[NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

[Ron Van Putte]

Hey youngster, don't forget to bring your running shoes to the Nats.   
I prefer using the paved roads from Site 3 to Site 4 and back.

Ron


On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> The final phase requires some sense of closure, which almost always  
> neccesitates steering the conversation to the one topic upon which  
> we have universal consensus.
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> Ron is very very very old.
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> :)
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> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat Feb 27 09:32:03 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
> It is fun to watch these threads, but getting a little predictable..
>
> Phase A) It almost always starts with a simple, legitimate request  
> for helpful information
> Phase B) for which a few useful answers are given.
>
> But you know the wolves are out there circling.
>
> Phase C)  Finally one dives in and takes a bite with a facetious  
> answer.
> Phase D)  Then the whole pack dives in and the fur flies everywhere.
> Phase E)  Eventually things devolve into glow vs. electric
> Phase F)  Then Futaba vs. JR  (ya know the 14MZ has a built-in mix  
> to mix out the effect of the steel plate)
>
>
> who's next?
>
> Ed
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>
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 5:04:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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> About 1/3 the weight of the angle plate.... You'll probably STILL  
> make weight if it's glow-powered.   ;>)
>
> Verne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:22 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
> I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the  
> cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about the wax  
> paper.  How much tail weight will I need to balance the angle plate?
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> Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply only. No actual  
> angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.
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>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
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>
> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
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>> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
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>> I added 1/32” to the face of
>> the nose ring on the fuse on the
>> left side which increased the angle by 1/32”. If you do
>> the math, it equates to
>> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
>> was to block the fuse
>> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
>> stab which I used as
>> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of
>> 1/32” balsa to the
>> left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge.
>> Then I applied a
>> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the
>> entire face of the nose
>> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
>> wiped off the
>> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
>> between the angle
>> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive
>> and the angle plate
>> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my
>> nose ring now has .5
>> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
>> square of 1/32 balsa
>> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
>> sounds very heavy, but
>> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to
>> think about this
>> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse
>> is at .5 positive,
>> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
>> 0.
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>> Verne
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>> From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of Vicente
>> "Vince" Bortone
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>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
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>> To: General pattern discussion
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>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
>> gear
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>> Verne,
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>> Just
>> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
>> thrust", means to add
>> to the one is already set at the nose ring?
>> Is 1/32" is at the
>> tip of the prop?
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>> Thanks,
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>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
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>> ----- Original Message -----
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>> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
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>> To: "General pattern discussion"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada Central
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>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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>> John,
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>> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the
>> down thrust to .5
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>> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
>> finishing my third one and
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>> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
>> duplicating it. Actually, the
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>> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the
>> settings I just gave
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>> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge
>> with no mix. The
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>> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
>> the top of tall
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>> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and
>> called that 0. Your
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>> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so
>> you'll need to increase
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>> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
>> degrees down so
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>> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't
>> help on the gear, I used
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>> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
>> or just a little
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>> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
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>> Verne Koester
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>> -----Original Message-----
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>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
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>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
>> Of John Gayer
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>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
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>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
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>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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>> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
>> ounces and are
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>> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the
>> weights of the
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>> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at
>> 3.2 ounces
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>> which is a substantial difference.
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>> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet
>> but I intend to
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>> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
>> degrees and
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>> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
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>>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
>> before I get any
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>> further along.
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>> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
>> particular more
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>> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
>> inches.
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>> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately
>> 2 degrees
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>> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
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>> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
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>> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already
>> run into these
>>
>> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
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>> Thanks
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