[NSRCA-discussion] Snap

[J N Hiller]

Exactly how will a wiffle be described in the maneuver judging criteria? How many point downgrade?
Jim
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ed Alt
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 5:34 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap
 
Don:
I don't agree with that. You need to see a distinct pitch break and yawing action to accompany the pitch break, otherwise there is no real evidence that autorotation occurred. "Tail coning" alone is not even a reliable indicator of a snap.  You can easily cheat that to sell a "snap".   A snap is a stalled wing, autorotation maneuver. Also, the tendency to downgrade snaps because of any line displacement goes entirely against the physics of what must occur in order for a real snap roll take happen.  I think we should have a rule that most clearly accounts for the physics of what must occur for it to be a real snap, or just take them of sequences entirely.  And of course, educate judges and pilots accordingly.  Also, when you're a judge, don't be afraid to zero or severely downgrade a wiffle snap, or whatever is being presented to you if it's not a real snap. Especially don't be afraid of zeroing snaps when it's a big name trying to sneak a snap cheat in front of you.
 
Regards,
Ed
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Don Ramsey <mailto:donramsey at gmail.com>  
To: 'General pattern discussion' <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  
Sent: Sunday, October 11, 2009 7:01 AM
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap
 
Ok, how about this for the snap?  “If its not a barrel roll and not an axial roll, it’s a snap.” Maybe have the coning of the tail in the description. This eliminates about 90% of the judging differences.
 
Don
 
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org <mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org>  [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards
Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 8:09 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] basic judging question (warning 4 letter word)
 
I think changing the judging criteria, just for the snap part of the manuever, would suffice.

--- On Sat, 10/10/09, John Ferrell <jferrell13 at triad.rr.com> wrote:
 
? 
I believe "We could fix most of that, by assigning a low K to snap maneuvers" is the only appropriate solution. If you cast them out, it is giving up. 
 
John Ferrell  W8CCW
 
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