From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  1 04:37:30 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:37:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74349BA@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <30404.66918.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Dave's a structural engineer. He worked at getting a wood wing design that would be easy to build and stay straight. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:

> From: Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 9:06 PM
> All the credit goes to Dave.?
> His kit is very well engineered.? Great structural
> strength.? Even moderate quality wood yields a good
> wing.? If you take care to get good sheeting then
> you'll be in the same range I'm in.? And the way it
> locks together getting a straight wing and razor straight
> trailing edge is pretty simple.? I think he's found his
> new calling in life...
> 
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
> 5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite
> 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com
> ?|??www.paragon-inc.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:35 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> Pardon my French, but DAMN!? That's light.
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> 
> > Now...back to flying!? Just finished skinning
> another set of Dave? 
> > Snow Spark wings.? Both under 9.5oz ready to
> cover.???Should save? 
> > almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.
> >
> > Mark Atwood
> > Paragon Consulting, Inc.? |? President
> > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
> 44124
> > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102? |? Fax:
> 440.684.3102
> > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com?
> |? www.paragon-inc.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca- 
> > discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of James Oddino
> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> >
> > I never had satisfactory results running anything on
> Parallels that? 
> > required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and
> data logging? 
> > stuff.? Fusion is better but I still just reboot
> but not very often.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> >
> >> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.? I run
> both XP and Windows 7? 
> >> virtuals continuously on my Mac and always
> have.? (Most of my work? 
> >> related stuff is in windows).? BUT...I reboot
> my Mac about, oh,? 
> >> once a year, just because.? The virtuals need
> to be rebooted much? 
> >> more often of course...Lol
> >>
> >> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in
> and out of Mac OS? 
> >> just to run a Sim.? I may...but would prefer
> to have something? 
> >> that runs native to the Mac.
> >>
> >> Mark Atwood
> >> Paragon Consulting, Inc.? |? President
> >> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
> 44124
> >> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102? |? Fax:
> 440.684.3102
> >> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com?
> |? www.paragon-inc.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca- 
> >> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of James Oddino
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
> >> To: General pattern discussion
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> >>
> >> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running
> Windows apps on? 
> >> my iMac.? In reality, if you boot up in
> Windows the iMac works as? 
> >> good or better and is no more of a pain than any
> other machine? 
> >> running Windows.? XP that is, I haven't tried
> Vista or 7.
> >
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
> >>
> >>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide
> direct access to the? 
> >>> graphics processor.
> >>>
> >>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a
> pain.
> >>> --------------------------
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion- 
> >>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly---
> Now!
> >>>
> >>> VM ware or parallels...
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca- 
> >>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
> >>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly---
> Now!
> >>>
> >>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs
> on a Mac ...
> >>> --------------------------
> >>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> <nsrca-discussion- 
> >>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
> >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly---
> Now!
> >>>
> >>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ 
> >>>
> Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
> >>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online
> coupon. Seems like? 
> >>> they all on BO but saying it will be in this
> week. I'm in.
> >>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not
> sure they work? 
> >>> with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for
> the transmitter. Mike
> >>>
> >>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets
> fly--- Now!
> >>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
> >>>> move from
> >>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.? What
> does Phoenix
> >>>> offer that RF 5
> >>>> does not, and vice-versa???
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Me too.
> >>>> It is too cold to
> >>>> fly here and I am missing some
> flying.....
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
> >>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> >>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM
> GMT -06:00
> >>>> US/Canada
> >>>> Central
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets
> fly--- Now!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> How much is the phoenix software???
> This is really
> >>>> intriguing.
> >>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those
> that are
> >>>> participating.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -mark
> >>>>
> >>>> --------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>
> >>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>>>
> >>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets
> fly--- Now!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is really exciting; a new
> approach.???I did
> >>>> some more
> >>>> checking and it looks like there is a
> voice chat (although
> >>>> I don't have a
> >>>> recording device on this computer).?
> There is, however
> >>>> a chat
> >>>> capability which is really cool.?
> That way we can
> >>>> communicate with
> >>>> each other and other pilots that want to
> >>>> join.
> >>>> Lets try this out again-? can take
> turns flying and
> >>>> critiquing and
> >>>> see how it works.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7
> PM? (east
> >>>> coast time)
> >>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).? For
> those who have a
> >>>> Phoenix flight
> >>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for
> it.? I set up
> >>>> a
> >>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow,
> Italy
> >>>> flying
> >>>> site.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Don
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> To: General pattern discussion
> >>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> >>>>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets
> fly--- Now!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix
> either.
> >>>>
> >>>> Stuart
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Pete Cosky wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???Neat
> idea?.too
> >>>> bbad I don???t
> >>>> have Phoenix.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???From:
> >>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>> [
> >>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On
> >>>> Behalf Of
> >>>> tocdon at netscape.net
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???Sent:
> Saturday,
> >>>> January 30,
> >>>> 2010 7:29 PM
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???To:
> >>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???Subject:
> >>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
> >>>> Lets fly--- Now!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???Hey guys.
> 7:19
> >>>> PM East Coast
> >>>> time and its snowing.? Who wants to
> get some
> >>>> practice.? Join me
> >>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???From the
> Phoenix
> >>>> RC simulator,
> >>>> go to multiplayer under pull down
> menu.? Select GO
> >>>> Online, Fill in
> >>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can
> recognize) and hit
> >>>> "sign
> >>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.? Hit
> "Join
> >>>> Session"
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???Joseph is
> >>>> buzzing around, but
> >>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is
> interested
> >>>> this evening.
> >>>> If there is interest we can do coaching
> sessions or an
> >>>> on-line, live
> >>>> pattern contest.? What do you think?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ???Don
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>>? ?
> ???NSRCA-discussion
> >>>> mailing
> >>>> list
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>>>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>>>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>>
> >>>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>>>
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>>
> >>>> -->
> >>>> There are only two types of aircraft --
> fighters and
> >>>> targets.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
> >>>> Knox County Radio
> >>>> Control Society, Inc.
> >>>>
> >>>>? ? ? URL:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.kcrctn.com
> >>>>
> >>>> AMA--1294,? Scientific Leader Member,
> SPA--177
> >>>>
> >>>>? ???My URL:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> >>>>
> >>>>? ???(865) 435-1476 v
> >>>> (865) 604-0541
> >>>> c
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


      

From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  1 04:39:01 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 13:39:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <003401caa29c$11ea5c10$35bf1430$@net>
Message-ID: <74378.42275.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Dang I hate when I miss that. Thanks for pointing that out Dave. I got an email last night that has a shipping tracking number and then when I check my account it says it's BO. Makes no sense. I may have to cancel that deal and start over. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> wrote:

> From: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:37 AM
> Red Rocket doesn't have them in
> stock, Back order until Spring sometime??.
> Common Sense RC seem to have in stock for about $111.00
> shipped with promo code.
> Dave Burton
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of mike mueller
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:26 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>  $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems
> like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm
> in. 
>  Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they
> work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the
> transmitter. Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> > 
> >? 
> > The timing is great -- I am considering a
> > move from
> > RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim. What does Phoenix
> > offer that RF 5
> > does not, and vice-versa???
> > 
> > 
> > At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> > 
> > Me too.
> > It is too cold to
> > fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> > 
> > 
> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: "Mark Atwood"
> > <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > 
> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> > US/Canada
> > Central
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > How much is the phoenix software?? This is really
> > intriguing.
> > I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> > participating.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -mark
> > 
> > --------------------------
> > 
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > This is really exciting; a new approach. I did
> > some more
> > checking and it looks like there is a voice chat
> (although
> > I don't have a
> > recording device on this computer). There is, however
> > a chat
> > capability which is really cool. That way we can
> > communicate with
> > each other and other pilots that want to
> > join.
> > Lets try this out again- can take turns flying and
> > critiquing and
> > see how it works. 
> > 
> > Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM (east
> > coast time)
> > tonight (Sunday, 31 January). For those who have a
> > Phoenix flight
> > simulator and want to join, lets go for it. I set up
> > a
> > "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> > flying
> > site.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> > 
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> > 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > 
> > Pete Cosky wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >? Neat idea.too
> > bbad I don?t
> > have Phoenix.
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? From:
> > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [
> > mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > tocdon at netscape.net
> > 
> >? Sent: Saturday,
> > January 30,
> > 2010 7:29 PM
> > 
> >? To:
> > nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> >? Subject:
> > [NSRCA-discussion]
> > Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? Hey guys. 7:19
> > PM East Coast
> > time and its snowing. Who wants to get some
> > practice. Join me
> > for some on-line simulator practice.
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? From the Phoenix
> > RC simulator,
> > go to multiplayer under pull down menu. Select GO
> > Online, Fill in
> > the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and
> hit
> > "sign
> > in" select Connecticut Flying. Hit "Join
> > Session"
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? Joseph is
> > buzzing around, but
> > we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> > this evening.
> > If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or
> an
> > on-line, live
> > pattern contest. What do you think? 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? Regards,
> > 
> >? Don
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> >? NSRCA-discussion
> > mailing
> > list
> > 
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > Phil Spelt, Past President,
> > Knox County Radio
> > Control Society, Inc.
> > 
> >? URL:
> > 
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Mon Feb  1 05:33:50 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:33:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hacker C50 New Planetary Gears Bearings for Sale
Message-ID: <1963133284.1444671265034829107.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>




I made a mouse mistake and ordered twice as much bearings.? These are Torrington HK-0306.? I got 6.? Selling for $26 includes shipping.? If interested please e-mail me to vicenterc at comcast.net 



Regards, 



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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Mon Feb  1 05:38:56 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 14:38:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <30404.66918.qm@web51005.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7163566AD70F-9F24-246D2@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>


Mark,

Are you saying that both together are 9.5 ozs or each panel is 9.5 ozs?

If both together are 9.5 ozs, that is indeed quite lightMattK







 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
 
 Pardon my French, but DAMN!  That's light.
 
 Ron
 
 On Jan 31, 2010, at 8:13 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
 
 > Now...back to flying!  Just finished skinning
 another set of Dave  
 > Snow Spark wings.  Both under 9.5oz ready to
 cover.   Should save  
 > almost 10oz over my existing Spark wings.
 >
 > Mark Atwood
 > Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
 > 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
 44124
 > Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
 440.684.3102
 > mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
 |  www.paragon-inc.com
 >
 >
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 [mailto:nsrca- 
 > discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
 On Behalf Of James Oddino
 > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 6:52 PM
 > To: General pattern discussion
 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
 >
 > I never had satisfactory results running anything on
 Parallels that  
 > required USB/hardware like sims, battery chargers and
 data logging  
 > stuff.  Fusion is better but I still just reboot
 but not very often.
 >
 > Jim
 >
 >
 > On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
 >
 >> Ahhh, but you're missing the point.  I run
 both XP and Windows 7  
 >> virtuals continuously on my Mac and always
 have.  (Most of my work  
 >> related stuff is in windows).  BUT...I reboot
 my Mac about, oh,  
 >> once a year, just because.  The virtuals need
 to be rebooted much  
 >> more often of course...Lol
 >>
 >> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in
 and out of Mac OS  
 >> just to run a Sim.  I may...but would prefer
 to have something  
 >> that runs native to the Mac.
 >>
 >> Mark Atwood
 >> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
 >> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio,
 44124
 >> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax:
 440.684.3102
 >> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com 
 |  www.paragon-inc.com
 >>
 >>
 >> -----Original Message-----
 >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 [mailto:nsrca- 
 >> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
 On Behalf Of James Oddino
 >> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM
 >> To: General pattern discussion
 >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
 >>
 >> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running
 Windows apps on  
 >> my iMac.  In reality, if you boot up in
 Windows the iMac works as  
 >> good or better and is no more of a pain than any
 other machine  
 >> running Windows.  XP that is, I haven't tried
 Vista or 7.
 >
 >>
 >> Jim
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
 >>
 >>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide
 direct access to the  
 >>> graphics processor.
 >>>
 >>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a
 pain.
 >>> --------------------------
 >>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> ----- Original Message -----
 >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 <nsrca-discussion- 
 >>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010
 >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly---
 Now!
 >>>
 >>> VM ware or parallels...
 >>>
 >>> -----Original Message-----
 >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 [mailto:nsrca- 
 >>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
 On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
 >>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM
 >>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
 >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly---
 Now!
 >>>
 >>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs
 on a Mac ...
 >>> --------------------------
 >>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> ----- Original Message -----
 >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 <nsrca-discussion- 
 >>> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010
 >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly---
 Now!
 >>>
 >>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/ 
 >>>
 Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
 >>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online
 coupon. Seems like  
 >>> they all on BO but saying it will be in this
 week. I'm in.
 >>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not
 sure they work  
 >>> with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for
 the transmitter. Mike
 >>>
 >>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
 wrote:
 >>>
 >>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
 >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets
 fly--- Now!
 >>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a
 >>>> move from
 >>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim.  What
 does Phoenix
 >>>> offer that RF 5
 >>>> does not, and vice-versa???
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>> Me too.
 >>>> It is too cold to
 >>>> fly here and I am missing some
 flying.....
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> ----- Original Message -----
 >>>>
 >>>> From: "Mark Atwood"
 >>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
 >>>>
 >>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
 >>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>>>
 >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM
 GMT -06:00
 >>>> US/Canada
 >>>> Central
 >>>>
 >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets
 fly--- Now!
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> How much is the phoenix software?? 
 This is really
 >>>> intriguing.
 >>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those
 that are
 >>>> participating.
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> -mark
 >>>>
 >>>> --------------------------
 >>>>
 >>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> ----- Original Message -----
 >>>>
 >>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 >>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>>>
 >>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
 >>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>>>
 >>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
 >>>>
 >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets
 fly--- Now!
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> This is really exciting; a new
 approach.   I did
 >>>> some more
 >>>> checking and it looks like there is a
 voice chat (although
 >>>> I don't have a
 >>>> recording device on this computer). 
 There is, however
 >>>> a chat
 >>>> capability which is really cool. 
 That way we can
 >>>> communicate with
 >>>> each other and other pilots that want to
 >>>> join.
 >>>> Lets try this out again-  can take
 turns flying and
 >>>> critiquing and
 >>>> see how it works.
 >>>>
 >>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7
 PM  (east
 >>>> coast time)
 >>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January).  For
 those who have a
 >>>> Phoenix flight
 >>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for
 it.  I set up
 >>>> a
 >>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow,
 Italy
 >>>> flying
 >>>> site.
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> Don
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> -----Original Message-----
 >>>>
 >>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
 >>>>
 >>>> To: General pattern discussion
 >>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>>>
 >>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
 >>>>
 >>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets
 fly--- Now!
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix
 either.
 >>>>
 >>>> Stuart
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> Pete Cosky wrote:
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>       Neat
 idea?.too
 >>>> bbad I don???t
 >>>> have Phoenix.
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>       From:
 >>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 >>>> [
 >>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
 On
 >>>> Behalf Of
 >>>> tocdon at netscape.net
 >>>>
 >>>>       Sent:
 Saturday,
 >>>> January 30,
 >>>> 2010 7:29 PM
 >>>>
 >>>>       To:
 >>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
 >>>>
 >>>>       Subject:
 >>>> [NSRCA-discussion]
 >>>> Lets fly--- Now!
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>       Hey guys.
 7:19
 >>>> PM East Coast
 >>>> time and its snowing.  Who wants to
 get some
 >>>> practice.  Join me
 >>>> for some on-line simulator practice.
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>       From the
 Phoenix
 >>>> RC simulator,
 >>>> go to multiplayer under pull down
 menu.  Select GO
 >>>> Online, Fill in
 >>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can
 recognize) and hit
 >>>> "sign
 >>>> in" select Connecticut Flying.  Hit
 "Join
 >>>> Session"
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>       Joseph is
 >>>> buzzing around, but
 >>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is
 interested
 >>>> this evening.
 >>>> If there is interest we can do coaching
 sessions or an
 >>>> on-line, live
 >>>> pattern contest.  What do you think?
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>       Regards,
 >>>>
 >>>>       Don
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> ________________________________
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 _______________________________________________
 >>>>
 >>>>   
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 >>>> mailing
 >>>> list
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 _______________________________________________
 >>>>
 >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
 >>>>
 >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>>
 _______________________________________________
 >>>>
 >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
 >>>>
 >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
 >>>>
 >>>>
 _______________________________________________
 >>>>
 >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
 >>>>
 >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
 >>>>
 >>>> -->
 >>>> There are only two types of aircraft --
 fighters and
 >>>> targets.
 >>>>
 >>>>
 >>>> Phil Spelt, Past President,
 >>>> Knox County Radio
 >>>> Control Society, Inc.
 >>>>
 >>>>      URL:
 >>>>
 >>>> http://www.kcrctn.com
 >>>>
 >>>> AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member,
 SPA--177
 >>>>
 >>>>     My URL:
 >>>>
 >>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
 >>>>
 >>>>     (865) 435-1476 v
 >>>> (865) 604-0541
 >>>> c
 >>>>
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 >>>
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 >>>
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From scott at rcfoamy.com  Mon Feb  1 08:06:25 2010
From: scott at rcfoamy.com (scott anderson)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 17:06:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
Message-ID: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC>

Looking for some more fun?  Well we have a new classic pattern group..Classic Pattern Association (CPA) is forming and working on several contest this year including the BPA in Huntsville. Take a look at the intro page at http://www.classicpatternassociation.com  there is more to come!  Also there is a classic forum at www.classic-patternrc.com



Enjoy,

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Mon Feb  1 09:56:09 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 18:56:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS120FS camgear orientation
Message-ID: <690D88EF19464A57A4AEE31C7C684EDC@Tony>

I can't find my document on the OS cam gear orientation.. Does the mark on
the cam gear go up or down at Top Dead Center? 

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

 

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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Mon Feb  1 10:33:15 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 19:33:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS120FS camgear orientation
In-Reply-To: <690D88EF19464A57A4AEE31C7C684EDC@Tony>
References: <690D88EF19464A57A4AEE31C7C684EDC@Tony>
Message-ID: <20100201193315.86FD811644@bridi.netexpress.com>

Tony,

I remember a picture from a friend of mine who 
rebuilds these engines:  He had a ruler lined up 
with the push rod cover, and the dot on the cam 
was at the bottom aligned with the ruler.  I have 
seen that engine run, and it is running quite well...

At 01:56 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote:
>I can?t find my document on the OS cam gear 
>orientation
. Does the mark on the cam gear go up or down at Top Dead Center?
>
>Tony Stillman, President
>Radio South, Inc.
>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>Brunswick, GA  31525
>1-800-962-7802
>www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c  
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Mon Feb  1 11:00:44 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 20:00:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS120FS camgear orientation
In-Reply-To: <20100201193315.86FD811644@bridi.netexpress.com>
References: <690D88EF19464A57A4AEE31C7C684EDC@Tony>
	<20100201193315.86FD811644@bridi.netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <355E3B854A2D4C178C0F3989F77B7AE4@Tony>

Phil:

Thanks, that is what I thought and that is how I re-assembled it, and it
looks like the valve sequence is correct.

Thanks!

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:33 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OS120FS camgear orientation

 

Tony,

I remember a picture from a friend of mine who rebuilds these engines:  He
had a ruler lined up with the push rod cover, and the dot on the cam was at
the bottom aligned with the ruler.  I have seen that engine run, and it is
running quite well...

At 01:56 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote:



I can't find my document on the OS cam gear orientation.. Does the mark on
the cam gear go up or down at Top Dead Center? 
 
Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> 
 
_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
       URL: http://www.kcrctn.com <http://www.kcrctn.com/> 
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
      My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
      (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c 

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From ghwatson at comcast.net  Mon Feb  1 12:09:47 2010
From: ghwatson at comcast.net (Glen Watson)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:09:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale - ZNLine Twister
Message-ID: <D7BB141647EA4889A82F1F4F9933B149@GWPersonal>

ZN Line Twister

RTF less RX

RTF weight = 10lbs 14oz (my scale)

Flown 2008 pattern season, served as back-up during 2009 to current...

Equipment:

DZ 170 (low time, 30% CP heli only)

Tru-Turn spinner

Hatori 822 header/821 muffler (pictures show previous exhaust "long" before
conversion)

Hyde AR mount / Central Hobbies nose ring

2-Fut 9154 ail servos

2-Fut 9650 elev servos (stab mounted)

1-Fut 9650 throttle servo

1-Fut 9155 rudder servo (pull-pull)

Bolly carbon wheel pants

MK BB hardware

Carbon wing and stab tube

Jaccio 6.0 reulator

Futaba HD switch

Tetra 20oz fuel tank / DZ clunk

Monokote wings, rudder and stabs / PPG paint fuse 

$2850.00 local pick-up/delivery

Go to RCU http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=598717 for more
details...
 
Contact me at 281-300-1619 or ghwatson at comcast.net with questions.
 
Regards,
 
Glen Watson
http://glenwatson.blogspot.com/

 

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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Mon Feb  1 13:34:23 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:34:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS120FS camgear orientation
In-Reply-To: <355E3B854A2D4C178C0F3989F77B7AE4@Tony>
References: <690D88EF19464A57A4AEE31C7C684EDC@Tony>
	<20100201193315.86FD811644@bridi.netexpress.com>
	<355E3B854A2D4C178C0F3989F77B7AE4@Tony>
Message-ID: <20100201223423.645C011644@bridi.netexpress.com>

Always glad to help an "old" friend, Tony...

At my age, "old" friends are usually younger than I am.  ;-(

Reminds me of George Burns' answer when someone 
asked how he liked younger women (he was 93 at 
the time): "At my age, that's all there are!"  lol

At 03:00 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote:
>Phil:
>
>Thanks, that is what I thought and that is how I 
>re-assembled it, and it looks like the valve sequence is correct.
>Thanks!
>
>Tony Stillman, President
>Radio South, Inc.
>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>Brunswick, GA  31525
>1-800-962-7802
>www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>----------
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Phil Spelt
>Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:33 PM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OS120FS camgear orientation
>
>Tony,
>
>I remember a picture from a friend of mine who 
>rebuilds these engines:  He had a ruler lined up 
>with the push rod cover, and the dot on the cam 
>was at the bottom aligned with the ruler.  I 
>have seen that engine run, and it is running quite well...
>
>At 01:56 PM 2/1/2010, you wrote:
>
>I can?t find my document on the OS cam gear 
>orientation
. Does the mark on the cam gear go up or down at Top Dead Center?
>
>Tony Stillman, President
>Radio South, Inc.
>139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>Brunswick, GA  31525
>1-800-962-7802
>www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.
>
>Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
>        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
>AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
>       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
>       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c
>_______________________________________________
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>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
       (865) 435-1476 v  (865) 604-0541 c  
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb  1 13:57:48 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:57:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC>
Message-ID: <4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp>

I can't understand--I joined the list, and it wouldn't accept my login--even after Igot the confirming message, and did what was required of me.  Thereply I got was that I was signed up to the list.  Any ideas?
Bill Glaze
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: scott anderson 
  To: NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:06 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


  Looking for some more fun?  Well we have a new classic pattern group..Classic Pattern Association (CPA) is forming and working on several contest this year including the BPA in Huntsville. Take a look at the intro page at http://www.classicpatternassociation.com  there is more to come!  Also there is a classic forum at www.classic-patternrc.com



  Enjoy,

  scott



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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Feb  1 14:02:02 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:02:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC>
	<4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp>
Message-ID: <21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net>

Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell  
you in an indirect way.  <VBG>

Ron

On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:

> I can't understand--I joined the list, and it wouldn't accept my  
> login--even after Igot the confirming message, and did what was  
> required of me.  Thereply I got was that I was signed up to the  
> list.  Any ideas?
> Bill Glaze
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: scott anderson
> To: NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:06 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
> Looking for some more fun?  Well we have a new classic pattern  
> group?.Classic Pattern Association (CPA) is forming and working on  
> several contest this year including the BPA in Huntsville. Take a  
> look at the intro page at http://www.classicpatternassociation.com   
> there is more to come!  Also there is a classic forum at  
> www.classic-patternrc.com
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> scott
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From simestd at netexpress.com  Mon Feb  1 14:15:25 2010
From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:15:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC>
	<4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp>
	<21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com>

On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell  
> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
> 
> Ron

That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of characters to
join ;)


-- 
Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
======================================================================

From scott at rcfoamy.com  Mon Feb  1 14:24:57 2010
From: scott at rcfoamy.com (scott at rcfoamy.com)
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:24:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp>
Message-ID: <906136248-1265066688-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-683494255-@bda502.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Bill,

I will forward to Tom..

Scott
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "Bill Glaze" <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:57:56 
To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern

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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb  1 15:50:02 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:50:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net>
	<20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp>

Well, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't belong to a Club that would 
have me as a member."<VBG>
Anyway, I've been kind of pro-active in  trying to get signed up, because it 
sounds like it's right down my alley.  Of course, I've only been in R/C 
since 1954; just a newcomer!  HA!  But, keep in touch, and I'll accept any 
advice as to how to get into the loop.  (Other than full up-elevator!)
Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Simes" <simestd at netexpress.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
>> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>>
>> Ron
>
> That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of characters to
> join ;)
>
>
> -- 
> Tom
>
> ======================================================================
>   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>
> Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com
> ======================================================================
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb  1 15:51:09 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:51:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp>
	<21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <22B56169197E4115BBCF6BF75D8DE0DF@glazecstp32xp>

Listen Ron, I've been denied membership in some of the really first class 
clubs before!  But, only by those who knew me!
Bill
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
you in an indirect way.  <VBG>

Ron

On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:

> I can't understand--I joined the list, and it wouldn't accept my 
> login--even after Igot the confirming message, and did what was  required 
> of me.  Thereply I got was that I was signed up to the  list.  Any ideas?
> Bill Glaze
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: scott anderson
> To: NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:06 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
> Looking for some more fun?  Well we have a new classic pattern 
> group?.Classic Pattern Association (CPA) is forming and working on 
> several contest this year including the BPA in Huntsville. Take a  look at 
> the intro page at http://www.classicpatternassociation.com   there is more 
> to come!  Also there is a classic forum at  www.classic-patternrc.com
>
>
> Enjoy,
>
> scott
>
>
>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Feb  1 16:01:23 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:01:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net>
	<20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com>
	<1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp>
Message-ID: <554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net>

1954!  Geez, that's when I started.  Of course, I was very young then.

Ron

On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:

> Well, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't belong to a Club that  
> would have me as a member."<VBG>
> Anyway, I've been kind of pro-active in  trying to get signed up,  
> because it sounds like it's right down my alley.  Of course, I've  
> only been in R/C since 1954; just a newcomer!  HA!  But, keep in  
> touch, and I'll accept any advice as to how to get into the loop.   
> (Other than full up-elevator!)
> Bill Glaze
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes"  
> <simestd at netexpress.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>
>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
>> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
>>> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>
>> That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of characters to
>> join ;)
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tom
>>
>> ===================================================================== 
>> =
>>   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>>         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>>
>> Tom Simes                                        
>> simestd at netexpress.com
>> ===================================================================== 
>> =
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Mon Feb  1 16:02:52 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:02:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <22B56169197E4115BBCF6BF75D8DE0DF@glazecstp32xp>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp>
	<21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net>
	<22B56169197E4115BBCF6BF75D8DE0DF@glazecstp32xp>
Message-ID: <329560E6-7B21-4DE4-9E5D-EFCE1C2933AC@cox.net>

Hmmmmm.  Bill doesn't seem to realize that we have a fairly extensive  
underground data sharing system.

Ron

On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:

> Listen Ron, I've been denied membership in some of the really first  
> class clubs before!  But, only by those who knew me!
> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>
> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>
>> I can't understand--I joined the list, and it wouldn't accept my  
>> login--even after Igot the confirming message, and did what was   
>> required of me.  Thereply I got was that I was signed up to the   
>> list.  Any ideas?
>> Bill Glaze
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: scott anderson
>> To: NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 12:06 PM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>
>> Looking for some more fun?  Well we have a new classic pattern  
>> group?.Classic Pattern Association (CPA) is forming and working on  
>> several contest this year including the BPA in Huntsville. Take a   
>> look at the intro page at http:// 
>> www.classicpatternassociation.com   there is more to come!  Also  
>> there is a classic forum at  www.classic-patternrc.com
>>
>>
>> Enjoy,
>>
>> scott
>>
>>
>>
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb  1 18:17:50 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:17:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <003401caa29c$11ea5c10$35bf1430$@net>
Message-ID: <255126.21506.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Dave do you know the discount code? I cancelled the BO. Thanks for the heads up. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> wrote:

> From: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:37 AM
> Red Rocket doesn't have them in
> stock, Back order until Spring sometime??.
> Common Sense RC seem to have in stock for about $111.00
> shipped with promo code.
> Dave Burton
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of mike mueller
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:26 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>  $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems
> like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm
> in. 
>  Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they
> work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the
> transmitter. Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> > 
> >? 
> > The timing is great -- I am considering a
> > move from
> > RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim. What does Phoenix
> > offer that RF 5
> > does not, and vice-versa???
> > 
> > 
> > At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> > 
> > Me too.
> > It is too cold to
> > fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> > 
> > 
> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: "Mark Atwood"
> > <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > 
> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> > US/Canada
> > Central
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > How much is the phoenix software?? This is really
> > intriguing.
> > I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> > participating.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -mark
> > 
> > --------------------------
> > 
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > This is really exciting; a new approach. I did
> > some more
> > checking and it looks like there is a voice chat
> (although
> > I don't have a
> > recording device on this computer). There is, however
> > a chat
> > capability which is really cool. That way we can
> > communicate with
> > each other and other pilots that want to
> > join.
> > Lets try this out again- can take turns flying and
> > critiquing and
> > see how it works. 
> > 
> > Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM (east
> > coast time)
> > tonight (Sunday, 31 January). For those who have a
> > Phoenix flight
> > simulator and want to join, lets go for it. I set up
> > a
> > "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> > flying
> > site.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> > 
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> > 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > 
> > Pete Cosky wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> >? Neat idea.too
> > bbad I don?t
> > have Phoenix.
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? From:
> > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [
> > mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > tocdon at netscape.net
> > 
> >? Sent: Saturday,
> > January 30,
> > 2010 7:29 PM
> > 
> >? To:
> > nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> >? Subject:
> > [NSRCA-discussion]
> > Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? Hey guys. 7:19
> > PM East Coast
> > time and its snowing. Who wants to get some
> > practice. Join me
> > for some on-line simulator practice.
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? From the Phoenix
> > RC simulator,
> > go to multiplayer under pull down menu. Select GO
> > Online, Fill in
> > the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and
> hit
> > "sign
> > in" select Connecticut Flying. Hit "Join
> > Session"
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? Joseph is
> > buzzing around, but
> > we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> > this evening.
> > If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or
> an
> > on-line, live
> > pattern contest. What do you think? 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> >? Regards,
> > 
> >? Don
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> >? NSRCA-discussion
> > mailing
> > list
> > 
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >? 
> > -->
> > There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> > targets.
> > 
> > 
> > Phil Spelt, Past President,
> > Knox County Radio
> > Control Society, Inc.
> > 
> >? URL:
> > 
> > http://www.kcrctn.com
> > 
> > AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> > 
> >? My URL:
> > 
> > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> > 
> >? (865) 435-1476 v
> > (865) 604-0541
> > c? 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From burtona at atmc.net  Mon Feb  1 18:50:12 2010
From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:50:12 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <255126.21506.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <003401caa29c$11ea5c10$35bf1430$@net>
	<255126.21506.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c701caa3ba$e439acb0$acad0610$@net>

Sorry Mike, I've deleted the e-mail with the promo code. Mine was shipped today and total cost was $109.98 shipped. They would probably honor the code if you talked to them -  Worth a shot anyway.
dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:18 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

 Dave do you know the discount code? I cancelled the BO. Thanks for the heads up. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> wrote:

> From: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:37 AM
> Red Rocket doesn't have them in
> stock, Back order until Spring sometime??.
> Common Sense RC seem to have in stock for about $111.00
> shipped with promo code.
> Dave Burton
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of mike mueller
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:26 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>  $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems
> like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm
> in. 
>  Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they
> work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the
> transmitter. Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> > 
> > 
> > The timing is great -- I am considering a
> > move from
> > RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim. What does Phoenix
> > offer that RF 5
> > does not, and vice-versa???
> > 
> > 
> > At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> > 
> > Me too.
> > It is too cold to
> > fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> > 
> > 
> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: "Mark Atwood"
> > <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > 
> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> > US/Canada
> > Central
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > How much is the phoenix software?? This is really
> > intriguing.
> > I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> > participating.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -mark
> > 
> > --------------------------
> > 
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > This is really exciting; a new approach. I did
> > some more
> > checking and it looks like there is a voice chat
> (although
> > I don't have a
> > recording device on this computer). There is, however
> > a chat
> > capability which is really cool. That way we can
> > communicate with
> > each other and other pilots that want to
> > join.
> > Lets try this out again- can take turns flying and
> > critiquing and
> > see how it works. 
> > 
> > Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM (east
> > coast time)
> > tonight (Sunday, 31 January). For those who have a
> > Phoenix flight
> > simulator and want to join, lets go for it. I set up
> > a
> > "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> > flying
> > site.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> > 
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> > 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > 
> > Pete Cosky wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Neat idea.too
> > bbad I dont
> > have Phoenix.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From:
> > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [
> > mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > tocdon at netscape.net
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday,
> > January 30,
> > 2010 7:29 PM
> > 
> > To:
> > nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > Subject:
> > [NSRCA-discussion]
> > Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hey guys. 7:19
> > PM East Coast
> > time and its snowing. Who wants to get some
> > practice. Join me
> > for some on-line simulator practice.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From the Phoenix
> > RC simulator,
> > go to multiplayer under pull down menu. Select GO
> > Online, Fill in
> > the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and
> hit
> > "sign
> > in" select Connecticut Flying. Hit "Join
> > Session"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Joseph is
> > buzzing around, but
> > we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> > this evening.
> > If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or
> an
> > on-line, live
> > pattern contest. What do you think? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion
> > mailing
> > list
> > 
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > -->
> > There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> > targets.
> > 
> > 
> > Phil Spelt, Past President,
> > Knox County Radio
> > Control Society, Inc.
> > 
> > URL:
> > 
> > http://www.kcrctn.com
> > 
> > AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> > 
> > My URL:
> > 
> > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> > 
> > (865) 435-1476 v
> > (865) 604-0541
> > c 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
>    
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From burtona at atmc.net  Mon Feb  1 21:06:00 2010
From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 06:06:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <255126.21506.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <003401caa29c$11ea5c10$35bf1430$@net>
	<255126.21506.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01caa3cd$dcc19de0$9644d9a0$@net>

OK Mike, I found it.
Promo code: oneday0201ship

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of mike mueller
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:18 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!

 Dave do you know the discount code? I cancelled the BO. Thanks for the heads up. Mike

--- On Sun, 1/31/10, Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> wrote:

> From: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 11:37 AM
> Red Rocket doesn't have them in
> stock, Back order until Spring sometime??.
> Common Sense RC seem to have in stock for about $111.00
> shipped with promo code.
> Dave Burton
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf Of mike mueller
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:26 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> 
> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm
>  $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems
> like they all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm
> in. 
>  Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they
> work with the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the
> transmitter. Mike
> 
> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net>
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM
> > 
> > 
> > The timing is great -- I am considering a
> > move from
> > RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim. What does Phoenix
> > offer that RF 5
> > does not, and vice-versa???
> > 
> > 
> > At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote:
> > 
> > Me too.
> > It is too cold to
> > fly here and I am missing some flying.....
> > 
> > 
> > Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: "Mark Atwood"
> > <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> > 
> > To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org"
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00
> > US/Canada
> > Central
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > How much is the phoenix software?? This is really
> > intriguing.
> > I'd be interested in feedback from those that are
> > participating.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -mark
> > 
> > --------------------------
> > 
> > Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > 
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > This is really exciting; a new approach. I did
> > some more
> > checking and it looks like there is a voice chat
> (although
> > I don't have a
> > recording device on this computer). There is, however
> > a chat
> > capability which is really cool. That way we can
> > communicate with
> > each other and other pilots that want to
> > join.
> > Lets try this out again- can take turns flying and
> > critiquing and
> > see how it works. 
> > 
> > Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM (east
> > coast time)
> > tonight (Sunday, 31 January). For those who have a
> > Phoenix flight
> > simulator and want to join, lets go for it. I set up
> > a
> > "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy
> > flying
> > site.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > 
> > From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
> > 
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > 
> > Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm
> > 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either.
> > 
> > Stuart
> > 
> > 
> > Pete Cosky wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > Neat idea.too
> > bbad I dont
> > have Phoenix.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From:
> > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [
> > mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On
> > Behalf Of
> > tocdon at netscape.net
> > 
> > Sent: Saturday,
> > January 30,
> > 2010 7:29 PM
> > 
> > To:
> > nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > Subject:
> > [NSRCA-discussion]
> > Lets fly--- Now!
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hey guys. 7:19
> > PM East Coast
> > time and its snowing. Who wants to get some
> > practice. Join me
> > for some on-line simulator practice.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > From the Phoenix
> > RC simulator,
> > go to multiplayer under pull down menu. Select GO
> > Online, Fill in
> > the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and
> hit
> > "sign
> > in" select Connecticut Flying. Hit "Join
> > Session"
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Joseph is
> > buzzing around, but
> > we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested
> > this evening.
> > If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or
> an
> > on-line, live
> > pattern contest. What do you think? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Don
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion
> > mailing
> > list
> > 
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > 
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > 
> > 
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > 
> > -->
> > There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and
> > targets.
> > 
> > 
> > Phil Spelt, Past President,
> > Knox County Radio
> > Control Society, Inc.
> > 
> > URL:
> > 
> > http://www.kcrctn.com
> > 
> > AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
> > 
> > My URL:
> > 
> > http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
> > 
> > (865) 435-1476 v
> > (865) 604-0541
> > c 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
>    
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb  2 06:26:46 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:26:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp>
	<554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net>
Message-ID: <61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp>

Gee, Ron, there's a rumor going around that you never were young!  Any 
truth?<G>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


> 1954!  Geez, that's when I started.  Of course, I was very young then.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>
>> Well, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't belong to a Club that  would 
>> have me as a member."<VBG>
>> Anyway, I've been kind of pro-active in  trying to get signed up, 
>> because it sounds like it's right down my alley.  Of course, I've  only 
>> been in R/C since 1954; just a newcomer!  HA!  But, keep in  touch, and 
>> I'll accept any advice as to how to get into the loop.   (Other than full 
>> up-elevator!)
>> Bill Glaze
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes"  <simestd at netexpress.com>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
>>> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
>>>> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>
>>> That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of characters to
>>> join ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> ===================================================================== =
>>>   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>>>         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>>>
>>> Tom Simes                                        simestd at netexpress.com
>>> ===================================================================== =
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Tue Feb  2 06:37:06 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:37:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp>
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It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that it's so hard to prove.  The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:27 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern

Gee, Ron, there's a rumor going around that you never were young!  Any 
truth?<G>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


> 1954!  Geez, that's when I started.  Of course, I was very young then.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>
>> Well, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't belong to a Club that  would 
>> have me as a member."<VBG>
>> Anyway, I've been kind of pro-active in  trying to get signed up, 
>> because it sounds like it's right down my alley.  Of course, I've  only 
>> been in R/C since 1954; just a newcomer!  HA!  But, keep in  touch, and 
>> I'll accept any advice as to how to get into the loop.   (Other than full 
>> up-elevator!)
>> Bill Glaze
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes"  <simestd at netexpress.com>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
>>> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
>>>> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>
>>> That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of characters to
>>> join ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> ===================================================================== =
>>>   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>>>         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>>>
>>> Tom Simes                                        simestd at netexpress.com
>>> ===================================================================== =
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Feb  2 06:46:55 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:46:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp>
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Message-ID: <784C67E0-700F-4496-AF9E-AFC9A24EFAA7@cox.net>

Remember, all you wise guys who comment on my advanced age and show  
up at the Nats are going to be in a race from the farm house to  
around the scoring trailer at Site 4 and back.  No excuses or whining  
permitted.

Ron

On Feb 2, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that  
> it's so hard to prove.  The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a  
> resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:27 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
> Gee, Ron, there's a rumor going around that you never were young!  Any
> truth?<G>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>
>> 1954!  Geez, that's when I started.  Of course, I was very young  
>> then.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>>
>>> Well, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't belong to a Club  
>>> that  would
>>> have me as a member."<VBG>
>>> Anyway, I've been kind of pro-active in  trying to get signed up,
>>> because it sounds like it's right down my alley.  Of course,  
>>> I've  only
>>> been in R/C since 1954; just a newcomer!  HA!  But, keep in   
>>> touch, and
>>> I'll accept any advice as to how to get into the loop.   (Other  
>>> than full
>>> up-elevator!)
>>> Bill Glaze
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes"   
>>> <simestd at netexpress.com>
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
>>>> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
>>>>> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of  
>>>> characters to
>>>> join ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> =================================================================== 
>>>> == =
>>>>   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>>>>         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>>>>
>>>> Tom Simes                                         
>>>> simestd at netexpress.com
>>>> =================================================================== 
>>>> == =
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Tue Feb  2 06:50:41 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:50:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <784C67E0-700F-4496-AF9E-AFC9A24EFAA7@cox.net>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp>
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Well, in my case, That's just going to make you that much older... I'll be dead by the first turn. 

As my wife routinely tells me (she's older than I)... "I may be older now, but one of these days I'm going to die, and then you're going to catch up quick..."

Mark Atwood
Paragon Consulting, Inc.??|??President
5885?Landerbrook?Drive Suite 130,?Cleveland?Ohio,?44124?
Phone: 440.684.3101 x102??|??Fax: 440.684.3102
mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com ?|??www.paragon-inc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:50 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern

Remember, all you wise guys who comment on my advanced age and show  
up at the Nats are going to be in a race from the farm house to  
around the scoring trailer at Site 4 and back.  No excuses or whining  
permitted.

Ron

On Feb 2, 2010, at 9:37 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that  
> it's so hard to prove.  The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a  
> resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.
>
> Mark Atwood
> Paragon Consulting, Inc.  |  President
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102  |  Fax: 440.684.3102
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com  |  www.paragon-inc.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 10:27 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
> Gee, Ron, there's a rumor going around that you never were young!  Any
> truth?<G>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>
>> 1954!  Geez, that's when I started.  Of course, I was very young  
>> then.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>>
>>> Well, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't belong to a Club  
>>> that  would
>>> have me as a member."<VBG>
>>> Anyway, I've been kind of pro-active in  trying to get signed up,
>>> because it sounds like it's right down my alley.  Of course,  
>>> I've  only
>>> been in R/C since 1954; just a newcomer!  HA!  But, keep in   
>>> touch, and
>>> I'll accept any advice as to how to get into the loop.   (Other  
>>> than full
>>> up-elevator!)
>>> Bill Glaze
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes"   
>>> <simestd at netexpress.com>
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:15 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
>>>> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
>>>>> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>> That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of  
>>>> characters to
>>>> join ;)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>> =================================================================== 
>>>> == =
>>>>   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>>>>         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>>>>
>>>> Tom Simes                                         
>>>> simestd at netexpress.com
>>>> =================================================================== 
>>>> == =
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 07:13:21 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:13:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp><554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net><61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp>
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1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!!





----- Original Message ----- 
rom: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
o: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
ent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:03 PM
ubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern

 1954!  Geez, that's when I started.  Of course, I was very young then.

 Ron

 On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:

> Well, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't belong to a Club that  would 
> have me as a member."<VBG>
> Anyway, I've been kind of pro-active in  trying to get signed up, 
> because it sounds like it's right down my alley.  Of course, I've  only 
> been in R/C since 1954; just a newcomer!  HA!  But, keep in  touch, and 
> I'll accept any advice as to how to get into the loop.   (Other than full 
> up-elevator!)
> Bill Glaze
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes"  <simestd at netexpress.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>
>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
>> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
>>> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>>>
>>> Ron
>>
>> That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of characters to
>> join ;)
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Tom
>>
>> ===================================================================== =
>>   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>>         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>>
>> Tom Simes                                        simestd at netexpress.com
>> ===================================================================== =
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb  2 08:04:31 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:04:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
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Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High school for 5 years--and Ron already had his degree in Aeronautical Engineering!
Bill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern



  1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!!

  ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:03 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


> 1954!  Geez, that's when I started.  Of course, I was very young then.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 1, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>
>> Well, to paraphrase Groucho Marx, I wouldn't belong to a Club that  would 
>> have me as a member."<VBG>
>> Anyway, I've been kind of pro-active in  trying to get signed up, 
>> because it sounds like it's right down my alley.  Of course, I've  only 
>> been in R/C since 1954; just a newcomer!  HA!  But, keep in  touch, and 
>> I'll accept any advice as to how to get into the loop.   (Other than full 
>> up-elevator!)
>> Bill Glaze
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes"  <simestd at netexpress.com>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 6:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>
>>
>>> On Mon, 1 Feb 2010 17:04:36 -0600
>>> Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Geez Bill!  They just don't want you around and are trying to tell
>>>> you in an indirect way.  <VBG>
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>
>>> That's not true, the cpa-mail list allows all sorts of characters to
>>> join ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> ===================================================================== =
>>>   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>>>         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>>>
>>> Tom Simes                                        simestd at netexpress.com
>>> ===================================================================== =
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Feb  2 08:11:16 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:11:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <F4101E3FE6114DBCA027AE0D4E3EE1CC@glazecstp32xp>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp><554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net><61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
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	<F4101E3FE6114DBCA027AE0D4E3EE1CC@glazecstp32xp>
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Not true.  I got my degree in 1957.  That's only 53 years ago.

Ron

On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bill Glaze wrote:

> Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High school for 5 years--and Ron  
> already had his degree in Aeronautical Engineering!
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>
> 1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!!


From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Tue Feb  2 08:18:49 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:18:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <01F08011-14A6-4634-8D56-169CAAC5C861@cox.net>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp><554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net><61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><8CC7239A11AE2B9-DE0-673D@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com><F4101E3FE6114DBCA027AE0D4E3EE1CC@glazecstp32xp>
	<01F08011-14A6-4634-8D56-169CAAC5C861@cox.net>
Message-ID: <0AEC77F0C7844848A29B26199BA9EA22@Tony>

Yep, the year I was BORN!!

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:14 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern

Not true.  I got my degree in 1957.  That's only 53 years ago.

Ron

On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bill Glaze wrote:

> Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High school for 5 years--and Ron  
> already had his degree in Aeronautical Engineering!
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>
> 1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!!

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From jonlowe at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 08:51:00 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:51:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <01F08011-14A6-4634-8D56-169CAAC5C861@cox.net>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp><554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net><61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><8CC7239A11AE2B9-DE0-673D@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com><F4101E3FE6114DBCA027AE0D4E3EE1CC@glazecstp32xp>
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Message-ID: <8CC72475F5D1C31-53E0-85BB@webmail-m098.sysops.aol.com>


 Orville Wright taught him aerodynamics...

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


Not true.  I got my degree in 1957.  That's only 53 years ago. 
 
Ron 
 
On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bill Glaze wrote: 
 
> Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High school for 5 years--and Ron > already had his degree in Aeronautical Engineering! 
> Bill 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern 
> 
> 
> 1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!! 
 
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From JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net  Tue Feb  2 08:51:45 2010
From: JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net (Jerry Stebbins)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:51:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp><554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net><61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><8CC7239A11AE2B9-DE0-673D@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com><F4101E3FE6114DBCA027AE0D4E3EE1CC@glazecstp32xp>
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Ron, guess that puts me in the "sub-level" of dirt. I flew in the Internats 
in 1948, my first NATS in 1951, and got my degree in 1958.
Jerry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


> Not true.  I got my degree in 1957.  That's only 53 years ago.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>
>> Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High school for 5 years--and Ron  already 
>> had his degree in Aeronautical Engineering!
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>
>>
>> 1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!!
>
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb  2 09:06:55 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:06:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp><554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net><61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><8CC7239A11AE2B9-DE0-673D@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com><F4101E3FE6114DBCA027AE0D4E3EE1CC@glazecstp32xp>
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Hi, Tony:
As long as you're on here, thanks for the work on those 2 transmitters. 
Considering their age, you were not only complete, but fast.  I appreciate 
it very much.  While they're not my #1 ranked transmitters, still and all, I 
do fly my stuff with them and use them to try out different things, so a 
failure could easily be catastrophic.  Now, I can fly with confidence!
Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


> Not true.  I got my degree in 1957.  That's only 53 years ago.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>
>> Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High school for 5 years--and Ron  already 
>> had his degree in Aeronautical Engineering!
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>
>>
>> 1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!!
>
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb  2 09:09:16 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:09:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp><554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net><61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><8CC7239A11AE2B9-DE0-673D@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com><F4101E3FE6114DBCA027AE0D4E3EE1CC@glazecstp32xp><01F08011-14A6-4634-8D56-169CAAC5C861@cox.net>
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Jeez, Jerry, I was going to kid Ron that when he was studying aerodynamics, 
pilots were still sitting out on top of the wing, in front of a 12 h.p. 
engine.
I do believe you've aced us all out!
Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jerry Stebbins" <JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


> Ron, guess that puts me in the "sub-level" of dirt. I flew in the 
> Internats in 1948, my first NATS in 1951, and got my degree in 1958.
> Jerry
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>
>> Not true.  I got my degree in 1957.  That's only 53 years ago.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>>
>>> Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High school for 5 years--and Ron  already 
>>> had his degree in Aeronautical Engineering!
>>> Bill
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>>
>>>
>>> 1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!!
>>
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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Tue Feb  2 09:22:04 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:22:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <D2FBAA68095A4424BF38D8CBE5F3BE55@glazecstp32xp>
References: <EE62E1FA92D44FD79C0548D0C79698AF@ScottPC><4A7A06365E004F249EAFD103458ECEE8@glazecstp32xp><21273D5F-D0A0-46CE-87B8-99E1EE4FDF2B@cox.net><20100201141522.3d765b23.simestd@netexpress.com><1E3E3F8092304F98B36F707B3FB289EE@glazecstp32xp><554919D6-8B06-4B09-AE66-88C0AFBCEAE6@cox.net><61A07CA4E99543EDB2AA852F80DE95E3@glazecstp32xp><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><8CC7239A11AE2B9-DE0-673D@webmail-d093.sysops.aol.com><F4101E3FE6114DBCA027AE0D4E3EE1CC@glazecstp32xp><01F08011-14A6-4634-8D56-169CAAC5C861@cox.net>
	<D2FBAA68095A4424BF38D8CBE5F3BE55@glazecstp32xp>
Message-ID: <CA23C9CCB6474A54BC14C0A5CD64431F@Tony>

Glad to help, Bill.  And, I appreciate your business!

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:07 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern

Hi, Tony:
As long as you're on here, thanks for the work on those 2 transmitters. 
Considering their age, you were not only complete, but fast.  I appreciate 
it very much.  While they're not my #1 ranked transmitters, still and all, I

do fly my stuff with them and use them to try out different things, so a 
failure could easily be catastrophic.  Now, I can fly with confidence!
Bill Glaze
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


> Not true.  I got my degree in 1957.  That's only 53 years ago.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bill Glaze wrote:
>
>> Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High school for 5 years--and Ron  already 
>> had his degree in Aeronautical Engineering!
>> Bill
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>>
>>
>> 1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty kool!!
>
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From bob at toprudder.com  Tue Feb  2 10:09:51 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:09:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E7434A4E@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <744070.93663.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

What can be harder than a cave wall???

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:



It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that it's so hard to prove.? The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.

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From AtwoodDon at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 10:10:17 2010
From: AtwoodDon at aol.com (AtwoodDon at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:10:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
Message-ID: <16e3.65155dc.3899d271@aol.com>

And the aerodynamics course only took an hour at that time, not much course 
 material...  
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 2/2/2010 10:41:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
jonlowe at aol.com writes:

Orville Wright  taught him aerodynamics...



Jon  Lowe




-----Original  Message-----
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General  pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb  2, 2010 11:13 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern

Not true. I got my degree  in 1957. That's only 53 years  ago. 

Ron 

On Feb 2, 2010, at 11:04 AM,  Bill Glaze wrote: 

> Yep--in 1955, I'd been out of High  school for 5 years--and Ron > already 
had his degree in Aeronautical  Engineering! 
> Bill 
> ----- Original Message  ----- 
> From: _rcmaster199 at aol.com_ (mailto:rcmaster199 at aol.com)  
> To: _nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org_ 
(mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org)  
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:12 AM 
> Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern 
> 
> 
>  1954.....1 year b4 I was born....pretty  kool!! 

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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Tue Feb  2 11:18:03 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:18:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
References: <744070.93663.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DF7FE7D4E487487C97830CD82E9C28CB@glazecstp32xp>

Bob:
This is off subject, (and I just LOVE this subject<G>) but I was wondering what year(s) you CD'd the pattern clinics at RDR/C?
Great shows, BTW;  never seen any better.  Some great assistants, too:  Gary Harris, and Lonnie Martin, and others that I didn't even know their names.  But, they and you  willingly gave up your time to give back to the sport.
Bill Glaze
  ----- Original Message ----- 
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  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:09 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern


        What can be harder than a cave wall???

        --- On Tue, 2/2/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:



          It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that it's so hard to prove.  The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.

       



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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Tue Feb  2 13:40:50 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 22:40:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
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"CAVE WALL" ????  Is that an aerobatic maneuver??

MattK






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From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 2:09 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern




What can be harder than a cave wall???

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:



It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that it's so hard to prove.  The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.






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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Tue Feb  2 14:00:20 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2010 23:00:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
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I think it's a new 3D maneuver, Matt. lol...

At 05:40 PM 2/2/2010, you wrote:
>"CAVE WALL" ????  Is that an aerobatic maneuver??
>
>MattK
>
>
>
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>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 2:09 pm
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
>
>What can be harder than a cave wall???
>
>--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Atwood, Mark 
><<mailto:atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:
>
>It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that 
>it's so hard to prove.  The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a 
>resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.
>
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-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 01:46:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
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Guys, its snowing (again).  Lets go fly.  Phoenix multiplayer, "flying only" session (online).  See you there!  What I like about this simulator is it makes you put the rudder in.  You have to work at getting an axial roll, just like the real thing.  

See ya,

Don






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From: Budd Engineering <jerry at buddengineering.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:44 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!


AeroFly Pro Deluxe for Mac. I run it on my wife's 5 year old MacBook Pro driving a Sony 52" LCD TV at 1080p. It works perfectly, no hesitation, no pixelation, ultra stable. 
 
Jerry 
 
Budd Engineering 
jerry at buddengineering.com 
http://www.buddengineering.com 
 
On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 
 
> Ahhh, but you're missing the point. I run both XP and Windows 7 > virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have. (Most of my work > related stuff is in windows). BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once > a year, just because. The virtuals need to be rebooted much more > often of course...Lol 
> 
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS > just to run a Sim. I may...but would prefer to have something that > runs native to the Mac. 
> 
> Mark Atwood 
> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President 
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102 
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com | www.paragon-inc.com 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of James Oddino 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM 
> To: General pattern discussion 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
> 
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on > my iMac. In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as > good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine > running Windows. XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7. 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 
> 
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the >> graphics processor. 
>> 
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
>> -------------------------- 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> > 
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> VM ware or parallels... 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> ] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM 
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
>> -------------------------- 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> > 
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm 
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they >> all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with >> the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike 
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote: 
>> 
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a 
>>> move from 
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim. What does Phoenix 
>>> offer that RF 5 
>>> does not, and vice-versa??? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Me too. 
>>> It is too cold to 
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying..... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> 
>>> From: "Mark Atwood" 
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> 
>>> 
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org" 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00 
>>> US/Canada 
>>> Central 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How much is the phoenix software?? This is really 
>>> intriguing. 
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are 
>>> participating. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -mark 
>>> 
>>> -------------------------- 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> 
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach. I did 
>>> some more 
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although 
>>> I don't have a 
>>> recording device on this computer). There is, however 
>>> a chat 
>>> capability which is really cool. That way we can 
>>> communicate with 
>>> each other and other pilots that want to 
>>> join. 
>>> Lets try this out again- can take turns flying and 
>>> critiquing and 
>>> see how it works. 
>>> 
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM (east 
>>> coast time) 
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January). For those who have a 
>>> Phoenix flight 
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it. I set up 
>>> a 
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy 
>>> flying 
>>> site. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> 
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> 
>>> 
>>> To: General pattern discussion 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either. 
>>> 
>>> Stuart 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neat idea?.too 
>>> bbad I don???t 
>>> have Phoenix. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: 
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> [ 
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of 
>>> tocdon at netscape.net 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 
>>> January 30, 
>>> 2010 7:29 PM 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> 
>>> Subject: 
>>> [NSRCA-discussion] 
>>> Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey guys. 7:19 
>>> PM East Coast 
>>> time and its snowing. Who wants to get some 
>>> practice. Join me 
>>> for some on-line simulator practice. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From the Phoenix 
>>> RC simulator, 
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu. Select GO 
>>> Online, Fill in 
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit 
>>> "sign 
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying. Hit "Join 
>>> Session" 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joseph is 
>>> buzzing around, but 
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested 
>>> this evening. 
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an 
>>> on-line, live 
>>> pattern contest. What do you think? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Don 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> --> 
>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and 
>>> targets. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President, 
>>> Knox County Radio 
>>> Control Society, Inc. 
>>> 
>>> URL: 
>>> 
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com 
>>> 
>>> AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177 
>>> 
>>> My URL: 
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From bob at toprudder.com  Tue Feb  2 18:27:31 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:27:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
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Bill,
?
I guess that would have been?either '94 or '95 (I only did one event). I organized it but was not the CD, I had an RDRC member (George Abbott) act as the CD for the event.
?
Bob R.

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:







Bob:
This is off subject, (and I just LOVE this subject<G>) but I was wondering what year(s) you CD'd the pattern clinics at RDR/C?
Great shows, BTW;? never seen any better.? Some great assistants, too:? Gary Harris, and Lonnie Martin, and others that I didn't even know their names.? But, they and you ?willingly gave up your time to give back to the sport.
Bill Glaze

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Richards 
To: General pattern discussion 
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern





What can be harder than a cave wall???

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:



It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that it's so hard to prove.? The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.





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From bob at toprudder.com  Tue Feb  2 18:30:06 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:30:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Classic Pattern
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Might be a good name for a new maneuver, but no. Cave wall, as in "hard" evidence. :-)

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, rcmaster199 at aol.com <rcmaster199 at aol.com> wrote:





"CAVE WALL" ????? Is that an aerobatic maneuver??
?
MattK





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What can be harder than a cave wall???

--- On Tue, 2/2/10, Atwood, Mark <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:



It's not that we don't believe he was young once, tt's just that it's so hard to prove.? The cave etchings of him as a boy bare a resemblance but it's just too crude to be considered hard evidence.


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From tocdon at netscape.net  Tue Feb  2 18:30:22 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:30:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 1st of its kind Virtual Pattern Contest Online
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Ok, based on the interest I've been getting for this new virtual RC world -  Take part in the first of its kind, RC pattern contest on-line.  Get your simulators loaded, get your plane adjusted, and lets go!

Registration is now open.  You can e-mail me off line and I'll set up a flight order.  We'll be flying at the Phoenix RC simulator (mulit-player), Moscow, Italy with a pilots meeting starting at 7 PM Eastern Time, this Saturday evening.  Registration in advance is preferred, (send me a note off-list) as I'll likely set up a password on the session to avoid mid-airs.  Depending on interest level we can either do it on one session or set up multiple sessions for each class.  Would need assistant line directors for each class in that event.  We'll plan on contestant judging.

Cheers,
Don






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To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:46 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!


Guys, its snowing (again).  Lets go fly.  Phoenix multiplayer, "flying only" session (online).  See you there!  What I like about this simulator is it makes you put the rudder in.  You have to work at getting an axial roll, just like the real thing.  
 
See ya,
 
Don






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From: Budd Engineering <jerry at buddengineering.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:44 am
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AeroFly Pro Deluxe for Mac. I run it on my wife's 5 year old MacBook Pro driving a Sony 52" LCD TV at 1080p. It works perfectly, no hesitation, no pixelation, ultra stable. 
 
Jerry 
 
Budd Engineering 
jerry at buddengineering.com 
http://www.buddengineering.com 
 
On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 
 
> Ahhh, but you're missing the point. I run both XP and Windows 7 > virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have. (Most of my work > related stuff is in windows). BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once > a year, just because. The virtuals need to be rebooted much more > often of course...Lol 
> 
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS > just to run a Sim. I may...but would prefer to have something that > runs native to the Mac. 
> 
> Mark Atwood 
> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President 
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102 
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com | www.paragon-inc.com 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of James Oddino 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM 
> To: General pattern discussion 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
> 
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on > my iMac. In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as > good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine > running Windows. XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7. 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 
> 
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the >> graphics processor. 
>> 
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
>> -------------------------- 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> > 
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> VM ware or parallels... 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> ] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM 
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
>> -------------------------- 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> > 
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm 
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they >> all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with >> the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike 
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote: 
>> 
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a 
>>> move from 
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim. What does Phoenix 
>>> offer that RF 5 
>>> does not, and vice-versa??? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Me too. 
>>> It is too cold to 
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying..... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> 
>>> From: "Mark Atwood" 
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> 
>>> 
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org" 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00 
>>> US/Canada 
>>> Central 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How much is the phoenix software?? This is really 
>>> intriguing. 
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are 
>>> participating. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -mark 
>>> 
>>> -------------------------- 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> 
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach. I did 
>>> some more 
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although 
>>> I don't have a 
>>> recording device on this computer). There is, however 
>>> a chat 
>>> capability which is really cool. That way we can 
>>> communicate with 
>>> each other and other pilots that want to 
>>> join. 
>>> Lets try this out again- can take turns flying and 
>>> critiquing and 
>>> see how it works. 
>>> 
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM (east 
>>> coast time) 
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January). For those who have a 
>>> Phoenix flight 
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it. I set up 
>>> a 
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy 
>>> flying 
>>> site. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> 
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> 
>>> 
>>> To: General pattern discussion 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either. 
>>> 
>>> Stuart 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neat idea?.too 
>>> bbad I don???t 
>>> have Phoenix. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: 
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> [ 
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of 
>>> tocdon at netscape.net 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 
>>> January 30, 
>>> 2010 7:29 PM 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> 
>>> Subject: 
>>> [NSRCA-discussion] 
>>> Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey guys. 7:19 
>>> PM East Coast 
>>> time and its snowing. Who wants to get some 
>>> practice. Join me 
>>> for some on-line simulator practice. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From the Phoenix 
>>> RC simulator, 
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu. Select GO 
>>> Online, Fill in 
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit 
>>> "sign 
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying. Hit "Join 
>>> Session" 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joseph is 
>>> buzzing around, but 
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested 
>>> this evening. 
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an 
>>> on-line, live 
>>> pattern contest. What do you think? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Don 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion 
>>> mailing 
>>> list 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 
>>> 
>>> --> 
>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and 
>>> targets. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President, 
>>> Knox County Radio 
>>> Control Society, Inc. 
>>> 
>>> URL: 
>>> 
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com 
>>> 
>>> AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177 
>>> 
>>> My URL: 
>>> 
>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/ 
>>> 
>>> (865) 435-1476 v 
>>> (865) 604-0541 
>>> c 
>>> 
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From cchariandy at yahoo.ca  Wed Feb  3 07:02:21 2010
From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:02:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS CDI problems resolved?
Message-ID: <147297.26163.qm@web112608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

By the end of last season I had seen a few good competitors having real problems with the CDI version. Reading through RCU I got the impression that the problem does not occur if the plug lead is well supported.
?
I'm cosidering adding the CDI to my engines. 
?
Is it worth the cost and effort? 
?
Will supporting the lead avoid the problems that many observed last year?
?
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Wed Feb  3 07:16:30 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 16:16:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS CDI problems resolved?
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 I've had zero problems with my two engines with CDI.  Of course, I tiewrapped the lead to the intake pipe as the instructions state from the get-go.  I put them on right before the Nats last year and have been flying them ever since.  Much better fuel economy, turns the 19x11 with ease, and less banging around.  Just make sure the braided lead is tied away from any sharp edges as vibration will go right thru the plastic protective wrap and start eating the wire braid.  I caught an issue in time, and have had no wear since.

Jon Lowe
 

 

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From: colin chariandy <cchariandy at yahoo.ca>
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Sent: Wed, Feb 3, 2010 10:02 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS CDI problems resolved?




By the end of last season I had seen a few good competitors having real problems with the CDI version. Reading through RCU I got the impression that the problem does not occur if the plug lead is well supported.
 
I'm cosidering adding the CDI to my engines. 
 
Is it worth the cost and effort? 
 
Will supporting the lead avoid the problems that many observed last year?
 
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From cjm767driver at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  3 13:40:03 2010
From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris Moon)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 22:40:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Stuff for sale
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP821E793990C173A533C37D83560@phx.gbl>

Selling for a friend not on the list:

Hacker C50-13XL Comp and Hacker Spin 99 combo - very good condition $600 
shipped
Oxai Beryl - very good condition but gear plate is loose in the front.  
You fix, you save.  Pics if interested $1000.00 airframe only plus shipping
CARF Integral - set up for Pletty.  Damage to bottom of 1 stab (fixed).  
Cosmetic damage to fuse sides from really bad touch up job to paint 
after repairing small crack by gear plate.  Paint and spare chin cowl 
                        included -you can fly this plane right now, the 
issues are all cosmetic. Pics if interested $500.00 plus shipping.

Email me if interested

Chris

From cjm767driver at hotmail.com  Wed Feb  3 14:41:50 2010
From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris Moon)
Date: Wed, 03 Feb 2010 23:41:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Stuff for sale
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP821E793990C173A533C37D83560@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP821E793990C173A533C37D83560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP7943FC1E6A18893E58280A83560@phx.gbl>

Correction:

Integral - Looks like the new chin cowl has not been fitted yet so that 
needs to be done before flying and I can't find any wheel pants for it.

Chris

Chris Moon wrote:
> Selling for a friend not on the list:
>
> Hacker C50-13XL Comp and Hacker Spin 99 combo - very good condition 
> $600 shipped
> Oxai Beryl - very good condition but gear plate is loose in the 
> front.  You fix, you save.  Pics if interested $1000.00 airframe only 
> plus shipping
> CARF Integral - set up for Pletty.  Damage to bottom of 1 stab 
> (fixed).  Cosmetic damage to fuse sides from really bad touch up job 
> to paint after repairing small crack by gear plate.  Paint and spare 
> chin cowl                        included -you can fly this plane 
> right now, the issues are all cosmetic. Pics if interested $500.00 
> plus shipping.
>
> Email me if interested
>
> Chris
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From johnfuqua at embarqmail.com  Wed Feb  3 15:11:37 2010
From: johnfuqua at embarqmail.com (john fuqua)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 00:11:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Stuff for sale
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP7943FC1E6A18893E58280A83560@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP821E793990C173A533C37D83560@phx.gbl>
	<BLU0-SMTP7943FC1E6A18893E58280A83560@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1C86AF7969EA4234BB3FA9048BFFA1D0@JohnFuqua>

Jason Shulman
Send me an email off line at johnfuqua at embarqmail.com
Thx
John


From tocdon at netscape.net  Wed Feb  3 17:02:50 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 02:02:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!
In-Reply-To: <8CC7289C69131F7-9498-5D17@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74512B0@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><BF75EDF8-31A1-4118-8C26-765735FBA325@socal.rr.com><99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216E74349B0@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com><D7FD23F9-F0D1-48C9-918D-4A4331655668@buddengineering.com>
	<8CC7289C69131F7-9498-5D17@webmail-m058.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC7355349DAB22-181C-1848@webmail-d099.sysops.aol.com>

Its now official, we have our first international competitor registered which brought me to the realizaton that this is now an international competition!   I've got several registration confirmations, but please include the class you are flying to my regular e mail dszczur at verizon.net  





-----Original Message-----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, Feb 2, 2010 8:46 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!


Guys, its snowing (again).  Lets go fly.  Phoenix multiplayer, "flying only" session (online).  See you there!  What I like about this simulator is it makes you put the rudder in.  You have to work at getting an axial roll, just like the real thing.  
 
See ya,
 
Don






-----Original Message-----
From: Budd Engineering <jerry at buddengineering.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Mon, Feb 1, 2010 3:44 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now!


AeroFly Pro Deluxe for Mac. I run it on my wife's 5 year old MacBook Pro driving a Sony 52" LCD TV at 1080p. It works perfectly, no hesitation, no pixelation, ultra stable. 
 
Jerry 
 
Budd Engineering 
jerry at buddengineering.com 
http://www.buddengineering.com 
 
On Jan 31, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 
 
> Ahhh, but you're missing the point. I run both XP and Windows 7 > virtuals continuously on my Mac and always have. (Most of my work > related stuff is in windows). BUT...I reboot my Mac about, oh, once > a year, just because. The virtuals need to be rebooted much more > often of course...Lol 
> 
> I would hate to have to reboot back and forth in and out of Mac OS > just to run a Sim. I may...but would prefer to have something that > runs native to the Mac. 
> 
> Mark Atwood 
> Paragon Consulting, Inc. | President 
> 5885 Landerbrook Drive Suite 130, Cleveland Ohio, 44124 
> Phone: 440.684.3101 x102 | Fax: 440.684.3102 
> mark.atwood at paragon-inc.com | www.paragon-inc.com 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of James Oddino 
> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 4:31 PM 
> To: General pattern discussion 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
> 
> It's funny but I have the same reaction to running Windows apps on > my iMac. In reality, if you boot up in Windows the iMac works as > good or better and is no more of a pain than any other machine > running Windows. XP that is, I haven't tried Vista or 7. 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jan 31, 2010, at 9:50 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote: 
> 
>> Neither VMware Fusion, nor parallels provide direct access to the >> graphics processor. 
>> 
>> Bootcamp running XP Sp 2 works but that's a pain. 
>> -------------------------- 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> > 
>> To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:36:04 2010 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> VM ware or parallels... 
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> ] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:29 PM 
>> To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org' 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> Now if only somebody would make one that runs on a Mac ... 
>> -------------------------- 
>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>> > 
>> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 12:26:06 2010 
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>> 
>> http://www.redrockethobbies.com/Phoenix_R_C_Pro_Flight_Simulator_2_5_p/rtm2500.htm 
>> $124 w free shipping if you apply an online coupon. Seems like they >> all on BO but saying it will be in this week. I'm in. 
>> Mark they have Airtronics adaptors but I'm not sure they work with >> the new radio. I have old JR stuff for the transmitter. Mike 
>> 
>> --- On Sun, 1/31/10, Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> wrote: 
>> 
>>> From: Phil Spelt <chuenkan at comcast.net> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> Date: Sunday, January 31, 2010, 10:17 AM 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The timing is great -- I am considering a 
>>> move from 
>>> RealFlite 3 to a newer RC sim. What does Phoenix 
>>> offer that RF 5 
>>> does not, and vice-versa??? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 11:12 AM 1/31/2010, you wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Me too. 
>>> It is too cold to 
>>> fly here and I am missing some flying..... 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> 
>>> From: "Mark Atwood" 
>>> <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> 
>>> 
>>> To: "nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org" 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 10:07:40 AM GMT -06:00 
>>> US/Canada 
>>> Central 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> How much is the phoenix software?? This is really 
>>> intriguing. 
>>> I'd be interested in feedback from those that are 
>>> participating. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -mark 
>>> 
>>> -------------------------- 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> 
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sun Jan 31 10:57:18 2010 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is really exciting; a new approach. I did 
>>> some more 
>>> checking and it looks like there is a voice chat (although 
>>> I don't have a 
>>> recording device on this computer). There is, however 
>>> a chat 
>>> capability which is really cool. That way we can 
>>> communicate with 
>>> each other and other pilots that want to 
>>> join. 
>>> Lets try this out again- can take turns flying and 
>>> critiquing and 
>>> see how it works. 
>>> 
>>> Lets shoot for another flying session at 7 PM (east 
>>> coast time) 
>>> tonight (Sunday, 31 January). For those who have a 
>>> Phoenix flight 
>>> simulator and want to join, lets go for it. I set up 
>>> a 
>>> "Pattern Flying" session using the Moscow, Italy 
>>> flying 
>>> site. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Don 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- 
>>> 
>>> From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> 
>>> 
>>> To: General pattern discussion 
>>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2010 8:01 pm 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agree I would try but don't have Phoenix either. 
>>> 
>>> Stuart 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Pete Cosky wrote: 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Neat idea?.too 
>>> bbad I don???t 
>>> have Phoenix. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: 
>>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> [ 
>>> mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of 
>>> tocdon at netscape.net 
>>> 
>>> Sent: Saturday, 
>>> January 30, 
>>> 2010 7:29 PM 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> 
>>> Subject: 
>>> [NSRCA-discussion] 
>>> Lets fly--- Now! 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hey guys. 7:19 
>>> PM East Coast 
>>> time and its snowing. Who wants to get some 
>>> practice. Join me 
>>> for some on-line simulator practice. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From the Phoenix 
>>> RC simulator, 
>>> go to multiplayer under pull down menu. Select GO 
>>> Online, Fill in 
>>> the Online Sign in (put a name I can recognize) and hit 
>>> "sign 
>>> in" select Connecticut Flying. Hit "Join 
>>> Session" 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Joseph is 
>>> buzzing around, but 
>>> we'll move to pattern flying if anyone is interested 
>>> this evening. 
>>> If there is interest we can do coaching sessions or an 
>>> on-line, live 
>>> pattern contest. What do you think? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> 
>>> Don 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________________ 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>> 
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>>> mailing 
>>> list 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> --> 
>>> There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and 
>>> targets. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Phil Spelt, Past President, 
>>> Knox County Radio 
>>> Control Society, Inc. 
>>> 
>>> URL: 
>>> 
>>> http://www.kcrctn.com 
>>> 
>>> AMA--1294, Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177 
>>> 
>>> My URL: 
>>> 
>>> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/ 
>>> 
>>> (865) 435-1476 v 
>>> (865) 604-0541 
>>> c 
>>> 
>>> 
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From donramsey at gmail.com  Thu Feb  4 08:21:56 2010
From: donramsey at gmail.com (Don Ramsey)
Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 17:21:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Wayne Galligan
In-Reply-To: <4B564716.3030509@optonline.net>
References: <000c01ca8e07$99724ac0$cc56e040$%maurice@sgmservice.com>	<20100105133223.13EC311622@bridi.netexpress.com>	<002901ca8e0f$af812310$0e836930$%maurice@sgmservice.com>	<4B435E98.9020803@comcast.net>	<004301ca8e28$2a485560$7ed90020$%maurice@sgmservice.com>	<BLU121-DS14BCDBB476A2180928225E8720@phx.gbl>	<BLU121-DS175C974D36B6579188D9FE8720@phx.gbl>	<4B440AE5.90907@optonline.net>	<6B915F69-B3AF-4A46-8754-CAC2413C133B@cox.net>	<99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D87216DC784F68@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>	<506F3A2286BE49519BC2FD09E5D87026@Tony>	<1500200972-1262804305-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1666548618-@bda463.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>	<3AF349FE7731429DB2EA1153B3E241DE@Tony>
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Anyone have Wayne Galligan's current email address?




From lodomjr at verizon.net  Fri Feb  5 05:42:41 2010
From: lodomjr at verizon.net (Lawrence Odom)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 14:42:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
Message-ID: <1B217320E08F4B5FAC7E6E2B6F2FDD77@corp.globalproducesales.com>

Hello everyone,

Just a reminder that the Polk Pattern Classic is coming up next weekend February 13th and 14th.  Looks like the weather is going to be good.  Looking forward in seeing everyone.  Oh one more thing the field will be closed all day Friday the 12th so there can be early practice for those coming in on Thursday late.  Any questions you can contact me off list at lodomjr at verizon.net.

Thanks 
Larry
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From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb  5 13:24:01 2010
From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:24:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
In-Reply-To: <8CC6E485AE55822-69D4-1AE59@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98284A@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>,
	<8CC6E485AE55822-69D4-1AE59@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL123-W26AA49593D7590FA2BBF9DE2540@phx.gbl>


Hi Matt,

 Twill or plain weave? Anyone have a favorite source? Found some sellers on ebay who seem to have good prices.

 

Anthony
 


To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:47:40 -0500
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material


Tim,
 
You can build up cross grained balsa and carbon firewalls your self. It's easy.
 
Aircraft ply. 1/8", will weight almost double what a carbon balsa laminate will at 5/16" thickness.
 
Ed Alt discussed this technique some time ago in the KFactor. We first built up his firewall shape in cross grained light balsa and installed as many hardpoints as needed for the mount...hard points are simple maple blocks (lighter) or aircrfat ply squares (heavier), maybe 3/8" square. It requires some prep as you can see.
 
Lamination is straightforward. I use 3K carbon cloth, 1 layer each side, and epoxy such as ProSet, West Systems or the newest discovery JGreer, which is half the cost of the others. The assembly is inserted in a vacuum bag such as a Food Saver, and closed up. I place it on a flat surface and use a 10 lb weight on it to keep it flat.The vacuum is great because, besides the fact that you get the best contact possible between the layers, it draws epoxy into the grain and really stiffens the structure. Nonteless, before insertion into the bag, I use paper towels to remove as much of the excess as practical. You can't remove too much.
 
I think Ed said the weight of his Integral FW was around 40 grams. I am using the same type in my new design that has a rather large FW, and is designed for a gasoline engine. I took weights of the light ply FW I removed from my fuse and the new Carbon/balsa. Original weighed around 85 grams, and new 42grams.
 
MattK





-----Original Message-----
From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:29 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material






I?m working on a pair of Genesis? for next season. In the past, most of my airplanes have been wood, and while I have some experience with composite airframes, I?m far from being an expert. I?m ready to put in the firewalls, and I?d like some suggestions as to what the best material will be for this. I?d like to keep the weight down (don?t we all), and was wondering if laminated carbon/balsa panels such as those available at the Composites Store (http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_sandwich_panel.html)  are worth it, difficult to work with, etc. Also, do panels like this require some special reinforcement where the bolts go through? Special epoxies for adhering to the fuse, etc.? Or should I just be using aircraft grade plywood?
 
Any suggestions would be great.
 
Tim Pascoe
 
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Fri Feb  5 13:42:16 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:42:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <COL123-W26AA49593D7590FA2BBF9DE2540@phx.gbl>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98284A@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>,
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Practice tonight 7 PM Eastern see you there.  Open flying, Phoenix multi player.

Regards,
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Fri Feb  5 13:49:04 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:49:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material
In-Reply-To: <COL123-W26AA49593D7590FA2BBF9DE2540@phx.gbl>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98284A@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>,
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Plain weave 3K is fine Anthony. I have both types of cloth and use the plain more for all kinds of apps, including propellers and landing gear (high perf requirements). But twill is fine for flats and they say is actually a little stronger. I find it more difficult to work with

I've been getting mine from Fiberglast lately but most any sources with good pricing will work. I wait for the 20% off coupons from Fiberglast (at least once a month) and get a couple yards. It is expensive material but worth the price. BTW, forget about using 1K cloth for structural things....it's nice and light and looks good but that's about it. It has little guts...if you want it, use it as top coat after you reinforced the structure with the stronger grade.

Please let me know the ebay sources. Always looking for less expensive materials that are appropriate to use.

MattK





-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Romano <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 5:23 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material


Hi Matt,
 Twill or plain weave? Anyone have a favorite source? Found some sellers on ebay who seem to have good prices.
 
Anthony
 
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 10:47:40 -0500
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material


Tim,
 
You can build up cross grained balsa and carbon firewalls your self. It's easy.
 
Aircraft ply. 1/8", will weight almost double what a carbon balsa laminate will at 5/16" thickness.
 
Ed Alt discussed this technique some time ago in the KFactor. We first built up his firewall shape in cross grained light balsa and installed as many hardpoints as needed for the mount...hard points are simple maple blocks (lighter) or aircrfat ply squares (heavier), maybe 3/8" square. It requires some prep as you can see.
 
Lamination is straightforward. I use 3K carbon cloth, 1 layer each side, and epoxy such as ProSet, West Systems or the newest discovery JGreer, which is half the cost of the others. The assembly is inserted in a vacuum bag such as a Food Saver, and closed up. I place it on a flat surface and use a 10 lb weight on it to keep it flat.The vacuum is great because, besides the fact that you get the best contact possible between the layers, it draws epoxy into the grain and really stiffens the structure. Nonteless, before insertion into the bag, I use paper towels to remove as much of the excess as practical. You can't remove too much.
 
I think Ed said the weight of his Integral FW was around 40 grams. I am using the same type in my new design that has a rather large FW, and is designed for a gasoline engine. I took weights of the light ply FW I removed from my fuse and the new Carbon/balsa. Original weighed around 85 grams, and new 42grams.
 
MattK






-----Original Message-----
From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2010 10:29 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Firewall Material



I?m working on a pair of Genesis? for next season. In the past, most of my airplanes have been wood, and while I have some experience with composite airframes, I?m far from being an expert. I?m ready to put in the firewalls, and I?d like some suggestions as to what the best material will be for this. I?d like to keep the weight down (don?t we all), and was wondering if laminated carbon/balsa panels such as those available at the Composites Store (http://www.cstsales.com/carbon_sandwich_panel.html)  are worth it, difficult to work with, etc. Also, do panels like this require some special reinforcement where the bolts go through? Special epoxies for adhering to the fuse, etc.? Or should I just be using aircraft grade plywood?
 
Any suggestions would be great.
 
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From jshulman at cfl.rr.com  Fri Feb  5 13:50:16 2010
From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (J Shu)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 22:50:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
In-Reply-To: <1B217320E08F4B5FAC7E6E2B6F2FDD77@corp.globalproducesales.com>
References: <1B217320E08F4B5FAC7E6E2B6F2FDD77@corp.globalproducesales.com>
Message-ID: <01CC5BFFF8B94860B0068CE2B23F6AF3@UncleJasPC>

I talked with Larry this afternoon, and in case anyone is confused (it really might just be me), the field is closed Friday to club fliers but open to all participants in the pattern contest.

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Lawrence Odom 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic


  Hello everyone,

  Just a reminder that the Polk Pattern Classic is coming up next weekend February 13th and 14th.  Looks like the weather is going to be good.  Looking forward in seeing everyone.  Oh one more thing the field will be closed all day Friday the 12th so there can be early practice for those coming in on Thursday late.  Any questions you can contact me off list at lodomjr at verizon.net.

  Thanks 
  Larry


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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Feb  5 14:15:14 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:15:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
In-Reply-To: <01CC5BFFF8B94860B0068CE2B23F6AF3@UncleJasPC>
References: <1B217320E08F4B5FAC7E6E2B6F2FDD77@corp.globalproducesales.com>
	<01CC5BFFF8B94860B0068CE2B23F6AF3@UncleJasPC>
Message-ID: <3F764CF8-A1A5-4739-B71D-328E5FFD4FE7@cox.net>

Last year, using the flying field's latitude/longitude and referring  
to the Lakeland area map and satellite picture, I determined the  
address of the entrance of the flying field to be 2899 Old Polk City  
Rd; Lakeland, FL 33809-1738.   Using my GPS device, that address got  
me right to the field entrance.

Ron Van Putte

On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:50 PM, J Shu wrote:

> I talked with Larry this afternoon, and in case anyone is confused  
> (it really might just be me), the field is closed Friday to club  
> fliers but open to all participants in the pattern contest.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lawrence Odom
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Just a reminder that the Polk Pattern Classic is coming up next  
> weekend February 13th and 14th.  Looks like the weather is going to  
> be good.  Looking forward in seeing everyone.  Oh one more thing  
> the field will be closed all day Friday the 12th so there can be  
> early practice for those coming in on Thursday late.  Any questions  
> you can contact me off list at lodomjr at verizon.net.
>
> Thanks
> Larry
>
>
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From ojfrets at earthlink.net  Fri Feb  5 15:30:43 2010
From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO  FRETS)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:30:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
In-Reply-To: <3F764CF8-A1A5-4739-B71D-328E5FFD4FE7@cox.net>
References: <1B217320E08F4B5FAC7E6E2B6F2FDD77@corp.globalproducesales.com><01CC5BFFF8B94860B0068CE2B23F6AF3@UncleJasPC>
	<3F764CF8-A1A5-4739-B71D-328E5FFD4FE7@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5397BA7796544BB582B4BA1A249EEDD4@OrlandoPC>

Ron:
However, this year please do not overturn the gas can as you did last year. 


Orlando Frets

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:18 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic

Last year, using the flying field's latitude/longitude and referring to the
Lakeland area map and satellite picture, I determined the address of the
entrance of the flying field to be 2899 Old Polk City  
Rd; Lakeland, FL 33809-1738.   Using my GPS device, that address got  
me right to the field entrance.

Ron Van Putte

On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:50 PM, J Shu wrote:

> I talked with Larry this afternoon, and in case anyone is confused (it 
> really might just be me), the field is closed Friday to club fliers 
> but open to all participants in the pattern contest.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lawrence Odom
> To: General pattern discussion
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Just a reminder that the Polk Pattern Classic is coming up next 
> weekend February 13th and 14th.  Looks like the weather is going to be 
> good.  Looking forward in seeing everyone.  Oh one more thing the 
> field will be closed all day Friday the 12th so there can be early 
> practice for those coming in on Thursday late.  Any questions you can 
> contact me off list at lodomjr at verizon.net.
>
> Thanks
> Larry
>
>
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From lodomjr at verizon.net  Fri Feb  5 16:46:11 2010
From: lodomjr at verizon.net (Larry Odom)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 01:46:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
Message-ID: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHAENOCDAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>

I just wanted to clarify the practice day on Friday the 12th.  My previous
post sounded like the field was closed to everyone.  But it's only closed to
open flying to allow the contestants the whole day on Friday to practice.
This will let the people coming in Thursday late to get an early start.
Sorry for any confusion.

Also, Mr. Van Putte came up with an address for me to post:  2899 Old Polk
City Hwy   Lakeland, FL  33809.

Thanks
Larry Odom


From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Feb  5 17:25:26 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:25:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
In-Reply-To: <5397BA7796544BB582B4BA1A249EEDD4@OrlandoPC>
References: <1B217320E08F4B5FAC7E6E2B6F2FDD77@corp.globalproducesales.com><01CC5BFFF8B94860B0068CE2B23F6AF3@UncleJasPC>
	<3F764CF8-A1A5-4739-B71D-328E5FFD4FE7@cox.net>
	<5397BA7796544BB582B4BA1A249EEDD4@OrlandoPC>
Message-ID: <E4444566-7509-4C97-B14A-0A350D124153@cox.net>

If you insist.

Ron

On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:30 PM, ORLANDO FRETS wrote:

> Ron:
> However, this year please do not overturn the gas can as you did  
> last year.
>
>
> Orlando Frets
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron  
> Van Putte
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:18 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
>
> Last year, using the flying field's latitude/longitude and  
> referring to the
> Lakeland area map and satellite picture, I determined the address  
> of the
> entrance of the flying field to be 2899 Old Polk City
> Rd; Lakeland, FL 33809-1738.   Using my GPS device, that address got
> me right to the field entrance.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:50 PM, J Shu wrote:
>
>> I talked with Larry this afternoon, and in case anyone is confused  
>> (it
>> really might just be me), the field is closed Friday to club fliers
>> but open to all participants in the pattern contest.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lawrence Odom
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Just a reminder that the Polk Pattern Classic is coming up next
>> weekend February 13th and 14th.  Looks like the weather is going  
>> to be
>> good.  Looking forward in seeing everyone.  Oh one more thing the
>> field will be closed all day Friday the 12th so there can be early
>> practice for those coming in on Thursday late.  Any questions you can
>> contact me off list at lodomjr at verizon.net.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From lld613 at psci.net  Fri Feb  5 20:42:11 2010
From: lld613 at psci.net (Lisa n Larry)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 05:42:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale: Stylus Tx, w/ PCM Rx - Listed on RCU
Message-ID: <000601caa6ef$21608a50$64219ef0$@net>

I have listed two Stylus transmitters w/ Tx Module, 8ch PCM Rx, Arco Card,
and a 50 Model Memory Card. Both are in excellent condition.

 

I have a few different channels to choose from. I will be selling additional
8ch PCM Rx's and Transmitter Modules after the transmitters are sold.

 

They have both been serviced by Airtronics last year and the internal
battery was replaced.

 

They are listed at $300 for each system on RCU. I'll consider offers and
would be willing to add a second Tx Module and 8ch PCM Rx for NSRCA folks.

 

Larry Diamond

NSRCA 3083

812-630-9592

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From rctechnics at yahoo.com  Sat Feb  6 13:25:37 2010
From: rctechnics at yahoo.com (Paul Hepworth)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:25:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Where to buy Phenolic Tube
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Please can someone tell me where I can buy 30mm ID and 10mm ID Phenolic Wing Tube Sockets?


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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sat Feb  6 14:40:23 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:40:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Contest tonight at 7PM
In-Reply-To: <8CC74CB853EF96A-7BA0-3B19@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98284A@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>,
	<8CC6E485AE55822-69D4-1AE59@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><COL123-W26AA49593D7590FA2BBF9DE2540@phx.gbl>
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If anyone would like to joint, I'm online now you can e-mail me at dszczur at verizon.net and I'll send you the password. 

Thanks, 
Don





-----Original Message-----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight 7 PM


Practice tonight 7 PM Eastern see you there.  Open flying, Phoenix multi player.
 
Regards,
Don




 


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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Sat Feb  6 16:26:10 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:26:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Where to buy Phenolic Tube
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Consider doing a web search. Many companies make phenolic tubes

MattK






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To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 5:25 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Where to buy Phenolic Tube



Please can someone tell me where I can buy 30mm ID and 10mm ID Phenolic Wing Tube Sockets?

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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sat Feb  6 16:47:23 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:47:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Contest tonight at 7PM
In-Reply-To: <8CC759CD70CB785-12B8-3D8F@webmail-m086.sysops.aol.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98284A@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>,
	<8CC6E485AE55822-69D4-1AE59@webmail-m024.sysops.aol.com><COL123-W26AA49593D7590FA2BBF9DE2540@phx.gbl><8CC74CB853EF96A-7BA0-3B19@webmail-m044.sysops.aol.com>
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Well, its official.  The first ever RC online pattern contest is complete and was a complete success.   It was a total blast.  The nervousness, the anticipation, ready box, corrections, centering, totally a blast.  Expect we'll do it again in a couple weeks.

Don






-----Original Message-----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Contest tonight at 7PM


If anyone would like to joint, I'm online now you can e-mail me at dszczur at verizon.net and I'll send you the password. 

Thanks, 
Don





-----Original Message-----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight 7 PM


Practice tonight 7 PM Eastern see you there.  Open flying, Phoenix multi player.
 
Regards,
Don




 


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From schale at optonline.net  Sat Feb  6 18:28:59 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:28:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Contest tonight at 7PM
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sat Feb  6 18:50:02 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 03:50:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Contest tonight at 7PM
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Results are on RC Universe
?
Regards,
Don



-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Chale &lt;schale at optonline.net&gt;
To: General pattern discussion &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 10:28 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Contest tonight at 7PM

So where are the results?
Guess I'll have to give Phoenix a try.
Stuart

On 2/6/2010 8:47 PM, tocdon at netscape.net wrote: Well, its official.? The first ever RC online pattern contest is complete and was a complete success.?? It was a total blast.? The nervousness, the anticipation, ready box, corrections, centering, totally a blast.? Expect we'll do it again in a couple weeks.
?
Don




-----Original Message-----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Sat, Feb 6, 2010 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Contest tonight at 7PM

If anyone would like to joint, I'm online now you can e-mail me at dszczur at verizon.net and I'll send you the password. 

Thanks, 
Don



-----Original Message-----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Fri, Feb 5, 2010 5:41 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight 7 PM

Practice tonight 7 PM Eastern see you there.? Open flying, Phoenix multi player.
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From kvelez at rochester.rr.com  Sun Feb  7 09:42:55 2010
From: kvelez at rochester.rr.com (Kenneth Velez)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:42:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Brio Chin cowl
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Hi all,

 

Looking for a Brio Chin Cowl. If anyone has one that can part with please
let me know of list.

 kvelez at rochester.rr.com

 

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From lld613 at psci.net  Sun Feb  7 09:47:56 2010
From: lld613 at psci.net (Lisa n Larry)
Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2010 18:47:56 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale: Stylus Tx,
	w/ PCM Rx - Listed on RCU
Message-ID: <000f01caa826$1311d5c0$39358140$@net>

I reduced the price on the add to $275 each.$250 if you are an NSRCA member.

 

If you are a Sportsman or Intermediate Class Pilot and a NSRCA member, I
will sell it at $200 each system w/ two Tx Modules and two 8ch PCM Rx and
includes the Aero/Acro card and a 50 Model Memory Card (your choice of
available channels).

 

Larry Diamond

 

From: Lisa n Larry [mailto:lld613 at psci.net] 
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:42 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: For Sale: Stylus Tx, w/ PCM Rx - Listed on RCU

 

I have listed two Stylus transmitters w/ Tx Module, 8ch PCM Rx, Arco Card,
and a 50 Model Memory Card. Both are in excellent condition.

 

I have a few different channels to choose from. I will be selling additional
8ch PCM Rx's and Transmitter Modules after the transmitters are sold.

 

They have both been serviced by Airtronics last year and the internal
battery was replaced.

 

They are listed at $300 for each system on RCU. I'll consider offers and
would be willing to add a second Tx Module and 8ch PCM Rx for NSRCA folks.

 

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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Mon Feb  8 02:00:29 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 11:00:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Abbra For Sale (PRICE REDUCED)
Message-ID: <0D2F8BD8-A849-479C-A791-FE99E2A888C8@buddengineering.com>

For Sale:

Abbra with -
Hacker C50-14XL
Budd Engineering Electric Soft Mount
Jeti 90 Controller
JR3421SA on Elev
JR9411SA on Aileron
JR8411SA on Rudder
Thunder Power 900 Mah LiPo Rx Battery (new July 2009)
Jaccio Voltage Regulator
APC 20.5 x 14 prop
Fiberglass Spinner
JR Switch w/Charge Jack
(1) True R/C 15C 5000 LiPo battery (used)

This aircraft is ready-to-fly, just add your own receiver and motor  
system battery pack.  The motor was completely rebuilt by Hacker (new  
kevlar-wrapped rotor, new bearings, fresh grease, etc) just before the  
2009 Nats, and has only 25 flights on it since.  The servos have ~ 100  
flights on them.  All up weight is 10 lb, 10 oz with Thunder Power  
5300 batteries.

A perennial US Nationals Masters finalist since 2005, this is a great  
flying aircraft in great condition.  The plane was assembled in June  
2005 and has ~ 450 total flights (I don't practice much!).  It has won  
25+ Masters contests in District 7, placing 2nd in Masters at the 2005  
Nats.  One of the very best rolling airplane designs, this Abbra is  
the best of the best (just ask Dave Lockhart), and is fully  
competitive in the current Masters 2010 patterns.

Aircraft is available for pickup at the Sun Valley Flyers Contest in  
Phoenix, AZ Feb 19-21.  Will ship, but would prefer not to.

Price Reduced - $1750.

Jerry Budd
(661) 435-0358 Cell/Text

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com


From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Mon Feb  8 14:35:40 2010
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2010 23:35:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Bob Fortino
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Anyone have a e-mail for Bob Fortino?

 

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From lodomjr at verizon.net  Mon Feb  8 18:42:53 2010
From: lodomjr at verizon.net (Larry Odom)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:42:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
In-Reply-To: <E4444566-7509-4C97-B14A-0A350D124153@cox.net>
Message-ID: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHOEOCCDAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>

Ok for everyone that is attending the contest here in Lakeland, FL the gate
code to get in is 3234#.  Make sure you hear a tone for each key stroke.
You will need the code to get in and out of the field.

See you soon

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:28 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic


If you insist.

Ron

On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:30 PM, ORLANDO FRETS wrote:

> Ron:
> However, this year please do not overturn the gas can as you did
> last year.
>
>
> Orlando Frets
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron
> Van Putte
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:18 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
>
> Last year, using the flying field's latitude/longitude and
> referring to the
> Lakeland area map and satellite picture, I determined the address
> of the
> entrance of the flying field to be 2899 Old Polk City
> Rd; Lakeland, FL 33809-1738.   Using my GPS device, that address got
> me right to the field entrance.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:50 PM, J Shu wrote:
>
>> I talked with Larry this afternoon, and in case anyone is confused
>> (it
>> really might just be me), the field is closed Friday to club fliers
>> but open to all participants in the pattern contest.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lawrence Odom
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Just a reminder that the Polk Pattern Classic is coming up next
>> weekend February 13th and 14th.  Looks like the weather is going
>> to be
>> good.  Looking forward in seeing everyone.  Oh one more thing the
>> field will be closed all day Friday the 12th so there can be early
>> practice for those coming in on Thursday late.  Any questions you can
>> contact me off list at lodomjr at verizon.net.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Larry
>>
>>
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From rob at koolsoft.com  Mon Feb  8 20:25:40 2010
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 05:25:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 29th Annual Sun Valley Fliers R/C Championships
	Pre-Registration open
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E65244@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

Location:  Phoenix, AZ

Dates:  February 20th & 21st, 2010

Flyer:  http://www.patternflying.net/NewsDetailPage.aspx?ID=76

Pre-Registration page:
http://www.patternflying.net/TempRegistrationPage.aspx

 

- Robert Beaubien

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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  9 03:52:49 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:52:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Bob Fortino
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W188BA0B18EEB0516750AA0A0510@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <317668.60246.qm@web113315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

This is what I have, looks like a work email . . . 

rtfortino at babcock.com

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


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> From: Michael Cohen <precisionaero at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Bob Fortino
> To: "NSRCA" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 6:35 PM
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> Anyone have a e-mail for Bob Fortino?
> 
> ?
> 
> Mike Cohen
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From lodomjr at verizon.net  Wed Feb 10 16:09:50 2010
From: lodomjr at verizon.net (Larry Odom)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:09:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
In-Reply-To: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHOEOCCDAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHCEOKCDAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>

For those that saw the detour post on RCU, well the detour has been lifted.
Tomkow Rd is now open again.  Everyone be careful coming down and we'll see
you guys soon.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Larry Odom
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:43 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic


Ok for everyone that is attending the contest here in Lakeland, FL the gate
code to get in is 3234#.  Make sure you hear a tone for each key stroke.
You will need the code to get in and out of the field.

See you soon

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:28 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic


If you insist.

Ron

On Feb 5, 2010, at 6:30 PM, ORLANDO FRETS wrote:

> Ron:
> However, this year please do not overturn the gas can as you did
> last year.
>
>
> Orlando Frets
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron
> Van Putte
> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 6:18 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
>
> Last year, using the flying field's latitude/longitude and
> referring to the
> Lakeland area map and satellite picture, I determined the address
> of the
> entrance of the flying field to be 2899 Old Polk City
> Rd; Lakeland, FL 33809-1738.   Using my GPS device, that address got
> me right to the field entrance.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Feb 5, 2010, at 4:50 PM, J Shu wrote:
>
>> I talked with Larry this afternoon, and in case anyone is confused
>> (it
>> really might just be me), the field is closed Friday to club fliers
>> but open to all participants in the pattern contest.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lawrence Odom
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:39 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Polk Pattern Classic
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> Just a reminder that the Polk Pattern Classic is coming up next
>> weekend February 13th and 14th.  Looks like the weather is going
>> to be
>> good.  Looking forward in seeing everyone.  Oh one more thing the
>> field will be closed all day Friday the 12th so there can be early
>> practice for those coming in on Thursday late.  Any questions you can
>> contact me off list at lodomjr at verizon.net.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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From dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net  Thu Feb 11 08:24:32 2010
From: dwaynenancy at suddenlink.net (Dwayne Brown)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:24:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] HONEYWELL RPV
Message-ID: <7826A613CE6745BDBC6319A653933EAC@YoursMine>

Interesting UAV from Honeywell using some R/C products.  Dwayne

 

http://machinedesign.com/video/honeywells-hovering-uav-1115

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From jgghome at comcast.net  Thu Feb 11 09:15:43 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:15:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] HONEYWELL RPV
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Back in the early days of this program we had about 10 DA 50s that were 
never used for anything. I tried to get a deal on a couple of them but 
struck out. They are probably still sitting there.
The first engineer in the video is an RC modeler, mainly involved in 
gliders as  I recall.

Thanks for sharing the video

John


Dwayne Brown wrote:
>
> Interesting UAV from Honeywell using some R/C products.  Dwayne
>
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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Thu Feb 11 11:33:34 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 20:33:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] HONEYWELL RPV
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RPV's are revolutionizing the battlefield, as much as Helicopters did.  A friend of mine who flies/instruct/teaches maintenance was doing so in Morocco a few years ago, when the Yemeni's told him about a Volkswagen traversing a dry lake bed in Yemen.  The VW was loaded with known terrorists.  Ted had a bird overhead, and the VW in sight.  The  UAV had a Hellfire loaded on a hardpoint.  Ted was given the go-ahead to fire.  (Ted was seated in a Command and Control Trailer in Morocco, at the time.)
A wire guided missile designed to take out heavily armored tanks, was used on a VW beetle.
The result was deliciously satisfying.
Bill Glaze
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Gayer 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:15 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] HONEYWELL RPV


  Back in the early days of this program we had about 10 DA 50s that were never used for anything. I tried to get a deal on a couple of them but struck out. They are probably still sitting there.
  The first engineer in the video is an RC modeler, mainly involved in gliders as  I recall.

  Thanks for sharing the video

  John


  Dwayne Brown wrote: 
    Interesting UAV from Honeywell using some R/C products.  Dwayne



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From AtwoodDon at aol.com  Thu Feb 11 15:17:45 2010
From: AtwoodDon at aol.com (AtwoodDon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:17:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Black Magic kit for sale (electric version)
Message-ID: <1889e.1dcb6fe9.38a5f812@aol.com>

OK, I admit it, I have too many projects and not enough energy.  So, I  am 
selling my Black Magic electric kit.  
 
Includes:
 
Black Magic V3 Pro kit (electric version) with laminated carbon formers and 
 honeycombed cores
All balsa necessary to finish the sheeting, tips, etc  (purchased from  
Lone Star)
Carbon canopy
Carbon wing tubes
Carbon stab tubes
 
$600 plus shipping
 
Please contact directly for addln information   _atwooddon at aol.com_ 
(mailto:atwooddon at aol.com) 
 
Don Atwood
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From lld613 at psci.net  Thu Feb 11 15:19:14 2010
From: lld613 at psci.net (Lisa n Larry)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:19:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New D4 Contest - ERCMAC to Host - Update
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It's a Go...

The ERCMAC (Evansville, IN) will host a new D4 Pattern contest on July 10th
and 11th. I will submit the sanction for all AMA and FAI classes.

I would like to thank Dave Johnstone for helping to get this pulled
together.

Please let me know if you have any questions...

Hope to see you there,

Larry Diamond
812-630-9592 (Cell)
lld613 at psci.net
AMA 5024 (CD)
NSRCA 3083

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lisa n Larry
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 11:07 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Cc: djohnstone at fuse.net
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New D4 Contest - ERCMAC to Host

All went well at the Evansville Radio Control Model Aircraft Club (ERCMAC)
meeting tonight.

Event Sanction will include 401, 402, 403, 404, and 406 (all AMA classes and
FAI).

The meeting seemed to be timed well, as it was also an election meeting for
the 2010 Club Officers. There were about 60 present out of the 142 active
members. The club sent out an e-mail notification that I was going to
present Pattern and ask for club support to host a Contest. I could not have
asked for a better turnout. I'm sure most were there for the election...vbg

I was allowed time to talk about Pattern and the NSRCA for about 20 minutes.
When all the questions were answered, a club member said, "Lets Do It",
which was followed by a unanimous applause. Very rewarding to see this
support in an area that pattern is really an unknown. I never got to ask for
a vote...LOL

Better news now the easy part is done. I had many members approach me during
breaks showing interest. You never know who will show up to a contest, but I
believe we will have about 4 or 5 minimum try their hand at Sportsman from
our club. I agreed to assist those interested in training and helping them
prepare for the contest over the next few months.

I contacted Dave Johnstone on Sunday (D4 VP). He will work with the D5 and
possibly D3 folks and I to find a date that fits well. Here are some links
for the club for those interested...

The ERCMAC website is:
http://www.evansvillercclub.com/index.htm

Here is a link to an impressive aerial picture taken during the 2004 AMA
Grand Event:
http://www.evansvillercclub.com/evvfield.jpg

I look forward to making this a great Pattern Contest.

I'll keep you posted...

Please feel free to call me or e-mail me...

Larry and Lisa Diamond
AMA 5024
NSRCA 3083
lld613 at psci.net


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From trexlesh at msn.com  Thu Feb 11 17:13:54 2010
From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 02:13:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Black Magic kit for sale (electric version)
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Too many projects?  Now what are you up to?  lol

 

R
 


From: AtwoodDon at aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 19:17:22 -0500
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Black Magic kit for sale (electric version)


OK, I admit it, I have too many projects and not enough energy.  So, I am selling my Black Magic electric kit.  
 
Includes:
 
Black Magic V3 Pro kit (electric version) with laminated carbon formers and honeycombed cores
All balsa necessary to finish the sheeting, tips, etc  (purchased from Lone Star)
Carbon canopy
Carbon wing tubes
Carbon stab tubes
 
$600 plus shipping
 
Please contact directly for addln information   atwooddon at aol.com
 
Don Atwood 		 	   		  
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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Fri Feb 12 08:15:40 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 17:15:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Control Horn Mounting
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA982F6E@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

I've been talking about various control horn mounting techniques with a
few people, and have a question for the list. In the past, I've always
used the Balsa block/dowel hard point/screw/MK horn for control
linkages. More recently, I've seen the technique for inserting a ply
plate in/under the skin of the surface, and simply screwing in to this
with a horn. I prefer this technique, but I've seen it only on electric
build threads so far - strong enough for glow too?

 

Also - Hobby King sells some nice carbon fiber control horns for a very
reasonable price. These horns, however, are of the variety that simply
glue into a slot cut into a balsa block. In the Integral, as an example,
this is used successfully, but a question has been raised as to whether
this works because it is a hard fiberglass skin, or whether it would be
just as strong in the case of a balsa/foam wing with a hard-point of
balsa inserted at the mounting point. To take it a step further, would
it be strong enough in a built-up framed surface, with a block mounted
under the covering as the attachment?

 

Finally - is there a good source for aluminum horns? I really like the
Hyde ones, but it seems they are not available any more? Is anyone
carrying the CA Models horns (Checked F3A Unlimited, but didn't see
them).

 

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From cjm767driver at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 12 09:03:26 2010
From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:03:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Control Horn Mounting
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HI Tim,

We will have the CA Model horns (Hyde)  in a week or so.  I don't have 
the prices yet so they are not listed.  I am also working on getting 
some other aluminum horns like the ZN Lines ones.  The ZN ones are like 
$9 each as as you can imagine, I won't be importing those.  These other 
options are high on my list and I should have some details within 2 weeks.

Chris

Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] wrote:
>
> I've been talking about various control horn mounting techniques with 
> a few people, and have a question for the list. In the past, I've 
> always used the Balsa block/dowel hard point/screw/MK horn for control 
> linkages. More recently, I've seen the technique for inserting a ply 
> plate in/under the skin of the surface, and simply screwing in to this 
> with a horn. I prefer this technique, but I've seen it only on 
> electric build threads so far -- strong enough for glow too?
>
>  
>
> Also -- Hobby King sells some nice carbon fiber control horns for a 
> very reasonable price. These horns, however, are of the variety that 
> simply glue into a slot cut into a balsa block. In the Integral, as an 
> example, this is used successfully, but a question has been raised as 
> to whether this works because it is a hard fiberglass skin, or whether 
> it would be just as strong in the case of a balsa/foam wing with a 
> hard-point of balsa inserted at the mounting point. To take it a step 
> further, would it be strong enough in a built-up framed surface, with 
> a block mounted under the covering as the attachment?
>
>  
>
> Finally -- is there a good source for aluminum horns? I really like 
> the Hyde ones, but it seems they are not available any more? Is anyone 
> carrying the CA Models horns (Checked F3A Unlimited, but didn't see them).
>
>  
>
> Tim Pascoe
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Fri Feb 12 09:21:10 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 18:21:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Control Horn Mounting
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Chris,

What's the latest on the Xigris deliveries?
thanks

MattK






-----Original Message-----
From: Chris <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:02 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Control Horn Mounting


HI Tim,

We will have the CA Model horns (Hyde)  in a week or so.  I don't have the prices yet so they are not listed.  I am also working on getting some other aluminum horns like the ZN Lines ones.  The ZN ones are like $9 each as as you can imagine, I won't be importing those.  These other options are high on my list and I should have some details within 2 weeks.

Chris

Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] wrote: 

I?ve been talking about various control horn mounting techniques with a few people, and have a question for the list. In the past, I?ve always used the Balsa block/dowel hard point/screw/MK horn for control linkages. More recently, I?ve seen the technique for inserting a ply plate in/under the skin of the surface, and simply screwing in to this with a horn. I prefer this technique, but I?ve seen it only on electric build threads so far ? strong enough for glow too?
 
Also ? Hobby King sells some nice carbon fiber control horns for a very reasonable price. These horns, however, are of the variety that simply glue into a slot cut into a balsa block. In the Integral, as an example, this is used successfully, but a question has been raised as to whether this works because it is a hard fiberglass skin, or whether it would be just as strong in the case of a balsa/foam wing with a hard-point of balsa inserted at the mounting point. To take it a step further, would it be strong enough in a built-up framed surface, with a block mounted under the covering as the attachment?
 
Finally ? is there a good source for aluminum horns? I really like the Hyde ones, but it seems they are not available any more? Is anyone carrying the CA Models horns (Checked F3A Unlimited, but didn?t see them).
 
Tim Pascoe 


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From cjm767driver at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 12 12:22:07 2010
From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 21:22:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Control Horn Mounting
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Emailed off list...

rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:
> Chris,
>  
> What's the latest on the Xigris deliveries?
> thanks
>  
> MattK
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 1:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Control Horn Mounting
>
> HI Tim,
>
> We will have the CA Model horns (Hyde)  in a week or so.  I don't have 
> the prices yet so they are not listed.  I am also working on getting 
> some other aluminum horns like the ZN Lines ones.  The ZN ones are 
> like $9 each as as you can imagine, I won't be importing those.  These 
> other options are high on my list and I should have some details 
> within 2 weeks.
>
> Chris
>
> Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] wrote:
>> I?ve been talking about various control horn mounting techniques with 
>> a few people, and have a question for the list. In the past, I?ve 
>> always used the Balsa block/dowel hard point/screw/MK horn for 
>> control linkages. More recently, I?ve seen the technique for 
>> inserting a ply plate in/under the skin of the surface, and simply 
>> screwing in to this with a horn. I prefer this technique, but I?ve 
>> seen it only on electric build threads so far ? strong enough for 
>> glow too?
>>  
>> Also ? Hobby King sells some nice carbon fiber control horns for a 
>> very reasonable price. These horns, however, are of the variety that 
>> simply glue into a slot cut into a balsa block. In the Integral, as 
>> an example, this is used successfully, but a question has been raised 
>> as to whether this works because it is a hard fiberglass skin, or 
>> whether it would be just as strong in the case of a balsa/foam wing 
>> with a hard-point of balsa inserted at the mounting point. To take it 
>> a step further, would it be strong enough in a built-up framed 
>> surface, with a block mounted under the covering as the attachment?
>>  
>> Finally ? is there a good source for aluminum horns? I really like 
>> the Hyde ones, but it seems they are not available any more? Is 
>> anyone carrying the CA Models horns (Checked F3A Unlimited, but 
>> didn?t see them).
>>  
>> Tim Pascoe
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Fri Feb 12 13:35:07 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:35:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight
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Phoenix online.  Target 6 PM to 7 PM.  See you then.
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Fri Feb 12 13:42:06 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2010 22:42:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight
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I will try to joint first time.? I still trying to trim my plane so I want to see how you do it.? I assume that it is eastern time.? Well not sure if I will be able to joint since I am still at work. 


Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

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Phoenix online .? Target 6 PM to 7 PM.? See you then. 
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From schale at optonline.net  Fri Feb 12 15:04:22 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:04:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Fri Feb 12 17:17:13 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:17:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight
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OK,    Not sure if you can read the IM posts on the Pattern flying session, but I put some additional changes to the settings of the Integral.  I'm going to practice some sequences for the next 45 minutes or so. See you there.

Don






-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 12, 2010 7:04 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Practice tonight


Pretty cool, but I can see why you have to password protect it.  The helis just take over :)
One guy from England also had a microphone and that worked really well.
Stuart

On 2/12/2010 5:42 PM, Vicente "Vince" Bortone wrote: 

I will try to joint first time.  I still trying to trim my plane so I want to see how you do it.  I assume that it is eastern time.  Well not sure if I will be able to joint since I am still at work.

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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Phoenix online.  Target 6 PM to 7 PM.  See you then. 
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From rcpilot at wowway.com  Fri Feb 12 18:33:04 2010
From: rcpilot at wowway.com (Ron Hansen)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:33:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
Message-ID: <1639BF4F3F5C481BA23E2EB0D268C763@toshibauser>

I'm in the process of glassing and painting a Focus II.  Why because this
was my first attempt at glassing and painting and I thought this would be a
good test bed.  This will also be my first electric pattern plane.  I knew
going in that making weight would be extra hard in my case.  If I don't make
weight I won't be crushed but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
weights are mostly estimates and I haven't settled on any of the equipment
listed so I'm still open for suggestions.  I will be flying intermediate and
advanced next year.

 

Fuse                                         1453 g

Left Wing                                  469

Right Wing                                445

Canopy                                     185

Cowl                                         135

Elevator Servos(2)                      54

Rudder Servo                             50

Aileron Servos(2)                        100

Receiver                                    22

JR Std. Switch                           22

Pletty                                        567

HV85                                        120

Receiver Bat                              49

Main Bat                                   1344

Wheels                                     35

Std. Glass Gear                         158

Carbon Wing Tube                     47

Tru Turn Aluminum Spinner         72

Misc.                                        ????

 

Total                                         +5327g (11.74 lbs)

 

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From burtona at atmc.net  Fri Feb 12 19:06:14 2010
From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:06:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
In-Reply-To: <1639BF4F3F5C481BA23E2EB0D268C763@toshibauser>
References: <1639BF4F3F5C481BA23E2EB0D268C763@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <00d901caac61$e4177c30$ac467490$@net>

12 ounces is a bunch to lose on this diet. I think you need to look at
losing wood in the fuselage. Cut holes in the firewall, cut holes in the
bottom of the fuselage. You need to do this to get cooling air through the
airframe anyway, Take out all the unneeded wood & foam you can get to. The
airframe doesn't have to be as robust with electric power. CF gear would
save an ounce or so. You may not get to 5KG but whatever you can get out
will make it fly better.

Dave Burton

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:33 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

 

I'm in the process of glassing and painting a Focus II.  Why because this
was my first attempt at glassing and painting and I thought this would be a
good test bed.  This will also be my first electric pattern plane.  I knew
going in that making weight would be extra hard in my case.  If I don't make
weight I won't be crushed but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
weights are mostly estimates and I haven't settled on any of the equipment
listed so I'm still open for suggestions.  I will be flying intermediate and
advanced next year.

 

Fuse                                         1453 g

Left Wing                                  469

Right Wing                                445

Canopy                                     185

Cowl                                         135

Elevator Servos(2)                      54

Rudder Servo                             50

Aileron Servos(2)                        100

Receiver                                    22

JR Std. Switch                           22

Pletty                                        567

HV85                                        120

Receiver Bat                              49

Main Bat                                   1344

Wheels                                     35

Std. Glass Gear                         158

Carbon Wing Tube                     47

Tru Turn Aluminum Spinner         72

Misc.                                        ????

 

Total                                         +5327g (11.74 lbs)

 

Thanks Ron

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From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 12 19:30:50 2010
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:30:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
Message-ID: <8282908.1266035448342.JavaMail.root@wamui-cynical.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

May be plastic or carbon spinner, one ele servo instead of two to eliminates long leads, smaller wheels & pants, carbon wing tube ...

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>
>Sent: Feb 12, 2010 11:06 PM
>To: 'General pattern discussion' <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
>
>12 ounces is a bunch to lose on this diet. I think you need to look at
>losing wood in the fuselage. Cut holes in the firewall, cut holes in the
>bottom of the fuselage. You need to do this to get cooling air through the
>airframe anyway, Take out all the unneeded wood & foam you can get to. The
>airframe doesn't have to be as robust with electric power. CF gear would
>save an ounce or so. You may not get to 5KG but whatever you can get out
>will make it fly better.
>
>Dave Burton
>
> 
>
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
>Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:33 PM
>To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
>
> 
>
>I'm in the process of glassing and painting a Focus II.  Why because this
>was my first attempt at glassing and painting and I thought this would be a
>good test bed.  This will also be my first electric pattern plane.  I knew
>going in that making weight would be extra hard in my case.  If I don't make
>weight I won't be crushed but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
>weights are mostly estimates and I haven't settled on any of the equipment
>listed so I'm still open for suggestions.  I will be flying intermediate and
>advanced next year.
>
> 
>
>Fuse                                         1453 g
>
>Left Wing                                  469
>
>Right Wing                                445
>
>Canopy                                     185
>
>Cowl                                         135
>
>Elevator Servos(2)                      54
>
>Rudder Servo                             50
>
>Aileron Servos(2)                        100
>
>Receiver                                    22
>
>JR Std. Switch                           22
>
>Pletty                                        567
>
>HV85                                        120
>
>Receiver Bat                              49
>
>Main Bat                                   1344
>
>Wheels                                     35
>
>Std. Glass Gear                         158
>
>Carbon Wing Tube                     47
>
>Tru Turn Aluminum Spinner         72
>
>Misc.                                        ????
>
> 
>
>Total                                         +5327g (11.74 lbs)
>
> 
>
>Thanks Ron
>
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Feb 12 19:41:28 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 04:41:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D872181A6DCE30@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

What battery are you using?  My Zippy's (2 Flightmax 5000 5S packs, $42 each) are only 1205gms for the pair.  That saves you 5+ oz right there.  
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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Feb 12 22:33:02 2010
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

I?m in the process of glassing and painting a Focus II.  Why because this was my first attempt at glassing and painting and I thought this would be a good test bed.  This will also be my first electric pattern plane.  I knew going in that making weight would be extra hard in my case.  If I don?t make weight I won?t be crushed but I want to give it my best shot.  The following weights are mostly estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the equipment listed so I?m still open for suggestions.  I will be flying intermediate and advanced next year.

 

Fuse                                         1453 g

Left Wing                                  469

Right Wing                                445

Canopy                                     185

Cowl                                         135

Elevator Servos(2)                      54

Rudder Servo                             50

Aileron Servos(2)                        100

Receiver                                    22

JR Std. Switch                           22

Pletty                                        567

HV85                                        120

Receiver Bat                              49

Main Bat                                   1344

Wheels                                     35

Std. Glass Gear                         158

Carbon Wing Tube                     47

Tru Turn Aluminum Spinner         72

Misc.                                        ????

 

Total                                         +5327g (11.74 lbs)

 

Thanks Ron


From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 12 20:19:00 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:19:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
In-Reply-To: <1639BF4F3F5C481BA23E2EB0D268C763@toshibauser>
References: <1639BF4F3F5C481BA23E2EB0D268C763@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <107472.93726.qm@web113902.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Ron, 

You can lose 175 grams approximately by switching to the TP 5000, or the 5300's. 
Switch to carbon gear,? carbon prop, carbon spinner, lighter wheels, and not trying to push my brand, but the Airtronics ele servos I use, and also the aileron servos I use will save you also. Granted all this stuff will cost you a lot of money (which starts the conversation again about light things costing more than heavy things, lol.. )
I can go into more detail on what you could save, but I'm tired and have to go to bed. Email me if you want more info. I could detail the weights for you. 

Chris 







________________________________
From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 7:33:02 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight


I?m in the process of glassing and painting a Focus II.? Why because this was my first attempt at glassing and painting and I thought this would be a good test bed.? This will also be my first electric pattern plane.? I knew going in that making weight would be extra hard in my case.? If I don?t make weight I won?t be crushed but I want to give it my best shot.? The following weights are mostly estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the equipment listed so I?m still open for suggestions.? I will be flying intermediate and advanced next year.
?
Fuse???????????????????????????? ??????????? 1453 g
Left Wing????????? ??????????????????????? 469
Right Wing??????????????????????????????? 445
Canopy???????????????????????????????????? 185
Cowl???????????????????????????????????????? 135
Elevator Servos(2)????????????????????? 54
Rudder Servo???????????????????????????? 50
Aileron Servos(2)??????????????????????? 100
Receiver??????????????????????????????????? 22
JR Std. Switch?????????????????????????? 22
Pletty??????????????????????????????????????? 567
HV85??????????????????????????????????????? 120
Receiver Bat????????????????????????????? 49
Main Bat?????????????????????????????????? 1344
Wheels???????????????????????????????????? 35
Std. Glass Gear???????????????????????? 158
Carbon Wing Tube???????????????????? 47
Tru Turn Aluminum Spinner???????? 72
Misc.??????????????????????????????????????? ????
?
Total???????????????????????????????????????? +5327g (11.74 lbs)
?
Thanks Ron


      
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From mups1953 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 13 05:45:30 2010
From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 14:45:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
Message-ID: <386776.64502.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

 Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
 On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0

Here's a part of 1 post
? Re: Sickle build 
? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove? 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the thread.
 Things I changed and did.
 PGB wing tube,
 lightest servo's possible
 I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
 I changed to much lighter landing gear.
 I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
 no switch
 800 Mil receiver pack only
 CF prop
 I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
 It ain't easy!!!! Mike
 
 Other ideas.
 Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com
 You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total overkill.
 You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
 Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
 No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
 Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and pretty soon you get there.
 Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
 Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
 You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
 Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
 Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have tail wheels that weight 8 grams.
 You can do it. Good luck, M?


--- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:

> From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> 
> 
> 
>? 
> 
> 
>? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>? 
> 
> 
> 
> I?m in the
> process of glassing and painting a Focus
> II.? Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> and painting and I
> thought this would be a good test bed.? This will also
> be my first
> electric pattern plane.? I knew going in that making
> weight would be extra
> hard in my case.? If I don?t make weight I
> won?t be crushed
> but I want to give it my best shot.? The following
> weights are mostly
> estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the
> equipment listed so I?m
> still open for suggestions.? I will be flying
> intermediate and advanced
> next year.
> 
> ?
> 
> Fuse????????????????????????????
> ???????????
> 1453
> g
> 
> Left
> Wing?????????
> ???????????????????????
> 469
> 
> Right
> Wing???????????????????????????????
> 445
> 
> Canopy????????????????????????????????????
> 185
> 
> Cowl????????????????????????????????????????
> 135
> 
> Elevator
> Servos(2)?????????????????????
> 54
> 
> Rudder
> Servo????????????????????????????
> 50
> 
> Aileron
> Servos(2)???????????????????????
> 100
> 
> Receiver???????????????????????????????????
> 22
> 
> JR Std.
> Switch??????????????????????????
> 22
> 
> Pletty???????????????????????????????????????
> 567
> 
> HV85???????????????????????????????????????
> 120
> 
> Receiver
> Bat?????????????????????????????
> 49
> 
> Main
> Bat??????????????????????????????????
> 1344
> 
> Wheels????????????????????????????????????
> 35
> 
> Std. Glass
> Gear????????????????????????
> 158
> 
> Carbon Wing
> Tube????????????????????
> 47
> 
> Tru Turn
> Aluminum
> Spinner????????
> 72
> 
> Misc.???????????????????????????????????????
> ????
> 
> ?
> 
> Total????????????????????????????????????????
> +5327g
> (11.74 lbs)
> 
> ?
> 
> Thanks
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
>? 
> 
> 
> 
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From AtwoodDon at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 06:30:24 2010
From: AtwoodDon at aol.com (AtwoodDon at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:30:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Black Magic kit - SOLD
Message-ID: <4cd9.4f034697.38a81f7e@aol.com>

Black Magic kit has a new home.  Kit is sold.
 
Don
 
 
In a message dated 2/11/2010 4:17:56 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
AtwoodDon at aol.com writes:

OK, I admit it, I have too many projects and not enough energy.  So,  I am 
selling my Black Magic electric kit.  
 
Includes:
 
Black Magic V3 Pro kit (electric version) with laminated carbon formers  
and honeycombed cores
All balsa necessary to finish the sheeting, tips, etc  (purchased  from 
Lone Star)
Carbon canopy
Carbon wing tubes
Carbon stab tubes
 
$600 plus shipping
 
Please contact directly for addln information   _atwooddon at aol.com_ 
(mailto:atwooddon at aol.com) 
 
Don  Atwood


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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 13 07:23:54 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:23:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
In-Reply-To: <386776.64502.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <386776.64502.qm@web51007.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W624EA26225208EE9C0CBBA04C0@phx.gbl>


The new CC ICE HV80 only weighs 2oz compared to the HV85 at 4+.

.02

RS
 
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:45:27 -0800
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> 
> Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
> On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
> http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0
> 
> Here's a part of 1 post
>   Re: Sickle build 
> ? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove  
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the thread.
> Things I changed and did.
> PGB wing tube,
> lightest servo's possible
> I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
> I changed to much lighter landing gear.
> I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
> no switch
> 800 Mil receiver pack only
> CF prop
> I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
> It ain't easy!!!! Mike
> 
> Other ideas.
> Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com
> You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total overkill.
> You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
> Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
> No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
> Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and pretty soon you get there.
> Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
> Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
> You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
> Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
> Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have tail wheels that weight 8 grams.
> You can do it. Good luck, M?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I?m in the
> > process of glassing and painting a Focus
> > II.  Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> > and painting and I
> > thought this would be a good test bed.  This will also
> > be my first
> > electric pattern plane.  I knew going in that making
> > weight would be extra
> > hard in my case.  If I don?t make weight I
> > won?t be crushed
> > but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
> > weights are mostly
> > estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the
> > equipment listed so I?m
> > still open for suggestions.  I will be flying
> > intermediate and advanced
> > next year.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Fuse                            
> >            
> > 1453
> > g
> > 
> > Left
> > Wing         
> >                        
> > 469
> > 
> > Right
> > Wing                               
> > 445
> > 
> > Canopy                                    
> > 185
> > 
> > Cowl                                        
> > 135
> > 
> > Elevator
> > Servos(2)                     
> > 54
> > 
> > Rudder
> > Servo                            
> > 50
> > 
> > Aileron
> > Servos(2)                       
> > 100
> > 
> > Receiver                                   
> > 22
> > 
> > JR Std.
> > Switch                          
> > 22
> > 
> > Pletty                                       
> > 567
> > 
> > HV85                                       
> > 120
> > 
> > Receiver
> > Bat                             
> > 49
> > 
> > Main
> > Bat                                  
> > 1344
> > 
> > Wheels                                    
> > 35
> > 
> > Std. Glass
> > Gear                        
> > 158
> > 
> > Carbon Wing
> > Tube                    
> > 47
> > 
> > Tru Turn
> > Aluminum
> > Spinner        
> > 72
> > 
> > Misc.                                       
> > ????
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Total                                        
> > +5327g
> > (11.74 lbs)
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
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From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:29:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
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Do the?ICE controllers work with 10S? I see at Hobby?People they list 8S max. 
?
Chris 







________________________________
From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The new CC ICE HV80 only weighs 2oz compared to the HV85 at 4+.
.02
RS
?
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:45:27 -0800
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> 
> Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
> On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
> http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0
> 
> Here's a part of 1 post
> ? Re: Sickle build 
> ? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove? 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the thread.
> Things I changed and did.
> PGB wing tube,
> lightest servo's possible
> I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
> I changed to much lighter landing gear.
> I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
> no switch
> 800 Mil receiver pack only
> CF prop
> I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
> It ain't easy!!!! Mike
> 
> Other ideas.
> Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com
> You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total overkill.
> You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
> Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
> No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
> Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and pretty soon you get there.
> Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
> Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
> You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
> Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
> Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have tail wheels that weight 8 grams.
> You can do it. Good luck, M?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I?m in the
> > process of glassing and painting a Focus
> > II.? Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> > and painting and I
> > thought this would be a good test bed.? This will also
> > be my first
> > electric pattern plane.? I knew going in that making
> > weight would be extra
> > hard in my case.? If I don?t make weight I
> > won?t be crushed
> > but I want to give it my best shot.? The following
> > weights are mostly
> > estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the
> > equipment listed so I?m
> > still open for suggestions.? I will be flying
> > intermediate and advanced
> > next year.
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Fuse????????????????????????????
> > ???????????
> > 1453
> > g
> > 
> > Left
> > Wing?????????
> > ???????????????????????
> > 469
> > 
> > Right
> > Wing???????????????????????????????
> > 445
> > 
> > Canopy????????????????????????????????????
> > 185
> > 
> > Cowl????????????????????????????????????????
> > 135
> > 
> > Elevator
> > Servos(2)?????????????????????
> > 54
> > 
> > Rudder
> > Servo????????????????????????????
> > 50
> > 
> > Aileron
> > Servos(2)???????????????????????
> > 100
> > 
> > Receiver???????????????????????????????????
> > 22
> > 
> > JR Std.
> > Switch??????????????????????????
> > 22
> > 
> > Pletty???????????????????????????????????????
> > 567
> > 
> > HV85???????????????????????????????????????
> > 120
> > 
> > Receiver
> > Bat?????????????????????????????
> > 49
> > 
> > Main
> > Bat??????????????????????????????????
> > 1344
> > 
> > Wheels????????????????????????????????????
> > 35
> > 
> > Std. Glass
> > Gear????????????????????????
> > 158
> > 
> > Carbon Wing
> > Tube????????????????????
> > 47
> > 
> > Tru Turn
> > Aluminum
> > Spinner????????
> > 72
> > 
> > Misc.???????????????????????????????????????
> > ????
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Total????????????????????????????????????????
> > +5327g
> > (11.74 lbs)
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From cjm767driver at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 13 07:35:19 2010
From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris Moon)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:35:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
In-Reply-To: <768223.9728.qm@web113907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP744F242B98002033053E33834C0@phx.gbl>

The ice 80HV is what he wants. It does 12S. ?The listed weight of 2oz is without wires and I think is just over 3oz with wires unless you find a way to make it work without wires???


Chris



-- Sent from my Palm Pre
krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:


Do the?ICE controllers work with 10S? I see at Hobby?People they list 8S max. 
?
Chris 
?
?
?






From: Richard Strickland &lt;pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight



The new CC ICE HV80 only weighs 2oz compared to the HV85 at 4+.
02
RS
?
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:45:27 -0800
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> 
> Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
> On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
> http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0
> 
> Here's a part of 1 post
> ? Re: Sickle build 
> ? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove? 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the
 thread.
> Things I changed and did.
> PGB wing tube,
> lightest servo's possible
> I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
> I changed to much lighter landing gear.
> I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
> no switch
> 800 Mil receiver pack only
> CF prop
> I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
> It ain't easy!!!! Mike
> 
> Other ideas.
> Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com
> You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total overkill.
> You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
> Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
> No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
> Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and
 pretty soon you get there.
> Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
> Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
> You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
> Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
> Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have tail wheels that weight 8 grams.
> You can do it. Good luck, M?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen &lt;rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ron Hansen &lt;rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> > To:
 nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I?m in the
> > process of glassing and painting a Focus
> > II.? Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> > and painting and I
> > thought this would be a good test bed.? This will also
> > be my first
> > electric pattern plane.? I knew going in that making
> > weight would be extra
> > hard in my case.? If I don?t make weight I
> > won?t be crushed
> > but I want to give it my best shot.? The following
> > weights are mostly
> > estimates
 and I haven?t settled on any of the
> > equipment listed so I?m
> > still open for suggestions.? I will be flying
> > intermediate and advanced
> > next year.
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Fuse????????????????????????????
> > ???????????
> > 1453
> > g
> > 
> > Left
> > Wing?????????
> > ???????????????????????
> > 469
> > 
> > Right
> >
 Wing???????????????????????????????
> > 445
> > 
> > Canopy????????????????????????????????????
> > 185
> > 
> > Cowl????????????????????????????????????????
> > 135
> > 
> > Elevator
> > Servos(2)?????????????????????
> >
 54
> > 
> > Rudder
> > Servo????????????????????????????
> > 50
> > 
> > Aileron
> > Servos(2)???????????????????????
> > 100
> > 
> > Receiver???????????????????????????????????
> > 22
> > 
> > JR Std.
> > Switch??????????????????????????
> > 22
> > 
>
 > Pletty???????????????????????????????????????
> > 567
> > 
> > HV85???????????????????????????????????????
> > 120
> > 
> > Receiver
> > Bat?????????????????????????????
> > 49
> > 
> > Main
> >
 Bat??????????????????????????????????
> > 1344
> > 
> > Wheels????????????????????????????????????
> > 35
> > 
> > Std. Glass
> > Gear????????????????????????
> > 158
> > 
> > Carbon Wing
> > Tube????????????????????
> > 47
> > 
> > Tru Turn
> > Aluminum
>
 > Spinner????????
> > 72
> > 
> > Misc.???????????????????????????????????????
> > ????
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Total????????????????????????????????????????
> > +5327g
> > (11.74 lbs)
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> >
 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion



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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 13 07:38:20 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 16:38:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
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Message-ID: <531590.47114.qm@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Chris, I think you are on to something. A wireless controller! 
?
Chris 







________________________________
From: Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:35:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The ice 80HV is what he wants. It does 12S. ?The listed weight of 2oz is without wires and I think is just over 3oz with wires unless you find a way to make it work without wires???


Chris



-- Sent from my Palm Pre

________________________________
krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:


Do the?ICE controllers work with 10S? I see at Hobby?People they list 8S max. 
?
Chris 







________________________________
From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The new CC ICE HV80 only weighs 2oz compared to the HV85 at 4+.
.02
RS
?
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:45:27 -0800
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> 
> Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
> On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
> http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0
> 
> Here's a part of 1 post
> ? Re: Sickle build 
> ? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove? 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the thread.
> Things I changed and did.
> PGB wing tube,
> lightest servo's possible
> I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
> I changed to much lighter landing gear.
> I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
> no switch
> 800 Mil receiver pack only
> CF prop
> I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
> It ain't easy!!!! Mike
> 
> Other ideas.
> Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com
> You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total overkill.
> You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
> Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
> No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
> Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and pretty soon you get there.
> Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
> Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
> You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
> Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
> Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have tail wheels that weight 8 grams
> You can do it. Good luck, M?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I?m in the
> > process of glassing and painting a Focus
> > II.? Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> > and painting and I
> > thought this would be a good test bed.? This will also
> > be my first
> > electric pattern plane.? I knew going in that making
> > weight would be extra
> > hard in my case.? If I don?t make weight I
> > won?t be crushed
> > but I want to give it my best shot.? The following
> > weights are mostly
> > estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the
> > equipment listed so I?m
> > still open for suggestions.? I will be flying
> > intermediate and advanced
> > next year.
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Fuse????????????????????????????
> > ???????????
> > 1453
> > g
> > 
> > Left
> > Wing?????????
> > ???????????????????????
> > 469
> > 
> > Right
> > Wing???????????????????????????????
> > 445
> > 
> > Canopy????????????????????????????????????
> > 185
> > 
> > Cowl????????????????????????????????????????
> > 135
> > 
> > Elevator
> > Servos(2)?????????????????????
> > 54
> > 
> > Rudder
> > Servo????????????????????????????
> > 50
> > 
> > Aileron
> > Servos(2)???????????????????????
> > 100
> > 
> > Receiver???????????????????????????????????
> > 22
> > 
> > JR Std.
> > Switch??????????????????????????
> > 22
> > 
> > Pletty???????????????????????????????????????
> > 567
> > 
> > HV85???????????????????????????????????????
> > 120
> > 
> > Receiver
> > Bat?????????????????????????????
> > 49
> > 
> > Main
> > Bat??????????????????????????????????
> > 1344
> > 
> > Wheels????????????????????????????????????
> > 35
> > 
> > Std. Glass
> > Gear????????????????????????
> > 158
> > 
> > Carbon Wing
> > Tube????????????????????
> > 47
> > 
> > Tru Turn
> > Aluminum
> > Spinner????????
> > 72
> > 
> > Misc.???????????????????????????????????????
> > ????
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Total????????????????????????????????????????
> > +5327g
> > (11.74 lbs)
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 13 08:03:08 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:03:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
In-Reply-To: <531590.47114.qm@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <BLU0-SMTP744F242B98002033053E33834C0@phx.gbl>,
	<531590.47114.qm@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W903A9A6C8939DA913F775A04C0@phx.gbl>


I haven't weighed my HV85s--but the lit says 4.2oz with no statement about wires whereas the ICE HV 80 states 2 oz without.  Certainly worth checking in my spare time...  But you could for sure pick up 1+oz for around 150.00 plus you get data logging.  Costs to "add lightness", huh!?
RS 


Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:38:19 -0800
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
To: cjm767driver at hotmail.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight






Chris, I think you are on to something. A wireless controller! 
 
Chris 
 
 
 






From: Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:35:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The ice 80HV is what he wants. It does 12S.  The listed weight of 2oz is without wires and I think is just over 3oz with wires unless you find a way to make it work without wires???


Chris




-- Sent from my Palm Pre


krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:




Do the ICE controllers work with 10S? I see at Hobby People they list 8S max. 
 
Chris 
 
 
 






From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The new CC ICE HV80 only weighs 2oz compared to the HV85 at 4+.
.02
RS
 
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:45:27 -0800
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> 
> Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
> On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
> http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0
> 
> Here's a part of 1 post
>   Re: Sickle build 
> ? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove  
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the thread.
> Things I changed and did.
> PGB wing tube,
> lightest servo's possible
> I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
> I changed to much lighter landing gear.
> I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
> no switch
> 800 Mil receiver pack only
> CF prop
> I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
> It ain't easy!!!! Mike
> 
> Other ideas.
> Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com
> You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total overkill.
> You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
> Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
> No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
> Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and pretty soon you get there.
> Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
> Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
> You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
> Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
> Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have tail wheels that weight 8 grams
> You can do it. Good luck, M?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I?m in the
> > process of glassing and painting a Focus
> > II.  Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> > and painting and I
> > thought this would be a good test bed.  This will also
> > be my first
> > electric pattern plane.  I knew going in that making
> > weight would be extra
> > hard in my case.  If I don?t make weight I
> > won?t be crushed
> > but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
> > weights are mostly
> > estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the
> > equipment listed so I?m
> > still open for suggestions.  I will be flying
> > intermediate and advanced
> > next year.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Fuse                            
> >            
> > 1453
> > g
> > 
> > Left
> > Wing         
> >                        
> > 469
> > 
> > Right
> > Wing                               
> > 445
> > 
> > Canopy                                    
> > 185
> > 
> > Cowl                                        
> > 135
> > 
> > Elevator
> > Servos(2)                     
> > 54
> > 
> > Rudder
> > Servo                            
> > 50
> > 
> > Aileron
> > Servos(2)                       
> > 100
> > 
> > Receiver                                   
> > 22
> > 
> > JR Std.
> > Switch                          
> > 22
> > 
> > Pletty                                       
> > 567
> > 
> > HV85                                       
> > 120
> > 
> > Receiver
> > Bat                             
> > 49
> > 
> > Main
> > Bat                                  
> > 1344
> > 
> > Wheels                                    
> > 35
> > 
> > Std. Glass
> > Gear                        
> > 158
> > 
> > Carbon Wing
> > Tube                    
> > 47
> > 
> > Tru Turn
> > Aluminum
> > Spinner        
> > 72
> > 
> > Misc.                                       
> > ????
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Total                                        
> > +5327g
> > (11.74 lbs)
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Sat Feb 13 08:11:27 2010
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:11:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W903A9A6C8939DA913F775A04C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP744F242B98002033053E33834C0@phx.gbl>,
	<531590.47114.qm@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BAY128-W903A9A6C8939DA913F775A04C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <025E3C34F2694B36BB34247DC59E5E89@davedesktop>

Yes, stock Phoenix 85HV with wires is about 4.2 oz, and the new Phoenix 80HV
ICE is about 3.7, and can be reduced to about 2.5 by shortening the wires.

 

The Phoenix ICE Lite are good for 6S (with BEC).

 

The Phoenix ICE are good for 8S (with BEC).

 

The Phoenix ICE HV are good for 12S (no BEC, separate power to RX required).

 

Regards,

 

Dave Lockhart

Team Castle Creations

 

 

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Strickland
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:03 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

 

I haven't weighed my HV85s--but the lit says 4.2oz with no statement about
wires whereas the ICE HV 80 states 2 oz without.  Certainly worth checking
in my spare time...  But you could for sure pick up 1+oz for around 150.00
plus you get data logging.  Costs to "add lightness", huh!?
RS 

  _____  

Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:38:19 -0800
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
To: cjm767driver at hotmail.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

Chris, I think you are on to something. A wireless controller! 
 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:35:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The ice 80HV is what he wants. It does 12S.  The listed weight of 2oz is
without wires and I think is just over 3oz with wires unless you find a way
to make it work without wires???


Chris






-- Sent from my Palm Pre





  _____  

krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:

Do the ICE controllers work with 10S? I see at Hobby People they list 8S
max. 
 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

 

  _____  

From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The new CC ICE HV80 only weighs 2oz compared to the HV85 at 4+.
.02
RS
 
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:45:27 -0800
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> 
> Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
> On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the
Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to
make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
> http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0
> 
> Here's a part of 1 post
>   Re: Sickle build 
> ? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove  
> 
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
----
> 
> Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the thread.
> Things I changed and did.
> PGB wing tube,
> lightest servo's possible
> I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
> I changed to much lighter landing gear.
> I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
> no switch
> 800 Mil receiver pack only
> CF prop
> I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
> It ain't easy!!!! Mike
> 
> Other ideas.
> Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com
<http://f3aunlimited.com/> 
> You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total
overkill.
> You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced
too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
> Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
> No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
> Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and pretty soon you get
there.
> Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The
Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
> Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
> You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and
a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
> Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel
full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
> Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight
materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have
tail wheels that weight 8 grams
> You can do it. Good luck, M?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I?m in the
> > process of glassing and painting a Focus
> > II.  Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> > and painting and I
> > thought this would be a good test bed.  This will also
> > be my first
> > electric pattern plane.  I knew going in that making
> > weight would be extra
> > hard in my case.  If I don?t make weight I
> > won?t be crushed
> > but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
> > weights are mostly
> > estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the
> > equipment listed so I?m
> > still open for suggestions.  I will be flying
> > intermediate and advanced
> > next year.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Fuse                            
> >            
> > 1453
> > g
> > 
> > Left
> > Wing         
> >                        
> > 469
> > 
> > Right
> > Wing                               
> > 445
> > 
> > Canopy                                    
> > 185
> > 
> > Cowl                                        
> > 135
> > 
> > Elevator
> > Servos(2)                     
> > 54
> > 
> > Rudder
> > Servo                            
> > 50
> > 
> > Aileron
> > Servos(2)                       
> > 100
> > 
> > Receiver                                   
> > 22
> > 
> > JR Std.
> > Switch                          
> > 22
> > 
> > Pletty                                       
> > 567
> > 
> > HV85                                       
> > 120
> > 
> > Receiver
> > Bat                             
> > 49
> > 
> > Main
> > Bat                                  
> > 1344
> > 
> > Wheels                                    
> > 35
> > 
> > Std. Glass
> > Gear                        
> > 158
> > 
> > Carbon Wing
> > Tube                    
> > 47
> > 
> > Tru Turn
> > Aluminum
> > Spinner        
> > 72
> > 
> > Misc.                                       
> > ????
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Total                                        
> > +5327g
> > (11.74 lbs)
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Ron
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Sat Feb 13 08:16:47 2010
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:16:47 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
In-Reply-To: <1639BF4F3F5C481BA23E2EB0D268C763@toshibauser>
References: <1639BF4F3F5C481BA23E2EB0D268C763@toshibauser>
Message-ID: <7B95FA2B0106462C95C00B35F3D3C2CB@davedesktop>

Ron,

 

If you are buying the radio equipment from scratch.....you could definitely
save some weight going with smaller/lighter/newer servo/RX options -

40 grams - JR 378 elevator servos

80 grams - JR 9411 aileron servos

10 grams - Spektrum AR6200 RX

This equates to 46 grams savings on radio gear (compared to more traditional
weights, which you listed), and if you eliminated the switch, you could save
another 20 grams (would still need a 3" extension from the RX to the RX
batt).

 

~40 grams saving with CF spinner (exactly which one depends on exactly what
size the Focus II needs).

~15 grams saving using Dubro Super Light 2.5" wheels.

~30 grams saving shortening the leads on the ESC (unless you need the full
length of the stock wiring).

 

So now it is around 150 grams saved.  Still a long way to go.

 

1344 grams for the motor lipo is a HUGE amount of weight.  Assuming that is
a very robust 30C 50000, consider dropping to a similar 4000, and save 20%
lipo weight (270 grams).  4000 mah is plenty for Int/Adv, and it would put
you at about 4900 grams, plus whatever Misc not yet accounted for in your
numbers.  Things like prop, servo extensions, linkages, nuts/bolts, etc are
easily another 125 grams, and glassing/painting isn't going to happen for 25
grams (unless you've already added an estimated amount to your numbers).

 

914 grams for wings is extremely heavy (if unpainted and without
servos/linkages)...replacing them (along with the above) is probably your
only option to stay <5000 grams, unless you opt for something like a TP PL
V2 3900, which would save ~440 grams (and just might be cheaper than CF
spinner, CF landing, new radio components, etc).

 

Regards,


Dave Lockhart

Team Horizon / JR / Spektrum / ThunderPower / Castle Creations

 

 

 

 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Hansen
Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 10:33 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

 

I'm in the process of glassing and painting a Focus II.  Why because this
was my first attempt at glassing and painting and I thought this would be a
good test bed.  This will also be my first electric pattern plane.  I knew
going in that making weight would be extra hard in my case.  If I don't make
weight I won't be crushed but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
weights are mostly estimates and I haven't settled on any of the equipment
listed so I'm still open for suggestions.  I will be flying intermediate and
advanced next year.

 

Fuse                                         1453 g

Left Wing                                  469

Right Wing                                445

Canopy                                     185

Cowl                                         135

Elevator Servos(2)                      54

Rudder Servo                             50

Aileron Servos(2)                        100

Receiver                                    22

JR Std. Switch                           22

Pletty                                        567

HV85                                        120

Receiver Bat                              49

Main Bat                                   1344

Wheels                                     35

Std. Glass Gear                         158

Carbon Wing Tube                     47

Tru Turn Aluminum Spinner         72

Misc.                                        ????

 

Total                                         +5327g (11.74 lbs)

 

Thanks Ron

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 13 08:47:06 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 17:47:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
In-Reply-To: <025E3C34F2694B36BB34247DC59E5E89@davedesktop>
References: <BLU0-SMTP744F242B98002033053E33834C0@phx.gbl>, ,
	<531590.47114.qm@web113915.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<BAY128-W903A9A6C8939DA913F775A04C0@phx.gbl>,
	<025E3C34F2694B36BB34247DC59E5E89@davedesktop>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W218D4AACAEA0FD0F345312A04C0@phx.gbl>


Since it's a Kansas Company, we've found that if you apply a little Jayhawk sticker on the side of your airplane--it flies better,  Particularly this time of year...
RS 


From: DaveL322 at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:07:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight









Yes, stock Phoenix 85HV with wires is about 4.2 oz, and the new Phoenix 80HV ICE is about 3.7, and can be reduced to about 2.5 by shortening the wires.
 
The Phoenix ICE Lite are good for 6S (with BEC).
 
The Phoenix ICE are good for 8S (with BEC).
 
The Phoenix ICE HV are good for 12S (no BEC, separate power to RX required).
 
Regards,
 
Dave Lockhart
Team Castle Creations
 
 
 




From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:03 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
 
I haven't weighed my HV85s--but the lit says 4.2oz with no statement about wires whereas the ICE HV 80 states 2 oz without.  Certainly worth checking in my spare time...  But you could for sure pick up 1+oz for around 150.00 plus you get data logging.  Costs to "add lightness", huh!?
RS 



Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 08:38:19 -0800
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
To: cjm767driver at hotmail.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight


Chris, I think you are on to something. A wireless controller! 
 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

 




From: Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:35:09 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The ice 80HV is what he wants. It does 12S.  The listed weight of 2oz is without wires and I think is just over 3oz with wires unless you find a way to make it work without wires???


Chris






-- Sent from my Palm Pre






krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:


Do the ICE controllers work with 10S? I see at Hobby People they list 8S max. 
 

Chris 

 

 

 

 

 




From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The new CC ICE HV80 only weighs 2oz compared to the HV85 at 4+.
.02
RS
 
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:45:27 -0800
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> 
> Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
> On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
> http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0
> 
> Here's a part of 1 post
>   Re: Sickle build 
> ? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove  
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the thread.
> Things I changed and did.
> PGB wing tube,
> lightest servo's possible
> I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
> I changed to much lighter landing gear.
> I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
> no switch
> 800 Mil receiver pack only
> CF prop
> I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
> It ain't easy!!!! Mike
> 
> Other ideas.
> Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com
> You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total overkill.
> You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
> Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
> No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
> Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and pretty soon you get there.
> Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
> Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
> You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
> Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
> Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have tail wheels that weight 8 grams
> You can do it. Good luck, M?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I?m in the
> > process of glassing and painting a Focus
> > II.  Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> > and painting and I
> > thought this would be a good test bed.  This will also
> > be my first
> > electric pattern plane.  I knew going in that making
> > weight would be extra
> > hard in my case.  If I don?t make weight I
> > won?t be crushed
> > but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
> > weights are mostly
> > estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the
> > equipment listed so I?m
> > still open for suggestions.  I will be flying
> > intermediate and advanced
> > next year.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Fuse                            
> >            
> > 1453
> > g
> > 
> > Left
> > Wing         
> >                        
> > 469
> > 
> > Right
> > Wing                               
> > 445
> > 
> > Canopy                                    
> > 185
> > 
> > Cowl                                        
> > 135
> > 
> > Elevator
> > Servos(2)                     
> > 54
> > 
> > Rudder
> > Servo                            
> > 50
> > 
> > Aileron
> > Servos(2)                       
> > 100
> > 
> > Receiver                                   
> > 22
> > 
> > JR Std.
> > Switch                          
> > 22
> > 
> > Pletty                                       
> > 567
> > 
> > HV85                                       
> > 120
> > 
> > Receiver
> > Bat                             
> > 49
> > 
> > Main
> > Bat                                  
> > 1344
> > 
> > Wheels                                    
> > 35
> > 
> > Std. Glass
> > Gear                        
> > 158
> > 
> > Carbon Wing
> > Tube                    
> > 47
> > 
> > Tru Turn
> > Aluminum
> > Spinner        
> > 72
> > 
> > Misc.                                       
> > ????
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Total                                        
> > +5327g
> > (11.74 lbs)
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From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 09:08:58 2010
From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:08:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
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Wireless?  LOL

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Chris Moon
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 8:35 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

 

The ice 80HV is what he wants. It does 12S.  The listed weight of 2oz is without wires and I think is just over 3oz with wires unless you find a way to make it work without wires???


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From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 8:23:52 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight

The new CC ICE HV80 only weighs 2oz compared to the HV85 at 4+.
.02
RS
 
> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:45:27 -0800
> From: mups1953 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> 
> Ron that's a chunk to lose. It can be done but it gets costly.
> On Chris Moon's ElectricF3a Forums there is a building thread of the Sickle's from last spring. I had to shave about a pound off the Fatboy to make weight. I did it at a pretty expensive cost but I did it just the same.
> http://electric-f3a.com/smf/index.php?topic=52.0
> 
> Here's a part of 1 post
>   Re: Sickle build 
> ? Reply #79 on: November 09, 2009, 06:30:19 AM ? Quote Modify Remove  
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Wow that's a big question. I think it's covered in the thread.
> Things I changed and did.
> PGB wing tube,
> lightest servo's possible
> I shaved of 5 ounces from the inside of the fuse mostly the nose.
> I changed to much lighter landing gear.
> I used a YGE controller to save 2 ounces
> no switch
> 800 Mil receiver pack only
> CF prop
> I have the weight down to 10lbs 15.5 ounces.
> It ain't easy!!!! Mike
> 
> Other ideas.
> Consider the smaller AXI motor info on F3AUnlimited.com <http://f3aunlimited.com/> 
> You do not need a full size Pletty in that plane for advanced. It's total overkill.
> You can drop your lipo's down to 4500 mil or even smaller for advanced too. This could save up to 8 ounces.
> Maybe the new Spin 75 ESC at 2 ounces.
> No spinner just a rounded nut. It allows better cooling and works great.
> Wheels,pants and axles add up. Think in grams and pretty soon you get there.
> Servos. I ran 3421's MG!!!! in the ailerons without any problems. The Airtronics wing servos are .8 ounce and do the job too.
> Linkages, wires all add up and need to be as short as possible.
> You can drop your receiver lipo down to as low as a 460 Mil. No switch and a Jaccio light weight 6V regulator only.
> Receivers come extrememly light now. I have a new Airtronics 6 channel full range that would fly a pattern plane that weighs under 10 grams.
> Cut all un needed structure out of the airframe. Use light weight materials like CF balsa trays. Watch the weight of all your hardware. I have tail wheels that weight 8 grams
> You can do it. Good luck, M?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Ron Hansen <rcpilot at wowway.com>
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
> > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:33 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I?m in the
> > process of glassing and painting a Focus
> > II.  Why because this was my first attempt at glassing
> > and painting and I
> > thought this would be a good test bed.  This will also
> > be my first
> > electric pattern plane.  I knew going in that making
> > weight would be extra
> > hard in my case.  If I don?t make weight I
> > won?t be crushed
> > but I want to give it my best shot.  The following
> > weights are mostly
> > estimates and I haven?t settled on any of the
> > equipment listed so I?m
> > still open for suggestions.  I will be flying
> > intermediate and advanced
> > next year.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Fuse                            
> >            
> > 1453
> > g
> > 
> > Left
> > Wing         
> >                        
> > 469
> > 
> > Right
> > Wing                               
> > 445
> > 
> > Canopy                                    
> > 185
> > 
> > Cowl                                        
> > 135
> > 
> > Elevator
> > Servos(2)                     
> > 54
> > 
> > Rudder
> > Servo                            
> > 50
> > 
> > Aileron
> > Servos(2)                       
> > 100
> > 
> > Receiver                                   
> > 22
> > 
> > JR Std.
> > Switch                          
> > 22
> > 
> > Pletty                                       
> > 567
> > 
> > HV85                                       
> > 120
> > 
> > Receiver
> > Bat                             
> > 49
> > 
> > Main
> > Bat                                  
> > 1344
> > 
> > Wheels                                    
> > 35
> > 
> > Std. Glass
> > Gear                        
> > 158
> > 
> > Carbon Wing
> > Tube                    
> > 47
> > 
> > Tru Turn
> > Aluminum
> > Spinner        
> > 72
> > 
> > Misc.                                       
> > ????
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Total                                        
> > +5327g
> > (11.74 lbs)
> > 
> >  
> > 
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> > Ron
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From schale at optonline.net  Sat Feb 13 09:34:39 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 18:34:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Help Me Loose Weight
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sat Feb 13 13:26:54 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 22:26:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Phoenix simulator Pattern plane setup
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Settings for Phoenix typical pattern plane setup.

Posted some specs at http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_9483979/tm.htm
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From stephens89 at att.net  Sat Feb 13 14:24:20 2010
From: stephens89 at att.net (Gary Stephens)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:24:20 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for belly pans
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Hello.
 
I am looking for belly pans for the 60  2stroke size Aurora MK airplane and 
the PA-2 60 size 2stroke airplane in any condition.
 
I am also looking for header pipes for a YS 60 RE engine for the LA-1
pattern airplane
in any condition.
 
Thanks
Gary Stephens
630 992-0226 cell
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From larryj2305 at aol.com  Sat Feb 13 14:55:17 2010
From: larryj2305 at aol.com (larryj2305 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 23:55:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for belly pans
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Gary Stephens <stephens89 at att.net> wrote:

> 
>Hello.
> 
>I am looking for belly pans for the 60  2stroke size Aurora MK airplane and 
>the PA-2 60 size 2stroke airplane in any condition.
> 
>I am also looking for header pipes for a YS 60 RE engine for the LA-1
>pattern airplane
>in any condition.
> 
>Thanks
>Gary Stephens
>630 992-0226 cell
>stephens89 at att.net
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From cchariandy at yahoo.ca  Sat Feb 13 20:53:30 2010
From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 05:53:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 anyone?
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Anyone know where I can find an Element 30?
?
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From brett.terry at gmail.com  Sat Feb 13 23:57:44 2010
From: brett.terry at gmail.com (brett terry)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 08:57:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 anyone?
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It is out of stock everywhere in the US, but is available here last time I
checked:
http://www.sdshobby.com/element-30e-f3a-electric-power-airplane-p-1100.html.
Email them for prices.  They are very friendly and eager to serve, but
shipping can be a bit expensive when crossing the pacific.



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From cchariandy at yahoo.ca  Sun Feb 14 02:31:18 2010
From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 11:31:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 anyone?
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Thanks much...I sent them an inquiry.
?
Colin

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From: brett terry <brett.terry at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 anyone?
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Received: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 3:57 AM


It is out of stock everywhere in the US, but is available here last time I checked:? http://www.sdshobby.com/element-30e-f3a-electric-power-airplane-p-1100.html.?? Email them for prices.? They are very friendly and eager to serve, but shipping can be a bit expensive when crossing the pacific.




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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 14 05:17:59 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 14:17:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Free Focus landing gear
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I just found two (2) left landing gear that were originally for a Focus II.  These are the carbon fiber gear legs, not the heavy FG gear.  They a curved, sweptback gear leg design.  Both are unused, though one was trimmed very slightly at the end of the mounting area.  If you can use these, they're yours for the shipping cost.  I would guess it's around $6.

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From juliorca at juno.com  Sun Feb 14 06:00:28 2010
From: juliorca at juno.com (juliorca at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:00:28 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Free Focus landing gear
Message-ID: <20100214.095842.18313.0@webmail15.vgs.untd.com>

Ed,
I would like to get them if they are still available. Please let me where to send the money. Thank you.

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To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Free Focus landing gear
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:17:55 -0500


I just found two (2) left landing gear that were originally for a Focus II.  These are the carbon fiber gear legs, not the heavy FG gear.  They a curved, sweptback gear leg design.  Both are unused, though one was trimmed very slightly at the end of the mounting area.  If you can use these, they're yours for the shipping cost.  I would guess it's around $6. Ed
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 14 06:33:08 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:33:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Free Focus landing gear
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Focus Gear is spoken for.


From: juliorca at juno.com 
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:58 AM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Free Focus landing gear


Ed,

I would like to get them if they are still available. Please let me where to send the money. Thank you.

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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Free Focus landing gear
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:17:55 -0500



I just found two (2) left landing gear that were originally for a Focus II.  These are the carbon fiber gear legs, not the heavy FG gear.  They a curved, sweptback gear leg design.  Both are unused, though one was trimmed very slightly at the end of the mounting area.  If you can use these, they're yours for the shipping cost.  I would guess it's around $6.

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From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 14 06:49:36 2010
From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano)
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:49:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale
Message-ID: <COL123-W1761140BB43521F4BF2CA5E24B0@phx.gbl>


Cleaning out the work shop to fund the 2010 contest season. All shipped conus.
 
OS 1.60 Package        - $250
 - About 60 flights but sitting for a long time may need a bearing 
Includes
Stock muffler - used
Hatori Wrap around header - used
Perry Pump - NIB 
Budd soft mount - New (mounted never run)
Also, includes DB spinner adapter, TT spinner adapter and light prop nuts
 
Airtronics Infinity 660 PCM TX   $60 
Well maintained w/ good battery and spare case
 
Hacker A30-10L     $30 
needs new prop adapter

Jeti Eco 12  NIP       $15 
 
(2) Futaba 148 RX      $40 ea
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From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com  Mon Feb 15 04:33:26 2010
From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 13:33:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale revision
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The Transmitter is sold. The engine already has EFI pressure tap installed.

 

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To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 10:49:34 -0500
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale



Cleaning out the work shop to fund the 2010 contest season. All shipped conus.
 
OS 1.60 Package        - $250
 - About 60 flights but sitting for a long time may need a bearing 
Includes
Stock muffler - used
Hatori Wrap around header - used
Perry Pump - NIB 
Budd soft mount - New (mounted never run)
Also, includes DB spinner adapter, TT spinner adapter and light prop nuts
 
Airtronics Infinity 660 PCM TX   $60 
Well maintained w/ good battery and spare case
 
Hacker A30-10L     $30 
needs new prop adapter

Jeti Eco 12  NIP       $15 
 
(2) Futaba 148 RX      $40 ea
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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Mon Feb 15 08:46:53 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:46:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Abbra For Sale (ADDITIONAL PRICE REDUCTION)
Message-ID: <FE9B0BEA-A67B-4A9F-923B-9D7B2CD6EF7D@buddengineering.com>

For Sale:

Abbra with -
Hacker C50-14XL
Budd Engineering Electric Soft Mount
Jeti 90 Controller
JR3421SA on Elev
JR9411SA on Aileron
JR8411SA on Rudder
Thunder Power 900 Mah LiPo Rx Battery (new July 2009)
Jaccio Voltage Regulator
APC 20.5 x 14 prop
Fiberglass Spinner
JR Switch w/Charge Jack

This aircraft is ready-to-fly, just add your own receiver and motor  
system battery pack.  The motor was completely rebuilt by Hacker (new  
kevlar-wrapped rotor, new bearings, fresh grease, etc) just before the  
2009 Nats, and has only 25 flights on it since.  The servos have ~ 100  
flights on them.  All up weight is 10 lb, 10 oz with Thunder Power  
5300 batteries.

A perennial US Nationals Masters finalist since 2005, this is a great  
flying aircraft in great condition.  The plane was assembled in June  
2005 and has ~ 450 total flights (I don't practice much!).  It has won  
25+ Masters contests in District 7, placing 2nd in Masters at the 2005  
Nats.  One of the very best rolling airplane designs, this Abbra is  
the best of the best (just ask Dave Lockhart), and is fully  
competitive in the current Masters 2010 patterns.

Aircraft is available for pickup at the Sun Valley Flyers Contest in  
Phoenix, AZ Feb 19-21.  Will ship, or drive a reasonable distance to  
meet/deliver.

Price Reduced - $1650.

Jerry Budd
(661) 435-0358 Cell/Text

Budd Engineering
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From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Mon Feb 15 11:37:18 2010
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:37:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for YS .63
In-Reply-To: <FE9B0BEA-A67B-4A9F-923B-9D7B2CD6EF7D@buddengineering.com>
Message-ID: <1555d0$4t203o@dmzms99801.na.baesystems.com>

Anyone have a YS .63S they are looking to get rid of?
Jim


From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Mon Feb 15 18:53:42 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 03:53:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>


I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a Perry VP30 pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about the mounting instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow nipples are mounted horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm finding it tough to get a place near the engine where I can mount it this way.

1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the fuse behind the firewall by 4-5 inches)?
2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the engine?

Thanks,

Tim 

From bob at toprudder.com  Mon Feb 15 20:05:13 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:05:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
Message-ID: <635880.37825.qm@web1103.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here). Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will be using for pattern and for IMAC.
?
Thanks in advance,
?
Bob R.
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From wemodels at cox.net  Mon Feb 15 20:15:59 2010
From: wemodels at cox.net (Bill's Email)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:15:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <635880.37825.qm@web1103.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
References: <635880.37825.qm@web1103.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B7A2A01.208@cox.net>

Bob Richards wrote:
> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here). Have 
> been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff already. 
> I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are the 
> differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will be using 
> for pattern and for IMAC.
>  
> Thanks in advance,
>  
> Bob R.
>  
>
 

This could help:

http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/feature-compare.html

You can do a side by side comparison. ALso, they have different gimbals, 
a different case material, different battery types.




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From rob at koolsoft.com  Mon Feb 15 20:43:26 2010
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:43:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <635880.37825.qm@web1103.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
References: <635880.37825.qm@web1103.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E65324@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

I have the 12Z.  Here are the major differences between them.

 

12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.

12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg uses
a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without special (free)
software from Futaba.

12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)

 

They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.  Basically
comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z, otherwise, get the
12FG.  Virtually the same radio for a lot less.

 

- Robert Beaubien

- NSRCA District 7 Webmaster

-

"No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob
Richards
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG

 

Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here). Have
been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff already. I'm
interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are the differences, why
would you buy one over the other, etc. Will be using for pattern and for
IMAC.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Bob R.

 

 

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From rforbus at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 16 01:32:14 2010
From: rforbus at hotmail.com (Randy Forbus)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:32:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <COL118-W49840C83BA58CC3A8DBD80A2490@phx.gbl>


I mounted mine on the engine box on my Focus
 
> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:53:39 -0500
> From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
> 
> 
> I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a Perry VP30 pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about the mounting instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow nipples are mounted horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm finding it tough to get a place near the engine where I can mount it this way.
> 
> 1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the fuse behind the firewall by 4-5 inches)?
> 2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the engine?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tim 
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Tue Feb 16 04:09:36 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:09:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <8CC7D205903CD85-248C-B90E@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>


 I've mounted them in all kinds of ways and never had a problem.  After all, your plane will be in all kinds of attitudes when it is flying!

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 9:53 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question



I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a Perry VP30 
pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about the mounting 
instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow nipples are mounted 
horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm finding it tough to get a 
place near the engine where I can mount it this way.

1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the fuse behind 
the firewall by 4-5 inches)?
2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the engine?

Thanks,

Tim 
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From humptybump at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 16 05:00:58 2010
From: humptybump at sbcglobal.net (Richard Lewis)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:00:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
In-Reply-To: <8CC7D205903CD85-248C-B90E@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
	<8CC7D205903CD85-248C-B90E@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <440483.11369.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The small vent hole is the atmoshpheric pressure reference that balances the regulator in the pump.? The Perry pump is primarily marketed for surface use and the instructions are written with that in mind.? If the vent faces down in a surface application it is less likely to fill with dirt and cause the regualator in the pump to malfunction.? In an aircraft application, you still want the vent to remian free of obstruction at all times, but?it is unlikely to?stop up with dirt, so?orientation is not?as important.

IMO - Distance from the engine is not critical in a pumped setup.? In a regulator arrangement like Kline, it is critical since the carb draws fuel from the regulator, but not in the pumped setup.? That being said, mine have generally been placed close to the engine.? I did have one setup with the pump behind the firewall.??It?had 6 inches or so of fuel line between the pump and carb and operated just like any other setup I used.? Some people use/experiment with a bypass arrangement wihich allows the excess pumped fuel to return the tank and the bypass tee for this needs to be very close to the carb.? We never had much luck with this setup?though.? It worked, but was a hassle and did not seem to offer any advantage over the straight pumped arrangement.

Richard?




________________________________
From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 7:09:03 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question

I've mounted them in all kinds of ways and never had a problem.? After all, your plane will be in all kinds of attitudes when it is flying!


Jon Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 9:53 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question




I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a Perry VP30 

pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about the mounting 

instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow nipples are mounted 

horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm finding it tough to get a 

place near the engine where I can mount it this way.



1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the fuse behind 

the firewall by 4-5 inches)?

2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the engine?



Thanks,



Tim 

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From jim.woodward at baesystems.com  Tue Feb 16 05:39:32 2010
From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA))
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:39:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E65324@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <b1392c$3b6t90@dmzms99902.na.baesystems.com>

I have the 14 MZ and 12 FG.  I actually fly the 12FG more lately, because I threw everything into it besides pattern or IMAC.  Helis (90 sized CCPM), and Raptor 50, various foamies.  The 12 FG programming and overall mix functions is VERY CLOSE to the 12Z and 14MZ.  While I love the 14, I've gotten used to the 12FG case feel.  For the money - the 12FG offers TREMENDOUS programming capability.

If you like metal case, go with the 12Z.  If you want to save $$, get the 12 FG.
Thanks,
Jim W.
Team Futaba


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Robert L. Beaubien
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 11:43 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG

I have the 12Z.  Here are the major differences between them.

12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without special (free) software from Futaba.
12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)

They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.  Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z, otherwise, get the 12FG.  Virtually the same radio for a lot less.

- Robert Beaubien
- NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
-
"No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG

Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here). Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will be using for pattern and for IMAC.

Thanks in advance,

Bob R.



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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 16 06:03:31 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:03:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
In-Reply-To: <440483.11369.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>,
	<8CC7D205903CD85-248C-B90E@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>,
	<440483.11369.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W10D6E6E30B2E2D583DEB8CA0490@phx.gbl>


We wore a Supra-Fly 60 out with one mounted on the firewall. It owed us nuthin'.

RS
 


Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 06:00:56 -0800
From: humptybump at sbcglobal.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question





The small vent hole is the atmoshpheric pressure reference that balances the regulator in the pump.  The Perry pump is primarily marketed for surface use and the instructions are written with that in mind.  If the vent faces down in a surface application it is less likely to fill with dirt and cause the regualator in the pump to malfunction.  In an aircraft application, you still want the vent to remian free of obstruction at all times, but it is unlikely to stop up with dirt, so orientation is not as important.
 
IMO - Distance from the engine is not critical in a pumped setup.  In a regulator arrangement like Kline, it is critical since the carb draws fuel from the regulator, but not in the pumped setup.  That being said, mine have generally been placed close to the engine.  I did have one setup with the pump behind the firewall.  It had 6 inches or so of fuel line between the pump and carb and operated just like any other setup I used.  Some people use/experiment with a bypass arrangement wihich allows the excess pumped fuel to return the tank and the bypass tee for this needs to be very close to the carb.  We never had much luck with this setup though.  It worked, but was a hassle and did not seem to offer any advantage over the straight pumped arrangement.
 
Richard 





From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 7:09:03 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question


I've mounted them in all kinds of ways and never had a problem.  After all, your plane will be in all kinds of attitudes when it is flying!



Jon Lowe




-----Original Message-----
From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 9:53 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question




I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a Perry VP30 

pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about the mounting 

instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow nipples are mounted 

horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm finding it tough to get a 

place near the engine where I can mount it this way.



1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the fuse behind 

the firewall by 4-5 inches)?

2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the engine?



Thanks,



Tim 

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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Tue Feb 16 06:16:33 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 15:16:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
In-Reply-To: <440483.11369.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca><8CC7D205903CD85-248C-B90E@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>
	<440483.11369.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA983008@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

Thanks for all the replies. Seems I can mount it anywhere within reason,
and go fly! I've seen some schematics of the flow return option, but it
does seem to be more hassle if I don't need it.

 

Tim Pascoe 

________________________________

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 9:01 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question

 

The small vent hole is the atmoshpheric pressure reference that balances
the regulator in the pump.  The Perry pump is primarily marketed for
surface use and the instructions are written with that in mind.  If the
vent faces down in a surface application it is less likely to fill with
dirt and cause the regualator in the pump to malfunction.  In an
aircraft application, you still want the vent to remian free of
obstruction at all times, but it is unlikely to stop up with dirt, so
orientation is not as important.

 

IMO - Distance from the engine is not critical in a pumped setup.  In a
regulator arrangement like Kline, it is critical since the carb draws
fuel from the regulator, but not in the pumped setup.  That being said,
mine have generally been placed close to the engine.  I did have one
setup with the pump behind the firewall.  It had 6 inches or so of fuel
line between the pump and carb and operated just like any other setup I
used.  Some people use/experiment with a bypass arrangement wihich
allows the excess pumped fuel to return the tank and the bypass tee for
this needs to be very close to the carb.  We never had much luck with
this setup though.  It worked, but was a hassle and did not seem to
offer any advantage over the straight pumped arrangement.

 

Richard 

 

________________________________

From: Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Tue, February 16, 2010 7:09:03 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question

I've mounted them in all kinds of ways and never had a problem.  After
all, your plane will be in all kinds of attitudes when it is flying!

 

Jon Lowe

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Mon, Feb 15, 2010 9:53 pm
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question






I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a Perry
VP30 




pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about the
mounting 




instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow nipples are
mounted 




horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm finding it tough to
get a 




place near the engine where I can mount it this way.









1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the
fuse behind 




the firewall by 4-5 inches)?




2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the
engine?









Thanks,









Tim 




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From bob at toprudder.com  Tue Feb 16 09:08:55 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:08:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E65324@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>
Message-ID: <15043.66276.qm@web1103.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Thanks guys.
?
On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me to the 12Z is the "logic for switches".? I think I used this feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know if it is something that I would ever really need.
?
I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well as the lack of conditions.
?
Bob R.


--- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:


From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM








I have the 12Z.? Here are the major differences between them.
?
12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without special (free) software from Futaba.
12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)
?
They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.? Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z, otherwise, get the 12FG.? Virtually the same radio for a lot less.
?
- Robert Beaubien
- NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
-
"No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
?

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
?





Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here). Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will be using for pattern and for IMAC.

?

Thanks in advance,

?

Bob R.

?
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Tue Feb 16 09:32:25 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:32:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
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Bob, I went through the same thing you are doing and I finally talked to Steve Helms.  I ended up buying the 14MZ and am very happy I did.  I remember wrestling with the idea of spending $1000 for the 9Z way back when, but when I look at what it cost in dollars per year it was a very good deal. The radio is a very small part of the total cost of the hobby.  Just add up the cost of driving to and from the flying site.  At a buck a mile that far exceeds the difference in the price of  radio control systems.  I see folks with 20 low cost radios who would never think about spending the same total on one high performance system.  I'd rather have one that is as good as I can buy.

Your very old friend, Jim


On Feb 16, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Bob Richards wrote:

> Thanks guys.
>  
> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me to the 12Z is the "logic for switches".  I think I used this feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know if it is something that I would ever really need.
>  
> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well as the lack of conditions.
>  
> Bob R.
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM
> 
> I have the 12Z.  Here are the major differences between them.
> 
>  
> 12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
> 
> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without special (free) software from Futaba.
> 
> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)
> 
>   
> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.  Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z, otherwise, get the 12FG.  Virtually the same radio for a lot less.
> 
>   
> - Robert Beaubien
> 
> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
> 
> -
> 
> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
> 
>   
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
> 
>  
> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here). Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will be using for pattern and for IMAC.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
>  
> 
> Bob R.
> 
>  
> 
>  
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> 
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From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:37:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Feb 16 09:48:52 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 18:48:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
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I have done mods on two 2-cell 2200 mah lipo packs (I removed the  
heavy power leads and added a battery connector that plugs in) for my  
Futaba 12 FG.  The packs last forever and I have another in my  
transmitter case if one gets low.

I also contacted Evan Chapkis at RCAccessory and he is coming out  
with a 2-cell 2600 mah lipo pack which will plug right into a Futaba  
12 FG or the new Hitec Aurora 9 2.4 GHz transmitter.

Ron Van Putte

On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> The 10C uses the same stick assemblies as the 9C did.  The 12FG is  
> step up in stick assemblies.  Ball bearings and very smooth.  Uses  
> the same encoders as the 12Z and 14MZ  No angle adjustments.  The  
> 12Z and 14MZ use the same sticks.  adjustable angles (never used it  
> myself) metal shafts instead of the plastic ones in the 12 FG.   
> Otherwise pretty much the same.  One other benifit to the Z radios  
> is the lithium ion battery.  Much easier to swap at the field,  
> holds its charge, and you can buy a Sony replacement at Best Buy :)
> If you are buying new keep in mind that a used 12Z is usually less  
> than a new 12FG
> Check Ebay (personal plug, I have one there now :) )
> If money were no issue than I would get a 14MZ, If money is a  
> concern and I wanted a new radio I would probably go for the FG.
> Stuart
>
> On 2/16/2010 1:08 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys.
>>
>> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me  
>> to the 12Z is the "logic for switches".  I think I used this  
>> feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know if  
>> it is something that I would ever really need.
>>
>> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the  
>> sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well as  
>> the lack of conditions.
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM
>>
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>> I have the 12Z.  Here are the major differences between them.
>>
>>
>> 12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
>>
>> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg  
>> uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without  
>> special (free) software from Futaba.
>>
>> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)
>>
>>
>> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.   
>> Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z,  
>> otherwise, get the 12FG.  Virtually the same radio for a lot less.
>>
>>
>> - Robert Beaubien
>>
>> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
>>
>> -
>>
>> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a  
>> large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>>
>>
>> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here).  
>> Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff  
>> already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are  
>> the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will  
>> be using for pattern and for IMAC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Wed Feb 17 05:09:03 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:09:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
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Just a heads up on the lithium ion batteries for the 12Z and 14MZ. I
recently picked up 3 for $20 a piece on E-Bay (from China). Came in the
original Sony packaging complete with little 'official' hologram. I
think with shipping it came to $22 a pack. WAY cheaper than Best Buy!

Tim Pascoe 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:52 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG

I have done mods on two 2-cell 2200 mah lipo packs (I removed the  
heavy power leads and added a battery connector that plugs in) for my  
Futaba 12 FG.  The packs last forever and I have another in my  
transmitter case if one gets low.

I also contacted Evan Chapkis at RCAccessory and he is coming out  
with a 2-cell 2600 mah lipo pack which will plug right into a Futaba  
12 FG or the new Hitec Aurora 9 2.4 GHz transmitter.

Ron Van Putte

On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> The 10C uses the same stick assemblies as the 9C did.  The 12FG is  
> step up in stick assemblies.  Ball bearings and very smooth.  Uses  
> the same encoders as the 12Z and 14MZ  No angle adjustments.  The  
> 12Z and 14MZ use the same sticks.  adjustable angles (never used it  
> myself) metal shafts instead of the plastic ones in the 12 FG.   
> Otherwise pretty much the same.  One other benifit to the Z radios  
> is the lithium ion battery.  Much easier to swap at the field,  
> holds its charge, and you can buy a Sony replacement at Best Buy :)
> If you are buying new keep in mind that a used 12Z is usually less  
> than a new 12FG
> Check Ebay (personal plug, I have one there now :) )
> If money were no issue than I would get a 14MZ, If money is a  
> concern and I wanted a new radio I would probably go for the FG.
> Stuart
>
> On 2/16/2010 1:08 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys.
>>
>> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me  
>> to the 12Z is the "logic for switches".  I think I used this  
>> feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know if  
>> it is something that I would ever really need.
>>
>> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the  
>> sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well as  
>> the lack of conditions.
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM
>>
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>> I have the 12Z.  Here are the major differences between them.
>>
>>
>> 12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
>>
>> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg  
>> uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without  
>> special (free) software from Futaba.
>>
>> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)
>>
>>
>> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.   
>> Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z,  
>> otherwise, get the 12FG.  Virtually the same radio for a lot less.
>>
>>
>> - Robert Beaubien
>>
>> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
>>
>> -
>>
>> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a  
>> large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>>
>>
>> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here).  
>> Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff  
>> already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are  
>> the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will  
>> be using for pattern and for IMAC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion  
>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// 
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From wemodels at cox.net  Wed Feb 17 05:23:25 2010
From: wemodels at cox.net (Bill's Email)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:23:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98309F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
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	<7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98309F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <4B7BFBDB.10204@cox.net>

Hologram or not, the Chinese are the masters of counterfeiting products. 
For $20 more I get mine from Amazon.

Pascoe,Tim [Burlington] wrote:
> Just a heads up on the lithium ion batteries for the 12Z and 14MZ. I
> recently picked up 3 for $20 a piece on E-Bay (from China). Came in the
> original Sony packaging complete with little 'official' hologram. I
> think with shipping it came to $22 a pack. WAY cheaper than Best Buy!
>
> Tim Pascoe 
>
>   


From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Wed Feb 17 05:48:02 2010
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 14:48:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98309F@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <0D1C239D9FCF415F88DBCBA8460F858D@jaysdesktop>

I did the same thing for my laptop battery. Lasted two months. I don't buy
ebay batteries from China any more.

Jay Marshall

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
[Burlington]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:09 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG

Just a heads up on the lithium ion batteries for the 12Z and 14MZ. I
recently picked up 3 for $20 a piece on E-Bay (from China). Came in the
original Sony packaging complete with little 'official' hologram. I
think with shipping it came to $22 a pack. WAY cheaper than Best Buy!

Tim Pascoe 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:52 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG

I have done mods on two 2-cell 2200 mah lipo packs (I removed the  
heavy power leads and added a battery connector that plugs in) for my  
Futaba 12 FG.  The packs last forever and I have another in my  
transmitter case if one gets low.

I also contacted Evan Chapkis at RCAccessory and he is coming out  
with a 2-cell 2600 mah lipo pack which will plug right into a Futaba  
12 FG or the new Hitec Aurora 9 2.4 GHz transmitter.

Ron Van Putte

On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:

> The 10C uses the same stick assemblies as the 9C did.  The 12FG is  
> step up in stick assemblies.  Ball bearings and very smooth.  Uses  
> the same encoders as the 12Z and 14MZ  No angle adjustments.  The  
> 12Z and 14MZ use the same sticks.  adjustable angles (never used it  
> myself) metal shafts instead of the plastic ones in the 12 FG.   
> Otherwise pretty much the same.  One other benifit to the Z radios  
> is the lithium ion battery.  Much easier to swap at the field,  
> holds its charge, and you can buy a Sony replacement at Best Buy :)
> If you are buying new keep in mind that a used 12Z is usually less  
> than a new 12FG
> Check Ebay (personal plug, I have one there now :) )
> If money were no issue than I would get a 14MZ, If money is a  
> concern and I wanted a new radio I would probably go for the FG.
> Stuart
>
> On 2/16/2010 1:08 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>
>> Thanks guys.
>>
>> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me  
>> to the 12Z is the "logic for switches".  I think I used this  
>> feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know if  
>> it is something that I would ever really need.
>>
>> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the  
>> sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well as  
>> the lack of conditions.
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM
>>
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>> I have the 12Z.  Here are the major differences between them.
>>
>>
>> 12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
>>
>> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg  
>> uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without  
>> special (free) software from Futaba.
>>
>> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)
>>
>>
>> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.   
>> Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z,  
>> otherwise, get the 12FG.  Virtually the same radio for a lot less.
>>
>>
>> - Robert Beaubien
>>
>> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
>>
>> -
>>
>> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a  
>> large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>>
>>
>> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here).  
>> Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff  
>> already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are  
>> the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will  
>> be using for pattern and for IMAC.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob R.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
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From ejhaury at comcast.net  Wed Feb 17 06:00:53 2010
From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 15:00:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <0D1C239D9FCF415F88DBCBA8460F858D@jaysdesktop>
References: <0D1C239D9FCF415F88DBCBA8460F858D@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <FFAD8977C52C4231B0867C2B9D716934@EarlPC>

FWIW, I disassembled both an old Futaba 14MZ TX pack and an "official" Sony 
pack purchased from Amazon. Both acquired about 3 years ago and service life 
was similar. Both contained the same Sony cells,  there are circuit boards 
in the packs that are different - not surprising as they're for different 
applications. However, the circuit board assembly in the "Sony" pack was 
terrible - really sloppy component installation and soldering. My guess is 
that, although the pack appeared to be official "Sony", it was a copy and 
not something I really want in my TX.

Given the uncertainty of obtaining real Sony packs, I'll stick with the 
Futaba packs (everything in the one I disassembled was quality) and consider 
the $0.30 or so a flight a minor cost of participation.

Earl
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG


>I did the same thing for my laptop battery. Lasted two months. I don't buy
> ebay batteries from China any more.
>
> Jay Marshall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
> [Burlington]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
>
> Just a heads up on the lithium ion batteries for the 12Z and 14MZ. I
> recently picked up 3 for $20 a piece on E-Bay (from China). Came in the
> original Sony packaging complete with little 'official' hologram. I
> think with shipping it came to $22 a pack. WAY cheaper than Best Buy!
>
> Tim Pascoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
> Putte
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:52 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>
> I have done mods on two 2-cell 2200 mah lipo packs (I removed the
> heavy power leads and added a battery connector that plugs in) for my
> Futaba 12 FG.  The packs last forever and I have another in my
> transmitter case if one gets low.
>
> I also contacted Evan Chapkis at RCAccessory and he is coming out
> with a 2-cell 2600 mah lipo pack which will plug right into a Futaba
> 12 FG or the new Hitec Aurora 9 2.4 GHz transmitter.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>> The 10C uses the same stick assemblies as the 9C did.  The 12FG is
>> step up in stick assemblies.  Ball bearings and very smooth.  Uses
>> the same encoders as the 12Z and 14MZ  No angle adjustments.  The
>> 12Z and 14MZ use the same sticks.  adjustable angles (never used it
>> myself) metal shafts instead of the plastic ones in the 12 FG.
>> Otherwise pretty much the same.  One other benifit to the Z radios
>> is the lithium ion battery.  Much easier to swap at the field,
>> holds its charge, and you can buy a Sony replacement at Best Buy :)
>> If you are buying new keep in mind that a used 12Z is usually less
>> than a new 12FG
>> Check Ebay (personal plug, I have one there now :) )
>> If money were no issue than I would get a 14MZ, If money is a
>> concern and I wanted a new radio I would probably go for the FG.
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 2/16/2010 1:08 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks guys.
>>>
>>> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me
>>> to the 12Z is the "logic for switches".  I think I used this
>>> feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know if
>>> it is something that I would ever really need.
>>>
>>> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the
>>> sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well as
>>> the lack of conditions.
>>>
>>> Bob R.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM
>>>
>>> <!-- #yiv705898668 _filtered #yiv705898668 {font-family:"Cambria
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>>> I have the 12Z.  Here are the major differences between them.
>>>
>>>
>>> 12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
>>>
>>> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg
>>> uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without
>>> special (free) software from Futaba.
>>>
>>> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)
>>>
>>>
>>> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.
>>> Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z,
>>> otherwise, get the 12FG.  Virtually the same radio for a lot less.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Robert Beaubien
>>>
>>> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a
>>> large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>>>
>>>
>>> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here).
>>> Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff
>>> already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are
>>> the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will
>>> be using for pattern and for IMAC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob R.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion
>>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://
>>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Wed Feb 17 07:31:26 2010
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:31:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <FFAD8977C52C4231B0867C2B9D716934@EarlPC>
Message-ID: <455929.90338.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I believe in saving money as much as anyone but when it comes to the battery in my transmitter - uh, maybe it's worth a little extra to have something that you can count on. If the battery dies while you're flying - was it worth saving 50 - 60 dollars? How much is your plane worth? That would be like putting re-treaded tires on your new Mercedes.
?
Most of the Chinese made clone stuff stuff is junk.?I don't know about the "real" Sony packs - I've heard that they're petty good but I use the only the factory Futaba packs in my 12Z.?I save money elsewhere. :)
?
John Pavlick

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net> wrote:


From: Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:00 AM


FWIW, I disassembled both an old Futaba 14MZ TX pack and an "official" Sony 
pack purchased from Amazon. Both acquired about 3 years ago and service life 
was similar. Both contained the same Sony cells,? there are circuit boards 
in the packs that are different - not surprising as they're for different 
applications. However, the circuit board assembly in the "Sony" pack was 
terrible - really sloppy component installation and soldering. My guess is 
that, although the pack appeared to be official "Sony", it was a copy and 
not something I really want in my TX.

Given the uncertainty of obtaining real Sony packs, I'll stick with the 
Futaba packs (everything in the one I disassembled was quality) and consider 
the $0.30 or so a flight a minor cost of participation.

Earl
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG


>I did the same thing for my laptop battery. Lasted two months. I don't buy
> ebay batteries from China any more.
>
> Jay Marshall
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
> [Burlington]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:09 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
>
> Just a heads up on the lithium ion batteries for the 12Z and 14MZ. I
> recently picked up 3 for $20 a piece on E-Bay (from China). Came in the
> original Sony packaging complete with little 'official' hologram. I
> think with shipping it came to $22 a pack. WAY cheaper than Best Buy!
>
> Tim Pascoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
> Putte
> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:52 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>
> I have done mods on two 2-cell 2200 mah lipo packs (I removed the
> heavy power leads and added a battery connector that plugs in) for my
> Futaba 12 FG.? The packs last forever and I have another in my
> transmitter case if one gets low.
>
> I also contacted Evan Chapkis at RCAccessory and he is coming out
> with a 2-cell 2600 mah lipo pack which will plug right into a Futaba
> 12 FG or the new Hitec Aurora 9 2.4 GHz transmitter.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
>
>> The 10C uses the same stick assemblies as the 9C did.? The 12FG is
>> step up in stick assemblies.? Ball bearings and very smooth.? Uses
>> the same encoders as the 12Z and 14MZ? No angle adjustments.? The
>> 12Z and 14MZ use the same sticks.? adjustable angles (never used it
>> myself) metal shafts instead of the plastic ones in the 12 FG.
>> Otherwise pretty much the same.? One other benifit to the Z radios
>> is the lithium ion battery.? Much easier to swap at the field,
>> holds its charge, and you can buy a Sony replacement at Best Buy :)
>> If you are buying new keep in mind that a used 12Z is usually less
>> than a new 12FG
>> Check Ebay (personal plug, I have one there now :) )
>> If money were no issue than I would get a 14MZ, If money is a
>> concern and I wanted a new radio I would probably go for the FG.
>> Stuart
>>
>> On 2/16/2010 1:08 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks guys.
>>>
>>> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT sway me
>>> to the 12Z is the "logic for switches".? I think I used this
>>> feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't know if
>>> it is something that I would ever really need.
>>>
>>> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of the
>>> sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as well as
>>> the lack of conditions.
>>>
>>> Bob R.
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM
>>>
>>> <!-- #yiv705898668 _filtered #yiv705898668 {font-family:"Cambria
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>>> #yiv705898668 .MsoChpDefault {} _filtered #yiv705898668 {margin:
>>> 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv705898668 div.Section1 {} -->
>>> I have the 12Z.? Here are the major differences between them.
>>>
>>>
>>> 12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
>>>
>>> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card, the 12Fg
>>> uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc without
>>> special (free) software from Futaba.
>>>
>>> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as the 14MZ)
>>>
>>>
>>> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.
>>> Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the 12Z,
>>> otherwise, get the 12FG.? Virtually the same radio for a lot less.
>>>
>>>
>>> - Robert Beaubien
>>>
>>> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a
>>> large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-
>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
>>>
>>>
>>> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks here).
>>> Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST stuff
>>> already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What are
>>> the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc. Will
>>> be using for pattern and for IMAC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob R.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion
>>> mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://
>>> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From wemodels at cox.net  Wed Feb 17 07:42:15 2010
From: wemodels at cox.net (Bill's Email)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:42:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <455929.90338.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <455929.90338.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B7C1C65.5030606@cox.net>

For anyone that is interested, email me offline and I will send you a 
recent discharge test I did comparing my OEM (5-year old) Futaba pack, a 
5 year old Sony, a 1 year old Sony and a brand new Sony. All done in my 
14MZ.

When I ran the new Futaba against the new Sony back in 2005 they 
performed nearly identically. The older packs have dropped off, the 
Futaba more than the Sony.








From scott at rcfoamy.com  Wed Feb 17 07:44:17 2010
From: scott at rcfoamy.com (scott at rcfoamy.com)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:44:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <455929.90338.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <FFAD8977C52C4231B0867C2B9D716934@EarlPC><455929.90338.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <711525155-1266425032-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1144702959-@bda489.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Drink less beer !!!

Scott
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

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From: John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 08:31:24 
To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG

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From jferrell13 at triad.rr.com  Wed Feb 17 07:44:51 2010
From: jferrell13 at triad.rr.com (John Ferrell)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:44:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <5C250B1AF6AB465994072082F4540E11@xppro2>

The length of the line to the crank case is critical. Closer is better. And 
don't even think of using standard fuel line for that line.

John Ferrell  W8CCW

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."
-Edward R. Murrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:53 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question


>
> I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a Perry 
> VP30 pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about the 
> mounting instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow nipples 
> are mounted horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm finding 
> it tough to get a place near the engine where I can mount it this way.
>
> 1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the fuse 
> behind the firewall by 4-5 inches)?
> 2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the 
> engine?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Wed Feb 17 07:45:18 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:45:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
In-Reply-To: <455929.90338.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <FFAD8977C52C4231B0867C2B9D716934@EarlPC>
	<455929.90338.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA9830D2@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

I'll have to take a closer look. Not sure the extra $20 on Amazon would
necessarily guarantee you don't get a clone either. True the batter
isn't necessarily the best place to save money - it was just anther
option. I'll be doing closer inspections before I fly them in a big
plane, but for the foamies this winter, it's a great deal.

 

Tim Pascoe 



________________________________

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
Pavlick
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:31 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG

 

I believe in saving money as much as anyone but when it comes to the
battery in my transmitter - uh, maybe it's worth a little extra to have
something that you can count on. If the battery dies while you're flying
- was it worth saving 50 - 60 dollars? How much is your plane worth?
That would be like putting re-treaded tires on your new Mercedes.

 

Most of the Chinese made clone stuff stuff is junk. I don't know about
the "real" Sony packs - I've heard that they're petty good but I use the
only the factory Futaba packs in my 12Z. I save money elsewhere. :)

 

John Pavlick

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net> wrote:

	
	From: Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net>
	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs
12FG
	To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
	Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2010, 10:00 AM

	FWIW, I disassembled both an old Futaba 14MZ TX pack and an
"official" Sony 
	pack purchased from Amazon. Both acquired about 3 years ago and
service life 
	was similar. Both contained the same Sony cells,  there are
circuit boards 
	in the packs that are different - not surprising as they're for
different 
	applications. However, the circuit board assembly in the "Sony"
pack was 
	terrible - really sloppy component installation and soldering.
My guess is 
	that, although the pack appeared to be official "Sony", it was a
copy and 
	not something I really want in my TX.
	
	Given the uncertainty of obtaining real Sony packs, I'll stick
with the 
	Futaba packs (everything in the one I disassembled was quality)
and consider 
	the $0.30 or so a flight a minor cost of participation.
	
	Earl
	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=lightfoot at sc.rr.com> >
	To: "'General pattern discussion'"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsr
ca.org> >
	Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 8:47 AM
	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs
12FG
	
	
	>I did the same thing for my laptop battery. Lasted two months.
I don't buy
	> ebay batteries from China any more.
	>
	> Jay Marshall
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at l
ists.nsrca.org> 
	> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at l
ists.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
	> [Burlington]
	> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:09 AM
	> To: General pattern discussion
	> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs
12FG
	>
	> Just a heads up on the lithium ion batteries for the 12Z and
14MZ. I
	> recently picked up 3 for $20 a piece on E-Bay (from China).
Came in the
	> original Sony packaging complete with little 'official'
hologram. I
	> think with shipping it came to $22 a pack. WAY cheaper than
Best Buy!
	>
	> Tim Pascoe
	>
	> -----Original Message-----
	> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at l
ists.nsrca.org> 
	> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at l
ists.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of Ron Van
	> Putte
	> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:52 PM
	> To: General pattern discussion
	> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
	>
	> I have done mods on two 2-cell 2200 mah lipo packs (I removed
the
	> heavy power leads and added a battery connector that plugs in)
for my
	> Futaba 12 FG.  The packs last forever and I have another in my
	> transmitter case if one gets low.
	>
	> I also contacted Evan Chapkis at RCAccessory and he is coming
out
	> with a 2-cell 2600 mah lipo pack which will plug right into a
Futaba
	> 12 FG or the new Hitec Aurora 9 2.4 GHz transmitter.
	>
	> Ron Van Putte
	>
	> On Feb 16, 2010, at 12:37 PM, Stuart Chale wrote:
	>
	>> The 10C uses the same stick assemblies as the 9C did.  The
12FG is
	>> step up in stick assemblies.  Ball bearings and very smooth.
Uses
	>> the same encoders as the 12Z and 14MZ  No angle adjustments.
The
	>> 12Z and 14MZ use the same sticks.  adjustable angles (never
used it
	>> myself) metal shafts instead of the plastic ones in the 12
FG.
	>> Otherwise pretty much the same.  One other benifit to the Z
radios
	>> is the lithium ion battery.  Much easier to swap at the
field,
	>> holds its charge, and you can buy a Sony replacement at Best
Buy :)
	>> If you are buying new keep in mind that a used 12Z is usually
less
	>> than a new 12FG
	>> Check Ebay (personal plug, I have one there now :) )
	>> If money were no issue than I would get a 14MZ, If money is a
	>> concern and I wanted a new radio I would probably go for the
FG.
	>> Stuart
	>>
	>> On 2/16/2010 1:08 PM, Bob Richards wrote:
	>>>
	>>> Thanks guys.
	>>>
	>>> On the comparison chart, the only thing I saw that MIGHT
sway me
	>>> to the 12Z is the "logic for switches".  I think I used this
	>>> feature once on my 9Z to do some experimenting, but don't
know if
	>>> it is something that I would ever really need.
	>>>
	>>> I was more concerned with the feel of the radio (quality of
the
	>>> sticks). That is one thing I don't like about the 10C, as
well as
	>>> the lack of conditions.
	>>>
	>>> Bob R.
	>>>
	>>>
	>>> --- On Tue, 2/16/10, Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rob at koolsoft.com> > wrote:
	>>>
	>>> From: Robert L. Beaubien <rob at koolsoft.com
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rob at koolsoft.com> >
	>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
	>>> To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion at lists.nsr
ca.org> >
	>>> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:43 AM
	>>>
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	>>> I have the 12Z.  Here are the major differences between
them.
	>>>
	>>>
	>>> 12Z has a metal case, the 12FG has a plastic case.
	>>>
	>>> 12Z uses a standard formatted CF (CardFlash) memory card,
the 12Fg
	>>> uses a specially formatted SD card (unreadable on a pc
without
	>>> special (free) software from Futaba.
	>>>
	>>> 12Z has 4 trim switches, 12FG has 6 trim switches (same as
the 14MZ)
	>>>
	>>>
	>>> They are almost identical when it comes to programmability.
	>>> Basically comes down to if you want a metal case, get the
12Z,
	>>> otherwise, get the 12FG.  Virtually the same radio for a lot
less.
	>>>
	>>>
	>>> - Robert Beaubien
	>>>
	>>> - NSRCA District 7 Webmaster
	>>>
	>>> -
	>>>
	>>> "No trees were harmed in the sending of this message,
however a
	>>> large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."
	>>>
	>>>
	>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at l
ists.nsrca.org>  [mailto:nsrca-
	>>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=discussion-bounces at lists.n
srca.org> ] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
	>>> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:05 PM
	>>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
	>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 12Z vs 12FG
	>>>
	>>>
	>>> Thinking of buying a better radio. (Please, no JR remarks
here).
	>>> Have been a Futaba guy for many years, have lots of FASST
stuff
	>>> already. I'm interested in either the 12Z or the 12FG. What
are
	>>> the differences, why would you buy one over the other, etc.
Will
	>>> be using for pattern and for IMAC.
	>>>
	>>>
	>>>
	>>> Thanks in advance,
	>>>
	>>>
	>>>
	>>> Bob R.
	>>>
	>>>
	>>>
	>>>
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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Wed Feb 17 07:47:39 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:47:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
In-Reply-To: <5C250B1AF6AB465994072082F4540E11@xppro2>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
	<5C250B1AF6AB465994072082F4540E11@xppro2>
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA9830D5@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

John,

	What type of fuel line should I be using here? From the replies,
I think I can safely mount the pump in any orientation, so getting it
close to the pressure tap will be easier. I was, however, intending on
using standard fuel line for all the connections.

Tim Pascoe 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
Ferrell
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question

The length of the line to the crank case is critical. Closer is better.
And 
don't even think of using standard fuel line for that line.

John Ferrell  W8CCW

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."
-Edward R. Murrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:53 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question


>
> I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a
Perry 
> VP30 pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about
the 
> mounting instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow
nipples 
> are mounted horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm
finding 
> it tough to get a place near the engine where I can mount it this way.
>
> 1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the
fuse 
> behind the firewall by 4-5 inches)?
> 2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the 
> engine?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Wed Feb 17 07:59:30 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 16:59:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Li-Ion Tx Packs WAS Re: 12Z vs 12FG
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA9830D9@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

Some may also be interested in the following article. On MicroSD cards,
but highlights the shady side of the hi-tech industry. Especially when
it comes to repackaging or rebranding items for distribution. I suspect
the Sony batteries fall into the same kind of category.

 

The Ghost Shift Ghost Chip: http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=918

 

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From humptybump at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 17 08:07:02 2010
From: humptybump at sbcglobal.net (Richard Lewis)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 17:07:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA9830D5@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
	<5C250B1AF6AB465994072082F4540E11@xppro2>
	<7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA9830D5@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <731905.57890.qm@web80504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Way back, I spent some time on the phone with the guy at Conley presicion about the pressure line.? He seemd to think that the large displacement OS160 and Moki 180 that we were discussing would have no problem stroking the pump on a longer pressure line made from normal fuel line.? My experiences have seemed to confirm this.? Remember, he markets primariliy to rc car applications and the crankcase pressure pulse from a 15 sized engine turning 20,000 rpm may easily be absorbed in the ballooning effect of a long rubbery line, but the pulse from 1.6 turning 8000 rpm, not so much...If you want to use a less flexible line, Tygon is?what you would use...

The real trick is getting any tubing to stay on the un-barbed nipple on the back of the pump....sometimes it stay on like magic and is never an issue, other times not so much...I've used goop, CA, Silicone, wire ties, etc...the propensity to come loose seems to be directly proportional to the diffculty?in accessing it to re-attach it...:)

Richard




________________________________
From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 10:47:34 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question

John,

??? What type of fuel line should I be using here? From the replies,
I think I can safely mount the pump in any orientation, so getting it
close to the pressure tap will be easier. I was, however, intending on
using standard fuel line for all the connections.

Tim Pascoe 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
Ferrell
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:45 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question

The length of the line to the crank case is critical. Closer is better.
And 
don't even think of using standard fuel line for that line.

John Ferrell? W8CCW

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."
-Edward R. Murrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:53 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question


>
> I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a
Perry 
> VP30 pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about
the 
> mounting instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow
nipples 
> are mounted horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm
finding 
> it tough to get a place near the engine where I can mount it this way.
>
> 1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the
fuse 
> behind the firewall by 4-5 inches)?
> 2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the 
> engine?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 


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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Wed Feb 17 10:07:39 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 19:07:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA983109@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

I have the Perry pump I recently asked about. But I'd also like to try
the setup with a Cline regulator. Anyone have one in good shape they
want to part with? I suspect the Cline may be easier to set up in the
long run. Iron Bay is no longer in operation, correct?

 

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From humptybump at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb 17 11:00:50 2010
From: humptybump at sbcglobal.net (Richard Lewis)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:00:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA983109@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA983109@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <704001.19651.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>From what I have seen, neither solution is?going to be "easier" to set up.? Fuel systems are kind of like religions for some people (me included on occasion...VBG).? Everyone beleives their is best...I've seen Perry pump setups that some folks just can't seem to get to work.? All of the?4 or 5 setups I've used have all been relatively easy to setup and been very reliable.? I've seen some guys with Cline setups that they just can't get to work, while others seem reliable and effortless.?

At the?end of the day, no matter how nice you want to be, you have to?attribute some of the woes associated with these systems to the user.

BTW - If you are interested, do a google patent search (google -> click more -> click even more -> look for patents) for patent 3967606.? It's the original Perry patent and has a really nice exploded and cut away drawings of the pump...enjoy.

Richard?




________________________________
From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 1:07:37 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?


I have the Perry pump I recently asked about. But I?d also like to try the setup with a Cline regulator. Anyone have one in good shape they want to part with? I suspect the Cline may be easier to set up in the long run. Iron Bay is no longer in operation, correct?
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From Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca  Wed Feb 17 11:06:23 2010
From: Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca (Pascoe,Tim [Burlington])
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:06:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?
In-Reply-To: <704001.19651.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA983109@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
	<704001.19651.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98311D@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>

Thanks. This is partly why I want both options - I'm not too sure what
my religion will be at this stage, having no experience with either yet
:-) I'll have to take a look at the patent drawings.

 

Tim Pascoe 



From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard
Lewis
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 3:01 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?

 

>From what I have seen, neither solution is going to be "easier" to set
up.  Fuel systems are kind of like religions for some people (me
included on occasion...VBG).  Everyone beleives their is best...I've
seen Perry pump setups that some folks just can't seem to get to work.
All of the 4 or 5 setups I've used have all been relatively easy to
setup and been very reliable.  I've seen some guys with Cline setups
that they just can't get to work, while others seem reliable and
effortless. 

 

At the end of the day, no matter how nice you want to be, you have to
attribute some of the woes associated with these systems to the user.

 

BTW - If you are interested, do a google patent search (google -> click
more -> click even more -> look for patents) for patent 3967606.  It's
the original Perry patent and has a really nice exploded and cut away
drawings of the pump...enjoy.

 

Richard 

 

________________________________

From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, February 17, 2010 1:07:37 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?

I have the Perry pump I recently asked about. But I'd also like to try
the setup with a Cline regulator. Anyone have one in good shape they
want to part with? I suspect the Cline may be easier to set up in the
long run. Iron Bay is no longer in operation, correct?

 

Tim Pascoe 

 

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From duane.e.beck at comcast.net  Wed Feb 17 11:09:18 2010
From: duane.e.beck at comcast.net (Duane Beck)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 20:09:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry Pump Patent
In-Reply-To: <2101335801.5349311266437298657.JavaMail.root@sz0056a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
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... or just google "patent 3967606" and it's the first link.
http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT3967606

> BTW - If you are interested, do a google patent search (google ->
> click more -> click even more -> look for patents) for patent
> 3967606.? It's the original Perry patent and has a really nice
> exploded and cut away drawings of the pump...enjoy.

From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Wed Feb 17 13:49:00 2010
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 22:49:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?
In-Reply-To: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA983109@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <A5312CD81F9E4B02BA68FF4CC4931019@jaysdesktop>

I used the Perry pump on a 1.20 setup where the fuel tank was placed way
back over the CG.

I used the bypass return setup.

I set the engine w/o the pump on the stand, then connected the pump and
adjusted the pump pressure setting so that the engine ran the same.

Flew great.

 

Jay Marshall 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pascoe,Tim
[Burlington]
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:08 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?

 

I have the Perry pump I recently asked about. But I'd also like to try the
setup with a Cline regulator. Anyone have one in good shape they want to
part with? I suspect the Cline may be easier to set up in the long run. Iron
Bay is no longer in operation, correct?

 

Tim Pascoe 

 

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From bob at toprudder.com  Wed Feb 17 16:26:54 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 01:26:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cline Regulator for Sale?
In-Reply-To: <A5312CD81F9E4B02BA68FF4CC4931019@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <101084.73829.qm@web1104.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Is that the secret to getting it right? I tried to help someone once that had tried unsuccessfully to get his engine running right and was not able to do any better (not sure how far out of wack he had already changed things). 
?
Bob R.

--- On Wed, 2/17/10, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:









I set the engine w/o the pump on the stand, then connected the pump and adjusted the pump pressure setting so that the engine ran the same.
Flew great.
?
?
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From stephens89 at att.net  Wed Feb 17 17:12:25 2010
From: stephens89 at att.net (Gary Stephens)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:12:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need Tru-Turn spinner
Message-ID: <723E603FFC354759BCB7BB84458607AF@HALXHTR8HVC4P>

All,
 
Looking to buy a 2.5"  Tru-turn FAI style spinner for a good price.
 
Thanks
Gary Stephens
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From jferrell13 at triad.rr.com  Thu Feb 18 06:26:33 2010
From: jferrell13 at triad.rr.com (John Ferrell)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:26:33 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA98116161@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca><5C250B1AF6AB465994072082F4540E11@xppro2>
	<7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA9830D5@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
Message-ID: <E8A8DAFB7FFD4EADBB238500808B8190@xppro2>

A length of "firm" tubing comes with the pump. The supplied length is fine. 
I used one for several years with a 1.8 Moki in a Midwest Cap 232. The tank 
was on the CG. The pressure was setup for the engine to run with the needle 
set at two turns open. It was necessary to tweek the idle a little. Once it 
was setup right it was not necessary to touch it ever again.

John Ferrell  W8CCW

"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."
-Edward R. Murrow
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question


> John,
>
> What type of fuel line should I be using here? From the replies,
> I think I can safely mount the pump in any orientation, so getting it
> close to the pressure tap will be easier. I was, however, intending on
> using standard fuel line for all the connections.
>
> Tim Pascoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John
> Ferrell
> Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 11:45 AM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
>
> The length of the line to the crank case is critical. Closer is better.
> And
> don't even think of using standard fuel line for that line.
>
> John Ferrell  W8CCW
>
> "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves."
> -Edward R. Murrow
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Pascoe,Tim [Burlington]" <Tim.Pascoe at ec.gc.ca>
> To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:53 PM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Perry VP30 Question
>
>
>>
>> I'm putting together a practice plane with an OS1.60, including a
> Perry
>> VP30 pump. I've never used a Perry pump before, and am wondering about
> the
>> mounting instructions. It says to ensure that the inflow/outflow
> nipples
>> are mounted horizontally, with the bleed hole down. However, I'm
> finding
>> it tough to get a place near the engine where I can mount it this way.
>>
>> 1) Does it have to be close to the engine (can I mount it inside the
> fuse
>> behind the firewall by 4-5 inches)?
>> 2) Can I mount it with the inflow/outflow vertical, and closer to the
>> engine?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tim
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>
>
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Thu Feb 18 14:13:36 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 23:13:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Webra 1.60 w/ header, pipe and Hyde mount
In-Reply-To: <A5312CD81F9E4B02BA68FF4CC4931019@jaysdesktop>
References: <7C760A126D798C4C8D3B1DD4960BCA983109@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca>
	<A5312CD81F9E4B02BA68FF4CC4931019@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <009601cab0f0$5c29bfc0$147d3f40$@net>

Guys,

 

Rick Cilles is wanting to sell this package. He put an ad for it on RCU here
http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=604900 and asked if I would
put an e-mail out to the list. The ad on RCU is for $525 and if that isn't
good enough NSRCA members get a discount. You can either e-mail me at
pcosky at comcast.net or contact Rick at rcflierrc at hotmail.com

 

I have the whole shootin' match sitting in my shop if you need any pictures
of anything but the RCU ad is pretty detailed.

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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Fri Feb 19 07:23:52 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:23:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] (2) Hacker A60-24S Outrunners For Sale
	($135/both)
Message-ID: <458F19FE-5C41-4710-AD55-937887AFFADF@buddengineering.com>

I have (2) used Hacker A60-24S outrunners for sale.

#1 has a full season on it with no problems and is in great operating  
condition with minor cosmetic scratches on the exterior of the can body.

#2 is low time but was crashed and repaired to new operating condition  
at the factory.  It also has some minor cosmetic scratches on the can  
body.

The motors have performed flawlessly and run very cool when provided a  
proper amount of cooling air.

The motors run extremely smooth, and turn an APC 20.5-14 at around 6k  
rpm with a decent battery.  They would make a great entry level setup  
for someone getting into electric in the lower classes, or would  
provide scary performance for a 110-sized plane.

$75 each + shipping, or $135 for both, shipped.

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com


From joddino at socal.rr.com  Fri Feb 19 16:12:35 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:12:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Zippy Flightmax 5S 5000
Message-ID: <7A03DAE1-9289-4233-8DBE-B8043907FCE1@socal.rr.com>

Anyone got any data on these?  A guy at the field was using them and I couldn't get over how much shorter (1.4 inches) and lighter (2.74 oz. for two) they were than the Rhino 4900s.  And they only cost about $40.  

Jim

From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Fri Feb 19 16:21:32 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:21:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Zippy Flightmax 5S 5000
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861BFE@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

I used them all fall with great success.  Only have 40 reps per pack at this point though and then the snow came.  Won't know how they hold up over all until spring.  1200gms per flight pack, and at $100 total per flight pack (including shipping) seems like they're disposable even if you only get 60-75 flights out of them. 

-Mark
--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: List Mailing NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri Feb 19 20:12:32 2010
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Zippy Flightmax 5S 5000

Anyone got any data on these?  A guy at the field was using them and I couldn't get over how much shorter (1.4 inches) and lighter (2.74 oz. for two) they were than the Rhino 4900s.  And they only cost about $40.  

Jim
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Feb 19 16:23:18 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:23:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Zippy Flightmax 5S 5000
In-Reply-To: <7A03DAE1-9289-4233-8DBE-B8043907FCE1@socal.rr.com>
References: <7A03DAE1-9289-4233-8DBE-B8043907FCE1@socal.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3ACD0C6B-BFF9-438C-975B-17DF8BBBFCB2@cox.net>

I don't have any Zippy Flightmax 5S 5000s, but I have some Zippy  
Flightmax 5S 4400s in my Genesis, driving a Dualsky 6360-12T motor.   
I am very pleased with their performance, weight and price.

Ron Van Putte

On Feb 19, 2010, at 7:12 PM, James Oddino wrote:

> Anyone got any data on these?  A guy at the field was using them  
> and I couldn't get over how much shorter (1.4 inches) and lighter  
> (2.74 oz. for two) they were than the Rhino 4900s.  And they only  
> cost about $40.
>
> Jim
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From adriancwong at earthlink.net  Fri Feb 19 20:29:48 2010
From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 05:29:48 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale - YS 160DZ
Message-ID: <22408862.1266643785871.JavaMail.root@wamui-haziran.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

To all,

I have two YS 160DZ for sale. Both just came back from YS Parts & Service with new bearings & piston ring, runs great.

I would like to sell it for $475.00 each, & two for $900.00. I accept paypal & will pay for UPS ground shipping to the new owner.

Any interested party please contact me off list - adriancwong at earthlink.net

Thank you for your attention.

Adrian

From jerry at buddengineering.com  Sat Feb 20 05:33:21 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Jerry Budd)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 14:33:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] (2) Hacker A60-24S Outrunners For Sale (SOLD!)
In-Reply-To: <458F19FE-5C41-4710-AD55-937887AFFADF@buddengineering.com>
References: <458F19FE-5C41-4710-AD55-937887AFFADF@buddengineering.com>
Message-ID: <1F171C29-427B-4F98-8803-60DEAA431206@buddengineering.com>

The Hacker A60's have been sold.

Thx, Jerry

Jerry Budd
jerry at buddengineering.com


On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:

> I have (2) used Hacker A60-24S outrunners for sale.
>
> #1 has a full season on it with no problems and is in great  
> operating condition with minor cosmetic scratches on the exterior of  
> the can body.
>
> #2 is low time but was crashed and repaired to new operating  
> condition at the factory.  It also has some minor cosmetic scratches  
> on the can body.
>
> The motors have performed flawlessly and run very cool when provided  
> a proper amount of cooling air.
>
> The motors run extremely smooth, and turn an APC 20.5-14 at around  
> 6k rpm with a decent battery.  They would make a great entry level  
> setup for someone getting into electric in the lower classes, or  
> would provide scary performance for a 110-sized plane.
>
> $75 each + shipping, or $135 for both, shipped.
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list
> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7


From tocdon at netscape.net  Sat Feb 20 11:21:29 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2010 20:21:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Online Pattern Practice this evening
In-Reply-To: <8CC7B12BCCF5BA0-816C-15B75@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4cd9.4f034697.38a81f7e@aol.com>
	<8CC7B12BCCF5BA0-816C-15B75@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC808161BBEDA5-2A0C-A120@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com>


Now through about 6 PM.  Phoenix multiplayer, pattern practice session.   No password.  Send an IM through phoenix if you want coaching, judging, or critiquing.

Later,
Don
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From schale at optonline.net  Sat Feb 20 15:09:22 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 00:09:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Online Pattern Practice this evening
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From tocdon at netscape.net  Sat Feb 20 18:58:11 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 03:58:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Online Pattern Practice this evening
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Wish could have made it to WRAMS but we were going to hit a couple (now one) indoor fly in this weekend.  Practice tonight was fun.  We got a new prospective pattern flyer through the first 6 maneuvers of Sportsman.  It was great.  Background flying and heli's?  yea, just like the local field.  Guess I'm used to it and don't mind.  For the contest next Saturday we'll use the same password as before (pattern).  I'll e-mail it out an alternate password later in the week.  Due to the increase in number of entrants, we may set up a practice site/holding area, then have one session for the contestents in the ready box, flying and judging.

See you,'
Don





-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, Feb 20, 2010 7:09 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Online Pattern Practice this evening


Sorry couldn't make it today.  Was at the WRAM show.  Getting smaller each year.  I would recommend setting a password, you can just post it here.  Last time the people just randomly joining in because the site was there and flying  Helis and jets etc were distracting.


On 2/20/2010 3:21 PM, tocdon at netscape.net wrote: 
Now through about 6 PM.  Phoenix multiplayer, pattern practice session.   No password.  Send an IM through phoenix if you want coaching, judging, or critiquing.
 
Later,
Don


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From moleski at canisius.edu  Sun Feb 21 08:44:50 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 17:44:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Feedback wanted
Message-ID: <4B81710F.1060707@canisius.edu>

Last May, we had a discussion about how to design a
schedule-maker for F3A unknowns.

I've designed a system for doing so.

I'd like to get some feedback before I lock down
the drawing spaces for the maneuvers.  I would
like all of the 481 drawings done in the right
scale so that any 17 of them can be read in and
placed on the page as needed (and reversed
as needed--each of the 17 must be shown with
wind from the right and with wind from the
left to make up the two Aresti diagrams).

The discussion of the design is here:

http://moleski.net/dokuwiki/f3a/home

Some sample SVG drawings are here:

http://moleski.net/dokuwiki/f3a/drawings

Note well: to see the SVG images, you will need
an SVG-capable browser (Safari, Chrome, Firefox;
I could not get IE to work, even with plugins).

My goal is to use all open-source tools and
(eventually) to make the source code and drawings
freely available.  That way, if people don't like
what I've done, they can have it their way.  :o)

After getting the design locked down, then I'll
need some more help drawing and proofreading
the Aresti diagrams.

You do not have to tell me how much you want a
generic, open-source, Aresti editor that will let
you draw any maneuver you can imagine.  I understand
how cool that would be.  I also understand how hard
it would be.  :o)

Let's call that all-powerful editor "Maypo," as in
"I want my Maypo!"

The Buffalo PHP guru recommended not writing Maypo
first.  Beppo is plenty hard enough as it is.  When
the scale is locked down, I'll make a library of
symbols for rolls, half-rolls, snaps, spins, etc.,
and write up the guidelines for how to contribute
drawings to the project.  I don't want to do too
much drawing until we have the scale set.

Once all 481 drawings are done in the same scale,
they may, of course, be re-scaled uniformly for
different layouts.

In the images of the layout, I've just put the
numbers into the boxes that show the boundaries
for the drawings.  In the final product, the
numbers will hook up to the entrance of each
maneuver and there will be no bounding boxes.
One step at a time ...

				Marty
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From lld613 at psci.net  Sun Feb 21 09:45:27 2010
From: lld613 at psci.net (Lisa n Larry)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:45:27 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale: Stylus Tx,
	w/ PCM Rx - Re-Listed on RCU
In-Reply-To: <000601caa6ef$21608a50$64219ef0$@net>
References: <000601caa6ef$21608a50$64219ef0$@net>
Message-ID: <000001cab326$0bed4a30$23c7de90$@net>

One has been re-listed for $200.00 obo

 

Stylus transmitters w/ Tx Module, 8ch PCM Rx, Arco Card, and a 50 Model
Memory Card.

 

I still have the other Tx to sell as well.

 

Larry

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Lisa n Larry
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 11:42 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale: Stylus Tx, w/ PCM Rx - Listed on RCU

 

I have listed two Stylus transmitters w/ Tx Module, 8ch PCM Rx, Arco Card,
and a 50 Model Memory Card. Both are in excellent condition.

 

I have a few different channels to choose from. I will be selling additional
8ch PCM Rx's and Transmitter Modules after the transmitters are sold.

 

They have both been serviced by Airtronics last year and the internal
battery was replaced.

 

They are listed at $300 for each system on RCU. I'll consider offers and
would be willing to add a second Tx Module and 8ch PCM Rx for NSRCA folks.

 

Larry Diamond

NSRCA 3083

812-630-9592

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From smaragdz at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 21 09:48:55 2010
From: smaragdz at bellsouth.net (Ryan Smith)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:48:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Feedback wanted
In-Reply-To: <4B81710F.1060707@canisius.edu>
References: <4B81710F.1060707@canisius.edu>
Message-ID: <D225F43120B948648E36059DB1949638@desktop>

Awesome Marty! I will have to digest this a little more when I get home this
evening, it's too pretty out not to be flying, and that's where I'm heading!

I have Aresti drawings that I got from Tom Miller that I cleaned up for my
use, and ended up making my unknowns in PowerPoint, but it was still taking
me quite a while to do. I really like your layouts, and it will make things
infinitely easier.

Very nice work!

Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Martin X.
Moleski, SJ
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:45 PM
To: NSRCA Discussion List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Feedback wanted

Last May, we had a discussion about how to design a
schedule-maker for F3A unknowns.

I've designed a system for doing so.

I'd like to get some feedback before I lock down
the drawing spaces for the maneuvers.  I would
like all of the 481 drawings done in the right
scale so that any 17 of them can be read in and
placed on the page as needed (and reversed
as needed--each of the 17 must be shown with
wind from the right and with wind from the
left to make up the two Aresti diagrams).

The discussion of the design is here:

http://moleski.net/dokuwiki/f3a/home

Some sample SVG drawings are here:

http://moleski.net/dokuwiki/f3a/drawings

Note well: to see the SVG images, you will need
an SVG-capable browser (Safari, Chrome, Firefox;
I could not get IE to work, even with plugins).

My goal is to use all open-source tools and
(eventually) to make the source code and drawings
freely available.  That way, if people don't like
what I've done, they can have it their way.  :o)

After getting the design locked down, then I'll
need some more help drawing and proofreading
the Aresti diagrams.

You do not have to tell me how much you want a
generic, open-source, Aresti editor that will let
you draw any maneuver you can imagine.  I understand
how cool that would be.  I also understand how hard
it would be.  :o)

Let's call that all-powerful editor "Maypo," as in
"I want my Maypo!"

The Buffalo PHP guru recommended not writing Maypo
first.  Beppo is plenty hard enough as it is.  When
the scale is locked down, I'll make a library of
symbols for rolls, half-rolls, snaps, spins, etc.,
and write up the guidelines for how to contribute
drawings to the project.  I don't want to do too
much drawing until we have the scale set.

Once all 481 drawings are done in the same scale,
they may, of course, be re-scaled uniformly for
different layouts.

In the images of the layout, I've just put the
numbers into the boxes that show the boundaries
for the drawings.  In the final product, the
numbers will hook up to the entrance of each
maneuver and there will be no bounding boxes.
One step at a time ...

				Marty


From moleski at canisius.edu  Sun Feb 21 10:04:42 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:04:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] (Beppo) .pdf version of layout
Message-ID: <4B8183C8.7000107@canisius.edu>

Here is how my proposed layout looks in a .pdf file.

Marty
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From moleski at canisius.edu  Sun Feb 21 10:18:57 2010
From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ)
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2010 19:18:57 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Feedback wanted
In-Reply-To: <D225F43120B948648E36059DB1949638@desktop>
References: <4B81710F.1060707@canisius.edu>
	<D225F43120B948648E36059DB1949638@desktop>
Message-ID: <4B81871E.30906@canisius.edu>

On 2/21/2010 1:48 PM, Ryan Smith wrote:

> Awesome Marty! I will have to digest this a little more when I get home this
> evening, it's too pretty out not to be flying, and that's where I'm heading!

Happy landings!

I should take a ride down to my family's camp and clear out
the mousetraps.  We have lovely blue skies here in Buffalo.

> I have Aresti drawings that I got from Tom Miller that I cleaned up for my
> use, and ended up making my unknowns in PowerPoint, but it was still taking
> me quite a while to do.

May I have a copy of Tom's drawings?  That would help a lot to
make sure that Beppo's drawings are right.

> I really like your layouts, and it will make things
> infinitely easier.

I hope so.

The way the Joomla routines should work is this:

Opening Move:

- Present a list of center maneuver families to choose from.
- User selects one family.
- Present the list of all maneuvers in that family.
- User selects one maneuver.

Middle Steps:

- Present a list of all turnaround maneuver families.
- User selects one family.
- Present a list of all maneuvers from that family
   that can connect to the chosen center maneuver (help
   needed here--I'm a little unclear on the concepts).

- Present a list of remaining center maneuver families to
   choose from.
- User selects one family.
- Present the list of all maneuvers in that family that
   can connect to the last turnaround maneuver (help
   needed).
- User selects one maneuver.

Repeat Middle Steps until 17 maneuvers have been chosen.

Generate the .pdfs and provide download links for them.

> Very nice work!

It's coming along.  ;o)

					Marty

From deanfunk1 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 21 17:48:46 2010
From: deanfunk1 at yahoo.com (Dean Funk)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 02:48:46 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FOR SALE
Message-ID: <567004.8025.qm@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

For Sale:



Black Magic Vf3 Sheeted Kit

Partially assembled with super lite 8 1/4 oz wing panels.

Listed on RCU here - 

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemid=606768&electric=0

$1400.00



Defiant MK II Kit

Last one Todd made super lite fuse and very well made. Include cores as I recieved from Todd. 

Listed on RCU here - http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=606756

$600.00



Like New Tru-Turn 3" 4 blade spinner with 2 15.5 x 12 apc props

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=606753

$70.00




ES PIPE for YS 160/170  ESD4C160C7

New in Bag - $160.00





Hyde Mount For YS 170 HCMY16RISA

New in Bag - $250.00





if interested please contact me off list...

thanks, Dean


      

From jerry at buddengineering.com  Mon Feb 22 01:25:24 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 10:25:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale: Hacker C50-14XL & Jeti 90 Controller -
	$350 Shipped
Message-ID: <88EB24FA-C7F0-4B24-9242-2637DADC5F50@buddengineering.com>

?  Hacker C50-14XL geared in-runner in near perfect condition, only a  
few very minor scratches on the motor exterior.
This motor has 26 flights on it since a complete factory overhaul  
(~400 since new), including new bearings, kevlar wrapped rotor, and 4  
mm bullet connectors.  Smooth, powerful, and quiet, it works  
perfectly.  Includes a small (but lifetime) amount of gearbox grease.

?  Jeti Advance 90 Plus controller in like-new condition, with Deans  
Ultra and 4 mm bullet connectors, works perfectly.

$350 for both, shipped.

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com


From DaveL322 at comcast.net  Mon Feb 22 08:45:59 2010
From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:45:59 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] More motors....RE: (2) Hacker A60-24S Outrunners
	For Sale (SOLD!)
In-Reply-To: <1F171C29-427B-4F98-8803-60DEAA431206@buddengineering.com>
References: <458F19FE-5C41-4710-AD55-937887AFFADF@buddengineering.com>
	<1F171C29-427B-4F98-8803-60DEAA431206@buddengineering.com>
Message-ID: <D7E591603ED0417694EC6461E6C3AA09@davedesktop>

Following Jerry's post, I also have an A60-24S (and some other motors) for
sale -

Hacker A60-24S V2, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $60 plus shipping.

Hacker A60-22S V2, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $60 plus shipping.

Hacker A60-22S V1, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $50 plus shipping.

Cyclon 160.  This is NOT the F3A version of the motor.  This motor is 289
KV, and suitable for 16-17" props (10-13" pitch) on 10S (~8500-9000 RPM),
and 18-19" props on 8S (~7,000 RPM).  20 oz, backplate mount.  Very smooth
and quiet.  $100 plus shipping. 

Plettenberg 30-10 "P20".  This is a higher KV (255) version of the original
30-10.  I ran it around 60-70 amps on 10S with 17" props ~8000 RPM.  KV is
high enough that 8S setups would also likely work well.  19 oz, backplate
mount.  Very smooth and quiet.  $125 plus shipping.

Please let me know if any questions.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net



-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Budd
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:33 AM
To: CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
Cc: NSRCA-list List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] (2) Hacker A60-24S Outrunners For Sale (SOLD!)

The Hacker A60's have been sold.

Thx, Jerry

Jerry Budd
jerry at buddengineering.com


On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:

> I have (2) used Hacker A60-24S outrunners for sale.
>
> #1 has a full season on it with no problems and is in great  
> operating condition with minor cosmetic scratches on the exterior of  
> the can body.
>
> #2 is low time but was crashed and repaired to new operating  
> condition at the factory.  It also has some minor cosmetic scratches  
> on the can body.
>
> The motors have performed flawlessly and run very cool when provided  
> a proper amount of cooling air.
>
> The motors run extremely smooth, and turn an APC 20.5-14 at around  
> 6k rpm with a decent battery.  They would make a great entry level  
> setup for someone getting into electric in the lower classes, or  
> would provide scary performance for a 110-sized plane.
>
> $75 each + shipping, or $135 for both, shipped.
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list
> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7

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From smaragdz at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 22 08:48:38 2010
From: smaragdz at bellsouth.net (Ryan Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:48:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] More motors....RE: (2) Hacker A60-24S
	OutrunnersFor Sale (SOLD!)
In-Reply-To: <D7E591603ED0417694EC6461E6C3AA09@davedesktop>
References: <458F19FE-5C41-4710-AD55-937887AFFADF@buddengineering.com><1F171C29-427B-4F98-8803-60DEAA431206@buddengineering.com>
	<D7E591603ED0417694EC6461E6C3AA09@davedesktop>
Message-ID: <DC7DF8D7B6BC49A4997CFF965E65CEA0@desktop>

Dave,

Do you think that Pletty would work well in the Excellence I have? It'll be
for 3D. If you think it will, I'll take it.

Ryan

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 12:41 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] More motors....RE: (2) Hacker A60-24S
OutrunnersFor Sale (SOLD!)

Following Jerry's post, I also have an A60-24S (and some other motors) for
sale -

Hacker A60-24S V2, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $60 plus shipping.

Hacker A60-22S V2, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $60 plus shipping.

Hacker A60-22S V1, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $50 plus shipping.

Cyclon 160.  This is NOT the F3A version of the motor.  This motor is 289
KV, and suitable for 16-17" props (10-13" pitch) on 10S (~8500-9000 RPM),
and 18-19" props on 8S (~7,000 RPM).  20 oz, backplate mount.  Very smooth
and quiet.  $100 plus shipping. 

Plettenberg 30-10 "P20".  This is a higher KV (255) version of the original
30-10.  I ran it around 60-70 amps on 10S with 17" props ~8000 RPM.  KV is
high enough that 8S setups would also likely work well.  19 oz, backplate
mount.  Very smooth and quiet.  $125 plus shipping.

Please let me know if any questions.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net



-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Budd
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:33 AM
To: CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
Cc: NSRCA-list List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] (2) Hacker A60-24S Outrunners For Sale (SOLD!)

The Hacker A60's have been sold.

Thx, Jerry

Jerry Budd
jerry at buddengineering.com


On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:

> I have (2) used Hacker A60-24S outrunners for sale.
>
> #1 has a full season on it with no problems and is in great  
> operating condition with minor cosmetic scratches on the exterior of  
> the can body.
>
> #2 is low time but was crashed and repaired to new operating  
> condition at the factory.  It also has some minor cosmetic scratches  
> on the can body.
>
> The motors have performed flawlessly and run very cool when provided  
> a proper amount of cooling air.
>
> The motors run extremely smooth, and turn an APC 20.5-14 at around  
> 6k rpm with a decent battery.  They would make a great entry level  
> setup for someone getting into electric in the lower classes, or  
> would provide scary performance for a 110-sized plane.
>
> $75 each + shipping, or $135 for both, shipped.
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list
> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7

_______________________________________________
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NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

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http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From smaragdz at bellsouth.net  Mon Feb 22 08:51:04 2010
From: smaragdz at bellsouth.net (Ryan Smith)
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:51:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] More motors....RE: (2) Hacker A60-24S
	OutrunnersFor Sale (SOLD!)
In-Reply-To: <D7E591603ED0417694EC6461E6C3AA09@davedesktop>
References: <458F19FE-5C41-4710-AD55-937887AFFADF@buddengineering.com><1F171C29-427B-4F98-8803-60DEAA431206@buddengineering.com>
	<D7E591603ED0417694EC6461E6C3AA09@davedesktop>
Message-ID: <3E1619B602B046499A1CF58BC4E565D4@desktop>

Sorry guys, I meant for that to go straight to Dave.

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 12:41 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] More motors....RE: (2) Hacker A60-24S
OutrunnersFor Sale (SOLD!)

Following Jerry's post, I also have an A60-24S (and some other motors) for
sale -

Hacker A60-24S V2, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $60 plus shipping.

Hacker A60-22S V2, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $60 plus shipping.

Hacker A60-22S V1, ~25 runs, never crashed, minor cosmetic scratches on
exterior.  $50 plus shipping.

Cyclon 160.  This is NOT the F3A version of the motor.  This motor is 289
KV, and suitable for 16-17" props (10-13" pitch) on 10S (~8500-9000 RPM),
and 18-19" props on 8S (~7,000 RPM).  20 oz, backplate mount.  Very smooth
and quiet.  $100 plus shipping. 

Plettenberg 30-10 "P20".  This is a higher KV (255) version of the original
30-10.  I ran it around 60-70 amps on 10S with 17" props ~8000 RPM.  KV is
high enough that 8S setups would also likely work well.  19 oz, backplate
mount.  Very smooth and quiet.  $125 plus shipping.

Please let me know if any questions.

Regards,

Dave Lockhart
DaveL322 at comcast.net



-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Budd
Sent: Saturday, February 20, 2010 9:33 AM
To: CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT
Cc: NSRCA-list List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] (2) Hacker A60-24S Outrunners For Sale (SOLD!)

The Hacker A60's have been sold.

Thx, Jerry

Jerry Budd
jerry at buddengineering.com


On Feb 19, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:

> I have (2) used Hacker A60-24S outrunners for sale.
>
> #1 has a full season on it with no problems and is in great  
> operating condition with minor cosmetic scratches on the exterior of  
> the can body.
>
> #2 is low time but was crashed and repaired to new operating  
> condition at the factory.  It also has some minor cosmetic scratches  
> on the can body.
>
> The motors have performed flawlessly and run very cool when provided  
> a proper amount of cooling air.
>
> The motors run extremely smooth, and turn an APC 20.5-14 at around  
> 6k rpm with a decent battery.  They would make a great entry level  
> setup for someone getting into electric in the lower classes, or  
> would provide scary performance for a 110-sized plane.
>
> $75 each + shipping, or $135 for both, shipped.
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-dist7 mailing list
> NSRCA-dist7 at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-dist7

_______________________________________________
NSRCA-discussion mailing list
NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

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From tocdon at netscape.net  Mon Feb 22 17:25:09 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 02:25:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open
In-Reply-To: <8CC80C12E259059-44D0-114C8@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com>
References: <4cd9.4f034697.38a81f7e@aol.com><8CC7B12BCCF5BA0-816C-15B75@webmail-d055.sysops.aol.com><8CC808161BBEDA5-2A0C-A120@webmail-d083.sysops.aol.com><4B80799D.2050205@optonline.net>
	<8CC80C12E259059-44D0-114C8@webmail-m057.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8CC824680D8A7D1-4624-757C@webmail-m069.sysops.aol.com>


The Second On-Line Pattern Contest Registration is open.  Contest starts Saturday 3 PM on Phoenix 2.5 Multi-Player.  Please e-mail me if you plan to attend and I'll send our the contest package and instructions later in the week.

Thanks,
Don
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From jerry at buddengineering.com  Mon Feb 22 19:14:06 2010
From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:14:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale: Hacker C50-14XL & Jeti 90
	Controller - SOLD
In-Reply-To: <88EB24FA-C7F0-4B24-9242-2637DADC5F50@buddengineering.com>
References: <88EB24FA-C7F0-4B24-9242-2637DADC5F50@buddengineering.com>
Message-ID: <6732D941-F7DF-47B7-B4C0-416DD570B4F5@buddengineering.com>

The motor and controller have been sold.

Thx, Jerry

Budd Engineering
jerry at buddengineering.com
http://www.buddengineering.com

On Feb 22, 2010, at 2:25 AM, Budd Engineering wrote:

> ?  Hacker C50-14XL geared in-runner in near perfect condition, only  
> a few very minor scratches on the motor exterior.
> This motor has 26 flights on it since a complete factory overhaul  
> (~400 since new), including new bearings, kevlar wrapped rotor, and  
> 4 mm bullet connectors.  Smooth, powerful, and quiet, it works  
> perfectly.  Includes a small (but lifetime) amount of gearbox grease.
>
> ?  Jeti Advance 90 Plus controller in like-new condition, with Deans  
> Ultra and 4 mm bullet connectors, works perfectly.
>
> $350 for both, shipped.
>
> Budd Engineering
> jerry at buddengineering.com
> http://www.buddengineering.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From deanfunk1 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 23 07:24:14 2010
From: deanfunk1 at yahoo.com (Dean Funk)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:24:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FOR SALE UPDATE
In-Reply-To: <6732D941-F7DF-47B7-B4C0-416DD570B4F5@buddengineering.com>
Message-ID: <449269.91150.qm@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The carbon ES pipe is sold, thanks...



Still available for sale:



Black Magic V2.2 (ARF)

Custom built and painted, concours quality

Super lite - 5 lbs 7 oz with bolly gear and carbon wing/stab tubes

Could be converted to electric, set up for a YS

Wings - rudder and elevator need covered - I can do that for an additional $300.00

Listed on RCU here - 

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemID=606790

$1500.00




Black Magic Vf3 Sheeted Kit

Partially assembled with super lite 8 /14 oz wing panels.

Listed on RCU here - 

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemid=606768&electric=0

$1400.00



Defiant MK II Kit

Last one Todd made super lite fuse and very well made. Include cores as I recieved from Todd. 

Listed on RCU here - http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=606756

$600.00



Like New Tru-Turn 3" 4 blade spinner with 2 15.5 x 12 apc props

http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=606753

$70.00


Hyde Mount For YS 170 HCMY16RISA

New in Bag - $250.00






if interested please contact me off list...

thanks, Dean


      

From rob at koolsoft.com  Tue Feb 23 07:27:53 2010
From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:27:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Yuma Contest
Message-ID: <F078987D4F08C3429D64F81264554EB201E6540B@mail2.koolsoftmail.com>

The Yuma contest is coming up March 6th-7th.  Here is the flyer for it:
http://www.patternflying.com/NewsDetailPage.aspx?ID=28

 

Pre Registration:
http://www.patternflying.com/TempRegistrationPage.aspx

 

John puts on a great contest.  Hope to see you all there.

 

 

- Robert Beaubien

- Sr. Software Architect

- Kool Software LLC

-

"No trees were harmed in the sending of this message, however a large
number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced."

 

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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Feb 23 07:52:21 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:52:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
Message-ID: <417BE334-00DC-4994-AB14-360BD8AFFA8A@cox.net>

AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on April  
17th and 18th.  Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA D3 site.   
Does anyone know the status of this contest?

Ron Van Putte


From tomstennis at gmail.com  Tue Feb 23 08:37:13 2010
From: tomstennis at gmail.com (Tom Stennis)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:37:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
In-Reply-To: <417BE334-00DC-4994-AB14-360BD8AFFA8A@cox.net>
References: <417BE334-00DC-4994-AB14-360BD8AFFA8A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <7b4386d1002230937y723ca0afk29d47af19db8f540@mail.gmail.com>

Ron
I have it on my calander I thought I got it on NSRCA site but Wingo
may have told me.
Tom Stennis

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
> AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on April 17th and
> 18th. ?Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA D3 site. ?Does anyone
> know the status of this contest?
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>

From jonlowe at aol.com  Tue Feb 23 08:37:58 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:37:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
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 Ron,
You need new eyeballs!  It is on the right hand side of the front page of nsrca.us/d3!  "April 17-18 - Alabaster "Magic City""  under 2010 events!

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

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Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:55 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest


AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on April 17th and 18th.  Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA D3 site.  Does anyone know the status of this contest? 
 
Ron Van Putte 
 
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Feb 23 08:51:24 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:51:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
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Geez!  I said, "Other than the date, neither does the NSRCA D3  
site".  What's there other than the date?

Ron

On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jon Lowe wrote:

> Ron,
> You need new eyeballs!  It is on the right hand side of the front  
> page of nsrca.us/d3!  "April 17-18 - Alabaster "Magic City""  under  
> 2010 events!
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:55 am
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
>
> AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on April  
> 17th and 18th. Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA D3 site.  
> Does anyone know the status of this contest?
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
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From deanfunk1 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 23 09:17:58 2010
From: deanfunk1 at yahoo.com (Dean Funk)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:17:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
In-Reply-To: <B8F79704-8E99-45B2-BBA4-FDFED3CB8623@cox.net>
Message-ID: <329175.81463.qm@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

HI Ron,

I haven't received any additional info regarding the Alabaster meet.

try and get a hold of Mike W.


dean





--- On Tue, 2/23/10, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, February 23, 2010, 12:54 PM
> Geez!? I said, "Other than the
> date, neither does the NSRCA D3 site".? What's there
> other than the date?
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jon Lowe wrote:
> 
> > Ron,
> > You need new eyeballs!? It is on the right hand
> side of the front page of nsrca.us/d3!? "April 17-18 -
> Alabaster "Magic City""? under 2010 events!
> > 
> > Jon Lowe
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:55 am
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
> > 
> > AMA does not seem to know about a contest in
> Alabaster, AL on April 17th and 18th. Other than the date
> ,neither does the NSRCA D3 site. Does anyone know the status
> of this contest?
> > 
> > Ron Van Putte
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> > _______________________________________________
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From lodomjr at verizon.net  Tue Feb 23 14:05:03 2010
From: lodomjr at verizon.net (Lawrence Odom)
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 23:05:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
References: <417BE334-00DC-4994-AB14-360BD8AFFA8A@cox.net>
Message-ID: <4752A49EF5934CF18E93FEA4B5757F00@LAWRENCEODOM>

Hey Mr. Van Putte,

Don't forget we go to Ocala in March before Alabaster in April.   lol.

Larry
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:55 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest


> AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on April  
> 17th and 18th.  Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA D3 site.   
> Does anyone know the status of this contest?
> 
> Ron Van Putte
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

From jonlowe at aol.com  Tue Feb 23 15:05:25 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:05:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
In-Reply-To: <B8F79704-8E99-45B2-BBA4-FDFED3CB8623@cox.net>
References: <417BE334-00DC-4994-AB14-360BD8AFFA8A@cox.net><8CC82C5F9A85F0D-423C-2E8A@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
	<B8F79704-8E99-45B2-BBA4-FDFED3CB8623@cox.net>
Message-ID: <8CC82FC2832D611-3AD4-3732@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>


 I guess I need the new eyes.  I misread your post.

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:54 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest


Geez!  I said, "Other than the date, neither does the NSRCA D3 site".  What's there other than the date? 
 
Ron 
 
On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jon Lowe wrote: 
 
> Ron, 
> You need new eyeballs!  It is on the right hand side of the front > page of nsrca.us/d3!  "April 17-18 - Alabaster "Magic City""  under > 2010 events! 
> 
> Jon Lowe 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> 
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:55 am 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest 
> 
> AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on April > 17th and 18th. Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA D3 site. > Does anyone know the status of this contest? 
> 
> Ron Van Putte 
> 
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Feb 23 15:09:37 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:09:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
In-Reply-To: <4752A49EF5934CF18E93FEA4B5757F00@LAWRENCEODOM>
References: <417BE334-00DC-4994-AB14-360BD8AFFA8A@cox.net>
	<4752A49EF5934CF18E93FEA4B5757F00@LAWRENCEODOM>
Message-ID: <1FDB1ACF-44FC-4E9B-9559-17ED9997BCFA@cox.net>

That's right, but at least the AMA knows about and lists the Ocala  
contest contest on the web site, even though there's nothing other  
than the date on the NSRCA D3 site about it.

Ron

On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Lawrence Odom wrote:

> Hey Mr. Van Putte,
>
> Don't forget we go to Ocala in March before Alabaster in April.   lol.
>
> Larry
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:55 AM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
>
>
>> AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on  
>> April  17th and 18th.  Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA  
>> D3 site.   Does anyone know the status of this contest?
>> Ron Van Putte
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> _______________________________________________
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From lodomjr at verizon.net  Tue Feb 23 15:12:45 2010
From: lodomjr at verizon.net (Larry Odom)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:12:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
In-Reply-To: <1FDB1ACF-44FC-4E9B-9559-17ED9997BCFA@cox.net>
Message-ID: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHKEAECEAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>

You know Ron my contest did not make the AMA Contest Calendar either.  It
was sanction but they never put it on their site.

Larry

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Van
Putte
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:13 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest


That's right, but at least the AMA knows about and lists the Ocala
contest contest on the web site, even though there's nothing other
than the date on the NSRCA D3 site about it.

Ron

On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Lawrence Odom wrote:

> Hey Mr. Van Putte,
>
> Don't forget we go to Ocala in March before Alabaster in April.   lol.
>
> Larry
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:55 AM
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
>
>
>> AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on
>> April  17th and 18th.  Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA
>> D3 site.   Does anyone know the status of this contest?
>> Ron Van Putte
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Feb 23 15:14:18 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:14:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
In-Reply-To: <8CC82FC2832D611-3AD4-3732@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
References: <417BE334-00DC-4994-AB14-360BD8AFFA8A@cox.net><8CC82C5F9A85F0D-423C-2E8A@webmail-d098.sysops.aol.com>
	<B8F79704-8E99-45B2-BBA4-FDFED3CB8623@cox.net>
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Goldern whippersnapper!

Ron

On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:05 PM, Jon Lowe wrote:

> I guess I need the new eyes.  I misread your post.
>
> Jon Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 11:54 am
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
>
> Geez! I said, "Other than the date, neither does the NSRCA D3  
> site". What's there other than the date?
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 23, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Jon Lowe wrote:
>
> > Ron,
> > You need new eyeballs! It is on the right hand side of the front  
> > page of nsrca.us/d3! "April 17-18 - Alabaster "Magic City"" under  
> > 2010 events!
> >
> > Jon Lowe
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:55 am
> > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
> >
> > AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on  
> April > 17th and 18th. Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA  
> D3 site. > Does anyone know the status of this contest?
> >
> > Ron Van Putte
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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From vanputte at cox.net  Tue Feb 23 15:18:23 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:18:23 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
In-Reply-To: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHKEAECEAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>
References: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHKEAECEAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C0F227D3-0268-4A53-926A-6B138D3EF1A1@cox.net>

Yeah, that's true, but we all wanted to go down to Lakeland, FL where  
it would be nice and warm, so we didn't care whether the contest was  
even sanctioned.  So, off we went to Lakeland, only to about freeze  
off any uncovered extremities.

Ron

On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Larry Odom wrote:

> You know Ron my contest did not make the AMA Contest Calendar  
> either.  It
> was sanction but they never put it on their site.
>
> Larry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Van
> Putte
> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:13 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
>
>
> That's right, but at least the AMA knows about and lists the Ocala
> contest contest on the web site, even though there's nothing other
> than the date on the NSRCA D3 site about it.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Lawrence Odom wrote:
>
>> Hey Mr. Van Putte,
>>
>> Don't forget we go to Ocala in March before Alabaster in April.    
>> lol.
>>
>> Larry
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:55 AM
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
>>
>>
>>> AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on
>>> April  17th and 18th.  Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA
>>> D3 site.   Does anyone know the status of this contest?
>>> Ron Van Putte
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Tue Feb 23 18:54:19 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:54:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open
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Message-ID: <1526670810.7401571266983658455.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Don, 



Yes, I would like to participate.? I never done it before so I will need more coaching how to joint and other details. 



Thanks, 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

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Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:24:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
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The Second On-Line Pattern Contest Registration is open.? Contest starts Saturday 3 PM on Phoenix 2.5 Multi-Player.? Please e-mail me if you plan to attend and I'll send our the contest package and instructions later in the week. 

Thanks, 
Don 
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 06:11:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale - YS 160DZ
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To all,

I have two YS 160DZ for sale. Both just came back from YS Parts & Service with new bearings & piston ring, runs great.

I would like to sell it for $475.00 each, & two for $900.00. I accept paypal & will pay for UPS ground shipping to the new owner.

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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 24 09:03:53 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:03:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Figure M question P-11
Message-ID: <BAY128-W1837D2ECD705B3D2848880A0410@phx.gbl>


Hi Guys,

 

It seems that I read we are supposed to roll in opposite directions in each element of a maneuver.  If you do that in the M--it doesn't work.  Anyone have a definitive explanation how to perform this cutie?  If each 'element' would be defined as each up and down leg combined--no problem.

 

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From bob at toprudder.com  Wed Feb 24 09:17:36 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:17:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Figure M question P-11
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Where did you read that? I'm not all that up to date on the rules, but that is the first I've heard of having to roll in alternate directions.

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Hi Guys,
?
It seems that I read we are supposed to roll in opposite directions in each element of a maneuver.? If you do that in the M--it doesn't work.? Anyone have a definitive explanation how to perform this cutie?? If each 'element' would be defined as each up and down leg combined--no problem.
?
Richard



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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 24 09:35:08 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:35:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Figure M question P-11
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Must be from the olden days--as I just went through the FAI Sporting Code and could not find reference to it.  I must have been mistaken.  I'll follow the Aresti diagram.

 

Richard
 


Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 10:17:33 -0800
From: bob at toprudder.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Figure M question P-11





Where did you read that? I'm not all that up to date on the rules, but that is the first I've heard of having to roll in alternate directions.

--- On Wed, 2/24/10, Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> wrote:






Hi Guys,
 
It seems that I read we are supposed to roll in opposite directions in each element of a maneuver.  If you do that in the M--it doesn't work.  Anyone have a definitive explanation how to perform this cutie?  If each 'element' would be defined as each up and down leg combined--no problem.
 
Richard



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From: scott at rcfoamy.com (scott anderson)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:54:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: For sale - classic pattern plane
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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Feb 24 13:36:54 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:36:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Note From Tony Stillman
Message-ID: <21AC2A4A-A491-459D-B15D-8FC34CE5912B@cox.net>

I just got the following from Tony Stillman.  Please respond to  
Tony;  I no longer fly "slimer" airplanes.  :- )

Ron Van Putte

Ron:

"For some reason, my e-mails to the NSRCA list are not going through?  
Could you please ask a question for me?

"I need to know what battery the guys are using to power the ignition  
on the YS170?s with ignition."

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com



From khoard at gmail.com  Wed Feb 24 13:52:19 2010
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:52:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Note From Tony Stillman
In-Reply-To: <21AC2A4A-A491-459D-B15D-8FC34CE5912B@cox.net>
References: <21AC2A4A-A491-459D-B15D-8FC34CE5912B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <6792ef121002241452s603f2584pf0e2115e43b1732d@mail.gmail.com>

Next thing you know, Ron will be referring to us glow power guys as the
"Proletariat"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> I just got the following from Tony Stillman.  Please respond to Tony;  I no
> longer fly "slimer" airplanes.  :- )
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> Ron:
>
> "For some reason, my e-mails to the NSRCA list are not going through? Could
> you please ask a question for me?
>
> "I need to know what battery the guys are using to power the ignition on
> the YS170?s with ignition."
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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From vanputte at cox.net  Wed Feb 24 13:58:42 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 22:58:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Note From Tony Stillman
In-Reply-To: <6792ef121002241452s603f2584pf0e2115e43b1732d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <21AC2A4A-A491-459D-B15D-8FC34CE5912B@cox.net>
	<6792ef121002241452s603f2584pf0e2115e43b1732d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02B73964-A272-4F5A-8368-2D15BF1D1099@cox.net>

No, I will continue to treat the unenlightened fairly and  
courteously, despite their stubbornness to move forward.

BTW, Tony's email address is tony at radiosouthrc.com

Ron
On Feb 24, 2010, at 4:52 PM, Keith Hoard wrote:

> Next thing you know, Ron will be referring to us glow power guys as  
> the "Proletariat"
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat
>
> On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>  
> wrote:
> I just got the following from Tony Stillman.  Please respond to  
> Tony;  I no longer fly "slimer" airplanes.  :- )
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> Ron:
>
> "For some reason, my e-mails to the NSRCA list are not going  
> through? Could you please ask a question for me?
>
> "I need to know what battery the guys are using to power the  
> ignition on the YS170?s with ignition."
>
> Tony Stillman, President
> Radio South, Inc.
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
> Brunswick, GA  31525
> 1-800-962-7802
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Keith Hoard
> Collierville, TN
> khoard at gmail.com
>
>
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From kthompson56 at satx.rr.com  Wed Feb 24 15:19:05 2010
From: kthompson56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:19:05 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Note From Tony Stillman
References: <21AC2A4A-A491-459D-B15D-8FC34CE5912B@cox.net>
	<6792ef121002241452s603f2584pf0e2115e43b1732d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47EFC71B42714D6C9414B2184721C825@kenpc>

One hell of a work Keith... ;-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Hoard 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Note From Tony Stillman


  Next thing you know, Ron will be referring to us glow power guys as the "Proletariat"

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat


  On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

    I just got the following from Tony Stillman.  Please respond to Tony;  I no longer fly "slimer" airplanes.  :- )

    Ron Van Putte

    Ron:

    "For some reason, my e-mails to the NSRCA list are not going through? Could you please ask a question for me?

    "I need to know what battery the guys are using to power the ignition on the YS170?s with ignition."

    Tony Stillman, President
    Radio South, Inc.
    139 Altama Connector, Box 322
    Brunswick, GA  31525
    1-800-962-7802
    www.radiosouthrc.com


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From kthompson56 at satx.rr.com  Wed Feb 24 15:19:24 2010
From: kthompson56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 00:19:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Note From Tony Stillman
References: <21AC2A4A-A491-459D-B15D-8FC34CE5912B@cox.net>
	<6792ef121002241452s603f2584pf0e2115e43b1732d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A886D0C8BFBB444D83E0D79F96F94E85@kenpc>

meant "word"...
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Hoard 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 4:52 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Note From Tony Stillman


  Next thing you know, Ron will be referring to us glow power guys as the "Proletariat"

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat


  On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

    I just got the following from Tony Stillman.  Please respond to Tony;  I no longer fly "slimer" airplanes.  :- )

    Ron Van Putte

    Ron:

    "For some reason, my e-mails to the NSRCA list are not going through? Could you please ask a question for me?

    "I need to know what battery the guys are using to power the ignition on the YS170?s with ignition."

    Tony Stillman, President
    Radio South, Inc.
    139 Altama Connector, Box 322
    Brunswick, GA  31525
    1-800-962-7802
    www.radiosouthrc.com


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From spa364 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 05:56:52 2010
From: spa364 at gmail.com (Doug Harvel)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 14:56:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
In-Reply-To: <C0F227D3-0268-4A53-926A-6B138D3EF1A1@cox.net>
References: <JGECJPKHFCGHOPOLPIAHKEAECEAA.lodomjr@verizon.net>
	<C0F227D3-0268-4A53-926A-6B138D3EF1A1@cox.net>
Message-ID: <54ccb7be1002250656j586559f7o79bf1e895c8a7b10@mail.gmail.com>

Go to NSRCA District 3 Website, then you have to click on the top,
"Calender"
to get more details....How is that for simplicity....Doug
Harvel...aka...BOPOD

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> Yeah, that's true, but we all wanted to go down to Lakeland, FL where it
> would be nice and warm, so we didn't care whether the contest was even
> sanctioned.  So, off we went to Lakeland, only to about freeze off any
> uncovered extremities.
>
> Ron
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2010, at 6:12 PM, Larry Odom wrote:
>
> You know Ron my contest did not make the AMA Contest Calendar either.  It
>> was sanction but they never put it on their site.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ron Van
>> Putte
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 7:13 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
>>
>>
>> That's right, but at least the AMA knows about and lists the Ocala
>> contest contest on the web site, even though there's nothing other
>> than the date on the NSRCA D3 site about it.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Lawrence Odom wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mr. Van Putte,
>>>
>>> Don't forget we go to Ocala in March before Alabaster in April.   lol.
>>>
>>> Larry
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:55 AM
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alabaster, AL Contest
>>>
>>>
>>> AMA does not seem to know about a contest in Alabaster, AL on
>>>> April  17th and 18th.  Other than the date ,neither does the NSRCA
>>>> D3 site.   Does anyone know the status of this contest?
>>>> Ron Van Putte
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From simestd at netexpress.com  Thu Feb 25 07:40:26 2010
From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:40:26 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
Message-ID: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>


I know it's kind of an odd question, but I have a trusty 9CAP and the
chrome like finish on the front of the case has been slowly coming loose
from the underlying plastic and bubbling up.  Obviously it doesn't
affect the funcionality, but it looks pretty odd and is getting worse. 
Is this common?  Can I even get just a replacement case front?  Tony,
what do you think it would run for a tune up and to fix this?

Thanks

Tom - who has been eyeing the new fangled 2.4g stuff for a while...
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
======================================================================

From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Thu Feb 25 07:46:36 2010
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:46:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
In-Reply-To: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <2ADFFECABC694807A2C5F979A69D1A12@jaysdesktop>

Mine did the same. A new front panel, available from LHS, cost about $20 if
you install it yourself.

Jay Marshall

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tom Simes
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question


I know it's kind of an odd question, but I have a trusty 9CAP and the
chrome like finish on the front of the case has been slowly coming loose
from the underlying plastic and bubbling up.  Obviously it doesn't
affect the funcionality, but it looks pretty odd and is getting worse. 
Is this common?  Can I even get just a replacement case front?  Tony,
what do you think it would run for a tune up and to fix this?

Thanks

Tom - who has been eyeing the new fangled 2.4g stuff for a while...
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Feb 25 08:01:02 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:01:02 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
In-Reply-To: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <ABF9F0B30BEE46AFB3B2527174758773@Tony>

Tom:
I have the case fronts in stock, along with the 3 labels you will need to
replace.  It takes some tear-down time to get it all apart and back
together.  Let me know if you want the parts to do yourself, or want to send
it in...

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tom Simes
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 11:40 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question


I know it's kind of an odd question, but I have a trusty 9CAP and the
chrome like finish on the front of the case has been slowly coming loose
from the underlying plastic and bubbling up.  Obviously it doesn't
affect the funcionality, but it looks pretty odd and is getting worse. 
Is this common?  Can I even get just a replacement case front?  Tony,
what do you think it would run for a tune up and to fix this?

Thanks

Tom - who has been eyeing the new fangled 2.4g stuff for a while...
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

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From simestd at netexpress.com  Thu Feb 25 08:04:18 2010
From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:04:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
In-Reply-To: <2ADFFECABC694807A2C5F979A69D1A12@jaysdesktop>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>
	<2ADFFECABC694807A2C5F979A69D1A12@jaysdesktop>
Message-ID: <20100225080416.6c376ca4.simestd@netexpress.com>

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:46:28 -0500
"Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Mine did the same. A new front panel, available from LHS, cost about
> $20 if you install it yourself.
> 
> Jay Marshall

Good to know, thanks Jay!  In Googling around, I found these part
numbers from a 2005 post:

HSP78235 1M10E22901 FRONT CASE 9C
HSP78238 1M10E23101 FRONT PANEL 9C

Do you happen to know which you ordered or did you just get both?

-- 
Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
======================================================================

From lightfoot at sc.rr.com  Thu Feb 25 08:07:11 2010
From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:07:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
In-Reply-To: <20100225080416.6c376ca4.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <D49792DFEDB74EC593A4335A40CB4435@jaysdesktop>

I got the front panel.

Jay Marshall

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tom Simes
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:04 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:46:28 -0500
"Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Mine did the same. A new front panel, available from LHS, cost about
> $20 if you install it yourself.
> 
> Jay Marshall

Good to know, thanks Jay!  In Googling around, I found these part
numbers from a 2005 post:

HSP78235 1M10E22901 FRONT CASE 9C
HSP78238 1M10E23101 FRONT PANEL 9C

Do you happen to know which you ordered or did you just get both?

-- 
Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Feb 25 08:12:08 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:12:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
In-Reply-To: <20100225080416.6c376ca4.simestd@netexpress.com>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com><2ADFFECABC694807A2C5F979A69D1A12@jaysdesktop>
	<20100225080416.6c376ca4.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <4D2020B4935F463E8F56574C5A0AAAAA@Tony>

The front panel has a new number... HSP78808

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tom Simes
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:04 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:46:28 -0500
"Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> wrote:

> Mine did the same. A new front panel, available from LHS, cost about
> $20 if you install it yourself.
> 
> Jay Marshall

Good to know, thanks Jay!  In Googling around, I found these part
numbers from a 2005 post:

HSP78235 1M10E22901 FRONT CASE 9C
HSP78238 1M10E23101 FRONT PANEL 9C

Do you happen to know which you ordered or did you just get both?

-- 
Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
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From simestd at netexpress.com  Thu Feb 25 08:15:21 2010
From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:15:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
In-Reply-To: <ABF9F0B30BEE46AFB3B2527174758773@Tony>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>
	<ABF9F0B30BEE46AFB3B2527174758773@Tony>
Message-ID: <20100225081519.523d125d.simestd@netexpress.com>

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:00:59 -0500
"Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

> Tom:
> I have the case fronts in stock, along with the 3 labels you will need
> to replace.  It takes some tear-down time to get it all apart and back
> together.  Let me know if you want the parts to do yourself, or want
> to send it in...

Thanks Tony,

I'm thinking I'll send it in, it's been a few years since the radio has
been in for a check up and the piece of mind is well worth it!  We got
another 4 inches of snow at the house already this morning and it's
still coming down, so no better time than the present...

On a related note, what 2.4g module do you like?  I don't have any 2.4g
gear at the moment so I'm not wedded to a technology yet.  The Spectrum
bind and fly indoor setups are pretty compelling though...

-- 
Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
======================================================================

From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Feb 25 08:29:15 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:29:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
In-Reply-To: <20100225081519.523d125d.simestd@netexpress.com>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com><ABF9F0B30BEE46AFB3B2527174758773@Tony>
	<20100225081519.523d125d.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <2060596FBA71401FA134B7AFB9A383D0@Tony>

I like the Futaba FASST stuff, but I do understand about the Bind-N-Fly.
That is really nice for the indoor stuff!  

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tom Simes
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:00:59 -0500
"Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

> Tom:
> I have the case fronts in stock, along with the 3 labels you will need
> to replace.  It takes some tear-down time to get it all apart and back
> together.  Let me know if you want the parts to do yourself, or want
> to send it in...

Thanks Tony,

I'm thinking I'll send it in, it's been a few years since the radio has
been in for a check up and the piece of mind is well worth it!  We got
another 4 inches of snow at the house already this morning and it's
still coming down, so no better time than the present...

On a related note, what 2.4g module do you like?  I don't have any 2.4g
gear at the moment so I'm not wedded to a technology yet.  The Spectrum
bind and fly indoor setups are pretty compelling though...

-- 
Tom
 
======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com 
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From vanputte at cox.net  Thu Feb 25 08:49:31 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 17:49:31 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Now 2.4g Question
In-Reply-To: <20100225081519.523d125d.simestd@netexpress.com>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>
	<ABF9F0B30BEE46AFB3B2527174758773@Tony>
	<20100225081519.523d125d.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <22C00D83-9E96-45FE-97C9-9D2FA03A4BE7@cox.net>

A couple of evenings ago I converted my 20+ year old Futaba 9VAP  
transmitter to 2.4 GHz, using the Hitec 2.4 GHz transmitter module/ 
receiver package.  It was more difficult to mod this transmitter than  
it would be for many transmitters, because I had to remove the back  
and sides of the transmitter and the main circuit board in order  
access the base of the 72 MHz antenna to remove it.   Nevertheless, I  
got it back together and it works perfectly.

On a lot of transmitters which use modules, you can remove the  
antenna simply by unscrewing it and pulling it out.  If you have a  
transmitter like this, the conversion to 2.4 GHz with the Hitec 2.4  
GHz module/receiver package would take less than five minutes and  
would cost about $100 for the transmitter module/receiver package.   
It's a cheap, easy way to get a 2.4 GHz system and you could easily  
convert it back to 72 MHz if you wanted to.

Ron Van Putte


On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Tom Simes wrote:

>
> On a related note, what 2.4g module do you like?  I don't have any  
> 2.4g
> gear at the moment so I'm not wedded to a technology yet.  The  
> Spectrum
> bind and fly indoor setups are pretty compelling though...
>
> -- 
> Tom
>
> ======================================================================
>    "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
>          sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B
>
> Tom Simes                                       simestd at netexpress.com
> ======================================================================

From precisionaero at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 25 09:29:36 2010
From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:29:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lipo battery question
In-Reply-To: <22C00D83-9E96-45FE-97C9-9D2FA03A4BE7@cox.net>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>,
	<ABF9F0B30BEE46AFB3B2527174758773@Tony>,
	<20100225081519.523d125d.simestd@netexpress.com>,
	<22C00D83-9E96-45FE-97C9-9D2FA03A4BE7@cox.net>
Message-ID: <BLU115-W5F350454B79FF8190667FA0400@phx.gbl>


I am NOT going electric yet, but I do need to look up some info on the same types of battery packs the electric crowd uses.  What are a few good websites I can look over?

 

Thanks,

 

Mike C
 		 	   		  
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From jonlowe at aol.com  Thu Feb 25 09:53:43 2010
From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:53:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question
In-Reply-To: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>
Message-ID: <8CC8462E3BF0140-3DA0-16B5@webmail-d017.sysops.aol.com>


 Most of them in our club have done it, some more, some less.  Bad news is I've seen similar issues with the 14mz.  Sweat seems to be a factor on them.

Not to leave JR out, as the paint on the back of my 12x is coming off...

 

Jon Lowe
 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Simes <simestd at netexpress.com>
To: NSRCA Mailing List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thu, Feb 25, 2010 10:40 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question



I know it's kind of an odd question, but I have a trusty 9CAP and the
chrome like finish on the front of the case has been slowly coming loose
from the underlying plastic and bubbling up.  Obviously it doesn't
affect the funcionality, but it looks pretty odd and is getting worse. 
Is this common?  Can I even get just a replacement case front?  Tony,
what do you think it would run for a tune up and to fix this?

Thanks

Tom - who has been eyeing the new fangled 2.4g stuff for a while...
 
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From bob at toprudder.com  Thu Feb 25 10:06:10 2010
From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:06:10 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question, now 2.4g
In-Reply-To: <2060596FBA71401FA134B7AFB9A383D0@Tony>
Message-ID: <213287.79893.qm@web1114.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Tom,
?
I have gone about this three different ways. 
?
1) Buy a native?2.4g transmitter. If you go this route, you will have?advantages. Typically you will have a lower latency if you go this route (quicker response). With the Futaba radios, like my 10C, you can use various FASST recievers without having to worry if they are 1024 (7ch or lower) or 2048 (8ch or higher). You only have to tell the transmitter which it is when you program a new model. With the native 2.4g Spektrum/JR you have the "model match" feature that you won't get if you buy a Spektrum module. And, to my knowledge, this is the only way to get more than 8 channels transmitted (I may be wrong)
?
2) Buy a Futaba module. You will be limited to 8 channels (with the TM-8 module) since this uses the PPM mode output of the transmitter. This module has a 7/8 channel switch that you have to change if you fly different planes with different receivers (1024 vs 2048). Very small switch, pain to change, and probably not made to change very often. I prefer the antenna on this to the Spektrum modules, and it is very easy to change back/forth with 72 MHz modules. I have a TM-8 module, but hardly use it anymore. I have migrated all my stuff over to my 10C radio.
?
3) Buy a Spektrum module. You are still limited to 8 channels. I don't like the coax cable hanging out of the module going to the external antenna. The big advantage to this is all the bind-n-fly stuff out there, and is exactly the reason I have one.
?
Knowing what I know now, I would recommend you get a Spektrum module, and buy a native 2.4g transmitter (like the 8FG or 10C). Use your 9C to fly the bind-n-fly stuff and the new radio for everything else. But, this is JMHO, FWIW.
?
Hope this helps.
?
Bob R.


--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:



I like the Futaba FASST stuff, but I do understand about the Bind-N-Fly.
That is really nice for the indoor stuff!? 

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA? 31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tom Simes
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:00:59 -0500
"Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

> Tom:
> I have the case fronts in stock, along with the 3 labels you will need
> to replace.? It takes some tear-down time to get it all apart and back
> together.? Let me know if you want the parts to do yourself, or want
> to send it in...

Thanks Tony,

I'm thinking I'll send it in, it's been a few years since the radio has
been in for a check up and the piece of mind is well worth it!? We got
another 4 inches of snow at the house already this morning and it's
still coming down, so no better time than the present...

On a related note, what 2.4g module do you like?? I don't have any 2.4g
gear at the moment so I'm not wedded to a technology yet.? The Spectrum
bind and fly indoor setups are pretty compelling though...

-- 
Tom

======================================================================
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? ? ? ???sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

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From tony at radiosouthrc.com  Thu Feb 25 10:25:41 2010
From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:25:41 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question, now 2.4g
In-Reply-To: <213287.79893.qm@web1114.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
References: <2060596FBA71401FA134B7AFB9A383D0@Tony>
	<213287.79893.qm@web1114.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8976E396A65C46F882AF3CD1C3401B44@Tony>

Spektrum did finally get smart and make a module with a built in transmitter
antenna so you don't have to deal with the wires. However I don't think it
is available yet for Futaba transmitters, only JR.

 

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 2:05 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question, now 2.4g

 


Tom,

 

I have gone about this three different ways. 

 

1) Buy a native 2.4g transmitter. If you go this route, you will have
advantages. Typically you will have a lower latency if you go this route
(quicker response). With the Futaba radios, like my 10C, you can use various
FASST recievers without having to worry if they are 1024 (7ch or lower) or
2048 (8ch or higher). You only have to tell the transmitter which it is when
you program a new model. With the native 2.4g Spektrum/JR you have the
"model match" feature that you won't get if you buy a Spektrum module. And,
to my knowledge, this is the only way to get more than 8 channels
transmitted (I may be wrong)

 

2) Buy a Futaba module. You will be limited to 8 channels (with the TM-8
module) since this uses the PPM mode output of the transmitter. This module
has a 7/8 channel switch that you have to change if you fly different planes
with different receivers (1024 vs 2048). Very small switch, pain to change,
and probably not made to change very often. I prefer the antenna on this to
the Spektrum modules, and it is very easy to change back/forth with 72 MHz
modules. I have a TM-8 module, but hardly use it anymore. I have migrated
all my stuff over to my 10C radio.

 

3) Buy a Spektrum module. You are still limited to 8 channels. I don't like
the coax cable hanging out of the module going to the external antenna. The
big advantage to this is all the bind-n-fly stuff out there, and is exactly
the reason I have one.

 

Knowing what I know now, I would recommend you get a Spektrum module, and
buy a native 2.4g transmitter (like the 8FG or 10C). Use your 9C to fly the
bind-n-fly stuff and the new radio for everything else. But, this is JMHO,
FWIW.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Bob R.



--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

 

I like the Futaba FASST stuff, but I do understand about the Bind-N-Fly.
That is really nice for the indoor stuff!  

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA  31525
1-800-962-7802
www.radiosouthrc.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.
nsrca.org> 
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
<http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.
nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of Tom Simes
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:15 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question

On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 12:00:59 -0500
"Tony" <tony at radiosouthrc.com
<http://us.mc11.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=tony at radiosouthrc.com> > wrote:

> Tom:
> I have the case fronts in stock, along with the 3 labels you will need
> to replace.  It takes some tear-down time to get it all apart and back
> together.  Let me know if you want the parts to do yourself, or want
> to send it in...

Thanks Tony,

I'm thinking I'll send it in, it's been a few years since the radio has
been in for a check up and the piece of mind is well worth it!  We got
another 4 inches of snow at the house already this morning and it's
still coming down, so no better time than the present...

On a related note, what 2.4g module do you like?  I don't have any 2.4g
gear at the moment so I'm not wedded to a technology yet.  The Spectrum
bind and fly indoor setups are pretty compelling though...

-- 
Tom

======================================================================
   "Z-80 system stack overflow.  Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's
         sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B

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From ghwatson at comcast.net  Thu Feb 25 10:54:18 2010
From: ghwatson at comcast.net (Glen Watson)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:54:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lipo battery question
In-Reply-To: <BLU115-W5F350454B79FF8190667FA0400@phx.gbl>
References: <20100225074024.4038ec5e.simestd@netexpress.com>,
	<ABF9F0B30BEE46AFB3B2527174758773@Tony>,
	<20100225081519.523d125d.simestd@netexpress.com>,
	<22C00D83-9E96-45FE-97C9-9D2FA03A4BE7@cox.net>
	<BLU115-W5F350454B79FF8190667FA0400@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A1F9D19CC6DF4EE4BD0C7343A6858851@GWPersonal>

Chris Moon's site is a good starting place.

 

http://www.electric-f3a.com/

 

Regards,

 

Glen Watson

Precision RC <http://glenwatson.blogspot.com/>  Aerobatics Blog

 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:30 PM
To: NSRCA
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lipo battery question

 

I am NOT going electric yet, but I do need to look up some info on the same
types of battery packs the electric crowd uses.  What are a few good
websites I can look over?
 
Thanks,
 
Mike C

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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Thu Feb 25 11:23:00 2010
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:23:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <8976E396A65C46F882AF3CD1C3401B44@Tony>
Message-ID: <2108.5466.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I saw an aftermarket 90-degree 2.4G antenna a while ago that looked like it would work for the Spektrum module but?I can't find the link anymore.?I have?a Spektrum module on my Futaba Tx and I hate the cobbed up antenna scheme that they come with. If anyone finds a GOOD replacement?antenna, let me know.
?
John Pavlick

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:


From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 9CAP case finish question, now 2.4g
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:25 PM








Spektrum did finally get smart and make a module with a built in transmitter antenna so you don?t have to deal with the wires? However I don?t think it is available yet for Futaba transmitters, only JR.
?

Tony Stillman, President
Radio South, Inc.
139 Altama Connector, Box 322
Brunswick, GA ? 31525
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From wemodels at cox.net  Thu Feb 25 11:30:39 2010
From: wemodels at cox.net (Bill's Email)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:30:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <2108.5466.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <2108.5466.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B86DDEB.1040808@cox.net>

John Pavlick wrote:
> I saw an aftermarket 90-degree 2.4G antenna a while ago that looked 
> like it would work for the Spektrum module but I can't find the link 
> anymore. I have a Spektrum module on my Futaba Tx and I hate the 
> cobbed up antenna scheme that they come with. If anyone finds a GOOD 
> replacement antenna, let me know.
>  
> John Pavlick
>


Maybe Tony can chime in here, but as far as I know it is illegal to 
change the antenna on a FCC certified module. The RF module is certified 
with THAT antenna and is not legal with any other antenna, unless 
specifically certified as well.




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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Thu Feb 25 11:36:03 2010
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:36:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <4B86DDEB.1040808@cox.net>
Message-ID: <968639.25275.qm@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Good point. I'm not sure if the antenna that?I saw was made specifically for the Spektrum module or not but?I think it was. That being said, if it was made in China?I would still be concerned about the "legality" unless it specifically stated that it was tested and certified.
?
John Pavlick

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:


From: Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:30 PM


John Pavlick wrote: 





I saw an aftermarket 90-degree 2.4G antenna a while ago that looked like it would work for the Spektrum module but?I can't find the link anymore.?I have?a Spektrum module on my Futaba Tx and I hate the cobbed up antenna scheme that they come with. If anyone finds a GOOD replacement?antenna, let me know.
?
John Pavlick



Maybe Tony can chime in here, but as far as I know it is illegal to change the antenna on a FCC certified module. The RF module is certified with THAT antenna and is not legal with any other antenna, unless specifically certified as well.





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From shannah1806 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 11:52:25 2010
From: shannah1806 at gmail.com (Steve Hannah)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:52:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <4B86DDEB.1040808@cox.net>
References: <2108.5466.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4B86DDEB.1040808@cox.net>
Message-ID: <498058F7-6D3F-4EFD-99B8-348E69D47B6C@gmail.com>

Usually, as long as the antenna gain is the same then you are ok. I  
would be really concerned, however, about swapping antennas unless you  
have really done your homework. In general, it's a bad idea.  My guess  
is that you won't get the specific antenna info from Spektrum so you  
would have no way of knowing whether your aftermarket antenna is the  
same gain or pattern.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 25, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:

> John Pavlick wrote:
>>
>> I saw an aftermarket 90-degree 2.4G antenna a while ago that looked  
>> like it would work for the Spektrum module but I can't find the  
>> link anymore. I have a Spektrum module on my Futaba Tx and I hate  
>> the cobbed up antenna scheme that they come with. If anyone finds a  
>> GOOD replacement antenna, let me know.
>>
>> John Pavlick
>>
>
>
> Maybe Tony can chime in here, but as far as I know it is illegal to  
> change the antenna on a FCC certified module. The RF module is  
> certified with THAT antenna and is not legal with any other antenna,  
> unless specifically certified as well.
>
>
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From wemodels at cox.net  Thu Feb 25 11:57:19 2010
From: wemodels at cox.net (Bill's Email)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:57:19 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <498058F7-6D3F-4EFD-99B8-348E69D47B6C@gmail.com>
References: <2108.5466.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>	<4B86DDEB.1040808@cox.net>
	<498058F7-6D3F-4EFD-99B8-348E69D47B6C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B86E42D.1030205@cox.net>

Steve Hannah wrote:
> Usually, as long as the antenna gain is the same then you are ok.


My point was not that the antenna may not work. It was that according to 
the FCC you can only use the RF module with the antenna that it was 
certified with. This is no real big deal except for the fact that the 
AMA wants you to comply with all FCC regulations. Chances of it being an 
issue are pretty small, but that does not change the technical legality 
of using an uncertified antenna.

Next time I'm in Wal-Mart I'm going to swap out an new antenna on one of 
the carts and take it for a spin!! :~}  Mostly I love that this comment 
will make absolutely no sense to 99.9999% of the people out there!!





From jtarpinian at yahoo.com  Thu Feb 25 12:04:18 2010
From: jtarpinian at yahoo.com (john tarpinian)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 21:04:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <968639.25275.qm@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <169737.24842.qm@web51403.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I've used this one for indoor flying?on a Futaba 9C with a Spectrum module.? Works fine.
?
http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=145
?


--- On Thu, 2/25/10, John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com> wrote:


From: John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:35 PM







Good point. I'm not sure if the antenna that?I saw was made specifically for the Spektrum module or not but?I think it was. That being said, if it was made in China?I would still be concerned about the "legality" unless it specifically stated that it was tested and certified.
?
John Pavlick

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:


From: Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 3:30 PM


John Pavlick wrote: 





I saw an aftermarket 90-degree 2.4G antenna a while ago that looked like it would work for the Spektrum module but?I can't find the link anymore.?I have?a Spektrum module on my Futaba Tx and I hate the cobbed up antenna scheme that they come with. If anyone finds a GOOD replacement?antenna, let me know.
?
John Pavlick



Maybe Tony can chime in here, but as far as I know it is illegal to change the antenna on a FCC certified module. The RF module is certified with THAT antenna and is not legal with any other antenna, unless specifically certified as well.





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From shannah1806 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 25 13:36:42 2010
From: shannah1806 at gmail.com (steve hannah)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:36:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <4B86E42D.1030205@cox.net>
References: <2108.5466.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Bill is correct, you can't just swap antennas and be legal.  There are a lot
of complexities when it comes to how something is certified under part 15,
as all of our 2.4GHz radio equipments are.  I haven't looked at my Futaba
TM-14 module lately ( I sort of take it for granted), but I don't believe I
can remove the antenna, as there is no connector.  I may be wrong.  However,
that is exactly what the Part 15 regulations intend.  If your module is to
be installed by someone other than a professional then your antenna can't
have a connector (or standard electronics connector) on it.  I am not sure
why Spektrum antennas have a connector on them, as it seems that the casual
user could remove it and replace it.  I guess someone with more time on
their hands than me would have to read their FCC authorization.  If your
antenna is removed and replaced then it must be with an antenna that is
electrically identical to the one that was used for testing and
authorization.  The casual user has no way on earth to tell if this is the
case, so if they modify their transmitter in this fashion then they are
breaking the law.  FCC fines can be pretty steep.

My recommendation is don't even try it.  Just because you can stick an
antenna on your RF module, it doesn't mean that you should try it.  Stick
with the manufacturer's parts.



On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:

> Steve Hannah wrote:
>
>> Usually, as long as the antenna gain is the same then you are ok.
>>
>
>
> My point was not that the antenna may not work. It was that according to
> the FCC you can only use the RF module with the antenna that it was
> certified with. This is no real big deal except for the fact that the AMA
> wants you to comply with all FCC regulations. Chances of it being an issue
> are pretty small, but that does not change the technical legality of using
> an uncertified antenna.
>
> Next time I'm in Wal-Mart I'm going to swap out an new antenna on one of
> the carts and take it for a spin!! :~}  Mostly I love that this comment will
> make absolutely no sense to 99.9999% of the people out there!!
>
>
>
>
>
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From jpavlick at idseng.com  Thu Feb 25 13:47:29 2010
From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:47:29 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <c3f99b711002251436pb4901fn603b20abf8b60418@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <380147.53917.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Yup?I hear you. Just like in the old days when people used to <illegally> swap transmitter crystals on non-modular radios. Just because it "works" doesn't mean it's working within the requirements of the FCC.
?
John Pavlick

--- On Thu, 2/25/10, steve hannah <shannah1806 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: steve hannah <shannah1806 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 5:36 PM


Bill is correct, you can't just swap antennas and be legal.? There are a lot of complexities when it comes to how something is certified under part 15, as all of our 2.4GHz radio equipments are.? I haven't looked at my Futaba TM-14 module lately ( I sort of take it for granted), but I don't believe I can remove the antenna, as there is no connector.? I may be wrong.? However, that is exactly what the Part 15 regulations intend.? If your module is to be installed by someone other than a professional then your antenna can't have a connector (or standard electronics connector) on it.? I am not sure why Spektrum antennas have a connector on them, as it seems that the casual user could remove it and replace it.? I guess someone with more time on their hands than me would have to read their FCC authorization.? If your antenna is removed and replaced then it must be with an antenna that is electrically identical to the one that was used for testing and
 authorization.? The casual user has no way on earth to tell if this is the case, so if they modify their transmitter in this fashion then they are breaking the law.? FCC fines can be pretty steep.

My recommendation is don't even try it.? Just because you can stick an antenna on your RF module, it doesn't mean that you should try it.? Stick with the manufacturer's parts.




On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:


Steve Hannah wrote:

Usually, as long as the antenna gain is the same then you are ok.


My point was not that the antenna may not work. It was that according to the FCC you can only use the RF module with the antenna that it was certified with. This is no real big deal except for the fact that the AMA wants you to comply with all FCC regulations. Chances of it being an issue are pretty small, but that does not change the technical legality of using an uncertified antenna.

Next time I'm in Wal-Mart I'm going to swap out an new antenna on one of the carts and take it for a spin!! :~} ?Mostly I love that this comment will make absolutely no sense to 99.9999% of the people out there!!







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From wemodels at cox.net  Thu Feb 25 13:49:43 2010
From: wemodels at cox.net (Bill's Email)
Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 22:49:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2.4g antenna
In-Reply-To: <380147.53917.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <380147.53917.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B86FE78.5070601@cox.net>

John Pavlick wrote:
> Yup I hear you. Just like in the old days when people used to 
> <illegally> swap transmitter crystals on non-modular radios. Just 
> because it "works" doesn't mean it's working within the requirements 
> of the FCC.
>  
> John Pavlick
>


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From billt2 at verizon.net  Thu Feb 25 16:52:35 2010
From: billt2 at verizon.net (BILL THOMPSON)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:52:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] email
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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Thu Feb 25 16:54:25 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 01:54:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] email
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861C1C@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

Hmmm ... I think I do. Try atwoodm at paragon-inc.com.  That's the most recent one I've seen. 
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Sent: Thu Feb 25 20:52:07 2010
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] email

Does anyone have Mark Atwood's email 

From kthompson56 at satx.rr.com  Thu Feb 25 17:00:43 2010
From: kthompson56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 02:00:43 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] email
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To: <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 25, 2010 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] email


> Hmmm ... I think I do. Try atwoodm at paragon-inc.com.  That's the most 
> recent one I've seen.
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From jgghome at comcast.net  Thu Feb 25 20:38:54 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:38:54 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
Message-ID: <4B875E5E.3070309@comcast.net>


The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces and are 
very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the weights of the 
components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at 3.2 ounces 
which is a substantial difference.
This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I intend to 
add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0 degrees and 
a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.

 I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get any 
further along.

1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular more 
flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 degrees 
built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?

Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into these 
problems and found solutions that are working for you.

Thanks



From verne at twmi.rr.com  Thu Feb 25 21:28:34 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 06:28:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <4B875E5E.3070309@comcast.net>
References: <4B875E5E.3070309@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <000001cab6ac$eab1a020$c014e060$@rr.com>

John,
With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the down thrust to .5
down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently finishing my third one and
got it right on the second one. Now I'm just duplicating it. Actually, the
first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the settings I just gave
you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge with no mix. The
extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at the top of tall
verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and called that 0. Your
wing will actually be slightly negative to that so you'll need to increase
the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2 degrees down so
you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't help on the gear, I used
Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube or just a little
rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.

Verne Koester

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear


The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces and are 
very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the weights of the 
components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at 3.2 ounces 
which is a substantial difference.
This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I intend to 
add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0 degrees and 
a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.

 I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get any 
further along.

1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular more 
flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 degrees 
built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?

Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into these 
problems and found solutions that are working for you.

Thanks


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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Fri Feb 26 05:29:38 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:29:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <000001cab6ac$eab1a020$c014e060$@rr.com>
Message-ID: <1833983682.8446151267194577755.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Verne, 



Just curiosity .? When you said "add 1/32 right thrust", means to add to the one is already set at the nose ring?? Is?1/32" is at the tip of the prop? 



Thanks, 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Verne Koester " < verne @ twmi . rr .com> 
To: "General pattern discussion" < nsrca -discussion at lists. nsrca .org> 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [ NSRCA -discussion] Integral Landing gear 

John, 
With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the down thrust to .5 
down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently finishing my third one and 
got it right on the second one. Now I'm just duplicating it. Actually, the 
first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the settings I just gave 
you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge with no mix. The 
extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at the top of tall 
verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and called that 0. Your 
wing will actually be slightly negative to that so you'll need to increase 
the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2 degrees down so 
you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't help on the gear, I used 
Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube or just a little 
rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps. 

Verne Koester 

-----Original Message----- 
From: nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org 
[ mailto : nsrca -discussion-bounces at lists. nsrca .org] On Behalf Of John Gayer 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM 
To: NSRCA Mailing List 
Subject: [ NSRCA -discussion] Integral Landing gear 


The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces and are 
very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the weights of the 
components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at 3.2 ounces 
which is a substantial difference. 
This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I intend to 
add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0 degrees and 
a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees. 

?I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get any 
further along. 

1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular more 
flexible? ?Height of the gear should be about 8 inches. 
2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 degrees 
built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ? 
3. Should the sidethrust be reduced? 

Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into these 
problems and found solutions that are working for you. 

Thanks 


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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Feb 26 05:47:52 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 14:47:52 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <4B875E5E.3070309@comcast.net>
References: <4B875E5E.3070309@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <7F91AEBB-CB1C-4248-8C15-4C7D234F3FB8@cox.net>

I can't say whether Graph Tech has a direct replacement for the  
Integral landing gear, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't.  I  
am very impressed with the quality and prices of their "stuff".   
Their web site is: http://www.graphtechrcshop.com/  Their e-mail  
address is ohiocarbon at aol.com and the phone number is 832 335 0328.   
If you call, Brian may answer the phone, but ask to talk to Mike  
because he's the one who really knows what's going on.

Ron

On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:38 PM, John Gayer wrote:

>
> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces  
> and are very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the  
> weights of the components on RC Universe that the gear legs were  
> listed at 3.2 ounces which is a substantial difference.
> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I  
> intend to add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of  
> 0.0 degrees and a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
>
> I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get  
> any further along.
>
> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular  
> more flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2  
> degrees built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
>
> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into  
> these problems and found solutions that are working for you.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From jlachow at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 26 07:48:53 2010
From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:48:53 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <7F91AEBB-CB1C-4248-8C15-4C7D234F3FB8@cox.net>
References: <4B875E5E.3070309@comcast.net>,
	<7F91AEBB-CB1C-4248-8C15-4C7D234F3FB8@cox.net>
Message-ID: <SNT104-W3886A7BBC5F1D8AE54F66EBB3F0@phx.gbl>


Check with Chris Moon at F3aunlimited.com. He has the Graphtech Bolly Clones as well as Delro and ZNline CF Gear that probably can be used.
 
> From: vanputte at cox.net
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:51:19 -0600
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> I can't say whether Graph Tech has a direct replacement for the 
> Integral landing gear, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't. I 
> am very impressed with the quality and prices of their "stuff". 
> Their web site is: http://www.graphtechrcshop.com/ Their e-mail 
> address is ohiocarbon at aol.com and the phone number is 832 335 0328. 
> If you call, Brian may answer the phone, but ask to talk to Mike 
> because he's the one who really knows what's going on.
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:38 PM, John Gayer wrote:
> 
> >
> > The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces 
> > and are very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the 
> > weights of the components on RC Universe that the gear legs were 
> > listed at 3.2 ounces which is a substantial difference.
> > This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I 
> > intend to add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 
> > 0.0 degrees and a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> >
> > I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get 
> > any further along.
> >
> > 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular 
> > more flexible? Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
> > 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 
> > degrees built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> > 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
> >
> > Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into 
> > these problems and found solutions that are working for you.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Fri Feb 26 09:21:45 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:21:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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I added 1/32? to the face of the nose ring on the fuse on the left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do the math, it equates to adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it was to block the fuse up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the stab which I used as my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of 1/32? balsa to the left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge. Then I applied a very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the entire face of the nose ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I wiped off the excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film between the angle plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive and the angle plate was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my nose ring now has .5 down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little square of 1/32 balsa canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all sounds very heavy, but the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to think about this for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse is at .5 positive, then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at 0.

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

 

Verne,

 

Just curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right thrust", means to add to the one is already set at the nose ring?  Is 1/32" is at the tip of the prop?

 

Thanks,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

John,
With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the down thrust to .5
down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently finishing my third one and
got it right on the second one. Now I'm just duplicating it. Actually, the
first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the settings I just gave
you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge with no mix. The
extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at the top of tall
verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and called that 0. Your
wing will actually be slightly negative to that so you'll need to increase
the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2 degrees down so
you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't help on the gear, I used
Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube or just a little
rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.

Verne Koester

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear


The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces and are 
very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the weights of the 
components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at 3.2 ounces 
which is a substantial difference.
This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I intend to 
add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0 degrees and 
a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.

 I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get any 
further along.

1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular more 
flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 degrees 
built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?

Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into these 
problems and found solutions that are working for you.

Thanks


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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Fri Feb 26 09:26:11 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:26:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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You can also get direct copy, molded from the original, Bolly clones from
http://www.aeroproduct.net/ .

 

Verne

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 11:49 AM
To: NSRCA Discussion List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

 

Check with Chris Moon at F3aunlimited.com. He has the Graphtech Bolly Clones
as well as Delro and ZNline CF Gear that probably can be used.
 
> From: vanputte at cox.net
> Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 08:51:19 -0600
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> I can't say whether Graph Tech has a direct replacement for the 
> Integral landing gear, but I'd be very surprised if they didn't. I 
> am very impressed with the quality and prices of their "stuff". 
> Their web site is: http://www.graphtechrcshop.com/ Their e-mail 
> address is ohiocarbon at aol.com and the phone number is 832 335 0328. 
> If you call, Brian may answer the phone, but ask to talk to Mike 
> because he's the one who really knows what's going on.
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Feb 25, 2010, at 11:38 PM, John Gayer wrote:
> 
> >
> > The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces 
> > and are very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the 
> > weights of the components on RC Universe that the gear legs were 
> > listed at 3.2 ounces which is a substantial difference.
> > This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I 
> > intend to add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 
> > 0.0 degrees and a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> >
> > I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get 
> > any further along.
> >
> > 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular 
> > more flexible? Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
> > 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 
> > degrees built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> > 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
> >
> > Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into 
> > these problems and found solutions that are working for you.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Fri Feb 26 10:09:21 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 19:09:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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Verne, 



Very clear and it is very good tip.? Thank you, 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com> 
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:21:44 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear 




I added 1/32? to the face of the nose ring on the fuse on the left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do the math, it equates to adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it was to block the fuse up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the stab which I used as my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of 1/32? balsa to the left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge. Then I applied a very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the entire face of the nose ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I wiped off the excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film between the angle plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive and the angle plate was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my nose ring now has .5 down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little square of 1/32 balsa canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all sounds very heavy, but the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to think about this for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse is at .5 positive, then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at 0. 



Verne 





From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM 
To: General pattern discussion 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear 




Verne, 



Just curiosity.? When you said "add 1/32 right thrust", means to add to the one is already set at the nose ring?? Is?1/32" is at the tip of the prop? 



Thanks, 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com> 
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear 

John, 
With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the down thrust to .5 
down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently finishing my third one and 
got it right on the second one. Now I'm just duplicating it. Actually, the 
first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the settings I just gave 
you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge with no mix. The 
extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at the top of tall 
verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and called that 0. Your 
wing will actually be slightly negative to that so you'll need to increase 
the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2 degrees down so 
you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't help on the gear, I used 
Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube or just a little 
rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps. 

Verne Koester 

-----Original Message----- 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer 
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM 
To: NSRCA Mailing List 
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear 


The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces and are 
very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the weights of the 
components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at 3.2 ounces 
which is a substantial difference. 
This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I intend to 
add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0 degrees and 
a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees. 

?I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get any 
further along. 

1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular more 
flexible? ?Height of the gear should be about 8 inches. 
2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 degrees 
built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ? 
3. Should the sidethrust be reduced? 

Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into these 
problems and found solutions that are working for you. 

Thanks 


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From jgghome at comcast.net  Fri Feb 26 11:11:01 2010
From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:11:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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Thanks everyone and particularly Verne who not only answered all the 
questions but described how to make the changes. Great stuff. Believe 
I'm all set to complete the Integral now.
John

Verne Koester wrote:
>
> I added 1/32? to the face of the nose ring on the fuse on the left 
> side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do the math, it 
> equates to adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it 
> was to block the fuse up on my table at .5 degrees positive as 
> compared to the stab which I used as my 0 reference line. Then I glued 
> a little bitty square of 1/32? balsa to the left side of the nose ring 
> on the face near the outer edge. Then I applied a very thick, pasty 
> mixture of cabosil and resin to the entire face of the nose ring and 
> pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I wiped off the 
> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film between the 
> angle plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive and 
> the angle plate was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that 
> my nose ring now has .5 down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The 
> little square of 1/32 balsa canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the 
> right. This all sounds very heavy, but the weight gain was actually 
> about 4 grams. You may need to think about this for a second, but if 
> your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse is at .5 positive, then the 
> down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at 0.
>
>  
>
> Verne
>
>  
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of 
> *Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> *To:* General pattern discussion
> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
>  
>
> Verne,
>
>  
>
> Just curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right thrust", means to add 
> to the one is already set at the nose ring?  Is 1/32" is at the tip of 
> the prop?
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
> John,
> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the down thrust 
> to .5
> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently finishing my third one and
> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just duplicating it. Actually, the
> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the settings I just gave
> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge with no mix. The
> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at the top of tall
> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and called that 0. Your
> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so you'll need to increase
> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2 degrees down so
> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't help on the gear, I 
> used
> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube or just a 
> little
> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
>
> Verne Koester
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
>
> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces and are
> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the weights of the
> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at 3.2 ounces
> which is a substantial difference.
> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I intend to
> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0 degrees and
> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
>
>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get any
> further along.
>
> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular more
> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 degrees
> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
>
> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into these
> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 26 11:22:24 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:22:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about the wax paper.  How much tail weight will I need to balance the angle plate?







Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply only. No actual angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I added 1/32? to the face of
> the nose ring on the fuse on the
> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do
> the math, it equates to
> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
> was to block the fuse
> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
> stab which I used as
> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of
> 1/32? balsa to the
> left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge.
> Then I applied a
> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the
> entire face of the nose
> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
> wiped off the
> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
> between the angle
> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive
> and the angle plate
> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my
> nose ring now has .5
> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
> square of 1/32 balsa
> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
> sounds very heavy, but
> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to
> think about this
> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse
> is at .5 positive,
> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
> 0. 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> Verne 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Vicente
> "Vince" Bortone
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  ? 
> 
> 
> 
> Verne, 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Just
> curiosity.? When you said "add 1/32 right
> thrust", means to add
> to the one is already set at the nose ring??
> Is?1/32" is at the
> tip of the prop? 
> 
> ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> 
> To: "General pattern discussion"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the
> down thrust to .5
> 
> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
> finishing my third one and
> 
> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
> duplicating it. Actually, the
> 
> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the
> settings I just gave
> 
> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge
> with no mix. The
> 
> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
> the top of tall
> 
> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and
> called that 0. Your
> 
> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so
> you'll need to increase
> 
> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
> degrees down so
> 
> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't
> help on the gear, I used
> 
> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
> or just a little
> 
> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> Verne Koester
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of John Gayer
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
> 
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
> ounces and are 
> 
> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the
> weights of the 
> 
> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at
> 3.2 ounces 
> 
> which is a substantial difference.
> 
> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet
> but I intend to 
> 
> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
> degrees and 
> 
> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> 
> 
> 
> ?I have three questions that I would like to resolve
> before I get any 
> 
> further along.
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
> particular more 
> 
> flexible? ?Height of the gear should be about 8
> inches.
> 
> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately
> 2 degrees 
> 
> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> 
> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
> 
> 
> 
> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already
> run into these 
> 
> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From AtwoodDon at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 11:34:22 2010
From: AtwoodDon at aol.com (AtwoodDon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:34:22 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
Message-ID: <23dda.51212c57.38b98a3e@aol.com>



 
In a message dated 2/26/2010 12:22:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
getterflash at yahoo.com writes:

I  followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the cabosil 
and  let it cure before I read the part about the wax paper.  How much tail  
weight will I need to balance the angle  plate?







Disclaimer:  This is intended as a  humorous reply only. No actual angle 
plates or Integral Fuselages were  harmed.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Fri,  2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From:  Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> To: "'General pattern  discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday,  February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
> 
> 
> 
>   
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I added 1/32? to the face  of
> the nose ring on the fuse on the
> left side which increased  the angle by 1/32?. If you do
> the math, it equates to
> adding  about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
> was to block the  fuse
> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
>  stab which I used as
> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty  square of
> 1/32? balsa to the
> left side of the nose ring on the  face near the outer edge.
> Then I applied a
> very thick, pasty  mixture of cabosil and resin to the
> entire face of the nose
>  ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
> wiped off  the
> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
>  between the angle
> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5  positive
> and the angle plate
> was 90 degrees to the table, the  end result was that my
> nose ring now has .5
> down thrust when  the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
> square of 1/32 balsa
>  canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
> sounds very  heavy, but
> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need  to
> think about this
> for a second, but if your down thrust is  at 0 when the fuse
> is at .5 positive,
> then the down thrust  will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
> 0. 
> 
>     
> 
> Verne 
> 
>    
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From:
>  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of  Vicente
> "Vince" Bortone
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26,  2010 9:30 AM
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> 
>  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
>  
> 
> Verne, 
> 
>   
> 
>  Just
> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
> thrust",  means to add
> to the one is already set at the nose ring? 
>  Is 1/32" is at the
> tip of the prop? 
> 
>    
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince"  Bortone
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message  -----
> 
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>  
> To: "General pattern discussion"
>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Friday,  February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada Central
>  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>  
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> With the stab at 0, make the  wing .5 positive, reduce the
> down thrust to .5
> 
> down,  and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
> finishing my third one  and
> 
> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
>  duplicating it. Actually, the
> 
> first one flew great but needed  some mixing. With the
> settings I just gave
> 
> you, it'll  track straight forever on either knife edge
> with no mix. The
>  
> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
>  the top of tall
> 
> verticals. I left the stab at the factory  position and
> called that 0. Your
> 
> wing will actually  be slightly negative to that so
> you'll need to increase
>  
> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
>  degrees down so
> 
> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that.  Can't
> help on the gear, I used
> 
> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW,  set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
> or just a little
>  
> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
> 
>  
> 
> Verne Koester
> 
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> 
> From:  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of John  Gayer
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
>  
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The  landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
> ounces and are  
> 
> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed  the
> weights of the 
> 
> components on RC Universe that  the gear legs were listed at
> 3.2 ounces 
> 
> which is a  substantial difference.
> 
> This will be powered by a YS 170. I  haven't checked yet
> but I intend to 
> 
> add adjusters if  necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
> degrees and 
>  
> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> 
> 
> 
>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
> before I get  any 
> 
> further along.
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Is  there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
> particular more  
> 
> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
>  inches.
> 
> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the  approximately
> 2 degrees 
> 
> built into the nose ring to  about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> 
> 3. Should the sidethrust be  reduced?
> 
> 
> 
> Would appreciate help from those  of you who have already
> run into these 
> 
> problems and  found solutions that are working for you.
> 
> 
> 
>  Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _______________________________________________
> 
>  NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
>  NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
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> 
>  
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> 
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From AtwoodDon at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 11:36:37 2010
From: AtwoodDon at aol.com (AtwoodDon at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:36:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
Message-ID: <24032.6011b8fd.38b98ac5@aol.com>

Bob, if it's electric, just move the batteries back to mid stab  position.  
That should be about right.  If 'it glo, a slight  modification might be 
needed to make it a mid fuselage prop design similar to  some of the F3P 4D 
planes.  Should be pretty spectacular.  
 
Don Atwood
Team Acme LG
Team Placerville
 
 
In a message dated 2/26/2010 12:22:32 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
getterflash at yahoo.com writes:

I  followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the cabosil 
and  let it cure before I read the part about the wax paper.  How much tail  
weight will I need to balance the angle  plate?







Disclaimer:  This is intended as a  humorous reply only. No actual angle 
plates or Integral Fuselages were  harmed.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Fri,  2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From:  Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re:  [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> To: "'General pattern  discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday,  February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
> 
> 
> 
>   
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I added 1/32? to the face  of
> the nose ring on the fuse on the
> left side which increased  the angle by 1/32?. If you do
> the math, it equates to
> adding  about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
> was to block the  fuse
> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
>  stab which I used as
> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty  square of
> 1/32? balsa to the
> left side of the nose ring on the  face near the outer edge.
> Then I applied a
> very thick, pasty  mixture of cabosil and resin to the
> entire face of the nose
>  ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
> wiped off  the
> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
>  between the angle
> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5  positive
> and the angle plate
> was 90 degrees to the table, the  end result was that my
> nose ring now has .5
> down thrust when  the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
> square of 1/32 balsa
>  canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
> sounds very  heavy, but
> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need  to
> think about this
> for a second, but if your down thrust is  at 0 when the fuse
> is at .5 positive,
> then the down thrust  will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
> 0. 
> 
>     
> 
> Verne 
> 
>    
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From:
>  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of  Vicente
> "Vince" Bortone
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26,  2010 9:30 AM
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> 
>  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
>  
> 
> Verne, 
> 
>   
> 
>  Just
> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
> thrust",  means to add
> to the one is already set at the nose ring? 
>  Is 1/32" is at the
> tip of the prop? 
> 
>    
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince"  Bortone
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message  -----
> 
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>  
> To: "General pattern discussion"
>  <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Friday,  February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada Central
>  
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>  
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> With the stab at 0, make the  wing .5 positive, reduce the
> down thrust to .5
> 
> down,  and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
> finishing my third one  and
> 
> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
>  duplicating it. Actually, the
> 
> first one flew great but needed  some mixing. With the
> settings I just gave
> 
> you, it'll  track straight forever on either knife edge
> with no mix. The
>  
> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
>  the top of tall
> 
> verticals. I left the stab at the factory  position and
> called that 0. Your
> 
> wing will actually  be slightly negative to that so
> you'll need to increase
>  
> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
>  degrees down so
> 
> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that.  Can't
> help on the gear, I used
> 
> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW,  set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
> or just a little
>  
> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
> 
>  
> 
> Verne Koester
> 
> 
> 
>  -----Original Message-----
> 
> From:  nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of John  Gayer
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
>  
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The  landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
> ounces and are  
> 
> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed  the
> weights of the 
> 
> components on RC Universe that  the gear legs were listed at
> 3.2 ounces 
> 
> which is a  substantial difference.
> 
> This will be powered by a YS 170. I  haven't checked yet
> but I intend to 
> 
> add adjusters if  necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
> degrees and 
>  
> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> 
> 
> 
>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
> before I get  any 
> 
> further along.
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Is  there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
> particular more  
> 
> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
>  inches.
> 
> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the  approximately
> 2 degrees 
> 
> built into the nose ring to  about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> 
> 3. Should the sidethrust be  reduced?
> 
> 
> 
> Would appreciate help from those  of you who have already
> run into these 
> 
> problems and  found solutions that are working for you.
> 
> 
> 
>  Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  _______________________________________________
> 
>  NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
>  NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
>  http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
>  
> 
> 
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From vanputte at cox.net  Fri Feb 26 11:51:38 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:51:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <996392.20592.qm@web113315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <996392.20592.qm@web113315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <26707259-6C52-4ABF-AAC4-156675D9B2F6@cox.net>

No tail weight is necessary.  Carefully mix some helium-filled  
microballons with 30 minute epoxy inside a large plastic bag and  
apply to the firewall directly opposite where the large side of the  
angle plate is installed.

Ron

On Feb 26, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Bob Kane wrote:

> I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the  
> cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about the wax  
> paper.  How much tail weight will I need to balance the angle plate?
>
>
> Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply only. No actual  
> angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.
>
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I added 1/32? to the face of
>> the nose ring on the fuse on the
>> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do
>> the math, it equates to
>> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
>> was to block the fuse
>> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
>> stab which I used as
>> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of
>> 1/32? balsa to the
>> left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge.
>> Then I applied a
>> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the
>> entire face of the nose
>> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
>> wiped off the
>> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
>> between the angle
>> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive
>> and the angle plate
>> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my
>> nose ring now has .5
>> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
>> square of 1/32 balsa
>> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
>> sounds very heavy, but
>> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to
>> think about this
>> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse
>> is at .5 positive,
>> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
>> 0.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of Vicente
>> "Vince" Bortone
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
>> gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just
>> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
>> thrust", means to add
>> to the one is already set at the nose ring?
>> Is 1/32" is at the
>> tip of the prop?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>>
>> To: "General pattern discussion"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada Central
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the
>> down thrust to .5
>>
>> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
>> finishing my third one and
>>
>> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
>> duplicating it. Actually, the
>>
>> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the
>> settings I just gave
>>
>> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge
>> with no mix. The
>>
>> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
>> the top of tall
>>
>> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and
>> called that 0. Your
>>
>> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so
>> you'll need to increase
>>
>> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
>> degrees down so
>>
>> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't
>> help on the gear, I used
>>
>> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
>> or just a little
>>
>> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne Koester
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
>> Of John Gayer
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
>>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
>> ounces and are
>>
>> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the
>> weights of the
>>
>> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at
>> 3.2 ounces
>>
>> which is a substantial difference.
>>
>> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet
>> but I intend to
>>
>> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
>> degrees and
>>
>> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
>>
>>
>>
>>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
>> before I get any
>>
>> further along.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
>> particular more
>>
>> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
>> inches.
>>
>> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately
>> 2 degrees
>>
>> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
>>
>> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
>>
>>
>>
>> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already
>> run into these
>>
>> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 12:00:21 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:00:21 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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With all this faboolous input maybe the name needs changed to DERIVATIVE....

I forgot....that's taken

MattK






-----Original Message-----
From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 3:10 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear


Thanks everyone and particularly Verne who not only answered all the questions but described how to make the changes. Great stuff. Believe I'm all set to complete the Integral now.
John

Verne Koester wrote: 

I added 1/32? to the face of the nose ring on the fuse on the left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do the math, it equates to adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it was to block the fuse up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the stab which I used as my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of 1/32? balsa to the left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge. Then I applied a very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the entire face of the nose ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I wiped off the excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film between the angle plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive and the angle plate was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my nose ring now has .5 down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little square of 1/32 balsa canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all sounds very heavy, but the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to think about this for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse is at .5 positive, then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at 0.
 
Verne
 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

 

Verne,
 
Just curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right thrust", means to add to the one is already set at the nose ring?  Is 1/32" is at the tip of the prop?
 
Thanks,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

John,
With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the down thrust to .5
down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently finishing my third one and
got it right on the second one. Now I'm just duplicating it. Actually, the
first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the settings I just gave
you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge with no mix. The
extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at the top of tall
verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and called that 0. Your
wing will actually be slightly negative to that so you'll need to increase
the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2 degrees down so
you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't help on the gear, I used
Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube or just a little
rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.

Verne Koester

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
To: NSRCA Mailing List
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear


The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces and are 
very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the weights of the 
components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at 3.2 ounces 
which is a substantial difference.
This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I intend to 
add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0 degrees and 
a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.

 I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get any 
further along.

1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular more 
flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 degrees 
built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?

Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into these 
problems and found solutions that are working for you.

Thanks


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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Fri Feb 26 12:21:15 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:21:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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Do you really think that would make much of a Differential????? lol...

At 03:59 PM 2/26/2010, you wrote:
>With all this faboolous input maybe the name needs changed to DERIVATIVE....
>
>I forgot....that's taken
>
>MattK
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Gayer <jgghome at comcast.net>
>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 3:10 pm
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
>Thanks everyone and particularly Verne who not 
>only answered all the questions but described 
>how to make the changes. Great stuff. Believe 
>I'm all set to complete the Integral now.
>John
>
>Verne Koester wrote:
>>I added 1/32??? to the face of the nose ring on 
>>the fuse on the left side which increased the 
>>angle by 1/32???. If you do the math, it 
>>equates to adding about .5 degrees of right 
>>thrust. The way I did it was to block the fuse 
>>up on my table at .5 degrees positive as 
>>compared to the stab which I used as my 0 
>>reference line. Then I glued a little bitty 
>>square of 1/32??? balsa to the left side of the 
>>nose ring on the face near the outer edge. Then 
>>I applied a very thick, pasty mixture of 
>>cabosil and resin to the entire face of the 
>>nose ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate 
>>up against it. I wiped off the excess, and let 
>>it cure, using wax paper as a release film 
>>between the angle plate and resin. Since the 
>>fuse was sitting at .5 positive and the angle 
>>plate was 90 degrees to the table, the end 
>>result was that my nose ring now has .5 down 
>>thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The 
>>little square of 1/32 balsa canted the angle 
>>plate .5 degrees to the right. This all sounds 
>>very heavy, but the weight gain was actually 
>>about 4 grams. You may need to think about this 
>>for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 
>>when the fuse is at .5 positive, then the down 
>>thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at 0.
>>
>>Verne
>>
>>From: 
>><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>>] On Behalf Of Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
>>To: General pattern discussion
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>Verne,
>>
>>Just curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right 
>>thrust", means to add to the one is already set 
>>at the nose ring?  Is 1/32" is at the tip of the prop?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Verne Koester" <mailto:verne at twmi.rr.com><verne at twmi.rr.com>
>>To: "General pattern discussion" 
>><mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>John,
>>With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the down thrust to .5
>>down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently finishing my third one and
>>got it right on the second one. Now I'm just duplicating it. Actually, the
>>first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the settings I just gave
>>you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge with no mix. The
>>extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at the top of tall
>>verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and called that 0. Your
>>wing will actually be slightly negative to that so you'll need to increase
>>the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2 degrees down so
>>you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't help on the gear, I used
>>Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube or just a little
>>rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
>>
>>Verne Koester
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: 
>><mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Gayer
>>Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
>>To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>
>>The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6 ounces and are
>>very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the weights of the
>>components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at 3.2 ounces
>>which is a substantial difference.
>>This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet but I intend to
>>add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0 degrees and
>>a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
>>
>>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve before I get any
>>further along.
>>
>>1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in particular more
>>flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8 inches.
>>2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately 2 degrees
>>built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
>>3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
>>
>>Would appreciate help from those of you who have already run into these
>>problems and found solutions that are working for you.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 26 12:53:58 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:53:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction
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Ed White dug this up--pretty well clears that issue up, Bob.

 

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From verne at twmi.rr.com  Fri Feb 26 14:04:38 2010
From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:04:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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About 1/3 the weight of the angle plate.... You'll probably STILL make weight if it's glow-powered.   ;>)

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:22 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about the wax paper.  How much tail weight will I need to balance the angle plate?







Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply only. No actual angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I added 1/32? to the face of
> the nose ring on the fuse on the
> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do
> the math, it equates to
> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
> was to block the fuse
> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
> stab which I used as
> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of
> 1/32? balsa to the
> left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge.
> Then I applied a
> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the
> entire face of the nose
> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
> wiped off the
> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
> between the angle
> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive
> and the angle plate
> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my
> nose ring now has .5
> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
> square of 1/32 balsa
> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
> sounds very heavy, but
> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to
> think about this
> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse
> is at .5 positive,
> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
> 0. 
> 
>    
> 
> Verne 
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Vicente
> "Vince" Bortone
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> Verne, 
> 
>   
> 
> Just
> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
> thrust", means to add
> to the one is already set at the nose ring? 
> Is 1/32" is at the
> tip of the prop? 
> 
>   
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> 
> To: "General pattern discussion"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the
> down thrust to .5
> 
> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
> finishing my third one and
> 
> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
> duplicating it. Actually, the
> 
> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the
> settings I just gave
> 
> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge
> with no mix. The
> 
> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
> the top of tall
> 
> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and
> called that 0. Your
> 
> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so
> you'll need to increase
> 
> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
> degrees down so
> 
> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't
> help on the gear, I used
> 
> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
> or just a little
> 
> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> Verne Koester
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of John Gayer
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
> 
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
> ounces and are 
> 
> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the
> weights of the 
> 
> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at
> 3.2 ounces 
> 
> which is a substantial difference.
> 
> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet
> but I intend to 
> 
> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
> degrees and 
> 
> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> 
> 
> 
>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
> before I get any 
> 
> further along.
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
> particular more 
> 
> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
> inches.
> 
> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately
> 2 degrees 
> 
> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> 
> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
> 
> 
> 
> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already
> run into these 
> 
> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
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> 
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From rickwallace45 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 14:57:30 2010
From: rickwallace45 at gmail.com (richard wallace)
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:57:30 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] =?utf-8?q?Adapters_for_Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino_bat?=
	=?utf-8?q?teries_to_Thunderpower_balancer=3F=E2=80=8F?=
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Hi -
Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries
(Zippy, Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female
JST-XH to a Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these?
Didn't see them listed on the Hobby City website...

Thanks-
Rick
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Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:03:45 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
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Yes??check here?.

http://www.rclipos.com/Accessories.htm

 

I?ll forward a separate email with more info.

 

Regards,

 

Dave

 

 

 

  _____  

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of richard
wallace
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 6:57 PM
To: Discussion 'NSRCA'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to
Thunderpower balancer??

 

Hi -
Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries
(Zippy, Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female
JST-XH to a Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these? 
Didn't see them listed on the Hobby City website... 
 
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Rick 

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From rickwallace45 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 26 15:10:24 2010
From: rickwallace45 at gmail.com (richard wallace)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:10:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
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Thanks, Dave !

2010/2/26 Dave <DaveL322 at comcast.net>

>  Yes??check here?.
>
> http://www.rclipos.com/Accessories.htm
>
>
>
> I?ll forward a separate email with more info.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *richard wallace
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2010 6:57 PM
> *To:* Discussion 'NSRCA'
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries
> to Thunderpower balancer??
>
>
>
> Hi -
> Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries
> (Zippy, Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female
> JST-XH to a Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these?
> Didn't see them listed on the Hobby City website...
>
> Thanks-
> Rick
>
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From ed_alt at hotmail.com  Fri Feb 26 15:55:18 2010
From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:55:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries
 to Thunderpower balancer??
In-Reply-To: <A3F2B973D750447D9A0E358245327B75@davedesktop>
References: <c8a7c8ec1002261557i5dc88eaao30b678bf391e9831@mail.gmail.com>,
	<A3F2B973D750447D9A0E358245327B75@davedesktop>
Message-ID: <SNT138-w3645AB0D0815A4794E7376E83E0@phx.gbl>

If they don't have what's needed, something can always be whipped up to solve it.

From: DaveL322 at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 18:59:03 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion]	Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to Thunderpower balancer??





















Yes??check here?.

http://www.rclipos.com/Accessories.htm

 

I?ll forward a separate email with
more info.

 

Regards,

 

Dave

 

 

 









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Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010
6:57 PM

To: Discussion 'NSRCA'

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to Thunderpower balancer??



 

Hi -

Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries (Zippy,
Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female JST-XH to a
Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these? 

Didn't see them listed on the Hobby
 City website... 

 

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From tocdon at netscape.net  Fri Feb 26 17:40:17 2010
From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 02:40:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open
In-Reply-To: <1526670810.7401571266983658455.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8CC856D49EA9F36-264C-16402@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com>


Thanks, we'll do some practice tomorrow afternoon.

Here is the plan,

Have some call sheets ready (or memorize your sequence).

Go to open Phoenix RC simulator program, select multiplayer from the pull down menu.

Go online, select the North America, then go to the Pattern Contest session.

Enter the password, Pattern.

We will have a practice session setup as well, call it Pattern Practice, same password.  That will be the overflow room or "ready boxes" for those not in box 1, 2, or 3.  Well see how this system works

See you there,

Don






-----Original Message-----
From: Vicente "Vince" Bortone <vicenterc at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open



Don,
 
Yes, I would like to participate.  I never done it before so I will need more coaching how to joint and other details.
 
Thanks,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:24:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open


The Second On-Line Pattern Contest Registration is open.  Contest starts Saturday 3 PM on Phoenix 2.5 Multi-Player.  Please e-mail me if you plan to attend and I'll send our the contest package and instructions later in the week.
 
Thanks,
Don

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From getterflash at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 26 18:20:44 2010
From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:20:44 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <26707259-6C52-4ABF-AAC4-156675D9B2F6@cox.net>
Message-ID: <269015.82447.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I knew there would be a simple fix, thank you Obi-Ron.

Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 3:55 PM
> No tail weight is necessary.?
> Carefully mix some helium-filled? 
> microballons with 30 minute epoxy inside a large plastic
> bag and? 
> apply to the firewall directly opposite where the large
> side of the? 
> angle plate is installed.
> 
> Ron
> 
> On Feb 26, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Bob Kane wrote:
> 
> > I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle
> plate into the? 
> > cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about
> the wax? 
> > paper.? How much tail weight will I need to
> balance the angle plate?
> >
> >
> > Disclaimer:? This is intended as a humorous reply
> only. No actual? 
> > angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.
> >
> >
> > Bob Kane
> > getterflash at yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear
> >> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I added 1/32? to the face of
> >> the nose ring on the fuse on the
> >> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If
> you do
> >> the math, it equates to
> >> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I
> did it
> >> was to block the fuse
> >> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared
> to the
> >> stab which I used as
> >> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty
> square of
> >> 1/32? balsa to the
> >> left side of the nose ring on the face near the
> outer edge.
> >> Then I applied a
> >> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to
> the
> >> entire face of the nose
> >> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up
> against it. I
> >> wiped off the
> >> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a
> release film
> >> between the angle
> >> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5
> positive
> >> and the angle plate
> >> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was
> that my
> >> nose ring now has .5
> >> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The
> little
> >> square of 1/32 balsa
> >> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right.
> This all
> >> sounds very heavy, but
> >> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You
> may need to
> >> think about this
> >> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when
> the fuse
> >> is at .5 positive,
> >> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse
> is at
> >> 0.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Verne
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:
> >> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On
> >> Behalf Of Vicente
> >> "Vince" Bortone
> >>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> >>
> >> To: General pattern discussion
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> >> gear
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Verne,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just
> >> curiosity.? When you said "add 1/32 right
> >> thrust", means to add
> >> to the one is already set at the nose ring?
> >> Is 1/32" is at the
> >> tip of the prop?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> >>
> >> To: "General pattern discussion"
> >> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> >>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT
> -06:00
> >> US/Canada Central
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John,
> >>
> >> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive,
> reduce the
> >> down thrust to .5
> >>
> >> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
> >> finishing my third one and
> >>
> >> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
> >> duplicating it. Actually, the
> >>
> >> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With
> the
> >> settings I just gave
> >>
> >> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife
> edge
> >> with no mix. The
> >>
> >> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left
> drift at
> >> the top of tall
> >>
> >> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position
> and
> >> called that 0. Your
> >>
> >> wing will actually be slightly negative to that
> so
> >> you'll need to increase
> >>
> >> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little
> over 2
> >> degrees down so
> >>
> >> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that.
> Can't
> >> help on the gear, I used
> >>
> >> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the
> wing tube
> >> or just a little
> >>
> >> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this
> helps.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Verne Koester
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >>
> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> >>
> >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
> On Behalf
> >> Of John Gayer
> >>
> >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
> >>
> >> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> >>
> >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral
> weigh 6
> >> ounces and are
> >>
> >> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason
> listed the
> >> weights of the
> >>
> >> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were
> listed at
> >> 3.2 ounces
> >>
> >> which is a substantial difference.
> >>
> >> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't
> checked yet
> >> but I intend to
> >>
> >> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab
> incidence of 0.0
> >> degrees and
> >>
> >> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>? I have three questions that I would like to
> resolve
> >> before I get any
> >>
> >> further along.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and
> in
> >> particular more
> >>
> >> flexible?? Height of the gear should be about
> 8
> >> inches.
> >>
> >> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the
> approximately
> >> 2 degrees
> >>
> >> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down
> or ?
> >>
> >> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Would appreciate help from those of you who have
> already
> >> run into these
> >>
> >> problems and found solutions that are working for
> you.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>
> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>
> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>
> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >>
> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >>
> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From rcmaster199 at aol.com  Fri Feb 26 18:32:06 2010
From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 03:32:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <269015.82447.qm@web113301.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC85747DDA9191-6B5C-33C5@webmail-d085.sysops.aol.com>


Hmmmmm!!! Helium filled micro baloons. I like that a lot but don't care for the price. I heard the cost is something like 1000$ per gram

Lessee, 1 gram of this stuff is so fluffy it takes up about the volume of one of the current crop of pachyderm airplanes. 

MattK





-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, Feb 26, 2010 10:20 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear


I knew there would be a simple fix, thank you Obi-Ron.
Bob Kane
etterflash at yahoo.com

-- On Fri, 2/26/10, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:
> From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
 To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 3:55 PM
 No tail weight is necessary. 
 Carefully mix some helium-filled  
 microballons with 30 minute epoxy inside a large plastic
 bag and  
 apply to the firewall directly opposite where the large
 side of the  
 angle plate is installed.
 
 Ron
 
 On Feb 26, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Bob Kane wrote:
 
 > I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle
 plate into the  
 > cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about
 the wax  
 > paper.  How much tail weight will I need to
 balance the angle plate?
 >
 >
 > Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply
 only. No actual  
 > angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.
 >
 >
 > Bob Kane
 > getterflash at yahoo.com
 >
 >
 > --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
 wrote:
 >
 >> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
 >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
 gear
 >> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 >> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> I added 1/32? to the face of
 >> the nose ring on the fuse on the
 >> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If
 you do
 >> the math, it equates to
 >> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I
 did it
 >> was to block the fuse
 >> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared
 to the
 >> stab which I used as
 >> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty
 square of
 >> 1/32? balsa to the
 >> left side of the nose ring on the face near the
 outer edge.
 >> Then I applied a
 >> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to
 the
 >> entire face of the nose
 >> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up
 against it. I
 >> wiped off the
 >> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a
 release film
 >> between the angle
 >> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5
 positive
 >> and the angle plate
 >> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was
 that my
 >> nose ring now has .5
 >> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The
 little
 >> square of 1/32 balsa
 >> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right.
 This all
 >> sounds very heavy, but
 >> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You
 may need to
 >> think about this
 >> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when
 the fuse
 >> is at .5 positive,
 >> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse
 is at
 >> 0.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Verne
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> From:
 >> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
 On
 >> Behalf Of Vicente
 >> "Vince" Bortone
 >>
 >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
 >>
 >> To: General pattern discussion
 >>
 >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
 >> gear
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Verne,
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Just
 >> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
 >> thrust", means to add
 >> to the one is already set at the nose ring?
 >> Is 1/32" is at the
 >> tip of the prop?
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Thanks,
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> ----- Original Message -----
 >>
 >> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
 >>
 >> To: "General pattern discussion"
 >> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
 >>
 >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT
 -06:00
 >> US/Canada Central
 >>
 >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
 gear
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> John,
 >>
 >> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive,
 reduce the
 >> down thrust to .5
 >>
 >> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
 >> finishing my third one and
 >>
 >> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
 >> duplicating it. Actually, the
 >>
 >> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With
 the
 >> settings I just gave
 >>
 >> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife
 edge
 >> with no mix. The
 >>
 >> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left
 drift at
 >> the top of tall
 >>
 >> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position
 and
 >> called that 0. Your
 >>
 >> wing will actually be slightly negative to that
 so
 >> you'll need to increase
 >>
 >> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little
 over 2
 >> degrees down so
 >>
 >> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that.
 Can't
 >> help on the gear, I used
 >>
 >> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the
 wing tube
 >> or just a little
 >>
 >> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this
 helps.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Verne Koester
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> -----Original Message-----
 >>
 >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
 >>
 >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]
 On Behalf
 >> Of John Gayer
 >>
 >> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
 >>
 >> To: NSRCA Mailing List
 >>
 >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral
 weigh 6
 >> ounces and are
 >>
 >> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason
 listed the
 >> weights of the
 >>
 >> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were
 listed at
 >> 3.2 ounces
 >>
 >> which is a substantial difference.
 >>
 >> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't
 checked yet
 >> but I intend to
 >>
 >> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab
 incidence of 0.0
 >> degrees and
 >>
 >> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>  I have three questions that I would like to
 resolve
 >> before I get any
 >>
 >> further along.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and
 in
 >> particular more
 >>
 >> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about
 8
 >> inches.
 >>
 >> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the
 approximately
 >> 2 degrees
 >>
 >> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down
 or ?
 >>
 >> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Would appreciate help from those of you who have
 already
 >> run into these
 >>
 >> problems and found solutions that are working for
 you.
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Thanks
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 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> _______________________________________________
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From kvelez at rochester.rr.com  Fri Feb 26 21:55:37 2010
From: kvelez at rochester.rr.com (Kenneth Velez)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:55:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] =?windows-1255?q?Used_Pattern_plane=FE?=
In-Reply-To: <c8a7c8ec1002261557i5dc88eaao30b678bf391e9831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8a7c8ec1002261557i5dc88eaao30b678bf391e9831@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001d01cab779$dda1e160$98e5a420$@rr.com>

 Looking for used older pattern plane reasonable price for an new guy in the
area that wants to get involved in Sportsman. Not sure what his budget is.
He is located in Upstate NY, so it will be few hr drive pick up or shipping.
Please reply or send pictures privately please to:

 

kvelez at rochester.rr.com

 

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From js.smith at verizon.net  Sat Feb 27 01:18:58 2010
From: js.smith at verizon.net (Scott Smith)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:18:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] =?windows-1255?q?Used_Pattern_plane=FE?=
In-Reply-To: <001d01cab779$dda1e160$98e5a420$@rr.com>
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	<001d01cab779$dda1e160$98e5a420$@rr.com>
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Hi Ken,

 

I can make a deal on my glow Patriot 3D.

 

RTF - Futaba

Airframe $500

OS 140 w/spares  $200

Hyde mount - free ($200 new)

CF Pipe - free

Receiver, servos, etc - free

 

Is this reasonable enough?

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Kenneth Velez
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:56 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Used Pattern plane?

 

 Looking for used older pattern plane reasonable price for an new guy in the
area that wants to get involved in Sportsman. Not sure what his budget is.
He is located in Upstate NY, so it will be few hr drive pick up or shipping.
Please reply or send pictures privately please to:

 

kvelez at rochester.rr.com

 

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From edvwhite at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 27 05:32:06 2010
From: edvwhite at yahoo.com (Ed White)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:32:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <003601cab738$13186d60$39494820$@rr.com>
References: <000001cab710$8d13b840$a73b28c0$@rr.com>
	<996392.20592.qm@web113315.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<003601cab738$13186d60$39494820$@rr.com>
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It is fun to watch these threads, but getting a little predictable..  

Phase A) It almost always starts with a simple, legitimate request for helpful information 
Phase B) for which a few useful answers are given.
  
But you know the wolves are out there circling. 

Phase C)  Finally one dives in and takes a bite with a facetious answer.  
Phase D)  Then the whole pack dives in and the fur flies everywhere.
Phase E)  Eventually things devolve into glow vs. electric 
Phase F)  Then Futaba vs. JR  (ya know the 14MZ has a built-in mix to mix out the effect of the steel plate)


who's next?

Ed



----- Original Message ----
From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 5:04:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

About 1/3 the weight of the angle plate.... You'll probably STILL make weight if it's glow-powered.   ;>)

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:22 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about the wax paper.  How much tail weight will I need to balance the angle plate?







Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply only. No actual angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I added 1/32? to the face of
> the nose ring on the fuse on the
> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do
> the math, it equates to
> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
> was to block the fuse
> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
> stab which I used as
> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of
> 1/32? balsa to the
> left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge.
> Then I applied a
> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the
> entire face of the nose
> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
> wiped off the
> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
> between the angle
> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive
> and the angle plate
> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my
> nose ring now has .5
> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
> square of 1/32 balsa
> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
> sounds very heavy, but
> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to
> think about this
> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse
> is at .5 positive,
> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
> 0. 
> 
>    
> 
> Verne 
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Vicente
> "Vince" Bortone
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> Verne, 
> 
>  
> 
> Just
> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
> thrust", means to add
> to the one is already set at the nose ring? 
> Is 1/32" is at the
> tip of the prop? 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> 
> To: "General pattern discussion"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the
> down thrust to .5
> 
> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
> finishing my third one and
> 
> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
> duplicating it. Actually, the
> 
> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the
> settings I just gave
> 
> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge
> with no mix. The
> 
> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
> the top of tall
> 
> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and
> called that 0. Your
> 
> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so
> you'll need to increase
> 
> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
> degrees down so
> 
> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't
> help on the gear, I used
> 
> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
> or just a little
> 
> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> Verne Koester
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of John Gayer
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
> 
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
> ounces and are 
> 
> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the
> weights of the 
> 
> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at
> 3.2 ounces 
> 
> which is a substantial difference.
> 
> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet
> but I intend to 
> 
> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
> degrees and 
> 
> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> 
> 
> 
>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
> before I get any 
> 
> further along.
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
> particular more 
> 
> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
> inches.
> 
> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately
> 2 degrees 
> 
> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> 
> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
> 
> 
> 
> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already
> run into these 
> 
> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
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From edvwhite at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 27 05:38:51 2010
From: edvwhite at yahoo.com (Ed White)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:38:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W7FD98EC1E1945B7CFEA52A03F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY128-W14390CAB0EEF4C33585729A0420@phx.gbl>
	<BAY128-W264DD87B099678E82963FEA0420@phx.gbl>
	<408599.71036.qm@web83506.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>,
	<005701cab4f4$69a3e8d0$3cebba70$@net>
	<BAY128-W28F82DC92655EB9A647613A0410@phx.gbl>
	<367030.98608.qm@web83508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<004e01cab5b2$0b114dd0$2133e970$@net>,
	<305009.49523.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<BAY128-W7FD98EC1E1945B7CFEA52A03F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <26714.53367.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Richard,

This applies to P-11.  Only you and I will be flying P-!! this year.

Ed





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From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA DISCUSSION <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:53:57 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction

 Ed White dug this up--pretty well clears that issue up, Bob.
 
RS
 

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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sat Feb 27 06:05:04 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:05:04 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861C24@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

The final phase requires some sense of closure, which almost always neccesitates steering the conversation to the one topic upon which we have universal consensus.   

Ron is very very very old.  

:)
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----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat Feb 27 09:32:03 2010
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

It is fun to watch these threads, but getting a little predictable..  

Phase A) It almost always starts with a simple, legitimate request for helpful information 
Phase B) for which a few useful answers are given.
  
But you know the wolves are out there circling. 

Phase C)  Finally one dives in and takes a bite with a facetious answer.  
Phase D)  Then the whole pack dives in and the fur flies everywhere.
Phase E)  Eventually things devolve into glow vs. electric 
Phase F)  Then Futaba vs. JR  (ya know the 14MZ has a built-in mix to mix out the effect of the steel plate)


who's next?

Ed



----- Original Message ----
From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 5:04:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

About 1/3 the weight of the angle plate.... You'll probably STILL make weight if it's glow-powered.   ;>)

Verne

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:22 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear

I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about the wax paper.  How much tail weight will I need to balance the angle plate?







Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply only. No actual angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.


Bob Kane
getterflash at yahoo.com


--- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:

> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
> 
> 
> 
>  
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> I added 1/32? to the face of
> the nose ring on the fuse on the
> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do
> the math, it equates to
> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
> was to block the fuse
> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
> stab which I used as
> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of
> 1/32? balsa to the
> left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge.
> Then I applied a
> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the
> entire face of the nose
> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
> wiped off the
> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
> between the angle
> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive
> and the angle plate
> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my
> nose ring now has .5
> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
> square of 1/32 balsa
> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
> sounds very heavy, but
> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to
> think about this
> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse
> is at .5 positive,
> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
> 0. 
> 
>    
> 
> Verne 
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
> Behalf Of Vicente
> "Vince" Bortone
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
> 
> To: General pattern discussion
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
> gear 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> 
> 
> Verne, 
> 
>  
> 
> Just
> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
> thrust", means to add
> to the one is already set at the nose ring? 
> Is 1/32" is at the
> tip of the prop? 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> 
> To: "General pattern discussion"
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
> US/Canada Central
> 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> John,
> 
> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the
> down thrust to .5
> 
> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
> finishing my third one and
> 
> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
> duplicating it. Actually, the
> 
> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the
> settings I just gave
> 
> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge
> with no mix. The
> 
> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
> the top of tall
> 
> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and
> called that 0. Your
> 
> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so
> you'll need to increase
> 
> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
> degrees down so
> 
> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't
> help on the gear, I used
> 
> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
> or just a little
> 
> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> 
> Verne Koester
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
> Of John Gayer
> 
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
> 
> To: NSRCA Mailing List
> 
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
> ounces and are 
> 
> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the
> weights of the 
> 
> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at
> 3.2 ounces 
> 
> which is a substantial difference.
> 
> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet
> but I intend to 
> 
> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
> degrees and 
> 
> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
> 
> 
> 
>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
> before I get any 
> 
> further along.
> 
> 
> 
> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
> particular more 
> 
> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
> inches.
> 
> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately
> 2 degrees 
> 
> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
> 
> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
> 
> 
> 
> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already
> run into these 
> 
> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> 
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> 
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
> 
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From vicenterc at comcast.net  Sat Feb 27 06:11:01 2010
From: vicenterc at comcast.net (Vicente "Vince" Bortone)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:11:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction
In-Reply-To: <26714.53367.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <389599619.8843251267283460056.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>



Hi Ed, 



What about Bill? 

Vicente "Vince" Bortone 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ed White" <edvwhite at yahoo.com> 
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:38:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction 


Richard, 

This applies to P-11.? Only you and I will be flying P-!! this year. 

Ed 






From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> 
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From johnfuqua at embarqmail.com  Sat Feb 27 06:35:58 2010
From: johnfuqua at embarqmail.com (John Fuqua)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:35:58 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
Message-ID: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>

A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled "Better
Aerobatics" which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull to enter
a snap.    It is very enlightening.

 

Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the Power ON
stall speed  - Squared.

 

His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.    This means
you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading if entering the
"flick roll" at 105 mph.  

 

What I find fascinating about the formula is the "power on stall" part of
the formula.   Now translate that into our models which have NO power ON
stall speed.   I think this means that mathematically we cannot do a snap.
Or the instantaneous Gs required are impossible to obtain.    

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Feb 27 07:05:24 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:05:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
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Yeah? So?

Ron

On Feb 27, 2010, at 8:32 AM, Ed White wrote:

> It is fun to watch these threads, but getting a little predictable..
>
> Phase A) It almost always starts with a simple, legitimate request  
> for helpful information
> Phase B) for which a few useful answers are given.
>
> But you know the wolves are out there circling.
>
> Phase C)  Finally one dives in and takes a bite with a facetious  
> answer.
> Phase D)  Then the whole pack dives in and the fur flies everywhere.
> Phase E)  Eventually things devolve into glow vs. electric
> Phase F)  Then Futaba vs. JR  (ya know the 14MZ has a built-in mix  
> to mix out the effect of the steel plate)
>
>
> who's next?
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 5:04:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
> About 1/3 the weight of the angle plate.... You'll probably STILL  
> make weight if it's glow-powered.   ;>)
>
> Verne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:22 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
> I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the  
> cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about the wax  
> paper.  How much tail weight will I need to balance the angle plate?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply only. No actual  
> angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.
>
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I added 1/32? to the face of
>> the nose ring on the fuse on the
>> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do
>> the math, it equates to
>> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
>> was to block the fuse
>> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
>> stab which I used as
>> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of
>> 1/32? balsa to the
>> left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge.
>> Then I applied a
>> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the
>> entire face of the nose
>> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
>> wiped off the
>> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
>> between the angle
>> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive
>> and the angle plate
>> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my
>> nose ring now has .5
>> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
>> square of 1/32 balsa
>> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
>> sounds very heavy, but
>> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to
>> think about this
>> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse
>> is at .5 positive,
>> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
>> 0.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of Vicente
>> "Vince" Bortone
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
>> gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just
>> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
>> thrust", means to add
>> to the one is already set at the nose ring?
>> Is 1/32" is at the
>> tip of the prop?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>>
>> To: "General pattern discussion"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada Central
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the
>> down thrust to .5
>>
>> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
>> finishing my third one and
>>
>> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
>> duplicating it. Actually, the
>>
>> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the
>> settings I just gave
>>
>> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge
>> with no mix. The
>>
>> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
>> the top of tall
>>
>> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and
>> called that 0. Your
>>
>> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so
>> you'll need to increase
>>
>> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
>> degrees down so
>>
>> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't
>> help on the gear, I used
>>
>> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
>> or just a little
>>
>> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne Koester
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
>> Of John Gayer
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
>>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
>> ounces and are
>>
>> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the
>> weights of the
>>
>> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at
>> 3.2 ounces
>>
>> which is a substantial difference.
>>
>> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet
>> but I intend to
>>
>> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
>> degrees and
>>
>> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
>>
>>
>>
>>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
>> before I get any
>>
>> further along.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
>> particular more
>>
>> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
>> inches.
>>
>> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately
>> 2 degrees
>>
>> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
>>
>> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
>>
>>
>>
>> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already
>> run into these
>>
>> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Feb 27 07:15:18 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:15:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861C24@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861C24@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <837AA919-C0E0-49F0-902C-5D83C0ABDBC1@cox.net>

Hey youngster, don't forget to bring your running shoes to the Nats.   
I prefer using the paved roads from Site 3 to Site 4 and back.

Ron


On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> The final phase requires some sense of closure, which almost always  
> neccesitates steering the conversation to the one topic upon which  
> we have universal consensus.
>
> Ron is very very very old.
>
> :)
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sat Feb 27 09:32:03 2010
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
> It is fun to watch these threads, but getting a little predictable..
>
> Phase A) It almost always starts with a simple, legitimate request  
> for helpful information
> Phase B) for which a few useful answers are given.
>
> But you know the wolves are out there circling.
>
> Phase C)  Finally one dives in and takes a bite with a facetious  
> answer.
> Phase D)  Then the whole pack dives in and the fur flies everywhere.
> Phase E)  Eventually things devolve into glow vs. electric
> Phase F)  Then Futaba vs. JR  (ya know the 14MZ has a built-in mix  
> to mix out the effect of the steel plate)
>
>
> who's next?
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 5:04:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
> About 1/3 the weight of the angle plate.... You'll probably STILL  
> make weight if it's glow-powered.   ;>)
>
> Verne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane
> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 3:22 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>
> I followed your instructions, but pushed the angle plate into the  
> cabosil and let it cure before I read the part about the wax  
> paper.  How much tail weight will I need to balance the angle plate?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Disclaimer:  This is intended as a humorous reply only. No actual  
> angle plates or Integral Fuselages were harmed.
>
>
> Bob Kane
> getterflash at yahoo.com
>
>
> --- On Fri, 2/26/10, Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> From: Verne Koester <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 1:21 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I added 1/32? to the face of
>> the nose ring on the fuse on the
>> left side which increased the angle by 1/32?. If you do
>> the math, it equates to
>> adding about .5 degrees of right thrust. The way I did it
>> was to block the fuse
>> up on my table at .5 degrees positive as compared to the
>> stab which I used as
>> my 0 reference line. Then I glued a little bitty square of
>> 1/32? balsa to the
>> left side of the nose ring on the face near the outer edge.
>> Then I applied a
>> very thick, pasty mixture of cabosil and resin to the
>> entire face of the nose
>> ring and pushed a large, steel angle plate up against it. I
>> wiped off the
>> excess, and let it cure, using wax paper as a release film
>> between the angle
>> plate and resin. Since the fuse was sitting at .5 positive
>> and the angle plate
>> was 90 degrees to the table, the end result was that my
>> nose ring now has .5
>> down thrust when the fuse is sitting at 0. The little
>> square of 1/32 balsa
>> canted the angle plate .5 degrees to the right. This all
>> sounds very heavy, but
>> the weight gain was actually about 4 grams. You may need to
>> think about this
>> for a second, but if your down thrust is at 0 when the fuse
>> is at .5 positive,
>> then the down thrust will be at -.5 when the fuse is at
>> 0.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From:
>> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On
>> Behalf Of Vicente
>> "Vince" Bortone
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:30 AM
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing
>> gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne,
>>
>>
>>
>> Just
>> curiosity.  When you said "add 1/32 right
>> thrust", means to add
>> to the one is already set at the nose ring?
>> Is 1/32" is at the
>> tip of the prop?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Vicente "Vince" Bortone
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Verne Koester" <verne at twmi.rr.com>
>>
>> To: "General pattern discussion"
>> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:28:31 AM GMT -06:00
>> US/Canada Central
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>
>>
>> John,
>>
>> With the stab at 0, make the wing .5 positive, reduce the
>> down thrust to .5
>>
>> down, and ADD 1/32 right thrust. I'm currently
>> finishing my third one and
>>
>> got it right on the second one. Now I'm just
>> duplicating it. Actually, the
>>
>> first one flew great but needed some mixing. With the
>> settings I just gave
>>
>> you, it'll track straight forever on either knife edge
>> with no mix. The
>>
>> extra right thrust was to eliminate a slight left drift at
>> the top of tall
>>
>> verticals. I left the stab at the factory position and
>> called that 0. Your
>>
>> wing will actually be slightly negative to that so
>> you'll need to increase
>>
>> the incidence to .5. The nose ring has a little over 2
>> degrees down so
>>
>> you'll need to remove 1.5 degrees from that. Can't
>> help on the gear, I used
>>
>> Bolly F3A Longs. BTW, set the CG at the LE of the wing tube
>> or just a little
>>
>> rearward of that, like 1/8" or so. Hope this helps.
>>
>>
>>
>> Verne Koester
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf
>> Of John Gayer
>>
>> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 12:39 AM
>>
>> To: NSRCA Mailing List
>>
>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral Landing gear
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The landing gear legs I received with my Integral weigh 6
>> ounces and are
>>
>> very rigid as well. I noticed that when Jason listed the
>> weights of the
>>
>> components on RC Universe that the gear legs were listed at
>> 3.2 ounces
>>
>> which is a substantial difference.
>>
>> This will be powered by a YS 170. I haven't checked yet
>> but I intend to
>>
>> add adjusters if necessary to achieve stab incidence of 0.0
>> degrees and
>>
>> a wing incidence of +0.5 degrees.
>>
>>
>>
>>  I have three questions that I would like to resolve
>> before I get any
>>
>> further along.
>>
>>
>>
>> 1. Is there a replacement gear that is lighter and in
>> particular more
>>
>> flexible?  Height of the gear should be about 8
>> inches.
>>
>> 2. Should the downthrust be reduced from the approximately
>> 2 degrees
>>
>> built into the nose ring to about 0.5 degrees down or ?
>>
>> 3. Should the sidethrust be reduced?
>>
>>
>>
>> Would appreciate help from those of you who have already
>> run into these
>>
>> problems and found solutions that are working for you.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sat Feb 27 07:17:39 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:17:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
In-Reply-To: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>
Message-ID: <236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net>

Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.

Ron

On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:

> A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled ?Better  
> Aerobatics? which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull  
> to enter a snap.    It is very enlightening.
>
>
>
> Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the  
> Power ON stall speed  - Squared.
>
>
>
> His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.     
> This means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading  
> if entering the ?flick roll? at 105 mph.
>
>
>
> What I find fascinating about the formula is the ?power on stall?  
> part of the formula.   Now translate that into our models which  
> have NO power ON stall speed.   I think this means that  
> mathematically we cannot do a snap.   Or the instantaneous Gs  
> required are impossible to obtain.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From khoard at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 07:22:07 2010
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:22:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
In-Reply-To: <236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>
	<236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net>
Message-ID: <6792ef121002270822m417e1621x71d21dd6e53ec0a9@mail.gmail.com>

Why would you let something as trivial as mathematics (or physics) get in
your way?

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

> Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:
>
>  A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled ?Better
>> Aerobatics? which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull to enter
>> a snap.    It is very enlightening.
>>
>>
>>
>> Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the Power
>> ON stall speed  - Squared.
>>
>>
>>
>> His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.    This
>> means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading if entering the
>> ?flick roll? at 105 mph.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I find fascinating about the formula is the ?power on stall? part of
>> the formula.   Now translate that into our models which have NO power ON
>> stall speed.   I think this means that mathematically we cannot do a snap.
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From pcosky at comcast.net  Sat Feb 27 07:22:49 2010
From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:22:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
In-Reply-To: <236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>
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Let me go make the popcorn...this is gonna get good.

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:21 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !

Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.

Ron

On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:

> A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled "Better  
> Aerobatics" which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull  
> to enter a snap.    It is very enlightening.
>
>
>
> Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the  
> Power ON stall speed  - Squared.
>
>
>
> His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.     
> This means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading  
> if entering the "flick roll" at 105 mph.
>
>
>
> What I find fascinating about the formula is the "power on stall"  
> part of the formula.   Now translate that into our models which  
> have NO power ON stall speed.   I think this means that  
> mathematically we cannot do a snap.   Or the instantaneous Gs  
> required are impossible to obtain.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 27 07:32:16 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:32:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction
In-Reply-To: <26714.53367.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY128-W14390CAB0EEF4C33585729A0420@phx.gbl>,
	<BAY128-W264DD87B099678E82963FEA0420@phx.gbl>,
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	<BAY128-W28F82DC92655EB9A647613A0410@phx.gbl>,
	<367030.98608.qm@web83508.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>,
	<004e01cab5b2$0b114dd0$2133e970$@net>, ,
	<305009.49523.qm@web83505.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>,
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OOPS! (again)
 


Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 06:38:49 -0800
From: edvwhite at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction




Richard,

This applies to P-11.  Only you and I will be flying P-!! this year.

Ed







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To: NSRCA DISCUSSION <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:53:57 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction



Ed White dug this up--pretty well clears that issue up, Bob.
 
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From pamrich47 at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 27 07:43:39 2010
From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:43:39 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
In-Reply-To: <6792ef121002270822m417e1621x71d21dd6e53ec0a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>,
	<236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net>,
	<6792ef121002270822m417e1621x71d21dd6e53ec0a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W1524E369A71053396CCC0A03E0@phx.gbl>


Does this mean we can actually go back and do nice looking, fast snaps like God intended?

RS
 


Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:22:06 +0400
From: khoard at gmail.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !

Why would you let something as trivial as mathematics (or physics) get in your way?


On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.

Ron

On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:


A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled ?Better Aerobatics? which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull to enter a snap.    It is very enlightening.



Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the Power ON stall speed  - Squared.



His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.    This means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading if entering the ?flick roll? at 105 mph.



What I find fascinating about the formula is the ?power on stall? part of the formula.   Now translate that into our models which have NO power ON stall speed.   I think this means that mathematically we cannot do a snap.   Or the instantaneous Gs required are impossible to obtain.



















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From edvwhite at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 27 07:58:00 2010
From: edvwhite at yahoo.com (Ed White)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 16:58:00 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction
In-Reply-To: <389599619.8843251267283460056.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
References: <389599619.8843251267283460056.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Bill will be flying F-!!





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From: "Vicente "Vince" Bortone" <vicenterc at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 9:11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction


Hi Ed,
 
What about Bill?

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ed White" <edvwhite at yahoo.com>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 8:38:49 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction


Richard,

This applies to P-11.  Only you and I will be flying P-!! this year.

Ed





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 From: Richard Strickland <pamrich47 at hotmail.com>
To: NSRCA DISCUSSION <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 3:53:57 PM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] P-!! M Roll Direction

 Ed White dug this up--pretty well clears that issue up, Bob.
 
RS
 

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From kthompson56 at satx.rr.com  Sat Feb 27 08:30:06 2010
From: kthompson56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:30:06 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>,
	<236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net>,
	<6792ef121002270822m417e1621x71d21dd6e53ec0a9@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY128-W1524E369A71053396CCC0A03E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <473846893CAF40ADBC5DED52E8B639AE@kenpc>

That's right...carry a little speed, BAM!!  Perfect snap every time!!....wait a minute...which way do I move the sticks again???
<g>
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Richard Strickland 
  To: NSRCA 
  Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 10:43 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !


  Does this mean we can actually go back and do nice looking, fast snaps like God intended?
  RS
   

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  Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:22:06 +0400
  From: khoard at gmail.com
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !

  Why would you let something as trivial as mathematics (or physics) get in your way?


  On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

    Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.

    Ron

    On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:


      A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled ?Better Aerobatics? which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull to enter a snap.    It is very enlightening.



      Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the Power ON stall speed  - Squared.



      His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.    This means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading if entering the ?flick roll? at 105 mph.



      What I find fascinating about the formula is the ?power on stall? part of the formula.   Now translate that into our models which have NO power ON stall speed.   I think this means that mathematically we cannot do a snap.   Or the instantaneous Gs required are impossible to obtain.



















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From mklein25 at roadrunner.com  Sat Feb 27 09:16:42 2010
From: mklein25 at roadrunner.com (mklein25 at roadrunner.com)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 18:16:42 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
In-Reply-To: <236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com><236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net>
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Thanks to everyone for keeping me entertained as I slave away here during my busy season (I'm a CPA).  Wish I had time to chime in, but for now I will stick to getting the occassional laugh as I take a break to view the threads.

Oh well...back to work so I can afford my new planes and batteries for the upcoming season.  See you all in a couple months :-)

Mike
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 10:21:08 
To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !

Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.

Ron

On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:

> A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled ?Better  
> Aerobatics? which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull  
> to enter a snap.    It is very enlightening.
>
>
>
> Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the  
> Power ON stall speed  - Squared.
>
>
>
> His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.     
> This means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading  
> if entering the ?flick roll? at 105 mph.
>
>
>
> What I find fascinating about the formula is the ?power on stall?  
> part of the formula.   Now translate that into our models which  
> have NO power ON stall speed.   I think this means that  
> mathematically we cannot do a snap.   Or the instantaneous Gs  
> required are impossible to obtain.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ron.needham at comcast.net  Sat Feb 27 10:01:51 2010
From: ron.needham at comcast.net (Ron  Needham)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 19:01:51 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open
In-Reply-To: <8CC856D49EA9F36-264C-16402@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com>
References: <1526670810.7401571266983658455.JavaMail.root@sz0152a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <007a01cab7df$50fe3ef0$f2fabcd0$@needham@comcast.net>

Are you using Real Flight?  What is a good pattern plane to download?

 

Ron

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
tocdon at netscape.net
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:40 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration
Open

 

Thanks, we'll do some practice tomorrow afternoon.

 

Here is the plan,

 

Have some call sheets ready (or memorize your sequence).

 

Go to open Phoenix RC simulator program, select multiplayer from the pull
down menu.

 

Go online, select the North America, then go to the Pattern Contest session.

 

Enter the password, Pattern.

 

We will have a practice session setup as well, call it Pattern Practice,
same password.  That will be the overflow room or "ready boxes" for those
not in box 1, 2, or 3.  Well see how this system works

 

See you there,

Don

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Vicente "Vince" Bortone <vicenterc at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration
Open

Don,

 

Yes, I would like to participate.  I never done it before so I will need
more coaching how to joint and other details.

 

Thanks,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:24:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open

The Second On-Line Pattern Contest Registration is open.  Contest starts
Saturday 3 PM on Phoenix 2.5 Multi-Player.  Please e-mail me if you plan to
attend and I'll send our the contest package and instructions later in the
week.

 

Thanks,

Don


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From schale at optonline.net  Sat Feb 27 11:45:40 2010
From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale)
Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2010 20:45:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open
In-Reply-To: <007a01cab7df$50fe3ef0$f2fabcd0$%needham@comcast.net>
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From ed.lyerly at nctv.com  Sat Feb 27 16:26:25 2010
From: ed.lyerly at nctv.com (Ed Lyerly)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 01:26:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
	=?windows-1255?q?Adapters_for_Turnigy/Zippy/Rh?=
	=?windows-1255?q?ino_batteries_to_Thunderpower_balancer=3F=FE?=
In-Reply-To: <c8a7c8ec1002261557i5dc88eaao30b678bf391e9831@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c8a7c8ec1002261557i5dc88eaao30b678bf391e9831@mail.gmail.com>
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Rick,

 

Here is what you need.

 

http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5100

 

 

Ed

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of richard
wallace
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 6:57 PM
To: Discussion 'NSRCA'
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to
Thunderpower balancer??

 

Hi -
Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries
(Zippy, Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female
JST-XH to a Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these? 
Didn't see them listed on the Hobby City website... 
 
Thanks- 
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From rickwallace45 at gmail.com  Sat Feb 27 17:13:07 2010
From: rickwallace45 at gmail.com (richard wallace)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:13:07 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
	=?utf-8?q?Adapters_for_Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino_bat?=
	=?utf-8?q?teries_to_Thunderpower_balancer=3F=E2=80=8F?=
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Thanks Ed, but I think the link you sent is for JST to Polyquest, and I need
JST to Thunder Power - which is out of stock at Hobby City.

2010/2/27 Ed Lyerly <ed.lyerly at nctv.com>

>  Rick,
>
>
>
> Here is what you need.
>
>
>
> http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5100
>
>
>
>
>
> Ed
>
>
>
> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:
> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *richard wallace
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 26, 2010 6:57 PM
> *To:* Discussion 'NSRCA'
> *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries
> to Thunderpower balancer??
>
>
>
> Hi -
>
> Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries
> (Zippy, Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female
> JST-XH to a Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these?
> Didn't see them listed on the Hobby City website...
>
> Thanks-
> Rick
>
>
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From d_bodary at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 27 17:36:13 2010
From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:36:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
 =?utf-8?q?Adapters_for_Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino_bat?=
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Message-ID: <600065.2287.qm@web56402.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Try either True RC or cheap battery packs.com


--- On Fri, 2/26/10, richard wallace <rickwallace45 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: richard wallace <rickwallace45 at gmail.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to Thunderpower balancer??
To: "Discussion 'NSRCA'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, February 26, 2010, 6:57 PM


Hi -
Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries (Zippy, Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female JST-XH to a Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these? 
Didn't see them listed on the Hobby City website... 
?
Thanks- 
Rick 

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From ed.lyerly at nctv.com  Sat Feb 27 18:25:17 2010
From: ed.lyerly at nctv.com (Ed Lyerly)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 03:25:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
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Rick,

 

Sorry if I misled you ?? but ?? the picture shown is exactly what I am using to balance 5S 3700 Zippy Rhinos  using my TP 210V balancer.

 

Perhaps the picture is wrong ??

 

Ed

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of richard wallace
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:13 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to Thunderpower balancer??

 

Thanks Ed, but I think the link you sent is for JST to Polyquest, and I need JST to Thunder Power - which is out of stock at Hobby City. 

2010/2/27 Ed Lyerly <ed.lyerly at nctv.com>

Rick,

 

Here is what you need.

 

http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5100

 

 

Ed

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of richard wallace


Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 6:57 PM
To: Discussion 'NSRCA'

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to Thunderpower balancer??

 

Hi -


Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries (Zippy, Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female JST-XH to a Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these? 
Didn't see them listed on the Hobby City website... 
 
Thanks- 
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From ron.needham at comcast.net  Sat Feb 27 20:15:36 2010
From: ron.needham at comcast.net (Ron  Needham)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 05:15:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open
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Wow!  Thanks for the info on the Pinnacle.  Do modern pattern planes really
fly this well or is this exaggerated?  If so, I guess I will have to build
one.  I have an old Epicure with a YS 140.  It doesn't act anything like the
Pinnacle.

Ron

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Stuart Chale
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 3:44 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration
Open

 

They are using Phoenix 2.5  It has a pretty good online module with voice if
you have a microphone.  There is a model of the Integral built in that can
be adjusted to fly fairly well.  For real flight there is a model of the
Oxai Pinnacle which is pretty good.  There is also a skin available for it
for the new newer electric version (I made the skin).  There is also a
Genesis available for download from the real flight site.  I like the
Pinnacle better.  On the 5th add on disc is superstition park field which
has lines on the runway for pattern.  I know there are other pattern planes
out there but that is what I have tried.
Stuart

On 2/27/2010 2:01 PM, Ron Needham wrote: 

Are you using Real Flight?  What is a good pattern plane to download?

 

Ron

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of
tocdon at netscape.net
Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 9:40 PM
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration
Open

 

Thanks, we'll do some practice tomorrow afternoon.

 

Here is the plan,

 

Have some call sheets ready (or memorize your sequence).

 

Go to open Phoenix RC simulator program, select multiplayer from the pull
down menu.

 

Go online, select the North America, then go to the Pattern Contest session.

 

Enter the password, Pattern.

 

We will have a practice session setup as well, call it Pattern Practice,
same password.  That will be the overflow room or "ready boxes" for those
not in box 1, 2, or 3.  Well see how this system works

 

See you there,

Don

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Vicente "Vince" Bortone  <mailto:vicenterc at comcast.net>
<vicenterc at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion  <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tue, Feb 23, 2010 10:54 pm
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration
Open

Don,

 

Yes, I would like to participate.  I never done it before so I will need
more coaching how to joint and other details.

 

Thanks,

Vicente "Vince" Bortone

----- Original Message -----
From: tocdon at netscape.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 8:24:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2nd On-Line Pattern Contest Registration Open

The Second On-Line Pattern Contest Registration is open.  Contest starts
Saturday 3 PM on Phoenix 2.5 Multi-Player.  Please e-mail me if you plan to
attend and I'll send our the contest package and instructions later in the
week.

 

Thanks,

Don


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From ed.lyerly at nctv.com  Sun Feb 28 06:23:38 2010
From: ed.lyerly at nctv.com (Ed Lyerly)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:23:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]
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Rick,

 

 I looked closely at it again.  You are correct.

 

Sorry for the confusion.

 

Ed

 

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of richard wallace
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 9:13 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to Thunderpower balancer??

 

Thanks Ed, but I think the link you sent is for JST to Polyquest, and I need JST to Thunder Power - which is out of stock at Hobby City. 

2010/2/27 Ed Lyerly <ed.lyerly at nctv.com>

Rick,

 

Here is what you need.

 

http://hobbycity.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=5100

 

 

Ed

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of richard wallace


Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 6:57 PM
To: Discussion 'NSRCA'

Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Adapters for Turnigy/Zippy/Rhino batteries to Thunderpower balancer??

 

Hi -


Looking for a source for adapters to connect 5S Align-style batteries (Zippy, Rhino, etc) to Thunder Power balancer - I *think* that's a female JST-XH to a Male Thunder power... Is there a good source for these? 
Didn't see them listed on the Hobby City website... 
 
Thanks- 
Rick 


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From lld613 at psci.net  Sun Feb 28 06:49:34 2010
From: lld613 at psci.net (Lisa n Larry)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 15:49:34 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Learning to Airbrush
Message-ID: <001601cab88d$a33b6a40$e9b23ec0$@net>

I'm going to learn how to use an airbrush. I will start with water based
<http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=3396> paint
(Createx) to learn the techniques of using an airbrush.

Once I have learned how to use and control the airbrush, I will be using
Pactra paint for the lexan canopy.

Where do you paint using a small paint booth (width -30" or less)? Is there
a paint booth that will allow safely airbrush painting indoors with the
Createx paint (water based)? I'm going to assume that airbrushing Pactra
indoors even w/
<http://www.rcuniverse.com/buynow/keywordclick.cfm?bid_id=2752> carbon
filters is not wise. If you have a set up that allows for it, I would be
curious but I will probably wait till the weather warms up and airbrush in
my garage with the Pactra due to Lisa's trips in and out of the hospital.

Airbrush is a Paasche VLSTPRO with #3 and #5 needles (had it for about 10
years now). I plan on using the #5 as there isn't any fine detail I'm
looking at. I have a compressor and a portable air tank w/ regulator and
water separator (??? not sure if that is the correct name).

My plan is to mask off the bottom of the canopy with 1/8" masking tap. Blend
in from the tape working up a 1/2 inch or so with Pactra Metallic Red
(RC64). The next step would be to fill in the rest of the canopy with
Metallic Flake Silver (RC69). To finish the scheme I plan to use black as a
backing to the metallic colors. Remove the masking and paint the bottom edge
using Pactra Sprint White...Trim the edges off the canopy and attach to
plane.

Does this seem like the right path? I don't mind if there is some lightly
blended in red throughout the canopy resulting from overspray as this would
be the effect I'm looking for. I'll practice this on white paper first
(opposite order) with Createx paint. Then switch to lexan sheets to ensure
the desired effect. Then hit the canopy...

If you have a Paint Booth and can send me pics off line I would appreciate
it. Please let me know if I'm on the right path..

Larry Diamond

PS - The canopy is for my wife's plane Tower Hobbies Kaos 40, I want to get
it right and jazz it up a bit...Ohhh and don't tell anybody, but this will
let me practice airbrushing before I start on any Pattern plane.VBG.

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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 28 07:37:08 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:37:08 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
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Did you not read the essay by Jerry Budd a few months ago?  Verified by Ron van Putte.  Both are qualified aerodynamicists.  I have done hours of studies on snap rolls and anallyzed them in slow motion, and they in no way fulfill the qualifications presently in the rule books.
The rules need rewording.

Bill Glaze
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Keith Hoard 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:22 AM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !


  Why would you let something as trivial as mathematics (or physics) get in your way?


  On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

    Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.

    Ron

    On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:


      A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled ?Better Aerobatics? which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull to enter a snap.    It is very enlightening.



      Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the Power ON stall speed  - Squared.



      His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.    This means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading if entering the ?flick roll? at 105 mph.



      What I find fascinating about the formula is the ?power on stall? part of the formula.   Now translate that into our models which have NO power ON stall speed.   I think this means that mathematically we cannot do a snap.   Or the instantaneous Gs required are impossible to obtain.



















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From johnfuqua at embarqmail.com  Sun Feb 28 08:42:13 2010
From: johnfuqua at embarqmail.com (John Fuqua)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:42:13 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
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I read it.   But this was new data about full scale (to me anyway), which we have been trying to mimic per the rule book forever, which brought clarity to me.   Just thought I would share.

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:37 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !

 

Did you not read the essay by Jerry Budd a few months ago?  Verified by Ron van Putte.  Both are qualified aerodynamicists.  I have done hours of studies on snap rolls and anallyzed them in slow motion, and they in no way fulfill the qualifications presently in the rule books.

The rules need rewording.

 

Bill Glaze

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Keith Hoard <mailto:khoard at gmail.com>  

To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !

 

Why would you let something as trivial as mathematics (or physics) get in your way?

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.

Ron

On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:

A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled ?Better Aerobatics? which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull to enter a snap.    It is very enlightening.



Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the Power ON stall speed  - Squared.



His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.    This means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading if entering the ?flick roll? at 105 mph.



What I find fascinating about the formula is the ?power on stall? part of the formula.   Now translate that into our models which have NO power ON stall speed.   I think this means that mathematically we cannot do a snap.   Or the instantaneous Gs required are impossible to obtain.



















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From billglaze at bellsouth.net  Sun Feb 28 09:11:36 2010
From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (Bill Glaze)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:11:36 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !
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John: Not a criticism; just wanted to make sure that you had seen the well-done essay.  It is so good, that I saved it and made a hard copy for my "technical" file to boot; just making sure that I for-sure had it.  Actually, I do that with a lot of the well-informed folks on this list.

Bill Glaze
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John Fuqua 
  To: 'General pattern discussion' 
  Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 12:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !


  I read it.   But this was new data about full scale (to me anyway), which we have been trying to mimic per the rule book forever, which brought clarity to me.   Just thought I would share.

   

  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
  Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 10:37 AM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !

   

  Did you not read the essay by Jerry Budd a few months ago?  Verified by Ron van Putte.  Both are qualified aerodynamicists.  I have done hours of studies on snap rolls and anallyzed them in slow motion, and they in no way fulfill the qualifications presently in the rule books.

  The rules need rewording.

   

  Bill Glaze

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Keith Hoard 

    To: General pattern discussion 

    Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 11:22 AM

    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] SNAPS ! AGAIN !

     

    Why would you let something as trivial as mathematics (or physics) get in your way?

    On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:21 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote:

    Oh my!  I hope John realizes what he's stepped in here.

    Ron

    On Feb 27, 2010, at 9:36 AM, John Fuqua wrote:

    A full scale friend lent me a book by Alan Cassidy entitled ?Better Aerobatics? which had a formula for determining how many Gs to pull to enter a snap.    It is very enlightening.



    Formula is  =  Recommended entry speed to enter snap divided by the Power ON stall speed  - Squared.



    His example (Pits S2A) was  105/55 =1.909  (1.909)2  =3.64 Gs.    This means you would try to have an  instantaneous 3.64 G loading if entering the ?flick roll? at 105 mph.



    What I find fascinating about the formula is the ?power on stall? part of the formula.   Now translate that into our models which have NO power ON stall speed.   I think this means that mathematically we cannot do a snap.   Or the instantaneous Gs required are impossible to obtain.



















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From chadnortheast at shaw.ca  Sun Feb 28 12:03:17 2010
From: chadnortheast at shaw.ca (Chad Northeast)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:03:17 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Hockey
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Just want to say GO CANADA 

:)

Chad





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From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com  Sun Feb 28 12:11:15 2010
From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Atwood, Mark)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:11:15 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
Message-ID: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861C27@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>

GO USA!!

But Yeah! For North America.  USA/Canada in both gold medal games. 

And this game is BRUTAL.  Good thing its their last. 


--------------------------
Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld


----- Original Message -----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun Feb 28 16:03:14 2010
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Hockey

Just want to say GO CANADA 

:)

Chad






From jlkonn at hotmail.com  Sun Feb 28 12:25:40 2010
From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:25:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
In-Reply-To: <f322fb172686b.4b8a77a2@shaw.ca>
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Gotta say you guys have had a great Olympics!
Congrats!
JLK

Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:03:14 -0700
From: chadnortheast at shaw.ca
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Hockey

Just want to say GO CANADA 

:)

Chad




 		 	   		  
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Sun Feb 28 12:52:32 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:52:32 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
In-Reply-To: <f322fb172686b.4b8a77a2@shaw.ca>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>
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Chad,

I'll echo the "Great Olympics" cheer!!!  But NOT the "Go Canada" -- 
although it will be good to have the hockey gold in North 
America.   I have been struggling with pneumonia for most of 
the  past 2 weeks, so have been saved by the Olympics!!!  I'll also 
give High Praises to Joannie Rochette for her figure skating 
effort!  She's a Gold Medalist in my book...

At 04:03 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote:
>Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--da4a24112147d24986c9d
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>
>Just want to say GO CANADA
>
>:)
>
>Chad
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
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From chadnortheast at shaw.ca  Sun Feb 28 12:53:01 2010
From: chadnortheast at shaw.ca (Chad Northeast)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 21:53:01 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
In-Reply-To: <BLU106-W2059DB236534E97FB04F55CD3D0@phx.gbl>
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Except womens curling!? That was a give away!

I think total medals still belongs to you guys though :)

C

----- Original Message -----
From: John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com>
Date: Sunday, February 28, 2010 2:26 pm
Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion]? Hockey
To: Chad Northeast <chad at f3acanada.org>, Discussion List <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>

> 
> Gotta say you guys have had a great Olympics!
> Congrats!
> JLK
> 
> Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:03:14 -0700
> From: chadnortheast at shaw.ca
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]? Hockey
> 
> Just want to say GO CANADA 
> 
> :)
> 
> Chad
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ?????????????????????????????????????????????? 
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From kthompson56 at satx.rr.com  Sun Feb 28 13:33:35 2010
From: kthompson56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:33:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com><236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net><6792ef121002270822m417e1621x71d21dd6e53ec0a9@mail.gmail.com><C83AAA2576604C18967B8F1F69498109@glazecstp32xp><005401cab89d$5fa781f0$1ef685d0$@com><76A9A3B70B44460299522B42DCF0665E@glazecstp32xp>
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Great Olympics all around...GO OVERTIME!! 

;-)
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chad Northeast 
  To: General pattern discussion 
  Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:03 PM
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey


  Just want to say GO CANADA 

  :)

  Chad







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From chad at f3acanada.org  Sun Feb 28 13:39:18 2010
From: chad at f3acanada.org (Chad Northeast)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:39:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
In-Reply-To: <B2472A7E08AE4A8B985B6C3908BFE7EE@kenpc>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>
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Message-ID: <4B8AF08F.4030201@f3acanada.org>

This is more nerve wracking than flying pattern!

C

On 10-02-28 3:33 PM, Ken Thompson wrote:
> Great Olympics all around...GO OVERTIME!!
> ;-)
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
>     *To:* General pattern discussion
>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>     *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:03 PM
>     *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
>
>     Just want to say GO CANADA
>
>     :)
>
>     Chad
>
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>     <mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>

From seefo at san.rr.com  Sun Feb 28 13:45:18 2010
From: seefo at san.rr.com (Doug Cronkhite)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:45:18 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
In-Reply-To: <4B8AF08F.4030201@f3acanada.org>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>
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WOOHOO!!!

Epic game! What a battle!

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 28, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Chad Northeast <chad at f3acanada.org> wrote:

> This is more nerve wracking than flying pattern!
>
> C
>
> On 10-02-28 3:33 PM, Ken Thompson wrote:
>> Great Olympics all around...GO OVERTIME!!
>> ;-)
>>
>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>    *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
>>    *To:* General pattern discussion
>>    <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>    *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:03 PM
>>    *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
>>
>>    Just want to say GO CANADA
>>
>>    :)
>>
>>    Chad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
>> --- 
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>    _______________________________________________
>>    NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>    NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>    <mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>    http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

From kthompson56 at satx.rr.com  Sun Feb 28 13:54:40 2010
From: kthompson56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:54:40 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com><236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net><6792ef121002270822m417e1621x71d21dd6e53ec0a9@mail.gmail.com><C83AAA2576604C18967B8F1F69498109@glazecstp32xp><005401cab89d$5fa781f0$1ef685d0$@com><76A9A3B70B44460299522B42DCF0665E@glazecstp32xp><f322fb172686b.4b8a77a2@shaw.ca><B2472A7E08AE4A8B985B6C3908BFE7EE@kenpc>
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Congrats Chad to you and your team...well played...gonna' go make a drink 
now...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chad Northeast" <chad at f3acanada.org>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 4:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey


> This is more nerve wracking than flying pattern!
>
> C
>
> On 10-02-28 3:33 PM, Ken Thompson wrote:
>> Great Olympics all around...GO OVERTIME!!
>> ;-)
>>
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>     *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
>>     *To:* General pattern discussion
>>     <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>     *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:03 PM
>>     *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
>>
>>     Just want to say GO CANADA
>>
>>     :)
>>
>>     Chad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>     NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>     NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>     <mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
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>>
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From chad at f3acanada.org  Sun Feb 28 13:56:35 2010
From: chad at f3acanada.org (Chad Northeast)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:56:35 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
In-Reply-To: <C16DC5AC-EC3A-4441-A5CF-842155C41358@san.rr.com>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com>
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WOOOOOHOOOOO! is right!

Miller played outstanding all tournament, he kept that OT going a couple 
of times.

C

On 10-02-28 3:41 PM, Doug Cronkhite wrote:
> WOOHOO!!!
>
> Epic game! What a battle!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 28, 2010, at 2:39 PM, Chad Northeast <chad at f3acanada.org> wrote:
>
>> This is more nerve wracking than flying pattern!
>>
>> C
>>
>> On 10-02-28 3:33 PM, Ken Thompson wrote:
>>> Great Olympics all around...GO OVERTIME!!
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>    *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
>>>    *To:* General pattern discussion
>>> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>    *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:03 PM
>>>    *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
>>>
>>>    Just want to say GO CANADA
>>>
>>>    :)
>>>
>>>    Chad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 
>>>
>>>    _______________________________________________
>>>    NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>>    NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> <mailto:NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>>    http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>

From vanputte at cox.net  Sun Feb 28 14:35:14 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:35:14 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
In-Reply-To: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861C27@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861C27@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
Message-ID: <BA188705-742D-462E-82D3-E3F963F50CE0@cox.net>

I heard there was a fight in Vancouver and a hockey game broke out.

Ron

On Feb 28, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:

> GO USA!!
>
> But Yeah! For North America.  USA/Canada in both gold medal games.
>
> And this game is BRUTAL.  Good thing its their last.
>
>
> --------------------------
> Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
> bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sun Feb 28 16:03:14 2010
> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Hockey
>
> Just want to say GO CANADA
>
> :)
>
> Chad
>
>
>
>
>
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Sun Feb 28 14:39:24 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 23:39:24 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
In-Reply-To: <BA188705-742D-462E-82D3-E3F963F50CE0@cox.net>
References: <99B8EFCA36A5724F87FF3C71B431D8721833861C27@PEVM01.paragon-inc.com>
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Message-ID: <20100228233924.024DA11625@bridi.netexpress.com>

Ron, that joke is older than even YOU!!! lol

At 06:38 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote:
>I heard there was a fight in Vancouver and a hockey game broke out.
>
>Ron
>
>On Feb 28, 2010, at 3:11 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>>GO USA!!
>>
>>But Yeah! For North America.  USA/Canada in both gold medal games.
>>
>>And this game is BRUTAL.  Good thing its their last.
>>
>>
>>--------------------------
>>Sent from my BlackBerry Wireless Handheld
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <nsrca-discussion- 
>>bounces at lists.nsrca.org>
>>To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>>Sent: Sun Feb 28 16:03:14 2010
>>Subject: [NSRCA-discussion]  Hockey
>>
>>Just want to say GO CANADA
>>
>>:)
>>
>>Chad
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>_______________________________________________
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-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
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From jaqfly at prodigy.net  Sun Feb 28 15:50:11 2010
From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:50:11 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
In-Reply-To: <B2472A7E08AE4A8B985B6C3908BFE7EE@kenpc>
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Where can I find the rule for max volts?
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sun Feb 28 16:03:49 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:03:49 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
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It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.


On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:

> Where can I find the rule for max volts?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion


From johnfuqua at embarqmail.com  Sun Feb 28 16:21:09 2010
From: johnfuqua at embarqmail.com (John Fuqua)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:21:09 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
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No its not (assuming we are talking RC Aerobatics).  Try page RCA-2 para 4.1
which states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum
of 42.56 volts.."

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts

It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.


On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:

> Where can I find the rule for max volts?
>
> _______________________________________________
> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Sun Feb 28 16:25:38 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:25:38 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
In-Reply-To: <713CC2F7-B3D9-4B10-9F24-1A4FA742B390@cox.net>
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Max volts???

At 08:07 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote:
>It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.
>
>
>On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>
>>Where can I find the rule for max volts?
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
>_______________________________________________
>NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion

-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
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From chuenkan at comcast.net  Sun Feb 28 16:26:25 2010
From: chuenkan at comcast.net (Phil Spelt)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:26:25 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
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OK, thanks, John...

At 08:21 PM 2/28/2010, you wrote:
>No its not (assuming we are talking RC Aerobatics).  Try page RCA-2 para 4.1
>which states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum
>of 42.56 volts.."
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
>Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM
>To: General pattern discussion
>Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>
>It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.
>
>
>On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>
> > Where can I find the rule for max volts?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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>
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-->There are only two types of aircraft -- fighters and targets.

Phil Spelt, Past President, Knox County Radio Control Society, Inc.
        URL: http://www.kcrctn.com
AMA--1294,  Scientific Leader Member, SPA--177
       My URL: http://mywebpages.comcast.net/~chuenkan/
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sun Feb 28 16:37:55 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 01:37:55 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
In-Reply-To: <009f01cab8dd$7cd186f0$767494d0$@com>
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Yeah, that's what I meant to say.  Thanks John.  Shoulda, woulda,  
coulda.....

Ron

On Feb 28, 2010, at 7:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:

> No its not (assuming we are talking RC Aerobatics).  Try page RCA-2  
> para 4.1
> which states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a  
> maximum
> of 42.56 volts.."
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron  
> Van Putte
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>
> It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>
>> Where can I find the rule for max volts?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
> _______________________________________________
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From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 28 18:19:16 2010
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 03:19:16 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
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I'm really happy for Canada.. Sure I wish the US woulda won, but?Canada wanted it worse. They came out fierce. Got me in Stanley cup mood. GO WINGS!

Heck, I was even?going for?the Canadian (womens of course) curling team! I like the strategy to?it! I'm a fan of it now!
?
Chris 







________________________________
From: Chad Northeast <chad at f3acanada.org>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sun, February 28, 2010 2:39:11 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey

This is more nerve wracking than flying pattern!

C

On 10-02-28 3:33 PM, Ken Thompson wrote:
> Great Olympics all around...GO OVERTIME!!
> ;-)
>
>? ? ----- Original Message -----
>? ? *From:* Chad Northeast <mailto:chadnortheast at shaw.ca>
>? ? *To:* General pattern discussion
>? ? <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>? ? *Sent:* Sunday, February 28, 2010 3:03 PM
>? ? *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Hockey
>
>? ? Just want to say GO CANADA
>
>? ? :)
>
>? ? Chad
>
>
>
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From joddino at socal.rr.com  Sun Feb 28 19:00:50 2010
From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:00:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
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What comes after ...?  Does it specify a load or any other conditions?  Is it measured during the noise test and have a minimum value?

Just stirring the pot, Jim O


On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:

> No its not (assuming we are talking RC Aerobatics).  Try page RCA-2 para 4.1
> which states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a maximum
> of 42.56 volts.."
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte
> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
> 
> It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.
> 
> 
> On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:
> 
>> Where can I find the rule for max volts?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
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From vanputte at cox.net  Sun Feb 28 19:22:03 2010
From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:22:03 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
In-Reply-To: <86A4070F-91F5-417E-9CE0-CCD697AB8C3A@socal.rr.com>
References: <003c01cab7c2$918e21f0$b4aa65d0$@com><236CA410-D17E-4EB1-9723-5C27FD37E9DF@cox.net><6792ef121002270822m417e1621x71d21dd6e53ec0a9@mail.gmail.com><C83AAA2576604C18967B8F1F69498109@glazecstp32xp><005401cab89d$5fa781f0$1ef685d0$@com><76A9A3B70B44460299522B42DCF0665E@glazecstp32xp>	<f322fb172686b.4b8a77a2@shaw.ca>	<B2472A7E08AE4A8B985B6C3908BFE7EE@kenpc>	<352441.87541.qm@web83301.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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That stirs a wild thought in my brain.  Fully charged packs don't  
stay at 4.2 volts per cell very long.  On the other hand, once the  
initial charge voltage is burned off by a constant load, the voltage  
loss curve "flattens out".  What if you put fully charged 6S and a 5S  
packs in series and "burn them down" to 3.869 volts per cell (a total  
of 42.56 volts for an 11-cell pack) so they were legal for use.   
Would the voltage of this depleted 11S pack be higher than a fully  
charged 10S pack at the end of a typical flight?  If the end-of- 
flight voltage might be significantly higher for the 11S pack vice a  
10S pack, it would be worth investigating, even considering the extra  
weight of the additional cell.  Come on you electronic gurus, show me  
where I'm wrong.

Ron Van Putte

On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:00 PM, James Oddino wrote:

> What comes after ...?  Does it specify a load or any other  
> conditions?  Is it measured during the noise test and have a  
> minimum value?
>
> Just stirring the pot, Jim O
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
>
>> No its not (assuming we are talking RC Aerobatics).  Try page  
>> RCA-2 para 4.1
>> which states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a  
>> maximum
>> of 42.56 volts.."
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron  
>> Van Putte
>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>>
>> It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>>
>>> Where can I find the rule for max volts?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
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From khoard at gmail.com  Sun Feb 28 19:44:37 2010
From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:44:37 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
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What if you were flying in Europe?  Would you have to convert to metric
volts?

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 10:00 PM, James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com> wrote:

> What comes after ...?  Does it specify a load or any other conditions?  Is
> it measured during the noise test and have a minimum value?
>
> Just stirring the pot, Jim O
>
>
> On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
>
> > No its not (assuming we are talking RC Aerobatics).  Try page RCA-2 para
> 4.1
> > which states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a
> maximum
> > of 42.56 volts.."
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van
> Putte
> > Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM
> > To: General pattern discussion
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
> >
> > It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.
> >
> >
> > On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:
> >
> >> Where can I find the rule for max volts?
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list
> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
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>



-- 

Keith Hoard
Collierville, TN
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From chad at f3acanada.org  Sun Feb 28 19:48:50 2010
From: chad at f3acanada.org (Chad Northeast)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:48:50 -0000
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
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You would be at about 50% capacity at 3.85 ish volts/cell (resting open 
circuit), so unless you up the capacity you will have a pretty 
restricted flight time.

Chad

On 10-02-28 9:25 PM, Ron Van Putte wrote:
> That stirs a wild thought in my brain.  Fully charged packs don't stay 
> at 4.2 volts per cell very long.  On the other hand, once the initial 
> charge voltage is burned off by a constant load, the voltage loss 
> curve "flattens out".  What if you put fully charged 6S and a 5S packs 
> in series and "burn them down" to 3.869 volts per cell (a total of 
> 42.56 volts for an 11-cell pack) so they were legal for use.  Would 
> the voltage of this depleted 11S pack be higher than a fully charged 
> 10S pack at the end of a typical flight?  If the end-of-flight voltage 
> might be significantly higher for the 11S pack vice a 10S pack, it 
> would be worth investigating, even considering the extra weight of the 
> additional cell.  Come on you electronic gurus, show me where I'm wrong.
>
> Ron Van Putte
>
> On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:00 PM, James Oddino wrote:
>
>> What comes after ...?  Does it specify a load or any other 
>> conditions?  Is it measured during the noise test and have a minimum 
>> value?
>>
>> Just stirring the pot, Jim O
>>
>>
>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 5:21 PM, John Fuqua wrote:
>>
>>> No its not (assuming we are talking RC Aerobatics).  Try page RCA-2 
>>> para 4.1
>>> which states "Electrically-powered model aircraft are limited to a 
>>> maximum
>>> of 42.56 volts.."
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron 
>>> Van Putte
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 7:07 PM
>>> To: General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Max volts
>>>
>>> It's in the general rules, not in the R/C section.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 28, 2010, at 6:50 PM, Jim Quinn wrote:
>>>
>>>> Where can I find the rule for max volts?
>>>>
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