[NSRCA-discussion] Spreading the word

[J N Hiller]

Ops I guess I wasn't specific enough. AMA VP He has a monthly column in the
back OF Model Aviation which all members get at least most of the time. One
of the problem we have is many contests are not sanctioned soon enough to
get listed in MA. Another problem is the AMA listing of competition events
"Radio Control Aerobatics" No mention of the more commonly used term
"Pattern". And yes I also meet RC modelers both old and new that are unaware
that pattern is "still flown" or know absolutely nothing about it. At one
time new club members were exposed to many different competition events
fellow club members participated in. In my club I was the only Pattern and
Scale competitor for many years. Most have grown old and don't compete any
more or participate in fun or float fly activities only. The Pylon and
Soaring competitors have separated although some retain multiple club
membership.
Reading MA over a period of time will expose new members to most of the
different competition disciplines once they become aware of the AMA and
become a member (many don't). The bottom line is we need to sell it and I'm
as guilty as anyone for not promoting pattern.
Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Lisa n Larry
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 9:01 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Spreading the word

Ahhh Jim.

You make my point in your post.

Your assumption is that folks know where to look and get the info.Not
so.Your response also assumes that you know how to find the DVP to e-mail or
call.

Perhaps I knew these things but was too lazy to pick up a phone or send an
e-mail????

I did call the District VP once I figured out that NSRCA was Pattern.I may
be a bit dense because this only took about three years.

I've been flying RC since 1985 on and off. I watched a young Chip Hyde fly
in an 80's pattern contest.I wanted to get into pattern since that day.

I retired from the USN and found my self in Southern Indiana.Everyone I
talked to at three major clubs gave me blank looks when I asked about
Pattern.

My opinion is that it hasn't changed. Although, everyone that sees me at the
flying field knows I fly pattern albeit not well.

If we as the NSRCA believe we are visible and easy to find, how is it that
on RCU newbies keep asking how to get started.What is Pattern.Where are the
contests..??? I mean.All this can be found on the NSRCA website right????

You say the NSRCA VP was at your first contest.If someone doesn't know where
the contests are, how do they get there to be offered a membership?

We must keep an open mind and never assume, we are easy to find.

Larry Diamond



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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:29 PM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Spreading the word

Yes, we are nearly invisible, however a phone call or e-mail to the district
VP would likely have gotten you connected as well as a heads-up on district
contests. AMA exists to serve it's members. The NSRCA was represented at the
first contest I went to somewhere around 1980 and I was offered membership.
Sorry I'm not more sympatric.
Jim H

-----Original Message-----
From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Lisa n Larry
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 6:04 PM
To: 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Spreading the word

Michael H.

That is a harsh statement and I strongly disagree with the message.

I searched for 3 years knowing that Pattern existed.Found Pattern links and
still took about 3 more years of practicing by myself before I finally
stumbled across a link to a NSRCA VP (Tom Weedon) at the time.He got me in
touch with Steve Maxwell and Jeff Hughes in Central Indiana.Couple of great
ambassadors for Pattern.

I knew pattern existed.I knew nothing of NSRCA.

Do not be so short sighted to think one can go onto the AMA site and find
it.If you know it's there, it's easy.

I consider myself to be above average intelligence, except when I do
something stupid.

It hurt both IMAC and Pattern when the AMA Magazine started alternating
articles.I used to look forward to Eric articles...Now I'm just turned off
by the AMA's approach to both and don't really care or look for it.Pretty
sad.

To my knowledge, I'm the only one active in Pattern (very part time) in
Southern Indiana area. The next closest is about 2 hours away that I'm aware
of.

Larry Diamond


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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of michael s
harrison
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 11:00 AM
To: jpavlick at idseng.com; 'General pattern discussion'
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Spreading the word

I believe the mother needs to get involved in a club.  Needs to accept a
little of the accountability.


From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:19 AM
To: General pattern discussion
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Spreading the word

Larry's message brings back a point I've been trying to make for quite a
while. Regarding the letter that he received from the boy's mother:

"We are having a very difficult time finding anyone with any knowledge about
pattern flying. We are very limited because we have never become involved in
any type of flying club."

It sounds like this kid would be a perfect candidate for a new Pattern
pilot! Somehow he found out about "F3P" but NOT Pattern in general. How is
that possible? When we start the discussions about "Growing Pattern" and
everyone wanders off to find the solutions such as "make the sequences
easier", "eliminate the weight requirement", etc. please try to remember
this message. :)

John Pavlick


--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> wrote:

From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com>
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Question? F3P competitions.
To: "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 10:36 AM
I had this email forwarded to me, I thought I would post it here in case
anyone would like to help this young guy out. He is located in Greenville,
SC.

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, rclarry at aol.com <rclarry at aol.com> wrote:

From: rclarry at aol.com <rclarry at aol.com>
Subject: Re: Question?
To: chatwkat1 at aol.com
Cc: smaragdz at bellsouth.net, bob at toprudder.com
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 9:57 AM
Hey Kathy,
  I haven't flown pattern for many years, and only at lower levels then. So
I'm not that familiar with the requirements/rules now. But,,,,,   I do think
I can put you in touch with a couple of guys who can. One of which is a
fellow club member Bob Richards who had a very successful pattern career in
years past. He has returned to to R/C in recent years and he and his son
Matt have competed in IMAC together( pattern competition with giant scale
models) with good success. Bob may still have some good points of contact in
the pattern scene who could help your son Patrick. I'll forward this e-mail
to Bob.
  Also, I am forwarding this to Horizon Hobby Team Member Ryan Smith of
Greensboro NC. Ryan is very active in the pattern scene now and I'm sure he
would be more than willing to offer advice or help to your son. Ryan has
been very successful in pattern, and currently involved on a world team
level that is competing for the USA team now. Another great guy in our sport
who I feel could help you and your son. Hope this helps. If you have any
questions you feel I may help out with, feel free to call me.

Larry Lewis
 919-231-4983  home
 919-215-3946  cell


-----Original Message-----
From: chatwkat1 at aol.com
To: rclarry at aol.com
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2009 8:22 pm
Subject: Question?
Mr. Larry Lewis;
I am writing on behalf of my son Patrick Frost age 17. He attends High
School in Greenville, SC. While searching for some information on remote
control flying I found your event "Children's Charity Fly-in" and found your
name. Sir I hope you don't mind me contacting you and I will try to get to
the point of my contacting you. Patrick has become interested in flying F3P.
He flies, electric motor planes and is a good pilot. We are having a very
difficult time finding anyone with any knowledge about pattern flying. We
are very limited because we have never become involved in any type of flying
club. The High School Patrick attends requires what they call a Senior
Project in which the student picks a project to explore and report on at the
end of eight months. My question to you is simply can you help us with a
name or any information on F3P at this point anything and I do mean anything
would be greatly appreciated and highly valued! If he does not come up with
someone to talk to in the next few days he is going to have to choose a
different topic which would be very disapointing.
I sincerely thank you for your time!
Kathy Frost
864-963-0592
864-201-2312


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