[NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing

[Derek Koopowitz]

I've already volunteered to do the weighin... plus a couple of others have
asked to help as well.  I don't see this as a burden on me or any of the
contestants - they should expect it.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Chris Moon <cjm767driver at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I think we are making this more difficult than necessary (not aimed at
> anyone in particular - I just jumped in on Chris's response). We go through
> the process of weighing the potential winners and finalists already - why
> not just mandate that the officials APPLY the rule that already exists. No
> lee way or interpretation necessary. Why weigh and measure if we are going
> to say "oh never mind, that's ok" when they fail inspection.  If they had
> applied the existing rule, this discussion would not be going on.  To
> implement a new procedure (weighing all at check in) is going to need a
> bunch of extra help to do and do we really want to have somebody inventory
> EVERY item on the plane too in order to ensure they don't change props,
> wheels, rx battery, etc after inspection?  Who is going to volunteer to do
> that to 100+ airplanes? The current way has worked just fine and would still
> be fine IF THE RULE AS IT EXISTS WAS APPLIED.  Simple.  Let's not make an
> overly elaborate witch hunt in response to what happened.
>
> Chris (the other one)
>
>
> krishlan fitzsimmons wrote:
>
>   Where do they weigh at a worlds event? Outside in the wind?
>
> Just curious.
>
> Thx!
>
> *Chris *
>
>
>
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 8/3/09, dkrev at shaw.ca <dkrev at shaw.ca> <dkrev at shaw.ca>* wrote:
>
>
> From: dkrev at shaw.ca <dkrev at shaw.ca> <dkrev at shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing
> To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org><nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Date: Monday, August 3, 2009, 12:30 PM
>
> We got weighed after each round at the worlds..... Just saying :-)
> Sent from Dave's Crackberry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Fuqua <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=johnfuqua@embarqmail.com>
> >
>
> Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 13:35:25
> To: 'General pattern discussion'<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org<http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion@lists.nsrca.org>
> >
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing
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>
> Better be prepared to weigh 4 or 5 sets of batteries with each competitor
> as
> well as airplanes.
>
> That's the thing with glow.  Only dry weight counts.  You can load as much
> fuel as you wish to any weight!  Electric stuck at a fixed max T.O. Weight.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org<http://mc/compose?to=nsrca-discussion-bounces@lists.nsrca.org>]
> On Behalf Of Derek
> Koopowitz
> Sent: Monday, August 03, 2009 12:37 PM
> To: General pattern discussion
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Inspection & Weighing
>
> I don't see an issue with this... we will put a sticker on all items
> including all packs that a competitor will use.  If a competitor really
> wants to cheat then they will do it... nothing we can do will stop that.
> I'm also hoping that random inspections will keep people honest and the
> fear
> that if you do fail then you will be disqualified.
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com<http://mc/compose?to=lightfoot@sc.rr.com>>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>     I have some concern that the proposals put forward will really work.
> If the plane is inspected at check-in then there is too much opportunity to
> change things. In particular, batteries, which are a normally removable
> item, can be changed to decrease on increase the weight. Do we "sticker"
> the
> battery pack? This means the plane must be disassembled for inspection and
> that only that battery pack can be used. At present fuel tanks can also be
> under/over filled to adjust ballast for windy conditions.
>
>
>
>     If this is a serious problem, perhaps there are other solutions.
>
>
>
>     Planes could be placed in an impound/inspection area immediately
> before a flight and fully fueled. The inspection could happen here and
> shouldn't delay the flow of the contest.
>
>
>
>     Another possibility is to adopt a "standard" weight for a battery
> pack, then weigh electric planes empty. The "standard" could change as
> technology changes.
>
>
>
>     As John Pavlick will tell you, all major race winners undergo a
> teardown and inspection.
>
>     Jay Marshall
>
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