[NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

Mon May 11 07:13:46 AKDT 2009

Maneuver descriptions and downgrades can easily be kept current as we go along on the NSRCA website. That would be the responsibility of the judging  and sequence committees, I would guess. We already have a lot of it done in the AMA book now. If you notice, some of the descriptions that have been put in the book in recent times are more generic in nature to cover a family of variations of a particular maneuver. When we did the current Masters Sequence, we only had to put together a handful of descriptions with downgrades. Also, there are useful descriptions that can be taken from recent FAI Rulebooks. It is not as bad as one would think should we remove the sequences from the rule book. We can still leave descriptions in the AMA rulebook and add more, as needed.

From: burtona at atmc.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:57:29 -0400
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

Please, no!
 No way I’m going to get my practice caller to learn Aresti! It’s hard enough to get her to go out and read the English descriptions from the lounge chair.

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:53 AM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

One thing that might be beneficial for number 2 is the use of Aresti for sequences.  I HATED it when I first started playing with it in IMAC, but now that I understand it, it does make life pretty easy.  There are also a couple of websites that really break it down and make it easy to understand.  

Arch

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mark Hunt
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:43 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

I would support 1 and 2.

2 will require a good bit of effort in writing downgrade descriptions that cover all basic manuever concepts that could be put into NSRCA written sequences.  The IMAC rules are written and illustrated very well in this regard.  Might be easier if a few people worked together on this to split up some of the work.

-mark

From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 9:08:49 AM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

OK Mark I will hold.
I agree with and would support both 1&2.
Jim Hiller

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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:36 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] WRAP UP - Advancement

Not that the debate on 2 vs 3 rolls isn't fascinating, but....

Can we wrap up the original discussion regarding advancement?

I heard a semi consensus on 2 things that I think we should aggressively
pursue

1) Removing any forced advancement rules (possibly changing to a guideline,
or possibly eliminating the language altogether)
        Reason: Forced advancement simply harms more people than it helps.
Very few if any abuse the system, while many have been compelled to fly in a
class inappropriate to their skills or comfort, discouraging some, causing
others to quit, and overall reducing the level of enjoyment contrary to what
the rule was intended for.  A guideline would still be valuable to help
those who are trying to make the advancement decision, however that may be
better placed outside of the Rule Book (such as the NSRCA web site)

2) Removal of the pattern schedules from the rule book, in an effort to
simplify the change procedure.
        Reason: In conjunction with the change above, virtually every class
is a "destination" class for some, and as such, some variety is desirable at
every level.  De-coupling the sequences from the rule book would allow
greater ease in changing the schedules, and greater ease of change also
reduces the critical nature of "getting it right" the first time, which
would allow for more creativity and experiementation.

Thoughts??

How do we get this done...

-Mark
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