[NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequencediagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site

Sun Mar 1 12:24:15 AKST 2009

I guess that's right!  a "brief" pause is used to describe that....  

And "brief" would be relative to roll speed?...  lol

And, I agree with you that they look better with equal pause.  In my

way of thinking, it shows better control.

Thanks for the correction, Jason!

Rex

From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:59:19 -0500
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequencediagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site

Actually Rex, there are 'seen' pauses in the 3 rolls in FAI, sorry. But the opposite negative snaps in F are like what this reversed 2pt is.

Not that it means anything, but I think it looks better with all the point-rolls having an equal pause.

Regards,
Jason
www.shulmanaviation.com
www.composite-arf.com

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From: Rex 
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Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequencediagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site

Hi Gene

This exact thing was brought up last season about the "three opposite rolls" in FAI.
I believe the term "no perceiveable" hesitation between changing directions was used
to cover that....  LOL  I guess that means you better hit the point before you move the
stick the other way!  My guess is that if you are within a couple degrees of the point,
no one could see that anyway.  You are immediately changing roll direction, and the time
spent at the point of change is so short, you'd have to be somewhere around five degrees
off before it was actually seen as being "off".   The slower the roll, the easier it is to see
wing position in real time.   If you are rolling in slow roll fashion, the judge could easily see
if wing position is off.  I guess this is all splitting hairs, because if you reverse a roll at any
time, the wing has to stop rotation before it goes the other way, hence a hesitation....
This could drive a guy nuts....  But in my case, who could tell?!

Rex

From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:24:39 -0600
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site

Don’t you have to stop the plane to show the second point (2 of 2) and then reverse the roll direction (Reversed)? Doesn’t that “stop” create an inherent hesitation (Per Webster:  to delay momentarily : pause )? If there is no delay have you presented a point and therefore really performed a two point roll?

Gene Maurice
Plano, TX
AMA 3408 NSRCA 877
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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Rex
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 1:28 PM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site

You are correct Jim...  there is no hesitation between the two seperate 2/2.
Each 2/2 has a hesitation after the half roll to inverted.  So, to put it as a 
description of requirements, you'd have "half roll", hesitation, "half roll", NO HESITATION,
"half roll", hesitation, "half roll"....

Rex

From: jnhiller at earthlink.net
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Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 10:15:39 -0800
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site

George now you have me confused. I understood that there was to be NO hesitation between the two 2/2 rolls reversed. A noticeable hesitation would warrant a downgrade. PPT page 18 and RCA-33 agree on this.
Jim Hiller

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of George W.Kennie
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site

Jon,

You've been doing it correctly.  That's a list of downgrades. If there's no hesitation, it's a downgrade. 

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From: richard wallace 

To: General pattern discussion 
Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted onthe NSRCA site

Thanks, all, for the feedback on these presentations - now if I could only FLY  the Masters 09 sequence... !
BURN FUEL! (ok.... or electrons, as appropriate...)
On Sun, Mar 1, 2009 at 7:24 AM, Jon Lowe <jonlowe at aol.com> wrote:

Rick,
I want to thank you for posting these.  I read thru the Powerpoint presentation on the Masters sequence last nite, and picked up on two key points that I had completely missed.  I hadn't thought about pulling early on the start of the hourglass to maintain geometry,  and I had completely missed the fact that there is no hesitation in the two, two of two rolls opposite.  I had been practicing both manuevers incorrectly..  In fact, I would have sworn there WAS a hesitation in the rolls before I read your presentation and rechecked the rules.  Now if the weather would break so I could get more practice...

Job well done.

Jon Lowe 

-----Original Message-----
From: richard wallace <rickwallace45 at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 6:49 am
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Masters 2009 sequence diagrams are posted on the NSRCA site

The current Masters seequence is posted on the NSCA website (along with all the other current sequences)  at

http://nsrca.us/judginghome..html

Click the desired AMA class link in the middle of the page to open or save the presentation.

--  Each file is 2MB or a little less -dodwnload may take a few seconds

 -- Might as well save it on your local computer for later reference..!

These presentations try to capture the rulebook downgrades and some helpful tips but, as always, the current rulebook is the authority!

Links to FAI P09 and F09 sequences and call cards are in the listing to the right of the page.

Enjoy--!

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