[NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

Mon May 11 08:37:21 AKDT 2009

Quite True.  Pretty much intuitive for an outsider taking a glance inside. 

Ron Lockhart 

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From: "J N Hiller" <jnhiller at earthlink.net> 
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:42:35 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
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The most useful tool for potential new pattern fliers who aren't being mentored were the ribbon diagrams. 

Jim Hiller 

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:21 AM 
To: jpavlick at idseng.com; 'General pattern discussion' 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement 

See what happens when you hand an Aresti sportsman schedule to a potential new pattern flyer and say: Just fly this! 

Or a new pattern flyer goes to the NSRCA web site wanting to see what he has to fly to compete. 

While it may be the universal aerobatic language,  why make it so that it has to be “ translated ” (KISS) 

Dave Burton 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 11:08 AM 
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Don't worry - you can make up your own call cards that are "translated" to English. Aresti is the universal language of Precision Aerobatics. It would be nice to see all of our schedules presented this way. I'm tired of explaining what a stall-turn is to people who fly full-scale or IMAC. :) 

John Pavlick 

--- On Mon, 5/11/09, Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> wrote: 

From: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement 
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 2:57 PM 

Please, no! 

 No way I ’ m going to get my practice caller to learn Aresti! It ’ s hard enough to get her to go out and read the English descriptions from the lounge chair. 
Please, no! 

 No way I ’ m going to get my practice caller to learn Aresti! It ’ s hard enough to get her to go out and read the English descriptions from the lounge chair. 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:53 AM 
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One thing that might be beneficial for number 2 is the use of Aresti for sequences.  I HATED it when I first started playing with it in IMAC, but now that I understand it, it does make life pretty easy.  There are also a couple of websites that really break it down and make it easy to understand.  

Arch 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hunt 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:43 AM 
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I would support 1 and 2. 

2 will require a good bit of effort in writing downgrade descriptions that cover all basic manuever concepts that could be put into NSRCA written sequences.  The IMAC rules are written and illustrated very well in this regard.  Might be easier if a few people worked together on this to split up some of the work. 

-mark 

From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> 
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Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:08:49 AM 
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OK Mark I will hold. 
I agree with and would support both 1&2. 
Jim Hiller 

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[mailto: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org ]On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark 
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:36 AM 
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Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement 

Not that the debate on 2 vs 3 rolls isn't fascinating, but.... 

Can we wrap up the original discussion regarding advancement? 

I heard a semi consensus on 2 things that I think we should aggressively 
pursue 

1) Removing any forced advancement rules (possibly changing to a guideline, 
or possibly eliminating the language altogether) 
        Reason: Forced advancement simply harms more people than it helps. 
Very few if any abuse the system, while many have been compelled to fly in a 
class inappropriate to their skills or comfort, discouraging some, causing 
others to quit, and overall reducing the level of enjoyment contrary to what 
the rule was intended for.  A guideline would still be valuable to help 
those who are trying to make the advancement decision, however that may be 
better placed outside of the Rule Book (such as the NSRCA web site) 

2) Removal of the pattern schedules from the rule book, in an effort to 
simplify the change procedure. 
        Reason: In conjunction with the change above, virtually every class 
is a "destination" class for some, and as such, some variety is desirable at 
every level.  De-coupling the sequences from the rule book would allow 
greater ease in changing the schedules, and greater ease of change also 
reduces the critical nature of "getting it right" the first time, which 
would allow for more creativity and experiementation. 

Thoughts?? 

How do we get this done... 

-Mark 
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