[NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem

Vicente "Vince" Bortone vicenterc at comcast.net
Mon Feb 9 17:53:31 AKST 2009



I agree more after flying the new master schedule last Saturday.  



Vicente "Vince" Bortone 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Strickland" <pamrich47 at hotmail.com> 
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 4:02:59 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central 
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming Plug/Receptacle        Problem 

The rules already favor IC--but we've been down that road... 
RS 
  
> From: joddino at socal.rr.com 
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org 
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 13:54:18 -0800 
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric/IC ...was Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem 
> 
> I've been at this longer than most and have known from the beginning 
> that the propulsion system is the key to winning in Pattern 
> competition. It can also be the most frustrating due to constantly 
> changing conditions. I found that the gas engines with spark ignition 
> were a lot more consistent than glow and that reduced the 
> frustration. I have more recently convinced myself that electric is 
> the least frustrating. A few folks have gone back to glow after 
> playing with electric to get more power for windy conditions. We are 
> now getting close to getting more than enough out of electric systems 
> (3 to 4 HP?) and when that happens we won't have these discussions 
> anymore. However, before that happens, the rules will probably be 
> changed to favor IC. 
> 
> Jim 
> 
> 
> On Feb 9, 2009, at 12:39 PM, Jerry Voth wrote: 
> 
> > I've been lurking for a long time and after reading all the things 
> > that one needs to do to successfully fly electric, it makes one 
> > wonder how things would be if electrics were the norm from the 
> > beginning of powered R/C models. It might go like this; 
> > 
> > Hey guys, I just bought this little IC engine and I tried it on one 
> > of my Pattern models and it works really well. "Look what it will do; 
> > 1. It has just as much power as our electric motors. 
> > 2. The only batteries you need are for the flight pack, glow igniter 
> > and the electric starter if you don't like to flip by hand. 
> > 3. All you have to do is pump fuel into the tank, spin the engine 
> > with the starter and fly.The tail gets a little oily, but what the 
> > heck, it's fairly easy to clean up.(Switching the radio on first is 
> > a given.) 
> > 4. You don't have to haul a generator or an extra car battery around 
> > to charge motor batteries." 
> > 
> > Please don't take this the wrong way. It is tongue in cheek and just 
> > an observation. I also have too much time on my hands these days. 
> > 
> > JJV 
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Marshall" 
> > <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> 
> > To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> 
> > Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:50 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem 
> > 
> > 
> >> A 100 ohm resistor may be enough to charge the caps and make the ESC 
> >> "active". Bad idea... 
> >> 
> >> Jay Marshall 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message----- 
> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
> >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron 
> >> Van Putte 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 1:14 PM 
> >> To: General pattern discussion 
> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Arming Plug/Receptacle Problem 
> >> 
> >> Good. I will try it. What wattage 100 ohm resistor? Let's see, 
> >> doesn't sustained power equal voltage squared, divided by the 
> >> resistance? If so, 42 squared, divided by 100 is 17.64 watts. 
> >> That's probably overkill, since the current surge is transitory. How 
> >> about a 100 ohm, 10 watt resistor? 
> >> 
> >> Just thought of something: With the 100 ohm resistor across the 
> >> arming plug receptacle, won't the ESC be on whenever the batteries 
> >> are plugged into the circuit? 
> >> 
> >> BTW, what about Castle Creation's statement that the "spark is your 
> >> friend'? 
> >> 
> >> Ron 
> >> 
> >> On Feb 9, 2009, at 11:55 AM, James Oddino wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Put a 100 ohm resistor across the arming plug receptacle. Then the 
> >>> capacitors in the ESC will charge without a spark as you connect 
> >>> the batteries. When you connect the arming plug, no spark. 
> >>> 
> >>> Jim 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Feb 9, 2009, at 8:08 AM, Ron Van Putte wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>>> I have a problem which I am sure many other E-powered airplane 
> >>>> owners have that I'd like to solve. I use an arming plug to 
> >>>> connect the two 5S Lipo packs to the ESC. On initial contact of 
> >>>> the arming plug with the receptacle, there's a big spark thrown. 
> >>>> Eventually the contacts on the arming plug and receptacle get 
> >>>> burned to the point where the electrical contact is very bad. 
> >>>> Yesterday I had to land my airplane deadstick because (I think) 
> >>>> the ESC saw what it thought was low voltage out of the battery 
> >>>> that was actually due to the burned arming plug/receptacle 
> >>>> contacts. BTW, I am using high-amp Anderson Power Pole 
> >>>> connectors, which are probably more susceptible to having the 
> >>>> contacts burned than would Deans Ultra connectors. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> I have thought about putting a BIG capacitor in parallel with the 
> >>>> arming plug, that would damp the initial current surge which 
> >>>> causes the spark. The capacitor could be removed before flight. 
> >>>> However, I'm wondering if there's a more elegant solution. 
> >>>> 
> >>>> Ron Van Putte 
> >>>> 
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