[NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)

krishlan fitzsimmons homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
Mon May 18 21:46:28 AKDT 2009


I wish our drive was a short 19 hour drive. That would be easy. lol

Chris          

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Chuck Hochhalter <cahochhalter at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 8:24 PM



 
 


 
I think that there is definitely a clear picture of how 
our districts differ through this discussion.  In D6, those of us in 
masters are very aware of what it takes to fly FAI.  We look up to our FAi 
pilots for their knowledge, guidance, support, encouragement and the challenge 
of flying against them in cmopetition.  
 
I flew FAI right after p-09 came out so I WOULD NOT 
POINT OUT.  I had so much support from the FAI pilots encouraging and 
offering suggestions.  Yes, we flew F on sunday and I managed to not zero 
anything.... I had some 3's but still, I understood the challenge and accepted 
it.
 
There is not one pilot in our district that is not 
flying FAI because of our contest structure... in fact, it has strengthened our 
district and the number of top pilots.  In D6, we have one of the largest 
contingents of NATS pilots around.. even with a 19 hour drive to get 
there.  We support, encourage and eagerly await our districts pilots 
trip to NATS and their success.
 
NATS is a chance to test yourself against your peers on 
a different stage.... looking at D6 and their track record of developing top 
pilots, I can’t condemn them for the way they run their contests, seems to 
produce winners to me. 
 
If you want to argue superior southern genetic 
mutations, then of course that is another thread altogether.
 
Chuck Hochhalter




From: krishlan fitzsimmons 
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:22 PM
To: General pattern discussion 

Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the 
pot..;)



      IMO, for many, the point of flying pattern isn't to go to the nats. If 
      this was the case, we would have about 125 pattern pilots. The point of 
      flying pattern to many in my district varies, but not many want to go to 
      the nats. Now this being said, I do want to go, still in Masters this 
      year, but next year I will fly FAI. My thought is that if I want to fly 2 
      rounds of F at a contest, I can choose to do this, but they will be my 
      throw away rounds. The pilot who doesn't want to practice F shouldn't be 
      forced to fly it, or have his rounds thrown away just because the pilots 
      who go to the nats want local contests flown how the nats are. 
      I would assume that most FAI nats pilots don't care about the trophy 
      anyway, so we could judge them all 6 rounds of F if they want.  As a 
      masters pilot, I like judging the F sequence. I support it being flown, 
      and judged at locals, however, I don't think it should be forced to be 
      flown at a local.  Just my opinion. 
      
      Think about this, try the system of flying both sequences at a contest, 
      now throw in us, or imagine yourself being one of the masters guys who 
      want to move up. Would you want to be forced to learn two sequences just 
      to move up and fly a contest? Or be forced to take two zero rounds because 
      you just moved up and haven't had time to learn two sequences? Many would 
      stay in Masters I would guess. 
      
      Chris 
      
       
       
       

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Archie Stafford 
      <astafford at swtexas.net> wrote:

      
From: 
        Archie Stafford <astafford at swtexas.net>
Subject: Re: 
        [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)
To: "'General pattern 
        discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, 
        May 18, 2009, 4:14 PM


        
        



        
        Well, 
        I’m probably going to get crucified for this email, but that’s OK..won’t 
        be the first time.
         
        First, 
        pattern is SUPPOSED to be competition.  And unfortunately whether 
        we like it or not, at some level the point is geared toward the 
        NATS.  If guys don’t want to fly 2 FAI schedules, fine, then drop 
        back and fly Masters.  Frankly this years Master’s sequence is 
        tougher than the P09 sequence.  The guys who do fly FAI and do plan 
        on attending the NATS should get the opportunity to fly both at a local 
        contest.   They are the guys that deserve a chance to be as 
        ready for the NATS as possible.  The quality of flying in these 
        districts flying both has GREATLY improved and the results show it at 
        the NATS. 
         
        All 
        of these recent emails have been about what people can’t do, instead of 
        accepting it should be a challenge.  Some maneuvers are meant to be 
        tough.  Masters should not be an easy sequence for someone who 
        finishes 31st (just an example)at the NATS.  Even the 
        guys who win the NATS in the lower classes should not be flying 9 and 
        9.5 on every maneuver.  This is supposed to be a challenge.  
        If the sequence you are flying is too tough, then the provisions are 
        there to drop back and fly a lower class.  Life does get in the way 
        sometimes…I missed all of last year, but that doesn’t mean we make 
        sequences so that the guy who can only fly 3 or 4 times a month should 
        be able to fly it well.  I’ve been working on this sequence 
        committee stuff and sometimes after reading some of the stuff, I think 
        we should adopt the old Novice sequence for Masters so that it is easy 
        enough for everyone to fly.  
         
        I’ve 
        seen way too many times lower class guys that start a season having a 
        rough time, but with help and practice by the end of the year they are 
        flying it well and have learned what they are supposed to have learned 
        and are ready to move on and are excited about the improvements they 
        have seen.  We need to quit making sequences and rules for the guys 
        who have a tough time learning something and make it challenging for the 
        people at the top of that given class.  There is a reason that you 
        don’t have to move out of lower classes until you are ready and why 
        there are provisions for people to drop back and fly lower classes if 
        life gets in the way or for whatever reason.  
         
        We 
        keep coming up with reasons why we shouldn’t have tougher sequences, but 
        honestly that is part of the reason IMAC grew so quickly.  People 
        were scared of the unknowns and tougher sequences at first, but they 
        also accepted them as a challenge.  And a lot of guys have 
        continued to fly IMAC for this reason.  Many pattern people have 
        jumped over as well.  I don’t think I’ve ever heard an IMAc person 
        come over to pattern saying IMAC was too hard.  But I have met 
        a  lot of IMAC guys that continue to fly IMAC because the sequences 
        change and they are very challenging.  There is no rule that says 
        if you are uncomfortable with a maneuver that you can’t bail out of it 
        and take a zero.  There are guys complaining about maneuvers that I 
        doubt they have even ever tried.  I don’t think Masters should be 
        as tough as the F sequences in FAI, but it should be a challenging 
        class.  The lower classes should be geared toward people learning 
        the proper skills and techniques to get them ready for Masters and if 
        they choose to, to move on to FAI.  
         
        I 
        didn’t get to fly last year hardly at all because I was overseas, and 
        when I first flew this years Masters sequence it was tough and I had a 
        lot to learn about it, but I kept flying it and learned a lot about 
        it.  We need to get back to remembering that this is a competition 
        and that the people who fly it, fly it to get better, even if they have 
        no aspirations of winning.  We can’t keep dumbing down sequences 
        just to make it easier for someone.  The older Novice and Sportsman 
        sequences were much tougher than what guys are flying today and people 
        flew them with not nearly as good of equipment.  At the contest in 
        Crowley this weekend, the winds were swirling on Sunday and I’m sure, 
        had we had 3 loops in the sequence, it would’ve been interesting, but 
        guys would’ve learned from it and at the next contest would’ve done a 
        better job.  That is the point, we should be challenged when we 
        fly.
         
         I 
        think we will run off a lot more guys by making things too easy than we 
        ever will discourage from starting by making it too hard.  The 
        people who want to compete are going to compete and those that don’t 
        wont.  
         
        Just 
        my .02
         
        Heading 
        to the field,
         
        Arch
         
         
        
        
        From: 
        nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
        [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of 
        Dave Burton
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:37 
        PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: 
        [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)
         
        I 
        hope flying the F schedule at local contest doesn’t spread to D2. I have 
        zero interest in learning two FAI schedules and if it happens here I’ll 
        join the herds of people flying Masters. Isn’t it in the rules to fly F 
        only in the Nationals or Championship contest?
        Dave 
        Burton
         
        
        
        From: 
        nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
        [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of 
        Mark Hunt
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 5:57 PM
To: 
        pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the 
        pot..;)
         
        
        
        I have taken note that since we started flying the F 
        pattern regularly on Sunday at local contests (couple years now), we 
        have been scoring it in such a way that it is simply treated as a 6 
        round contest in which any combination of the F and P sequences may be 
        the drop rounds.  I think the concensus originaly being that not 
        everyone is comfortable flying the F, allowing those that only practice 
        the P to be able to drop both F rounds (usually 2 F rounds on 
        Sunday).
        
         
        
        Hypothetically, it could be run and tabulated in such 
        a way that in a typical 6 round contest of 4 P's and 2 F's, you would 
        drop one P and one F.  More of a Prelims and Finals 
style.
        
         
        
        It's not any serious concern to me, but I am 
        curious, what is the concensus among FAI pilots now?  Just 
        keep it the same, or consider changing?
        
         
        
         
        
        -mark
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