[NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

[Dave Burton]

Lots do fly the older designs. What's the most prevalent plane I see at my local contest? Answer - A Focus!

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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Atwood, Mark
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 6:02 PM
To: 'nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Arch is correct. If those on top fly bigger (and they would) everyone WOULD follow. If people don't believe that, they simply need to ask why they're not flying the MYRIAD of good planes that are less volume and easily make weight.  Aka 5yr old designs. Or better, 110 size. 

-mark 
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Sent: Fri Dec 11 18:01:22 2009
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

Arch, you may be right on this, but I wonder how many pattern flyers would do this. Seems to me that cheaper 2 M mono planes could be available without the carbon fiber/Kevlar/titanium/aluminum expensive stuff we use today to get under 11 lbs. How big can you make a 2 meter plane within the 2 meter box. So what if gas engines could be used. Probably would be cheaper than the YS 170 CDI in use today. I could certainly use the under $200.00 AXI 5330  FAI rather than the $500+ Pletty. 

I dont know if the rules proposal has much merit or not, but I wanted to get it on the table for consideration.

Dave Burton

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:30 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

 

Very simple statement.  Open your checkbook if this passes.  Big 2 meter bipes will be the norm.  YS will come out with a 50CC size engine that blows away other gas or Nitro setups, and much bigger, more powerful electric setups to remain competitive.  People thing this would reduce the cost, it will do exactly the opposite.  You are right Dave, there is no competitive advantage to a plane of the size we are flying now being 11 1/2lbs, but be able to build a 13lb bipe with unlimited power and watch what happens.

 

Arch

 

 

From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bill Glaze
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:16 PM
To: jpavlick at idseng.com; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

 

Yep!  I've got a G-62 laying around here that I have no use for--until now.

Bill

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	From: John Pavlick <mailto:jpavlick at idseng.com>  

	To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>  

	Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:47 PM

	Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes

	 

		Excellent! Looks like I can finally build a gas-powered biplane. LOL

	 

	John Pavlick
	
	--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net> wrote:

		
		From: Dave Burton <burtona at atmc.net>
		Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight limit in AMA classes
		To: "'General pattern discussion'" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
		Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 4:38 PM

		I have submitted a rules proposal to completely eliminate the 11 lb. Weight
		limit in AMA pattern classes. (proposal 11-11).
		I'd like to see some discussion on the pros and cons of this proposal on the
		NSRCA e-mail list and the Pattern forum.
		
		My reasons for submitting the proposal include the following points:
		
		1. There is no competitive advantage to a heavier plane with the 2 meter
		size constraint (in fact I'd argue a heavier plane is usually at a
		disadvantage and perhaps a minimum weight makes more sense than a maximum)
		2. The 2 meter size constraint is sufficient keep the weight of pattern
		planes to reasonable limits.
		3. The fact that AMA class planes are weighed only at the US Nationals gives
		proof that the rule is not now enforced and not needed.
		4. The 11 lb. Weight limit drives up the cost of pattern planes through the
		necessary use of more expensive high tech materials. (If you don't believe
		"light weight" cost a lot of money ask the people who race sail boats)
		5. Removing the weight limit will reduce the manpower and cost associated
		with running the Nationals And also perhaps increase participation.
		
		OK, guys, what do you think?
		What other "pro" and "con" points?
		Dave Burton
		
		
		
		
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