[NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
Chad Northeast
chad at f3acanada.org
Fri Jul 31 18:19:47 AKDT 2009
John,
Its the same here in Canada, MAAC pays fees based on total membership,
not competitors. The other organizations are basically only competitors
so they avoid the high expense because of low numbers.
Its the same discussions amongst the members here as it is there I am sure!
Chad
John Fuqua wrote:
> Tony
> Whatever happened to the idea that AMA should pay FAI based on the number of
> AMA members holding an FAI stamp. After all they are the only ones that go
> to WCs or other FAI events.
>
> And by the way. What income does AMA derive from sport flyers dropping by?
> Does anyone other than the competitors pay for use of the site for modeling
> purposes??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tony
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:15 PM
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
>
> Bill:
> I had stated this several times before on this discussion group. Many VP's
> have lots of pressure from sport pilots that don't give a &%$* about
> competition. The facts are that less than 1% of the AMA membership competes
> officially in a sanctioned event. It become difficult as to why we have to
> pay FAI almost $100,000 each year just for the right to represent the USA in
> FAI events/planning! The cost of running the competition department at HQ
> who handles sanctions/rule books/FAI events and World Champs adds to the
> overall cost of AMA.
>
>
>
> Remember, I AM FOR COMPETITION! It is just difficult to debate it with
> other council members that just see it as a cost we could eliminate as 99%
> of the membership does not want it...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA 31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ________________________________
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> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 2:05 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
>
>
>
> Tony:
>
> I am, (and I'm sure the rest of us agree on this) grateful that you're a
> voice on the council. I also recognize that demographics change in this
> hobby. I'm old enough to remember, (though faintly!<G>) when hand-launch
> gliders were a very big part of the sport, as an example of changed demos.
> And, at one time, U-Control speed was a big name.
>
> But if those individuals on the council want to eliminate the Nats, it seems
> to me that they are eliminating a large incentive for even belonging to the
> AMA. (Leaving aside the insurance, for these purposes, which can be handled
> by other means.)
>
> Surely, it's only gentlemanly to accomodate others when possible. But, it
> seems to me that the others owe it to the rest of us to at least check and
> see what's going on in Muncie before they stake their vacation on sport
> flying a day or so there. (As an example.) For example; I wouldn't
> consider riding my Triumph(s) into Sturgis during August; I make it during
> October. (Weather's friendlier, anyway!)
>
> But, it's news to me that AMA people want to eliminate the Nationals; I'll
> bet it's news to a lot of the folks in this discussion. And, not to beat a
> dead horse, but seems to me that AMA has abrogated a lot of their
> responsibility for the Nats once they handed them over to the various SIGS.
> (No complaint from me on this one.) Still and all, my feeling is that one of
> the main reasons AMA exists, as has been mentioned, is competition. In
> fact, that was one of the reasons for their founding, in 1936. Or so I see
> it.
>
> Bill Glaze
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Tony <mailto:tony at radiosouthrc.com>
>
> To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; 'General pattern discussion'
> <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 1:29 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
>
>
> John:
> It is a tough crowd!! LOL.
>
>
>
> Bill:
> I am a big Competition fan and will support competition to the end.
> However, I am just about the only one left on the council that does support
> it. Many want the NATS eliminated completely.
>
>
>
> The NATS has 1st priority on field use. If a sport pilot drives up
> and wants to fly, they have to wait until competition is over. The NATS
> does not cave to sport pilots, but we should accommodate them when we can.
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA 31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
>
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>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:58 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
>
>
> Tony,
>
> And you thought I was acting mean. Tough crowd here... LOL
>
>
>
> John Pavlick
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill Glaze <billglaze at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 12:48 PM
>
> Ed: I agree. If the AMA is going to cave to those locals who are
> inconvenienced by their not having access during Nats,, perhaps the AMA
> should limit their membership to only include those locals, and eliminate
> all other "outside" activities.. I'm sure that their numbers could support
> the entire AMA and all the peripherals. Yeah, Right. (Upkeep on the site,
> etc. as well as running the general association.)
>
> Inasmuch as my only inconvenience is a good-sized hotel bill, and
> about 1600 miles (total) on my vehicle, I guess elimination of this
> "inconvenience" (the Nats) would be an asset. And, because of where I am, I
> readily recognize my "inconvenience" is a lot less than some others, who are
> coming from further.
>
> Bill Glaze
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Ed Alt
> <http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ed_alt@hotmail.com>
>
> To: 'General pattern discussion'
> <http://us.mc805.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.o
> rg>
>
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:47 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the
> Nats in 2010?
>
>
>
> I wish to register a complaint. What form do I sign? :-)
> The AMA site is inconveniently located for my normal weekend practice. Why
> are my dues supporting a tiny fraction of AMA membership to have access to a
> flying site that I can't drive to easily? In other words, who cares about
> the complaints of the locals. It's OUR site and the vocal minority have
> exclusive access for the rest of the year. Tough noogies.
>
>
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:36 AM
> To: NSRCA Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
>
>
>
> It really isn't just about cutting costs either. It is also about other AMA
> membership complaining about the site not being available for their use. You
> would not believe the number of complaints AMA has had about the AMA site
> being tied up. That is why the overall Nats at the site has been shortened
> in length.
>
> If you are on 72, better plan on moving over to SS in the future. I've heard
> rumours that the AMA has been considering making the AMA site SS only in the
> future.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:57:16 -0700
> From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
>
> This is really funny. They want to bring the nats to 2 weeks to cut costs. I
> am sure they make money the way it is. Take this for what it is, heresay,
> but I heard that the members of the club were complaining that the nats
> takes too much of their time away from their field for them to fly. Wasn't
> the field built for a localized nats site? And I'm pretty sure we all paid
> for it. The ama will lose out if they go to a 2 weeks nats IMO. Wait till
> they see entry's decline.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:55 PM
>
> That is a possibility also. AMA is thinking about returning the NATS to a 2
> week all-events NATS like used to be done. If all events are together, HQ
> can put all costs into one effort. If they are all split up, Each group
> would have more costs to deal with due to the fact that HQ can't send a
> group of people to every site.
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA 31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tim Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:39 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
>
>
>
> It was done, It was called NPAC
>
>
>
> Tim
>
> --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in
> 2010?
> To: " General pattern discussion "
> <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:06 PM
>
> Why not allow the SIGS to do their own thing? IMAC and NSRCA do not need to
> share a site. The LSF can find a site for the soaring NATS. Pylon knows what
> venues work for them and so on. FF can do their own thing as well. Why tie
> soaring and FF together and so on??
>
>
> Tony wrote:
>
> Matt:
> Yes, it is just difficult to tell if it is actually feasible. The problem
> is that it requires a large site for Pattern/Pylon/IMAC and will require
> another large site for Soaring/Outdoor FF. It may be very difficult to
> actually find places that can handle this group.
>
>
>
>
>
> Tony Stillman, President
>
> Radio South, Inc.
>
> 139 Altama Connector, Box 322
>
> Brunswick, GA 31525
>
> 1-800-962-7802
>
> www.radiosouthrc.com <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/>
>
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