[NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Suggested New Snap Roll (BrakeRoll)Description

[John Pavlick]

Lance,
 I'm surprised. Haven't you been here long enough to realize that usually the ideas that don't get "acknowledged" are the GOOD ones? LOL
 
John Pavlick

--- On Mon, 10/19/09, Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at tx.rr.com> wrote:


From: Lance Van Nostrand <patterndude at tx.rr.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Suggested New Snap Roll (BrakeRoll)Description
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, October 19, 2009, 12:09 AM



Did anyone see this post earlier?  I saw the conversation progress and just want to know if this was such a bad idea that it wasn't worth acknowleging....

--Lance

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: patterndude at tx.rr.com
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 20:18:10
> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Suggested New Snap Roll (Brake
> Roll)Description
> 
> Given all the natural differences among planes and styles it seems clear that some are applying personal criteria that can't universally be applied. Also, its very possible many of the snaps generally accepted as good may not be autorotations at all (especially on uplines and other angles or positions where the forces are far from straight and level), so why does the definition try to define something we don't do?
> 
> How about if we just make this simple to judge and boil it down to this: A "snap", for maximum points, is a rapid rotation where the fuselage makes a clear break in heading from its track for the duration of the roll but the general track does not change.
> 
> If the track barrel rolls, it is the wrong manuver it is downgraded 10. If the heading does not remain deviated for the entire roll it is downgraded 1 pt per 15
> 
> Lance
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> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Black <tkeithblack at gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 00:03:41
> To: General pattern discussion<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Suggested New Snap Roll (Brake Roll)
> Description
> 
> How about this definition:
> 
> A snap-roll (or break roll) is a rapid autorotation roll where the
> model aircraft is in a stalled
> attitude, with a continuous high angle of attack.
> At the start of a snap-roll, the fuselage attitude must show a
> definite break and separation from the
> flight path, before the rotation is started, since the model aircraft
> is supposed to be in a stalled
> condition throughout the maneuver, If the stall/break does not occur
> and the model aircraft barrel rolls
> around, the maneuver must be severely downgraded (more than 5 points).
> Similarly, axial
> rolls disguised as snap-rolls must be severely downgraded (more than 5 points).
> Snap-rolls can be flown both positive and negative, and the same
> criteria apply. The attitude
> (positive or negative) is at the competitor’s discretion. If the model
> aircraft returns to an unstalled
> condition during the snap-roll, the maneuver is severely downgraded
> using the 1 point/15 degree
> rule. Snap-rolls have the same judging criteria as axial rolls as far
> as start and stop of the rotation, and
> constant flight path through the maneuver is concerned.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 11:09 AM, Martin X. Moleski, SJ
> <moleski at canisius.edu> wrote:
>> Vicente,
>> 
>>> Thanks for the suggestions.
>> 
>> De nada.
>> 
>>> Remember that I write in Spanglish so I am
>>> sure that there are more mistakes. Read and read again.
>> 
>> Me gusta mucho. ;o)
>> 
>> Marty
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