[NSRCA-discussion] Unknows

[Chuck Hochhalter]

Very Well put Keith.

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From: "Keith Black" <tkeithblack at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 5:45 PM
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Unknows

> MATT: << My concern isn't with judges with routinely judge F3A and Masters
> Finals....these folks have a pretty good grasp on judging nuances in
> general, which include unknown sequences (in F3A anyway). BUT can the
> same be said for the everyday folks...>>
>
> Matt, could the less experienced judges handle unknowns? I'm sure it would 
> be challenging initially, but so is judging the advanced pattern when you’re 
> an intermediate pilot. We all got thrown in the deep end and had to swim 
> the first time we judged, so why not try it? In fact, it could be argued 
> that practicing judging unknowns starting as an intermediate pilot would 
> better prepare more people to be capable judges for FAI NATS. Also, 
> unknowns beginning with advanced (or masters) would better prepared pilots 
> to represent the USA at international contests.
>
> Here's a parallel, the FAI guys rarely flew the finals pattern at local 
> contests until just two years ago. In fact, at the 2006 NATS I talked to 
> some guys that made the semi-finals that had NEVER flown through the 
> finals pattern at all. Then (at least here in D6) FAI began flying finals 
> on Sunday. Imagine how much more prepared they are for both NATS and for 
> the Worlds after flying F all season long. The same goes for unknowns!
>
> I think flying unknowns (at least Advanced and/or Masters) would be very 
> beneficial to pattern by 1) making it more interesting, 2) better 
> separating the best pilot, 3) improving our flying skills and 4) better 
> grooming young pilots for international competition.
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of 
> rcmaster199 at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:34 AM
> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
>
> Unknowns are a fair idea. Most of us long timers in the sport have
> flown most maneuvers in the book and could execute an unknown sequence
> reasonably well if we had a caller who was on the ball.
>
> The main problem I see with unknowns is judging them correctly. My
> concern isn't with judges with routinely judge F3A and Masters
> Finals....these folks have a pretty good grasp on judging nuances in
> general, which include unknown sequences (in F3A anyway). BUT can the
> same be said for the everyday folks who attend the contests to fly and
> are also tapped to judge? I'm not so sure.
>
> MattK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jtkeiser at comcast.net
> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:19 am
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
>
> Well, just think Ron, now all your competitors would be doing the same
> - at least for one flight. Doesn't that seem more fair?
>
>
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ron Van Putte" &lt;vanputte at cox.net&gt;
> To: "General pattern discussion"
> &lt;nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org&gt;
> Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:16:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
>
> I'm in the Master class and I fly unknowns all the time.  Just ask my
> caller, John Fuqua, and he'll tell you that I rarely know what's next.
>
> Ron VP
>
> On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Vicente=2
> 0Vince Bortone wrote:
> &gt; I also fly AMA pattern and IMAC when there is a contest close to
> &gt; Kansas City.  I wish that I could fly IAC.  Yes, it will be
> &gt; interesting to add unknowns to pattern.  In IMAC the class that
> &gt; does not fly unknowns is basic.  All the rest fly unknowns.
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