[NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;) of Gumbo

[shinden1 at cox.net]

Thanks for the discussion Mark,
I agree with Earl, and Arch
Competition is for separating the Best from the Best ,
it really don`t matter much to me how FAI is scored on the local level flying both sequences I go for the Experience and flying under pressure to get prepared for the Nats,the way we score it now, simply makes it easier for the scorekeepers. we all know how we flew after the Contest is over and  we all go home to improve ourselves for the next one.
 Do I want to Win, YES! ,but I want to Earn it or learn from it, or both.

The Simi format at the Nat`s has opened the door for a lot of guys to make it to the dance and test their skills on another level However, if you never fly F in competition you have nothing to compare your skills to.nor do you understand how to prepare. 

Most of us have enough wood on the wall and, after a while learning and Experienced hard judging becomes more valuable these are the best tools to learn and the Best feedback we could ask for.

We used to take a vote at the D6 contest and most of the time it was 100% to fly the F schedule. now there is no need to Vote we anticipate flying the F in Fact  on one of our last contest we decided to fly F a round early, Sat afternoon we couldn’t`t wait to fly it.
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In D6  FAI Fliers are blessed to have a great group of top shelf FAI and Masters Pilots and everyone knows and understands the reasons for flying both sequences it simply makes you better. and helps you prepare for the" national stage" so Now, the local contest now have real value, and I appreciate the CD`s for accommodating us..
At any given D6contest we will could have 6 to 10 Top FAI Pilots to fly against this makes us work harder to improve our skills. Almost all of us have made the F3a Finals or Simi`s  multiple times and it comes as no surprise ,,, because we prepare for them.

FAI is not for the faint of Heart  or the" hardly practiced" and in D6 if you want to move back to Masters you would probably get beat By Arch or Glen ,,or now Don Ramsey so ,,you learn to fly F or come in fourth in Masters,, it`s a great motivator LOL
Bottom Line is,
 Earl Haury and Mike Harrison has spearheaded this in our District for some time and I personally thank them for their wisdom on the Matter,  It`s made me work harder to be a better Pilot and Designer.
Bryan
---- Mark Hunt <flyintexan at att.net> wrote: 
> Earl,
> 
> Good points.
> 
> I have no desire to change anything about our current contest setups, but was curious about what others thought.
> 
> I hope we fly the new P pattern after the Nats as well.
> 
> Regards,
> Mark
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Earl Haury 
>   To: General pattern discussion 
>   Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 18:07
>   Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)
> 
> 
>   Mark
> 
>   They're are probably different views on this and no one is totally wrong. 
> 
>   We originally began flying F on Sunday in D6 so that folks going to the Nats had an opportunity to get some F experience in competition. It's even more desirable with the current Nats format allowing for 20 to move from the prelims to the semi's. When we first did this, it was agreed that anyone who wished could fly P on Sunday with the P & F scores normalized / combined for round placing, treating the total as a conventional 5 or 6 round event. I think that this is still the best way to handle it - the folks flying F simply "handicap" themselves - but we're out for the experience anyway. It just hasn't been brought up recently, as everyone now seems to want to fly F.
> 
>   Rather than dropping one of 4 P's and one F (it was done this way at Temple), it would be according the F3A rules to drop one of 4 P's, then normalize the remaining 3 P scores to 1000. The outcome is then determined by the best two of the (normalized) P score and the two F scores. (Either one F or the P score is dropped.) However, this doesn't work well when only three P's are flown, nor when 3 F's are flown as happens at some D6 meets. The FAI F3A rules are designed for large events and there is no particular rule for the typical local meet we hold in the US. 
> 
>   As Dave mentions, some folks have no interest in learning both sequences and that's their choice. I do think it's also very good for the game to be able to fly both if you wish. Hopefully more events will choose to try the above format as it allows for both interests. Some of us have no interest in attending a meet if there isn't an opportunity to fly F so, as I said, different preferences are valid.
> 
>   As an aside, for the last several rules cycles the D6 contests have switched to the new P schedule after the Nats for the remaining fall events. I hope that we continue that practice again this year.
> 
>   Earl
>     ----- Original Message ----- 
>     From: Mark Hunt 
>     To: pattern discussion 
>     Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:57 PM
>     Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] stirring the pot..;)
> 
> 
>     I have taken note that since we started flying the F pattern regularly on Sunday at local contests (couple years now), we have been scoring it in such a way that it is simply treated as a 6 round contest in which any combination of the F and P sequences may be the drop rounds.  I think the concensus originaly being that not everyone is comfortable flying the F, allowing those that only practice the P to be able to drop both F rounds (usually 2 F rounds on Sunday).
> 
>     Hypothetically, it could be run and tabulated in such a way that in a typical 6 round contest of 4 P's and 2 F's, you would drop one P and one F.  More of a Prelims and Finals style.
> 
>     It's not any serious concern to me, but I am curious, what is the concensus among FAI pilots now?  Just keep it the same, or consider changing?
> 
> 
>     -mark
> 
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