[NSRCA-discussion] Snap

[Dan]

Hmmm, I still agree with you Don.  We end up chasing or tails or making simple things more and more complicated when we try to describe every portion of a maneuver.  Local contest are darn lucky if you can get a few fliers from Int or Adv that know the maneuvers much less have memorized every sub-section of a description or deduction criteria.  They do the best they can, and even then, it more than likely picks the correct finishing order for the class they judge.  

Dan
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Ramsey 
  To: 'General pattern discussion' 
  Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 8:55 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap


  It seems we sometimes get caught up in the name of a maneuver.  The description always takes preference over the name.  Some examples: double Immelmann without rolls is not a double Immelmann if it doesn't have the rolls, stall turn may not really be a stall turn, our snap into a spin is not really a snap into a spin but that's what we call it because we define it that way.  The question is, why is the snap any different?  In essence, the description now says it is a pitch break, followed by. and ideally the model follows the track of the geometry of the maneuver.  It may not be a snap but that's what we call it.  My biggest concern is what we now have is a maneuver that with 5 judges is likely to get an 8, 0, 7, 0, 9.  That's not what we need.  One element of a maneuver should not determine who wins the NATS or a local contest.

   

  Don

   

   

  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rjo626 at aol.com
  Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:46 PM
  To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
  Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap

   

       I am not wrong. I've done it. With a tail heavy airplane with too much elevator throw. Before I knew how to fly, 

  my father would hold the radio down so that I could pull the elevator stick back to do a loop. I pulled back all at

  once instead of gradually. The Sportmaster did a TRUE snap roll in straight and level flight. Scared the bejeezum

  out of both of us! No aileron; no rudder.

   

       Later!

              RJO

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