[NSRCA-discussion] New Vehicle

Sun Aug 16 14:53:26 AKDT 2009

We no longer manufacture much. Only thing we do is make weapons. 

Orlando Frets

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jeffghughes at comcast.net
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You miss my point. I'm just saying It's a long chain of money from the
customer to the automaker to the supply base. When GM and Ford sell a car,
the majority of the money goes to their suppliers. These suppliers make a
profit also, and a lot of those parts are coming from overseas.  Just
because it says TRW and it's an american company, doesn't mean it's made in
the states or the taxes are paid in the states. Nothing is as straight
forward as it seems.  I dont' like it either. I have never bought a
"foreign" car. (Though I think my chrysler minivan was made in Canada) . I
do feel that a car is the most expensive consumer item you buy and you ought
to try to keep as much of the money here as you can. We've already lost our
television manufacturing, and home appliances are almost gone (whirlpool is
still headquarted in Michigan, but they don't mfg there). Steel, foundries,
almost gone. I don't think our country can survive without a strong
manufacturing base and from a pinnacle just after WW2,  it's been down hill
ever since. 

----- Original Message -----
From: "Phil Spelt" <chuenkan at comcast.net>
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:30:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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Content, Schmontent -- where do the profits, and the taxes on them, go???
Japan or Korea...or Germany, or China, etc.  GM and Ford profits got to
"Detroit" and corporate taxes to Washington and Ann Arbor.   Don't know
what's going to happen to any "profits" from Chrysler.

I am also not happy about the CFC U.S. tax dollars going to Toyota and Honda
-- but what do *I* know???

At 11:12 AM 8/15/2009, you wrote:

	An automotive assembly plant does not add much content to a car, all
the money is in the components and all the car manufacturers chase the
components to the lowest cost producer, which right now is places like
china, india and brazil. We get our blocks from brazil, cranks from India
and push rods and valves from China. I started at GM in '73 and watched them
go from the southern strategy where they built components down south (non
union) and then things got cheaper in Mexico so we shut down plants in SC to
move to mexico. THen it became even more global with Brazil getting into the
act, then finally india and china. I currently work for a diesel engine mfg
and we get 19Liter blocks from brazil and 30L blocks from Germany to be
machined here inthe US. THe Japanese car companies brought their supply base
over  here (NTN, Aisen, etc) when they set up assembly plants, so it
wouldn't surprise me that they have cars with more US content than GM or
Ford. 

	----- Original Message -----
	From: "Jay Marshall" <lightfoot at sc.rr.com>
	To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
	Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:25:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
Eastern
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	There was an article published recently concerning the top 10 USA
content automobiles. Toyota was three of them as I recall.

	Jay Marshall 
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<mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> ] On Behalf Of Bob
Richards
	Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 8:35 PM
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	My wife and I bought a Honda Element a few years ago (2004) and I
remember looking at the information about where it was built. It was
something like 65% components from North America. The CRV, which had the
same drive train and engine, was 65% Asia or Japan (don't remember).

	I did some EMC testing for a manufacturer that made components for
Ford. Some of their stuff was made here, some in China, some in Europe. They
design a component that may be used in several, if not all, models, and
might be made anywhere in the world.

	It wasn't too long ago that the ONLY manufacturer that could legally
say their cars were 100% made in the USA was Saturn, but I'll bet that has
changed, too.

	Bob R.

	--- On Fri, 8/14/09, mike mueller <mups1953 at yahoo.com> wrote:

		Phil don't you think that the nations attached to most cars
is kind of muddled? I mean Honda, Nissan and Toyota make a lot of cars here
in the US employing a lot of Americans. Ford makes a lot of their cars in
Mexico and Canada and South America. Stock holders own car company's up
until recently with the Chrysler/ GM debacle. Stock holders from Asia own
stock in American companies and American's own stock in Toyota and Honda.
Chrysler is now owned by Fiat an Italian company. Mazda is 40% owned by Ford
and the list goes on and on. I'm not usre what makes sense anymore. Mike

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