[NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

Fri Jul 31 08:08:24 AKDT 2009

Sport fliers don't require HQ to set up turn-around poles and provide
equipment for the contest.  They don't require staff to check people in and
verify them.  They don't have to pay to have a CD and other help flown in
and put up for a week to 10 days and get a rental car..  Do you really need
me to say more?  

Sport fliers have paid dues just like any other AMA member, and when they
drive up from Colorado, they want to fly at the AMA National site.  Do you
blame them?  I think they have a right to do that.  When events are
scheduled, the events come first, but they can always wait around and fly
when the event is over for the day.  

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA  31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 10:43 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

I had to cancel at the last minute so I didn't even go and I let them keep
my $$$. So there! LOL

OK so if they lose money on the NATs where people pay entry fees, how does
it make sense to allot less time for the NATs so that the site is open to
sport pilots who don't pay an entry fee?

John Pavlick

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
wrote:

From: krishlan fitzsimmons <homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 10:21 AM

The nats fee could double IMO. It's the smallest part of cost for my nats
trip. I hate to see the ama lose money on the deal.  Heck, I doubled mine
this year anyway to help out, lol.. Yeah, that's why I did it. 

Chris 

--- On Fri, 7/31/09, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 6:44 AM

This just show me how much misinformation is out there.  I am on the AMA
Executive Council.  There has been a concern about the NATS for a long time.
The AMA site is there for major events, not local events.  The NATS, IRCHA,
XFC and others are the type of events that showcase modeling and are what we
want to use the site for.  Many members that attend the NATS have expressed
a desire to move the NATS around.  The council is considering this, and is
looking into how it could be done.  Many want to see the NATS as a group
event like it was 20 years ago.  That may not be possible as finding a site
with everything you need is very difficult in today's world.  

If the NATS does not move and more major events are added, some local events
may not be held at the site any longer due to time restraints.  If a weekend
is open, anyone can schedule something there.  A local club event or even
something like the D4-D5 shootout is welcome, as long as dates are
available.

AMA looses money on the NATS.  That is not really a big issue, as
competition is part of the mission of AMA.  However, HQ does get a lot of
flack from non-competitors about them subsidizing competition with their
dues.  Lower number recently in NATS total attendance is another concern.
Pattern is one of the bright spots at the NATS, but other events are not
doing nearly as well as pattern.  Awarding someone a National Champion label
is hard to feel good about when there were only 3 people competing..  

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA   31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Joe Lachowski
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 8:36 AM
To: NSRCA Discussion List
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

It really isn't just about cutting costs either. It is also about other AMA
membership complaining about the site not being available for their use. You
would not believe the number of complaints AMA has had about the AMA site
being tied up. That is why the overall Nats at the site has been shortened
in length. 

If you are on 72, better plan on moving over to SS in the future. I've heard
rumours that the AMA has been considering making the AMA site SS only in the
future.

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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:57:16 -0700
From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

This is really funny. They want to bring the nats to 2 weeks to cut costs. I
am sure they make money the way it is. Take this for what it is, heresay,
but  I heard that the members of the club were complaining that the nats
takes too much of their time away from their field for them to fly. Wasn't
the field built for a localized nats site? And I'm pretty sure we all paid
for it. The ama will lose out if they go to a 2 weeks nats IMO. Wait till
they see entry's decline. 

Chris 

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com> wrote:

From: Tony <tony at radiosouthrc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
To: "' General pattern discussion '" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:55 PM

That is a possibility also.  AMA is thinking about returning the NATS to a 2
week all-events NATS like used to be done.  If all events are together, HQ
can put all costs into one effort.  If they are all split up, Each group
would have more costs to deal with due to the fact that HQ can't send a
group of people to every site.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA   31525

1-800-962-7802

www.radiosouthrc.com

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Tim Taylor
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:39 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?

It was done, It was called NPAC

Tim

--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net> wrote:

From: Bill's Email <wemodels at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Flash Poll - Relocate the Nats in 2010?
To: " General pattern discussion " <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 2:06 PM

Why not allow the SIGS to do their own thing? IMAC and NSRCA do not need to
share a site. The LSF can find a site for the soaring NATS. Pylon knows what
venues work for them and so on. FF can do their own thing as well. Why tie
soaring and FF together and so on??

Tony wrote: 

Matt:
Yes, it is just difficult to tell if it is actually feasible.  The problem
is that it requires a large site for Pattern/Pylon/IMAC and will require
another large site for Soaring/Outdoor FF.  It may be very difficult to
actually find places that can handle this group.

Tony Stillman, President

Radio South, Inc.

139 Altama Connector, Box 322

Brunswick, GA   31525

 1-800-962-7802 

 <http://www.radiosouthrc.com/> www.radiosouthrc.com

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