[NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?
J N Hiller
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Sun Feb 1 16:30:07 AKST 2009
If we don't express our wishes to our district contest board member before
they vote (both times) we need to accept their judgment.
Jim Hiller
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Tim Taylor
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 5:20 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?
I've felt for decades now that the "Contest board" was an outdated way of
doing business. On more than one occasion I've seen the Contest board voted
contrary to the wishes of the represented of the district. Given the fast
communication we have today there is Zero reason for a contest board to have
the final says so in our sport. I for one would like to see it disbanded
entirely and replaced with a popular vote.
Tim
--- On Sun, 2/1/09, John Fuqua <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com> wrote:
From: John Fuqua <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?
To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Sunday, February 1, 2009, 7:59 PM
Matt
AMA is not giving up rule making “responsibility” to NSRCA (SIG). However
AMA does look to the SIGs (NSRCA) to take the lead on promoting (and at the
Nats for example running) their sport. Giving NSRCA the responsibility for
schedules is no more, nor less than the responsibility that IMAC has had for
a long time now. And remember they will have to be published on the AMA
website to become official. The only thing given up is the vote by the AMA
RC Aerobatics Contest Board and the 2 year cycle for schedule changes. I
might point out that all the schedules we have had for the last 3 or 4 maybe
5 rules cycles have been those proposed by NSRCA.
I do not see any evidence that NSRCA has been a negative factor in Pattern.
NSRCA has matured along the way just as IMAC has. I remember back about 10
or so years when IMAC was totally screwed up. East coast vs West coast
factions, different rules and with no one speaking for the organization.
Fortunately they finally elected good leadership and it took off. NSRCA
has never had those problems at least as long as I have been on the Contest
Board. Sure we have had our “personality” issues but that is the nature of
volunteer organizations.
I also would like to mention that the AMA RC Aerobatics Contest Board
members are also NSRCA members who, in my experience, wish to work with
NSRCA to enhance our avocation.
John
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Frederick
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 3:11 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?
It may very well be in pattern's interest that the NSRCA remain healthy, but
I am my own driving force. I don't fly to win the district championship, and
I don't attend the Nats at this point. Before the NSRCA came around, there
were still AMA rules for pattern. Contests were held. I could make an
argument that the NSRCA in it's current form is the reason that pattern
stuggles. I'm not saying that, but evidence exists to support the claim. I
tried to go read the history of the NSRCA to find out exactly what year the
organization was formed, but the link to the NSRCA history article is not
working. All I know is when I first started in pattern in 1990, the NSRCA
was hardly around, and I frequently attended contests with 40 - 50
contestants.
I've been holding my thoughts on this, but I think it needs to be said: the
thought of the AMA allowing the NSRCA to make changes to schedules or rules
without going through the AMA rules process scares me. Although I have been
an NSRCA member for 2 years, I never once felt that the NSRCA leadership was
really looking out for my interests. If the rules proposal comes up to allow
the NSRCA to have that level of control, I will vehemently oppose it with
the AMA, and encourage all of my friends to do the same.
Matt
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From: Ed Alt <mailto:ed_alt at hotmail.com>
To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?
Matt:
Probably the most important thing to understand about supporting the SIG
that promotes your interests in Precision Aerobatics before the AMA. It is
also the case that the majority of contests are being organized and run by
NSRCA members, as are judging clinics, championship point systems and year
end awards. I don't want to make this long winded, but NSRCA is the
driving force behind what we do in Pattern, so on that basis alone it is in
your interest as a Pattern competitor to see it maintain a healthy status.
Ed
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From: Matthew Frederick <mailto:mjfrederick at cox.net>
To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 01, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?
All very good points. I too have not renewed yet this year because being a
member was not of much value to me. The main reason I was a member was to
get the K-Factor. 3 times last year I did not get my copy in the mail.
Furthermore, as pointed out below, the internet has eliminated the need to
post contest results in the district columns. Nothing wrong with a narrative
about the contest, but wasting space with pictures and results that have
already been perused by those who care on the internet is just that, a
waste. I know how much we struggle for content, but it's a waste of the
organization's money to print 34 pages of stuff nobody really needs to read
again.
Matt
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From: davidmichael1 at comcast.net <mailto:davidmichael1 at comcast.net>
To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?
Some good discussion today. Hope I can add a different perspective. I
joined NSRCA last year- part way through the year- with the plan to begin
flying some pattern (I flew one pattern contest and six IMAC). I still plan
on flying in a couple pattern contests this year and in the future.
I tend to agree that pattern and IMAC are just different- but it's still
precision aerobatics at its heart. Having said that I think that the IMAC
guys have been much more active in promoting their cause and making sure
that the organization gives value back for the membership. I also agree
that IMAC has the real advantage of high end money events (TOC, Masters,
Tuscon Shootout and now Clover Creek) but this is kind of a chicken and egg
thing- is IMAC big because of the events or is it the other way around? And
there is no discounting the value of having so many IMAC planes of all sizes
available on the market right now- but again, why is that? More people like
them.
Having said all this, I do believe NSRCA can improve, raise visibility, its
value and membership if it wants to. I do not mean any of the following to
offend or belittle the work that has been done by NSRCA officers or
volunteers- but I think it is worth saying that what NSRCA membership
offers, the K-Factor and the website- the big three marketing vehicles- is
not where it needs to be anymore.
1) I haven't yet re-joined NSRCA- if I do it will be just to support the
organization, so the question in my mind is "is it worth joining?" After
trying it out, my perception is that the value, to me, of an NSRCA
membership is not that great. I understand that the organization provides
new sequences every few years and a voice with the AMA- but what else? Part
of growing an organization is merchandising what you have done for its
members. I may be missing the value- so I say advertise what NSRCA
membership offers- if it's not enough then the NSRCA needs to figure out how
to fix that.
2) I know now that it is plainly stated but I have to mention that I didn't
like that the membership ended at the end of the year- I didn't get a full
year out of my membership. I would like to see memberships end on the one
year anniversary- not the calendar year. By the way, when I sign into the
IMAC site it says what my membership is good through and I can print out a
membership card anytime.
3) Honestly, I see the K-Factor as "old news" by the time I get it. These
days the expectation is to get news instantly- for example contest results
or articles. With sites like RCU and Flying Giants, you can even get
mid-contest results after the first day. The IMAC site, by comparison,
provides quick updates on contests results and an archive of past contests.
4) I think the NSRCA website needs to be more robust and be updated more
frequently if it is intended to attract and keep members. I thank all who
have and are working on the site now- but I am struggling to find a way to
say this without offending or being ungrateful- so I'll just say it- take a
look at the IMAC site and compare: www.mini-iac.com
<http://www.mini-iac.com/>
5) For what it's worth I would like to see new sequences every year and
unknowns. I mentioned this about a year ago on this same list and the
majority of responses were against unknowns. If I recall correctly there
were many who felt that they wouldn't want to have an unknown decide their
placing. To me, sequences that change annually and being able to fly an
unknown is a true indicator of your flying skills- as opposed to just
getting good at a set of manuevers that you have been flying for 2-3 years
over and over again.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Romano" <anthonyr105 at hotmail.com>
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 10:15:29 AM GMT -05:00 US / Canada Eastern
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Why did you join the NSRCA?
Lots of interesting discussion here but not a lot of solutions. Maybe a
survey of the membership as to why they join the NSRCA.
What is the value of the K-factor to the members? What is the draw of the
K-factor to our advertisers?
Maybe even the more fundamental question of why are we drawn to pattern
over the other various R/C disciplines now available. Knowing your customer
is the key to making a sale.
For me I was drawn to the sleek airplanes and the elusive grace and
smoothness of a pattern flight. Nothing gives me the same satisfaction of
the Zen of that effortless great round.
As for the NSRCA I join to support pattern and help the efforts of all the
people who work so hard to make these events happen.
Anthony
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