[NSRCA-discussion] Speaking of the 2011 Worlds at Muncie . . . . .

Thu Sep 3 05:47:40 AKDT 2009

 Hey guys just a chime in and a perspective.
 I first heard about the proposed dates at the NSRCA officers meeting held at the Nats. 
 My initial reaction was how cool it will be that we will have 2 events back to back and what a privilege it is to host the worlds.
 I know that Derek has been busting his tail and doing his homework to get this done so I support him.
 So after some thought I've come to the conclusion that this is a pretty workable solution if all the logistics can be worked out with the AMA and event conflicts. 
 To the best of my knowledge there have been talks with Don Cherry of the AMA and I think for the most part the preliminary schedule is pretty close to what's going to happen.
 Someone had to take the ball here and make some decisions. I'm thinking that this is Derek's and the AMA's plan. Question is what would you have done if you were the leader of our organization?
 I think it was Doug who made the statement that the Worlds are a priority.
 He's right to a degree. We have been chosen to host the best flyers in the world and this has to be #1 on the list of things to accomplish in 2011. I will re access my personal needs and align myself with the task at hand. If I get lucky I get to do both the end of the worlds and compete in the Nats. Time and personal situations will dictate.
 Will the worlds hurt the Nats? Probably. Will finding volunteers be difficult? No doubt. Can we do it all? I'm pretty confident but it won't be easy and we need people to be understanding and flexable.
 I can't wait to see CLPR for myself.
 Thanks for letting me air my thoughts. Mike Mueller D5VP

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Speaking of the 2011 Worlds at Muncie . . . . .
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 10:58 PM
> Tony, 
> 
> This has been discussed quite a bit previous to this
> conversation on the officers list quite some time ago. Derek
> has done a huge amount of work to make this happen as you
> must know. I believe it had been discussed with the ama, and
> therefore the reason for the rough dates that we have. I
> could be wrong, but this is my recollection. 
> 
> I know it seems odd to you, as it did me at first, but I
> haven't been on the team before as you, nor have I ever
> had the chance to witness a "Worlds" as you have.
> This is my chance to see it. If it's right before the
> nats, that's great timing for me. And many that were
> asked, feel this way. 
> 
> It is wished by many of us that the nats date didn't
> have to be moved, but soaring could move up a week, and so
> on to make room for the worlds. The nats
>  will be poorly attended if the two are separated IMO. A
> lot of people may want to see the worlds competition. 
> If they are separated, not many of us will be able to
> attend. Just my opinion though. Not discounting yours. I
> agree with you about it being hard to find a hotel, but I
> don't think any of the competitors will stick around for
> a local nats as they just flew the worlds. I would think our
> own worlds team may not attend the nats right after. Maybe
> the current team could chime in if they read this to say if
> they would have stuck around for a local nats in Portugal
> the week after the worlds. 
> 
> Think about a rotating nats. If it was held somewhere else
> in the country, the dates would most likely vary up to a
> month either way. 
> 
> Not arguing with you here. This is said in a calm tone.
> Just conversing. 
> 
> You coming to Hollister?
>  Chris
>      
>     
> 
> From:
> Anthony Frackowiak <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> To: General
> pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent:
> Wednesday, September 2, 2009 8:32:37 PM
> Subject: Re:
> [NSRCA-discussion] Speaking of the 2011 Worlds at Muncie . .
> . . .
> 
> 
> Derek,
> Maybe I'm coming in late to this discussion,
> and for that I apologize. But I would like to ask a few more
> questions just for clarification. 
> You have stated before that the Pattern Nats for
> 2011 won't be scheduled until October of 2010. Has there
> been any serious discussion with the AMA about the 2011
> Pattern Nats and if it will even be possible to do what you
> are stating? Can they can even be held after the WC? It
> would seem that this will take a monumental shift in the
> Center schedule.
> Are the dates that you have put out for the
> WC's the only alternative right now? Do we even have the
> option of moving them later?
> Thanks for your reply!
> Tony
> 
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Derek Koopowitz
> wrote:
> Fluid meaning that the
>  dates could move a few days forward or backward... yes,
> absolutely.   Cast in concrete -
> when the 1st bulletin gets mailed out.
> 
>  On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:24
> PM, Anthony Frackowiak <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>   No it has not been
> worked out. You are saying your dates for the WC are fluid,
> and the dates for the 2011 Nats are not set even
> tentatively. So there is a lot in the air. 
>  Tony 
>    On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:15 PM,
> Derek Koopowitz wrote:
>   
> Actually it had been all worked out
>  until "everyone" started chiming in as to their
> preference for when the wc should be held and the Nats
> should be held... can't please all the people.
>   LOL
> 
>  On Wed, Sep 2, 2009
> at 4:07 PM, Anthony Frackowiak <frackowiak at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
>   I absolutely agree.
> IRCHA will not move their dates unless forced to by the AMA.
> And I doubt the AMA will do so. 
>  I find it hard to believe that this has not
> been worked out yet.  
>  Tony 
>      On Sep 2, 2009, at 4:00
> PM, Bill's Email wrote:
> 
>     
> Anthony Frackowiak wrote: Archie is absolutely correct.  
>  Tony 
>   On Sep 2, 2009, at 3:51 PM, Archie Stafford
> wrote:
>  
>   IRCHA is a totally
> different animal though.  Kind of like having Joe Nall
> after the pattern worlds.  I’d say most people really
> didn’t
>  care about the F3C worlds.  IRCHA does a lot more 3D
> stuff.   
> 
> 
> And my point was that attracting 900 paid participants to
> an event is going to give them some clout when it comes to a
> schedule relative to the pattern NATS. The WC are a
> different thing, but IRCHA is not likely to budge for the
> pattern NATS if it came to that.
>  
> 
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