>>      URL:
>>> 
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>> 
>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>> 
>>>     My URL:
>>> 
>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>> 
>>>     (865) 435-1476 v 
>>> (865) 604-0541
>>> c  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> 
>> 
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> 
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From d_bodary at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 17:18:58 2010
From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:18:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74349B4@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <346555.59937.qm@web51704.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

But how is your sons cap doing?

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:


From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:13 PM


Agree.? Fusion is a much more solid, robust product.

Now...back to flying!? Just finished skinning another set of Dave Snow Spark wings.? Both under 9.5oz ready to cover.???Should save almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.? 

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

I never had satisfactory results running anything on Parallels that required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and data logging stuff.? Fusion is better but I still just reboot but not very often.

Jim


On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.? I run both XP and Windows 7 virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.? (Most of my work related stuff is in windows).? BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once a year, just because.? The virtuals need to be rebooted much more often of course...Lol
> 
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS just to run a Sim.? I may...but would prefer to have something that runs native to the Mac.
> 
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.? |? President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102? |? Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com? |? www.paragon-inc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on my iMac.? In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine running Windows.? XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.

> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> 
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor. 
>> 
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> VM ware or parallels...
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>> move from
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.? What does Phoenix
>>> offer that RF 5
>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Me too. 
>>> It is too cold to
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> 
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>> US/Canada
>>> Central
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How much is the phoenix software??? This is really
>>> intriguing. 
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>> participating.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -mark
>>> 
>>> --------------------------
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.???I did
>>> some more
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>> I don't have a
>>> recording device on this computer).? There is, however
>>> a chat
>>> capability which is really cool.? That way we can
>>> communicate with
>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>> join.? ? 
>>> Lets try this out again-? can take turns flying and
>>> critiquing and
>>> see how it works.? 
>>> 
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM? (east
>>> coast time)
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).? For those who have a
>>> Phoenix flight
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.? I set up
>>> a
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>> flying
>>> site.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>> 
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>> 
>>> Stuart
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Neat idea?.too
>>> bbad I don???t
>>> have Phoenix.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???From:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Sent: Saturday,
>>> January 30,
>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>> 
>>>? ? ???To:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Subject:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Hey guys. 7:19
>>> PM East Coast
>>> time and its snowing.? Who wants to get some
>>> practice.? Join me
>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???From the Phoenix
>>> RC simulator,
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.? Select GO
>>> Online, Fill in
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>> "sign
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.? Hit "Join
>>> Session"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Joseph is
>>> buzzing around, but
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>> this evening. 
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>> on-line, live
>>> pattern contest.? What do you think?? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Regards,
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> targets.
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> Knox County Radio
>>> Control Society, Inc.
>>> 
>>>? ? ? URL:
>>> 
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>> 
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>>>? ???My URL:
>>> 
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 17:24:55 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:24:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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Slow.  Barely out of the box.  He?s excited about it, but this time of the year is mayhem?   Ski club, Soccer, School, Piano, etc?  He?s a busy boy.   We?ll get it built though.  This one is alllll him though.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<mailto:mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |  www.paragon-inc.com<http://www.paragon-inc.com/>

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Bodary
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:19 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

But how is your sons cap doing?

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:

From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:13 PM
Agree.  Fusion is a much more solid, robust product.

Now...back to flying!  Just finished skinning another set of Dave Snow Spark wings.  Both under 9.5oz ready to cover.   Should save almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |  www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

I never had satisfactory results running anything on Parallels that required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and data logging stuff.  Fusion is better but I still just reboot but not very often.

Jim


On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run both XP and Windows 7 virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.  (Most of my work related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once a year, just because.  The virtuals need to be rebooted much more often of course...Lol
>
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer to have something that runs native to the Mac.
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.

>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor.
>>
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain.
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> VM ware or parallels...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ...
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in.
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>>
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chuenkan at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chuenkan at comcast.net>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>> move from
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>>> offer that RF 5
>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>> It is too cold to
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>>
>>>
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>"
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>> US/Canada
>>> Central
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>>> intriguing.
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>> participating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -mark
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>>> some more
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>> I don't have a
>>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>>> a chat
>>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>>> communicate with
>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>> join.
>>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>>> critiquing and
>>> see how it works.
>>>
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>>> coast time)
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>>> Phoenix flight
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>>> a
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>> flying
>>> site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=schale at optonline.net>>
>>>
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete Cosky wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       Neat idea?.too
>>> bbad I don???t
>>> have Phoenix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       From:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> [
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> tocdon at netscape.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tocdon at netscape.net>
>>>
>>>       Sent: Saturday,
>>> January 30,
>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>>
>>>       To:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>>       Subject:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Hey guys. 7:19
>>> PM East Coast
>>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>>> practice.  Join me
>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       From the Phoenix
>>> RC simulator,
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>>> Online, Fill in
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>> "sign
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>>> Session"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Joseph is
>>> buzzing around, but
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>> this evening.
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>> on-line, live
>>> pattern contest.  What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Regards,
>>>
>>>       Don
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>       NSRCA-discussion
>>> mailing
>>> list
>>>
>>>
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> -->
>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>>> targets.
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>>> Knox County Radio
>>> Control Society, Inc.
>>>
>>>      URL:
>>>
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com<http://www.kcrctn.com/>
>>>
>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>>
>>>     My URL:
>>>
>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>>
>>>     (865) 435-1476 v
>>> (865) 604-0541
>>> c
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sun Jan 31 17:32:45 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:32:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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Pardon my French, but DAMN!  That's light.

Ron

On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Now...back to flying!  Just finished skinning another set of Dave  
> Snow Spark wings.  Both under 9.5oz ready to cover.   Should save  
> almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> I never had satisfactory results running anything on Parallels that  
> required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and data logging  
> stuff.  Fusion is better but I still just reboot but not very often.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run both XP and Windows 7  
>> virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.  (Most of my work  
>> related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh,  
>> once a year, just because.  The virtuals need to be rebooted much  
>> more often of course...Lol
>>
>> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS  
>> just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer to have something  
>> that runs native to the Mac.
>>
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on  
>> my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as  
>> good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine  
>> running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.
>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>
>>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the  
>>> graphics processor.
>>>
>>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain.
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>> VM ware or parallels...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ...
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ 
>>> Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like  
>>> they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in.
>>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work  
>>> with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>>> move from
>>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>>>> offer that RF 5
>>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Me too.
>>>> It is too cold to
>>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>>> US/Canada
>>>> Central
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>>>> intriguing.
>>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>>> participating.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -mark
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>
>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>>>> some more
>>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>>> I don't have a
>>>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>>>> a chat
>>>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>>>> communicate with
>>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>>> join.
>>>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>>>> critiquing and
>>>> see how it works.
>>>>
>>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>>>> coast time)
>>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>>>> Phoenix flight
>>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>>>> a
>>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>>> flying
>>>> site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>>>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pete Cosky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Neat idea?.too
>>>> bbad I don???t
>>>> have Phoenix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       From:
>>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> [
>>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>>>
>>>>       Sent: Saturday,
>>>> January 30,
>>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>>>
>>>>       To:
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>
>>>>       Subject:
>>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Hey guys. 7:19
>>>> PM East Coast
>>>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>>>> practice.  Join me
>>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       From the Phoenix
>>>> RC simulator,
>>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>>>> Online, Fill in
>>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>>> "sign
>>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>>>> Session"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Joseph is
>>>> buzzing around, but
>>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>>> this evening.
>>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>>> on-line, live
>>>> pattern contest.  What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Regards,
>>>>
>>>>       Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>>> list
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> -->
>>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>>>> targets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>>>> Knox County Radio
>>>> Control Society, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>      URL:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>>>
>>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>>>
>>>>     My URL:
>>>>
>>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>>>
>>>>     (865) 435-1476 v
>>>> (865) 604-0541
>>>> c
>>>>
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From d_bodary at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 17:36:31 2010
From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 02:36:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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Me i got a CX Helicopter yes a counter rotating one. And have been having a blast crashing it around my living room, myself, the cat etc. etc. etc.
?
Tell Sean Julie says Hi.

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:


From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:24 PM








Slow.? Barely out of the box.? He?s excited about it, but this time of the year is mayhem??? Ski club, Soccer, School, Piano, etc?? He?s a busy boy.?? We?ll get it built though.? This one is alllll him though.
?
Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com
?

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Bodary
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:19 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
?




But how is your sons cap doing?

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:

From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:13 PM

Agree.? Fusion is a much more solid, robust product.

Now...back to flying!? Just finished skinning another set of Dave Snow Spark wings.? Both under 9.5oz ready to cover.???Should save almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.? 

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

I never had satisfactory results running anything on Parallels that required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and data logging stuff.? Fusion is better but I still just reboot but not very often.

Jim


On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.? I run both XP and Windows 7 virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.? (Most of my work related stuff is in windows).? BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once a year, just because.? The virtuals need to be rebooted much more often of course...Lol
> 
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS just to run a Sim.? I may...but would prefer to have something that runs native to the Mac.
> 
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.? |? President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102? |? Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com? |? www.paragon-inc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on my iMac.? In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine running Windows.? XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.

> 
> Jim
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> 
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor. 
>> 
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> VM ware or parallels...
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>> 
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>> move from
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.? What does Phoenix
>>> offer that RF 5
>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>> 
>>> Me too. 
>>> It is too cold to
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>> 
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>> US/Canada
>>> Central
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How much is the phoenix software??? This is really
>>> intriguing. 
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>> participating.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -mark
>>> 
>>> --------------------------
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> 
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.???I did
>>> some more
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>> I don't have a
>>> recording device on this computer).? There is, however
>>> a chat
>>> capability which is really cool.? That way we can
>>> communicate with
>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>> join.? ? 
>>> Lets try this out again-? can take turns flying and
>>> critiquing and
>>> see how it works.? 
>>> 
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM? (east
>>> coast time)
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).? For those who have a
>>> Phoenix flight
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.? I set up
>>> a
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>> flying
>>> site.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> 
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>> 
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>> 
>>> Stuart
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Neat idea?.too
>>> bbad I don???t
>>> have Phoenix.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???From:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Sent: Saturday,
>>> January 30,
>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>> 
>>>? ? ???To:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Subject:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Hey guys. 7:19
>>> PM East Coast
>>> time and its snowing.? Who wants to get some
>>> practice.? Join me
>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???From the Phoenix
>>> RC simulator,
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.? Select GO
>>> Online, Fill in
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>> "sign
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.? Hit "Join
>>> Session"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Joseph is
>>> buzzing around, but
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>> this evening. 
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>> on-line, live
>>> pattern contest.? What do you think?? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Regards,
>>> 
>>>? ? ???Don
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> -->
>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>>> targets.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>>> Knox County Radio
>>> Control Society, Inc.
>>> 
>>>? ? ? URL:
>>> 
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>> 
>>> AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>> 
>>>? ???My URL:
>>> 
>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>> 
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 18:06:26 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:06:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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All the credit goes to Dave.  His kit is very well engineered.  Great structural strength.  Even moderate quality wood yields a good wing.  If you take care to get good sheeting then you'll be in the same range I'm in.  And the way it locks together getting a straight wing and razor straight trailing edge is pretty simple.  I think he's found his new calling in life...

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
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-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:35 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

Pardon my French, but DAMN!  That's light.

Ron

On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Now...back to flying!  Just finished skinning another set of Dave  
> Snow Spark wings.  Both under 9.5oz ready to cover.   Should save  
> almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> I never had satisfactory results running anything on Parallels that  
> required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and data logging  
> stuff.  Fusion is better but I still just reboot but not very often.
>
> Jim
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run both XP and Windows 7  
>> virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.  (Most of my work  
>> related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh,  
>> once a year, just because.  The virtuals need to be rebooted much  
>> more often of course...Lol
>>
>> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS  
>> just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer to have something  
>> that runs native to the Mac.
>>
>> Mark Atwood
>> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
>> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
>> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
>> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on  
>> my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as  
>> good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine  
>> running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.
>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>>
>>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the  
>>> graphics processor.
>>>
>>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain.
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>> VM ware or parallels...
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ...
>>> --------------------------
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ 
>>> Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like  
>>> they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in.
>>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work  
>>> with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>>>
>>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>>> move from
>>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>>>> offer that RF 5
>>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Me too.
>>>> It is too cold to
>>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>>>
>>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>>> US/Canada
>>>> Central
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>>>> intriguing.
>>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>>> participating.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -mark
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>
>>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>>>> some more
>>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>>> I don't have a
>>>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>>>> a chat
>>>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>>>> communicate with
>>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>>> join.
>>>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>>>> critiquing and
>>>> see how it works.
>>>>
>>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>>>> coast time)
>>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>>>> Phoenix flight
>>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>>>> a
>>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>>> flying
>>>> site.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>>>
>>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Pete Cosky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Neat idea?.too
>>>> bbad I don???t
>>>> have Phoenix.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       From:
>>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> [
>>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>>>
>>>>       Sent: Saturday,
>>>> January 30,
>>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>>>
>>>>       To:
>>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>>
>>>>       Subject:
>>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Hey guys. 7:19
>>>> PM East Coast
>>>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>>>> practice.  Join me
>>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       From the Phoenix
>>>> RC simulator,
>>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>>>> Online, Fill in
>>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>>> "sign
>>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>>>> Session"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Joseph is
>>>> buzzing around, but
>>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>>> this evening.
>>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>>> on-line, live
>>>> pattern contest.  What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       Regards,
>>>>
>>>>       Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
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>>>> mailing
>>>> list
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> -->
>>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>>>> targets.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>>>> Knox County Radio
>>>> Control Society, Inc.
>>>>
>>>>      URL:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.kcrctn.com
>>>>
>>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>>>
>>>>     My URL:
>>>>
>>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>>>
>>>>     (865) 435-1476 v
>>>> (865) 604-0541
>>>> c
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Jan 31 18:28:43 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 03:28:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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I?ll have to ask if he remember her?That alone will be telling.  I?m pretty sure he?ll remember her this year?lmao.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Bodary
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:36 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

Me i got a CX Helicopter yes a counter rotating one. And have been having a blast crashing it around my living room, myself, the cat etc. etc. etc.

Tell Sean Julie says Hi.

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:

From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:24 PM
Slow.  Barely out of the box.  He?s excited about it, but this time of the year is mayhem?   Ski club, Soccer, School, Piano, etc?  He?s a busy boy.   We?ll get it built though.  This one is alllll him though.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Bodary
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:19 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

But how is your sons cap doing?

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:

From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:13 PM
Agree.  Fusion is a much more solid, robust product.

Now...back to flying!  Just finished skinning another set of Dave Snow Spark wings.  Both under 9.5oz ready to cover.   Should save almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
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-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of James Oddino
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

I never had satisfactory results running anything on Parallels that required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and data logging stuff.  Fusion is better but I still just reboot but not very often.

Jim


On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run both XP and Windows 7 virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.  (Most of my work related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once a year, just because.  The virtuals need to be rebooted much more often of course...Lol
>
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer to have something that runs native to the Mac.
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com>  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.

>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the graphics processor.
>>
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain.
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> VM ware or parallels...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ...
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in.
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>>
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chuenkan at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=chuenkan at comcast.net>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>> move from
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>>> offer that RF 5
>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>> It is too cold to
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>>
>>>
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>"
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>> US/Canada
>>> Central
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>>> intriguing.
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>> participating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -mark
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>>> some more
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>> I don't have a
>>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>>> a chat
>>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>>> communicate with
>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>> join.
>>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>>> critiquing and
>>> see how it works.
>>>
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>>> coast time)
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>>> Phoenix flight
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>>> a
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>> flying
>>> site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=schale at optonline.net>>
>>>
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete Cosky wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       Neat idea?.too
>>> bbad I don???t
>>> have Phoenix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       From:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> [
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> tocdon at netscape.net<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tocdon at netscape.net>
>>>
>>>       Sent: Saturday,
>>> January 30,
>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>>
>>>       To:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>>       Subject:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Hey guys. 7:19
>>> PM East Coast
>>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>>> practice.  Join me
>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       From the Phoenix
>>> RC simulator,
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>>> Online, Fill in
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>> "sign
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>>> Session"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Joseph is
>>> buzzing around, but
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>> this evening.
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>> on-line, live
>>> pattern contest.  What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Regards,
>>>
>>>       Don
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>
>>>       NSRCA-discussion
>>> mailing
>>> list
>>>
>>>
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://us.mc517.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> -->
>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
>>> targets.
>>>
>>>
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
>>> Knox County Radio
>>> Control Society, Inc.
>>>
>>>      URL:
>>>
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com<http://www.kcrctn.com/>
>>>
>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>>>
>>>     My URL:
>>>
>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>>>
>>>     (865) 435-1476 v
>>> (865) 604-0541
>>> c
>>>
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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Sun Jan 31 23:44:41 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 08:44:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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AeroFly Pro Deluxe for Mac.  I run it on my wife's 5 year old MacBook  
Pro driving a Sony 52" LCD TV at 1080p.  It works perfectly, no  
hesitation, no pixelation, ultra stable.

Jerry

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com

On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run both XP and Windows 7  
> virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have.  (Most of my work  
> related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once  
> a year, just because.  The virtuals need to be rebooted much more  
> often of course...Lol
>
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS  
> just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer to have something that  
> runs native to the Mac.
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> ] On Behalf Of James Oddino
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on  
> my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as  
> good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine  
> running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the  
>> graphics processor.
>>
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain.
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>> >
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> VM ware or parallels...
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>> ] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ...
>> --------------------------
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>> >
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they  
>> all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in.
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with  
>> the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike
>>
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
>>>
>>>
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
>>> move from
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What does Phoenix
>>> offer that RF 5
>>> does not, and vice-versa???
>>>
>>>
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
>>>
>>> Me too.
>>> It is too cold to
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying.....
>>>
>>>
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
>>>
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
>>> US/Canada
>>> Central
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>> How much is the phoenix software??  This is really
>>> intriguing.
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
>>> participating.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -mark
>>>
>>> --------------------------
>>>
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach.   I did
>>> some more
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although
>>> I don't have a
>>> recording device on this computer).  There is, however
>>> a chat
>>> capability which is really cool.  That way we can
>>> communicate with
>>> each other and other pilots that want to
>>> join.
>>> Lets try this out again-  can take turns flying and
>>> critiquing and
>>> see how it works.
>>>
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM  (east
>>> coast time)
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For those who have a
>>> Phoenix flight
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it.  I set up
>>> a
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
>>> flying
>>> site.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
>>>
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>> Pete Cosky wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>       Neat idea?.too
>>> bbad I don???t
>>> have Phoenix.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       From:
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> tocdon at netscape.net
>>>
>>>       Sent: Saturday,
>>> January 30,
>>> 2010 7:29 PM
>>>
>>>       To:
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>
>>>       Subject:
>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
>>> Lets fly--- Now!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Hey guys. 7:19
>>> PM East Coast
>>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to get some
>>> practice.  Join me
>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       From the Phoenix
>>> RC simulator,
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu.  Select GO
>>> Online, Fill in
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit
>>> "sign
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit "Join
>>> Session"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Joseph is
>>> buzzing around, but
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
>>> this evening.
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an
>>> on-line, live
>>> pattern contest.  What do you think?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Regards,
>>>
>>>       Don
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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