[NSRCA-discussion] unknowns

[mike mueller]

 Something not being mentioned and a little off from the original thought about adding unknowns into pattern is the cost of IMAC vs: the cost of pattern. 
 I'd say that the 2 planes I fly now which are an Integral with and AXI F3A and a Sickle with a Plettenberg ran me in the range of about $3000 each. I consider both to be no comprimise top level competitive modern no holds barred pattern planes. What I mean is these planes in no way limit my abilities. What would a comparable top level 40% IMAC plane cost me?
                 Thanks, Mike Mueller

--- On Tue, 9/22/09, steve hannah <shannah1806 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: steve hannah <shannah1806 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] unknowns
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 8:16 PM
> I think this thread started as a query into
> unknowns.  Jim W's post pretty well hit the nail on the
> head.  Leave the unknowns to IMAC.  When I switched from
> F3A to IMAC (actually the JR SCAT series) in 2002 I started
> flying Intermediate and really liked the unknowns.  Flying
> those unknown sequences was very easy.  I found the degree
> of difficulty of maneuvers between intermediate and the then
> F3A sequence to be compatible.  Unknowns were no more
> difficult and, since I had been flying competitive pattern
> for 12 years I had little trouble adapting.  I was
> typically the most experienced pilot in the class so I had
> little trouble.  Moving up the ladder saw an exponential
> increase in the degree of difficulty for the maneuvers as
> well as for the unknowns.  It is true, you have to kick
> butt in the unknown in order to win.  So, at every contest
> I would spend saturday night learning and memorizing my
> unknown.  I'd get the sequence and stick fly it until I
> fell asleep.  I got to where I really hated that.  It
> wasn't fun.  Flying Unlimited in 2007, including the
> TAS, burned me out on this whole thing and cured me of any
> desire to fly unknowns ever again.
> 
> 
> When I started flying pattern again in 2008, it was like a
> breath of fresh air to me.  The contests were fun again. 
> I am a competitive guy and I stopped having fun at IMAC
> contests.  They were just too much work.  
> 
> 
> Pattern contests are much lower key and relaxing.  IMAC
> events are hectic.  The unknowns put a cramp on your fun as
> well.  I would always be thinking at the evening group
> dinner "I can't have that extra beer, I need to
> leave NOW in order to have enough time to cram the Unlimited
> Unknown sequence into memory".  That sucked.
> 
> 
> As for the never ending debate of which is
> better/tougher/more precise, I'll say this.  Flying
> Pattern made me a good IMAC pilot.  Then, flying IMAC made
> me a much better Pattern flier.  They're all good. 
> Everyone should try both.  Just leave the unknowns to IMAC,
> Keep them easy enough to memorize in 10 minutes in the
> morning so you can have a few beers and shoot the bull with
> your buddies at night.
> 
> 
> Steve
> 
> On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM,
> Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
> wrote:
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> J N Hiller wrote:
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>   Thanks guys that
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> make it a little easier.  I will then assume
> that the slash marks
> through the loop only indicate centering the rolling
> element.
>   It
> looked nice through 90
> degrees of ark with a very slow rate but I
> only got one out of maybe a dozen attempts that looked
> decent. 
>   Jim
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> Those marks are from the Aresti catalog and indicate where
> on the loop
> a roll element can be placed.
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