[NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment

[Doug Cronkhite]

Jason already tried flying whole turned away from the flight line  
once.. Didn't work out so well..

:D

Doug

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On Feb 2, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "ORLANDO  FRETS" <ojfrets at earthlink.net>  
wrote:

> Jason:
> We'll allow you to fly as long as you face away from the runway--you  
> may use
> a mirror, maybe.
>
>
> Orlando Frets
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J Shu
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 4:05 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
>
> Why not have pilots that wish to move back a class submit a request to
> (who?) and then that person contact some pilots in the area to find  
> out the
> scoop if it should be allowed or not.
>
> I would allow myself to move back to Advanced... I really should...  
> oops, I
> can...hehehehe.
>
> Regards,
> Jason
> www.shulmanaviation.com
> www.composite-arf.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Atwood" <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>;  
> "Tom
> Simes" <simestd at netexpress.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 3:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Mandatory Advancment
>
>
> Just one of the MANY scenarios that supports just having a guideline
> approach.  I like the data that PACSS will have, but again, let's  
> use it to
> advise people where they best fit, not force them.
>
> I don't know of many trophy hounds that are so UN competitive that  
> they
> would fly beneath themselves just for a plaque.  I'm sure they  
> exist...but
> I'm also sure they have other more serious problems in life than me  
> worrying
> about making them "move up".  lol
>
>
> On 2/2/09 3:43 PM, "Tom Simes" <simestd at netexpress.com> wrote:
>
>> Mark Atwood wrote:
>>> I¹m coming in very late to this discussion, but regardless of th 
>>> e system,
> I
>>> really think the primary change needs to be that instead of ANY  
>>> mandatory
>>> system, we change the key word to be ³Guideline²...meaning it¹s a
> guideline
>>> for when to move, but not a fast rule.  This is pattern...a  
>>> hobby.  Yes,
> a
>>> competitive one, but there¹s no huge money riding on it (certain 
>>> ly not at
>>> the levels that are subjected to this) and there will always be  
>>> valid
>>> exceptions that no system can take into account.  So while we can  
>>> and
> should
>>> work on improving the advancement system to be as accurate as  
>>> possible, I
>>> will likely submit a proposal that simply changes the existing  
>>> system to
> be
>>> a guideline, rather than mandatory.
>>>
>>> I personally think that fixes almost everything. (well...with  
>>> regard to
>>> pattern advancement). :)
>>>
>>> -Mark
>>
>> In PACSS, Gene already has the underpinnings built and working for
>> national results reporting.  I'm not advocating one way or another,
>> just throwing out a data point that one of the hardest parts to
>> coordinate is already in place.
>>
>> With regard to mandatory advancement, one aspect that I think  
>> deserves
>> careful attention is how to handle people getting back into pattern
>> after an absence or people who have reached a point in their lives
>> where their skills are in decline for one reason or another.
>>
>> It's sad to see a competitor who progressed into the higher ranks
>> years ago and feels obligated to stay there but whose skills are
>> obviously not adequate for the class anymore.  If mandatory
>> advancement is being considered, there should also be a mechanism to
>> move downward as well - instead of just leaving the hobby.
>
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