[NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs

[billglaze]

Not to get it started again, but I posited that, as in many local contests, the LZ and the LA were one and the same.  No markings on the field; in some cases, not even a marked centerline.  Bill
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Don Ramsey 
  To: 'General pattern discussion' 
  Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 5:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs


  Bill,

   

  No, I'm sorry, that is not correct.  For max points the model must land in the landing zone, usually 15 meters (about 50 feet) centered on the judges.  It only need roll 10 meters (about 33 feet) and be below flying speed to end the landing.

   

  Don

   

  From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of billglaze
  Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 9:35 AM
  To: General pattern discussion
  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs

   

  O.K., this has gone far afield since I originally started the discussion.  But, I believe it has blown away some of the smoke I had seen obscuring the subject/problem.

  So:

  If the airplane lands in the Landing Zone, (LZ) I will watch it for only the first 50 ft.and judge on that only.  (That was never my real question, but just for clarification.)

  In the event the Landing Zone has been declared to be the entire mowed portion or some portion thereof, should the plane land at the far end of the strip, it will still be judged on the first 50 ft. of roll out, and, if it becomes entangled in the long grass, making it swerve, for example, it will be a downgrade.  If, for any reason, (including being in the rough; doesn't matter the reason) it should end up on it's back, it will be a zero.  Nosing over, ground looping, hooking a wing, etc. will be cause for a downgrade.  If it lands outside the LZ, but within the LA, it will be a downgrade, unless, within the first 50 ft. it should finish on it's back, (mandatory 0) or ground loop, or hook a wing, or nose over, but not turn over, it will be a downgrade based on the severity.

  At least, that's my impression<G>  Thanks for y'all's patience.

   

  Bill Glaze

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: John Konneker 

    To: Discussion List 

    Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 7:59 PM

    Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs

     

    test
     
    > From: jnhiller at earthlink.net
    > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
    > Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 07:45:34 -0800
    > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
    > 
    > Maybe I am too dense for this but I don't understand how you do that. I've
    > seen may just go to full throttle and grab a handful of up elevator and hope
    > for the best, often over the pits.
    > Jim.
    > 
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
    > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Matthew
    > Frederick
    > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:08 PM
    > To: General pattern discussion
    > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
    > 
    > Oh, I meant the crosswind, but landings too
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "J N Hiller" <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
    > To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
    > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:21 PM
    > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
    > 
    > 
    > > Right throttle is used to control climb and decent. I have even set some
    > > up
    > > elevator mix on non-flap equipped models to reduce the speed on final. The
    > > yaw and wind drift are what need constant attention.
    > > Jim
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
    > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Matthew
    > > Frederick
    > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 6:48 PM
    > > To: General pattern discussion
    > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
    > >
    > > No argument here... I manage that with throttle only...
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "J N Hiller" <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
    > > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
    > > Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 8:14 PM
    > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
    > >
    > >
    > >> I've seen a lot of what you are talking about. IMAC airplanes are much
    > >> like
    > >> pattern airplanes although less forgiving of pilot error.
    > >> Cubs are scale airplanes also and making an on-line takeoff and landing
    > >> including climb-out and final in a quartering or crosswind with a high
    > >> wing
    > >> scale airplane is probably the most difficult and attention demanding
    > >> thing
    > >> an RC pilot can do. Cross controlling on the ground is needed and the
    > >> pilot
    > >> needs to transition to an upwind yaw as the wheels leave the ground to
    > >> hold
    > >> the line during climb-out. Cross controlling needs to be reapplied just
    > >> before touchdown to prevent a downwind roll with rudder as airplane
    > >> steered
    > >> along the centerline. It really is fun requiring nearly maximum use of
    > >> the
    > >> old processor. Flying a pattern airplane in a crosswind is a piece of
    > >> cake
    > >> by comparison.
    > >>
    > >> Jim
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> -----Original Message-----
    > >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
    > >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of John
    > >> Pavlick
    > >> Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 12:21 PM
    > >> To: General pattern discussion
    > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> OK, maybe that should only apply to some of the warbird guys in my club.
    > >> I
    > >> forgot, IMAC birds are "scale" too. :)
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> John Pavlick
    > >>
    > >> --- On Tue, 3/3/09, J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net> wrote:
    > >>
    > >> From: J N Hiller <jnhiller at earthlink.net>
    > >> Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] Landings and Takeoffs
    > >> To: jpavlick at idseng.com, "General pattern discussion"
    > >> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
    > >> Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 7:30 PM
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Hay, now I'm offended. Not all scale pilots have wild takeoffs.
    > >>
    > >> Jim
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
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