[NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment

[Woodward, Jim (US SSA)]

My experience in flying and judging unknowns, locally and at a Nats, is this:

In order to adequately judge unknowns you should have a scribe and an aresti-caller.  This person is experienced and reads ahead the elements of each maneuver so you as a judge can stay watching the maneuver and right on queue.  

If you put this in practice like we do in the SE IMAC region, judging the unknowns is not a problem, and rarely more of a problem that typical known round judging.

However, I disagree with your assessment about experienced pilots being able to execute an unknown if only the caller is on the ball.  Flying unknown sequences is a skill that is undeveloped in pattern pilots.  On paper it looks simple enough, but in execution, it is totally different animal.  I can name pilots either way that fly so-so knowns, then fly better unknowns, and pilots that fly GREAT knowns, and lose focus on unknowns.... (the first "skill" that needs nourishment is the ability to truly listen and fly exactly what the caller says and when.  Memorizing an unknown then flying it, is not a practice often used with the IMAC guys.)

Thanks,
Jim
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:34 AM
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Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment

Unknowns are a fair idea. Most of us long timers in the sport have 
flown most maneuvers in the book and could execute an unknown sequence 
reasonably well if we had a caller who was on the ball.

The main problem I see with unknowns is judging them correctly. My 
concern isn't with judges with routinely judge F3A and Masters 
Finals....these folks have a pretty good grasp on judging nuances in 
general, which include unknown sequences (in F3A anyway). BUT can the 
same be said for the everyday folks who attend the contests to fly and 
are also tapped to judge? I'm not so sure.

MattK

-----Original Message-----
From: jtkeiser at comcast.net
To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 11:19 am
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment

Well, just think Ron, now all your competitors would be doing the same 
- at least for one flight. Doesn't that seem more fair?

 

Jack

 


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Van Putte" &lt;vanputte at cox.net&gt;
To: "General pattern discussion" 
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Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 11:16:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada 
Eastern
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment

I'm in the Master class and I fly unknowns all the time.  Just ask my  
caller, John Fuqua, and he'll tell you that I rarely know what's next.

Ron VP

On Feb 4, 2009, at 9:57 AM, Vicente=2
0Vince Bortone wrote:
&gt; I also fly AMA pattern and IMAC when there is a contest close to  
&gt; Kansas City.  I wish that I could fly IAC.  Yes, it will be  
&gt; interesting to add unknowns to pattern.  In IMAC the class that  
&gt; does not fly unknowns is basic.  All the rest fly unknowns.
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