[NSRCA-discussion] *SPAM* Re:Electric/IC ...wasArmingPlug/ReceptacleProblem

Matthew Frederick mjfrederick at cox.net
Tue Feb 10 19:53:26 AKST 2009


I had a 140 DZ do that when it plowed into the base of a tree...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] *SPAM* Re:Electric/IC 
...wasArmingPlug/ReceptacleProblem


> Oh yeah?!!  I once watched a guy turn my Hanno Special .61 into a  pile of 
> aluminum and steel shards in 0.1 seconds at the end of a  screaming dive 
> (it was me screaming) into a concrete road.
>
> Ron
>
> On Feb 10, 2009, at 8:11 PM, Atwood, Mark wrote:
>
>> HA!  I once built an OS Hanno .61 from nothing but twist ties and 
>> refashioned pull tabs from old cans of coke in the porta john and 
>> finished 6 minutes before I started.  Runs like an engine.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- 
>> discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Frederick
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:26 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: *SPAM* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...wasArmingPlug/ 
>> ReceptacleProblem
>>
>>
>>
>> Hahaha... Maybe for those who don't know how to maintain their own 
>> engines... Me, I just choose not to loan money to the in-laws. I've  been 
>> running 140 DZ's and FZ's for 3 years now with no problems  whatsoever. I 
>> even assembled a complete 140 FZ at the field in 20  minutes using spare 
>> parts a friend gave me... back-flipped to start  on the very first try, 
>> runs like a top.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Keith Hoard
>>
>> To: General pattern discussion
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:02 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...wasArmingPlug/ 
>> ReceptacleProblem
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't look at a YS engine as an investment . . . more like the  "loan" 
>> you make to one of your in-laws who "promises" to pay you  back . . .
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net>  wrote:
>>
>> Matt - I disagree with part of your statement #1.  I like electrics  and 
>> I love the smell of burning nitro too.
>>
>> One of my fondest memories is going to contests up in Ohio,  Michigan and 
>> Indiana with Don Lowe in his old Pontiac station  wagon, which had the 
>> aroma of castor oil, that came from the fuel  that had dripped on and 
>> seeped into the carpet in the back.
>>
>> I totally agree with #2.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 10, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Matthew Frederick wrote:
>>
>> I'm afraid I must take issue with two of your statements:
>> 1) I'm not afraid of electric, I just don't like it. Part of what I  like 
>> about the hobby is the engines, I love the smell of burning  nitro in the 
>> morning, smells like victory
>> 2) There's no such thing as too many YS engines to those who like them
>>
>> Matt
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Ferrell" 
>> <johnferrell at earthlink.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was ArmingPlug/ 
>> ReceptacleProblem
>>
>> It is an interesting question for sure...
>> Can you think of any other form of aviation where empty weight is  more 
>> important that Gross or take off weight?
>> Of course one cannot blame the IC fans for being afraid of electric 
>> technology.
>>
>> Personally, the bad news is that the new knee joints I had  installed 
>> last year are not permitting me to squat or kneel. It is  tough to deal 
>> with tending an IC powered airplane with that  limitation.
>> The good news is that electrics do not appear to require the  operator to 
>> squat/kneel.
>>
>> Unfortunately there remains the problem of recovering the  investment of 
>> too many YS engines and the accompanying airplanes...
>>
>> John Ferrell  W8CCW
>>
>> "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to  do 
>> nothing." -- Edmund Burke
>> http://DixieNC.US
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" <vanputte at cox.net>
>> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 5:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming Plug/ 
>> ReceptacleProblem
>>
>> I beg to differ.  The rules are already slanted to favor IC: the  way 
>> the airplanes are weighed.  IC airplanes are weighed without  fuel; 
>> electric airplanes are weighed with fuel (batteries) and  both may no 
>> more than 5 kilograms.  OMG, here we go again!
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 3:54 PM, James Oddino wrote:
>>
>> I've been at this longer than most and have known from the   beginning 
>> that the propulsion system is the key to winning in   Pattern 
>> competition. It can also be the most frustrating due to   constantly 
>> changing conditions.  I found that the gas engines with   spark ignition 
>> were a lot more consistent than glow and that   reduced the frustration. 
>> I have more recently convinced myself   that electric is the least 
>> frustrating.  A few folks have gone  back  to glow after playing with 
>> electric to get more power for  windy  conditions.  We are now getting 
>> close to getting more than  enough  out of electric systems (3 to 4 HP?) 
>> and when that happens  we won't  have these discussions anymore. However, 
>> before that  happens, the  rules will probably be changed to favor IC.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Jerry Voth wrote:
>>
>> I've been lurking for a long time and after reading all the things  that 
>> one needs to do to successfully fly electric, it makes one   wonder how 
>> things would be if electrics were the norm from the   beginning of 
>> powered R/C models. It might go like this;
>>
>> Hey guys, I just bought this little IC engine and I tried it on   one of 
>> my Pattern models and it works really well. "Look what it   will do;
>> 1. It has just as much power as our electric motors.
>> 2. The only batteries you need are for the flight pack, glow   igniter 
>> and the electric starter if you don't like to flip by hand.
>> 3. All you have to do is pump fuel into the tank, spin the engine   with 
>> the starter and fly.The tail gets a little oily, but what the   heck, 
>> it's fairly easy to clean up.(Switching the radio on first   is a given.)
>> 4. You don't have to haul a generator or an extra car battery   around to 
>> charge motor batteries."
>>
>> Please don't take this the wrong way. It is tongue in cheek and   just an 
>> observation. I also have too much time on my hands these   days.
>>
>> JJV
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Marshall"  <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
>> To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:50 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem
>>
>> A 100 ohm resistor may be enough to charge the caps and make the ESC
>> "active". Bad idea...
>>
>> Jay Marshall
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of  Ron  Van 
>> Putte
>> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:14 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem
>>
>> Good.  I will try it.  What wattage 100 ohm resistor?  Let's see,
>> doesn't sustained power equal voltage squared, divided by the
>> resistance?  If so, 42 squared, divided by 100 is 17.64 watts.
>> That's probably overkill, since the current surge is transitory.   How
>> about a 100 ohm, 10 watt resistor?
>>
>> Just thought of something:  With the 100 ohm resistor across the
>> arming plug receptacle, won't the ESC be on whenever the batteries
>> are plugged into the circuit?
>>
>> BTW, what about Castle Creation's statement that the "spark is your
>> friend'?
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:55 AM, James Oddino wrote:
>>
>> Put a 100 ohm resistor across the arming plug receptacle.  Then the
>> capacitors in the ESC will charge without a spark as you connect
>> the batteries.  When you connect the arming plug, no spark.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Ron Van Putte wrote:
>>
>> I have a problem which I am sure many other E-powered airplane
>> owners have that I'd like to solve.  I use an arming plug to
>> connect the two 5S Lipo packs to the ESC.  On initial contact of
>> the arming plug with the receptacle, there's a big spark thrown.
>> Eventually the contacts on the arming plug and receptacle get
>> burned to the point where the electrical contact is very bad.
>> Yesterday I had to land my airplane deadstick because (I think)
>> the ESC saw what it thought was low voltage out of the battery
>> that was actually due to the burned arming plug/receptacle
>> contacts.  BTW, I am using high-amp Anderson Power Pole
>> connectors, which are probably more susceptible to having the
>> contacts burned than would Deans Ultra connectors.
>>
>> I have thought about putting a BIG capacitor in parallel with the
>> arming plug, that would damp the initial current surge which
>> causes the spark.  The capacitor could be removed before flight.
>> However, I'm wondering if there's a more elegant solution.
>>
>> Ron Van Putte
>>
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