From edbon85 at tds.net Wed Oct 1 03:50:21 2008 From: edbon85 at tds.net (Ed Miller) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:50:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale........Everything References: <20080930180040.KKRZ2.126521.root@Web01> Message-ID: <50C8C32ABB044DF8A4D8564BCB7D1A00@millertoy> After several months of debating, I have decided to try and divest myself of the RC Hobby entirely. Several factors have played into this decision, most notably is the loss of passion for the sport. I've been in this sport for 40+ years and can honestly say I have "stuff" that dates back that far right up to present. Much of the "stuff" is of the pattern slant but there is also sport plane and RC cars and equipment. Everything I have is current and usable today. Conservative estimate at over the good guy prices there is in excess of $30K worth of RC equipment, planes, kits, tools etc. My ideal situation is an individual or several individuals buy everything in one transaction, every nut, bolt, servo, plane, etc. I don't need the money and should I sell out of the hobby I will most likely split it amongst my 2 sons. At this time I am not interested in "cherry pickers". Should I decide to sell each item to the highest bidder one at a time I am quite capable of doing that using various outlets such as, swap meets, RCU, Craiglist, Ebay ( I'm flht99b on Ebay. Just off the top of my head here are a few highlighted examples of what I have : Radios: Futaba 14mz, Futaba 12zap, Futaba 4 FM, Kraft series 80 7ch, Futaba and Aitronics car radios RTF planes: EMC2, 120 size Balsa Nova, Great planes Rapture, Goldberg Cub, Easy Fly 40 trainer, The Nickster, YAK 54 electric ( 3s 2200mah size ), etc. Partially completed planes: Terry Brox framed Symphony, 2 - original Bridi Kaos, World Models SPA Intruder, Ikon W'st Monocoupe D145, Lou Perretti Fokker V29, etc. NIB engines: Lazer 200 V Twin, YS 160DZ, YS 120AC, OS 91 Surpass, 2 ST 60 Blueheads, 2 - OS 61 SF, ST 23, Clarence Lee PDP K&B .61, OS 45 FSR and more. Used engines: 2 - OS Special Edition 61 FSR's, several ST 60 Blueheads, ST 23, K&B 6.5 FIRE and more. Kits; Tiger Tail, 2 - Dirty Birdy's, Cutlass Supreme, Compensator, Kraft Warlord 40, Bridi 15-50, Hanson EMC and more. There is contest Balsa, Plans, 50+ rolls of mostly pre EPA Monokote, 2 - Alpha 4 chargers, ThunderPower 1010C and 210V charger/balancer, Iota power supply, over 20 NIB Futaba and JR coreless and Digital servos, 7 Futaba G3 receivers, 2 Futaba R319DPS receivers. Therre are both power and hand tools of every kind imaginable. Tuned pipes ( aluminum and Carbon Fiber ) , CF landing gears, wheel pants, just about every hardware piece every sold by the likes of Rocket City, Dubro, etc. K&B Superpoxy paints, PPG paints, decals, Flight line equipment, etc. I have 30+ gallons of fuel, mostly 30% with some 20% and 3 gallons of 10%. There hasn't been a hobby shop I have visited that can compete with all the stuff I accumulated. All I can say is if you are local to the southeast, you'd have to see it all to believe it. If you have a geniune interest I can be reached at 865-824-9429. Ed Miller. From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Wed Oct 1 03:57:32 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 11:57:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale........Everything In-Reply-To: <50C8C32ABB044DF8A4D8564BCB7D1A00@millertoy> Message-ID: <9D249C93449F4FE9839F283AA08D285E@jaysdesktop> Where are you located Ed? Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Miller Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:50 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale........Everything After several months of debating, I have decided to try and divest myself of the RC Hobby entirely. Several factors have played into this decision, most notably is the loss of passion for the sport. I've been in this sport for 40+ years and can honestly say I have "stuff" that dates back that far right up to present. Much of the "stuff" is of the pattern slant but there is also sport plane and RC cars and equipment. Everything I have is current and usable today. Conservative estimate at over the good guy prices there is in excess of $30K worth of RC equipment, planes, kits, tools etc. My ideal situation is an individual or several individuals buy everything in one transaction, every nut, bolt, servo, plane, etc. I don't need the money and should I sell out of the hobby I will most likely split it amongst my 2 sons. At this time I am not interested in "cherry pickers". Should I decide to sell each item to the highest bidder one at a time I am quite capable of doing that using various outlets such as, swap meets, RCU, Craiglist, Ebay ( I'm flht99b on Ebay. Just off the top of my head here are a few highlighted examples of what I have : Radios: Futaba 14mz, Futaba 12zap, Futaba 4 FM, Kraft series 80 7ch, Futaba and Aitronics car radios RTF planes: EMC2, 120 size Balsa Nova, Great planes Rapture, Goldberg Cub, Easy Fly 40 trainer, The Nickster, YAK 54 electric ( 3s 2200mah size ), etc. Partially completed planes: Terry Brox framed Symphony, 2 - original Bridi Kaos, World Models SPA Intruder, Ikon W'st Monocoupe D145, Lou Perretti Fokker V29, etc. NIB engines: Lazer 200 V Twin, YS 160DZ, YS 120AC, OS 91 Surpass, 2 ST 60 Blueheads, 2 - OS 61 SF, ST 23, Clarence Lee PDP K&B .61, OS 45 FSR and more. Used engines: 2 - OS Special Edition 61 FSR's, several ST 60 Blueheads, ST 23, K&B 6.5 FIRE and more. Kits; Tiger Tail, 2 - Dirty Birdy's, Cutlass Supreme, Compensator, Kraft Warlord 40, Bridi 15-50, Hanson EMC and more. There is contest Balsa, Plans, 50+ rolls of mostly pre EPA Monokote, 2 - Alpha 4 chargers, ThunderPower 1010C and 210V charger/balancer, Iota power supply, over 20 NIB Futaba and JR coreless and Digital servos, 7 Futaba G3 receivers, 2 Futaba R319DPS receivers. Therre are both power and hand tools of every kind imaginable. Tuned pipes ( aluminum and Carbon Fiber ) , CF landing gears, wheel pants, just about every hardware piece every sold by the likes of Rocket City, Dubro, etc. K&B Superpoxy paints, PPG paints, decals, Flight line equipment, etc. I have 30+ gallons of fuel, mostly 30% with some 20% and 3 gallons of 10%. There hasn't been a hobby shop I have visited that can compete with all the stuff I accumulated. All I can say is if you are local to the southeast, you'd have to see it all to believe it. If you have a geniune interest I can be reached at 865-824-9429. Ed Miller. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From humptybump at sbcglobal.net Wed Oct 1 07:38:30 2008 From: humptybump at sbcglobal.net (Richard Lewis) Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2008 15:38:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale........Everything Message-ID: <681339.63094.qm@web83105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Mike McGraw here in the houston area has a business called GCBM and he buys entire RC estates as part of that business.... ? Richard ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Miller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2008 6:50:13 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale........Everything After several months of debating, I have decided to try and divest myself of the RC Hobby entirely. Several factors have played into this decision, most notably is the loss of passion for the sport.? I've been in this sport for 40+ years and can honestly say I have "stuff" that dates back that far right up to present.? Much of the "stuff" is of the pattern slant but there is also sport plane and RC cars and equipment.? Everything I have is current and usable today.? Conservative estimate at over the good guy prices there is in excess of $30K worth of RC equipment, planes, kits, tools etc.? My ideal situation is an individual or several individuals buy everything in one transaction, every nut, bolt, servo, plane, etc.? I don't need the money and should I sell out of the hobby I will most likely split it amongst my 2 sons.? At this time I am not interested in "cherry pickers".? Should I decide to sell each item to the highest bidder one at a time I am quite capable of doing that using various outlets such as, swap meets, RCU, Craiglist, Ebay ( I'm flht99b on Ebay. Just off the top of my head here are a few highlighted examples of what I have : Radios: Futaba 14mz, Futaba 12zap, Futaba 4 FM, Kraft series 80 7ch, Futaba and Aitronics car radios RTF planes: EMC2, 120 size Balsa Nova, Great planes Rapture, Goldberg Cub, Easy Fly 40 trainer, The Nickster, YAK 54 electric ( 3s 2200mah size ), etc. Partially completed planes: Terry Brox framed Symphony, 2 - original Bridi Kaos, World Models SPA Intruder, Ikon W'st Monocoupe D145, Lou Perretti Fokker V29, etc. NIB engines: Lazer 200 V Twin, YS 160DZ, YS 120AC, OS 91 Surpass, 2 ST 60 Blueheads, 2 - OS 61 SF, ST 23, Clarence Lee PDP K&B .61, OS 45 FSR and more. Used engines: 2 - OS? Special Edition 61 FSR's, several ST 60 Blueheads, ST 23, K&B 6.5 FIRE and more. Kits; Tiger Tail, 2 - Dirty Birdy's, Cutlass Supreme, Compensator, Kraft Warlord 40, Bridi 15-50, Hanson EMC and more. There is contest Balsa, Plans, 50+ rolls of mostly pre EPA Monokote, 2 - Alpha 4 chargers, ThunderPower 1010C and 210V charger/balancer, Iota power supply, over 20 NIB Futaba and JR coreless and Digital servos, 7 Futaba G3 receivers, 2 Futaba R319DPS receivers. Therre are both power and hand tools of every kind imaginable. Tuned pipes ( aluminum and Carbon Fiber ) , CF landing gears, wheel pants, just about every hardware piece every sold by the likes of Rocket City, Dubro, etc. K&B Superpoxy paints, PPG paints, decals, Flight line equipment, etc.? I have? 30+ gallons of fuel, mostly 30% with some 20% and 3 gallons of 10%. There hasn't been a hobby shop I have visited that can compete with all the stuff I accumulated.? All I can say is if you are local to the southeast, you'd have to see it all to believe it. If you have a geniune interest I can be reached at 865-824-9429.? 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It's been pretty quiet and my delete button is feeling left out... lol Rex From: pcosky at comcast.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:43:29 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test 3,2,1 got it ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex To: NSRCA-discussion Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:42 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jnhiller at earthlink.net Thu Oct 2 08:09:07 2008 From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:09:07 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AM To: NSRCA-discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Thu Oct 2 08:25:37 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:25:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) In-Reply-To: References: <008201c924a5$9e9505a0$16440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <20081002082533.4e4e1850.simestd@netexpress.com> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:50:00 -0700 Rex wrote: > I thought maybe the list was deserted..... It's been pretty > quiet and my delete button is feeling left out... lol > > Rex Folks, if you feel the need to test the list, why not think of a question to throw out? Since the building season will soon be upon us, I'd to start up a discussion on shop tips. What have you discovered or implemented lately that really has improved your efficiency, organization or safety in the shop? Dust/fume control? Lighting? Storage? Tool/work stations? Easy ways to make very flat work areas? Limited space solutions? Toys to keep the cats occupied and out of the balsa? Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From jlkonn at hotmail.com Thu Oct 2 08:26:15 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:26:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Troy Newmann Message-ID: Troy, If you read this would you please email me off list. I have a radio question and I don't think I have your current address. Thanks! JLK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trexlesh at msn.com Thu Oct 2 09:16:42 2008 From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:16:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning. Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guesses are right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to really test it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex From: jnhiller at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AMTo: NSRCA-discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at koolsoft.com Thu Oct 2 09:31:56 2008 From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:31:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Troy Newmann In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, His email address is troy at troynewman.net . - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:26 AM To: Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Troy Newmann Troy, If you read this would you please email me off list. I have a radio question and I don't think I have your current address. Thanks! JLK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patternpilot at verizon.net Thu Oct 2 09:42:14 2008 From: patternpilot at verizon.net (Dennis Cone) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 17:42:14 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6039D43A58924CD2B0084949BCE25D85@Dennis> A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the duct tape that's holding on that pesky canopy. :-) Den _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning. Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guesses are right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to really test it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex _____ From: jnhiller at earthlink.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Rex Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AM To: NSRCA-discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trexlesh at msn.com Thu Oct 2 10:31:18 2008 From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 18:31:18 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: <6039D43A58924CD2B0084949BCE25D85@Dennis> References: <6039D43A58924CD2B0084949BCE25D85@Dennis> Message-ID: LOL Ya, I learned a valuable lesson from the whole ordeal... It only took a week to find the canopy. After I got it home, I realized that the latch pin didn't fit the mating hole very good at all, and the pin wasn't going all the way forward. Once I fixed both of those issues, the canopy actually stays on. Imagine that! Rex From: patternpilot at verizon.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:42:09 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the duct tape that?s holding on that pesky canopy. J Den From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning.Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guessesare right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to reallytest it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex From: jnhiller at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AMTo: NSRCA-discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drykert2 at rochester.rr.com Thu Oct 2 11:45:32 2008 From: drykert2 at rochester.rr.com (Del) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 19:45:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) References: <008201c924a5$9e9505a0$16440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> <20081002082533.4e4e1850.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <96E573E84BED4696929ADB9B4871D659@ownerayn17ov1d> Someone actually lets cats into the "MAN/WOMEN" cave.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 12:25 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 08:50:00 -0700 > Rex wrote: > >> I thought maybe the list was deserted..... It's been pretty >> quiet and my delete button is feeling left out... lol >> >> Rex > > Folks, if you feel the need to test the list, why not think > of a question to throw out? > > Since the building season will soon be upon us, I'd to start up a > discussion on shop tips. What have you discovered or implemented lately > that really has improved your efficiency, organization or safety in the > shop? > > Dust/fume control? Lighting? Storage? Tool/work stations? Easy ways > to make very flat work areas? Limited space solutions? Toys to keep > the cats occupied and out of the balsa? > > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. 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URL: From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 2 13:32:21 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:32:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: References: <6039D43A58924CD2B0084949BCE25D85@Dennis> Message-ID: Still looking for one of mine and a 5S1P battery out in the woods.... Another hard (read expensive) lesson learned... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:31:16 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test LOL Ya, I learned a valuable lesson from the whole ordeal... It only took a week to find the canopy.After I got it home, I realized that the latch pin didn't fit the mating hole very good at all, and the pin wasn't going all the way forward. Once I fixed both of those issues, the canopy actually stays on. Imagine that! Rex From: patternpilot at verizon.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:42:09 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the duct tape that?s holding on that pesky canopy. J Den From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning.Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guessesare right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to reallytest it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex From: jnhiller at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AMTo: NSRCA-discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Thu Oct 2 13:53:03 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:53:03 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) In-Reply-To: <96E573E84BED4696929ADB9B4871D659@ownerayn17ov1d> References: <008201c924a5$9e9505a0$16440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> <20081002082533.4e4e1850.simestd@netexpress.com> <96E573E84BED4696929ADB9B4871D659@ownerayn17ov1d> Message-ID: <20081002135300.7d185b6a.simestd@netexpress.com> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:45:26 -0400 "Del" wrote: > Someone actually lets cats into the "MAN/WOMEN" cave.. Cats, kids, wives... All that's necessary to enter right now is to walk between the studs in the basement - although at least for now the cats are banned from going down there. I should be thankful I HAVE a cave and am not building on the coffee table. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From trexlesh at msn.com Thu Oct 2 14:31:12 2008 From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 22:31:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: References: <6039D43A58924CD2B0084949BCE25D85@Dennis> Message-ID: I'm betting that the battery is black in color too?!!!! They should be some fluorescent color! Rex a.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:18 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Still looking for one of mine and a 5S1P battery out in the woods....Another hard (read expensive) lesson learned... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:31:16 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test LOL Ya, I learned a valuable lesson from the whole ordeal... It only took a week to find the canopy.After I got it home, I realized that the latch pin didn't fit the mating hole very good at all, and the pin wasn't going all the way forward. Once I fixed both of those issues, the canopy actually stays on. Imagine that! Rex From: patternpilot at verizon.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:42:09 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the duct tape that?s holding on that pesky canopy. J Den From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning.Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guessesare right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to reallytest it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex From: jnhiller at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AMTo: NSRCA-discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcosky at comcast.net Thu Oct 2 15:02:43 2008 From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky) Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:02:43 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) References: <008201c924a5$9e9505a0$16440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com><20081002082533.4e4e1850.simestd@netexpress.com><96E573E84BED4696929ADB9B4871D659@ownerayn17ov1d> <20081002135300.7d185b6a.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <002901c924e2$f74b3600$08440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Get some drywall up. My basement is mostly studded up and has been that way for a few years, but I made sure I walled in the workshop. I told my wife it was a safety measure, didn't want any hazardous fumes getting out. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) > On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:45:26 -0400 > "Del" wrote: > >> Someone actually lets cats into the "MAN/WOMEN" cave.. > > Cats, kids, wives... All that's necessary to enter right now is to walk > between the studs in the basement - although at least for now the cats > are banned from going down there. I should be thankful I HAVE a cave > and am not building on the coffee table. > > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's > sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B > > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ====================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 2 16:00:42 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:00:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: References: <6039D43A58924CD2B0084949BCE25D85@Dennis> Message-ID: You won that bet. Brian at Tanic has replaced a few cells here and there and on non Tanic stuff he still puts on a nice white wrapper with a "NOT TANIC" label. The one ejected on the 45 degree inverted neg snap was one of FMAs earlier units that was still hanging in with--you already guessed it--a nice black shrink-wrapped cover.... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:31:09 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test I'm betting that the battery is black in color too?!!!! They should be some fluorescent color! Rex a.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:18 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Still looking for one of mine and a 5S1P battery out in the woods....Another hard (read expensive) lesson learned... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:31:16 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test LOL Ya, I learned a valuable lesson from the whole ordeal... It only took a week to find the canopy.After I got it home, I realized that the latch pin didn't fit the mating hole very good at all, and the pin wasn't going all the way forward. Once I fixed both of those issues, the canopy actually stays on. Imagine that! Rex From: patternpilot at verizon.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:42:09 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the duct tape that?s holding on that pesky canopy. J Den From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning.Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guessesare right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to reallytest it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex From: jnhiller at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AMTo: NSRCA-discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trexlesh at msn.com Thu Oct 2 17:36:16 2008 From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 01:36:16 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: References: <6039D43A58924CD2B0084949BCE25D85@Dennis> Message-ID: Well, I know exactly what you mean... I found my "Black" battery pretty easy... a few years back, I lost the receiver battery connection and watched my 9 flight Impact, "IMPACT" the ground at about a 45 degree angle... the battery was easy to find, it was in the hole in the ground right in front of the big hole in the front of the plane! LOL Rex ect: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test You won that bet. Brian at Tanic has replaced a few cells here and there and on non Tanic stuff he still puts on a nice white wrapper with a "NOT TANIC" label. The one ejected on the 45 degree inverted neg snap was one of FMAs earlier units that was still hanging in with--you already guessed it--a nice black shrink-wrapped cover.... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:31:09 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test I'm betting that the battery is black in color too?!!!! They should be some fluorescent color! Rex a.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:18 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Still looking for one of mine and a 5S1P battery out in the woods....Another hard (read expensive) lesson learned... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:31:16 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test LOL Ya, I learned a valuable lesson from the whole ordeal... It only took a week to find the canopy.After I got it home, I realized that the latch pin didn't fit the mating hole very good at all, and the pin wasn't going all the way forward. Once I fixed both of those issues, the canopy actually stays on. Imagine that! Rex From: patternpilot at verizon.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:42:09 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the duct tape that?s holding on that pesky canopy. J Den From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning.Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guessesare right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to reallytest it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex From: jnhiller at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AMTo: NSRCA-discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 2 19:07:19 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:07:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Message-ID: I hate it when an airplane goes in for any reason--but it always seems to be the ones of which I am most fond. My ugly airplanes seem to last for-friggen-ever.... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:36:12 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Well, I know exactly what you mean... I found my "Black" battery pretty easy... a few years back,I lost the receiver battery connection and watched my 9 flight Impact, "IMPACT" the ground at about a 45 degree angle... the battery was easy to find, it was in the hole in the ground right in front of the big hole in the front of the plane! LOL Rex ect: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test You won that bet. Brian at Tanic has replaced a few cells here and there and on non Tanic stuff he still puts on a nice white wrapper with a "NOT TANIC" label. The one ejected on the 45 degree inverted neg snap was one of FMAs earlier units that was still hanging in with--you already guessed it--a nice black shrink-wrapped cover.... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:31:09 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test I'm betting that the battery is black in color too?!!!! They should be some fluorescent color! Rex a.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:18 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Still looking for one of mine and a 5S1P battery out in the woods....Another hard (read expensive) lesson learned... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:31:16 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test LOL Ya, I learned a valuable lesson from the whole ordeal... It only took a week to find the canopy.After I got it home, I realized that the latch pin didn't fit the mating hole very good at all, and the pin wasn't going all the way forward. Once I fixed both of those issues, the canopy actually stays on. Imagine that! Rex From: patternpilot at verizon.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:42:09 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the duct tape that?s holding on that pesky canopy. J Den From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning.Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guessesare right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to reallytest it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex From: jnhiller at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AMTo: NSRCA-discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Thu Oct 2 19:26:45 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:26:45 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6A205DCE-E668-411D-A8D2-5AD1289B63C7@cox.net> I used to agree with the last statement, but lately even my ugly airplanes have been "biting the dust". Must be Global Warming or something. Ron Van Putte On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:07 PM, Richard Strickland wrote: > I hate it when an airplane goes in for any reason--but it always > seems to be the ones of which I am most fond. My ugly airplanes > seem to last for-friggen-ever.... > RS > > > > From: trexlesh at msn.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:36:12 -0700 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > Well, I know exactly what you mean... I found my "Black" battery > pretty easy... a few years back, > I lost the receiver battery connection and watched my 9 flight > Impact, "IMPACT" the ground at > about a 45 degree angle... the battery was easy to find, it was in > the hole in the ground right in > front of the big hole in the front of the plane! LOL > > Rex > > > > > > > > > > > ect: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > You won that bet. Brian at Tanic has replaced a few cells here and > there and on non Tanic stuff he still puts on a nice white wrapper > with a "NOT TANIC" label. The one ejected on the 45 degree > inverted neg snap was one of FMAs earlier units that was still > hanging in with--you already guessed it--a nice black shrink- > wrapped cover.... > > RS > > > > > > > > From: trexlesh at msn.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:31:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > I'm betting that the battery is black in color too?!!!! > They should be some fluorescent color! > > Rex > > > > > > > > > > > > > a.org > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:18 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > Still looking for one of mine and a 5S1P battery out in the woods.... > Another hard (read expensive) lesson learned... > > RS > > > > > > > > > > > > From: trexlesh at msn.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:31:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > LOL Ya, I learned a valuable lesson from the whole ordeal... It > only took a week to find the canopy. > After I got it home, I realized that the latch pin didn't fit the > mating hole very good at all, and > the pin wasn't going all the way forward. Once I fixed both of > those issues, the canopy actually > stays on. Imagine that! > > Rex > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: patternpilot at verizon.net > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:42:09 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > > > > > > > A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the > duct tape that?s holding on that pesky canopy. J > > > Den > > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- > discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Rex > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > > No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next > job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning. > Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the > Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a > couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out > of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guesses > are right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's > so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to really > test it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. > Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm > pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a > few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. > > Rex > > > > > > From: jnhiller at earthlink.net > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > > Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying > yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't > dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters > sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is > working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to > 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on > the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is > getting back into to practicing. > > Catch you later. > > Jim > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- > discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Rex > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AM > To: NSRCA-discussion > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test > > > Testing, 1, 2, 3.... > > Rex > > > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > Learn Now > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with > Windows Live. See Now > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > Learn Now > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Ron Van Putte -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Thu Oct 2 19:43:17 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 03:43:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test In-Reply-To: <6A205DCE-E668-411D-A8D2-5AD1289B63C7@cox.net> References: <6A205DCE-E668-411D-A8D2-5AD1289B63C7@cox.net> Message-ID: A couple folks suggested it may be my A-G-E disease..... Naaaaaa.. RS From: vanputte at cox.netDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 23:26:39 -0400To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] TestI used to agree with the last statement, but lately even my ugly airplanes have been "biting the dust". Must be Global Warming or something. Ron Van Putte On Oct 2, 2008, at 11:07 PM, Richard Strickland wrote: I hate it when an airplane goes in for any reason--but it always seems to be the ones of which I am most fond. My ugly airplanes seem to last for-friggen-ever....RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 18:36:12 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] TestWell, I know exactly what you mean... I found my "Black" battery pretty easy... a few years back,I lost the receiver battery connection and watched my 9 flight Impact, "IMPACT" the ground at about a 45 degree angle... the battery was easy to find, it was in the hole in the ground right in front of the big hole in the front of the plane! LOL Rex ect: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] TestYou won that bet. Brian at Tanic has replaced a few cells here and there and on non Tanic stuff he still puts on a nice white wrapper with a "NOT TANIC" label. The one ejected on the 45 degree inverted neg snap was one of FMAs earlier units that was still hanging in with--you already guessed it--a nice black shrink-wrapped cover.... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:31:09 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] TestI'm betting that the battery is black in color too?!!!! They should be some fluorescent color! Rex a.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:32:18 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] TestStill looking for one of mine and a 5S1P battery out in the woods....Another hard (read expensive) lesson learned... RS From: trexlesh at msn.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:31:16 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] TestLOL Ya, I learned a valuable lesson from the whole ordeal... It only took a week to find the canopy.After I got it home, I realized that the latch pin didn't fit the mating hole very good at all, and the pin wasn't going all the way forward. Once I fixed both of those issues, the canopy actually stays on. Imagine that! Rex From: patternpilot at verizon.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 13:42:09 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test A couple of ounces could be lost if you could just get rid of the duct tape that?s holding on that pesky canopy. J Den From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 1:17 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test No jim... I'm not working... Waiting for a contract for the next job. Ya, it started raining here sometime early this morning.Not much, just enough to get things wet. I've gotten to fly the Twister a little. Just about have it trimmed out. Just a couple more things to play with. I've got all the down thrust out of it now and need to fly it again to see if my guessesare right. A little more incidence and it should be perfect. It's so close now, that it's going to take a bit of flying to reallytest it out. We've been having a bit too much wind for trimming. Man, you add lead and I get out the grinder! LOL Actually, I'm pretty happy with how this plane turned out. I'm under by a few ounces and could get more out of it if I need to. Rex From: jnhiller at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 09:09:13 -0700Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Hi Rex. Works here. Aren't you working? We had good flying yesterday. Looks like rain showers for the next few days. I haven't dumb thumbed out of the box yet trying to master the new masters sequence yet. Put some mixing into the #4 airplane and it is working better. I also added a half-pound of lead to bring it up to 9 pounds. The only noticeable trim change was about a half turn on the wing adjusters. Will put an OS in the #2 airplane and is getting back into to practicing. Catch you later. Jim -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of RexSent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 8:43 AMTo: NSRCA-discussionSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test Testing, 1, 2, 3.... Rex Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Ron Van Putte _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Fri Oct 3 03:59:10 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:59:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] JR 12X owners Message-ID: I'm thinking about changing from my X9303 to a 12X. Folks with a 12X out there I have a couple questions please. -Will the data transfer device that comes with the 12X allow me to copy my FocusII setup over from the X9303? -Has anyone had the back off a 12X to replace the helicopter ratchet with http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA635 (thanks Chris Moon!)? -has anyone found it necessary to replace the stick springs with HD ones to get more tension adjustment? 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Folks with a 12X out there I have a couple questions please. ? -Will the data transfer device that comes with the 12X allow me to copy my FocusII setup over from the X9303? No ? -Has anyone had the back off a 12X to replace the helicopter ratchet with http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=JRPA635 (thanks Chris Moon!)?? ? Send it back in and they'll change the springs? and the ratchet. -has anyone found it necessary to replace the stick springs with HD ones to get more tension adjustment? ? YES I've had the back off just about every Tx I've owned to replace stick springs, change ratchet engagement etc.? Does the 12X present any special difficulties when doing this? ? ? YES Thanks! JLK _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From drykert2 at rochester.rr.com Fri Oct 3 08:37:02 2008 From: drykert2 at rochester.rr.com (Del) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:37:02 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) References: <008201c924a5$9e9505a0$16440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com><20081002082533.4e4e1850.simestd@netexpress.com><96E573E84BED4696929ADB9B4871D659@ownerayn17ov1d><20081002135300.7d185b6a.simestd@netexpress.com> <002901c924e2$f74b3600$08440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <1A765E39C4D3487983B337A428F61CF9@ownerayn17ov1d> My wife keeps telling me one stud is more than enuf `~ not sure what she is referring to though.. Del ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Cosky" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) > Get some drywall up. My basement is mostly studded up and has been that way > for a few years, but I made sure I walled in the workshop. I told my wife > it was a safety measure, didn't want any hazardous fumes getting out. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Simes" > To: "General pattern discussion" > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) > > >> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:45:26 -0400 >> "Del" wrote: >> >>> Someone actually lets cats into the "MAN/WOMEN" cave.. >> >> Cats, kids, wives... All that's necessary to enter right now is to walk >> between the studs in the basement - although at least for now the cats >> are banned from going down there. I should be thankful I HAVE a cave >> and am not building on the coffee table. >> >> >> Tom >> >> ====================================================================== >> "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's >> sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B >> >> Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com >> ====================================================================== >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From timsautopro at yahoo.com Fri Oct 3 12:52:52 2008 From: timsautopro at yahoo.com (Tim Taylor) Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2008 20:52:52 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) In-Reply-To: <1A765E39C4D3487983B337A428F61CF9@ownerayn17ov1d> Message-ID: <89982.14404.qm@web62301.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Once a King always a King but once a Knight is enough. --- On Fri, 10/3/08, Del wrote: From: Del Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Friday, October 3, 2008, 12:37 PM My wife keeps telling me one stud is? more than enuf `~ not sure what she is referring to though.. ? ? ????Del ? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete Cosky" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 7:02 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) > Get some drywall up. My basement is mostly studded up and has been that way > for a few years,? but I made sure I walled in the workshop. I told my wife > it was a safety measure, didn't want any hazardous fumes getting out. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Simes" > To: "General pattern discussion" > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 5:53 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Shop tips? (was: Test) > > >> On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 15:45:26 -0400 >> "Del" wrote: >> >>> Someone actually lets cats into the "MAN/WOMEN" cave.. >> >> Cats, kids, wives...? All that's necessary to enter right now is to walk >> between the studs in the basement - although at least for now the cats >> are banned from going down there.? I should be thankful I HAVE a cave >> and am not building on the coffee table. >> >> >> Tom >> >> ====================================================================== >>?? "Z-80 system stack overflow.? Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's >>???????? sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B >> >> Tom Simes?????????????????????????????????????? simestd at netexpress.com >> ====================================================================== >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jgghome at comcast.net Fri Oct 3 18:59:47 2008 From: jgghome at comcast.net (John Gayer) Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 02:59:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling In-Reply-To: References: <452417.87652.qm@web62304.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <629039.27118.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <48A255C2.1040403@comcast.net> Message-ID: <48E6DC16.9090709@comcast.net> Forgot you replied to my email about Webra stuff. I'm still interested if the price is right John Troy Newman wrote: > John, > > contact me offline. > > I have a friend with a ton of Webra stuff. Send me a private email and > I'll hook you up with him.... > > anybody else needing some Webra stuff interested too. > > Troy > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *John > Gayer > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 12, 2008 8:32 PM > *To:* General pattern discussion > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Small Car - 2 m plane hauling > > I recently lost my Focus due to an unfortunate incident having > something to do with the radio link, most probably a disconnected > battery. I had a lot of success with this airplane using a Webra 160 > and the mixture control carburetor. > > While trying to get reorganized and back in the air, I checked on > getting parts and an additional engine. This seems to be a problem > right now as Horizon doesn't appear to carry the Webra line anymore > and noone else that I can find has picked up this fine engine line, at > least not in the larger sizes. > > So my question to the list is: is there anyone out there that has > tried Webra and moved on to other power sources that still has an > engine/parts/carbs/headers/mounts etc sitting gathering dust in the > workshop. If so, I wold love to create a little more space in your > workshop. I'm interested mainly in engines- both running or not. Also, > miscellaneous parts that you may have around as well. 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URL: From don.ramsey at suddenlink.net Sun Oct 5 15:08:54 2008 From: don.ramsey at suddenlink.net (Don Ramsey) Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:08:54 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results In-Reply-To: <2DC5CCA14756424BBBEE8B4B2E4A682F07268835@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca> References: <090320081623.17812.48BEB9EB000C4E700000459422165579960C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> <2DC5CCA14756424BBBEE8B4B2E4A682F07268835@ecburexch1.ontario.int.ec.gc.ca> Message-ID: <003101c9273f$58cb2120$0a616360$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Results for Gulf Coast Pattern Championship, Sulfur, LA is posted on http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry at buddengineering.com Mon Oct 6 11:12:50 2008 From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:12:50 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale: (2) TP-1010C Charger & TP-210V Balancer Combo $285 Shipped Message-ID: For Sale: (2) Thunder Power 1010C Chargers with TP-210V Balancers. Includes the PGM-V2 USB Programmer Set (new, unused - a $30 value). Approximately 2 years old, in excellent condition. $285 shipped to US location. Overseas/international shipping extra. Thx, Jerry Budd Engineering jerry at buddengineering.com http://www.buddengineering.com From ejhaury at comcast.net Mon Oct 6 11:30:23 2008 From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:30:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship Message-ID: <86D1883A2A8E4F9B8F00082F49E8C0EA@EarlPC> A big thank you to George Miller and the LARKS for putting on the Gulf Coast Pattern Championship this past weekend. This is a well run meet with good flying, great food, and comradery. For those not aware, the LARKS field is an excellent flying facility for pattern with all the desirable amenities (shade, parking, tables, modern restrooms, electricity). There is a little less shade after the hurricanes - but the club had everything cleaned up and ready to go. Very nice plaques were awarded and George even is having winners names engraved on their plaque if they wish. Moving this event from the heat of August to the comfort of October makes this a "must attend" meet for the gulf coast folks. Put this one on your list for next year! Earl Haury -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Mon Oct 6 11:54:33 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 19:54:33 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship In-Reply-To: <86D1883A2A8E4F9B8F00082F49E8C0EA@EarlPC> References: <86D1883A2A8E4F9B8F00082F49E8C0EA@EarlPC> Message-ID: <8CAF6046E0C6741-12A0-159A@FWM-M13.sysops.aol.com> Earl, Congrats on your F3A win. Also congrats to Don in Masters and the other winners in the lower classes. Matt -----Original Message----- From: Earl Haury To: Discussion List, NSRCA Sent: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 3:25 pm Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship A big thank you to George Miller and the LARKS for putting on the Gulf Coast Pattern Championship this past weekend. This is a well run meet with good flying, great food, and comradery. For those not aware, the LARKS field is an excellent flying facility for pattern with all the desirable amenities (shade, parking, tables, modern restrooms, electricity). There is a little less shade after the hurricanes - but the club had everything cleaned up and ready to go. Very nice plaques were awarded and George even is having winners names engraved on their plaque if they wish.?Moving this event?from the heat of August to the comfort of October?makes this a "must attend" meet for the gulf coast folks. Put this one on your list for next year! ? Earl Haury_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jerry at buddengineering.com Mon Oct 6 13:45:03 2008 From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:45:03 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test - Please Ignore Message-ID: <34829B9A-F10B-4EF9-9CD2-83EC9F30C8BF@buddengineering.com> Please Ignore. Budd Engineering jerry at buddengineering.com http://www.buddengineering.com From jerry at buddengineering.com Mon Oct 6 13:51:20 2008 From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:51:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For Sale: (2) TP-1010C Charger & TP-210V Balancer Combo $285 Shipped Message-ID: <67A7A199-FE4C-4207-80D6-F8A857AA77A6@buddengineering.com> For Sale: (2) Thunder Power 1010C Chargers with TP-210V Balancers. Includes the PGM-V2 USB Programmer Set (new, unused - a $30 value). Approximately 2 years old, in excellent condition. $285 shipped to US location. Overseas/international shipping extra. Thx, Jerry Budd Engineering jerry at buddengineering.com http://www.buddengineering.com From simestd at netexpress.com Mon Oct 6 14:04:10 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:04:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test - Please Ignore In-Reply-To: <34829B9A-F10B-4EF9-9CD2-83EC9F30C8BF@buddengineering.com> References: <34829B9A-F10B-4EF9-9CD2-83EC9F30C8BF@buddengineering.com> Message-ID: <20081006140406.1ac2afee.simestd@netexpress.com> >From Jerry: > Received: (qmail 13434 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2008 21:45:01 > -0000 Received: from 209-221-206-182.dsl.qnet.com (HELO ?10.0.1.20?) > (jerry at buddengineering.com@209.221.206.182) > by auth4.hostasaurus.com with SMTP; 6 Oct 2008 21:45:01 -0000 > Message-Id: <34829B9A-F10B-4EF9-9CD2-83EC9F30C8BF at buddengineering.com> > From: Budd Engineering > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Through the virus scanner and inbound to the list in 2 seconds: > X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV on 209.112.194.3 using ClamSMTP - Mon Oct 6 > 13:45:03 2008 -0800 (AKDT) Through the list and back outbound through the virus scanner in 14 seconds: > X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV on 209.112.194.3 using ClamSMTP - Mon Oct 6 > 13:45:17 2008 -0800 (AKDT) >From the list server to my inbox, nothing but 'Net in 1 second: > Received: from bridi.netexpress.com (bridi.netexpress.com > [209.112.194.3]) > by steelhead.netexpress.com (8.14.0/8.14.0) with ESMTP id > m96LjH4A000435 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2008 > 13:45:18 -0800 (AKDT) (envelope-from > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org) Total in-flight time, 17 seconds ;) Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From moleski at canisius.edu Mon Oct 6 14:09:53 2008 From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:09:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Test - Please Ignore In-Reply-To: <20081006140406.1ac2afee.simestd@netexpress.com> References: <34829B9A-F10B-4EF9-9CD2-83EC9F30C8BF@buddengineering.com> <20081006140406.1ac2afee.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <48EA8CAE.7020000@canisius.edu> Tom Simes wrote: > Total in-flight time, 17 seconds ;) That is, in my view, one of the finest responses to a "test--please ignore" message I've ever seen. I usually reply, "Test passed." Marty From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Mon Oct 6 14:15:09 2008 From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:15:09 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship In-Reply-To: <86D1883A2A8E4F9B8F00082F49E8C0EA@EarlPC> Message-ID: <20081006171507.CJM1J.632964.root@Web04> Thanks Earl! I hope to see everyone again next year and everybody bring a friend or two! George ---- Earl Haury wrote: ============= A big thank you to George Miller and the LARKS for putting on the Gulf Coast Pattern Championship this past weekend. This is a well run meet with good flying, great food, and comradery. For those not aware, the LARKS field is an excellent flying facility for pattern with all the desirable amenities (shade, parking, tables, modern restrooms, electricity). There is a little less shade after the hurricanes - but the club had everything cleaned up and ready to go. Very nice plaques were awarded and George even is having winners names engraved on their plaque if they wish. Moving this event from the heat of August to the comfort of October makes this a "must attend" meet for the gulf coast folks. Put this one on your list for next year! Earl Haury From mjfrederick at cox.net Mon Oct 6 14:16:49 2008 From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:16:49 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship References: <86D1883A2A8E4F9B8F00082F49E8C0EA@EarlPC> Message-ID: <7164F794BBB34CFD9EE203E798D1823D@Mattmobile> I second what Earl said. This was a great contest for me to try and get going again! Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Haury To: Discussion List, NSRCA Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship A big thank you to George Miller and the LARKS for putting on the Gulf Coast Pattern Championship this past weekend. This is a well run meet with good flying, great food, and comradery. For those not aware, the LARKS field is an excellent flying facility for pattern with all the desirable amenities (shade, parking, tables, modern restrooms, electricity). There is a little less shade after the hurricanes - but the club had everything cleaned up and ready to go. Very nice plaques were awarded and George even is having winners names engraved on their plaque if they wish. Moving this event from the heat of August to the comfort of October makes this a "must attend" meet for the gulf coast folks. Put this one on your list for next year! Earl Haury ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From humptybump at sbcglobal.net Mon Oct 6 15:43:09 2008 From: humptybump at sbcglobal.net (Richard Lewis) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:43:09 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship In-Reply-To: <20081006171507.CJM1J.632964.root@Web04> References: <86D1883A2A8E4F9B8F00082F49E8C0EA@EarlPC> <20081006171507.CJM1J.632964.root@Web04> Message-ID: <48778C45F3694E48BB45D96844BD0D34@LEWISHOME> George, Great Job by all of the LARKS (and you) as usual. Thanks for having us. That gumbo was almost as good as mine..:) Richard Lewis -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:15 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship Thanks Earl! I hope to see everyone again next year and everybody bring a friend or two! George ---- Earl Haury wrote: ============= A big thank you to George Miller and the LARKS for putting on the Gulf Coast Pattern Championship this past weekend. This is a well run meet with good flying, great food, and comradery. For those not aware, the LARKS field is an excellent flying facility for pattern with all the desirable amenities (shade, parking, tables, modern restrooms, electricity). There is a little less shade after the hurricanes - but the club had everything cleaned up and ready to go. Very nice plaques were awarded and George even is having winners names engraved on their plaque if they wish. Moving this event from the heat of August to the comfort of October makes this a "must attend" meet for the gulf coast folks. Put this one on your list for next year! Earl Haury _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Mon Oct 6 19:11:04 2008 From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:11:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship In-Reply-To: <48778C45F3694E48BB45D96844BD0D34@LEWISHOME> Message-ID: <20081006221101.71J5B.640648.root@Web04> Thanks Richard, I'm glad that you, Mark and your dad could come. It was great visiting with you and I'm looking forward to Crowley. G ---- Richard Lewis wrote: ============= George, Great Job by all of the LARKS (and you) as usual. Thanks for having us. That gumbo was almost as good as mine..:) Richard Lewis -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 5:15 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship Thanks Earl! I hope to see everyone again next year and everybody bring a friend or two! George ---- Earl Haury wrote: ============= A big thank you to George Miller and the LARKS for putting on the Gulf Coast Pattern Championship this past weekend. This is a well run meet with good flying, great food, and comradery. For those not aware, the LARKS field is an excellent flying facility for pattern with all the desirable amenities (shade, parking, tables, modern restrooms, electricity). There is a little less shade after the hurricanes - but the club had everything cleaned up and ready to go. Very nice plaques were awarded and George even is having winners names engraved on their plaque if they wish. Moving this event from the heat of August to the comfort of October makes this a "must attend" meet for the gulf coast folks. Put this one on your list for next year! Earl Haury _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1703 - Release Date: 10/2/2008 7:46 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From perkinsrx at centurytel.net Mon Oct 6 20:29:43 2008 From: perkinsrx at centurytel.net (Eddie Batchelor P.D.) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 04:29:43 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship In-Reply-To: <86D1883A2A8E4F9B8F00082F49E8C0EA@EarlPC> References: <86D1883A2A8E4F9B8F00082F49E8C0EA@EarlPC> Message-ID: I too would like to express my thanks to all who attended our contest at LARKS. I hated to leave early on Sunday and didn't get to thank everyone in person, It was great to annouce judging assignments and everyone to accept them so graciously. I want to commend George for running a great contest. Randy , deona and Amy Liprie for scoring, Nat for doing a great job judging and Hank ,Tina and other club members for the great cooking, registration and concessions. Without them we couldn't hold the event. Next year we'll have our damaged canopy repaired so everyone would have a 4'X8' work table with electric drop over each. Eddie Batchelor a fellow pattern flyer and LARKS Secretary ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Haury To: Discussion List, NSRCA Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Gulf Coast Pattern Championship A big thank you to George Miller and the LARKS for putting on the Gulf Coast Pattern Championship this past weekend. This is a well run meet with good flying, great food, and comradery. For those not aware, the LARKS field is an excellent flying facility for pattern with all the desirable amenities (shade, parking, tables, modern restrooms, electricity). There is a little less shade after the hurricanes - but the club had everything cleaned up and ready to go. Very nice plaques were awarded and George even is having winners names engraved on their plaque if they wish. Moving this event from the heat of August to the comfort of October makes this a "must attend" meet for the gulf coast folks. Put this one on your list for next year! Earl Haury ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlachow at hotmail.com Tue Oct 7 10:52:39 2008 From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski) Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2008 18:52:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Stuff For Sale (new list) Message-ID: Here is a bunch of stuff I have for sale. 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I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Hiller From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Thu Oct 9 09:14:27 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:14:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4EB296A22F6F4F83956F18878292107F@jaysdesktop> The Vanquish is a great flyer but not within the "park flyer" category. You might look at HH's Brio or the Insane Foamies from Thunder Power. Some of the latter can be flown an a basketball court. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:31 PM To: NSRCA Mailing List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Hiller _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From burtona at atmc.net Thu Oct 9 09:19:29 2008 From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:19:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004001c92a33$30ad9230$9208b690$@net> Brio 10 -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:31 PM To: NSRCA Mailing List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Hiller _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Oct 9 09:22:53 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:22:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: <4EB296A22F6F4F83956F18878292107F@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: <778082.4740.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Shock Flyer F3A: http://www.hobby-lobby.com/shockflyer-f3a.htm Fly it anywhere - outdoors on 3S - indoors on 2S. ? As long as it doesn't get too cold you'll be fine with LiPO's. Otherwise choose something that will fly on Ni batteries or warm the LiPOs up before you fly. ? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Jay Marshall wrote: From: Jay Marshall Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:14 PM The Vanquish is a great flyer but not within the "park flyer" category. You might look at HH's Brio or the Insane Foamies from Thunder Power. Some of the latter can be flown an a basketball court. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:31 PM To: NSRCA Mailing List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Hiller _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Oct 9 09:25:01 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:25:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: <004001c92a33$30ad9230$9208b690$@net> Message-ID: <700102.59706.qm@web80506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> A Brio 10 might be tricky in a really small area because they're heavy. ? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Dave Burton wrote: From: Dave Burton Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:19 PM Brio 10 -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:31 PM To: NSRCA Mailing List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Hiller _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Thu Oct 9 09:34:31 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 17:34:31 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: <778082.4740.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <4EB296A22F6F4F83956F18878292107F@jaysdesktop> <778082.4740.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081009093428.74bfc544.simestd@netexpress.com> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) John Pavlick wrote: > As long as it doesn't get too cold you'll be fine with LiPO's. > Otherwise choose something that will fly on Ni batteries or warm the > LiPOs up before you fly. ? > John Pavlick The trick to flying foamies on lipos in the cold is to insulate the packs so they retain some of the heat they generate during discharge. One or two wraps of that ~1 mm packing foam is all that's necessary. Tom - in Anchorage, where it does occasionally get cold :) ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Oct 9 10:18:20 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:18:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: <20081009093428.74bfc544.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <801258.68651.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Packing foam? Too heavy!!! LOL Actually that might be worth a try. I usually just keep the batteries in my van and then fly for a short time.? ? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Tom Simes wrote: From: Tom Simes Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:34 PM On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) John Pavlick wrote: > As long as it doesn't get too cold you'll be fine with LiPO's. > Otherwise choose something that will fly on Ni batteries or warm the > LiPOs up before you fly. ? > John Pavlick The trick to flying foamies on lipos in the cold is to insulate the packs so they retain some of the heat they generate during discharge. One or two wraps of that ~1 mm packing foam is all that's necessary. Tom - in Anchorage, where it does occasionally get cold :) ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burtona at atmc.net Thu Oct 9 10:26:39 2008 From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:26:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: <801258.68651.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081009093428.74bfc544.simestd@netexpress.com> <801258.68651.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005301c92a3c$93871e40$ba955ac0$@net> The trick in flying LiPo,s in the cold is to move South! No, No, Cancel that! From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:18 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Packing foam? Too heavy!!! LOL Actually that might be worth a try. I usually just keep the batteries in my van and then fly for a short time. John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Tom Simes wrote: From: Tom Simes Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:34 PM On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT) John Pavlick wrote: > As long as it doesn't get too cold you'll be fine with LiPO's. > Otherwise choose something that will fly on Ni batteries or warm the > LiPOs up before you fly. > John Pavlick The trick to flying foamies on lipos in the cold is to insulate the packs so they retain some of the heat they generate during discharge. One or two wraps of that ~1 mm packing foam is all that's necessary. Tom - in Anchorage, where it does occasionally get cold :) ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Thu Oct 9 10:35:49 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:35:49 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: <801258.68651.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081009093428.74bfc544.simestd@netexpress.com> <801258.68651.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081009103545.65fc83ef.simestd@netexpress.com> On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:18:17 -0700 (PDT) John Pavlick wrote: > Packing foam? Too heavy!!! LOL Actually that might be worth a try. I > usually just keep the batteries in my van and then fly for a short > time.? ? Too heavy?! I'll take 1mm packing foam wrapped lipos over NiCd packs any day! The first time I flew a foamie outside in the winter I took the pack straight out of my warm pocket, put it on the plane and the performance was so bad I though I had accidently attached a discharged pack - the flight time was less than 1/2 what I was used to. Without the insulation the packs loose heat so quickly that they can't keep themselves warm. If you're flying below freezing, try the packing foam - you'll like it. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From lagrue at hotmail.com Thu Oct 9 10:50:10 2008 From: lagrue at hotmail.com (JEREMY CHINN) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 18:50:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: <005301c92a3c$93871e40$ba955ac0$@net> References: <20081009093428.74bfc544.simestd@netexpress.com> <801258.68651.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <005301c92a3c$93871e40$ba955ac0$@net> Message-ID: No, the trick is to move indoors........ On the outdoor birds, few in that size/weight range do well. The Extremeflight, E-Flite and Aeroworks birds are all too big. I for one would not feel at all comfortable flying one in a park..... Back to the indoors idea, there are many good indoor birds for flying Indoor Pattern. A brief list below (with no bias from me as an indoor designer ;) Fancy Foam Vantage Fancy Foam Vrolet Clik Mercury Or go to the RCGroups.com F3P forum and download any of the free plans stickied at the top of the page. From: burtona at atmc.netTo: jpavlick at idseng.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 14:26:40 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier The trick in flying LiPo,s in the cold is to move South! No, No, Cancel that! From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John PavlickSent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 2:18 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Packing foam? Too heavy!!! LOL Actually that might be worth a try. I usually just keep the batteries in my van and then fly for a short time. John Pavlick--- On Thu, 10/9/08, Tom Simes wrote: From: Tom Simes Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park FlierTo: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:34 PMOn Thu, 9 Oct 2008 10:22:50 -0700 (PDT)John Pavlick wrote: > As long as it doesn't get too cold you'll be fine with LiPO's.> Otherwise choose something that will fly on Ni batteries or warm the> LiPOs up before you fly. > John Pavlick The trick to flying foamies on lipos in the cold is to insulate thepacks so they retain some of the heat they generate during discharge. One or two wraps of that ~1 mm packing foam is all that's necessary. Tom - in Anchorage, where it does occasionally get cold :) ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, thesystem's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ======================================================================_______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Oct 9 11:19:59 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 19:19:59 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: <20081009103545.65fc83ef.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <230912.94600.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You've got a point there (LiPO vs. NiMH)! Just kidding about the weight of the foam?- I'm really anal about saving weight. I'll give?the packing foam a try when it gets cold here. ? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Tom Simes wrote: From: Tom Simes Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 6:35 PM On Thu, 9 Oct 2008 11:18:17 -0700 (PDT) John Pavlick wrote: > Packing foam? Too heavy!!! LOL Actually that might be worth a try. I > usually just keep the batteries in my van and then fly for a short > time.? ? Too heavy?! I'll take 1mm packing foam wrapped lipos over NiCd packs any day! The first time I flew a foamie outside in the winter I took the pack straight out of my warm pocket, put it on the plane and the performance was so bad I though I had accidently attached a discharged pack - the flight time was less than 1/2 what I was used to. Without the insulation the packs loose heat so quickly that they can't keep themselves warm. 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Here's a question for you electric fliers.> I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the> inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of> my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but> need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and> have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable> (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier> weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment> would be appreciated.> Thanks> Jim Hiller> > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cchariandy at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 9 13:51:28 2008 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:51:28 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <201198.80610.qm@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not exactly an electric flyer, but the mini-Inspire from Fliton is not bad. It will fly?FAI-P if there is little wind and it's small, light?and slow enough for a?park the size of a couple kid size soccer feilds. ? Colin. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, J N Hiller wrote: From: J N Hiller Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:30 PM Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. 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Dwayne -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 11:31 AM To: NSRCA Mailing List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Hiller _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1716 - Release Date: 10/9/2008 9:44 AM From rctechnics at yahoo.com Thu Oct 9 14:18:40 2008 From: rctechnics at yahoo.com (Paul Hepworth) Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:18:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <247981.82062.qm@web36603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have flown a number of park flyer's i.e. QQ E-yak profile, E flite Brio, E flite Extra 260 and?Fliton AJ Extra 330.? By for the best one for Pattern is the AJ Extra.? Trimmed right it flies straight and has a very clean stall, unlike the others.? I fly both P09 and F09 from a cricket pitch 2 minutes from my house. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, J N Hiller wrote: From: J N Hiller Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "NSRCA Mailing List" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 9:30 AM Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. 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Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: colin chariandy To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier I'm not exactly an electric flyer, but the mini-Inspire from Fliton is not bad. It will fly FAI-P if there is little wind and it's small, light and slow enough for a park the size of a couple kid size soccer feilds. Colin. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, J N Hiller wrote: From: J N Hiller Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 12:30 PM Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. Thanks Jim Hiller _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ All new Yahoo! Mail - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I fly both P09 and F09 from a cricket pitch 2 minutes from my house. --- On Thu, 10/9/08, J N Hiller wrote: From: J N Hiller Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "NSRCA Mailing List" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 9:30 AM Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. 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It has an elliptical wing and I think the air falls off the wing too fast and the SFG's really made it a fun airplane to fly. It takes a 200 watt motor and 1320 3cell pack and it will fly about 10-13 minutes. Wayne Galligan ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Shock Flyer F3A: http://www.hobby-lobby.com/shockflyer-f3a.htm Fly it anywhere - outdoors on 3S - indoors on 2S. As long as it doesn't get too cold you'll be fine with LiPO's. Otherwise choose something that will fly on Ni batteries or warm the LiPOs up before you fly. John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Jay Marshall wrote: From: Jay Marshall Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 5:14 PM The Vanquish is a great flyer but not within the "park flyer" category. You might look at HH's Brio or the Insane Foamies from Thunder Power. Some of the latter can be flown an a basketball court. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of J N Hiller Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 12:31 PM To: NSRCA Mailing List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment would be appreciated. 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I went to the Futaba web site and they listed ratings at both 4.8v & 6V. Thx again. -----Original Message----- >From: adriancwong at earthlink.net >Sent: Oct 9, 2008 10:57 PM >To: General pattern discussion >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo question > >To all, > >I'm planning to replace my ail servos from Futaba 9154 to BLS 451 - brushless. In addition, replacing the rud one from 9151 to 9156. > >Both the 9154 and 9151 are rated at 4.8v, while the 451 and 9156 are rated at 6v. Since I'm using a 4 cell, 4.8v rx battery, will there be any problem on switching servos? > >Thx in advance, > >Adrian >_______________________________________________ >NSRCA-discussion mailing list >NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Fri Oct 10 04:01:20 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:01:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo question In-Reply-To: <19401456.1223620448325.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: Don't forget to check the weights. The BLS 451 are probably heavier. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of adriancwong at earthlink.net Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 2:34 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo question Never mind, guess I have found the answer. I went to the Futaba web site and they listed ratings at both 4.8v & 6V. Thx again. -----Original Message----- >From: adriancwong at earthlink.net >Sent: Oct 9, 2008 10:57 PM >To: General pattern discussion >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo question > >To all, > >I'm planning to replace my ail servos from Futaba 9154 to BLS 451 - brushless. In addition, replacing the rud one from 9151 to 9156. > >Both the 9154 and 9151 are rated at 4.8v, while the 451 and 9156 are rated at 6v. Since I'm using a 4 cell, 4.8v rx battery, will there be any problem on switching servos? > >Thx in advance, > >Adrian >_______________________________________________ >NSRCA-discussion mailing list >NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From patternrules at yahoo.com Fri Oct 10 07:52:30 2008 From: patternrules at yahoo.com (Steven Maxwell) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:52:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems Message-ID: <918385.92523.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> ?I'm not sure what has changed my server or the list but I replied to the park flyer thread and after not seeing my post checked and it went to the person that sent the reply to the thread not to the list. 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I had no idea that the batteries would actually cool excessively while in use in cold weather and need to be insulated. My flying buddy who is now learning the advanced schedule has a Brio and speaks highly of it. I will have him bring it in when he is in town and try it out. My local hobby shop owner has a ParkZone Typhoon2 3D RTF, which I also want to try. Has anyone flown pattern with the ParkZone Typhoon? Thanks Jim Hiller From jpavlick at idseng.com Fri Oct 10 09:47:50 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:47:50 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <775691.14865.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Don't know about the Typhoon 2 but I've flown Pattern with a Nexstar. It aint pretty! LOL ? You can learn inverted rudder commands with a Shocky F3a. The plane has almost no roll coupling. Take off, roll inverted (or launch it inverted like?I do) and fly inverted figure 8's using just the rudder. You'll have it down in no time. Until you do, bring some foam safe CA. You can fix just about anything on a flat foamie in about 5 minutes. Wooden airplanes are not as forgiving. :) ? John Pavlick --- On Fri, 10/10/08, J N Hiller wrote: From: J N Hiller Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment To: "NSRCA Mailing List" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 5:23 PM Good morning all. Thanks for the input. I am reviewing your replies this morning and appreciate the help. I don't want to give up on the AMA 2 pound 'Park Flier' but I probably have room to fly a larger / faster airplane. My park is a triangle about 150M on a side. Enter these coordinates 47.7647,-117.395149 in http://maps.google.com/ for an aerial view. I really want an outside airplane as I plan to just walk to the park with a couple batteries in my pocket when I get a nice day and work on inverted rudder commands. I am getting it wrong most of the time and the flight deteriorates badly. I had no idea that the batteries would actually cool excessively while in use in cold weather and need to be insulated. My flying buddy who is now learning the advanced schedule has a Brio and speaks highly of it. I will have him bring it in when he is in town and try it out. My local hobby shop owner has a ParkZone Typhoon2 3D RTF, which I also want to try. Has anyone flown pattern with the ParkZone Typhoon? Thanks Jim Hiller _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ronlock at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 09:55:56 2008 From: ronlock at comcast.net (ronlock at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:55:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment Message-ID: <101020081755.28185.48EF97230002EF8F00006E192207021053050C010402019D@comcast.net> For a small outdoor field, and light wind, the F3A is about as good a pattern bird as Ive flown for it's size, using 3s 480 or larger Lipo. Ron Lockhart -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: John Pavlick > Don't know about the Typhoon 2 but I've flown Pattern with a Nexstar. It aint > pretty! LOL > ? > You can learn inverted rudder commands with a Shocky F3a. The plane has almost > no roll coupling. Take off, roll inverted (or launch it inverted like?I do) and > fly inverted figure 8's using just the rudder. You'll have it down in no time. > Until you do, bring some foam safe CA. You can fix just about anything on a flat > foamie in about 5 minutes. Wooden airplanes are not as forgiving. :) > ? > John Pavlick > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, J N Hiller wrote: > > From: J N Hiller > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 5:23 PM > > Good morning all. Thanks for the input. > I am reviewing your replies this morning and appreciate the help. I don't > want to give up on the AMA 2 pound 'Park Flier' but I probably have > room to > fly a larger / faster airplane. My park is a triangle about 150M on a side. > Enter these coordinates 47.7647,-117.395149 in http://maps.google.com/ for > an aerial view. > I really want an outside airplane as I plan to just walk to the park with a > couple batteries in my pocket when I get a nice day and work on inverted > rudder commands. I am getting it wrong most of the time and the flight > deteriorates badly. > I had no idea that the batteries would actually cool excessively while in > use in cold weather and need to be insulated. > My flying buddy who is now learning the advanced schedule has a Brio and > speaks highly of it. I will have him bring it in when he is in town and try > it out. My local hobby shop owner has a ParkZone Typhoon2 3D RTF, which I > also want to try. Has anyone flown pattern with the ParkZone Typhoon? > Thanks > Jim Hiller > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: John Pavlick Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:49:10 +0000 Size: 5361 URL: From ronlock at comcast.net Fri Oct 10 09:55:57 2008 From: ronlock at comcast.net (ronlock at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:55:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment Message-ID: <101020081755.28185.48EF97230002EF8F00006E192207021053050C010402019D@comcast.net> For a small outdoor field, and light wind, the F3A is about as good a pattern bird as Ive flown for it's size, using 3s 480 or larger Lipo. Ron Lockhart -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: John Pavlick > Don't know about the Typhoon 2 but I've flown Pattern with a Nexstar. It aint > pretty! LOL > ? > You can learn inverted rudder commands with a Shocky F3a. The plane has almost > no roll coupling. Take off, roll inverted (or launch it inverted like?I do) and > fly inverted figure 8's using just the rudder. You'll have it down in no time. > Until you do, bring some foam safe CA. You can fix just about anything on a flat > foamie in about 5 minutes. Wooden airplanes are not as forgiving. :) > ? > John Pavlick > > --- On Fri, 10/10/08, J N Hiller wrote: > > From: J N Hiller > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment > To: "NSRCA Mailing List" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 5:23 PM > > Good morning all. Thanks for the input. > I am reviewing your replies this morning and appreciate the help. I don't > want to give up on the AMA 2 pound 'Park Flier' but I probably have > room to > fly a larger / faster airplane. My park is a triangle about 150M on a side. > Enter these coordinates 47.7647,-117.395149 in http://maps.google.com/ for > an aerial view. > I really want an outside airplane as I plan to just walk to the park with a > couple batteries in my pocket when I get a nice day and work on inverted > rudder commands. I am getting it wrong most of the time and the flight > deteriorates badly. > I had no idea that the batteries would actually cool excessively while in > use in cold weather and need to be insulated. > My flying buddy who is now learning the advanced schedule has a Brio and > speaks highly of it. I will have him bring it in when he is in town and try > it out. My local hobby shop owner has a ParkZone Typhoon2 3D RTF, which I > also want to try. Has anyone flown pattern with the ParkZone Typhoon? > Thanks > Jim Hiller > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: John Pavlick Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 17:49:10 +0000 Size: 5361 URL: From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Fri Oct 10 10:26:31 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:26:31 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: With a little re-work here and there, a Formosa doesn't totally suck for the money--and sort of looks like a pattern airplane... RS> From: jnhiller at earthlink.net> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:23:14 -0700> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment> > Good morning all. Thanks for the input.> I am reviewing your replies this morning and appreciate the help. I don't> want to give up on the AMA 2 pound 'Park Flier' but I probably have room to> fly a larger / faster airplane. My park is a triangle about 150M on a side.> Enter these coordinates 47.7647,-117.395149 in http://maps.google.com/ for> an aerial view.> I really want an outside airplane as I plan to just walk to the park with a> couple batteries in my pocket when I get a nice day and work on inverted> rudder commands. I am getting it wrong most of the time and the flight> deteriorates badly.> I had no idea that the batteries would actually cool excessively while in> use in cold weather and need to be insulated.> My flying buddy who is now learning the advanced schedule has a Brio and> speaks highly of it. I will have him bring it in when he is in town and try> it out. My local hobby shop owner has a ParkZone Typhoon2 3D RTF, which I> also want to try. Has anyone flown pattern with the ParkZone Typhoon?> Thanks> Jim Hiller> > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093185mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Fri Oct 10 11:58:20 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:58:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <230778.15383.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yup - a little bigger than a Shocky too. And it's foam. "Mistakes" are easy to fix. That's important when you're trying to lean new stuff. The little wooden "Pattern" planes are great but most of the ones I've seen are either : A. Too small to fly like a "real" Pattern plane. B. Too large to fly in a small, confined area. ? There are of course exceptions but generally airplanes like the Fliton Prodigy, Quiet Storm, E-Flite Brio 10 etc. tend to require more space than a foamy and they don't really fly?like a full-size Pattern plane any more than a good foamie does. The Fliton stuff is pretty light but that makes it kind of fragile too.?I have a Prodigy and while it does track REALLY well for a plane of it's size, it has it's limits AND it's quite a bit faster than a foamie so you do need some space to fly it in. I still believe the best bang for the buck is an Ikarus Shock Flyer F3A. I've had several since they came out - let's face it, foamies don't last FOREVER! Every one has been a good flyer. Pick up a Shocky. You won't be disappointed. Fly it indoors or out. Bring it to Pattern contests for foamie wars. You'll get your money's worth. Just try to keep it around 6 oz. or less RTF. ? John Pavlick ? BTW - Dean Funk also makes some cool Black Magic foamies. Check out RCU for some of his stuff. --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Richard Strickland wrote: From: Richard Strickland Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:26 PM #yiv1100134632 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1100134632 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} With a little re-work here and there, a Formosa doesn't totally suck for the money--and sort of looks like a pattern airplane... RS > From: jnhiller at earthlink.net > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:23:14 -0700 > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment > > Good morning all. Thanks for the input. > I am reviewing your replies this morning and appreciate the help. I don't > want to give up on the AMA 2 pound 'Park Flier' but I probably have room to > fly a larger / faster airplane. My park is a triangle about 150M on a side. > Enter these coordinates 47.7647,-117.395149 in http://maps.google.com/ for > an aerial view. > I really want an outside airplane as I plan to just walk to the park with a > couple batteries in my pocket when I get a nice day and work on inverted > rudder commands. I am getting it wrong most of the time and the flight > deteriorates badly. > I had no idea that the batteries would actually cool excessively while in > use in cold weather and need to be insulated. > My flying buddy who is now learning the advanced schedule has a Brio and > speaks highly of it. I will have him bring it in when he is in town and try > it out. My local hobby shop owner has a ParkZone Typhoon2 3D RTF, which I > also want to try. Has anyone flown pattern with the ParkZone Typhoon? > Thanks > Jim Hiller > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lagrue at hotmail.com Fri Oct 10 12:55:18 2008 From: lagrue at hotmail.com (JEREMY CHINN) Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:55:18 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: Park Flier suppliment In-Reply-To: <230778.15383.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <230778.15383.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Shameless plug... A Fancy Foam Vantage can be had in an unmilled version (more appropriate for outdoor weather) for about 2/3 the cost of the indoor milled version. Power it with an Axi 2203-46 along with a Castle TB9 ESC and some 2s 300-350mah batts and you have a very good outdoor performer for light conditions (very light). Prop with a GWS 8x4.3. Servos for this bird can be anything from the Diamond D4.7 to the Futaba 3115. My own personal bird uses the 4.7's on ele and rudd and a 3115 on ail. The Berg 4L reciever or AR6100 from Spektrum will handle command duties well. This whole setup can be had for a song and performs well. Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 12:58:18 -0700From: jpavlick at idseng.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment Yup - a little bigger than a Shocky too. And it's foam. "Mistakes" are easy to fix. That's important when you're trying to lean new stuff. The little wooden "Pattern" planes are great but most of the ones I've seen are either : A. Too small to fly like a "real" Pattern plane. B. Too large to fly in a small, confined area. There are of course exceptions but generally airplanes like the Fliton Prodigy, Quiet Storm, E-Flite Brio 10 etc. tend to require more space than a foamy and they don't really fly like a full-size Pattern plane any more than a good foamie does. The Fliton stuff is pretty light but that makes it kind of fragile too. I have a Prodigy and while it does track REALLY well for a plane of it's size, it has it's limits AND it's quite a bit faster than a foamie so you do need some space to fly it in. I still believe the best bang for the buck is an Ikarus Shock Flyer F3A. I've had several since they came out - let's face it, foamies don't last FOREVER! Every one has been a good flyer. Pick up a Shocky. You won't be disappointed. Fly it indoors or out. Bring it to Pattern contests for foamie wars. You'll get your money's worth. Just try to keep it around 6 oz. or less RTF. John Pavlick BTW - Dean Funk also makes some cool Black Magic foamies. Check out RCU for some of his stuff.--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Richard Strickland wrote: From: Richard Strickland Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier supplimentTo: "General pattern discussion" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 6:26 PM With a little re-work here and there, a Formosa doesn't totally suck for the money--and sort of looks like a pattern airplane...RS> From: jnhiller at earthlink.net> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 10:23:14 -0700> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Park Flier suppliment> > Good morning all. Thanks for the input.> I am reviewing your replies this morning and appreciate the help. I don't> want to give up on the AMA 2 pound 'Park Flier' but I probably have room to> fly a larger / faster airplane. My park is a triangle about 150M on a side.> Enter these coordinates 47.7647,-117.395149 in http://maps.google.com/ for> an aerial view.> I really want an outside airplane as I plan to just walk to the park with a> couple batteries in my pocket when I get a nice day and work on inverted> rudder commands. I am getting it wrong most of the time and the flight> deteriorates badly.> I had no idea that the batteries would actually cool excessively while in> use in cold weather and need to be insulated.> My flying buddy who is now learning the advanced schedule has a Brio and> speaks highly of it. I will have him bring it in when he is in town and try> it out. My local hobby shop owner has a ParkZone Typhoon2 3D RTF, which I> also want to try. Has anyone flown pattern with the ParkZone Typhoon?> Thanks> Jim Hiller> > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris ? ? ? --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Koopowitz wrote: From: Derek Koopowitz Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Blue Angels over SF today To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:43 PM Check out my photos taken from the roof of my office building today - about 30 minutes ago. ? ? http://picasaweb.google.com/DerekKoopowitz/BlueAngelsOverSanFrancisco?authkey=xLK1VYb6-No# ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Chris krishlan fitzsimmons wrote: > Very cool Derek. > > > > */Chris /* > > > --- On *Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Koopowitz //* wrote: > > From: Derek Koopowitz > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Blue Angels over SF today > To: "General pattern discussion" > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:43 PM > > Check out my photos taken from the roof of my office building > today - about 30 minutes ago. > http://picasaweb.google.com/DerekKoopowitz/BlueAngelsOverSanFrancisco?authkey=xLK1VYb6-No# > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/msnnkwxp1020093175mrt/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adriancwong at earthlink.net Fri Oct 10 16:00:48 2008 From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:00:48 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Blue Angels over SF today Message-ID: <18581733.1223683246601.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> I went to Emeryville for lunch yesterday afternoon and saw a few of them flying around the bay checking out the scenery, wasn't in any formation, just single ones. I guess with the price of jet fuel being so cheap, why not waste some of the tax payers' money :-) -----Original Message----- >From: krishlan fitzsimmons >Sent: Oct 10, 2008 7:47 PM >To: General pattern discussion >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Blue Angels over SF today > >Very cool Derek. > > > >Chris ? ? ? > >--- On Fri, 10/10/08, Derek Koopowitz wrote: >From: Derek Koopowitz >Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Blue Angels over SF today >To: "General pattern discussion" >Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 4:43 PM > >Check out my photos taken from the roof of my office building today - about 30 minutes ago. >? >? >http://picasaweb.google.com/DerekKoopowitz/BlueAngelsOverSanFrancisco?authkey=xLK1VYb6-No# >? >_______________________________________________ >NSRCA-discussion mailing list >NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > From geobet at gis.net Fri Oct 10 16:37:01 2008 From: geobet at gis.net (george w. kennie) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 00:37:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Blue Angels over SF today References: <3454543c0810101643w5a419ebcyfc5357beee70434b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D52FFFC76AA423EB41D1BC42A2912E0@CYBERPOWER> Awesome !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,................even if not much work DID get done today. 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URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Fri Oct 10 23:42:33 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 07:42:33 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems In-Reply-To: <918385.92523.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <918385.92523.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081010234817.a480f7f1.simestd@netexpress.com> On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Steven Maxwell wrote: > ?I'm not sure what has changed my server or the list but I replied to > the park flyer thread and after not seeing my post checked and it > went to the person that sent the reply to the thread not to the list. > Any help??? It used to work ok just to reply. Steve Maxwell Hi Steve (and everybody), I haven't changed any settings on the server and I'm double checking the behaviour with this message. The header info the server inserts results in regular replies going to the list instead of the poster - unless local preferences on the user side override that behaviour. If it's still going on Steve, feel free to mail me off-list and I'll be glad to troubleshoot with you. Sorry for the belated reply, I was in Juneau for work on a tight timeline. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From patternrules at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 05:27:01 2008 From: patternrules at yahoo.com (Steven Maxwell) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:27:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems In-Reply-To: <20081010234817.a480f7f1.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <61288.90570.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> ?Tom thanks must have been a glitch in yahoo as I'm replying to the list in the normal manner I tested it yesterday a couple of times and it always went to the poster but today now it goes to the list. ?Thanks ?Steve Maxwell --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Tom Simes wrote: From: Tom Simes Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 3:48 AM On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:52:27 -0700 (PDT) Steven Maxwell wrote: > ?I'm not sure what has changed my server or the list but I replied to > the park flyer thread and after not seeing my post checked and it > went to the person that sent the reply to the thread not to the list. > Any help??? It used to work ok just to reply. Steve Maxwell Hi Steve (and everybody), I haven't changed any settings on the server and I'm double checking the behaviour with this message. The header info the server inserts results in regular replies going to the list instead of the poster - unless local preferences on the user side override that behaviour. If it's still going on Steve, feel free to mail me off-list and I'll be glad to troubleshoot with you. Sorry for the belated reply, I was in Juneau for work on a tight timeline. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 11 05:57:40 2008 From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 13:57:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] amazing new engine - Off Topic In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i V12 RC car engine produces not-mini poMini V12 RC car engine produces not-mini power10-08-2008 Click above to watch a video of the mini V12 engine in action Today we've seen something quite small and extremely awesome: a small-scale V12 engine designed for model radio controlled vehicles. This is an entirely functional model and features twin camshafts and overhead valves. It's air-cooled to simplify things by ridding itself of the need for complex water jackets, radiators and the associated plumbing, though the crankshaft is made from multiple pieces. The lilliputian engine displaces just 87-cubic centimeters, but produces between 6 and 8 horsepower running on a mixture of methanol and nitro methane. The best thing of all is the builders say they will be making kits available soon so enterprising craftsmen can power their RC cars, planes and boats with a real V12. To truly get an idea of just how awe inspiring this little machine is, click past the break for a video of the mini V12 in action. 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The best thing of all is the builders say they will be making kits available soon so enterprising craftsmen can power their RC cars, planes and boats with a real V12. To truly get an idea of just how awe inspiring this little machine is, click past the break for a video of the mini V12 in action.[Source: Wawu via Carscoop]Video: See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. 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URL: From natpenton at centurytel.net Sat Oct 11 12:15:31 2008 From: natpenton at centurytel.net (Nat Penton) Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 20:15:31 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems References: <918385.92523.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20081010234817.a480f7f1.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: Tom Palin is not in Juneau !! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 2:48 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems > On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:52:27 -0700 (PDT) > Steven Maxwell wrote: > >> I'm not sure what has changed my server or the list but I replied to >> the park flyer thread and after not seeing my post checked and it >> went to the person that sent the reply to the thread not to the list. >> Any help??? It used to work ok just to reply. Steve Maxwell > > Hi Steve (and everybody), > > I haven't changed any settings on the server and I'm double > checking the behaviour with this message. The header info the > server inserts results in regular replies going to the list instead > of the poster - unless local preferences on the user side override that > behaviour. If it's still going on Steve, feel free to mail me off-list > and I'll be glad to troubleshoot with you. > > Sorry for the belated reply, I was in Juneau for work on a tight > timeline. > > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's > sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B > > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ====================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From simestd at netexpress.com Sat Oct 11 18:15:29 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:15:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems In-Reply-To: References: <918385.92523.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <20081010234817.a480f7f1.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <20081011182116.88c12aa6.simestd@netexpress.com> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:15:25 -0500 "Nat Penton" wrote: > Tom > Palin is not in Juneau !! Palin? Palin who? I don't recall any district 8 PATTERN competitors with that name... Since this is a pattern list, surely this Palin fellow has something to do with our sport - right? ;) Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From natpenton at centurytel.net Sat Oct 11 18:51:56 2008 From: natpenton at centurytel.net (Nat Penton) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 02:51:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems References: <918385.92523.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com><20081010234817.a480f7f1.simestd@netexpress.com> <20081011182116.88c12aa6.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <091C261E2A12401A908FC2E8F34EB4F7@GREENROOM> Okay then - she can be my flying buddy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes" To: Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:21 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems > On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:15:25 -0500 > "Nat Penton" wrote: > >> Tom >> Palin is not in Juneau !! > > Palin? Palin who? I don't recall any district 8 PATTERN competitors > with that name... Since this is a pattern list, surely this Palin > fellow has something to do with our sport - right? > > ;) > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's > sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B > > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ====================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From wgalligan at att.net Sat Oct 11 19:02:59 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 03:02:59 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems In-Reply-To: <091C261E2A12401A908FC2E8F34EB4F7@GREENROOM> References: <918385.92523.qm@web58403.mail.re3.yahoo.com><20081010234817.a480f7f1.simestd@netexpress.com><20081011182116.88c12aa6.simestd@netexpress.com> <091C261E2A12401A908FC2E8F34EB4F7@GREENROOM> Message-ID: <99F74496971B4986B246AEBAB6678C97@WaynePC> Nat.............YOU WISHED!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nat Penton" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems > Okay then - she can be my flying buddy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Simes" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems > > >> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:15:25 -0500 >> "Nat Penton" wrote: >> >>> Tom >>> Palin is not in Juneau !! >> >> Palin? Palin who? I don't recall any district 8 PATTERN competitors >> with that name... Since this is a pattern list, surely this Palin >> fellow has something to do with our sport - right? >> >> ;) >> >> Tom >> >> ====================================================================== >> "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's >> sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B >> >> Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com >> ====================================================================== >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 11 20:18:46 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2008 04:18:46 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems In-Reply-To: <99F74496971B4986B246AEBAB6678C97@WaynePC> Message-ID: <663794.66113.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Isn't a Palin a part in a glow motor? Chris ? ? ? --- On Sat, 10/11/08, Wayne Galligan wrote: From: Wayne Galligan Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 8:02 PM Nat.............YOU WISHED!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nat Penton" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems > Okay then - she can be my flying buddy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Simes" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 9:21 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] List problems > > >> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 15:15:25 -0500 >> "Nat Penton" wrote: >> >>> Tom >>> Palin is not in Juneau !! >> >> Palin? Palin who? I don't recall any district 8 PATTERN competitors >> with that name... Since this is a pattern list, surely this Palin >> fellow has something to do with our sport - right? >> >> ;) >> >> Tom >> >> ====================================================================== >> "Z-80 system stack overflow. 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See more here: http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?cPath=25_153&products_id=233 I will also endorse the F3A Shockflier that John spoke about. It is a good flying plane, although it can be blown around by winds greater than about 5 mph. Let us know what you get! Brett On Thu, Oct 9, 2008 at 9:30 AM, J N Hiller wrote: > Good morning all. Here's a question for you electric fliers. > I'm a 'fair weather flier' and winter is rapidly approaching here in the > inland northwest and there is a little used park within walking distance of > my residence. Since my retirement I enjoy the added time in the shop but > need to get out nearly every day. I am not currently flying electric and > have no interest in 3-D but I would like suggestions for a pattern capable > (masters) "Park Flier". I would like to comply with the 2 pound park flier > weight limit if possible however all suggestions for airplane and equipment > would be appreciated. > Thanks > Jim Hiller > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgalligan at att.net Sun Oct 12 17:34:05 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 01:34:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <6BC8FEC85C8047DEBB50A067650F40EA@Home> References: <6BC8FEC85C8047DEBB50A067650F40EA@Home> Message-ID: <805506A76C69459E9AAD69C19BBF32CE@WaynePC> Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Wayne Galligan" Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:09:41 +0000 Size: 709 URL: From wgalligan at att.net Mon Oct 13 06:55:38 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:55:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <101320081415.16602.48F357FD0005DAFF000040DA22165258560C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> References: <101320081415.16602.48F357FD0005DAFF000040DA22165258560C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: <19B25DF717114FAA9333BBD55778A188@WaynePC> Well the best I can recollect about the 70's is sex-drugs and Atari. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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URL: From getterflash at yahoo.com Mon Oct 13 06:57:48 2008 From: getterflash at yahoo.com (Bob Kane) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:57:48 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Message-ID: <714208.77657.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I was also in Electrical Engineering during the slide rule to calculator transition. Saved up for months to buy a TI-58 calculator. It was "programmable", great for doing repeated calculations. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: "vicenterc at comcast.net" To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15:25 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Mon Oct 13 07:12:21 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:12:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <101320081415.16602.48F357FD0005DAFF000040DA22165258560C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: I went from a slide rule to a four-function Sears ($100) to a HP-45. EE GPA went up a point! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. 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URL: From ojfrets at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 07:20:56 2008 From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO FRETS) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:20:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <714208.77657.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <714208.77657.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I was in the age of the "slider rule". Purchased my first TI 6 function calculator once I was working. But in engineering school it was the well lubricated slide rule-made for speed. Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Kane Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:58 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was also in Electrical Engineering during the slide rule to calculator transition. Saved up for months to buy a TI-58 calculator. It was "programmable", great for doing repeated calculations. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: "vicenterc at comcast.net" To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15:25 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Mon Oct 13 07:22:06 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:22:06 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <101320081415.16602.48F357FD0005DAFF000040DA22165258560C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7E68194D2E4A43869C066E225CBF5BAE@jaysdesktop> Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a "Oh s&%$#, my battery died"? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The good ol' days. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a ?Oh s&%$#, my battery died?? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From:vicenterc at comcast.net To:General pattern discussion Sent:Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject:Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From:Steve Ford To:NSRCS Board Sent:Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject:[NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From precisionaero at hotmail.com Mon Oct 13 08:31:11 2008 From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:31:11 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: References: <6BC8FEC85C8047DEBB50A067650F40EA@Home> <805506A76C69459E9AAD69C19BBF32CE@WaynePC> Message-ID: Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. From: tkeithblack at gmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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URL: From bob at toprudder.com Mon Oct 13 08:45:50 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:45:50 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <666278.53166.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <739090.27046.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide rules (did not allow calculators). One thing that I learned, that I still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of the answer in my head. You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a slide rule. Bob R. Bob Kane wrote: LOL, I remember that happening in my classes also. I can remember being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers. The good ol' days. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a ?Oh s&%$#, my battery died?? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Mon Oct 13 09:10:47 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:10:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <739090.27046.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: When you are really good you can do square roots on a four-function calculator! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:46 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide rules (did not allow calculators). One thing that I learned, that I still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of the answer in my head. You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a slide rule. Bob R. Bob Kane wrote: LOL, I remember that happening in my classes also. I can remember being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers. The good ol' days. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a "Oh s&%$#, my battery died"? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Mon Oct 13 09:25:40 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:25:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A slide rule - also known as a slip stick. I still have it! Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. _____ From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay Marshall ? -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule??? Is that legal jargon? ? ? ? ? ? ? OK, I do know what one is.? For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. ? Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? Art does not own a computer.?? He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com ? Thanks, Steve Ford _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ? Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. 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Jay Marshall -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael CohenSent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. From: tkeithblack at gmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. 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That made life tough on me since I was in high school and college in the 80s. ----- Original Message ----- From: Anthony Abdullah To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I thought the slide rule was the instruction governing how a stall turn would be downgraded based on how many wingspans it decends down a given plane befor pivoting? Silly me --- On Mon, 10/13/08, Jay Marshall wrote: From: Jay Marshall Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Monday, October 13, 2008, 1:25 PM A slide rule ? also known as a slip stick. I still have it! Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford ------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. 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I'm with Bob on that one....I still?do the magnitude of the calculation in my head too. ? BTW, is it a "Slider Rule" or a "Slide Ruler"?? I always thought it was a Slide Ruler, or, in my case, neither, since it was circular. ? Another BTW, if you are less than, say, 45 years old, you probably don't have a clue what's all the hubbub about. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide rules (did not allow calculators). One thing that I learned, that I still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of the answer in my head.?You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a slide rule. ? Bob R. Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote: LOL,? I remember that happening in my classes also.? I can remember being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers.? The good ol' days. ? Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a ?Oh s&%$#, my battery died?? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! ? Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35.? That was a huge change in the engineering school.? The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators.?? Very good memories.? That was early 70's. =0 A ? -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone ? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> Don't?say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? Only smart people use slider rule. ? -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone ? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> Art does not own a computer.?? He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com ? 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Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. _____ From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now _____ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 < /FONT>12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From: rcmaster199 at aol.com Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:31:36 +0000 Size: 680 URL: From ojfrets at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 12:28:05 2008 From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO FRETS) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:28:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <8CAFB7BAA851C23-1150-19D4@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> References: <739090.27046.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> <8CAFB7BAA851C23-1150-19D4@mblk-d23.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1AEF39265C1D470C803A62514A87F150@OrlandoPC> Neither. "Slide Rule" Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:50 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner If you hung your calculator by your belt, you were considered a nerd. I remember some of the kids would use that as bragging tool....go figure. Also the strange arguments that would ensue over whether straight up calculations (TI) or reverse polish notation calculation (HP) was better method My circular slide ruler was tucked away safely in my pocket, but I must admit that later in my first year, I had to go to dark side too....just couldn't compete with getting the decimals in the right place without thinking. I'm with Bob on that one....I still do the magnitude of the calculation in my head too. BTW, is it a "Slider Rule" or a "Slide Ruler"?? I always thought it was a Slide Ruler, or, in my case, neither, since it was circular. Another BTW, if you are less than, say, 45 years old, you probably don't have a clue what's all the hubbub about. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Richards To: General pattern discussion Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide rules (did not allo w calculators). One thing that I learned, that I still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of the answer in my head. You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a slide rule. Bob R. Bob Kane wrote: LOL, I remember that happening in my classes also. I can remember being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers. The good ol' days. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a "Oh s&%$#, my battery died"? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! &nb sp; Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From ojfrets at earthlink.net Mon Oct 13 12:35:57 2008 From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO FRETS) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 20:35:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <101320081913.24533.48F39DF3000A856800005FD522155558840C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> References: <101320081913.24533.48F39DF3000A856800005FD522155558840C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: <0C1B217713BA4999B4BAE773D81A628E@OrlandoPC> Log Log Deci Trig Duplex Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 3:14 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Opps some Spanglish. I think Bambu = Bamboo. I am not sure now. It is very hard wood that is not affected by air moisture and temperature changes. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: vicenterc at comcast.net Jay, Probably you know. Some models are considered antiques. I think if the one you is built with bambu wood it has more value. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Jay Marshall" A slide rule - also known as a slip stick. I still have it! Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 < /FONT>12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. ________________________________ From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now From rcmaster199 at aol.com Mon Oct 13 13:11:38 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:11:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <1AEF39265C1D470C803A62514A87F150@OrlandoPC> References: <1AEF39265C1D470C803A62514A87F150@OrlandoPC> Message-ID: <8CAFB8F5CF7C643-1740-1D77@webmail-dd21.sysops.aol.com> Ding ding ding.....Orlando wins the prize. It was a trick (or treat) question -----Original Message----- From: ORLANDO FRETS To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 4:28 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner Neither. "Slide Rule" Orlando Frets From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Mon Oct 13 13:44:42 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:44:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <1CD1A52F7FBF4AD3966EA2AD72C92050@jaysdesktop> References: <1CD1A52F7FBF4AD3966EA2AD72C92050@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: Probably BOTH were slide rule kids. RS From: lightfoot at sc.rr.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:12:16 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner 1. Some countries are behind the technology curve,, 2. The Concorde is no longer flying ? the B-52 is. Jay Marshall -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard StricklandSent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:21 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner CONCORD was designed using slide rules--along with a couple other things...RS From: lightfoot at sc.rr.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 13:25:22 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner A slide rule ? also known as a slip stick. I still have it! Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael CohenSent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. From: tkeithblack at gmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 13751 bytes Desc: not available URL: From wgalligan at att.net Mon Oct 13 14:44:36 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:44:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: References: <6BC8FEC85C8047DEBB50A067650F40EA@Home><805506A76C69459E9AAD69C19BBF32CE@WaynePC> Message-ID: <4169B42EDF954961A44F22F7DA627EEF@WaynePC> I bet Art would be tickled to know this long thread was started just over his phone # or should I say lack of technology. Wayno ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Black To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. 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URL: From rschofield5282 at wowway.com Mon Oct 13 15:36:02 2008 From: rschofield5282 at wowway.com (robert schofield) Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:36:02 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner References: Message-ID: <38AAD863B6874C5EB9A38558F00E93E5@your55e5f9e3d2> Jay, That looks like a Picket & Eckle. I got one around here someplace. Bob Schofield ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Marshall To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner A slide rule - also known as a slip stick. I still have it! Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:50 AM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: > If you hung your calculator by your belt, you were considered a > nerd. I remember some of the kids would use that as bragging > tool....go figure. Also the strange arguments that would ensue over > whether straight up calculations (TI) or reverse polish notation > calculation (HP) was better method > > My circular slide ruler was tucked away safely in my pocket, but I > must admit that later in my first year, I had to go to dark side > too....just couldn't compete with getting the decimals in the right > place without thinking. I'm with Bob on that one....I still do the > magnitude of the calculation in my head too. > > BTW, is it a "Slider Rule" or a "Slide Ruler"?? I always thought it > was a Slide Ruler, or, in my case, neither, since it was circular. > > Another BTW, if you are less than, say, 45 years old, you probably > don't have a clue what's all the hubbub about. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Richards > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide > rules (did not allo w calculators). One thing that I learned, that I > still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the > magnitude of the answer in my head. You had to keep track of the > decimal place when using a slide rule. > > Bob R. > > > Bob Kane wrote: > LOL, I remember that happening in my classes also. I can remember > being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers. The good ol' > days. > > Bob Kane > getterflash at yahoo.com > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Jay Marshall > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a ?Oh s&% > $#, my battery died?? We used to come early to get next to the wall > socket! > &nb sp; > Jay Marshall > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > ] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. > That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were > redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. > Very good memories. That was early 70's. > > -- > Vicente "Vince" Bortone > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Wayne Galligan" > Don't say that to Art. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: vicenterc at comcast.net > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > Only smart people use slider rule. > > -- > Vicente "Vince" Bortone > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Wayne Galligan" > Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Steve Ford > To: NSRCS Board > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. > Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com > > Thanks, > Steve Ford > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion > mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By the way Art doesn't do a Slide rule. That is too advanced, Abacus is right up Arts' alley that way you can count the beads to make sure in case you forget. Troy From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:50 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner Queen Elisabeth was a ruler. On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:50 AM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: If you hung your calculator by your belt, you were considered a nerd. I remember some of the kids would use that as bragging tool....go figure. Also the strange arguments that would ensue over whether straight up calculations (TI) or reverse polish notation calculation (HP) was better method My circular slide ruler was tucked away safely in my pocket, but I must admit that later in my first year, I had to go to dark side too....just couldn't compete with getting the decimals in the right place without thinking. I'm with Bob on that one....I still do the magnitude of the calculation in my head too. BTW, is it a "Slider Rule" or a "Slide Ruler"?? I always thought it was a Slide Ruler, or, in my case, neither, since it was circular. Another BTW, if you are less than, say, 45 years old, you probably don't have a clue what's all the hubbub about. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Richards To: General pattern discussion Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide rules (did not allo w calculators). One thing that I learned, that I still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of the answer in my head. You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a slide rule. Bob R. Bob Kane wrote: LOL, I remember that happening in my classes also. I can remember being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers. The good ol' days. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a "Oh s&%$#, my battery died"? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! &nb sp; Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. _____ From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I got one around here > someplace. > > Bob Schofield > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jay Marshall > > To: 'General pattern discussion' > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > > > > > > > A slide rule ? also known as a slip stick. I still have it! Note > the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it > around on their belt! > > > > Jay Marshall > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca- > discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > > > Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? > > > > > > > OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her > father's slide rule. > > > From: tkeithblack at gmail.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is > definitely out. > > > > Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Wayne Galligan > > To: General pattern discussion > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > > > Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Steve Ford > > To: NSRCS Board > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > > > Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. > > Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Ford > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. > Learn Now > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Mon Oct 13 16:57:55 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:57:55 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <38AAD863B6874C5EB9A38558F00E93E5@your55e5f9e3d2> Message-ID: Wrong - a K&E Deci-Lon Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of robert schofield Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:35 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Jay, That looks like a Picket & Eckle. I got one around here someplace. Bob Schofield ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Marshall To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner A slide rule - also known as a slip stick. I still have it! Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. _____ From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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Still have it somewhere unless I gave it to one of the kids. I still have the TI SR-10 calculator somewhere too. That thing cost over $300 new back then and it wouldn't even do trig functions. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Ramsey Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 8:27 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's probably a K&E Deci-Lon. I've got one just like it. From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of robert schofield Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 6:35 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Jay, That looks like a Picket & Eckle. I got one around here someplace. Bob Schofield ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Marshall To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner A slide rule - also known as a slip stick. I still have it! Note the hook on the case so that would-be engineers could carry it around on their belt! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Michael Cohen Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:31 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Hey, all you older guys, what is a slide rule? Is that legal jargon? OK, I do know what one is. For fun, my Step Mother gave me her father's slide rule. _____ From: tkeithblack at gmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 11:08:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner It's hard to send email with a slide rule, and YouTube is definitely out. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 8:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com Thanks, Steve Ford _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. 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RPN is the only way to go. ? I had the opportunity to watch my boss try and figure out my calculator, HP-48. I left it on my desk and he just grabbed it for some quick calculations. He?s not an engineer. His comment was no wonder I can?t get things done on time. I have to go back to the Greeks for direction on how to add 2+2 ? Not really the case, but RPN was something he didn?t have experience with. So I taught him how to use it and loaned him my HP-28 and he now swears by it. There is nothing better than having a Stack to work with. ? By the way Art doesn?t do a Slide rule. That is too advanced, Abacus is right up Arts? alley that way you can count the beads to make sure in case you forget. ? Troy ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:50 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner ? Queen Elisabeth was a ruler. ? ? On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:50 AM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: If you hung your calculator by your belt, you were considered a nerd. I remember some of the kids would use that as bragging tool....go figure. Also the strange arguments that would ensue over whether straight up calculations (TI) or reverse polish notation calculation (HP) was better method ? My circular slide ruler was tucked away safely in my pocket, but I must admit that later in my first year, I had to go to dark side too....just couldn't compete with getting the decimals in the right place?without thinking. I'm with Bob on that one....I still?do the magnitude of the calculation in my head too. ? BTW, is it a "Slider Rule" or a "Slide Ruler"?? I always thought it was a Slide Ruler, or, in my case, neither, since it was circular. ? Another BTW, if you are less than, say, 45 years old, you probably don't have a clue what's all the hubbub about. ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> To: General patter n discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide rules (did not allo w calculators). One thing that I learned, that I still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of the answer in my head.?You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a slide rule. ? Bob R. Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com>?wrote: LOL,? I remember that happening in my classes also.? I can remember being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers.? The good ol' days. ? Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ? ? ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a ?Oh s&%$#, my battery died?? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! &nb sp; Jay?Marshall -- ---Original Message----- From:?nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org?[mailto:nsrca-discussion-b ounces at lists.nsrca.org]?On Behalf Of?vicenterc at comcast.net Sent:?Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To:?General pattern discussion Subject:?Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35.? That was a huge change in the engineering school.? The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators.?? Very good memories.? That was early 70's. ? -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone ? -------------- Original message --------------? From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> Don't?say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From:?vicenterc at comcast.net To:?General pattern discussion Sent:?Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject:?Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? Only smart people use slider rule. ? -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone ? -------------- Original message --------------? From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> Art does not own a computer.?? He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From:?Steve Ford To:?NSRCS Board Sent:?Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject:?[NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner ? Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. Email me at?steveandlaurel at valornet.com ? Thanks, Steve Ford _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lis ts.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ? _______________________________________________? NSRCA-discussion mailing list? NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ?_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From rcmaster199 at aol.com Tue Oct 14 07:07:19 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:07:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements In-Reply-To: <101320081819.10377.48F3912E000ED59F0000288922165258060C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> References: <101320081819.10377.48F3912E000ED59F0000288922165258060C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CAFC259BCD1ED7-1670-1E4@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Has anyone used this gadget for measuring the various angles we measure? http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1030 MattK From joddino at socal.rr.com Tue Oct 14 07:27:32 2008 From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:27:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Why are fire engines red? Was Slide Rules....was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <8CAFBDCB5C9AB94-123C-3068@MBLK-M12.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAFBDCB5C9AB94-123C-3068@MBLK-M12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Fire engines are red because they have 8 wheels and 4 people ride in them. 8 and 4 is 12. Twelve inches is a foot. A foot is a ruler. Queen Elizabeth was a ruler. Queen Elizabeth was a ship that sailed the seas. Fish swim in the sea. Fish have fins. The Finns faught the Russians. The Russians are reds. Fire engines are always rushin', so they must be red. I think I paid $26 for my high end slide rule in 1951. I wouldn't buy a calculator until they got down to $100 and that turned out to be a TI. But the the best and the one I still have is the HP 15C and yes it had RPN. I'm thinking of buying the app for it for my iPhone, but I'm having a hard time trying to justify it as I don't do much with complex numbers anymore. Jim On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:24 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: > Geez Oddino....was that a trick (or treat) answer?? Thot that QE was > a boat. Now I'm really confused > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Newman > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 8:04 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner > > Matt, > > > > RPN is the only way to go. > > > > I had the opportunity to watch my boss try and figure out my > calculator, HP-48. I left it on my desk and he just grabbed it for > some quick calculations. > He?s not an engineer. His comment was no wonder I can?t get things > done on time. I have to go back to the Greeks for direction on how > to add 2+2 > > > > Not really the case, but RPN was something he didn?t have > experience with. So I taught him how to use it and loaned him my > HP-28 and he now > swears by it. There is nothing better than having a Stack to work > with. > > > > By the way Art doesn?t do a Slide rule. That is too > advanced, Abacus is right up Arts? alley that way you can count the > beads > to make sure in case you forget. > > > > Troy > > > > > > > > From: > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James > Oddino > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:50 PM > > To: General pattern discussion > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was > Art Wagner > > > > > > > > Queen Elisabeth was a ruler. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:50 AM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you hung your calculator by your belt, you were considered a > nerd. I remember some of the kids would use that as bragging > tool....go figure. > Also the strange arguments that would ensue over whether straight up > calculations (TI) or reverse polish notation calculation (HP) was > better method > > > > > > > > > > > > My circular slide ruler was tucked away safely in my pocket, but I > must admit that later in my first year, I had to go to dark side > too....just > couldn't compete with getting the decimals in the right place without > thinking. I'm with Bob on that one....I still do the magnitude of > the calculation > in my head too. > > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, is it a "Slider Rule" or a "Slide > Ruler"?? I always thought it was a Slide Ruler, or, in my case, > neither, > since it was circular. > > > > > > > > > > > > Another BTW, if you are less than, say, 45 years old, you probably > don't have a clue what's all the hubbub about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> > > To: General patter > n discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > > Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45 pm > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > > > > > My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide > rules (did not allo w calculators). One thing that I learned, that I > still do > to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of > the answer > in my head. You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a > slide > rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob R. > > > > > > > > > > Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > LOL, I remember that > happening in my classes also. I can remember being nervous and having > difficulty keying numbers. The good ol' days. > > > > > > > > Bob Kane > > getterflash at yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > Original Message ---- > > From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> > > To: General pattern discussion <nsrca- > discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > > > > > Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a > ?Oh s&%$#, my battery died?? We used to come early to get next > to the wall socket! > > > > > > &nb sp; > > > > > > > > Jay Marshall > > > > > > > > -- > ---Original Message----- > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-b > ounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net > > Sent: Monday, October 13, > 2008 10:15 AM > > To: General pattern > discussion > > Subject: Re: > [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was in the generation that > changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the > engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time > savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was > early 70's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Vicente "Vince" Bortone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> > > > > > > > > Don't say that to Art. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: vicenterc at comcast.net > > > > > > > > > > To: General pattern discussion > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, > October 13, 2008 7:01 AM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: > [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Only smart people use slider rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Vicente "Vince" Bortone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message > -------------- > > From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> > > > > > > > > Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > > > From: Steve Ford > > > > > > > > > > To: NSRCS Board > > > > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, > October 12, 2008 4:09 PM > > > > > > > > > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] > Art Wagner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. > > > > > > > > > > Email me at steveandlaurel at valornet.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > Steve Ford > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lis > ts.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion > mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vicenterc at comcast.net Tue Oct 14 07:41:15 2008 From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:41:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Why are fire engines red? Was Slide Rules....was Art Wagner Message-ID: <101420081541.16875.48F4BD960009020C000041EB22120207840C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Finally I understand why the I-P system is based on 12. I still prefer the metric system because we usually have 10 fingers. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: James Oddino Fire engines are red because they have 8 wheels and 4 people ride in them. 8 and 4 is 12. Twelve inches is a foot. A foot is a ruler. Queen Elizabeth was a ruler. Queen Elizabeth was a ship that sailed the seas. Fish swim in the sea. Fish have fins. The Finns faught the Russians. The Russians are reds. Fire engines are always rushin', so they must be red. I think I paid $26 for my high end slide rule in 1951. I wouldn't buy a calculator until they got down to $100 and that turned out to be a TI. But the the best and the one I still have is the HP 15C and yes it had RPN. I'm thinking of buying the app for it for my iPhone, but I'm having a hard time trying to justify it as I don't do much with complex numbers anymore. Jim On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:24 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: Geez Oddino....was that a trick (or treat) answer?? Thot that QE was a boat. Now I'm really confused -----Original Message----- From: Troy Newman To: General pattern discussion Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner Matt, RPN is the only way to go. I had the opportunity to watch my boss try and figure out my calculator, HP-48. I left it on my desk and he just grabbed it for some quick calculations. He?s not an engineer. His comment was no wonder I can?t get things done on time. I have to go back to the Greeks for direction on how to add 2+2 Not really the case, but RPN was something he didn?t have experience with. So I taught him how to use it and loaned him my HP-28 and he now swears by it. There is nothing better than having a Stack to work with. By the way Art doesn?t do a Slide rule. That is too advanced, Abacus is right up Arts? alley that way you can count the beads to make sure in case you forget. Troy From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:50 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner Queen Elisabeth was a ruler. On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:50 AM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: If you hung your calculator by your belt, you were considered a nerd. I remember some of the kids would use that as bragging tool....go figure. Also the strange arguments that would ensue over whether straight up calculations (TI) or reverse polish notation calculation (HP) was better method My circular slide ruler was tucked away safely in my pocket, but I must admit that later in my first year, I had to go to dark side too....just couldn't compete with getting the decimals in the right place without thinking. I'm with Bob on that one....I still do the magnitude of the calculation in my head too. BTW, is it a "Slider Rule" or a "Slide Ruler"?? I always thought it was a Slide Ruler, or, in my case, neither, since it was circular. Another BTW, if you are less than, say, 45 years old, you probably don't have a clue what's all the hubbub about. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> To: General patter n discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide rules (did not allo w calculators). One thing that I learned, that I still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of the answer in my head. You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a slide rule. Bob R. Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote: LOL, I remember that happening in my classes also. I can remember being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers. The good ol' days. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a ?Oh s&%$#, my battery died?? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! &nb sp; Jay Marshall -- ---Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-b ounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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URL: From drykert2 at rochester.rr.com Tue Oct 14 08:14:58 2008 From: drykert2 at rochester.rr.com (Del) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 16:14:58 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Why are fire engines red? Was SlideRules....was Art Wagner References: <8CAFBDCB5C9AB94-123C-3068@MBLK-M12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <9D5BB60F04D64463BDB1009D54CA647C@ownerayn17ov1d> please accept as as is being sent...Not directected at anyone... "No wonder things fall down and go boom.." Del ----- Original Message ----- From: James Oddino To: General pattern discussion Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Why are fire engines red? Was SlideRules....was Art Wagner Fire engines are red because they have 8 wheels and 4 people ride in them. 8 and 4 is 12. Twelve inches is a foot. A foot is a ruler. Queen Elizabeth was a ruler. Queen Elizabeth was a ship that sailed the seas. Fish swim in the sea. Fish have fins. The Finns faught the Russians. The Russians are reds. Fire engines are always rushin', so they must be red. I think I paid $26 for my high end slide rule in 1951. I wouldn't buy a calculator until they got down to $100 and that turned out to be a TI. But the the best and the one I still have is the HP 15C and yes it had RPN. I'm thinking of buying the app for it for my iPhone, but I'm having a hard time trying to justify it as I don't do much with complex numbers anymore. Jim On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:24 PM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: Geez Oddino....was that a trick (or treat) answer?? Thot that QE was a boat. Now I'm really confused -----Original Message----- From: Troy Newman To: General pattern discussion Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 8:04 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner Matt, RPN is the only way to go. I had the opportunity to watch my boss try and figure out my calculator, HP-48. I left it on my desk and he just grabbed it for some quick calculations. He?s not an engineer. His comment was no wonder I can?t get things done on time. I have to go back to the Greeks for direction on how to add 2+2 Not really the case, but RPN was something he didn?t have experience with. So I taught him how to use it and loaned him my HP-28 and he now swears by it. There is nothing better than having a Stack to work with. By the way Art doesn?t do a Slide rule. That is too advanced, Abacus is right up Arts? alley that way you can count the beads to make sure in case you forget. Troy From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 4:50 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Rules....was Art Wagner Queen Elisabeth was a ruler. On Oct 13, 2008, at 11:50 AM, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: If you hung your calculator by your belt, you were considered a nerd. I remember some of the kids would use that as bragging tool....go figure. Also the strange arguments that would ensue over whether straight up calculations (TI) or reverse polish notation calculation (HP) was better method My circular slide ruler was tucked away safely in my pocket, but I must admit that later in my first year, I had to go to dark side too....just couldn't compete with getting the decimals in the right place without thinking. I'm with Bob on that one....I still do the magnitude of the calculation in my head too. BTW, is it a "Slider Rule" or a "Slide Ruler"?? I always thought it was a Slide Ruler, or, in my case, neither, since it was circular. Another BTW, if you are less than, say, 45 years old, you probably don't have a clue what's all the hubbub about. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> To: General patter n discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner My physics class in high school was the last year they used slide rules (did not allo w calculators). One thing that I learned, that I still do to this day, is to try and have an idea of at least the magnitude of the answer in my head. You had to keep track of the decimal place when using a slide rule. Bob R. Bob Kane <getterflash at yahoo.com> wrote: LOL, I remember that happening in my classes also. I can remember being nervous and having difficulty keying numbers. The good ol' days. Bob Kane getterflash at yahoo.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Jay Marshall <lightfoot at sc.rr.com> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 11:21:50 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Remember those exams where all was quiet, then there was a ?Oh s&%$#, my battery died?? We used to come early to get next to the wall socket! &nb sp; Jay Marshall -- ---Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-b ounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of vicenterc at comcast.net Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 10:15 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner I was in the generation that changed from slider rule to HP-35. That was a huge change in the engineering school. The tests were redesigned to account for the time savings when using calculators. Very good memories. That was early 70's. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> Don't say that to Art. ----- Original Message ----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:01 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Only smart people use slider rule. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Wayne Galligan" <wgalligan at att.net> Art does not own a computer. He uses a slider rule. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Ford To: NSRCS Board Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 4:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Art Wagner Looking for Art Wagner's email or phone number. 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Several factors have played into this decision, > most notably is the loss of passion for the sport. I've been in this > sport for 40+ years and can honestly say I have "stuff" that dates back > that far right up to present. Much of the "stuff" is of the pattern slant > but there is also sport plane and RC cars and equipment. Everything I > have is current and usable today. Conservative estimate at over the good > guy prices there is in excess of $30K worth of RC equipment, planes, kits, > tools etc. My ideal situation is an individual or several individuals buy > everything in one transaction, every nut, bolt, servo, plane, etc. I > don't need the money and should I sell out of the hobby I will most likely > split it amongst my 2 sons. At this time I am not interested in "cherry > pickers". Should I decide to sell each item to the highest bidder one at > a time I am quite capable of doing that using various outlets such as, > swap meets, RCU, Craiglist, Ebay ( I'm flht99b on Ebay. > > Just off the top of my head here are a few highlighted examples of what I > have : > > Radios: > Futaba 14mz, Futaba 12zap, Futaba 4 FM, Kraft series 80 7ch, Futaba and > Aitronics car radios > > RTF planes: > EMC2, 120 size Balsa Nova, Great planes Rapture, Goldberg Cub, Easy Fly 40 > trainer, The Nickster, YAK 54 electric ( 3s 2200mah size ), etc. > > Partially completed planes: > Terry Brox framed Symphony, 2 - original Bridi Kaos, World Models SPA > Intruder, Ikon W'st Monocoupe D145, Lou Perretti Fokker V29, etc. > > NIB engines: > Lazer 200 V Twin, YS 160DZ, YS 120AC, OS 91 Surpass, 2 ST 60 Blueheads, > 2 - OS 61 SF, ST 23, Clarence Lee PDP K&B .61, OS 45 FSR and more. > > Used engines: > 2 - OS Special Edition 61 FSR's, several ST 60 Blueheads, ST 23, K&B 6.5 > FIRE and more. > > Kits; > Tiger Tail, 2 - Dirty Birdy's, Cutlass Supreme, Compensator, Kraft Warlord > 40, Bridi 15-50, Hanson EMC and more. > > There is contest Balsa, Plans, 50+ rolls of mostly pre EPA Monokote, 2 - > Alpha 4 chargers, ThunderPower 1010C and 210V charger/balancer, Iota power > supply, over 20 NIB Futaba and JR coreless and Digital servos, 7 Futaba G3 > receivers, 2 Futaba R319DPS receivers. > Therre are both power and hand tools of every kind imaginable. Tuned pipes > ( aluminum and Carbon Fiber ) , CF landing gears, wheel pants, just about > every hardware piece every sold by the likes of Rocket City, Dubro, etc. > K&B Superpoxy paints, PPG paints, decals, Flight line equipment, etc. I > have 30+ gallons of fuel, mostly 30% with some 20% and 3 gallons of 10%. > There hasn't been a hobby shop I have visited that can compete with all > the stuff I accumulated. All I can say is if you are local to the > southeast, you'd have to see it all to believe it. > If you have a geniune interest I can be reached at 865-824-9429. Ed > Miller. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Again, I'd prefer to sell all as one transaction. > > Ed Miller 865-824-9429 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ed Miller" > To: "General pattern discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 7:50 AM > Subject: For Sale........Everything > > >> After several months of debating, I have decided to try and divest myself >> of the RC Hobby entirely. Several factors have played into this decision, >> most notably is the loss of passion for the sport. I've been in this >> sport for 40+ years and can honestly say I have "stuff" that dates back >> that far right up to present. Much of the "stuff" is of the pattern >> slant >> but there is also sport plane and RC cars and equipment. Everything I >> have is current and usable today. Conservative estimate at over the good >> guy prices there is in excess of $30K worth of RC equipment, planes, >> kits, >> tools etc. My ideal situation is an individual or several individuals >> buy >> everything in one transaction, every nut, bolt, servo, plane, etc. I >> don't need the money and should I sell out of the hobby I will most >> likely >> split it amongst my 2 sons. At this time I am not interested in "cherry >> pickers". Should I decide to sell each item to the highest bidder one at >> a time I am quite capable of doing that using various outlets such as, >> swap meets, RCU, Craiglist, Ebay ( I'm flht99b on Ebay. >> >> Just off the top of my head here are a few highlighted examples of what I >> have : >> >> Radios: >> Futaba 14mz, Futaba 12zap, Futaba 4 FM, Kraft series 80 7ch, Futaba and >> Aitronics car radios >> >> RTF planes: >> EMC2, 120 size Balsa Nova, Great planes Rapture, Goldberg Cub, Easy Fly >> 40 >> trainer, The Nickster, YAK 54 electric ( 3s 2200mah size ), etc. >> >> Partially completed planes: >> Terry Brox framed Symphony, 2 - original Bridi Kaos, World Models SPA >> Intruder, Ikon W'st Monocoupe D145, Lou Perretti Fokker V29, etc. >> >> NIB engines: >> Lazer 200 V Twin, YS 160DZ, YS 120AC, OS 91 Surpass, 2 ST 60 Blueheads, >> 2 - OS 61 SF, ST 23, Clarence Lee PDP K&B .61, OS 45 FSR and more. >> >> Used engines: >> 2 - OS Special Edition 61 FSR's, several ST 60 Blueheads, ST 23, K&B 6.5 >> FIRE and more. >> >> Kits; >> Tiger Tail, 2 - Dirty Birdy's, Cutlass Supreme, Compensator, Kraft >> Warlord >> 40, Bridi 15-50, Hanson EMC and more. >> >> There is contest Balsa, Plans, 50+ rolls of mostly pre EPA Monokote, 2 - >> Alpha 4 chargers, ThunderPower 1010C and 210V charger/balancer, Iota >> power >> supply, over 20 NIB Futaba and JR coreless and Digital servos, 7 Futaba >> G3 >> receivers, 2 Futaba R319DPS receivers. >> Therre are both power and hand tools of every kind imaginable. Tuned >> pipes >> ( aluminum and Carbon Fiber ) , CF landing gears, wheel pants, just about >> every hardware piece every sold by the likes of Rocket City, Dubro, etc. >> K&B Superpoxy paints, PPG paints, decals, Flight line equipment, etc. I >> have 30+ gallons of fuel, mostly 30% with some 20% and 3 gallons of 10%. >> There hasn't been a hobby shop I have visited that can compete with all >> the stuff I accumulated. All I can say is if you are local to the >> southeast, you'd have to see it all to believe it. >> If you have a geniune interest I can be reached at 865-824-9429. Ed >> Miller. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Nat ----- Original Message ----- From: Duane Beck To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm -------------- Original message -------------- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com Anyone know who invented the thing?? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Tue Oct 14 15:16:42 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:16:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: References: <101320081959.23794.48F3A8BA0003F53C00005CF22212059214050C0A0DD20AD20A020E9A0B@comcast.net> Message-ID: <61300450-43F8-4DE2-880D-DACAA8C1AE8D@cox.net> Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 (yuck, yuck, yuck). Ron VP On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > Interesting Duane. > BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > Nat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Duane Beck > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > > Anyone know who invented the thing?? > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From astafford at swtexas.net Tue Oct 14 15:22:44 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:22:44 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <61300450-43F8-4DE2-880D-DACAA8C1AE8D@cox.net> References: <101320081959.23794.48F3A8BA0003F53C00005CF22212059214050C0A0DD20AD20A020E9A0B@comcast.net> <61300450-43F8-4DE2-880D-DACAA8C1AE8D@cox.net> Message-ID: <78A42CCB23A24CA99D8D2786C698C56C@astafford> I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the Sand Box again.. -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 (yuck, yuck, yuck). Ron VP On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > Interesting Duane. > BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > Nat > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Duane Beck > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > > Anyone know who invented the thing?? > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From natpenton at centurytel.net Tue Oct 14 15:24:40 2008 From: natpenton at centurytel.net (Nat Penton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:24:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner References: <101320081959.23794.48F3A8BA0003F53C00005CF22212059214050C0A0DD20AD20A020E9A0B@comcast.net> <61300450-43F8-4DE2-880D-DACAA8C1AE8D@cox.net> Message-ID: It was a conductive issue for electrical engineers - to keep you charged. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > Ron VP > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > >> Interesting Duane. >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. >> Nat >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Duane Beck >> To: General pattern discussion >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner >> >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com >> >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From natpenton at centurytel.net Tue Oct 14 15:31:39 2008 From: natpenton at centurytel.net (Nat Penton) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:31:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner References: <101320081959.23794.48F3A8BA0003F53C00005CF22212059214050C0A0DD20AD20A020E9A0B@comcast.net><61300450-43F8-4DE2-880D-DACAA8C1AE8D@cox.net> <78A42CCB23A24CA99D8D2786C698C56C@astafford> Message-ID: We'll miss you. Stay low ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archie Stafford" To: "'General pattern discussion'" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the Sand Box > again.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van > Putte > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > Ron VP > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > >> Interesting Duane. >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. >> Nat >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Duane Beck >> To: General pattern discussion >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner >> >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com >> >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From rcmaster199 at aol.com Tue Oct 14 17:10:25 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:10:25 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> raking in the sand dollars a Arch? -----Original Message----- From: Nat Penton To: General pattern discussion Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner We'll miss you. Stay low ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archie Stafford" To: "'General pattern discussion'" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the Sand Box > again.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van > Putte > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > Ron VP > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > >> Interesting Duane. >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. >> Nat >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Duane Beck >> To: General pattern discussion >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner >> >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com >> >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From astafford at swtexas.net Tue Oct 14 17:18:37 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 01:18:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] [SPAM]Re: Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <7E2367899D9C445081DE4FF13FA54BF8@astafford> Raking in the sand....not sure about the rest...actually in Afghanistan and its not bad over here...boredom is the worst thing over here... -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 5:40 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [SPAM]Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner raking in the sand dollars a Arch? -----Original Message----- From: Nat Penton To: General pattern discussion Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner We'll miss you. Stay low ! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Archie Stafford" To: "'General pattern discussion'" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the Sand Box > again.. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van > Putte > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > Ron VP > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > >> Interesting Duane. >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. >> Nat >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Duane Beck >> To: General pattern discussion >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner >> >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm >> >> -------------- Original message -------------- >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com >> >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From precisionaero at hotmail.com Thu Oct 16 17:07:04 2008 From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:07:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Since this thread appears to have died, I have one thing to say. Commodore 64!> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner> > raking in the sand dollars a Arch?> > -----Original Message-----> From: Nat Penton > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner> > We'll miss you. Stay low !> ----- Original Message -----> From: "Archie Stafford" > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner> > > >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:)> >> > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the > Sand Box> > again..> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Van> > Putte> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM> > To: General pattern discussion> > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner> >> > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946> > (yuck, yuck, yuck).> >> > Ron VP> >> > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote:> >> >> Interesting Duane.> >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame.> >> Nat> >> ----- Original Message -----> >> From: Duane Beck> >> To: General pattern discussion> >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM> >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner> >>> >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's.> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History> >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm> >>> >> -------------- Original message --------------> >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com> >>> >> Anyone know who invented the thing??> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> >> _______________________________________________> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> >> > _______________________________________________> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> >> > _______________________________________________> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> >> > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgalligan at att.net Thu Oct 16 17:24:42 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:24:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: References: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: PacMan forever!..................................................................! ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cohen To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Since this thread appears to have died, I have one thing to say. Commodore 64! > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400 > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > raking in the sand dollars a Arch? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nat Penton > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > We'll miss you. Stay low ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archie Stafford" > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the > Sand Box > > again.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Van > > Putte > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > > To: General pattern discussion > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > > > Ron VP > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > > > >> Interesting Duane. > >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > >> Nat > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Duane Beck > >> To: General pattern discussion > >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > >> > >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > >> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > >> > >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get more out of the Web. 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Ok...so I don't have much of a life :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner PacMan forever!..................................................................! ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cohen To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Since this thread appears to have died, I have one thing to say. Commodore 64! > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400 > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > raking in the sand dollars a Arch? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nat Penton > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > We'll miss you. Stay low ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archie Stafford" > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the > Sand Box > > again.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Van > > Putte > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > > To: General pattern discussion > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > > > Ron VP > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > > > >> Interesting Duane. > >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > >> Nat > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Duane Beck > >> To: General pattern discussion > >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > >> > >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > >> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > >> > >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get more out of the Web. 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Commodore 64! > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400 > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > raking in the sand dollars a Arch? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nat Penton > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > We'll miss you. Stay low ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archie Stafford" > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the > Sand Box > > again.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Van > > Putte > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > > To: General pattern discussion > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > > > Ron VP > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > > > >> Interesting Duane. > >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > >> Nat > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Duane Beck > >> To: General pattern discussion > >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > >> > >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > >> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > >> > >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get more out of the Web. 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That was a great machine at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Frederick To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Apple II ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cohen To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Since this thread appears to have died, I have one thing to say. Commodore 64! > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400 > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > raking in the sand dollars a Arch? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nat Penton > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > We'll miss you. Stay low ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archie Stafford" > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the > Sand Box > > again.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Van > > Putte > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > > To: General pattern discussion > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > > > Ron VP > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > > > >> Interesting Duane. > >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > >> Nat > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Duane Beck > >> To: General pattern discussion > >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > >> > >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > >> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > >> > >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get more out of the Web. 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URL: From wgalligan at att.net Thu Oct 16 18:00:57 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:00:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <000e01c92ff9$3393dba0$0200a8c0@kencopepere> References: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com> <000e01c92ff9$3393dba0$0200a8c0@kencopepere> Message-ID: <068CC8039F554E47B3821C81E180A93B@WaynePC> actually I should have went back a touch further and said PONG forever.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Thompson To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Love PacMan!! wish I had a stand up maching in my apartment! Ok...so I don't have much of a life :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner PacMan forever!..................................................................! ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cohen To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Since this thread appears to have died, I have one thing to say. Commodore 64! > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400 > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > raking in the sand dollars a Arch? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nat Penton > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > We'll miss you. Stay low ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archie Stafford" > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the > Sand Box > > again.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Van > > Putte > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > > To: General pattern discussion > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > > > Ron VP > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > > > >> Interesting Duane. > >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > >> Nat > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Duane Beck > >> To: General pattern discussion > >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > >> > >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > >> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > >> > >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get more out of the Web. 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Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com Thu Oct 16 18:23:21 2008 From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (atwoodm at paragon-inc.com) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:23:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <004c01c92ffb$893f8cf0$51460a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> References: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com><07A25C9201E545D48C0B79A6DB5B0421@Mattmobile><004c01c92ffb$893f8cf0$51460a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <674215004-1224210196-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-313241690-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> OMG ... That's just so wrong Pete. I had several of those. I had successfully purged them from my memory until now. Way to go ... -M Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -----Original Message----- From: "Pete Cosky" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:56:13 To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From rgc1701 at earthlink.net Thu Oct 16 18:32:15 2008 From: rgc1701 at earthlink.net (Robert Campbell) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:32:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F537EFE8D974BA182F00CAA8FB5410F@SID500> Jason, It's probably OK. NiCad and NiMH charging is essentially the same, except with NiMH, the drop off after peaking is much more shallow, requiring a different logic to detect. The "wall wart isn't a peak detecting charger and it will damage any battery it overcharges, specifically, it shortens the life of the battery. If I remember correctly is about a 50 mah charge rate (charges a 500 mah battery in 10 hrs). That will take 50 hrs to completely charge a fully discharged 2500 mah cell. So, unless you're leaving your transmitter plugged in for several days at a time, it probably isn't hurting the battery any more than it will hurt a NiCad battery. I recommend switching to a peak detecting charger/cycler with a NiMH setting. With proper monitoring, you'll see trouble developing before it becomes serious. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "NSRCA" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:22 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger >I just realized that the battery in my 9C is a 2500 NiMH, but have been >charging it with my standard Futaba NiCD wall charger. Any > reason to worry? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 > 7:38 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From vanputte at cox.net Thu Oct 16 18:46:12 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 02:46:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6427DA02-BD42-4047-966B-E0600F1D1B51@cox.net> My personal opinion is that it's probably better than many other ways to charge it. The 10C Futaba "wall wart" charger charges both nicad and NiMH 4.8 volt packs at the same low rate of 100ma. I am a little concerned that packing more mah into the same size cells is accomplished at least partly by thinner insulation within the cell. Charging at the high rates possible with some field chargers in this situation is just asking for compromise of the insulation. Maybe someone with more knowledge of these high mah cells can confirm or refute what I wrote. Ron Van Putte On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:22 PM, JShulman wrote: > I just realized that the battery in my 9C is a 2500 NiMH, but have > been charging it with my standard Futaba NiCD wall charger. Any > reason to worry? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: > 10/16/2008 7:38 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From DaveL322 at comcast.net Thu Oct 16 19:32:38 2008 From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:32:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <674215004-1224210196-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-313241690-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com><07A25C9201E545D48C0B79A6DB5B0421@Mattmobile><004c01c92ffb$893f8cf0$51460a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> <674215004-1224210196-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-313241690-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: TI-99 4A (I think......I know Parsec and Munch-Man rocked!!!) Dave -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of atwoodm at paragon-inc.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner OMG ... That's just so wrong Pete. I had several of those. I had successfully purged them from my memory until now. Way to go ... -M Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -----Original Message----- From: "Pete Cosky" Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:56:13 To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From bob at toprudder.com Thu Oct 16 19:33:19 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:33:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger In-Reply-To: <6427DA02-BD42-4047-966B-E0600F1D1B51@cox.net> Message-ID: <988176.96660.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> It is typical to charge a NiMh or Nicad pack at C/10, so this would be 250ma for the 2500mah pack. That being said, I would not charge at that rate with a standard wall wart or a fixed charge rate charger of any kind - with the battery in the radio. I would remove the battery if I were charging at that rate. The reason is that once all the cells have come up to full capacity, the current does nothing but develop heat, in this case close to 3 watts. It will be very warm to the touch! Most Futaba radios (if not all) come with diode protection. Taking the battery out of the radio allows you to bypass that diode. Some peak chargers will work through a diode, some won't. I have an Accucyle Elite that I like for this purpose. I will charge at a C/10 or C/5 rate then have it drop back to a lower rate (maybe 50ma) once the peak charge is done. This tells me how much it puts back into the pack, but the continued lower charge helps to equalize the cells without causing much heat. I may occasionally peak charge my batteries at a higher rate, but nothing beats a long charge at a low rate for equalizing all the cells. Constant peak charging (with a charger that does not continue afterwards at a lower rate) can lead to unequal charge state of the individual cells. I have some Futaba wall warts that charge the transmitter at 70ma, and some older ones that charge at 50ma. I would not hesitate to use those to charge the 9C, but keep in mind it will take many more hours to fully charge the batteries. Some would say that the battery would never reach full charge, but as long as the charge rate is higher than the self discharge rate of the battery, it will eventually reach full charge. JMHO. Bob R. Ron Van Putte wrote: My personal opinion is that it's probably better than many other ways to charge it. The 10C Futaba "wall wart" charger charges both nicad and NiMH 4.8 volt packs at the same low rate of 100ma. I am a little concerned that packing more mah into the same size cells is accomplished at least partly by thinner insulation within the cell. Charging at the high rates possible with some field chargers in this situation is just asking for compromise of the insulation. Maybe someone with more knowledge of these high mah cells can confirm or refute what I wrote. Ron Van Putte On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:22 PM, JShulman wrote: > I just realized that the battery in my 9C is a 2500 NiMH, but have > been charging it with my standard Futaba NiCD wall charger. Any > reason to worry? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: > 10/16/2008 7:38 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Oct 16 21:25:46 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:25:46 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger References: Message-ID: <002701c93018$c1eaaae0$9501a8c0@GW7422> Nope, it's not a peak charger. No problem there BUT... I WOULD worry about the charge ratef. You want it to be close to 1/10C for an overnight charge. It probably isn't. In that case you may not be getting a full charge even if you leave it on charge for a LONG time. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "NSRCA" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:22 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger >I just realized that the battery in my 9C is a 2500 NiMH, but have been >charging it with my standard Futaba NiCD wall charger. Any > reason to worry? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 > 7:38 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Fri Oct 17 03:15:02 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:15:02 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner In-Reply-To: <004c01c92ffb$893f8cf0$51460a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <9B7CFF7E624B446FA930FB0E0D40B08B@jaysdesktop> Had one of those. Only problem was that a hard drive was only 5 MB and cost a fortune. Also had a home built Radio Shack Color Computer - wire wrapped board. The complete schematic was in the Motorola manual for the 6809 CPU. Stole the prom code from another machine. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:56 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner DEC Rainbow running CPM. That was a great machine at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Frederick To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Apple II ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cohen To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Since this thread appears to have died, I have one thing to say. Commodore 64! > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400 > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > raking in the sand dollars a Arch? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nat Penton > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > We'll miss you. Stay low ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archie Stafford" > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the > Sand Box > > again.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Van > > Putte > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > > To: General pattern discussion > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > > > Ron VP > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > > > >> Interesting Duane. > >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > >> Nat > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Duane Beck > >> To: General pattern discussion > >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > >> > >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > >> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > >> > >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. Learn Now _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at radiosouthrc.com Fri Oct 17 03:46:09 2008 From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 11:46:09 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jason: You haven't hurt anything, but you are not getting a full charge, even if you leave it on for a week. You need to try to stay around the c/10 rate of 250ma. Tony Stillman, President Radio South, Inc. 139 Altama Connector, Box 322 Brunswick, GA 31525 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: NSRCA Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger I just realized that the battery in my 9C is a 2500 NiMH, but have been charging it with my standard Futaba NiCD wall charger. Any reason to worry? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From pcosky at comcast.net Fri Oct 17 04:07:09 2008 From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 12:07:09 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner References: <9B7CFF7E624B446FA930FB0E0D40B08B@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: <002401c93050$dd71cef0$51460a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Go back a couple more years to the days of 1 MB Winchester hard drives which were HUGE and expensive. Now I have users filling 120 GB drives. If you wanted to home brew a machine or something there was the Heathkit stuff. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Marshall To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 7:14 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Had one of those. Only problem was that a hard drive was only 5 MB and cost a fortune. Also had a home built Radio Shack Color Computer - wire wrapped board. The complete schematic was in the Motorola manual for the 6809 CPU. Stole the prom code from another machine. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:56 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner DEC Rainbow running CPM. That was a great machine at the time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Frederick To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:51 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Apple II ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cohen To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner Since this thread appears to have died, I have one thing to say. Commodore 64! > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:09:56 -0400 > From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > raking in the sand dollars a Arch? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nat Penton > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 7:31 pm > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > We'll miss you. Stay low ! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Archie Stafford" > To: "'General pattern discussion'" > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > >I think Nat mis typed..I'm sure he meant 1846....:) > > > > Going to miss you at Crowley this year...unfortunately I'm in the > Sand Box > > again.. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron > Van > > Putte > > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 3:47 AM > > To: General pattern discussion > > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > > Gee. I didn't know that aluminum had even been invented in 1946 > > (yuck, yuck, yuck). > > > > Ron VP > > > > On Oct 14, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Nat Penton wrote: > > > >> Interesting Duane. > >> BTY, I purchased my slide rule in 1946. It has an aluminum frame. > >> Nat > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Duane Beck > >> To: General pattern discussion > >> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:59 PM > >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > >> > >> Apparently, William Oughtred in the 1630's. > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slide_ruler#History > >> http://mysite.du.edu/~jcalvert/tech/slidrul.htm > >> > >> -------------- Original message -------------- > >> From: rcmaster199 at aol.com > >> > >> Anyone know who invented the thing?? > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Get more out of the Web. 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URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Fri Oct 17 05:51:00 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 13:51:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAFE767A132E1A-1008-416@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> None -----Original Message----- From: JShulman <jshulman at cfl.rr.com> To: NSRCA <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:22 pm Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger I just realized that the battery in my 9C is a 2500 NiMH, but have been charging it with my standard Futaba NiCD wall charger. Any reason to worry? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schale at optonline.net Fri Oct 17 06:02:49 2008 From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:02:49 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements In-Reply-To: <8CAFC259BCD1ED7-1670-1E4@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> References: <101320081819.10377.48F3912E000ED59F0000288922165258060C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> <8CAFC259BCD1ED7-1670-1E4@FWM-D14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <48F89AE7.1040309@optonline.net> I didn't see any responses. I have the prior version of the aeroperfect meter. Single axis and accurate to .05 degrees I think. I like it a lot. The most accurate meter I have used for incidence and surface deflection. It is not a level. Surfaces can be compared to each other or a table surface but it does not check for being level. Readings are very repeatable. It would be nice if the sensing unit were a little lighter when attaching to movable surfaces. Mine has the display with it. Not sure it can hook up to a laptop as the new one does. Stuart rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: > Has anyone used this gadget for measuring the various angles we measure? > > http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1030 > > MattK > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > From drykert2 at rochester.rr.com Fri Oct 17 06:20:12 2008 From: drykert2 at rochester.rr.com (Del) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 14:20:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner References: <8CAFC79DF35247F-1E68-30B4@FWM-D03.sysops.aol.com><07A25C9201E545D48C0B79A6DB5B0421@Mattmobile><004c01c92ffb$893f8cf0$51460a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com><674215004-1224210196-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-313241690-@bxe138.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <63EDE102F9DC4D6FB9533F2B3687FA96@ownerayn17ov1d> As per my recollection "Nothing Finer than a TI 99er.." Still probably have that memorably around here somewhere.. lol Del ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" To: ; "'General pattern discussion'" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 11:26 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > TI-99 4A (I think......I know Parsec and Munch-Man rocked!!!) > > Dave > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of > atwoodm at paragon-inc.com > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:23 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > OMG ... That's just so wrong Pete. I had several of those. I had > successfully purged them from my memory until now. Way to go ... > > -M > Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Pete Cosky" > > Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:56:13 > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Slide Ruler,,,,was Art Wagner > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1730 - Release Date: 10/17/2008 8:07 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Fri Oct 17 07:44:22 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 15:44:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements In-Reply-To: <48F89AE7.1040309@optonline.net> References: <48F89AE7.1040309@optonline.net> Message-ID: <8CAFE86519C5F24-120C-544@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Stuart. Looked pretty good from the magazine article however, as is often the case with such things, one has to account for the author's experience (unknown in this case) ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:02 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements I didn't see any responses. I have the prior version of the aeroperfect meter. Single axis and accurate to .05 degrees I think. I like it a lot. The most accurate meter I have used for incidence and surface deflection. It is not a level. Surfaces can be compared to each other or a table surface but it does not check for being level. Readings are very repeatable. It would be nice if the sensing unit were a little lighter when attaching to movable surfaces.? Mine has the display with it. Not sure it can hook up to a laptop as the new one does.? ? Stuart? ? rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:? > Has anyone used this gadget for measuring the various angles we measure?? >? > http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1030? >? > MattK? >? > _______________________________________________? > NSRCA-discussion mailing list? > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? >? >? > ? _______________________________________________? 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URL: From maderasmadeplus at prodigy.net.mx Fri Oct 17 12:13:00 2008 From: maderasmadeplus at prodigy.net.mx (maderas madeplus) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:13:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901c93094$b5dc0c40$219424c0$@net.mx> And with 10 hours? -----Mensaje original----- De: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] En nombre de Tony Enviado el: viernes, 17 de octubre de 2008 06:46 a.m. Para: 'General pattern discussion' Asunto: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger Jason: You haven't hurt anything, but you are not getting a full charge, even if you leave it on for a week. You need to try to stay around the c/10 rate of 250ma. Tony Stillman, President Radio South, Inc. 139 Altama Connector, Box 322 Brunswick, GA 31525 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: NSRCA Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger I just realized that the battery in my 9C is a 2500 NiMH, but have been charging it with my standard Futaba NiCD wall charger. Any reason to worry? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From tony at radiosouthrc.com Fri Oct 17 12:40:38 2008 From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony) Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:40:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, at least 10 if the pack is totally drained. A c/10 rate does not give 100% of the charge rate into the battery pack. More like 60%. That's why an overnight charge is 12-16 hours. If the pack is just down the normal amount from a day's flying say 5 flights, 10 hours is more than enough! Tony Stillman, President Radio South, Inc. 139 Altama Connector, Box 322 Brunswick, GA 31525 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com -----Original Message----- From: maderas madeplus [mailto:maderasmadeplus at prodigy.net.mx] Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 4:12 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger And with 10 hours? -----Mensaje original----- De: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] En nombre de Tony Enviado el: viernes, 17 de octubre de 2008 06:46 a.m. Para: 'General pattern discussion' Asunto: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger Jason: You haven't hurt anything, but you are not getting a full charge, even if you leave it on for a week. You need to try to stay around the c/10 rate of 250ma. Tony Stillman, President Radio South, Inc. 139 Altama Connector, Box 322 Brunswick, GA 31525 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:23 PM To: NSRCA Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] charging NiMH with NiCD charger I just realized that the battery in my 9C is a 2500 NiMH, but have been charging it with my standard Futaba NiCD wall charger. Any reason to worry? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1728 - Release Date: 10/16/2008 7:38 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From tschmidt at classicnet.net Sun Oct 19 16:03:28 2008 From: tschmidt at classicnet.net (tschmidt at classicnet.net) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 00:03:28 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] tEST Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no.?LOL ? John Pavlick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgalligan at att.net Mon Oct 20 14:11:45 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 22:11:45 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? In-Reply-To: <217165.36987.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <217165.36987.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8B775C5B11E048629969E5E96B02AD00@WaynePC> naaa auh.... I was just busy out practicing with my friends from Tomball Tx with a 15.5 lb un-muffled 27% Ultimate. Wayno ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Well, judging from the amount of activity on the list lately it looks as if Pattern is finally dead. Maybe we should have abolished the weight rule... Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no. LOL John Pavlick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tkeithblack at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 15:21:56 2008 From: tkeithblack at gmail.com (Keith Black) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:21:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? In-Reply-To: <217165.36987.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <217165.36987.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: No, we should just abolish winter and the off-season. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Well, judging from the amount of activity on the list lately it looks as if Pattern is finally dead. Maybe we should have abolished the weight rule... Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no. LOL John Pavlick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joddino at socal.rr.com Mon Oct 20 15:46:45 2008 From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:46:45 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Lancaster in October.... Priceless Message-ID: <17176629-A226-499E-AA96-7AA69E153398@socal.rr.com> IMG_0115.JPG -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0115.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 27453 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Mon Oct 20 15:59:39 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 23:59:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? In-Reply-To: <217165.36987.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <217165.36987.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Been out flying my new helicopter every chance I get!!! :-) YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!!!! JLK Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:09:40 -0700From: jpavlick at idseng.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Well, judging from the amount of activity on the list lately it looks as if Pattern is finally dead. Maybe we should have abolished the weight rule... Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no. LOL John Pavlick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cchariandy at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 20 16:19:56 2008 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 00:19:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <359568.53357.qm@web31301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'd like?to get a new park flyer practice plane. Has anyone seen the new SebArt Angel 30? Looks really cool...even has a T-can. Looking for one in N/America. ? Colin. --- On Mon, 10/20/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? To: jpavlick at idseng.com, nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Received: Monday, October 20, 2008, 7:59 PM #yiv586908714 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv586908714 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Been out flying my new helicopter every chance I get!!! :-) YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaw!!!! JLK Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 13:09:40 -0700 From: jpavlick at idseng.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Well, judging from the amount of activity on the list lately it looks?as if?Pattern is finally dead. Maybe we should have abolished the weight rule... Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no.?LOL ? John Pavlick_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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URL: From vicenterc at comcast.net Tue Oct 21 07:21:57 2008 From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 15:21:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Brady Jacobson(19yo) Charity Raffle Message-ID: <102120081521.21768.48FDF3900007B8240000550822155688840C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Hello all, I just want to pass the e-mail below. This is to help an IMAC pilot. He is just 19 years old. Regards, -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "danpow1973" To: mini-iac at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SA] Brady Jacobson(19yo) Charity Raffle Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:35:49 +0000 All, There is a young man and family in need. He is an IMAC Flyer. He and I was involved in a serious car accident on the way to fly foamy's one night details can be found on his website http://www.brady3d.com They are holding a charity raffle for him this weekend at the SC Regional Championship tickets can be purchased via Pay-Pal and are $10 each. There is a Wild Hare Ultmate DA-150 and various other prizes. Details on the raffle can be found here. http://www.flyinggiants.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31999&goto=newpost Brady has an awsome family and they have been real contribuitors to The IMAC and RC Community. They are defibnatly in need and any help would be appriciated. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Calendar Subscribe: mini-iac-subscribe at yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe: mini-iac-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com This list is in no way affiliated with IMAC or it's membership. Views discussed here should not be construed as official news or views. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 1New Members Visit Your Group Y! 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G ---- Charles Hochhalter wrote: ============= Guys, please help me support this benefit raffle! $10 per ticketPaypal: cahochhalter at yahoo.com ph 210-842-5031Checks to: Chuck Hochhalter 5811 Liberty Bell San Antonio, TX 78233Prizes include: DA150, Wildhare Ultimate 50cc, Sebart Katanas 30,3dHobbyShop AJ Slick 50cc, TNT LandingGear, Smart-fly, QQ102" $200 Gift certificate, Microfasteners, Aeroworks Edge .60-.90?This is to raise funds for medical expenses suffered by Brady Jacobson,www.brady3d.com??? From jpavlick at idseng.com Tue Oct 21 16:40:17 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:40:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? References: <217165.36987.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004001c933de$bd940300$9501a8c0@GW7422> Don't think of it as the "off-season". Think of it as the re-grouping / re-thinking or better yet BUILDING season! VBG John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Black To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? No, we should just abolish winter and the off-season. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Well, judging from the amount of activity on the list lately it looks as if Pattern is finally dead. Maybe we should have abolished the weight rule... Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no. 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VBG John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Black To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? No, we should just abolish winter and the off-season. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Well, judging from the amount of activity on the list lately it looks as if Pattern is finally dead. Maybe we should have abolished the weight rule... Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no. LOL John Pavlick _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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VBG John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Black To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? No, we should just abolish winter and the off-season. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Well, judging from the amount of activity on the list lately it looks as if Pattern is finally dead. Maybe we should have abolished the weight rule... Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no. LOL John Pavlick _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 9:10 AM From johnfuqua at embarqmail.com Tue Oct 21 17:41:15 2008 From: johnfuqua at embarqmail.com (John Fuqua) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 01:41:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009701c933e7$42707ce0$7101a8c0@ltm733c31251f5> Jason What kind of outrunner. I need more speed for windy weather. How was the Columbia Nats -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:01 PM To: NSRCA Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to practice. Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A outrunner and controller in a few months, along with some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see what we can do. Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 9:10 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 21 18:09:53 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 02:09:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Brady Jacobson(19yo) Charity Raffle In-Reply-To: <102120081521.21768.48FDF3900007B8240000550822155688840C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: <824749.6416.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for letting us know about this Vicente!! Chris ? ? ? --- On Tue, 10/21/08, vicenterc at comcast.net wrote: From: vicenterc at comcast.net Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Brady Jacobson(19yo) Charity Raffle To: "NSRCA" Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 8:21 AM Hello all, ? I just want to pass the e-mail below.? This is to help an IMAC pilot.? He is just 19 years old.? ? Regards, ? -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone ? -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- From: "danpow1973" To: mini-iac at yahoogroups.com Subject: [SA] Brady Jacobson(19yo) Charity Raffle Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:35:49 +0000 All, There is a young man and family in need. He is an IMAC Flyer. He and I was involved in a serious car accident on the way to fly foamy's one night details can be found on his website http://www.brady3d. com They are holding a charity raffle for him this weekend at the SC Regional Championship tickets can be purchased via Pay-Pal and are $10 each. There is a Wild Hare Ultmate DA-150 and various other prizes. Details on the raffle can be found here. http://www.flyinggi ants.com/ forums/showthrea d.php?t=31999& goto=newpost Brady has an awsome family and they have been real contribuitors to The IMAC and RC Community. They are defibnatly in need and any help would be appriciated. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Data base | Calendar ? Subscribe:??? mini-iac-subscribe at yahoogroups.com ? Unsubscribe:? mini-iac-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com This list is in no way affiliated with IMAC or it's membership. Views discussed here should not be construed as official news or views. Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity ?1 New MembersVisit Your Group Y! Sports for TV Access it for free Get Fantasy Sports stats on your TV. Yahoo! Finance It's Now Personal Guides, news, advice & more. New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Yahoo! Search. . __,_._,___ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Tue Oct 21 19:10:17 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 03:10:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? In-Reply-To: <102220080051.18356.48FE78FA0007ECED000047B422155863940C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> References: <102220080051.18356.48FE78FA0007ECED000047B422155863940C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CB020AD01103C8-950-107E@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com> Kudos to whoever came up with the new Master schedule.... I've got it down on only 2 gallons of fuel; it just flows nicely. The fact that it's the only 2 gallons I've flown this year is irrelevent (actually 4 gallons but who's counting... the first 2 gallons were spent on the old which I never got) ? It is, shall we say, not only easy to manage but easy to Master. Expect nothing but 9.5 on everything ( I would've said 10's but that's too greedy) ? You Top Master Wiennies better watch out; you're gonna have a lot of company (VBG) ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: vicenterc at comcast.net To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; NSRCA Discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 7:51 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? I know what is going on.? Everybody is trying to manage the new?Master schedule.? No time for e-mails. ? -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone ? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "John Pavlick" <jpavlick at idseng.com> Don't think of it as the "off-season". Think of it as the re-grouping / re-thinking or better yet BUILDING season! VBG ? John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Black To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? No, we should just abolish winter and the off-season. ? Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Well, judging from the amount of activity on the list lately it looks?as if?Pattern is finally dead. Maybe we should have abolished the weight rule... Or stopped putting snaps and spins in the schedules... Or made the planes smaller, or larger, or something! Oh no.?LOL ? John Pavlick _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Attached Message From: John Pavlick <jpavlick at idseng.com> To: NSRCA Discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Is Pattern Dead? Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 00:41:06 +0000 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joddino at socal.rr.com Tue Oct 21 20:15:36 2008 From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:15:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: <009701c933e7$42707ce0$7101a8c0@ltm733c31251f5> References: <009701c933e7$42707ce0$7101a8c0@ltm733c31251f5> Message-ID: <2FD06B50-FCAD-40F2-8D25-D942F5B24F6B@socal.rr.com> John, the weak link in the system is still the batteries. You can pump a lot of power through many of the outrunners but it will kill the batteries very quickly. Jim O On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:41 PM, John Fuqua wrote: > Jason > What kind of outrunner. I need more speed for windy weather. How > was the > Columbia Nats > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of > JShulman > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:01 PM > To: NSRCA > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will > have an > F3A outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at > the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: > 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jpavlick at idseng.com Tue Oct 21 20:59:38 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 04:59:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... References: <009701c933e7$42707ce0$7101a8c0@ltm733c31251f5> <2FD06B50-FCAD-40F2-8D25-D942F5B24F6B@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <008d01c93402$e8229810$9501a8c0@GW7422> Jim, It's more effective to pump fuel through an IC engine. No weak link in that system anywhere! LOL John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Oddino" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > John, the weak link in the system is still the batteries. You can pump a > lot of power through many of the outrunners but it will kill the > batteries very quickly. > > Jim O > > On Oct 21, 2008, at 6:41 PM, John Fuqua wrote: > >> Jason >> What kind of outrunner. I need more speed for windy weather. How was >> the >> Columbia Nats >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman >> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:01 PM >> To: NSRCA >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... >> >> How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to >> practice. >> >> Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have >> an >> F3A outrunner and controller in a few months, along with >> some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. >> >> My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the >> least, >> to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see >> what we can do. >> >> Regards, >> Jason >> www.jasonshulman.com >> www.shulmanaviation.com >> www.composite-arf.com >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: >> 10/21/2008 >> 9:10 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com Wed Oct 22 05:02:22 2008 From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Mark Atwood) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:02:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Wed Oct 22 05:33:39 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:33:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D2 Championships Message-ID: <813109CD58A14BD397C2E7CECB32EB4E@jaysdesktop> Did the contest take place on the 18th and 19th? What were the results? Jay Marshall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mkmsg at cox.net Wed Oct 22 08:36:52 2008 From: mkmsg at cox.net (MKMSG) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:36:52 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... References: Message-ID: Regarding carbon gear.....it would be good to have a choice between swept back and straight legs. The length of the Bolly Long is about right for electric prop clearance. Mike Moritko ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Atwood" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're > still going to be able to get the gator stuff). > > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > >> How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to >> practice. >> >> Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have >> an F3A >> outrunner and controller in a few months, along with >> some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. >> >> My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the >> least, >> to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see >> what we can do. >> >> Regards, >> Jason >> www.jasonshulman.com >> www.shulmanaviation.com >> www.composite-arf.com >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: >> 10/21/2008 >> 9:10 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From jonlowe at aol.com Wed Oct 22 08:43:00 2008 From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:43:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Message-ID: Concur on the landing gear. Big hole was left when ES stopped producing gears. Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Mark Atwood Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From cahochhalter at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 08:59:17 2008 From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com (Charles Hochhalter) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 16:59:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Brady Jacobson Benefit Raffle Message-ID: <999978.93779.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I included the address and payment infomation. Thanks --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Charles Hochhalter wrote: From: Charles Hochhalter Subject: Brady Jacobson Benefit Raffle To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 4:18 PM I want to thank those who have contributed to the raffle already and challenge those who are thinking about it.... ? You DO NOT have to be present to win. ? $10 from almost every member of the NSRCA would make this benefit truely AMAZING!! ? Here is a list of the prizes.. DA150 Wildhare 50cc Ultimate AJ Slick 50 Sebart KatanaS 30e QQ 102" $200 gift certificate Wings Bags and Props Bags Smart-Fly Micro-Fasteners 3DHobbyShop Pilot Figure Horizon Hobbies Tnt Landing Gear Props Hobbico Charger Quick Charger ? Please send?checks to Chuck Hochhalter 5811 Liberty Bell San Antonio, TX 78233 ? Or?pay by PayPal?to cahochhalter at yahoo.com ? Please contact me at cahochhalter at yahoo.com or call 210-842-5031 ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From gfowler at raytheon.com Wed Oct 22 09:32:46 2008 From: gfowler at raytheon.com (Gray E Fowler) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:32:46 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Interesting about the need for landing gear. Lance and I from AeroSlave have conteplated making gear. Personnally I have an ES and we chose not design and fab CF gear because the ES was a good price, good weight. I was unaware the ES has ceased making the gear. If I had to guess ES stopped due to not enough money to be made, probably due to the people wanting replacements due to breaking or just not enough profit margin at $75. I have looked at many different types of CF gear and the one thing they all had in common was some type of design flaw. These various flaws were a result of composite design ignorance or, a tough choice that had to be made to keep fab costs low. So the question is...how much would a pattern dude pay for a lightweight CF landing gear that would never break under normal use? It can be done, but is the market there? $100 ? $150 ? $175 ? I would guess that a majority will choke on a $100 cost, and obviously, a $75 price tag (ES) is not sustainable as a business. Gray Fowler Senior Principal Chemical Engineer Radomes and Specialty Apertures Technical Staff Composites Engineering Raytheon Jon Lowe Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 10/22/2008 11:44 AM Please respond to General pattern discussion To General pattern discussion cc Subject Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Concur on the landing gear. Big hole was left when ES stopped producing gears. Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Mark Atwood Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Wed Oct 22 09:45:02 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:45:02 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio In-Reply-To: <196295.55441.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <196295.55441.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6477C197-5A14-4A90-B58D-D5FDE17C74AF@cox.net> I have two of these 9ZAP transmitters and am planning to switch them to 2.4 GHz by using the FASST 7-channel transmitter module in one and the 8-channel transmitter module in the other. That way all my airplanes' data is available immediately and I don't have to learn how to program the new 10C I have had for two months. Lazy? Yes. Ron Van Putte On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, John Pavlick wrote: > Guys, > If anyone you know is looking for a good used transmitter - I'm > ready to part with my trusty Futaba 9ZAP. Its in excellent > condition. Recently serviced by Radio South. I will include a case > and some accessories as well. This would be great for someone who > wants to upgrade from a sport radio (i.e. Sportsman / Intermediate > pilot). Contact me off-list if interested- I'll send pic's and prices. > > John Pavlick > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From pcosky at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 10:32:35 2008 From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:32:35 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about References: Message-ID: <002501c93474$81fb23a0$4658550a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> If the majority will not pay $100 then the simple economics dictate the price is too high to make it viable. If you made a set of gear markedly lighter than the Bolly or ES gear and could guarantee the gear would not break in normal usage you might get your $100 from the pattern community. the next question is given the market segment you are going after at what point will you have saturated the market and have excess stock sitting on the shelf? If the weight savings were substantial for a set of gear for an electric 2 meter plane you might see a few guys buy your gear as replacements. Just my thoughts on the subject. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gray E Fowler To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about Interesting about the need for landing gear. Lance and I from AeroSlave have conteplated making gear. Personnally I have an ES and we chose not design and fab CF gear because the ES was a good price, good weight. I was unaware the ES has ceased making the gear. If I had to guess ES stopped due to not enough money to be made, probably due to the people wanting replacements due to breaking or just not enough profit margin at $75. I have looked at many different types of CF gear and the one thing they all had in common was some type of design flaw. These various flaws were a result of composite design ignorance or, a tough choice that had to be made to keep fab costs low. So the question is...how much would a pattern dude pay for a lightweight CF landing gear that would never break under normal use? It can be done, but is the market there? $100 ? $150 ? $175 ? I would guess that a majority will choke on a $100 cost, and obviously, a $75 price tag (ES) is not sustainable as a business. Gray Fowler Senior Principal Chemical Engineer Radomes and Specialty Apertures Technical Staff Composites Engineering Raytheon Jon Lowe Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 10/22/2008 11:44 AM Please respond to General pattern discussion To General pattern discussion cc Subject Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Concur on the landing gear. Big hole was left when ES stopped producing gears. Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Mark Atwood Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Wed Oct 22 10:32:37 2008 From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:32:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081022133233.8D3BD.299815.root@Web03> Gray, I would be happy to pay 100 bucks for a durable, light weight gear set. The beauty of the ES gear was their length to weight ratio. I couldn't get any of the "long ES gear" so I had to run the standards on my BMV3's and the prop touches on anything but the smoooooothest of landings. So I'm pretty much running a 191/2 X 15 rather than the nominal 20X15 . Bolly Gear is significantly heavier and though "thicker" doesn't seem to be any more durable than the ligher ES's. ---- Gray E Fowler wrote: ============= Interesting about the need for landing gear. Lance and I from AeroSlave have conteplated making gear. Personnally I have an ES and we chose not design and fab CF gear because the ES was a good price, good weight. I was unaware the ES has ceased making the gear. If I had to guess ES stopped due to not enough money to be made, probably due to the people wanting replacements due to breaking or just not enough profit margin at $75. I have looked at many different types of CF gear and the one thing they all had in common was some type of design flaw. These various flaws were a result of composite design ignorance or, a tough choice that had to be made to keep fab costs low. So the question is...how much would a pattern dude pay for a lightweight CF landing gear that would never break under normal use? It can be done, but is the market there? $100 ? $150 ? $175 ? I would guess that a majority will choke on a $100 cost, and obviously, a $75 price tag (ES) is not sustainable as a business. Gray Fowler Senior Principal Chemical Engineer Radomes and Specialty Apertures Technical Staff Composites Engineering Raytheon Jon Lowe Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 10/22/2008 11:44 AM Please respond to General pattern discussion To General pattern discussion cc Subject Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Concur on the landing gear. Big hole was left when ES stopped producing gears. Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Mark Atwood Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 22 10:49:30 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:49:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: What kind of control horns? Carbon gear... check Wing and stab adjusters... check Anything else? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 22 10:50:58 2008 From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:50:58 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: <20081022133233.8D3BD.299815.root@Web03> References: <20081022133233.8D3BD.299815.root@Web03> Message-ID: Hi Gray, Hope you are doing well. I paid $105 for the replacement gear for my Genesis since they are longer and lighter than the currently unavailable Bolly. Anthony > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 13:32:33 -0500> From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about> > Gray,> > I would be happy to pay 100 bucks for a durable, light weight gear set. The beauty of the ES gear was their length to weight ratio. I couldn't get any of the "long ES gear" so I had to run the standards on my BMV3's and the prop touches on anything but the smoooooothest of landings. So I'm pretty much running a 191/2 X 15 rather than the nominal 20X15 . Bolly Gear is significantly heavier and though "thicker" doesn't seem to be any more durable than the ligher ES's.> > > ---- Gray E Fowler wrote: > > =============> Interesting about the need for landing gear. Lance and I from AeroSlave > have conteplated making gear. Personnally I have an ES and we chose not > design and fab CF gear because the ES was a good price, good weight. I > was unaware the ES has ceased making the gear. If I had to guess ES > stopped due to not enough money to be made, probably due to the people > wanting replacements due to breaking or just not enough profit margin at > $75.> I have looked at many different types of CF gear and the one thing they > all had in common was some type of design flaw. These various flaws were a > result of composite design ignorance or, a tough choice that had to be > made to keep fab costs low. So the question is...how much would a pattern > dude pay for a lightweight CF landing gear that would never break under > normal use? It can be done, but is the market there?> > $100 ?> $150 ?> $175 ?> > I would guess that a majority will choke on a $100 cost, and obviously, a > $75 price tag (ES) is not sustainable as a business. > > > > > Gray Fowler> Senior Principal Chemical Engineer> Radomes and Specialty Apertures> Technical Staff Composites Engineering> Raytheon> > > > Jon Lowe > Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org> 10/22/2008 11:44 AM> Please respond to> General pattern discussion > > > To> General pattern discussion > cc> > Subject> Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow...> > > > > > > Concur on the landing gear. Big hole was left when ES stopped producing > gears.> > Jon Lowe> > -----Original Message-----> From: Mark Atwood > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM> To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow...> > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're> still going to be able to get the gator stuff).> > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote:> > > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to> > practice.> > > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have > an F3A> > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with> > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs.> > > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the > least,> > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see> > what we can do.> > > > Regards,> > Jason> > www.jasonshulman.com> > www.shulmanaviation.com> > www.composite-arf.com> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: > 10/21/2008> > 9:10 AM> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > > > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: canopy latch that is cheaper than the Mk and more robust than the BVM > From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:50:45 -0400> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow...> > What kind of control horns?> Carbon gear... check> Wing and stab adjusters... check> > Anything else?> > Regards,> Jason> www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com> www.composite-arf.com> > > -----Original Message-----> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM> To: General pattern discussion> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow...> > > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're> still going to be able to get the gator stuff).> > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote:> > > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to> > practice.> > > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A> > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with> > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs.> > > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least,> > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see> > what we can do.> > > > Regards,> > Jason> > www.jasonshulman.com> > www.shulmanaviation.com> > www.composite-arf.com> > > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008> > 9:10 AM> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Wed Oct 22 11:06:27 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:06:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <871440.31642.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason, ?I just use 6-32 threaded rod with DuBro aileron links. The problem with this is that since the aileron links place the holes for the clevis' really close to the rod, you have?a problem getting the hole over the hinge line sometimes. I've also used Sullivan S566?6-32 adjustable horns. These place the hole 3/4" from the threaded rod. Better, but sometimes that's too long. I think?if you made?one with a 1/2" offset?and one with a 3/4" offset?it would cover just about any setup. Also, a light-weight (nylon) "nut" for the threaded rod would be nice too. Something with a 1/2" diameter base (to mathc the size of hard-point inserts) that tapers to a point - about 1/2"?tall. This would help reduce the stress on the 6-32 threaded rod. Most guys (myself included) ?just run the rods bare but I think the nylon nuts would give some added security against breakage on glow airplanes. There are a few of these made of aluminum but that's just overkill and too heavy. ? John Pavlick ? ? --- On Wed, 10/22/08, JShulman wrote: From: JShulman Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 6:50 PM What kind of control horns? Carbon gear... check Wing and stab adjusters... check Anything else? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burtona at atmc.net Wed Oct 22 11:16:41 2008 From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:16:41 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Canopy for Synergy In-Reply-To: <871440.31642.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <871440.31642.qm@web80503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008401c9347a$b6a54a30$23efde90$@net> A friend needs a replacement fiberglass canopy for a Synergy. Anyone have one they could part with? Thanks, Dave Burton -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com Wed Oct 22 11:30:47 2008 From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Mark Atwood) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:30:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Gray, I think the market IS there. When I?ve spoken to Ed in the past, he actually has designed new lay-ups to make more ES gear, the problem is opportunity cost. I believe ALL of his time, and then some, is being spent doing composite work for larger commercial ventures. Simple said, the ES gear were profitable, just not as profitable as the other work he has in front of him. Personally, I?d pay the $100 if I had to. The ES gear are easily 4oz lighter than the Comp Arf Integral gear, and functionally as strong (Though I think I could use the Integral gear on the end of a jack hammer with success). Right now there is not really a good gear choice on the market (that I?m aware of) -M On 10/22/08 1:32 PM, "Gray E Fowler" wrote: > > Interesting about the need for landing gear. Lance and I from AeroSlave have > conteplated making gear. Personnally I have an ES and we chose not design and > fab CF gear because the ES was a good price, good weight. I was unaware the > ES has ceased making the gear. If I had to guess ES stopped due to not enough > money to be made, probably due to the people wanting replacements due to > breaking or just not enough profit margin at $75. > I have looked at many different types of CF gear and the one thing they all > had in common was some type of design flaw. These various flaws were a result > of composite design ignorance or, a tough choice that had to be made to keep > fab costs low. So the question is...how much would a pattern dude pay for a > lightweight CF landing gear that would never break under normal use? It can be > done, but is the market there? > > $100 ? > $150 ? > $175 ? > > I would guess that a majority will choke on a $100 cost, and obviously, a $75 > price tag (ES) is not sustainable as a business. > > > > > Gray Fowler > Senior Principal Chemical Engineer > Radomes and Specialty Apertures > Technical Staff Composites Engineering > Raytheon > > > Jon Lowe > Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 10/22/2008 11:44 AM > Please respond to > General pattern discussion > To > General pattern discussion > cc > Subject > Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > > > > Concur on the landing gear. Big hole was left when ES stopped producing > gears. > > Jon Lowe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Atwood > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're > still going to be able to get the gator stuff). > > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > >> > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to >> > practice. >> > >> > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an >> F3A >> > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with >> > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. >> > >> > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the >> least, >> > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see >> > what we can do. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Jason >> > www.jasonshulman.com >> > www.shulmanaviation.com >> > www.composite-arf.com >> > >> > No virus found in this outgoing message. >> > Checked by AVG. >> > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 >> > 9:10 AM >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwoodm at paragon-inc.com Wed Oct 22 11:34:19 2008 From: atwoodm at paragon-inc.com (Mark Atwood) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:34:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Jason, The control horns that Lamar was selling I think are the best bet, they're just unavailable now. I'm trying to attach a photo. If it doesn't come through the list you can check his web site or I'll send a photo directly. They came in 2 sizes... 14mm and 26mm. A middle size would be good to. VERY light weight, very solid, very easy to use. -M On 10/22/08 2:50 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > What kind of control horns? > Carbon gear... check > Wing and stab adjusters... check > > Anything else? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're > still going to be able to get the gator stuff). > > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > >> How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to >> practice. >> >> Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an >> F3A >> outrunner and controller in a few months, along with >> some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. >> >> My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, >> to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see >> what we can do. >> >> Regards, >> Jason >> www.jasonshulman.com >> www.shulmanaviation.com >> www.composite-arf.com >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 >> 9:10 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 > 7:23 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 > 7:23 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 1.png Type: application/octet-stream Size: 27142 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ejhaury at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 12:29:15 2008 From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:29:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BECB44C6CBD4FD3B2A6B7ACC42F07DB@EarlPC> FWIW - ZN offer a very nice CF gear for 129 Euros ($165 USD). They are swept, relatively light @ 100 g / pr, and appear to have long for E and shorter for G. Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: Gray E Fowler To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 12:32 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about Interesting about the need for landing gear. Lance and I from AeroSlave have conteplated making gear. Personnally I have an ES and we chose not design and fab CF gear because the ES was a good price, good weight. I was unaware the ES has ceased making the gear. If I had to guess ES stopped due to not enough money to be made, probably due to the people wanting replacements due to breaking or just not enough profit margin at $75. I have looked at many different types of CF gear and the one thing they all had in common was some type of design flaw. These various flaws were a result of composite design ignorance or, a tough choice that had to be made to keep fab costs low. So the question is...how much would a pattern dude pay for a lightweight CF landing gear that would never break under normal use? It can be done, but is the market there? $100 ? $150 ? $175 ? I would guess that a majority will choke on a $100 cost, and obviously, a $75 price tag (ES) is not sustainable as a business. Gray Fowler Senior Principal Chemical Engineer Radomes and Specialty Apertures Technical Staff Composites Engineering Raytheon Jon Lowe Sent by: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 10/22/2008 11:44 AM Please respond to General pattern discussion To General pattern discussion cc Subject Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Concur on the landing gear. Big hole was left when ES stopped producing gears. Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Mark Atwood Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:02 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjfrederick at cox.net Wed Oct 22 14:30:41 2008 From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:30:41 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... References: Message-ID: <631A6B9EBBF14DEFA3096F4007CC7A2C@Mattmobile> If possible, it would be awesome to have a less expensive alternative to the MK clevises. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > What kind of control horns? > Carbon gear... check > Wing and stab adjusters... check > > Anything else? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're > still going to be able to get the gator stuff). > > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > >> How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to >> practice. >> >> Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have >> an F3A >> outrunner and controller in a few months, along with >> some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. >> >> My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the >> least, >> to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see >> what we can do. >> >> Regards, >> Jason >> www.jasonshulman.com >> www.shulmanaviation.com >> www.composite-arf.com >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: >> 10/21/2008 >> 9:10 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 > 7:23 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 > 7:23 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From ejhaury at comcast.net Wed Oct 22 14:40:47 2008 From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury) Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:40:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements In-Reply-To: <8CAFE86519C5F24-120C-544@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> References: <48F89AE7.1040309@optonline.net> <8CAFE86519C5F24-120C-544@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: After reading this thread I checked out the new version of the Aeroperfect meter. I had looked at the original - but there were several drawbacks, mostly the weight. The new version appeared to have the needed improvements, so I ordered one. Very quick delivery - ordered late Friday and it arrived today. Nicely constructed and the software works very well. The clamps provided for mounting to a control surface are a little aggressive for my liking - but they're standard clamps an can be replaced or modified. I just took a quick look at the elevator halves on Partners (dual servos). Raising the tail to get the surfaces near level eliminates the need for the clamps for checking "zero matching". Simply place the sensor on an elev half and click "zero" to zero the reading - move the sensor to the other elev half (roughly the same place) and read the offset, if any. Switching the sensor back & forth several times produced the same readings - gotta love it when an instrument actually repeats! (I measured the distance from the elev to the bench top with a digital caliper and confirmed that the elevators were in the same place.) Clamping the sensor to the surface allows one to measure up/down travels, again matching each half. I've been setting elevator halves with a digital level (+- 0.1deg), this thing does +- 0.01deg and I saw an opportunity for a couple of clicks of sub-trim to improve the zero. I usually measure total travel with "Ivan's Magic Gadget", a short pointer and degree scale. The Aeroperfect indicated that I'd gotten the matching right, but indicated a half degree or so more travel than I noted with the pointers (reading between the lines). The unit has a built in "level" that can be assigned, as well as a manual zero for comparisons. The software has a couple of nice features, one can switch to large digits - should be great for us old guys or working out doors where a LCD screen can be hard to read. There's also a conversion algorithm for converting degrees to inches - simply input the width of the measured surface. So a nice tool that appears, at least, as accurate as other devices for the same purpose and it's very easy to use. Matt, thanks for asking the question. Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements Thanks Stuart. Looked pretty good from the magazine article however, as is often the case with such things, one has to account for the author's experience (unknown in this case) MattK -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:02 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements I didn't see any responses. I have the prior version of the aeroperfect meter. Single axis and accurate to .05 degrees I think. I like it a lot. The most accurate meter I have used for incidence and surface deflection. It is not a level. Surfaces can be compared to each other or a table surface but it does not check for being level. Readings are very repeatable. It would be nice if the sensing unit were a little lighter when attaching to movable surfaces. Mine has the display with it. Not sure it can hook up to a laptop as the new one does. Stuart rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: > Has anyone used this gadget for measuring the various angles we measure? > > http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1030 > > MattK > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ McCain or Obama? 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Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Haury To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements After reading this thread I checked out the new version of the Aeroperfect meter. I had looked at the original - but there were several drawbacks, mostly the weight. The new version appeared to have the needed improvements, so I ordered one. Very quick delivery - ordered late Friday and it arrived today. Nicely constructed and the software works very well. The clamps provided for mounting to a control surface are a little aggressive for my liking - but they're standard clamps an can be replaced or modified. I just took a quick look at the elevator halves on Partners (dual servos). Raising the tail to get the surfaces near level eliminates the need for the clamps for checking "zero matching". Simply place the sensor on an elev half and click "zero" to zero the reading - move the sensor to the other elev half (roughly the same place) and read the offset, if any. Switching the sensor back & forth several times produced the same readings - gotta love it when an instrument actually repeats! (I measured the distance from the elev to the bench top with a digital caliper and confirmed that the elevators were in the same place.) Clamping the sensor to the surface allows one to measure up/down travels, again matching each half. I've been setting elevator halves with a digital level (+- 0.1deg), this thing does +- 0.01deg and I saw an opportunity for a couple of clicks of sub-trim to improve the zero. I usually measure total travel with "Ivan's Magic Gadget", a short pointer and degree scale. The Aeroperfect indicated that I'd gotten the matching right, but indicated a half degree or so more travel than I noted with the pointers (reading between the lines). The unit has a built in "level" that can be assigned, as well as a manual zero for comparisons. The software has a couple of nice features, one can switch to large digits - should be great for us old guys or working out doors where a LCD screen can be hard to read. There's also a conversion algorithm for converting degrees to inches - simply input the width of the measured surface. So a nice tool that appears, at least, as accurate as other devices for the same purpose and it's very easy to use. Matt, thanks for asking the question. Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements Thanks Stuart. Looked pretty good from the magazine article however, as is often the case with such things, one has to account for the author's experience (unknown in this case) MattK -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:02 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements I didn't see any responses. I have the prior version of the aeroperfect meter. Single axis and accurate to .05 degrees I think. I like it a lot. The most accurate meter I have used for incidence and surface deflection. It is not a level. Surfaces can be compared to each other or a table surface but it does not check for being level. Readings are very repeatable. It would be nice if the sensing unit were a little lighter when attaching to movable surfaces. Mine has the display with it. Not sure it can hook up to a laptop as the new one does. Stuart rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: > Has anyone used this gadget for measuring the various angles we measure? > > http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1030 > > MattK > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- McCain or Obama? 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In-Reply-To: <631A6B9EBBF14DEFA3096F4007CC7A2C@Mattmobile> Message-ID: I use ball links threaded directly into the control horns I listed earlier (which are no longer available..) and it's extremely tight connection for about 1/10 the cost. On 10/22/08 6:30 PM, "Matthew Frederick" wrote: > If possible, it would be awesome to have a less expensive alternative to the > MK clevises. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JShulman" > To: "General pattern discussion" > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:50 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > >> What kind of control horns? >> Carbon gear... check >> Wing and stab adjusters... check >> >> Anything else? >> >> Regards, >> Jason >> www.jasonshulman.com >> www.shulmanaviation.com >> www.composite-arf.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood >> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM >> To: General pattern discussion >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... >> >> >> Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're >> still going to be able to get the gator stuff). >> >> >> On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: >> >>> How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to >>> practice. >>> >>> Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have >>> an F3A >>> outrunner and controller in a few months, along with >>> some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. >>> >>> My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the >>> least, >>> to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see >>> what we can do. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> www.jasonshulman.com >>> www.shulmanaviation.com >>> www.composite-arf.com >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: >>> 10/21/2008 >>> 9:10 AM >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 >> 7:23 AM >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 >> 7:23 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au Wed Oct 22 16:30:07 2008 From: Tom.Koenig at actewagl.com.au (Koenig, Tom) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:30:07 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements References: <48F89AE7.1040309@optonline.net><8CAFE86519C5F24-120C-544@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It certainly is a nice bit of gear...but at 492 Australian Dollars ( thanks to our Dollar plummeting!) ....I think I'll give it a miss for now! Tom ________________________________ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt Sent: Thursday, 23 October 2008 10:20 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements That looks like a really great tool Earl! Gotta get me one. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Earl Haury To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements After reading this thread I checked out the new version of the Aeroperfect meter. I had looked at the original - but there were several drawbacks, mostly the weight. The new version appeared to have the needed improvements, so I ordered one. Very quick delivery - ordered late Friday and it arrived today. Nicely constructed and the software works very well. The clamps provided for mounting to a control surface are a little aggressive for my liking - but they're standard clamps an can be replaced or modified. I just took a quick look at the elevator halves on Partners (dual servos). Raising the tail to get the surfaces near level eliminates the need for the clamps for checking "zero matching". Simply place the sensor on an elev half and click "zero" to zero the reading - move the sensor to the other elev half (roughly the same place) and read the offset, if any. Switching the sensor back & forth several times produced the same readings - gotta love it when an instrument actually repeats! (I measured the distance from the elev to the bench top with a digital caliper and confirmed that the elevators were in the same place.) Clamping the sensor to the surface allows one to measure up/down travels, again matching each half. I've been setting elevator halves with a digital level (+- 0.1deg), this thing does +- 0.01deg and I saw an opportunity for a couple of clicks of sub-trim to improve the zero. I usually measure total travel with "Ivan's Magic Gadget", a short pointer and degree scale. The Aeroperfect indicated that I'd gotten the matching right, but indicated a half degree or so more travel than I noted with the pointers (reading between the lines). The unit has a built in "level" that can be assigned, as well as a manual zero for comparisons. The software has a couple of nice features, one can switch to large digits - should be great for us old guys or working out doors where a LCD screen can be hard to read. There's also a conversion algorithm for converting degrees to inches - simply input the width of the measured surface. So a nice tool that appears, at least, as accurate as other devices for the same purpose and it's very easy to use. Matt, thanks for asking the question. Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements Thanks Stuart. Looked pretty good from the magazine article however, as is often the case with such things, one has to account for the author's experience (unknown in this case) MattK -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:02 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements I didn't see any responses. I have the prior version of the aeroperfect meter. Single axis and accurate to .05 degrees I think. I like it a lot. The most accurate meter I have used for incidence and surface deflection. It is not a level. Surfaces can be compared to each other or a table surface but it does not check for being level. Readings are very repeatable. It would be nice if the sensing unit were a little lighter when attaching to movable surfaces. Mine has the display with it. Not sure it can hook up to a laptop as the new one does. Stuart rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: > Has anyone used this gadget for measuring the various angles we measure? > > http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1030 > > MattK > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 22 16:42:15 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:42:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] list... Message-ID: I just checked the archives and it seems that Road Runner isn't doing a good job of getting my list emails to me. Anyone else on RR having issues? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM From mjfrederick at cox.net Wed Oct 22 16:48:20 2008 From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 00:48:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] *SPAM* Re: since the list is slooooooow... References: Message-ID: I appreciate the tip, but I've never cared much for the ball links (the only place you'll find them in my airplane is on the throttle). I was thinking something pretty much exactly like the MK clevises minus the price... oh and the rod adjusters too... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Atwood" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] *SPAM* Re: since the list is slooooooow... >I use ball links threaded directly into the control horns I listed earlier > (which are no longer available..) and it's extremely tight connection for > about 1/10 the cost. > > > On 10/22/08 6:30 PM, "Matthew Frederick" wrote: > >> If possible, it would be awesome to have a less expensive alternative to >> the >> MK clevises. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JShulman" >> To: "General pattern discussion" >> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:50 PM >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... >> >> >>> What kind of control horns? >>> Carbon gear... check >>> Wing and stab adjusters... check >>> >>> Anything else? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jason >>> www.jasonshulman.com >>> www.shulmanaviation.com >>> www.composite-arf.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org >>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark >>> Atwood >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM >>> To: General pattern discussion >>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... >>> >>> >>> Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless >>> we're >>> still going to be able to get the gator stuff). >>> >>> >>> On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: >>> >>>> How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to >>>> practice. >>>> >>>> Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have >>>> an F3A >>>> outrunner and controller in a few months, along with >>>> some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. >>>> >>>> My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the >>>> least, >>>> to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see >>>> what we can do. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Jason >>>> www.jasonshulman.com >>>> www.shulmanaviation.com >>>> www.composite-arf.com >>>> >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG. >>>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: >>>> 10/21/2008 >>>> 9:10 AM >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >>>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >>>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: >>> 10/22/2008 >>> 7:23 AM >>> >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: >>> 10/22/2008 >>> 7:23 AM >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From cahochhalter at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 17:11:22 2008 From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com (Charles Hochhalter) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 01:11:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: <631A6B9EBBF14DEFA3096F4007CC7A2C@Mattmobile> Message-ID: <819213.80968.qm@web83201.mail.mud.yahoo.com> http://2dogrc.com/ecommerce/os/catalog/adjustable-control-horns-with-ball-bearings-p-2153.html ? Try these, cheaper as they come in pairs and if you order through me take 15% off almost the entire website... ? Ihave used these on my Pentathlon and they worked great.. cheap enough to order a set and make your own decision. ? Chuck --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Matthew Frederick wrote: From: Matthew Frederick Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 10:30 PM If possible, it would be awesome to have a less expensive alternative to the MK clevises. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > What kind of control horns? > Carbon gear... check > Wing and stab adjusters... check > > Anything else? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're > still going to be able to get the gator stuff). > > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > >> How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to >> practice. >> >> Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have >> an F3A >> outrunner and controller in a few months, along with >> some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. >> >> My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the >> least, >> to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see >> what we can do. >> >> Regards, >> Jason >> www.jasonshulman.com >> www.shulmanaviation.com >> www.composite-arf.com >> >> No virus found in this outgoing message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: >> 10/21/2008 >> 9:10 AM >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 > 7:23 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 > 7:23 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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References: Message-ID: <71DC8B01E7504574829D1E8828853E95@Mattmobile> Not sure what's going on with RR, but I have Cox and all the messages I send to the list have started coming back marked as spam. Just started this afternoon... ----- Original Message ----- From: JEREMY CHINN To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] list... I'm getting all of them..... Must be the geek filter keeping them from you Jas.... : ) > From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:43:32 -0400 > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] list... > > I just checked the archives and it seems that Road Runner isn't doing a good job of getting my list emails to me. 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URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 120-2065_IMGa.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 24219 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Wed Oct 22 18:18:46 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:18:46 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB02CCC0A03FD9-BE4-13C8@WEBMAIL-DY38.sysops.aol.com> Thanks Earl. Good info ? It looks like a better?tool than many and I will buy one now that I am close to completing construction on the new design. ? Matt -----Original Message----- From: Earl Haury <ejhaury at comcast.net> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements After reading this thread I checked out the new version of the Aeroperfect meter. I had looked at the original - but there were several drawbacks, mostly the weight. The new version appeared to have the needed improvements, so I ordered one. Very quick delivery - ordered late Friday and it arrived today. Nicely constructed and the software works very well. The clamps provided for mounting to a control surface are a little aggressive for my liking - but they're standard clamps an can be replaced or modified. ? I just took a quick look at the elevator halves on Partners (dual servos). Raising the tail to get the surfaces near level eliminates the need for the clamps for checking "zero matching". Simply place the sensor on an elev half and click "zero" to zero the reading - move the sensor to the other elev half (roughly the same place) and read the offset, if any. Switching the sensor back & forth several times produced the same readings - gotta love it when an instrument actually repeats! (I measured the distance from the elev to the bench top with a digital caliper and confirmed that the elevators were in the same place.) Clamping the sensor to the surface allows one to measure up/down travels, again matching each half. ? I've been setting elevator halves with a digital level (+- 0.1deg), this thing does +- 0.01deg and I saw an opportunity for a couple of clicks of sub-trim to improve the zero. I usually measure total travel with "Ivan's Magic Gadget", a short pointer and degree scale. The Aeroperfect indicated that I'd gotten the matching right, but indicated a half degree or so more travel than I noted with the pointers (reading between the lines). ? The unit has a built in "level" that can be assigned, as well as a manual zero for comparisons. The software has a couple of nice features, one can switch to large digits - should be great for us old guys or working out doors where a LCD screen can be hard to read. There's also a conversion algorithm for converting degrees to inches - simply input the width of the measured surface. ? So a nice tool that appears, at least, as accurate as other devices for the same purpose and it's very easy to use. Matt, thanks for asking the question. ? Earl ? ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Friday, October 17, 2008 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements Thanks Stuart. Looked pretty good from the magazine article however, as is often the case with such things, one has to account for the author's experience (unknown in this case) ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Fri, 17 Oct 2008 10:02 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Angular Measurements I didn't see any responses. I have the prior version of the aeroperfect meter. Single axis and accurate to .05 degrees I think. I like it a lot. The most accurate meter I have used for incidence and surface deflection. It is not a level. Surfaces can be compared to each other or a table surface but it does not check for being level. Readings are very repeatable. It would be nice if the sensing unit were a little lighter when attaching to movable surfaces.? Mine has the display with it. Not sure it can hook up to a laptop as the new one does.? ? Stuart? ? rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote:? > Has anyone used this gadget for measuring the various angles we measure?? >? > http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=1030? >? > MattK? >? > _______________________________________________? > NSRCA-discussion mailing list? > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? >? >? > ? _______________________________________________? NSRCA-discussion mailing list? NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Wed Oct 22 18:40:56 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:40:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] list... References: Message-ID: <010201c934b8$bcfa8010$9501a8c0@GW7422> There's that ugly word again ("geek")! You guys have to stop doing that! I'm starting to develop a complex... LOL John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: JEREMY CHINN To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] list... I'm getting all of them..... Must be the geek filter keeping them from you Jas.... : ) > From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:43:32 -0400 > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] list... > > I just checked the archives and it seems that Road Runner isn't doing a good job of getting my list emails to me. 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URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Wed Oct 22 18:40:56 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:40:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... References: Message-ID: <010301c934b8$bd493c50$9501a8c0@GW7422> Nice. Yeah the other problem with nylon horns and clevis' is that I haven't been able to find a 4-40 threaded clevis with a nylon pin. Why would I want this? Simple. The metal pin in the clevis wallows out the hole in the control horn and you develop slop. It's OK to use them on pull-pull setups but on a standard push-pull linkage you have to replace the horns frequently or just use the ball bearing stuff. I like the setup you've shown because the ball links seem to last a long time although I've never used them in this way. Maybe it's worth a try. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: J N Hiller To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Jason I totally agree with John Pavlick regarding aileron connectors with insufficient or excessive offset. The 1/4" offset is too close to the hinge line and most of them have too much clearance for a clevis pin and loosen prematurely. The attached photo shows a clevis I made from a glass filled motor mount to accept a DuBro ball link. I made a couple pair of these and really like them I have a 3/8 offset but 1/2 would probably be better. I also use 8-32 x 2 studs. I sent this to DuBro a year or two ago and understandably they weren't interested in adding it to their line. Jim Hiller -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 22 19:23:15 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:23:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] list Message-ID: I just realized this... if I can't see the emails from RR (went and checked NSRCA and I'm still not getting anything, not even the suggestions) neither is anyone else on RR...lol. You guys with ideas... please email me at jshulman at cfl.rr.com Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 19:38:40 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:38:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D7 List issues Message-ID: <942038.44165.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Who runs the separate lists? Or are they all the same as this one? About 2 months ago I quit getting emails from the D7 list. And I also can't post to it. Any ideas? Thanks, Chris ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moleski at canisius.edu Wed Oct 22 20:40:07 2008 From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 04:40:07 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D7 List issues In-Reply-To: <942038.44165.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <942038.44165.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49000023.5010309@canisius.edu> krishlan fitzsimmons wrote: > Who runs the separate lists? Tom Simes. For free. As a gift to the NSRCA and all of us who use the lists. > Or are they all the same as this one? > About 2 months ago I quit getting emails from the D7 list. And I also > can't post to it. Did you notice when Tom said that he was migrating the district lists to a new system? There is information here on how to subscribe to the district lists and which addresses to use: http://nsrca.us/mailinglist/joinlist.html Marty From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 21:47:29 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 05:47:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D7 List issues In-Reply-To: <49000023.5010309@canisius.edu> Message-ID: <10892.7639.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks Marty, Seems to be alot of of working for free for the NSRCA.. LOL.. I really enjoy it though. It's nice to put out a publication and hear a little positive feedback now and then. I never would have known Tom runs it had I not asked. THANKS TOM!!!! BTW, I didn't ever hear about migrating the list.. Not sure why. May have gone to my spam folder which I rarely check.. Hope all is well Marty.. Love the new site!! Also Marty, is there any chance you can email me all the names of the folks working on the site or the lists so that I can put them in the December Kfactor? You guys deserve a big thank you for what you do for us!! Chris ? ? ? --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote: From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D7 List issues To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:40 PM krishlan fitzsimmons wrote: > Who runs the separate lists? Tom Simes. For free. As a gift to the NSRCA and all of us who use the lists. > Or are they all the same as this one? > About 2 months ago I quit getting emails from the D7 list. And I also > can't post to it. Did you notice when Tom said that he was migrating the district lists to a new system? There is information here on how to subscribe to the district lists and which addresses to use: http://nsrca.us/mailinglist/joinlist.html Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Wed Oct 22 22:49:38 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:49:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20081022224943.6f1b4a70.simestd@netexpress.com> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:24:22 -0400 "JShulman" wrote: > I just realized this... if I can't see the emails from RR (went and > checked NSRCA and I'm still not getting anything, not even the > suggestions) neither is anyone else on RR...lol. > > You guys with ideas... please email me at jshulman at cfl.rr.com >From the list server logs, it looks like Road Runner is deferring delivery because they can't do a reverse DNS lookup on the list server's IP address. I've currently got 589 messages backed up in the queue headed to Road Runner subscribers. I've verified forward and reverse DNS resolution for the server is working properly (both on and off the parent network) and messages to other providers are making it through with no problems so at this point it looks like a problem on Road Runner's side. Hopefully the issue will be resolved soon. On the bright side the mail is being deferred rather than outright canned so in theory if the problem is resolved before the list server decides to give up then the messages will eventually make it through. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 22 23:12:44 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:12:44 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <912686.80656.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> How about some good, light carbon products.. Tray material, rod material for ele's, firewall material, and so forth.. Also, carbon spinners such as the ones that will be in the next? Kfactor. Email me on these if you want info Jason. Also, small, lightweight foamy servo's are always good. I'm curious about your Outrunner Kv also if you can share. Thanks Chris ? ? ? --- On Tue, 10/21/08, JShulman wrote: From: JShulman Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... To: "NSRCA" Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2008, 6:00 PM How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to practice. Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A outrunner and controller in a few months, along with some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see what we can do. Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 9:10 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Wed Oct 22 23:21:18 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:21:18 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D7 List issues In-Reply-To: <942038.44165.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <942038.44165.qm@web33006.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081022232125.7f04f362.simestd@netexpress.com> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:38:38 -0700 (PDT) krishlan fitzsimmons wrote: > Who runs the separate lists? Or are they all the same as this one? > About 2 months ago I quit getting emails from the D7 list. And I also > can't post to it. This past spring I offered to migrate the old district lists over to the same system that has been hosting the main nsrca-discussion list for a couple years. The main reason was so that people could use one interface to manage their various NSRCA list subscriptions as well as having a single point of contact for list issues. When we changed platforms, I migrated all the old active mailing lists over including their subscribed users. I announced the changes on the main list and left forwards in place on the old list addresses to give folks time to update their address books and such. Early this fall a couple folks were complaining about duplicate list messages and the cause was a few list threads which included both the new and old lists as recipients and things snowballed a bit. Since the old list forwards were doing more harm than good I removed them. For a complete list of all the public NSRCA lists, you can visit http://lists.nsrca.org/ >From there you can follow the individual list links to sign up, get a password reminder, unsubscribe or whatever. The server is also configured to e-mail your password and list membership info to everyone once a month. Of course if you're having problems, I'm always glad to help so don't be afraid to ask. There are A LOT of unsung volunteers that make this organization and community run and I appreciate the opportunity to give something back to this sport. Besides, the lists are a great mix of good technical info and daily humor therapy :) Oh, to answer the original question that inspired this thesus, Chris was just sending to the old D7 list address and is now all squared away. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From jnhiller at earthlink.net Thu Oct 23 02:48:11 2008 From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:48:11 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Incoming e-Mail isolation Message-ID: Hi all. Most of you are more computer-savvy than I and can ignore this. A few years ago it seamed easier to isolate 'good mail' rather than deal with a large quantity of incoming garbage so I setup a few rules to move 'wanted mail' from specific senders or by subject content to subfolders. Most of the garbage mail is eliminated upstream now. The inbox tends to be a catchall for family and junk mail which my wife monitors moving any mail addressed to me to a subfolder. When I subscribed to the NSRCA discussion list I setup a rule (see attachment) in outlook to automatically move list related mail when it comes in. This has worked very well and the folder list displays the count of unread mail making it real easy to monitor the folder for 'new mail'. For what it is worth. Jim Hiller -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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THANKS TOM!!!!BTW, I didn't ever hear about migrating the list.. Not sure why. May have gone to my spam folder which I rarely check.. Hope all is well Marty.. Love the new site!!Also Marty, is there any chance you can email me all the names of the folks working on the site or the lists so that I can put them in the December Kfactor? You guys deserve a big thank you for what you do for us!!Chris --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote: From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] D7 List issuesTo: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 9:40 PMkrishlan fitzsimmons wrote:> Who runs the separate lists? Tom Simes.For free.As a gift to the NSRCA and all of us who use the lists.> Or are they all the same as this one?> About 2 months ago I quit getting emails from the D7 list. And I also> can't post to it.Did you notice when Tom said that he was migratingthe district lists to a new system?There is information here on how to subscribe to thedistrict lists and which addresses to use:http://nsrca.us/mailinglist/joinlist.html Marty -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moleski at canisius.edu Thu Oct 23 05:20:16 2008 From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:20:16 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] D7 List issues In-Reply-To: References: <49000023.5010309@canisius.edu> <10892.7639.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49007A0C.8090401@canisius.edu> John Konneker wrote: > Marty, Tom and all the website crew, > I second Chris's big THANK YOU for all the hard work you guys do! You're welcome. Like flying RC, it's fun when it works. ;o) Marty From cchariandy at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 23 05:24:56 2008 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 13:24:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <317696.31384.qm@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> 30 Size electric practice plane, 50-54" span. ? Element 30...weak tube, weak gear Aspera...skinny fuse looks a bit outdated, a bit small. Angel 30....very cool looking but way too expensive. Vanquish...too fast. --- On Wed, 10/22/08, JShulman wrote: From: JShulman Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... To: "General pattern discussion" Received: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 2:50 PM What kind of control horns? Carbon gear... check Wing and stab adjusters... check Anything else? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're still going to be able to get the gator stuff). On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > practice. > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > what we can do. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > 9:10 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion __________________________________________________________________ Connect with friends from any web browser - no download required. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger for the Web BETA at http://ca.messenger.yahoo.com/webmessengerpromo.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at toprudder.com Thu Oct 23 06:33:00 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 14:33:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio In-Reply-To: <6477C197-5A14-4A90-B58D-D5FDE17C74AF@cox.net> Message-ID: <970219.52350.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Ron, If I were you, I would get the 8 channel module for both of them. The 7 channel module only works with the 7 channel receivers, or the new 616 micro receiver. The 8 will work with those, as well as the 8 channel and 14 channel receivers. The 8 channel module only cost $10 more. If you really want a 7ch module, I will sell you mine at a discount. :-) I have the 10c and like the way it programs. It has less features than the 9Z, but is very easy to learn, even for us old farts. It will work with ANY Fasst receiver as well, and will work with the 72mhz modules from you 9Z. Bob R. Ron Van Putte wrote: I have two of these 9ZAP transmitters and am planning to switch them to 2.4 GHz by using the FASST 7-channel transmitter module in one and the 8-channel transmitter module in the other. That way all my airplanes' data is available immediately and I don't have to learn how to program the new 10C I have had for two months. Lazy? Yes. Ron Van Putte On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, John Pavlick wrote: > Guys, > If anyone you know is looking for a good used transmitter - I'm > ready to part with my trusty Futaba 9ZAP. Its in excellent > condition. Recently serviced by Radio South. I will include a case > and some accessories as well. This would be great for someone who > wants to upgrade from a sport radio (i.e. Sportsman / Intermediate > pilot). Contact me off-list if interested- I'll send pic's and prices. > > John Pavlick > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Thu Oct 23 07:16:58 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:16:58 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio In-Reply-To: <970219.52350.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <970219.52350.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96B8A9AA-0836-4C8B-A6D7-2F9774959718@cox.net> Those are all good points. However, I have a small hobby shop and many of my customers and I are very conservative financially (we're tightwads) and the the 8-channel module/receiver combination costs about $70 more than the 7-channel cousin. I know the big price difference is mostly in the receiver, which is the same one used with all the high-end Futaba 2.4 GHz systems. Except for my Pattern airplanes, none require more than six channels. I only use one of my Futaba 9ZAPs for my Pattern airplanes, so the second 9Z doesn't need/ can't use the capabilities of a second 8-channel module/receiver combination, so I can't justify the extra cost. BTW, there are many 2.4 GHz systems out there and the prices are all over the map. A good example of a low-priced one is the E-Sky 4 and 6 channel systems and, while they are simple radios, with only basic features (no mixing. dual rates. etc), they are perfectly adequate for park fliers and other small airplanes and the transmitter/ receiver combos are priced at under $100. What would really be great is if they were compatible with Futaba/JR/Spektrum/Extreme, etc. Ron Van Putte On Oct 23, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Bob Richards wrote: > Ron, > > If I were you, I would get the 8 channel module for both of them. > The 7 channel module only works with the 7 channel receivers, or > the new 616 micro receiver. The 8 will work with those, as well as > the 8 channel and 14 channel receivers. The 8 channel module only > cost $10 more. > > If you really want a 7ch module, I will sell you mine at a > discount. :-) > > I have the 10c and like the way it programs. It has less features > than the 9Z, but is very easy to learn, even for us old farts. It > will work with ANY Fasst receiver as well, and will work with the > 72mhz modules from you 9Z. > > Bob R. > > > Ron Van Putte wrote: > I have two of these 9ZAP transmitters and am planning to switch them > to 2.4 GHz by using the FASST 7-channel transmitter module in one and > the 8-channel transmitter module in the other. That way all my > airplanes' data is available immediately and I don't have to learn > how to program the new 10C I have had for two months. Lazy? Yes. > > Ron Van Putte > > On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, John Pavlick wrote: > > > Guys, > > If anyone you know is looking for a good used transmitter - I'm > > ready to part with my trusty Futaba 9ZAP. Its in excellent > > condition. Recently serviced by Radio South. I will include a case > > and some accessories as well. This would be great for someone who > > wants to upgrade from a sport radio (i.e. Sportsman / Intermediate > > pilot). Contact me off-list if interested- I'll send pic's and > prices. > > > > John Pavlick > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Oct 23 07:21:12 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:21:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio In-Reply-To: <970219.52350.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <145172.81566.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Bob, ?Could you be more specific re- the 72MHz module in a 10C? The 9Z?synth. module is configured through the Tx NOT rotary switches (like the 9C). How do you set the Tx frequency on a 10C 72MHz setup? Can you use the 9Z synth. module or do you need to use a 9C / 8U type instead? ? Also - does the 10C have flight conditions (like the 9Z, 12Z, 12Fg, 14Mz) or is it like the 9C? ? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Bob Richards wrote: From: Bob Richards Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:32 PM Ron, ? If I were you, I would get the 8 channel module for both of them. The 7 channel module only works with the 7 channel receivers, or the new 616 micro receiver. The 8 will work with those, as well as the 8 channel and 14 channel receivers. The 8 channel module only cost $10 more. ? If you really want a 7ch module, I will sell you mine at a discount. :-) ? I have the 10c and like the way it programs. It has less features than the 9Z, but is very easy to learn, even for us old farts. It will work with ANY Fasst receiver as well, and will work with the 72mhz modules from you 9Z. ? Bob R. Ron Van Putte wrote: I have two of these 9ZAP transmitters and am planning to switch them to 2.4 GHz by using the FASST 7-channel transmitter module in one and the 8-channel transmitter module in the other. That way all my airplanes' data is available immediately and I don't have to learn how to program the new 10C I have had for two months. Lazy? Yes. Ron Van Putte On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, John Pavlick wrote: > Guys, > If anyone you know is looking for a good used transmitter - I'm > ready to part with my trusty Futaba 9ZAP. Its in excellent > condition. Recently serviced by Radio South. I will include a case > and some accessories as well. This would be great for someone who > wants to upgrade from a sport radio (i.e. Sportsman / Intermediate > pilot). Contact me off-list if interested- I'll send pic's and prices. > > John Pavlick > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Thu Oct 23 07:33:21 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:33:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio In-Reply-To: <96B8A9AA-0836-4C8B-A6D7-2F9774959718@cox.net> References: <970219.52350.qm@web1102.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> <96B8A9AA-0836-4C8B-A6D7-2F9774959718@cox.net> Message-ID: Hi Ron, There is a new Spektrum DX5e about to come out that is as you describe. Not all the bells and whistles but is a full range system for just under $100. JLK > From: vanputte at cox.net> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:16:48 -0500> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio> > Those are all good points. However, I have a small hobby shop and > many of my customers and I are very conservative financially (we're > tightwads) and the the 8-channel module/receiver combination costs > about $70 more than the 7-channel cousin. I know the big price > difference is mostly in the receiver, which is the same one used with > all the high-end Futaba 2.4 GHz systems. Except for my Pattern > airplanes, none require more than six channels. I only use one of my > Futaba 9ZAPs for my Pattern airplanes, so the second 9Z doesn't need/ > can't use the capabilities of a second 8-channel module/receiver > combination, so I can't justify the extra cost.> > BTW, there are many 2.4 GHz systems out there and the prices are all > over the map. A good example of a low-priced one is the E-Sky 4 and > 6 channel systems and, while they are simple radios, with only basic > features (no mixing. dual rates. etc), they are perfectly adequate > for park fliers and other small airplanes and the transmitter/ > receiver combos are priced at under $100. What would really be great > is if they were compatible with Futaba/JR/Spektrum/Extreme, etc.> > Ron Van Putte> > On Oct 23, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Bob Richards wrote:> > > Ron,> >> > If I were you, I would get the 8 channel module for both of them. > > The 7 channel module only works with the 7 channel receivers, or > > the new 616 micro receiver. The 8 will work with those, as well as > > the 8 channel and 14 channel receivers. The 8 channel module only > > cost $10 more.> >> > If you really want a 7ch module, I will sell you mine at a > > discount. :-)> >> > I have the 10c and like the way it programs. It has less features > > than the 9Z, but is very easy to learn, even for us old farts. It > > will work with ANY Fasst receiver as well, and will work with the > > 72mhz modules from you 9Z.> >> > Bob R.> >> >> > Ron Van Putte wrote:> > I have two of these 9ZAP transmitters and am planning to switch them> > to 2.4 GHz by using the FASST 7-channel transmitter module in one and> > the 8-channel transmitter module in the other. That way all my> > airplanes' data is available immediately and I don't have to learn> > how to program the new 10C I have had for two months. Lazy? Yes.> >> > Ron Van Putte> >> > On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, John Pavlick wrote:> >> > > Guys,> > > If anyone you know is looking for a good used transmitter - I'm> > > ready to part with my trusty Futaba 9ZAP. Its in excellent> > > condition. Recently serviced by Radio South. I will include a case> > > and some accessories as well. This would be great for someone who> > > wants to upgrade from a sport radio (i.e. Sportsman / Intermediate> > > pilot). 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URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Thu Oct 23 07:57:04 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:57:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems Message-ID: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> For those on rr.com (who can't get this e-mail, but may be following via the web archives), I've opened ticket ID [security.rr.com #55518] with them to investigate why their mail servers are deferring mail delivery from the NSRCA list server to RR customers. For those familiar with e-mail and SPAM control at the ISP level, the list server isn't on any DNS RBL lists or anything like that. The problem is that for some reason the RR.com mail servers cannot resolve the list server IP address back to a hostname so they are refusing to accept e-mail. Looking at the logs, the problem started early yesterday morning (Oct. 22nd). The failures look like this: $ telnet 75.180.132.244 25 Trying 75.180.132.244... Connected to cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com. Escape character is '^]'. 421 4.7.1 - Connection Refused. Cannot resolve PTR record for 209.112.194.3 Connection closed by foreign host. $ Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From vanputte at cox.net Thu Oct 23 08:03:00 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:03:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> References: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <80DCDB9F-0228-48F6-AD04-8183CD2C6B8D@cox.net> Thanks Tom. I hope somebody (not me) can understand that stuff (besides Tom). I'd hate to think he was all alone on this. Ron VP On Oct 23, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Tom Simes wrote: > > For those on rr.com (who can't get this e-mail, but may be > following via > the web archives), I've opened ticket ID [security.rr.com #55518] with > them to investigate why their mail servers are deferring mail delivery > from the NSRCA list server to RR customers. For those familiar with > e-mail and SPAM control at the ISP level, the list server isn't on any > DNS RBL lists or anything like that. The problem is that for some > reason the RR.com mail servers cannot resolve the list server IP > address > back to a hostname so they are refusing to accept e-mail. > > Looking at the logs, the problem started early yesterday morning (Oct. > 22nd). The failures look like this: > > $ telnet 75.180.132.244 25 > Trying 75.180.132.244... > Connected to cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 421 4.7.1 - Connection Refused. Cannot resolve PTR record for > 209.112.194.3 Connection closed by foreign host. > $ > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's > sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B > > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ====================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jonlowe at aol.com Thu Oct 23 08:09:47 2008 From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:09:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> References: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <8CB0340DECCF51C-8F0-18A@WEBMAIL-DF06.sysops.aol.com> I think Wiley Coyote is giving Roadrunner problems with his Acme NSRCA Spam Filter. I couldn't resist... Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: Tom Simes To: NSRCA discussion Sent: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:56 am Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems For those on rr.com (who can't get this e-mail, but may be following via the web archives), I've opened ticket ID [security.rr.com #55518] with them to investigate why their mail servers are deferring mail delivery from the NSRCA list server to RR customers. For those familiar with e-mail and SPAM control at the ISP level, the list server isn't on any DNS RBL lists or anything like that. The problem is that for some reason the RR.com mail servers cannot resolve the list server IP address back to a hostname so they are refusing to accept e-mail. Looking at the logs, the problem started early yesterday morning (Oct. 22nd). The failures look like this: $ telnet 75.180.132.244 25 Trying 75.180.132.244... Connected to cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com. Escape character is '^]'. 421 4.7.1 - Connection Refused. Cannot resolve PTR record for 209.112.194.3 Connection closed by foreign host. $ Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Thu Oct 23 08:16:36 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:16:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: <8CB0340DECCF51C-8F0-18A@WEBMAIL-DF06.sysops.aol.com> References: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> <8CB0340DECCF51C-8F0-18A@WEBMAIL-DF06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2B91559C-8B6F-49CC-AC49-211720FF777B@cox.net> Now that I understood. Thanks Jon. Ron VP On Oct 23, 2008, at 11:09 AM, Jon Lowe wrote: > I think Wiley Coyote is giving Roadrunner problems with his Acme > NSRCA Spam Filter. > > I couldn't resist... > > Jon Lowe > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Simes > To: NSRCA discussion > Sent: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:56 am > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems > > > For those on rr.com (who can't get this e-mail, but may be > following via > the web archives), I've opened ticket ID [security.rr.com #55518] with > them to investigate why their mail servers are deferring mail delivery > from the NSRCA list server to RR customers. For those familiar with > e-mail and SPAM control at the ISP level, the list server isn't on any > DNS RBL lists or anything like that. The problem is that for some > reason the RR.com mail servers cannot resolve the list server IP > address > back to a hostname so they are refusing to accept e-mail. > > Looking at the logs, the problem started early yesterday morning (Oct. > 22nd). The failures look like this: > > $ telnet 75.180.132.244 25 > Trying 75.180.132.244... > Connected to cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 421 4.7.1 - Connection Refused. Cannot resolve PTR record for > 209.112.194.3 Connection closed by foreign host. > $ > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's > sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B > > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ====================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race > while you browse - Download Now! > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jlachow at hotmail.com Thu Oct 23 08:56:40 2008 From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:56:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> References: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: Tom, is there anything to the fact that I don't receive any of Jasons postings on the discussion list. The only way I see anything of his is when it comes as part of another persons posting. I receive the discussion list emails on my hotmail account.> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:56:56 -0800> From: simestd at netexpress.com> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems> > > For those on rr.com (who can't get this e-mail, but may be following via> the web archives), I've opened ticket ID [security.rr.com #55518] with> them to investigate why their mail servers are deferring mail delivery> from the NSRCA list server to RR customers. For those familiar with> e-mail and SPAM control at the ISP level, the list server isn't on any> DNS RBL lists or anything like that. The problem is that for some> reason the RR.com mail servers cannot resolve the list server IP address> back to a hostname so they are refusing to accept e-mail.> > Looking at the logs, the problem started early yesterday morning (Oct.> 22nd). The failures look like this:> > $ telnet 75.180.132.244 25> Trying 75.180.132.244...> Connected to cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com.> Escape character is '^]'.> 421 4.7.1 - Connection Refused. Cannot resolve PTR record for> 209.112.194.3 Connection closed by foreign host.> $> > Tom> > ======================================================================> "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's> sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B> > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ======================================================================> _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Oct 23 09:45:58 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 17:45:58 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Alphabet soup Message-ID: <816183.33162.qm@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Oops sorry Matt.?I forgot you weren't a Futaba guy. Here's a simple explanation: The 9Z was never offered on 2.4, just 72 and 50. The 9C was available on all of these plus 75. These were both discontinued recently and replaced by the 14Mz, 12Z, 12Fg and now the 10C. These are all available on 2.4, 72, 50 and?I believe 75 as well. While only the high end systems (not the 10C) have G3 2048-bit PCM as an option, all?of the latest offerings?also support 1024-bit PCM and 2048-bit FASST 2.4 formats as well as standard 8-channel PPM (analog) encoding. While you can't have G3 2048-bit PCM encoding on the older (9C and 9Z) it is?possible to upgrade them to 2.4. Simple. I just wasn't sure about the module compatibility. THAT's the confusing part! LOL ? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/23/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: From: rcmaster199 at aol.com Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio To: jpavlick at idseng.com Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 3:35 PM ********Also - does the 10C have flight conditions (like the 9Z, 12Z, 12Fg, 14Mz) or is it like the 9C?********** ? Jeez, the only one?I know was the 170 ABC from Mintor. All else has been ringed. Gotta love the alphabet soup. Heh, heh!! ? ? -----Original Message----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 11:21 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio Bob, ?Could you be more specific re- the 72MHz module in a 10C? The 9Z?synth. module is configured through the Tx NOT rotary switches (like the 9C). How do you set the Tx frequency on a 10C 72MHz setup? Can you use the 9Z synth. module or do you need to use a 9C / 8U type instead? ? Also - does the 10C have flight conditions (like the 9Z, 12Z, 12Fg, 14Mz) or is it like the 9C? ? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Bob Richards wrote: From: Bob Richards Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:32 PM Ron, ? If I were you, I would get the 8 channel module for both of them. The 7 channel module only works with the 7 channel receivers, or the new 616 micro receiver. The 8 will work with those, as well as the 8 channel and 14 channel receivers. The 8 channel module only cost $10 more. ? If you really want a 7ch module, I will sell you mine at a discount. :-) ? I have the 10c and like the way it programs. It has less features than the 9Z, but is very easy to learn, even for us old farts. It will work with ANY Fasst receiver as well, and will work with the 72mhz modules from you 9Z. ? Bob R. Ron Van Putte wrote: I have two of these 9ZAP transmitters and am planning to switch them to 2.4 GHz by using the FASST 7-channel transmitter module in one and the 8-channel transmitter module in the other. That way all my airplanes' data is available immediately and I don't have to learn how to program the new 10C I have had for two months. Lazy? Yes. Ron Van Putte On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, John Pavlick wrote: > Guys, > If anyone you know is looking for a good used transmitter - I'm > ready to part with my trusty Futaba 9ZAP. Its in excellent > condition. Recently serviced by Radio South. I will include a case > and some accessories as well. This would be great for someone who > wants to upgrade from a sport radio (i.e. Sportsman / Intermediate > pilot). Contact me off-list if interested- I'll send pic's and prices. > > John Pavlick > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at toprudder.com Thu Oct 23 10:31:34 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:31:34 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio In-Reply-To: <145172.81566.qm@web80507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <534296.90695.qm@web1111.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> John, The synthesized module of the 9Z will not work in the 10C. The TP modules will work in the 10C. I can't say if it is like the 9C since I don't have one, but I can say that it does not have multiple flight conditions under the ACRO mode. :-( Bob R. John Pavlick wrote: Bob, Could you be more specific re- the 72MHz module in a 10C? The 9Z synth. module is configured through the Tx NOT rotary switches (like the 9C). How do you set the Tx frequency on a 10C 72MHz setup? Can you use the 9Z synth. module or do you need to use a 9C / 8U type instead? Also - does the 10C have flight conditions (like the 9Z, 12Z, 12Fg, 14Mz) or is it like the 9C? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Bob Richards wrote: From: Bob Richards Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 2:32 PM Ron, If I were you, I would get the 8 channel module for both of them. The 7 channel module only works with the 7 channel receivers, or the new 616 micro receiver. The 8 will work with those, as well as the 8 channel and 14 channel receivers. The 8 channel module only cost $10 more. If you really want a 7ch module, I will sell you mine at a discount. :-) I have the 10c and like the way it programs. It has less features than the 9Z, but is very easy to learn, even for us old farts. It will work with ANY Fasst receiver as well, and will work with the 72mhz modules from you 9Z. Bob R. Ron Van Putte wrote: I have two of these 9ZAP transmitters and am planning to switch them to 2.4 GHz by using the FASST 7-channel transmitter module in one and the 8-channel transmitter module in the other. That way all my airplanes' data is available immediately and I don't have to learn how to program the new 10C I have had for two months. Lazy? Yes. Ron Van Putte On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, John Pavlick wrote: > Guys, > If anyone you know is looking for a good used transmitter - I'm > ready to part with my trusty Futaba 9ZAP. Its in excellent > condition. Recently serviced by Radio South. I will include a case > and some accessories as well. This would be great for someone who > wants to upgrade from a sport radio (i.e. Sportsman / Intermediate > pilot). 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URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Thu Oct 23 12:19:14 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:19:14 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: References: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <20081023121910.138ad802.simestd@netexpress.com> On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:56:37 -0400 Joe Lachowski wrote: > > Tom, is there anything to the fact that I don't receive any of Jasons > postings on the discussion list. The only way I see anything of his is > when it comes as part of another persons posting. I receive the > discussion list emails on my hotmail account. Hi Joe, Generally if you're getting ANY postings from the list, you should be getting ALL messages from the list because the delivery mechanism is the same for each message. If you're only seeing a subset of messages, the first place I would look is at any spam filtering you (or possibly your ISP) are doing. Although the occasional message will ring the spam bell due to content, most won't. If it's only mail from a specific person that's missing, I would double check any e-mail filtering rules you've set up (accidently or not). I know all to well from the AOL feedback loop for the list just how easy and common it is for folks to accidently flag a legitimate message (or sender) as spam. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net Thu Oct 23 15:38:16 2008 From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park) Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:38:16 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio Message-ID: <498091.90955.qm@web180111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> John, DX5e is already out.? it comes with AR500 full range 5 channel rx. It has one switch that changed the rates on ail, ele, rudder.?(100% & 70%)?AR500 has dual aileron output. Very good for trainer.? If used by pilot who has good experience in mechanical setup on linkages, he/she could use it for some of those low wing trainers.? (No exponential). Elevon/Delta mixing is standard. Ihncheol ----- Original Message ---- From: John Konneker To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:33:18 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio Hi Ron, There is a new Spektrum DX5e about to come out that is as you describe. Not all the bells and whistles but is a full range system for just under $100. JLK > From: vanputte at cox.net > Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 10:16:48 -0500 > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Good used radio > > Those are all good points. However, I have a small hobby shop and > many of my customers and I are very conservative financially (we're > tightwads) and the the 8-channel module/receiver combination costs > about $70 more than the 7-channel cousin. I know the big price > difference is mostly in the receiver, which is the same one used with > all the high-end Futaba 2.4 GHz systems. Except for my Pattern > airplanes, none require more than six channels. I only use one of my > Futaba 9ZAPs for my Pattern airplanes, so the second 9Z doesn't need/ > can't use the capabilities of a second 8-channel module/receiver > combination, so I can't justify the extra cost. > > BTW, there are many 2.4 GHz systems out there and the prices are all > over the map. A good example of a low-priced one is the E-Sky 4 and > 6 channel systems and, while they are simple radios, with only basic > features (no mixing. dual rates. etc), they are perfectly adequate > for park fliers and other small airplanes and the transmitter/ > receiver combos are priced at under $100. What would really be great > is if they were compatible with Futaba/JR/Spektrum/Extreme, etc. > > Ron Van Putte > > On Oct 23, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Bob Richards wrote: > > > Ron, > > > > If I were you, I would get the 8 channel module for both of them. > > The 7 channel module only works with the 7 channel receivers, or > > the new 616 micro receiver. The 8 will work with those, as well as > > the 8 channel and 14 channel receivers. The 8 channel module only > > cost $10 more. > > > > If you really want a 7ch module, I will sell you mine at a > > discount. :-) > > > > I have the 10c and like the way it programs. It has less features > > than the 9Z, but is very easy to learn, even for us old farts. It > > will work with ANY Fasst receiver as well, and will work with the > > 72mhz modules from you 9Z. > > > > Bob R. > > > > > > Ron Van Putte wrote: > > I have two of these 9ZAP transmitters and am planning to switch them > > to 2.4 GHz by using the FASST 7-channel transmitter module in one and > > the 8-channel transmitter module in the other. That way all my > > airplanes' data is available immediately and I don't have to learn > > how to program the new 10C I have had for two months. Lazy? Yes. > > > > Ron Van Putte > > > > On Oct 22, 2008, at 12:27 PM, John Pavlick wrote: > > > > > Guys, > > > If anyone you know is looking for a good used transmitter - I'm > > > ready to part with my trusty Futaba 9ZAP. Its in excellent > > > condition. Recently serviced by Radio South. I will include a case > > > and some accessories as well. This would be great for someone who > > > wants to upgrade from a sport radio (i.e. Sportsman / Intermediate > > > pilot). 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I will investigate to see if this is possible and worth the time, money. Thanks for the input. Gray Fowler Senior Principal Chemical Engineer Radomes and Specialty Apertures Technical Staff Composites Engineering Raytheon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_bodary at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 06:29:32 2008 From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:29:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <966961.61266.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> As far as designing a new gear. I would be extremely happy with a ES gear or the exact copy. For my needs they were PERFECT. Anything else would be a compromise. Maybe to make it worth the time and effort. They could take pre orders. prepaid. ? That way instead of having to produce x amount? and hoping they would sell. this way the x amount would already be sold. ? As far as a hundered dollars goes. I've paid 70 dollars each for the last two sets. A hundred dollars would really hurt me. But then again when i first started flying RC i couldn't figure out why anyone would pay more than five dollars for landing gear. Now i spend more than five dollars for a gloplug. ? Dennis --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Gray E Fowler wrote: From: Gray E Fowler Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:37 AM I am combining all the responses about CF landing gear. Getting into designing and fabricating something as simple as landing gear will require several thousand dollars, and a lot of time to refine the design. Several people mentioned a gera of lighter weight. The weight of the ES gear is just about the lower limit if not the limit. I have not examined some of the other gear that are reported to be 4 oz heavier, so I do not know why they are heavier. Some of the real light weight gear I saw (very good weight) were always broken ...people asked me to help repair. It appears a $100 gear would be a hit with the pattern crowd. As Earl stated there already is a $150 gear so that bounds the cost. I will investigate to see if this is possible and worth the time, money. ? Thanks for the input. Gray Fowler Senior Principal Chemical Engineer Radomes and Specialty Apertures Technical Staff Composites Engineering Raytheon_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgalligan at att.net Fri Oct 24 07:36:19 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:36:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: <966961.61266.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <966961.61266.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have found the Bolly gear to be very durable and repairable. I think the swept back design lends to the right kind of flexing to absorb shock and stress and it rooks marverous. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis Bodary To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about As far as designing a new gear. I would be extremely happy with a ES gear or the exact copy. For my needs they were PERFECT. Anything else would be a compromise. Maybe to make it worth the time and effort. They could take pre orders. prepaid. That way instead of having to produce x amount and hoping they would sell. this way the x amount would already be sold. As far as a hundered dollars goes. I've paid 70 dollars each for the last two sets. A hundred dollars would really hurt me. But then again when i first started flying RC i couldn't figure out why anyone would pay more than five dollars for landing gear. Now i spend more than five dollars for a gloplug. Dennis --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Gray E Fowler wrote: From: Gray E Fowler Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:37 AM I am combining all the responses about CF landing gear. Getting into designing and fabricating something as simple as landing gear will require several thousand dollars, and a lot of time to refine the design. Several people mentioned a gera of lighter weight. The weight of the ES gear is just about the lower limit if not the limit. I have not examined some of the other gear that are reported to be 4 oz heavier, so I do not know why they are heavier. Some of the real light weight gear I saw (very good weight) were always broken ...people asked me to help repair. It appears a $100 gear would be a hit with the pattern crowd. As Earl stated there already is a $150 gear so that bounds the cost. I will investigate to see if this is possible and worth the time, money. Thanks for the input. Gray Fowler Senior Principal Chemical Engineer Radomes and Specialty Apertures Technical Staff Composites Engineering Raytheon _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Fri Oct 24 07:49:57 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:49:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: References: <966961.61266.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1F376CA9-B8A6-4225-9246-F91D41CE6693@cox.net> Hmmmmm. "durable and repairable" Sounds like a man with experience. Ron VP On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Wayne Galligan wrote: > I have found the Bolly gear to be very durable and repairable. I > think the swept back design lends to the right kind of flexing to > absorb shock and stress and it rooks marverous. > > Wayne > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dennis Bodary > To: General pattern discussion > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:29 AM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk > about > > As far as designing a new gear. I would be extremely happy with a > ES gear or the exact copy. For my needs they were PERFECT. Anything > else would be a compromise. Maybe to make it worth the time and > effort. They could take pre orders. prepaid. > > That way instead of having to produce x amount and hoping they > would sell. this way the x amount would already be sold. > > As far as a hundered dollars goes. I've paid 70 dollars each for > the last two sets. A hundred dollars would really hurt me. But then > again when i first started flying RC i couldn't figure out why > anyone would pay more than five dollars for landing gear. Now i > spend more than five dollars for a gloplug. > > Dennis > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Gray E Fowler wrote: > From: Gray E Fowler > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk > about > To: "General pattern discussion" > Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:37 AM > > > I am combining all the responses about CF landing gear. Getting > into designing and fabricating something as simple as landing gear > will require several thousand dollars, and a lot of time to refine > the design. Several people mentioned a gera of lighter weight. The > weight of the ES gear is just about the lower limit if not the > limit. I have not examined some of the other gear that are reported > to be 4 oz heavier, so I do not know why they are heavier. Some of > the real light weight gear I saw (very good weight) were always > broken ...people asked me to help repair. > > It appears a $100 gear would be a hit with the pattern crowd. As > Earl stated there already is a $150 gear so that bounds the cost. I > will investigate to see if this is possible and worth the time, money. > > Thanks for the input. > > > > > Gray Fowler > Senior Principal Chemical Engineer > Radomes and Specialty Apertures > Technical Staff Composites Engineering > Raytheon > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion > mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// > lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Fri Oct 24 09:58:03 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:58:03 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Grayson Hobby packs Message-ID: <765097.55988.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Anyone tried these yet? http://www.graysonhobby.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=8_93&products_id=717 Chris ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are there to keep this beast going? Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is there a better way? After break in: What props are being used and what kind of R's are to be expected if say, 20% nitro is used? Well, that's it for now. Any guidance here is much appreciated. Thanks! Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patternlady at tds.net Fri Oct 24 15:10:24 2008 From: patternlady at tds.net (Linda A. Carnes) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:10:24 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions In-Reply-To: References: <48F89AE7.1040309@optonline.net><8CAFE86519C5F24-120C-544@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: In the later of the last Decade, 1998 to 2007, Crossing to the Dark side was using an OS 2 Cycle! Dependable, Power, and One engine will last a season or more. Make sure you have at least one additional YS ready when one fails. _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:37 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions I've finally done it. I've crossed to the dark side and ordered a YS 170 DZ. The coming availability of the CDI conversion promises to resolve most of the objections that held me back before. But now come the questions. Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special mounting tips? Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require in the fuel? Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are there to keep this beast going? Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is there a better way? After break in: What props are being used and what kind of R's are to be expected if say, 20% nitro is used? Well, that's it for now. Any guidance here is much appreciated. Thanks! Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Fri Oct 24 15:23:53 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:23:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions In-Reply-To: References: <48F89AE7.1040309@optonline.net><8CAFE86519C5F24-120C-544@mblk-d47.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: A spare one is no longer needed with the DZ series..they are every bit as user friendly and dependable as my OS 1.40RX's ever were. Ed, I personally prefer the AR-80 mount that Merle makes. I've heard good things about the YS mount also, but the AR-80 works great with this engine. I broke both of mine in the same way. Mounted the 18.1 X 11 that I was going to fly, filled the tank with 30% Cool Power and went flying. The same was true with my 1.60 DZ. Just didn't peak it all the way out at first, although with how the engine gets lubricated on the front end, I'm not sure this would be an issue. On the 1.70's I'm getting around 7800-8000 on the ground with the 18.1 X 11 and it is just stupid power. I know others have played with other props, but I am really happy with this setup on my Black Magic. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Linda A. Carnes Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:40 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions In the later of the last Decade, 1998 to 2007, Crossing to the Dark side was using an OS 2 Cycle! Dependable, Power, and One engine will last a season or more. Make sure you have at least one additional YS ready when one fails. _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 5:37 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions I've finally done it. I've crossed to the dark side and ordered a YS 170 DZ. The coming availability of the CDI conversion promises to resolve most of the objections that held me back before. But now come the questions. Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special mounting tips? Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require in the fuel? Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are there to keep this beast going? Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is there a better way? After break in: What props are being used and what kind of R's are to be expected if say, 20% nitro is used? Well, that's it for now. Any guidance here is much appreciated. Thanks! Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vicenterc at comcast.net Fri Oct 24 15:42:34 2008 From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net) Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 23:42:34 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Message-ID: <102420082342.21116.49025D5F0003F4D20000527C22120207840C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Check the valve gap after 1-2 gallons following the instructions. Good luck, -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ed Alt" I've finally done it. I've crossed to the dark side and ordered a YS 170 DZ. The coming availability of the CDI conversion promises to resolve most of the objections that held me back before. But now come the questions. Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special mounting tips? Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require in the fuel? Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are there to keep this beast going? Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is there a better way? After break in: What props are being used and what kind of R's are to be expected if say, 20% nitro is used? Well, that's it for now. Any guidance here is much appreciated. Thanks! Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Ed Alt" Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2008 21:37:42 +0000 Size: 707 URL: From wgalligan at att.net Fri Oct 24 17:55:11 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:55:11 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about In-Reply-To: <1F376CA9-B8A6-4225-9246-F91D41CE6693@cox.net> References: <966961.61266.qm@web51710.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <1F376CA9-B8A6-4225-9246-F91D41CE6693@cox.net> Message-ID: EeeeYahh.... I have had two serious mishaps (read crashes) and was able to repair both sets. Amazing what a little thin c/a and some more carbon fiber will do. I luv the stuff. I use the light carbon weave to re-enforce cowling and wheel pants and just about anything else you can think of. Gray has introduced me to making a great carbon foot print in the hobby. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk about > Hmmmmm. "durable and repairable" Sounds like a man with experience. > > Ron VP > > On Oct 24, 2008, at 10:36 AM, Wayne Galligan wrote: > >> I have found the Bolly gear to be very durable and repairable. I think >> the swept back design lends to the right kind of flexing to absorb shock >> and stress and it rooks marverous. >> >> Wayne >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Dennis Bodary >> To: General pattern discussion >> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 9:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk >> about >> >> As far as designing a new gear. I would be extremely happy with a ES >> gear or the exact copy. For my needs they were PERFECT. Anything else >> would be a compromise. Maybe to make it worth the time and effort. They >> could take pre orders. prepaid. >> >> That way instead of having to produce x amount and hoping they would >> sell. this way the x amount would already be sold. >> >> As far as a hundered dollars goes. I've paid 70 dollars each for the >> last two sets. A hundred dollars would really hurt me. But then again >> when i first started flying RC i couldn't figure out why anyone would >> pay more than five dollars for landing gear. Now i spend more than five >> dollars for a gloplug. >> >> Dennis >> >> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Gray E Fowler wrote: >> From: Gray E Fowler >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] CF gear needs and something to talk >> about >> To: "General pattern discussion" >> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:37 AM >> >> >> I am combining all the responses about CF landing gear. Getting into >> designing and fabricating something as simple as landing gear will >> require several thousand dollars, and a lot of time to refine the >> design. Several people mentioned a gera of lighter weight. The weight of >> the ES gear is just about the lower limit if not the limit. I have not >> examined some of the other gear that are reported to be 4 oz heavier, so >> I do not know why they are heavier. Some of the real light weight gear I >> saw (very good weight) were always broken ...people asked me to help >> repair. >> >> It appears a $100 gear would be a hit with the pattern crowd. As Earl >> stated there already is a $150 gear so that bounds the cost. I will >> investigate to see if this is possible and worth the time, money. >> >> Thanks for the input. >> >> >> >> >> Gray Fowler >> Senior Principal Chemical Engineer >> Radomes and Specialty Apertures >> Technical Staff Composites Engineering >> Raytheon >> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing >> list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http:// >> lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Fri Oct 24 17:58:05 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:58:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: WooooooHooooooooooo It works...lol. Thanks to Tom and Marty and anyone else that got this all figured out. Canopy latch.... check Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Romano Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:52 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... canopy latch that is cheaper than the Mk and more robust than the BVM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:50:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > What kind of control horns? > Carbon gear... check > Wing and stab adjusters... check > > Anything else? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're > still going to be able to get the gator stuff). > > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > > > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > > practice. > > > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > > what we can do. > > > > Regards, > > Jason > > www.jasonshulman.com > > www.shulmanaviation.com > > www.composite-arf.com > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > > 9:10 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. 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Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of JEREMY CHINN Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:21 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] list... I'm getting all of them..... Must be the geek filter keeping them from you Jas.... : ) > From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:43:32 -0400 > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] list... > > I just checked the archives and it seems that Road Runner isn't doing a good job of getting my list emails to me. Anyone else on RR > having issues? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- When your life is on the go?take your life with you. Try Windows Mobile? today No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1743 - Release Date: 10/24/2008 8:33 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adriancwong at earthlink.net Fri Oct 24 23:10:00 2008 From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:10:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Message-ID: <2647047.1224918597605.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Ed, >Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special mounting tips? Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all depends on which header that you're using. >Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less noise and less vibration. >Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require in the fuel? Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% heli than the low smoke. > >Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are there to keep this beast going? YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, causing the engine to surge due to air leaks. Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the cam. Use either YS or OS F plug No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year. >Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is there a better way? Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800 On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to prime the engine again after the first flight. Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to prevent abrupt stop. The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service have had over 500 flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and piston ring. If you have other question, feel free to contact me. Adrian From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Sat Oct 25 02:22:24 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 10:22:24 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: <80DCDB9F-0228-48F6-AD04-8183CD2C6B8D@cox.net> Message-ID: <440CAA3CEB854FF3AAE5408D53ABBDDD@jaysdesktop> Roadrunner is back! I had 70 nscra messages this morning! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 12:03 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems Thanks Tom. I hope somebody (not me) can understand that stuff (besides Tom). I'd hate to think he was all alone on this. Ron VP On Oct 23, 2008, at 10:56 AM, Tom Simes wrote: > > For those on rr.com (who can't get this e-mail, but may be > following via > the web archives), I've opened ticket ID [security.rr.com #55518] with > them to investigate why their mail servers are deferring mail delivery > from the NSRCA list server to RR customers. For those familiar with > e-mail and SPAM control at the ISP level, the list server isn't on any > DNS RBL lists or anything like that. The problem is that for some > reason the RR.com mail servers cannot resolve the list server IP > address > back to a hostname so they are refusing to accept e-mail. > > Looking at the logs, the problem started early yesterday morning (Oct. > 22nd). The failures look like this: > > $ telnet 75.180.132.244 25 > Trying 75.180.132.244... > Connected to cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 421 4.7.1 - Connection Refused. Cannot resolve PTR record for > 209.112.194.3 Connection closed by foreign host. > $ > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's > sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B > > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ====================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com Sat Oct 25 03:15:12 2008 From: KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:15:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems References: <20081023075656.73191333.simestd@netexpress.com> Message-ID: <000001c93693$b72bc040$0200a8c0@kencopepere> Tom, I'm on Road Runner and not getting any error messages, with my outgoing or incoming...what ever problem exists it appears to be isolated to the east coast. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes" To: "NSRCA discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems > > For those on rr.com (who can't get this e-mail, but may be following via > the web archives), I've opened ticket ID [security.rr.com #55518] with > them to investigate why their mail servers are deferring mail delivery > from the NSRCA list server to RR customers. For those familiar with > e-mail and SPAM control at the ISP level, the list server isn't on any > DNS RBL lists or anything like that. The problem is that for some > reason the RR.com mail servers cannot resolve the list server IP address > back to a hostname so they are refusing to accept e-mail. > > Looking at the logs, the problem started early yesterday morning (Oct. > 22nd). The failures look like this: > > $ telnet 75.180.132.244 25 > Trying 75.180.132.244... > Connected to cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 421 4.7.1 - Connection Refused. Cannot resolve PTR record for > 209.112.194.3 Connection closed by foreign host. > $ > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's > sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B > > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ====================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Sat Oct 25 03:35:46 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:35:46 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: <000001c93693$b72bc040$0200a8c0@kencopepere> Message-ID: Seems to be fixed now... Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken Thompson Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:21 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems Tom, I'm on Road Runner and not getting any error messages, with my outgoing or incoming...what ever problem exists it appears to be isolated to the east coast. Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Simes" To: "NSRCA discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems > > For those on rr.com (who can't get this e-mail, but may be following via > the web archives), I've opened ticket ID [security.rr.com #55518] with > them to investigate why their mail servers are deferring mail delivery > from the NSRCA list server to RR customers. For those familiar with > e-mail and SPAM control at the ISP level, the list server isn't on any > DNS RBL lists or anything like that. The problem is that for some > reason the RR.com mail servers cannot resolve the list server IP address > back to a hostname so they are refusing to accept e-mail. > > Looking at the logs, the problem started early yesterday morning (Oct. > 22nd). The failures look like this: > > $ telnet 75.180.132.244 25 > Trying 75.180.132.244... > Connected to cdptpa-smtpin02.mail.rr.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > 421 4.7.1 - Connection Refused. Cannot resolve PTR record for > 209.112.194.3 Connection closed by foreign host. > $ > > Tom > > ====================================================================== > "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's > sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B > > Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com > ====================================================================== > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jlkonn at hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 05:19:36 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:19:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools Message-ID: Can anyone recommend a crimping tool they have had success with? I am wanting to shorten some servo leads and instead of cutting and splicing I would like to crimp a new plug on. 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URL: From rforbus at hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 05:50:30 2008 From: rforbus at hotmail.com (Randy Forbus) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 13:50:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits In-Reply-To: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> References: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> Message-ID: Look at the Black Magic, its a full build, im sure Mike Hester can hook you up Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:47:11 -0700From: wilsorc at gmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern KitsStill trying to promote pattern in our club, I keep getting asked if there are any 2 meter pattern airplane kits available. Many of our members still like to build. So...any recommendations or are they non-existant? Bob Wilson _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moleski at canisius.edu Sat Oct 25 06:04:02 2008 From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:04:02 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4903274F.5020208@canisius.edu> John Konneker wrote: > Can anyone recommend a crimping tool they have had success with? Crimping tool: http://www.rc-dymond.com/index.php?productID=407 Futaba female and male connectors: http://www.rc-dymond.com/index.php?productID=412 http://www.rc-dymond.com/index.php?productID=409 Twisted, heavy-gauge servo wire: http://www.rc-dymond.com/index.php?productID=415 I'm sure the same hardware can be obtained elsewhere, but I've been very happy with Dymond. I had to have a friend show me the right way to use the tool. There is a left and right side to it. When you put the pins in properly, one part of the pin coils into the 1/8" bare wire and the other part wraps around the insulation. You can tell just by looking whether you got a good crimp. The next tricky part is putting the pins in the cases in the right order and right-side up. Put the pins in upside-down and they will not connect reliably. Put them in right-side up and you should hear them click into place. A good tug test will help inspire confidence that you got it right. One other cool tool is a wire stripper. I inherited mine from an electrical engineer back in the 80s. I'm sure it's overkill, but it lets you make real nice, neat, consistent strips. Marty From mups1953 at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 06:10:22 2008 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:10:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits In-Reply-To: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> Message-ID: <560843.27268.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ?Black magic V3 by Mike Hester is?very popular or how about this plane,?Addiction from Japan, http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4762008/anchors_4762008/mpage_1/key_pattern%252Cwood%252Ckit%252Caddiction/anchor/tm.htm#4762008 ?I heard this kit is very high quality. ? Mark Hunt makes 2 wood kits but I forgot their names.? Anyone have that link? ???????????????????????????????? Mike --- On Sat, 10/25/08, wilsorc at gmail.com wrote: From: wilsorc at gmail.com Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 8:47 AM Still trying to promote pattern in our club, I keep getting asked if there are any 2 meter pattern airplane kits available. Many of our members still like to build. So...any recommendations or are they non-existant? Bob Wilson_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kgamueller at rogers.com Sat Oct 25 06:21:06 2008 From: kgamueller at rogers.com (Karl G. Mueller) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:21:06 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools References: Message-ID: <7232FA99A0094BB299689B1F1750951B@ownere1e679627> John, Try Servo City. Karl G. Mueller kgamueller at rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools Can anyone recommend a crimping tool they have had success with? I am wanting to shorten some servo leads and instead of cutting and splicing I would like to crimp a new plug on. Of course the most important thing is to have confidence in the new plug since the of life the airplane will be riding on it. Thanks! JLK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 06:29:48 2008 From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:29:48 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits In-Reply-To: <560843.27268.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> <560843.27268.qm@web51011.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://www.insightrc.com/ Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 07:10:17 -0700 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits Black magic V3 by Mike Hester is very popular or how about this plane, Addiction from Japan, http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4762008/anchors_4762008/mpage_1/key_pattern%252Cwood%252Ckit%252Caddiction/anchor/tm.htm#4762008 I heard this kit is very high quality. Mark Hunt makes 2 wood kits but I forgot their names. Anyone have that link? Mike --- On Sat, 10/25/08, wilsorc at gmail.com wrote: From: wilsorc at gmail.com Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 8:47 AM Still trying to promote pattern in our club, I keep getting asked if there are any 2 meter pattern airplane kits available. Many of our members still like to build. So...any recommendations or are they non-existant? Bob Wilson_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. http://skydrive.live.com/welcome.aspx?provision=1?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_skydrive_102008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lagrue at hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 06:29:50 2008 From: lagrue at hotmail.com (JEREMY CHINN) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:29:50 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: John, I've been using the tool and hardware from Maxx Products for several years now with good success. From: jlkonn at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:19:33 -0500Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools Can anyone recommend a crimping tool they have had success with?I am wanting to shorten some servo leads and instead of cutting and splicingI would like to crimp a new plug on. Of course the most important thing isto have confidence in the new plug since the of life the airplane will be ridingon it.Thanks!JL _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terryb at beachlers.com Sat Oct 25 06:33:58 2008 From: terryb at beachlers.com (Terry Beachler) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:33:58 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits In-Reply-To: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> References: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> Message-ID: <49032E52.70100@beachlers.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerlock at comcast.net Sat Oct 25 07:07:08 2008 From: kerlock at comcast.net (Mike Hester) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 15:07:08 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits References: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> Message-ID: <130C08F2554D42C1809D8A3BAEA2F325@Sanity> Black Magics (me) www.customairframes.com Insight/Pentathlon (Mark Hunt) www.insightrc.com Those are the only "domestic" wood/foam/glass pattern kits that I am aware of. Modern 2 meter that is. There is some new stuff in the works too, but it's way too early to get into details. Then there is the Symphony, which is a composite kit www.aeroslave.ncom and the Aggressor from RCME (Lamar Blair) http://webpages.charter.net/rcme/rcme_001.htm There are some overseas if you can get them. The quality is very nice, the price is in line, the flying characteristics are decent. Other than that, it's mostly ARFs. Pattern kits are alive and well, just not well advertised to the general public. We don't tend to do the full page glossy ads in MA, and you don't generally see a picture of a Pentathlon or VF3 hovering on the cover LOL -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: wilsorc at gmail.com To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits Still trying to promote pattern in our club, I keep getting asked if there are any 2 meter pattern airplane kits available. Many of our members still like to build. So...any recommendations or are they non-existant? 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Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions > Ed, > >>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips? > > Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 > header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release > pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka > came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all > depends on which header that you're using. > > >>Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? > > Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less vibration. > > >>Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the fuel? > > Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low smoke. > >> >>Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to keep this beast going? > > YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to surge due to air leaks. > > Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the > cam. > > Use either YS or OS F plug > > No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year. > > >>Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a better way? > > Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800 > > > > On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - > since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn > over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - > 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to > prime the engine again after the first flight. > > Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. > Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to > prevent abrupt stop. > > The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500 flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and > piston ring. > > If you have other question, feel free to contact me. > > Adrian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From ed_alt at hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 08:29:27 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 16:29:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral firewall Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone else who has ordered an Integral kit got it minus the firewall? I ordered just a fuselage, but made perhaps a naive assumption that a fuselage would come with a firewall. No response from my Rep on this queston yet. Thanks Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ed Alt Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:30 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Integral firewall Just wondering if anyone else who has ordered an Integral kit got it minus the firewall? I ordered just a fuselage, but made perhaps a naive assumption that a fuselage would come with a firewall. No response from my Rep on this queston yet. Thanks Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Sat Oct 25 09:14:29 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:14:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB04DC3E2967D8-928-11B5@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com> Are you guys seeing that it really needs that much oil? The ignition timing is in a can on this engine and you don't need to use mixture as your timing mechanism. Is the con-rod still bushed or has YS switched to needle bearings? ? I suppose the amount of oil in heli fuel won't really hurt anything but why would one not use, say, 12% oil??It should allow better gas mileage but not at the expense of bushings breaking down/seezing ? Eddie were you quoted a price? I'm thinking about this one too ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com> To: adriancwong at earthlink.net; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Thanks to all who responded, very helpful.? ? Ed? ----- Original Message ----- From: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>? To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>? Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM? Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions? ? > Ed,? >? >>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips?? >? > Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 > header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release > pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka > came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all > depends on which header that you're using.? >? >? >>Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount solution?? >? > Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less vibration.? >? >? >>Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the fuel?? >? > Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low smoke.? >? >>? >>Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to keep this beast going?? >? > YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to surge due to air leaks.? >? > Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the > cam.? >? > Use either YS or OS F plug? >? > No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year.? >? >? >>Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a better way?? >? > Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800? >? >? >? > On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - > since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn > over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - > 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to > prime the engine again after the first flight.? >? > Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. > Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to > prevent abrupt stop.? >? > The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500 flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and > piston ring.? >? > If you have other question, feel free to contact me.? >? > Adrian? >? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > NSRCA-discussion mailing list? > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? > ? _______________________________________________? NSRCA-discussion mailing list? 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Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org ; adriancwong at earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Are you guys seeing that it really needs that much oil? The ignition timing is in a can on this engine and you don't need to use mixture as your timing mechanism. Is the con-rod still bushed or has YS switched to needle bearings? I suppose the amount of oil in heli fuel won't really hurt anything but why would one not use, say, 12% oil? It should allow better gas mileage but not at the expense of bushings breaking down/seezing Eddie were you quoted a price? I'm thinking about this one too MattK -----Original Message----- From: Ed Alt To: adriancwong at earthlink.net; General pattern discussion Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Thanks to all who responded, very helpful. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions > Ed, > >>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips? > > Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 > header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release > pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka > came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all > depends on which header that you're using. > > >>Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? > > Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less vibration. > > >>Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the fuel? > > Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low smoke. > >> >>Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to keep this beast going? > > YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to surge due to air leaks. > > Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the > cam. > > Use either YS or OS F plug > > No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year. > > >>Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a better way? > > Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800 > > > > On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - > since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn > over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - > 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to > prime the engine again after the first flight. > > Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. > Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to > prevent abrupt stop. > > The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500 flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and > piston ring. > > If you have other question, feel free to contact me. > > Adrian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Sat Oct 25 09:36:12 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 17:36:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Road Runner e-mail delivery problems In-Reply-To: <440CAA3CEB854FF3AAE5408D53ABBDDD@jaysdesktop> References: <80DCDB9F-0228-48F6-AD04-8183CD2C6B8D@cox.net> <440CAA3CEB854FF3AAE5408D53ABBDDD@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: <20081025093623.ac99b2be.simestd@netexpress.com> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 06:22:15 -0400 "Jay Marshall" wrote: > Roadrunner is back! I had 70 nscra messages this morning! > > Jay Marshall In the end (as one might imagine) the fault was not Roadrunners. Another admin at the ISP where I work made a subtle DNS mistake while trying to do some cleanup work. The result was what is referred to as a lame delegation - and RR's DNS servers discard lame delegation replies. My apologies for the RR brownout, stuff happens sometimes - and I think my cohort learned an important lesson. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From jpavlick at idseng.com Sat Oct 25 10:17:11 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:17:11 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits References: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> Message-ID: <004201c936cd$e20a9630$9501a8c0@GW7422> Sure. Two that come to mind are: Black Magic - http://www.customairframes.com Insight - http://www.insightrc.com/ Any of these airplanes are competitive in all classes (with a good pilot). John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: wilsorc at gmail.com To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 9:47 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits Still trying to promote pattern in our club, I keep getting asked if there are any 2 meter pattern airplane kits available. Many of our members still like to build. So...any recommendations or are they non-existant? Bob Wilson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From troy at troynewman.net Sat Oct 25 10:20:45 2008 From: troy at troynewman.net (Troy Newman) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:20:45 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions In-Reply-To: <8CB04DC3E2967D8-928-11B5@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB04DC3E2967D8-928-11B5@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Matt and others with questions on CDI and lower oil content, This is a little long but I feel its information that you guys will appreciate and you should realize where things are in terms of the CDI system. This engine Ed is talking about is a normal YS 170DZ. I have seen the normal YS 170DZ fail on 15% oil content. Busted Con Rod. That is why YS recommends 20% oil content. There are no CDI engines available to the public.. The CDI engine is still at least a year off and there is more testing that is needed. The best and in my opinion the only fuel to run is Cool Power 30% Heli Performance. The oil package is better than any fuel on the market. I use only this fuel and have had extremely impressive results with this fuel and this fuel alone for the past 5-6 years. Other that seem to have problems are bound and determined to run other fuels that they "know are better" This is not an advertisement for Morgan Fuels. It's a fact of life and my experience with engines that others have tried XYZ fuel in. Richard and the YS crew have seen the same results. Morgan has the magic fuel that is very good on these engines. It's the oil package 100% proof positive. I have 160DZ's with over 1000runs that have had bearings and rings replaced and that is all. There is a reason we run that fuel. It flat works better than any other on the market. When a guy has a problem with his engine and you ask what fuel he is running 90% of the time he is not running the good stuff. I know I spend hrs every week answering emails, phone calls and helping guys work on their engines even repairing some of them myself. The CDI engines do have some new parts in order to allow low oil content. The low oil content on a non CDI engine that still has the new parts for low oil makes the engine difficult to tune. The low oil richens the mixture in effect. So with the CDI you can lean the pump and HS way down in order to accommodate the low oil content. On a glow plug you can never lean out the middle without detonating and it's still way too rich at idle. Like I have repeated many times. The CDI system that is being used is in its infant stages at the moment. One thing that we are finding is while the mixture is easier to set without having a lean blown up condition from detonation as there is no detonation. On the other hand it's tough to get the mixture just right in the sweet spot. It seems as the oil content is reduced to where I am running it now (5% oil) the HS needle can get a little touchy in hot weather. One click either way can mean too lean or too rich. This is likely because the HS needle is closed down a bunch and is only open 5/8 turns. Remember this is testing stuff. This information is being passed along to the make the products better and improve performance. You can't take the idea of just put it on a spark plug and then use the same old parts with a new oil content. Yes Spark ignition allows you to change some things...but you will get into future issues and changes that are being tested out now. There is a big difference in the way you tune the two engines. Glow has its methods and Spark acts a little differently. You have to realize that the people that are currently running the setup went through some growing pains on figuring it out. We shared this info with each other as we learned the tricks. This made others that got the new setup right before the NATS like Brett and Don Sczur successful with it at the NATS. Quique's #1 engine had a failure of the spark plug cap. This was a mechanical part the spark plug wire that broke. There is a new spark plug cap on that ignition box and I have flown that exact ignition box since. His #2 engine might just have been a case of not getting the mixture set properly. I usually get it where I think it needs to be and then fly it. In that first flight I will tweak the mixture after I land. There have been more than a few times I have taken off so rich that it won't work and keeps cooling off and off until the motor is not making any power at all. Land and lean it down 2 clicks and its perfect. I thought it was perfect from the tach readings and my "expert" ear. However it was not. So I must repeat the standard 170DZ is just like any other YS DZ engine and should be run accordingly. There are special parts that make it CDI and then there are even more additional parts that make it LOW oil content CDI. When the CDI system is released it is likely that it will have the low oil parts associated with it. To answer your question. No there are not needle bearings on the connecting rod. However the crank, rod, lifters, other parts are different than a standard DZ engine to accommodate the low oil content. I know the parts I converted one of my engines from Stock out of the box production engine from Central Hobbies to CDI back in January. Then I converted that same engine to Low oil capability. I have flown that engine since about May this way. First on normal 30% Cool Power Heli performance Blend...and now on a Cool Power 30% nitro/ 5% oil blend. The normal fuel is fine with the low oil parts. This means that YS could start including low oil parts in production engines before the CDI is released in order to make a easier change over to CDI with low oil later on. I have no information about this plan that I can share. This setup is very cool and works tremendously well. I will not be flying glow plugs anytime soon for sure. There is also work to be done on the program inside the little magic box. Just an electronic ignition like off a DA 50 is not what we are working with. I personally have had 2 different ignition boxes that have different advance curves in them. If you know the engine you can tell the difference. There is still plenty of testing to be done. Yes this is exciting technology and its moving forward very fast at the moment. There is a reason they call it testing. I would suspect late next year at the very soonest to have CDI parts available. We need to run the engines on this low oil for a long time in order to find out what the results are. I have been running this new fuel 5% oil content since about May. I have not had issues. Some others have gone up to a 10-12% oil content as they felt the engine worked better for them. Others that are doing the testing on the new engines are just playing follow the leader as we have been sharing information. Right before the NATS it was a mad dash to make sure we all knew what was going on. By next NATS there will be more testing and guys that were playing follow the setup that works will have tested other setups. Who knows maybe the 10-12% oil is going to be the ticket in the end Right now I have about 8 cases of 30% 5% oil though two engines. Even in 100deg AZ temps and its performance has been good. I had some little issues in June and struggled with it. Those problems were traced down and the solution proved to be correct. Now it's testing testing testing. I know for a fact that a normal on glow plug 170DZ will fail on 15% oil in a few flights. I witnessed it and others experienced the same thing. I hope this helps answer some questions about the system. It's just going to take lots of flights and a few worn out engines to find out the weak links in the system. Troy Newman Team YS From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:14 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; adriancwong at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Are you guys seeing that it really needs that much oil? The ignition timing is in a can on this engine and you don't need to use mixture as your timing mechanism. Is the con-rod still bushed or has YS switched to needle bearings? I suppose the amount of oil in heli fuel won't really hurt anything but why would one not use, say, 12% oil? It should allow better gas mileage but not at the expense of bushings breaking down/seezing Eddie were you quoted a price? I'm thinking about this one too MattK -----Original Message----- From: Ed Alt To: adriancwong at earthlink.net; General pattern discussion Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Thanks to all who responded, very helpful. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions > Ed, > >>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips? > > Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 > header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release > pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka > came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all > depends on which header that you're using. > > >>Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? > > Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less vibration. > > >>Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the fuel? > > Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low smoke. > >> >>Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to keep this beast going? > > YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to surge due to air leaks. > > Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the > cam. > > Use either YS or OS F plug > > No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year. > > >>Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a better way? > > Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800 > > > > On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - > since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn > over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - > 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to > prime the engine again after the first flight. > > Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. > Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to > prevent abrupt stop. > > The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500 flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and > piston ring. > > If you have other question, feel free to contact me. > > Adrian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_bodary at yahoo.com Sat Oct 25 10:37:26 2008 From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 18:37:26 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <248292.17912.qm@web51709.mail.re2.yahoo.com> At the Toledo show in April i got some canopy latches from Yellow Aircraft. They were made by Funkey. I have not used them yet. So i cannot comment if they are better or worse than any other brand. As for the next question no i can't remember how much i paid for them. --- On Fri, 10/24/08, JShulman wrote: From: JShulman Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 9:58 PM #yiv1731101099 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1731101099 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} WooooooHooooooooooo It works...lol. Thanks to Tom and Marty and anyone else that got this all figured out. ? Canopy latch.... check ? Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Anthony Romano Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:52 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... canopy latch that is cheaper than the Mk and more robust than the BVM > From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:50:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > What kind of control horns? > Carbon gear... check > Wing and stab adjusters... check > > Anything else? > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Mark Atwood > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:02 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] since the list is slooooooow... > > > Control Horns, Carbon landing gear, wing and stab adjusters (unless we're > still going to be able to get the gator stuff). > > > On 10/21/08 9:00 PM, "JShulman" wrote: > > > How about this for all you pilots sitting at home not knowing what to > > practice. > > > > Shulman Aviation is developing a pattern line of products. We will have an F3A > > outrunner and controller in a few months, along with > > some parts for planes. We will also have our 4 ARF designs. > > > > My question is... what else do we need to make life easier, or at the least, > > to keep flying our planes? Let me know and we'll see > > what we can do. > > > > Regards, > > Jason > > www.jasonshulman.com > > www.shulmanaviation.com > > www.composite-arf.com > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1737 - Release Date: 10/21/2008 > > 9:10 AM > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1739 - Release Date: 10/22/2008 7:23 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Store, manage and share up to 5GB with Windows Live SkyDrive. Start uploading now _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed_alt at hotmail.com Sat Oct 25 11:28:18 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 19:28:18 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions References: <8CB04DC3E2967D8-928-11B5@mblk-d28.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Maybe I'll just go electric after all. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Newman To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Matt and others with questions on CDI and lower oil content, This is a little long but I feel its information that you guys will appreciate and you should realize where things are in terms of the CDI system. This engine Ed is talking about is a normal YS 170DZ. I have seen the normal YS 170DZ fail on 15% oil content. Busted Con Rod. That is why YS recommends 20% oil content. There are no CDI engines available to the public.. The CDI engine is still at least a year off and there is more testing that is needed. The best and in my opinion the only fuel to run is Cool Power 30% Heli Performance. The oil package is better than any fuel on the market. I use only this fuel and have had extremely impressive results with this fuel and this fuel alone for the past 5-6 years. Other that seem to have problems are bound and determined to run other fuels that they "know are better" This is not an advertisement for Morgan Fuels. It's a fact of life and my experience with engines that others have tried XYZ fuel in. Richard and the YS crew have seen the same results. Morgan has the magic fuel that is very good on these engines. It's the oil package 100% proof positive. I have 160DZ's with over 1000runs that have had bearings and rings replaced and that is all. There is a reason we run that fuel. It flat works better than any other on the market. When a guy has a problem with his engine and you ask what fuel he is running 90% of the time he is not running the good stuff. I know I spend hrs every week answering emails, phone calls and helping guys work on their engines even repairing some of them myself. The CDI engines do have some new parts in order to allow low oil content. The low oil content on a non CDI engine that still has the new parts for low oil makes the engine difficult to tune. The low oil richens the mixture in effect. So with the CDI you can lean the pump and HS way down in order to accommodate the low oil content. On a glow plug you can never lean out the middle without detonating and it's still way too rich at idle. Like I have repeated many times. The CDI system that is being used is in its infant stages at the moment. One thing that we are finding is while the mixture is easier to set without having a lean blown up condition from detonation as there is no detonation. On the other hand it's tough to get the mixture just right in the sweet spot. It seems as the oil content is reduced to where I am running it now (5% oil) the HS needle can get a little touchy in hot weather. One click either way can mean too lean or too rich. This is likely because the HS needle is closed down a bunch and is only open 5/8 turns. Remember this is testing stuff. This information is being passed along to the make the products better and improve performance. You can't take the idea of just put it on a spark plug and then use the same old parts with a new oil content. Yes Spark ignition allows you to change some things.but you will get into future issues and changes that are being tested out now. There is a big difference in the way you tune the two engines. Glow has its methods and Spark acts a little differently. You have to realize that the people that are currently running the setup went through some growing pains on figuring it out. We shared this info with each other as we learned the tricks. This made others that got the new setup right before the NATS like Brett and Don Sczur successful with it at the NATS. Quique's #1 engine had a failure of the spark plug cap. This was a mechanical part the spark plug wire that broke. There is a new spark plug cap on that ignition box and I have flown that exact ignition box since. His #2 engine might just have been a case of not getting the mixture set properly. I usually get it where I think it needs to be and then fly it. In that first flight I will tweak the mixture after I land. There have been more than a few times I have taken off so rich that it won't work and keeps cooling off and off until the motor is not making any power at all. Land and lean it down 2 clicks and its perfect. I thought it was perfect from the tach readings and my "expert" ear. However it was not. So I must repeat the standard 170DZ is just like any other YS DZ engine and should be run accordingly. There are special parts that make it CDI and then there are even more additional parts that make it LOW oil content CDI. When the CDI system is released it is likely that it will have the low oil parts associated with it. To answer your question. No there are not needle bearings on the connecting rod. However the crank, rod, lifters, other parts are different than a standard DZ engine to accommodate the low oil content. I know the parts I converted one of my engines from Stock out of the box production engine from Central Hobbies to CDI back in January. Then I converted that same engine to Low oil capability. I have flown that engine since about May this way. First on normal 30% Cool Power Heli performance Blend.and now on a Cool Power 30% nitro/ 5% oil blend. The normal fuel is fine with the low oil parts. This means that YS could start including low oil parts in production engines before the CDI is released in order to make a easier change over to CDI with low oil later on. I have no information about this plan that I can share. This setup is very cool and works tremendously well. I will not be flying glow plugs anytime soon for sure. There is also work to be done on the program inside the little magic box. Just an electronic ignition like off a DA 50 is not what we are working with. I personally have had 2 different ignition boxes that have different advance curves in them. If you know the engine you can tell the difference. There is still plenty of testing to be done. Yes this is exciting technology and its moving forward very fast at the moment. There is a reason they call it testing. I would suspect late next year at the very soonest to have CDI parts available. We need to run the engines on this low oil for a long time in order to find out what the results are. I have been running this new fuel 5% oil content since about May. I have not had issues. Some others have gone up to a 10-12% oil content as they felt the engine worked better for them. Others that are doing the testing on the new engines are just playing follow the leader as we have been sharing information. Right before the NATS it was a mad dash to make sure we all knew what was going on. By next NATS there will be more testing and guys that were playing follow the setup that works will have tested other setups. Who knows maybe the 10-12% oil is going to be the ticket in the end Right now I have about 8 cases of 30% 5% oil though two engines. Even in 100deg AZ temps and its performance has been good. I had some little issues in June and struggled with it. Those problems were traced down and the solution proved to be correct. Now it's testing testing testing. I know for a fact that a normal on glow plug 170DZ will fail on 15% oil in a few flights. I witnessed it and others experienced the same thing. I hope this helps answer some questions about the system. It's just going to take lots of flights and a few worn out engines to find out the weak links in the system. Troy Newman Team YS From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:14 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; adriancwong at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Are you guys seeing that it really needs that much oil? The ignition timing is in a can on this engine and you don't need to use mixture as your timing mechanism. Is the con-rod still bushed or has YS switched to needle bearings? I suppose the amount of oil in heli fuel won't really hurt anything but why would one not use, say, 12% oil? It should allow better gas mileage but not at the expense of bushings breaking down/seezing Eddie were you quoted a price? I'm thinking about this one too MattK -----Original Message----- From: Ed Alt To: adriancwong at earthlink.net; General pattern discussion Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Thanks to all who responded, very helpful. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions > Ed, > >>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips? > > Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 > header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release > pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka > came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all > depends on which header that you're using. > > >>Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? > > Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less vibration. > > >>Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the fuel? > > Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low smoke. > >> >>Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to keep this beast going? > > YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to surge due to air leaks. > > Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the > cam. > > Use either YS or OS F plug > > No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year. > > >>Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a better way? > > Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800 > > > > On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - > since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn > over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - > 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to > prime the engine again after the first flight. > > Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. > Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to > prevent abrupt stop. > > The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500 flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and > piston ring. > > If you have other question, feel free to contact me. > > Adrian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think there will probably be a new needle valve assembly that will solve the problem of the tuning on low oil content. Right now the HS needle is the same as the glow plug engine. Well the mixture is quite different between glow plug and spark plug. Reliability wise the CDI has been extremely good. But then I have had excellent service from the other DZ engines as well. I know YS is working on fine tuning some of those parts like new HS needles and so on if we need them. It's a learning process. The engine is the best engine I have ever used for pattern bar none. But right now this very second I would say it might not be as easy to operate the CDI as a regular DZ170. Once you know what to look for like Bill Cunningham and I have been running this thing a long time....We have the "new ear" for it. Its way easier to get working and even more consistent too. Low idle and tremendous power and grunt. Before this stuff gets put into production they need to fly it a bunch. We need to fly it a bunch to make sure guys like you don't have problems with it. That's all I was trying to say. I think all the issues are pretty much addressed and are being worked...but we need to get some time on these engines and get things tested to tell where things stand. You can't just make a change to a part and say Ok that's it make all the new production engines that way....because you flew it 5 times today and it worked. I really think this could be a new thing for many other glow engines. Right now the DA150, 100 and 50's are literally as reliable as any engine on the market. Probably more than most. The big reason is not the gasoline it's the electronic ignition. While there have been conversions for years to convert glow to spark...this is some new territory and YS is doing all the things that you guys are talking about. Tuning the advance curve to the engines performance, playing with timing to run lower nitro and less oil. Make more power and swing larger props at slower rpm. These are all things that are going to make pattern flying easier and better. Think 1400rpm idle on a 19 or 20" prop....and downline braking better than anything out there, electric included. This setup really is the ticket for F3A...its just not on the shelf yet. I have some 20% nitro that I'm going to be running in the next week. Right now the power is down a couple hundred rpm from the 30%/5% oil I have been running. On a APC 19-11 Ignition prop or even the one I modified myself it's a pretty awesome combination even at the 20% nitro level. Can we go to low nitro and low oil contents....perhaps. The CDI has the possibility to do many things...but these things can't be tried and perfected over night. YS is working on lots of things to improve this engine and the CDI and low oil content is one set of parameters that are working. I think the next couple years are going to blow people away with the changes that are being made. It's a very exciting time with DSM technology and now the CDI ignition on a glow engine. Even Horizon and Saito developed a Saito 220 into a gasoline 4 stroke. This CDI system is a stepping stone to much bigger ideas and products. Troy From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:28 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Maybe I'll just go electric after all. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Newman To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Matt and others with questions on CDI and lower oil content, This is a little long but I feel its information that you guys will appreciate and you should realize where things are in terms of the CDI system. This engine Ed is talking about is a normal YS 170DZ. I have seen the normal YS 170DZ fail on 15% oil content. Busted Con Rod. That is why YS recommends 20% oil content. There are no CDI engines available to the public.. The CDI engine is still at least a year off and there is more testing that is needed. The best and in my opinion the only fuel to run is Cool Power 30% Heli Performance. The oil package is better than any fuel on the market. I use only this fuel and have had extremely impressive results with this fuel and this fuel alone for the past 5-6 years. Other that seem to have problems are bound and determined to run other fuels that they "know are better" This is not an advertisement for Morgan Fuels. It's a fact of life and my experience with engines that others have tried XYZ fuel in. Richard and the YS crew have seen the same results. Morgan has the magic fuel that is very good on these engines. It's the oil package 100% proof positive. I have 160DZ's with over 1000runs that have had bearings and rings replaced and that is all. There is a reason we run that fuel. It flat works better than any other on the market. When a guy has a problem with his engine and you ask what fuel he is running 90% of the time he is not running the good stuff. I know I spend hrs every week answering emails, phone calls and helping guys work on their engines even repairing some of them myself. The CDI engines do have some new parts in order to allow low oil content. The low oil content on a non CDI engine that still has the new parts for low oil makes the engine difficult to tune. The low oil richens the mixture in effect. So with the CDI you can lean the pump and HS way down in order to accommodate the low oil content. On a glow plug you can never lean out the middle without detonating and it's still way too rich at idle. Like I have repeated many times. The CDI system that is being used is in its infant stages at the moment. One thing that we are finding is while the mixture is easier to set without having a lean blown up condition from detonation as there is no detonation. On the other hand it's tough to get the mixture just right in the sweet spot. It seems as the oil content is reduced to where I am running it now (5% oil) the HS needle can get a little touchy in hot weather. One click either way can mean too lean or too rich. This is likely because the HS needle is closed down a bunch and is only open 5/8 turns. Remember this is testing stuff. This information is being passed along to the make the products better and improve performance. You can't take the idea of just put it on a spark plug and then use the same old parts with a new oil content. Yes Spark ignition allows you to change some things...but you will get into future issues and changes that are being tested out now. There is a big difference in the way you tune the two engines. Glow has its methods and Spark acts a little differently. You have to realize that the people that are currently running the setup went through some growing pains on figuring it out. We shared this info with each other as we learned the tricks. This made others that got the new setup right before the NATS like Brett and Don Sczur successful with it at the NATS. Quique's #1 engine had a failure of the spark plug cap. This was a mechanical part the spark plug wire that broke. There is a new spark plug cap on that ignition box and I have flown that exact ignition box since. His #2 engine might just have been a case of not getting the mixture set properly. I usually get it where I think it needs to be and then fly it. In that first flight I will tweak the mixture after I land. There have been more than a few times I have taken off so rich that it won't work and keeps cooling off and off until the motor is not making any power at all. Land and lean it down 2 clicks and its perfect. I thought it was perfect from the tach readings and my "expert" ear. However it was not. So I must repeat the standard 170DZ is just like any other YS DZ engine and should be run accordingly. There are special parts that make it CDI and then there are even more additional parts that make it LOW oil content CDI. When the CDI system is released it is likely that it will have the low oil parts associated with it. To answer your question. No there are not needle bearings on the connecting rod. However the crank, rod, lifters, other parts are different than a standard DZ engine to accommodate the low oil content. I know the parts I converted one of my engines from Stock out of the box production engine from Central Hobbies to CDI back in January. Then I converted that same engine to Low oil capability. I have flown that engine since about May this way. First on normal 30% Cool Power Heli performance Blend...and now on a Cool Power 30% nitro/ 5% oil blend. The normal fuel is fine with the low oil parts. This means that YS could start including low oil parts in production engines before the CDI is released in order to make a easier change over to CDI with low oil later on. I have no information about this plan that I can share. This setup is very cool and works tremendously well. I will not be flying glow plugs anytime soon for sure. There is also work to be done on the program inside the little magic box. Just an electronic ignition like off a DA 50 is not what we are working with. I personally have had 2 different ignition boxes that have different advance curves in them. If you know the engine you can tell the difference. There is still plenty of testing to be done. Yes this is exciting technology and its moving forward very fast at the moment. There is a reason they call it testing. I would suspect late next year at the very soonest to have CDI parts available. We need to run the engines on this low oil for a long time in order to find out what the results are. I have been running this new fuel 5% oil content since about May. I have not had issues. Some others have gone up to a 10-12% oil content as they felt the engine worked better for them. Others that are doing the testing on the new engines are just playing follow the leader as we have been sharing information. Right before the NATS it was a mad dash to make sure we all knew what was going on. By next NATS there will be more testing and guys that were playing follow the setup that works will have tested other setups. Who knows maybe the 10-12% oil is going to be the ticket in the end Right now I have about 8 cases of 30% 5% oil though two engines. Even in 100deg AZ temps and its performance has been good. I had some little issues in June and struggled with it. Those problems were traced down and the solution proved to be correct. Now it's testing testing testing. I know for a fact that a normal on glow plug 170DZ will fail on 15% oil in a few flights. I witnessed it and others experienced the same thing. I hope this helps answer some questions about the system. It's just going to take lots of flights and a few worn out engines to find out the weak links in the system. Troy Newman Team YS From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:14 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; adriancwong at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Are you guys seeing that it really needs that much oil? The ignition timing is in a can on this engine and you don't need to use mixture as your timing mechanism. Is the con-rod still bushed or has YS switched to needle bearings? I suppose the amount of oil in heli fuel won't really hurt anything but why would one not use, say, 12% oil? It should allow better gas mileage but not at the expense of bushings breaking down/seezing Eddie were you quoted a price? I'm thinking about this one too MattK -----Original Message----- From: Ed Alt To: adriancwong at earthlink.net; General pattern discussion Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Thanks to all who responded, very helpful. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions > Ed, > >>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips? > > Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 > header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release > pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka > came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all > depends on which header that you're using. > > >>Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? > > Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less vibration. > > >>Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the fuel? > > Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low smoke. > >> >>Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to keep this beast going? > > YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to surge due to air leaks. > > Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the > cam. > > Use either YS or OS F plug > > No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year. > > >>Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a better way? > > Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800 > > > > On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - > since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn > over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - > 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to > prime the engine again after the first flight. > > Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. > Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to > prevent abrupt stop. > > The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500 flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and > piston ring. > > If you have other question, feel free to contact me. > > Adrian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Sat Oct 25 16:06:10 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:06:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB0515C19EF388-BD0-AC8@webmail-da07.sysops.aol.com> Troy, this is good info, thanks. ? I have no interest in the standard glow version. The ignition version will offer real advantage in my opinion and I will wait for it. ? On the other hand, IF I can ever get enough time together to finish my new design (?ZDZ 40 powered), I may not need the YS after all. The ZDZ is an extremely sweet runner and can't hardly wait to get hours running time rather than minutes ? Hey BTW, while on the subject of larger engines, ZDZ offers some nice wood props. The main thing is that these props are lightweight, considerably lighter than APC filled nylon in the sizes we use in pattern. Not exactly right for our use, they need modification to make them viable. The designs have enough blade area to allow modification to APC style scimitar shape. If anyone is interested in more details, contact me directly ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 2:28 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Maybe I'll just go electric after all. ? Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Newman To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Matt and others with questions on CDI and lower oil content, ? ? This is a little long but I feel its information that you guys will appreciate and you should realize where things are in terms of the CDI system. ? This engine Ed is talking about is a normal YS 170DZ. ?I have seen the normal YS 170DZ fail on 15% oil content. Busted Con Rod. That is why YS recommends 20% oil content. ? There are no CDI engines available to the public.. The CDI engine is still at least a? year off and there is more testing that is needed. The best and in my opinion the only fuel to run is Cool Power 30% Heli Performance. The oil package is better than any fuel on the market. I use only this fuel and have had extremely impressive results with this fuel and this fuel alone for the past 5-6 years. Other that seem to have problems are bound and determined to run other fuels that they ?know are better? This is not an advertisement for Morgan Fuels. It?s a fact of life and my experience with engines that others have tried XYZ fuel in. Richard and the YS crew have seen the same results. Morgan has the magic fuel that is very good on these engines. It?s the oil package 100% proof positive. I have 160DZ?s with over 1000runs that have had bearings and rings replaced and that is all. There is a reason we run that fuel. It flat works better than any other on the market. When a guy has a problem with his engine and you ask what fuel he is running 90% of the time he is not running the good stuff. I know I spend hrs every week answering emails, phone calls and helping guys work on their engines even repairing some of them myself. ? The CDI engines do have some new parts in order to allow low oil content. ? The low oil content on a non CDI engine that still has the new parts for low oil makes the engine difficult to tune. The low oil richens the mixture in effect.? So with the CDI you can lean the pump and HS way down in order to accommodate the low oil content. On a ?glow plug you can never lean out the middle without detonating and it?s still way too rich at idle. ? Like I have repeated many times. The CDI system that is being used is in its infant stages at the moment. One thing that we are finding is while the mixture is easier to set without having a lean blown up condition from detonation as there is no detonation. On the other hand it?s tough to get the mixture just right in the sweet spot. It seems as the oil content is reduced to where I am running it now (5% oil) the HS needle can get a little touchy in hot weather. One click either way can mean too lean or too rich. This is likely because the HS needle is closed down a bunch and is only open 5/8 turns. ? Remember this is testing stuff. ?This information is being passed along to the make the products better and improve performance. ? You can?t take the idea of just put it on a ?spark plug and then use the same old parts with a new oil content. Yes Spark ignition allows you to change some things?but you will get into future issues and changes that are being tested out now. There is a big difference in the way you tune the two engines. Glow has its methods and Spark acts a little differently. You have to realize that the people that are currently running the setup went through some growing pains on figuring it out. We shared this info with each other as we learned the tricks. This made others that got the new setup right before the NATS like Brett and Don Sczur successful with it at the NATS. ? Quique?s #1 engine had a failure of the spark plug cap. This was a mechanical part the spark plug wire that broke.? There is a new spark plug cap on that ignition box and I have flown that exact ignition box since. ?His #2 engine might just have been a case of not getting the mixture set properly. I usually get it where I think it needs to be and then fly it. In that first flight I will tweak the mixture after I land. There have been more than a few times I have taken off so rich that it won?t work and keeps cooling off and off until the motor is not making any power at all. Land and lean it down 2 clicks and its perfect. I thought it was perfect from the tach readings and my ?expert? ear. However it was not. ? ? So I must repeat the standard 170DZ is just like any other YS DZ engine and should be run accordingly. There are special parts that make it CDI and then there are even more additional parts that make it LOW oil content CDI. ? When the CDI system is released it is likely that it will have the low oil parts associated with it. To answer your question. No there are not needle bearings on the connecting rod. However the crank, rod, lifters, other parts are different than a standard DZ engine to accommodate the low oil content. I know the parts I converted one of my engines from Stock out of the box production engine from Central Hobbies to CDI back in January. Then I converted that same engine to Low oil capability. I have flown that engine since about May this way. First on normal 30% Cool Power Heli performance Blend?and now on a ?Cool Power 30% nitro/ 5% oil blend. ? The normal fuel is fine with the low oil parts. This means that YS could start including low oil parts in production engines before the CDI is released in order to make a easier change over to CDI with low oil later ?on. I have no information about this plan that I can share. ? This setup is very cool and works tremendously well. ?I will not be flying glow plugs anytime soon for sure. There is also work to be done on the program inside the little magic box. Just an electronic ignition like off a DA 50 is not what we are working with. I personally have had 2 different ignition boxes that have different advance curves in them. If you know the engine you can tell the difference. There is still plenty of testing to be done. Yes this is exciting technology and its moving forward very fast at the moment. There is a reason they call it testing. I would suspect late next year at the very soonest to have CDI parts available. ? We need to run the engines on this low oil for a long time in order to find out what the results are. I have been running this new fuel 5% oil content since about May. I have not had issues. Some others have gone up to a 10-12% oil content as they felt the engine worked better for them. Others that are doing the testing on the new engines are just playing follow the leader as we have been sharing information. Right before the NATS it was a mad dash to make sure we all knew what was going on. By next NATS there will be more testing and guys that were playing follow the setup that works will have tested other setups. Who knows maybe the 10-12% oil is going to be the ticket in the end Right now I have about 8 cases of 30% 5% oil though two engines. Even in 100deg AZ temps and its performance has been good. I had some little issues in June and struggled with it. Those problems were traced down and the solution proved to be correct. Now it?s testing testing testing. ? I know for a fact that a normal on glow plug 170DZ will fail on 15% oil in a few flights. I witnessed it and others experienced the same thing. ? ? I hope this helps answer some questions about the system. It?s just going to take lots of flights and a few worn out engines to find out the weak links in the system. ? Troy Newman Team YS ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:14 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; adriancwong at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions ? Are you guys seeing that it really needs that much oil? The ignition timing is in a can on this engine and you don't need to use mixture as your timing mechanism. Is the con-rod still bushed or has YS switched to needle bearings? ? I suppose the amount of oil in heli fuel won't really hurt anything but why would one not use, say, 12% oil??It should allow better gas mileage but not at the expense of bushings breaking down/seezing ? Eddie were you quoted a price? I'm thinking about this one too ? MattK ? ? -----Original Message----- From: Ed Alt <ed_alt at hotmail.com> To: adriancwong at earthlink.net; General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Thanks to all who responded, very helpful.? ? Ed? ----- Original Message ----- From: <adriancwong at earthlink.net>? To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>? Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM? Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions? ? > Ed,? >? >>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips?? >? > Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 > header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release > pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka > came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all > depends on which header that you're using.? >? >? >>Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount solution?? >? > Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less vibration.? >? >? >>Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the fuel?? >? > Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low smoke.? >? >>? >>Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to keep this beast going?? >? > YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to surge due to air leaks.? >? > Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the > cam.? >? > Use either YS or OS F plug? >? > No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year.? >? >? >>Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a better way?? >? > Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800? >? >? >? > On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - > since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn > over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - > 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to > prime the engine again after the first flight.? >? > Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. > Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to > prevent abrupt stop.? >? > The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500 flights. It only needed front and rear bearing and > piston ring.? >? > If you have other question, feel free to contact me.? >? > Adrian? >? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > NSRCA-discussion mailing list? > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? > ? _______________________________________________? NSRCA-discussion mailing list? NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? ? McCain or Obama? 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I was under the impression that the CDI stuff was just a few months away and would be here in time for next flying season. Looks to me that even if they do get it out in a year or so, electric will be so much cheaper that there won't be any argument left to re-tool from 2C to 4C. I'll just go straight to electric now when I re-invest. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Newman To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 6:21 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Ed, The CDI system is way better in my opinion. The deal right now is the CDI is being tested so that guys like you are not test subjects. This is a good thing for glow and pattern engines. I have had awesome performance from the system and so have others. The issues we have now are making sure it's going to hold up and also fixing minor little things like spark plug caps and the HS needle touchiness on really low oil. By the way on 10-12% oil the HS is not as touchy and it acts more like an normal engine.. I think there will probably be a new needle valve assembly that will solve the problem of the tuning on low oil content. Right now the HS needle is the same as the glow plug engine. Well the mixture is quite different between glow plug and spark plug. Reliability wise the CDI has been extremely good. But then I have had excellent service from the other DZ engines as well. I know YS is working on fine tuning some of those parts like new HS needles and so on if we need them. It's a learning process. The engine is the best engine I have ever used for pattern bar none. But right now this very second I would say it might not be as easy to operate the CDI as a regular DZ170. Once you know what to look for like Bill Cunningham and I have been running this thing a long time..We have the "new ear" for it. Its way easier to get working and even more consistent too. Low idle and tremendous power and grunt. Before this stuff gets put into production they need to fly it a bunch. We need to fly it a bunch to make sure guys like you don't have problems with it. That's all I was trying to say. I think all the issues are pretty much addressed and are being worked.but we need to get some time on these engines and get things tested to tell where things stand. You can't just make a change to a part and say Ok that's it make all the new production engines that way..because you flew it 5 times today and it worked. I really think this could be a new thing for many other glow engines. Right now the DA150, 100 and 50's are literally as reliable as any engine on the market. Probably more than most. The big reason is not the gasoline it's the electronic ignition. While there have been conversions for years to convert glow to spark.this is some new territory and YS is doing all the things that you guys are talking about. Tuning the advance curve to the engines performance, playing with timing to run lower nitro and less oil. Make more power and swing larger props at slower rpm. These are all things that are going to make pattern flying easier and better. Think 1400rpm idle on a 19 or 20" prop..and downline braking better than anything out there, electric included. This setup really is the ticket for F3A.its just not on the shelf yet. I have some 20% nitro that I'm going to be running in the next week. Right now the power is down a couple hundred rpm from the 30%/5% oil I have been running. On a APC 19-11 Ignition prop or even the one I modified myself it's a pretty awesome combination even at the 20% nitro level. Can we go to low nitro and low oil contents..perhaps. The CDI has the possibility to do many things.but these things can't be tried and perfected over night. YS is working on lots of things to improve this engine and the CDI and low oil content is one set of parameters that are working. I think the next couple years are going to blow people away with the changes that are being made. It's a very exciting time with DSM technology and now the CDI ignition on a glow engine. Even Horizon and Saito developed a Saito 220 into a gasoline 4 stroke. This CDI system is a stepping stone to much bigger ideas and products. Troy From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 12:28 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Maybe I'll just go electric after all. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Troy Newman To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Matt and others with questions on CDI and lower oil content, This is a little long but I feel its information that you guys will appreciate and you should realize where things are in terms of the CDI system. This engine Ed is talking about is a normal YS 170DZ. I have seen the normal YS 170DZ fail on 15% oil content. Busted Con Rod. That is why YS recommends 20% oil content. There are no CDI engines available to the public.. The CDI engine is still at least a year off and there is more testing that is needed. The best and in my opinion the only fuel to run is Cool Power 30% Heli Performance. The oil package is better than any fuel on the market. I use only this fuel and have had extremely impressive results with this fuel and this fuel alone for the past 5-6 years. Other that seem to have problems are bound and determined to run other fuels that they "know are better" This is not an advertisement for Morgan Fuels. It's a fact of life and my experience with engines that others have tried XYZ fuel in. Richard and the YS crew have seen the same results. Morgan has the magic fuel that is very good on these engines. It's the oil package 100% proof positive. I have 160DZ's with over 1000runs that have had bearings and rings replaced and that is all. There is a reason we run that fuel. It flat works better than any other on the market. When a guy has a problem with his engine and you ask what fuel he is running 90% of the time he is not running the good stuff. I know I spend hrs every week answering emails, phone calls and helping guys work on their engines even repairing some of them myself. The CDI engines do have some new parts in order to allow low oil content. The low oil content on a non CDI engine that still has the new parts for low oil makes the engine difficult to tune. The low oil richens the mixture in effect. So with the CDI you can lean the pump and HS way down in order to accommodate the low oil content. On a glow plug you can never lean out the middle without detonating and it's still way too rich at idle. Like I have repeated many times. The CDI system that is being used is in its infant stages at the moment. One thing that we are finding is while the mixture is easier to set without having a lean blown up condition from detonation as there is no detonation. On the other hand it's tough to get the mixture just right in the sweet spot. It seems as the oil content is reduced to where I am running it now (5% oil) the HS needle can get a little touchy in hot weather. One click either way can mean too lean or too rich. This is likely because the HS needle is closed down a bunch and is only open 5/8 turns. Remember this is testing stuff. This information is being passed along to the make the products better and improve performance. You can't take the idea of just put it on a spark plug and then use the same old parts with a new oil content. Yes Spark ignition allows you to change some things.but you will get into future issues and changes that are being tested out now. There is a big difference in the way you tune the two engines. Glow has its methods and Spark acts a little differently. You have to realize that the people that are currently running the setup went through some growing pains on figuring it out. We shared this info with each other as we learned the tricks. This made others that got the new setup right before the NATS like Brett and Don Sczur successful with it at the NATS. Quique's #1 engine had a failure of the spark plug cap. This was a mechanical part the spark plug wire that broke. There is a new spark plug cap on that ignition box and I have flown that exact ignition box since. His #2 engine might just have been a case of not getting the mixture set properly. I usually get it where I think it needs to be and then fly it. In that first flight I will tweak the mixture after I land. There have been more than a few times I have taken off so rich that it won't work and keeps cooling off and off until the motor is not making any power at all. Land and lean it down 2 clicks and its perfect. I thought it was perfect from the tach readings and my "expert" ear. However it was not. So I must repeat the standard 170DZ is just like any other YS DZ engine and should be run accordingly. There are special parts that make it CDI and then there are even more additional parts that make it LOW oil content CDI. When the CDI system is released it is likely that it will have the low oil parts associated with it. To answer your question. No there are not needle bearings on the connecting rod. However the crank, rod, lifters, other parts are different than a standard DZ engine to accommodate the low oil content. I know the parts I converted one of my engines from Stock out of the box production engine from Central Hobbies to CDI back in January. Then I converted that same engine to Low oil capability. I have flown that engine since about May this way. First on normal 30% Cool Power Heli performance Blend.and now on a Cool Power 30% nitro/ 5% oil blend. The normal fuel is fine with the low oil parts. This means that YS could start including low oil parts in production engines before the CDI is released in order to make a easier change over to CDI with low oil later on. I have no information about this plan that I can share. This setup is very cool and works tremendously well. I will not be flying glow plugs anytime soon for sure. There is also work to be done on the program inside the little magic box. Just an electronic ignition like off a DA 50 is not what we are working with. I personally have had 2 different ignition boxes that have different advance curves in them. If you know the engine you can tell the difference. There is still plenty of testing to be done. Yes this is exciting technology and its moving forward very fast at the moment. There is a reason they call it testing. I would suspect late next year at the very soonest to have CDI parts available. We need to run the engines on this low oil for a long time in order to find out what the results are. I have been running this new fuel 5% oil content since about May. I have not had issues. Some others have gone up to a 10-12% oil content as they felt the engine worked better for them. Others that are doing the testing on the new engines are just playing follow the leader as we have been sharing information. Right before the NATS it was a mad dash to make sure we all knew what was going on. By next NATS there will be more testing and guys that were playing follow the setup that works will have tested other setups. Who knows maybe the 10-12% oil is going to be the ticket in the end Right now I have about 8 cases of 30% 5% oil though two engines. Even in 100deg AZ temps and its performance has been good. I had some little issues in June and struggled with it. Those problems were traced down and the solution proved to be correct. Now it's testing testing testing. I know for a fact that a normal on glow plug 170DZ will fail on 15% oil in a few flights. I witnessed it and others experienced the same thing. I hope this helps answer some questions about the system. It's just going to take lots of flights and a few worn out engines to find out the weak links in the system. Troy Newman Team YS From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:14 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; adriancwong at earthlink.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Are you guys seeing that it really needs that much oil? The ignition timing is in a can on this engine and you don't need to use mixture as your timing mechanism. Is the con-rod still bushed or has YS switched to needle bearings? I suppose the amount of oil in heli fuel won't really hurt anything but why would one not use, say, 12% oil? It should allow better gas mileage but not at the expense of bushings breaking down/seezing Eddie were you quoted a price? I'm thinking about this one too MattK -----Original Message----- From: Ed Alt To: adriancwong at earthlink.net; General pattern discussion Sent: Sat, 25 Oct 2008 11:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions Thanks to all who responded, very helpful. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] YS newbie questions > Ed, > >>Exhaust: I guess you buy the Hatori 821 and call it a day? Any special >>mounting tips? > > Most likely you will be couple the 821 pipe with either the 822 or 823 > header - different rise height. Suggest using a Nishioka quick release > pipe mount instead of the pipe mount that came with the pipe. The Nishioka > came in three different heights - 20, 29 and 37 mm rise. Again, it all > depends on which header that you're using. > > >>Engine mount: I've heard a little bit about an isolation mount that YS >>makes, but it's pricey. What, if anything does this buy you as compared >>to a Hyde / Budd mount solution? > > Budd mount is good, but I've found it a bit on the noisy side. Also, I > wish Jerry will switch from 4-40 to 6-32 on the mounting bolts. So far, > I've found the YS mount the best - between idling and full throttle. Less > noise and less vibration. > > >>Fuel: What's the real deal with the oil? Not the percentage, because I >>know that's being experimented with, but what oil does this engine require >>in the fuel? > > Recommend using either Coolpower 30% heli, or 30% with low smoke - all > synthetic, don't use anything with caster oil. I preferred the regular 30% > heli than the low smoke. > >> >>Maintenance: I'ev heard that prior to the first run, you need to take the >>head cover off and oil up the lifters. True? What kind of oil, how much >>etc? What about after run? None needed? What other maintenance tips are >>there to keep this beast going? > > YS shipped all engines with no gap on the valves. However, I always open > it slightly before the first start. Also, take off the valve cover and wet > sand the contact surface on a smooth surface with very fine sand paper. By > doing that, you will eliminate any uneven high spot on the valve cover, > causing the engine to surge due to air leaks. > > Open up the cam cover and drop a few drops of oil inside to lube the the > cam. > > Use either YS or OS F plug > > No after run oil is necessary. After you finish flying, no need to run out > the excess fuel, unless you're planning not to fly for over a year. > > >>Break In: What prop? Lower the nitro? Follow the instructions or is >>there a better way? > > Just use a slightly smaller diameter prop for break-in, and you can use > the same nitro, just run it rich for the first 4 - 5 tanks and gradually > lean it. I used a 16.5x13w for break-in, fly it for 5 - 6 flights on > 17x12w. Currently, I'm experimenting between 17.7x11.7 and 18x11 WPN > re-pitched to 18x12. RPM between 7,600 to 7,800 > > > > On first start of the day, do not use a starter to prime the engine - > since when you turn the prop, pump will feed fuel into engine. Just turn > over the prop 4 - 5 times, then, rock the spinner cone back and forth 4 - > 5 times to activate the pump, it's ready to start. You do not need to > prime the engine again after the first flight. > > Preferably, use a time delay glow driver - to prevent knocking/ kick back. > Do not take the starter away as soon as the engine stated, let it spin for > an additional 2 - 3 seconds to ensure the engine is indeed started to > prevent abrupt stop. > > The 170 is pretty much bullet proof, the last one I sent back for service > have had over 500 flights. 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(I'm an electrical idiot and you'll be able to tell this by my dumb question) I fly pattern (10S) and have 4 packs of 5300 5S Pro lites that still have alot of life in them. We also have two new packs of the Extreme V2's 5000 which are already wired together as 10S and pre-labeled Group A and B. I'd like to rewire my pattern plane to accept just one cable connection and don't exactly know how to rewire the older batteries or where to look for the instructions. I am always getting confused on where I hook the Group A and B into the 210 Balancer. We've just used a Y harness before with no problems, but I want to standardize and simplify my electrical life. What does the Group A and Group B mean and why is it so critical for the 210/1010 setup? What happens if you get it backwards? Could someone please walk me through how to solder up and label these packs? The pattern guys physically assemble the packs by placing stacked Depron foam between the batt's and using fiberglass strapping tape to make the "one pack". BTW, I have the latest firmware 2.3a with no problems... Thanks in advance for your help!John _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjm767driver at hotmail.com Sun Oct 26 08:13:00 2008 From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (chris moon) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:13:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] TP battery question Message-ID: John: Check out this page: http://www.electric-f3a.com/Pack%20wiring.htm Chris John Johnson wrote: Sorry guys for asking this but don't know where else to put it and I know you all could answer this in a split second. (I'm an electrical idiot and you'll be able to tell this by my dumb question) I fly pattern (10S) and have 4 packs of 5300 5S Pro lites that still have alot of life in them. We also have two new packs of the Extreme V2's 5000 which are already wired together as 10S and pre-labeled Group A and B. I'd like to rewire my pattern plane to accept just one cable connection and don't exactly know how to rewire the older batteries or where to look for the instructions. I am always getting confused on where I hook the Group A and B into the 210 Balancer. We've just used a Y harness before with no problems, but I want to standardize and simplify my electrical life. What does the Group A and Group B mean and why is it so critical for the 210/1010 setup? What happens if you get it backwards? Could someone please walk me through how to solder up and label these packs? The pattern guys physically assemble the packs by placing stacked Depron foam between the batt's and using fiberglass strapping tape to make the "one pack". BTW, I have the latest firmware 2.3a with no problems... Thanks in advance for your help! John Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. Try it _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks for your consideration and have a nice day, Mike Mueller ?We prefer not to have to ship the two planes unless we can't find any other way to sell them. ?YS of course can ship. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tstebbins at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 09:30:22 2008 From: tstebbins at gmail.com (Tim) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:30:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits In-Reply-To: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> References: <0016361645c783a9e4045a1422e3@google.com> Message-ID: <5444B705-832E-4B96-8727-CE5FECDA462B@gmail.com> JIm Hiller (District 8) has a 120 design that he is flying and I am building (called the "Option 120"; he also has a 60 size called the "Option 3" that I'm currently flying in Sportsman). It is balsa with foam cores and comes with a really well engineered set of plans. I'm old school and enjoy the building part of the hobby probably more than than flying. The plans are really easy to follow and Jim is very willing to answer any question you may have. You might want to drop Jim a note and he can tell you more about how to obtain the plans and cores. Jim is a really good pilot and he wins almost every contest he enters with this design. But I think the Option 120 plane is so well designed that it may even make me look like I know what I'm doing. On Oct 25, 2008, at 6:47 AM, wilsorc at gmail.com wrote: > Still trying to promote pattern in our club, I keep getting asked if > there are any 2 meter pattern airplane kits available. > Many of our members still like to build. > So...any recommendations or are they non-existant? > > Bob Wilson_______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jnhiller at earthlink.net Sun Oct 26 15:47:26 2008 From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller) Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:47:26 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits In-Reply-To: <5444B705-832E-4B96-8727-CE5FECDA462B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Tim for the kind words. The design was directed towards entry-level competition when I returned to pattern several years back. It served me well in intermediate and advanced but may need further design tweaking for masters, however I have a loooong way to go before I will ever be competitive in masters. I still haven't decided if I will blow it up to a full 2-m or not. After flying the QQ Yak for the last couple weeks I took the Option out yesterday and commented out load that I wished we had adopted the 150-degree box so I could fly close enough in to see what the #$&*) I was doing. Bigger really is better. Right now I'm building a 55 size all wood (no foam) to hopefully encourage some new sportsman competitors. Besides I just like to build and adding scale detail to unfinished scale projects makes me tired. I told Will that if I didn't like it he could have it (fits in his Mustang), He said to just put his name in it and he would let me fly it. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:30 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Pattern Kits JIm Hiller (District 8) has a 120 design that he is flying and I am building (called the "Option 120"; he also has a 60 size called the "Option 3" that I'm currently flying in Sportsman). It is balsa with foam cores and comes with a really well engineered set of plans. I'm old school and enjoy the building part of the hobby probably more than than flying. The plans are really easy to follow and Jim is very willing to answer any question you may have. You might want to drop Jim a note and he can tell you more about how to obtain the plans and cores. Jim is a really good pilot and he wins almost every contest he enters with this design. But I think the Option 120 plane is so well designed that it may even make me look like I know what I'm doing. On Oct 25, 2008, at 6:47 AM, wilsorc at gmail.com wrote: > Still trying to promote pattern in our club, I keep getting asked if > there are any 2 meter pattern airplane kits available. > Many of our members still like to build. > So...any recommendations or are they non-existant? > > Bob Wilson_______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jaqfly at prodigy.net Sun Oct 26 16:04:42 2008 From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:04:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Areswti for Masters 09 10 Message-ID: <330926.54677.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> HI, ? Does anyone know where I can find the Aresti for the 09/10 Masters sequence. ? Thanks, ? 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URL: From mjfrederick at cox.net Sun Oct 26 16:44:40 2008 From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:44:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Attention Don Ramsey Message-ID: Not sure if anyone notified you yet or not, but we're pretty sure you left you canopy at the field in Crowley. I think Brandon left it with Jon. Matt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From donramsey at gmail.com Sun Oct 26 17:26:25 2008 From: donramsey at gmail.com (Don Ramsey) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:26:25 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results In-Reply-To: <20081027003811.77E2E115B8@bridi.netexpress.com> References: <330926.54677.qm@web83302.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <20081027003811.77E2E115B8@bridi.netexpress.com> Message-ID: <019701c937d3$0ac660d0$20532270$@com> Results for the Cajun NATS, Crowley, LA is posted on http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patterndude at tx.rr.com Sun Oct 26 18:50:19 2008 From: patterndude at tx.rr.com (Lance Van Nostrand) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:50:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Cajun Nats Thanx Message-ID: <0C538D18DD114340B670AC269B07E380@homer> On my long drive home I called a number of my pattern buds and told them what a great contest they missed. There's no way to instill too much guilt and longing in their sorry butts for not making Crowley contests (either Spring or Fall). Many thanks for the hospitality of the Martin family: Chris and Miss Pat working concessions and making the group dinner on Friday, Jon for cooking the pork steaks, prepping the field and running a smooth contest, Heather for her running the scoring in between taking college ACTs. I was impressed that the fish at the fish fry were even caught by Jon and cooked by his brother Dean. Jon and his family and the rest of the RAMS club do a fantastic job and I have nothing but awe and gratitude for you. 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The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a?"tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? ? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. ? Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what?choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? ? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. ? Thanks much Colin. ? __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? 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I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700From: cchariandy at yahoo.caTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter days (so some wind will be a factor). I have looked at the Element 30, Aspera, Vanquish and the new Angel 30. The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a "tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. Thanks much Colin. Looking for the perfect gift? 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Colin --- On Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN wrote: From: JEREMY CHINN Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM #yiv363361519 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv363361519 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. ? I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong! ? Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. ? I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. ? I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. ? All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all ? I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would?like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter?days (so some wind will be a factor). ? I have looked at the?Element 30, Aspera,?Vanquish and the new Angel 30. ? The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a?"tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? ? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. ? Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what?choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? ? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. ? Thanks much Colin. ? Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. 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URL: From cchariandy at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 27 08:03:46 2008 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:03:46 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes In-Reply-To: <4905E4C5.4060708@optonline.net> Message-ID: <83799.85786.qm@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes, the Angel 50 looks great,?I don't fly ePattern so the cost of the packs will hurt. ? Colin. --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Stuart Chale wrote: From: Stuart Chale Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "General pattern discussion" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:56 AM I have not flown the vanquish but did see it flown at a contest by an FAI flyer.? Very capable for a small plane.? Fully able to do the FAI pattern (in proper hands).? Certainly not as smooth as a 2M plane but will allow you to get some practice in.? If you can budget a little larger plane (still able to fly the pattern at smaller R/C fields, not a park) the Angel S 50 is an awesome plane.? Much better than the vanquish IMO.? Joe L's setup allows very good performance on 5 cell 5000 packs (half of an electric 2M pack) so new batteries are not required if you fly lectric 2M.? The manufacturer calls for 6 cell packs with a lower KV motor.? I purchased one for my son to get more into pattern and to have a plane to fly at our alternate field (much tighter space restrictions) when the main field is closed for the colder months.? (No weekends Nov and Dec and closed Jan - March).? It fits both bills very well.? The angel 50 would be very competitive in a contest against standard pattern setups, with it's smaller size only a slight handicap.? I did have a problem with he stab incidence with the first one I bought (still flew very well, even with a lot of up elevator trim, see RCU for pictures).? After several weeks I am getting a replacement from the importer.? (Very understanding on the phone but took a while to send the new plane out.) Stuart Chale colin chariandy wrote: Thanks for the info....that?makes the Vanquish a good option. ? I only fly the Inspire mini (21oz) at the local park. The others are for the flying site. ? Colin --- On Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN wrote: From: JEREMY CHINN Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM #yiv1876212423 #yiv363361519 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1876212423 #yiv363361519 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. ? I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong! ? Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. ? I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. ? I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. ? All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all ? I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would?like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter?days (so some wind will be a factor). ? I have looked at the?Element 30, Aspera,?Vanquish and the new Angel 30. ? The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a?"tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? ? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. ? Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what?choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? ? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. ? Thanks much Colin. ? Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. Try it Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Mon Oct 27 08:51:14 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:51:14 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes In-Reply-To: <83799.85786.qm@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <83799.85786.qm@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB066B4D87482D-A08-C73@WEBMAIL-DF15.sysops.aol.com> Was talking with Joe Lochoewski just yesterday about his Angel 50 using a YS63 or Saito 70 in this model. He said that a conversion kit is available for glow. It's a bit large for the 63 in my view (and probably the 70 also). A 2 stroke 45 such as the YS would probably be a better solution but would require a small pipe to get full benefits. ? Joe's weighs in at around 6 lbs with the epower set-up Stuart describes and it has decent power in moderate wind (yesterday was around 10 mph but gusty) . Expect 5 1/2 - 5 3/4?pounds with the YS 45 2c, or 63 4c. At 300$ it doesn't really break the bank but is a little pricey. In better conditions this would be a really good model more closely working like a 2 meter plane ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: colin chariandy <cchariandy at yahoo.ca> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>; Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Yes, the Angel 50 looks great,?I don't fly ePattern so the cost of the packs will hurt. ? Colin. --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> wrote: From: Stuart Chale <schale at optonline.net> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:56 AM I have not flown the vanquish but did see it flown at a contest by an FAI flyer.? Very capable for a small plane.? Fully able to do the FAI pattern (in proper hands).? Certainly not as smooth as a 2M plane but will allow you to get some practice in.? If you can budget a little larger plane (still able to fly the pattern at smaller R/C fields, not a park) the Angel S 50 is an awesome plane.? Much better than the vanquish IMO.? Joe L's setup allows very good performance on 5 cell 5000 packs (half of an electric 2M pack) so new batteries are not required if you fly lectric 2M.? The manufacturer calls for 6 cell packs with a lower KV motor.? I purchased one for my son to get more into pattern and to have a plane to fly at our alternate field (much tighter space restrictions) when the main field is closed for the colder months.? (No weekends Nov and Dec and closed Jan - March).? It fits both bills very well.? The angel 50 would be very competitive in a contest against standard pat tern setups, with it's smaller size only a slight handicap.? I did have a problem with he stab incidence with the first one I bought (still flew very well, even with a lot of up elevator trim, see RCU for pictures).? After several weeks I am getting a replacement from the importer.? (Very understanding on the phone but took a while to send the new plane out.) Stuart Chale colin chariandy wrote: Thanks for the info....that?makes the Vanquish a good option. ? I only fly the Inspire mini (21oz) at the local park. The others are for the flying site. ? Colin --- On Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN <lagrue at hotmail.com> wrote: From: JEREMY CHINN <lagrue at hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "NSRCA Mailing List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. ? I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong! ? Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. ? I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. ? I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. ? All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all ? I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would?like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter?days (so some wind will be a factor). ? I have looked at the?Element 30, Aspera,?Vanquish and the new Angel 30. ? The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a?"tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? ? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. ? Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what?choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? ? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. ? Thanks much Colin. ? Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. Try it Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. Get your new email address now! _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlachow at hotmail.com Mon Oct 27 09:32:50 2008 From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 17:32:50 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes In-Reply-To: <8CB066B4D87482D-A08-C73@WEBMAIL-DF15.sysops.aol.com> References: <83799.85786.qm@web31302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8CB066B4D87482D-A08-C73@WEBMAIL-DF15.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: OS 55AX might be a good choice. The setup Matt saw was flying on were tired Duralite 5300 5S packs with around 100 cycles in 60 degree F temps. Here is the link for the 50E conversion kit. Not 100% sure this is for all the Sebart 50E planes. By the description it appears to be. http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=8881 To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:54 -0400From: rcmaster199 at aol.comSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Was talking with Joe Lochoewski just yesterday about his Angel 50 using a YS63 or Saito 70 in this model. He said that a conversion kit is available for glow. It's a bit large for the 63 in my view (and probably the 70 also). A 2 stroke 45 such as the YS would probably be a better solution but would require a small pipe to get full benefits. Joe's weighs in at around 6 lbs with the epower set-up Stuart describes and it has decent power in moderate wind (yesterday was around 10 mph but gusty) . Expect 5 1/2 - 5 3/4 pounds with the YS 45 2c, or 63 4c. At 300$ it doesn't really break the bank but is a little pricey. In better conditions this would be a really good model more closely working like a 2 meter plane MattK -----Original Message-----From: colin chariandy To: General pattern discussion ; Stuart Chale Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:03 pmSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Yes, the Angel 50 looks great, I don't fly ePattern so the cost of the packs will hurt. Colin.--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Stuart Chale wrote: From: Stuart Chale Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planesTo: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "General pattern discussion" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:56 AM I have not flown the vanquish but did see it flown at a contest by an FAI flyer. Very capable for a small plane. Fully able to do the FAI pattern (in proper hands). Certainly not as smooth as a 2M plane but will allow you to get some practice in. If you can budget a little larger plane (still able to fly the pattern at smaller R/C fields, not a park) the Angel S 50 is an awesome plane. Much better than the vanquish IMO. Joe L's setup allows very good performance on 5 cell 5000 packs (half of an electric 2M pack) so new batteries are not required if you fly lectric 2M. The manufacturer calls for 6 cell packs with a lower KV motor. I purchased one for my son to get more into pattern and to have a plane to fly at our alternate field (much tighter space restrictions) when the main field is closed for the colder months. (No weekends Nov and Dec and closed Jan - March). It fits both bills very well.&n bsp; The angel 50 would be very competitive in a contest against standard pattern setups, with it's smaller size only a slight handicap. I did have a problem with he stab incidence with the first one I bought (still flew very well, even with a lot of up elevator trim, see RCU for pictures). After several weeks I am getting a replacement from the importer. (Very understanding on the phone but took a while to send the new plane out.)Stuart Chalecolin chariandy wrote: Thanks for the info....that makes the Vanquish a good option. I only fly the Inspire mini (21oz) at the local park. The others are for the flying site. Colin--- On Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN wrote: From: JEREMY CHINN Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planesTo: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong! Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700From: cchariandy at yahoo.caTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter days (so some wind will be a factor). I have looked at the Element 30, Aspera, Vanquish and the new Angel 30. The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a "tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. Thanks much Colin. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. Try it Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. 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Needing someting to put my tired batteries in to finish them off, i geuss the performance is pattern like in the Angel 50? ________________________________ From: Joe Lachowski To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:32:47 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes OS 55AX might be a?good choice. The setup Matt saw was flying on?were tired Duralite 5300 5S packs with around 100 cycles in 60 degree F temps. ? Here is the link for the 50E conversion kit. Not 100% sure this?is?for all the Sebart 50E planes. By the description it appears to be. ? http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=8881 ________________________________ To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:54 -0400 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Was talking with Joe Lochoewski just yesterday about his Angel 50 using a YS63 or Saito 70 in this model. He said that a conversion kit is available for glow. It's a bit large for the 63 in my view (and probably the 70 also). A 2 stroke 45 such as the YS would probably be a better solution but would require a small pipe to get full benefits. Joe's weighs in at around 6 lbs with the epower set-up Stuart describes and it has decent power in moderate wind (yesterday was around 10 mph but gusty) . Expect 5 1/2 - 5 3/4?pounds with the YS 45 2c, or 63 4c. At 300$ it doesn't really break the bank but is a little pricey. In better conditions this would be a really good model more closely working like a 2 meter plane MattK -----Original Message----- From: colin chariandy To: General pattern discussion ; Stuart Chale Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:03 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Yes, the Angel 50 looks great,?I don't fly ePattern so the cost of the packs will hurt. Colin. --- On Mon, 10/27/08, Stuart Chale wrote: From: Stuart Chale Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "General pattern discussion" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:56 AM I have not flown the vanquish but did see it flown at a contest by an FAI flyer.? Very capable for a small plane.? Fully able to do the FAI pattern (in proper hands).? Certainly not as smooth as a 2M plane but will allow you to get some practice in.? If you can budget a little larger plane (still able to fly the pattern at smaller R/C fields, not a park) the Angel S 50 is an awesome plane.? Much better than the vanquish IMO.? Joe L's setup allows very good performance on 5 cell 5000 packs (half of an electric 2M pack) so new batteries are not required if you fly lectric 2M.? The manufacturer calls for 6 cell packs with a lower KV motor.? I purchased one for my son to get more into pattern and to have a plane to fly at our alternate field (much tighter space restrictions) when the main field is closed for the colder months.? (No weekends Nov and Dec and closed Jan - March).? It fits both bills very well.&n bsp; The angel 50 would be very competitive in a contest against standard pattern setups, with it's smaller size only a slight handicap.? I did have a problem with he stab incidence with the first one I bought (still flew very well, even with a lot of up elevator trim, see RCU for pictures).? After several weeks I am getting a replacement from the importer.? (Very understanding on the phone but took a while to send the new plane out.) Stuart Chale colin chariandy wrote: Thanks for the info....that?makes the Vanquish a good option. I only fly the Inspire mini (21oz) at the local park. The others are for the flying site. Colin --- On Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN wrote: From: JEREMY CHINN Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. ? I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong! ? Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. ? I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. ? I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. ? All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... ________________________________ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would?like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter?days (so some wind will be a factor). I have looked at the?Element 30, Aspera,?Vanquish and the new Angel 30. The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a?"tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what?choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. Thanks much Colin. ________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift?Give the gift of Flickr! ________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. Try it ________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. Get your new email address now! _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! ________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. Learn Now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlachow at hotmail.com Mon Oct 27 13:57:15 2008 From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 21:57:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes In-Reply-To: <541773.94781.qm@web35204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <541773.94781.qm@web35204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I meant 5350's. It is adequate enough. I'm practicing the 2009 Masters pattern with it. Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 10:54:38 -0700From: brian_w_young at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes How do the tired 5300's work? Needing someting to put my tired batteries in to finish them off, i geuss the performance is pattern like in the Angel 50? From: Joe Lachowski To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 12:32:47 PMSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes OS 55AX might be a good choice. The setup Matt saw was flying on were tired Duralite 5300 5S packs with around 100 cycles in 60 degree F temps. Here is the link for the 50E conversion kit. Not 100% sure this is for all the Sebart 50E planes. By the description it appears to be. http://www.espritmodel.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=8881 To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:50:54 -0400From: rcmaster199 at aol.comSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Was talking with Joe Lochoewski just yesterday about his Angel 50 using a YS63 or Saito 70 in this model. He said that a conversion kit is available for glow. It's a bit large for the 63 in my view (and probably the 70 also). A 2 stroke 45 such as the YS would probably be a better solution but would require a small pipe to get full benefits. Joe's weighs in at around 6 lbs with the epower set-up Stuart describes and it has decent power in moderate wind (yesterday was around 10 mph but gusty) . Expect 5 1/2 - 5 3/4 pounds with the YS 45 2c, or 63 4c. At 300$ it doesn't really break the bank but is a little pricey. In better conditions this would be a really good model more closely working like a 2 meter plane MattK -----Original Message-----From: colin chariandy To: General pattern discussion ; Stuart Chale Sent: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 12:03 pmSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Yes, the Angel 50 looks great, I don't fly ePattern so the cost of the packs will hurt. Colin.--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Stuart Chale wrote: From: Stuart Chale Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planesTo: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "General pattern discussion" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 11:56 AM I have not flown the vanquish but did see it flown at a contest by an FAI flyer. Very capable for a small plane. Fully able to do the FAI pattern (in proper hands). Certainly not as smooth as a 2M plane but will allow you to get some practice in. If you can budget a little larger plane (still able to fly the pattern at smaller R/C fields, not a park) the Angel S 50 is an awesome plane. Much better than the vanquish IMO. Joe L's setup allows very good performance on 5 cell 5000 packs (half of an electric 2M pack) so new batteries are not required if you fly lectric 2M. The manufacturer calls for 6 cell packs with a lower KV motor. I purchased one for my son to get more into pattern and to have a plane to fly at our alternate field (much tighter space restrictions) when the main field is closed for the colder months. (No weekends Nov and Dec and closed Jan - March). It fits both bills very well.&n bsp; The angel 50 would be very competitive in a contest against standard pattern setups, with it's smaller size only a slight handicap. I did have a problem with he stab incidence with the first one I bought (still flew very well, even with a lot of up elevator trim, see RCU for pictures). After several weeks I am getting a replacement from the importer. (Very understanding on the phone but took a while to send the new plane out.)Stuart Chalecolin chariandy wrote: Thanks for the info....that makes the Vanquish a good option. I only fly the Inspire mini (21oz) at the local park. The others are for the flying site. Colin--- On Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN wrote: From: JEREMY CHINN Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planesTo: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong! Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700From: cchariandy at yahoo.caTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter days (so some wind will be a factor). I have looked at the Element 30, Aspera, Vanquish and the new Angel 30. The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a "tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. Thanks much Colin. Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. Try it Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. Get your new email address now! _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. Learn Now _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn ?10 hidden secrets? from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cchariandy at yahoo.ca Mon Oct 27 18:37:36 2008 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 02:37:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <795175.50489.qm@web31305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I ordered a Vanquish with the standard power system from EF. ? What's the best battery and prop?for 6-7 min FAI practice? ? Colin. --- On Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN wrote: From: JEREMY CHINN Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM #yiv400810210 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv400810210 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. ? I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong! ? Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. ? I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. ? I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. ? All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all ? I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would?like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter?days (so some wind will be a factor). ? I have looked at the?Element 30, Aspera,?Vanquish and the new Angel 30. ? The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a?"tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? ? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. ? Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what?choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? ? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. ? Thanks much Colin. ? Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. 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Extreme Flight RC sells this fantastic small, fully capable pattern plane. Also the wings are removable and RC Aerobatics.com has some very nice small wing bags that work well for the Vanquish. Regards Bryan -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of colin chariandy Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:38 PM To: NSRCA Mailing List; JEREMY CHINN Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes I ordered a Vanquish with the standard power system from EF. What's the best battery and prop for 6-7 min FAI practice? Colin. --- On Mon, 10/27/08, JEREMY CHINN wrote: From: JEREMY CHINN Subject: RE: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "NSRCA Mailing List" Received: Monday, October 27, 2008, 10:51 AM Colin, I've not flown any of the others besides the Flitons. I'd heartily recommend the Vanquish. The awkward landing gear is fixed by quickly re-drilling the holes in the landing gear legs. The toe-out is not supposed to be there (quite obviously). At least the gear is strong and requires no reinforcement to stay strong! Build the airplane as recommended with the stock power system and put a washer under the left motor mount tabs to give it some right thrust. I've had two and found that it needs a small amount of rudder to aileron mix to get rid of all coupling. I love the Flitons as well, however as you mentioned, they have their problems. All that being said, I would not fly any of the planes on your list in a local park......... _____ Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:26:38 -0700 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes Hello all I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter days (so some wind will be a factor). I have looked at the Element 30, Aspera, Vanquish and the new Angel 30. The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a "tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. Thanks much Colin. _____ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! _____ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. Try it _____ Now with a new friend-happy design! Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shannah1806 at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 08:11:43 2008 From: shannah1806 at gmail.com (steve hannah) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:11:43 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools In-Reply-To: <4903B5A7.2050805@comcast.net> References: <49037FA7.40002@optonline.net> <4903B5A7.2050805@comcast.net> Message-ID: I always cut and splice the wires. After a few years of trying the self-crimp method, I found that I was never able to get the same quality as the factory automated crimpers used by the oem's. Especially on connectors that are repeatedly removed, like ailerons. On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Duane Beck wrote: > Jameco carries it. > > http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=338678 > > > Stuart Chale wrote: > >> I like H tools HT 225D. It is a ratcheting crimper with the 2 levels of >> crimping surfaces for the wire and the insulation, >> I have the other one that most places sell and it does not do as nice a >> job. I bought mine from Dreamworks model products. Cost was $35. Not sure >> if they still sell it. I didn't see it on their website. >> >> Stuart C >> >> John Konneker wrote: >> >>> Can anyone recommend a crimping tool they have had success with? >>> I am wanting to shorten some servo leads and instead of cutting and >>> splicing >>> I would like to crimp a new plug on. Of course the most important thing >>> is >>> to have confidence in the new plug since the of life the airplane will be >>> riding >>> on it. >>> Thanks! >>> JLK >>> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vicenterc at comcast.net Tue Oct 28 08:58:30 2008 From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:58:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools Message-ID: <102820081658.13762.490744B00003911E000035C222165548860C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> In the old times I did this by opening the servo and re-soldering after adjusting the length of the servo lead. I am not sure about doing this in modern servos. Probably is still viable. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "steve hannah" I always cut and splice the wires. After a few years of trying the self-crimp method, I found that I was never able to get the same quality as the factory automated crimpers used by the oem's. Especially on connectors that are repeatedly removed, like ailerons. On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Duane Beck wrote: Jameco carries it. http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=338678 Stuart Chale wrote: I like H tools HT 225D. It is a ratcheting crimper with the 2 levels of crimping surfaces for the wire and the insulation, I have the other one that most places sell and it does not do as nice a job. I bought mine from Dreamworks model products. Cost was $35. Not sure if they still sell it. I didn't see it on their website. Stuart C John Konneker wrote: Can anyone recommend a crimping tool they have had success with? I am wanting to shorten some servo leads and instead of cutting and splicing I would like to crimp a new plug on. Of course the most important thing is to have confidence in the new plug since the of life the airplane will be riding on it. Thanks! JLK _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "steve hannah" Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:12:17 +0000 Size: 726 URL: From vicenterc at comcast.net Tue Oct 28 08:58:30 2008 From: vicenterc at comcast.net (vicenterc at comcast.net) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:58:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools Message-ID: <102820081658.13762.490744B00003911E000035C222165548860C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> In the old times I did this by opening the servo and re-soldering after adjusting the length of the servo lead. I am not sure about doing this in modern servos. Probably is still viable. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "steve hannah" I always cut and splice the wires. After a few years of trying the self-crimp method, I found that I was never able to get the same quality as the factory automated crimpers used by the oem's. Especially on connectors that are repeatedly removed, like ailerons. On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Duane Beck wrote: Jameco carries it. http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=338678 Stuart Chale wrote: I like H tools HT 225D. It is a ratcheting crimper with the 2 levels of crimping surfaces for the wire and the insulation, I have the other one that most places sell and it does not do as nice a job. I bought mine from Dreamworks model products. Cost was $35. Not sure if they still sell it. I didn't see it on their website. Stuart C John Konneker wrote: Can anyone recommend a crimping tool they have had success with? I am wanting to shorten some servo leads and instead of cutting and splicing I would like to crimp a new plug on. Of course the most important thing is to have confidence in the new plug since the of life the airplane will be riding on it. Thanks! JLK _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "steve hannah" Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:12:17 +0000 Size: 726 URL: From vanputte at cox.net Tue Oct 28 09:08:17 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 17:08:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools In-Reply-To: <102820081658.13762.490744B00003911E000035C222165548860C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> References: <102820081658.13762.490744B00003911E000035C222165548860C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: With the new "surface mount" technology, it takes a person with good equipment and soldering skills to replace servo leads. Ron Van Putte On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:58 AM, vicenterc at comcast.net wrote: > In the old times I did this by opening the servo and re-soldering > after adjusting the length of the servo lead. I am not sure about > doing this in modern servos. Probably is still viable. > > -- > Vicente "Vince" Bortone > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "steve hannah" > I always cut and splice the wires. After a few years of trying the > self-crimp method, I found that I was never able to get the same > quality as the factory automated crimpers used by the oem's. > Especially on connectors that are repeatedly removed, like ailerons. > > On Sat, Oct 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Duane Beck > wrote: > Jameco carries it. > http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay? > langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&productId=338678 > > > > Stuart Chale wrote: > I like H tools HT 225D. It is a ratcheting crimper with the 2 > levels of crimping surfaces for the wire and the insulation, > I have the other one that most places sell and it does not do as > nice a job. I bought mine from Dreamworks model products. Cost > was $35. Not sure if they still sell it. I didn't see it on their > website. > > Stuart C > > John Konneker wrote: > Can anyone recommend a crimping tool they have had success with? > I am wanting to shorten some servo leads and instead of cutting and > splicing > I would like to crimp a new plug on. Of course the most important > thing is > to have confidence in the new plug since the of life the airplane > will be riding > on it. > Thanks! > JLK > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > From: "steve hannah" > Date: October 28, 2008 11:12:17 AM CDT > To: "General pattern discussion" > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Servo lead crimping tools > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 28 11:14:37 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:14:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions Message-ID: Does anyone have (link or otherwise) the FAI power point presentation for P-09 and F-09? How many judges should be used to drop high and low? Is 4 enough? Thanks Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM From kerlock at comcast.net Tue Oct 28 11:56:35 2008 From: kerlock at comcast.net (Mike Hester) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:56:35 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions References: Message-ID: I would think 5, use 3... -M ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "NSRCA" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions > Does anyone have (link or otherwise) the FAI power point presentation for > P-09 and F-09? > > How many judges should be used to drop high and low? Is 4 enough? > > Thanks > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 > 10:04 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11000 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11000 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ From jim.woodward at baesystems.com Tue Oct 28 11:59:28 2008 From: jim.woodward at baesystems.com (Woodward, Jim (US SSA)) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:59:28 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7b4e7t$7m24a@dmzms99902.na.baesystems.com> If we use 5 judges, can't we use TBL? Is there a TBL expert that can speak to this or perhaps offer software? Thanks, Jim -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hester Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:56 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions I would think 5, use 3... -M ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "NSRCA" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions > Does anyone have (link or otherwise) the FAI power point presentation for > P-09 and F-09? > > How many judges should be used to drop high and low? Is 4 enough? > > Thanks > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 > 10:04 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) > Database version: 5.11000 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11000 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net Tue Oct 28 11:59:52 2008 From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 19:59:52 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home Message-ID: <86644.15601.qm@web180110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Cany anyone recommend a good small/quiet air compressor? 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Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home Cany anyone recommend a good small/quiet air compressor? I need to a small (not toy like small) air compressor, but need a quiet one to use at home during the night. Thank you, Ihncheol -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home ? Cany anyone recommend a good small/quiet air compressor? I need to?a small (not toy like small)?air compressor, but need a quiet one to use at home during the night.? ? Thank you, ? Ihncheol_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And yes, I know I have walked into this one.this thread could go really wrong very quickly.. _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hochhalter Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:58 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor forhome Arch, i am not sure what tools you would be running in the bedroom and if that person would be sleeping anyways but thanks! --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Archie Stafford wrote: From: Archie Stafford Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 8:05 PM I just bought a really nice Craftsman one at sears for about 140 bucks. Small, but very quiet. I wouldn't use it in the bedroom when someone is sleeping, but certainly not loud.. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home Cany anyone recommend a good small/quiet air compressor? I need to a small (not toy like small) air compressor, but need a quiet one to use at home during the night. Thank you, Ihncheol _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Arch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home Cany anyone recommend a good small/quiet air compressor? I need to a small (not toy like small) air compressor, but need a quiet one to use at home during the night. Thank you, Ihncheol ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What do you need an air compressor in the bedroom for? ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor forhome I just bought a really nice Craftsman one at sears for about 140 bucks. Small, but very quiet. I wouldn't use it in the bedroom when someone is sleeping, but certainly not loud.. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home Cany anyone recommend a good small/quiet air compressor? I need to a small (not toy like small) air compressor, but need a quiet one to use at home during the night. 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What do you need an air compressor in the bedroom for? ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor forhome I just bought a really nice Craftsman one at sears for about 140 bucks.? Small, but very quiet.? I wouldn?t use it in the bedroom when someone is sleeping, but certainly not loud?. ? Arch ? ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home ? Cany anyone recommend a good small/quiet air compressor? I need to?a small (not toy like small)?air compressor, but need a quiet one to use at home during the night.? ? Thank you, ? Ihncheol _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 28 13:47:05 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:47:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: Shinden for sale Message-ID: Posting for a friend. Let me know if interested. Would prefer not to ship, but not out of the question. Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com Ready to fly Shinden (White and Blue scheme, http://www.xtremecomposite.com/images/catalog/SHINDEN.jpg) YS 160DZ Engine with Hyde mount Hatory Short pipe set up Futaba 9402 high torq servos elevator x1 ,rudder x1 ,ailerons x2 Futaba 3305 throttle servo ES carbon gear alum spinner 3 1/2 FAI lite back plate. Futaba 149DP PCM RX The RTF Price of... $2000 (plus shipping if needed) No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rex > From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:12:53 -0500> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions> > Does anyone have (link or otherwise) the FAI power point presentation for P-09 and F-09?> > How many judges should be used to drop high and low? Is 4 enough?> > Thanks> > Regards,> Jason> www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com> www.composite-arf.com> > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rex ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 15:12:53 -0500 > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions > > Does anyone have (link or otherwise) the FAI power point presentation for P-09 and F-09? > > How many judges should be used to drop high and low? Is 4 enough? > > Thanks > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. 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Is 4 enough? > > Thanks > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 28 16:10:53 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:10:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Trinny in TX info Message-ID: Anyone in TX have any contact info for Mark Mendonca, the new Trinny to the area? If so, can you please send it to me so we can get in contact with him. Thanks Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM From DrMarkMD at aol.com Tue Oct 28 16:11:59 2008 From: DrMarkMD at aol.com (Mark Lamos) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:11:59 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] unsuscribe Message-ID: <004201c9395a$eec02720$cc407560$@com> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com Tue Oct 28 16:18:11 2008 From: KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:18:11 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quietcompressorforhome References: <86644.15601.qm@web180110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><008001c9393d$284c09f0$4658550a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <008101c9395c$aa43e300$0200a8c0@kencopepere> Yes, someone would...LOL!!! Not me...nope...I wouldn't do a thing like that...;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quietcompressorforhome I could answer that, and could probably make up really good answers.but Tara would KILL me.and I'm smart enough to know that someone here would forward it to her. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:09 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressorforhome I'm not touching that one......ok...yes I am. What do you need an air compressor in the bedroom for? ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor forhome I just bought a really nice Craftsman one at sears for about 140 bucks. Small, but very quiet. I wouldn't use it in the bedroom when someone is sleeping, but certainly not loud.. Arch ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ihncheol Park Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:30 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Need recommandation on quiet compressor for home Cany anyone recommend a good small/quiet air compressor? I need to a small (not toy like small) air compressor, but need a quiet one to use at home during the night. Thank you, Ihncheol ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From moleski at canisius.edu Tue Oct 28 16:46:03 2008 From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:46:03 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] unsuscribe In-Reply-To: <004201c9395a$eec02720$cc407560$@com> References: <004201c9395a$eec02720$cc407560$@com> Message-ID: <4907B246.9040200@canisius.edu> If you go to this URL (which is attached to every message sent to this mailing list), you can unsubscribe yourself: > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Marty From cchariandy at yahoo.ca Tue Oct 28 16:47:31 2008 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:47:31 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Trinny in TX info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <159648.26249.qm@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have been trying to reach him for some time now as well....can you pass the info on when you get it. ? Colin. --- On Tue, 10/28/08, JShulman wrote: From: JShulman Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Trinny in TX info To: "NSRCA" Received: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:09 PM Anyone in TX have any contact info for Mark Mendonca, the new Trinny to the area? If so, can you please send it to me so we can get in contact with him. Thanks Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Great guys. msm1303 at yahoo.com 832-698-1873 Regards, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "NSRCA" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 20:09 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Trinny in TX info > Anyone in TX have any contact info for Mark Mendonca, the new Trinny to > the area? If so, can you please send it to me so we can get > in contact with him. Thanks > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 > 10:04 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From pcosky at comcast.net Tue Oct 28 20:06:16 2008 From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:06:16 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a wing tube Message-ID: <012301c9397b$aed6e790$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Does anyone have a spare 7/8" CF wing tube and socket they want to part with? Seems no one has them in stock right now. I'd even go for just the tube if nothing else. Contact me off list pcosky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Canada Messenger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From verne at twmi.rr.com Tue Oct 28 20:50:34 2008 From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:50:34 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions References: Message-ID: <9BEF2F6F2286454EA962C4EAB61358B4@Vinnie> Jason, If you just want to drop the high and low w/o applying any FAI mandates, 3 is enough. We used to do that years ago in my area years ago to counter some regional bias that was occurring at the time. We took a good look at the results and found that 2 of the 3 judges gave the same score well over 90% of the time. Dropping the high and low made one of those scores count. For everyone who's gearing up to argue this all the way to November 4th, don't bother. I know all the pros and cons. It took care of a problem we had when most of our US Team was still in diapers. Fortunately, it's not a problem anymore and we rarely have enough contestant judges to put 3 out there at a time anyway. Nonetheless, it was still interesting to compare back then and also pointed out who was cheating (to no avail). Verne ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "NSRCA" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions > Does anyone have (link or otherwise) the FAI power point presentation for > P-09 and F-09? > > How many judges should be used to drop high and low? Is 4 enough? > > Thanks > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 > 10:04 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Tue Oct 28 20:58:01 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 04:58:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions In-Reply-To: <9BEF2F6F2286454EA962C4EAB61358B4@Vinnie> Message-ID: Wow... finally something good comes from being the old man on the team...lol. I wondered about using 3 judges. I guess it'll really come down to how many are judging and probably a pilots vote. Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Verne Koester Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:51 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions Jason, If you just want to drop the high and low w/o applying any FAI mandates, 3 is enough. We used to do that years ago in my area years ago to counter some regional bias that was occurring at the time. We took a good look at the results and found that 2 of the 3 judges gave the same score well over 90% of the time. Dropping the high and low made one of those scores count. For everyone who's gearing up to argue this all the way to November 4th, don't bother. I know all the pros and cons. It took care of a problem we had when most of our US Team was still in diapers. Fortunately, it's not a problem anymore and we rarely have enough contestant judges to put 3 out there at a time anyway. Nonetheless, it was still interesting to compare back then and also pointed out who was cheating (to no avail). Verne ----- Original Message ----- From: "JShulman" To: "NSRCA" Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] couple questions > Does anyone have (link or otherwise) the FAI power point presentation for > P-09 and F-09? > > How many judges should be used to drop high and low? Is 4 enough? > > Thanks > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 > 10:04 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.4/1752 - Release Date: 10/28/2008 10:04 AM From brett.terry at gmail.com Tue Oct 28 21:09:51 2008 From: brett.terry at gmail.com (brett terry) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:09:51 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a wing tube In-Reply-To: <012301c9397b$aed6e790$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> References: <012301c9397b$aed6e790$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: Pete, what length do you need? Troybuiltmodels.com has the 7/8" in stock in 30" length. http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/newsite/planeacc/wingtubes/wingtubes.html#inches On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Pete Cosky wrote: > Does anyone have a spare 7/8" CF wing tube and socket they want to part > with? Seems no one has them in stock right now. I'd even go for just the > tube if nothing else. > > Contact me off list pcosky at comcast.net > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed_alt at hotmail.com Tue Oct 28 21:38:08 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:38:08 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info References: <145354.48558.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Mike: Don's Hobby Shop sells some books that would help. Crosswind Flying is probably the one for him to look into. http://www.donshobbyshop.com/ Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info Is there a book or a cd for beginners? 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URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Tue Oct 28 21:55:24 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 05:55:24 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a wing tube In-Reply-To: <012301c9397b$aed6e790$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <953664.54265.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Did you try Jerry Budd? www.buddengineering.com Chris ? ? ? --- On Tue, 10/28/08, Pete Cosky wrote: From: Pete Cosky Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a wing tube To: "NSRCA Mailing List" Date: Tuesday, October 28, 2008, 9:06 PM Does anyone have a spare 7/8" CF wing tube and socket they want to part with? Seems no one has them in stock right now. I'd even go for just the tube if nothing else. ? Contact me off list pcosky at comcast.net_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mups1953 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 02:40:22 2008 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:40:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <891832.88592.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I guess what he's looking for is a pattern specific beginner book or instructional CD. I'm actually surprised that one doesn't seem to exist. Don Siczor?has a couple of CD's about flying that I've seen that are really well done. Are those floating around? Again thanks in advance. Mike --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Ed Alt wrote: From: Ed Alt Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info To: mups1953 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:38 AM Mike: Don's Hobby Shop sells some books that would help.??Crosswind Flying is probably the one for him to look into. ? http://www.donshobbyshop.com/ ? Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info ?Is there a book or a cd for beginners? I sold a YS?engine to a guy in Iowa who is asking me. Thanks, Mike Mueller _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 03:39:52 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:39:52 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a wing tube In-Reply-To: <012301c9397b$aed6e790$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> References: <012301c9397b$aed6e790$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: You could try Maureen at PAC Hobbies. www.pac-rc.com JLK From: pcosky at comcast.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:06:12 -0400Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a wing tube Does anyone have a spare 7/8" CF wing tube and socket they want to part with? Seems no one has them in stock right now. I'd even go for just the tube if nothing else. Contact me off list pcosky at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcosky at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 04:21:45 2008 From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:21:45 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a wing tube References: <012301c9397b$aed6e790$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <01a501c939c0$e51bd3c0$9600a8c0@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Thanks everyone, got what I need. ----- Original Message ----- From: brett terry To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a wing tube Pete, what length do you need? Troybuiltmodels.com has the 7/8" in stock in 30" length. http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/newsite/planeacc/wingtubes/wingtubes.html#inches On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:06 PM, Pete Cosky wrote: Does anyone have a spare 7/8" CF wing tube and socket they want to part with? Seems no one has them in stock right now. I'd even go for just the tube if nothing else. Contact me off list pcosky at comcast.net _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 04:26:23 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:26:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Message-ID: Noticed two things in this month's issue. 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane! One of the ad's sales points is "remember the days of control line in schoolyards". I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my school's playground to teach me to fly. He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still have some of his engines, control handle, etc. Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it. He would start it while I was out in the center of the circle with the handle. He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me. He never made it... :-( A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland. I think it was 1960. There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took of me that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away. The ad is right... It does bring back memories... JLK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mups1953 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 04:41:20 2008 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 12:41:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <131543.1055.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ?Ahh good memories of my controline Jr Nobler at the Chicago forest preserves in the late 60's. What a blast! Mike --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation To: "Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 7:26 AM #yiv1675957487 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1675957487 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Noticed two things in this month's issue. ? 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section ? 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane!??One of the ad's sales points is "remember the days of control line in schoolyards".? I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my?school's playground to teach me to fly.? He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still have some of his engines, control handle, etc.? Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it.? He would start it while I was out in the center of the circle with the handle.? He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me.? He never made it... :-(? A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland.? I think it was 1960.? There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took of me that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away.? The ad is right... It does bring back memories... JLK _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Wed Oct 29 05:21:46 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:21:46 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info In-Reply-To: <891832.88592.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <891832.88592.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <24C64D1C-E723-445D-9B39-979E67845CF4@cox.net> I think you mean Szczur. Ron VP On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:40 AM, mike mueller wrote: > I guess what he's looking for is a pattern specific beginner book > or instructional CD. I'm actually surprised that one doesn't seem > to exist. Don Siczor has a couple of CD's about flying that I've > seen that are really well done. Are those floating around? Again > thanks in advance. Mike > > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Ed Alt wrote: > From: Ed Alt > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info > To: mups1953 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:38 AM > > Mike: > Don's Hobby Shop sells some books that would help. Crosswind > Flying is probably the one for him to look into. > > http://www.donshobbyshop.com/ > > Ed > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mike mueller > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:03 PM > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info > > Is there a book or a cd for beginners? I sold a YS engine to a guy > in Iowa who is asking me. Thanks, Mike Mueller > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jpavlick at idseng.com Wed Oct 29 05:28:26 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:28:26 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation In-Reply-To: <131543.1055.qm@web51001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <671529.28558.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Believe it or not I learned to fly with a control line airplane too (I'm 41). When?I was a kid my Dad bought a Cox .049 Spitfire for me to fly when?I was "old enough". I think he bought it when I was about a year old. One day, after my continuous nagging, he decided it was time to fly the little airplane. Of course he would need to fly it first, just to make sure it was OK. LOL Well,?I never did get a chance to fly that airplane. Apparently my Dad flew a lot of free-flight when he was young but never had a control line plane. The first flight was, uh, interesting to say the least. He learned how to fly pretty quickly but according to him "it wasn't a good beginners airplane". He flew the Spitfire until it fell apart. Then we got a Cox PT-19 and the rest is history. By the time?I was in second grade?I could tear apart a Cox .049 with my eyes closed. Until I was able to work?I couldn't really afford an R/C airplane so control-line was all?I had. I remember seeing Cox control line planes at department stores all the time when?I was young. Then they just vanished. Replaced by video games?I guess. :( ? John Pavlick ? ? --- On Wed, 10/29/08, mike mueller wrote: From: mike mueller Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:41 PM ?Ahh good memories of my controline Jr Nobler at the Chicago forest preserves in the late 60's. What a blast! Mike --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation To: "Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 7:26 AM #yiv1579098132 #yiv1675957487 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1579098132 #yiv1675957487 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Noticed two things in this month's issue. ? 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section ? 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane!??One of the ad's sales points is "remember the days of control line in schoolyards".? I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my?school's playground to teach me to fly.? He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still have some of his engines, control handle, etc.? Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it.? He would start it while I was out in the center of the circle with the handle.? He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me.? He never made it... :-(? A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland.? I think it was 1960.? There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took of me that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away.? The ad is right... It does bring back memories... JLK _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed_alt at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 05:44:53 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 13:44:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info In-Reply-To: <891832.88592.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <891832.88592.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It is fairly specific to Pattern. It also mentions IMAC, but it's stuff that's applicable to both. Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 03:40:17 -0700From: mups1953 at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info I guess what he's looking for is a pattern specific beginner book or instructional CD. I'm actually surprised that one doesn't seem to exist. Don Siczor has a couple of CD's about flying that I've seen that are really well done. Are those floating around? Again thanks in advance. Mike--- On Wed, 10/29/08, Ed Alt wrote: From: Ed Alt Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner infoTo: mups1953 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:38 AM Mike: Don's Hobby Shop sells some books that would help. Crosswind Flying is probably the one for him to look into. http://www.donshobbyshop.com/ Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info Is there a book or a cd for beginners? I sold a YS engine to a guy in Iowa who is asking me. Thanks, Mike Mueller _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/wedowindowslive.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!20EE04FBC541789!167.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_092008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 29 07:12:32 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:12:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <581832.48740.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sounds like a good ad that we should have in the MA then.. Bring back those pattern memories.. Could be a good idea John.. Chris ? ? ? --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation To: "Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 5:26 AM #yiv1235679107 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1235679107 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Noticed two things in this month's issue. ? 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section ? 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane!??One of the ad's sales points is "remember the days of control line in schoolyards".? I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my?school's playground to teach me to fly.? He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still have some of his engines, control handle, etc.? Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it.? He would start it while I was out in the center of the circle with the handle.? He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me.? He never made it... :-(? A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland.? I think it was 1960.? There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took of me that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away.? The ad is right... It does bring back memories... JLK _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerlock at comcast.net Wed Oct 29 07:26:30 2008 From: kerlock at comcast.net (Mike Hester) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 15:26:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation References: <581832.48740.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D47FBA59D6E46938C59C6E47233DD3A@Sanity> Wait until you see pics from the Tangerine this year. better yet, COME DOWN if you can! Looks like it's going to be HUGE from the initial reports. We're doing AMA, SPA and BPA pattern. I'm sure you know what the AMA and SPA are but the BPA is something pretty cool too....it's a class using the planes from the late 70s, 80s and early 90s. 1.2 ci engine limit, 72" size limit, and anything goes. pipes, retracts etc. I know of at leats 3 people that will have Auroras, and other planes like UFOs, Curares, Atlantas, etc. gear up and on the pipe!!! This is going to be FUN!!!!! -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: krishlan fitzsimmons To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Sounds like a good ad that we should have in the MA then.. Bring back those pattern memories.. Could be a good idea John.. Chris --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation To: "Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 5:26 AM Noticed two things in this month's issue. 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane! One of the ad's sales points is "remember the days of control line in schoolyards". I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my school's playground to teach me to fly. He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still have some of his engines, control handle, etc. Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it. He would start it while I was out in the center of the circle with the handle. He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me. He never made it... :-( A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland. I think it was 1960. There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took of me that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away. The ad is right... It does bring back memories... 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URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 08:06:11 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:06:11 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation In-Reply-To: <2D47FBA59D6E46938C59C6E47233DD3A@Sanity> References: <581832.48740.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2D47FBA59D6E46938C59C6E47233DD3A@Sanity> Message-ID: Mike, Hmmm...maybe that's what I should do with my two unfinished Arrows complete with Rhoms, one OPS the other Rossi both RE. :-) JLK From: kerlock at comcast.netTo: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:26:25 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Wait until you see pics from the Tangerine this year. better yet, COME DOWN if you can! Looks like it's going to be HUGE from the initial reports. We're doing AMA, SPA and BPA pattern. I'm sure you know what the AMA and SPA are but the BPA is something pretty cool too....it's a class using the planes from the late 70s, 80s and early 90s. 1.2 ci engine limit, 72" size limit, and anything goes. pipes, retracts etc. I know of at leats 3 people that will have Auroras, and other planes like UFOs, Curares, Atlantas, etc. gear up and on the pipe!!! This is going to be FUN!!!!! -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: krishlan fitzsimmons To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Sounds like a good ad that we should have in the MA then.. Bring back those pattern memories.. Could be a good idea John.. Chris --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model AviationTo: "Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 5:26 AM Noticed two things in this month's issue. 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane! One of the ad's sales pointsis "remember the days of control line in schoolyards". I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my school's playground to teach me to fly. He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still havesome of his engines, control handle, etc. Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it. He would start it whileI was out in the center of the circle with the handle. He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me. He never made it... :-( A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland. I think it was 1960. There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took ofme that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away. The ad is right...It does bring back memories...JLK_______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussionE-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386)Database version: 5.11010http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussionE-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386)Database version: 5.11010http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386)Database version: 5.11010http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Wed Oct 29 08:18:04 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:18:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation In-Reply-To: <2D47FBA59D6E46938C59C6E47233DD3A@Sanity> References: <581832.48740.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2D47FBA59D6E46938C59C6E47233DD3A@Sanity> Message-ID: <20081029081801.5e3901b1.simestd@netexpress.com> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:26:25 -0400 "Mike Hester" wrote: > gear up and on the pipe!!! > > This is going to be FUN!!!!! I'm sitting here grinding away at work and this brought a much appreciated grin to my face - and fond memories of a Tipo from years past :) Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 08:27:33 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:27:33 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation In-Reply-To: References: <581832.48740.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <2D47FBA59D6E46938C59C6E47233DD3A@Sanity> Message-ID: I still have a Challenge IV with an OS.61RE/Hatori. Used ti fly it on 10% and it was still pretty fast. Drug it out last year and ran some 25% through it. Scary. RS From: jlkonn at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.comDate: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:06:09 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Mike,Hmmm...maybe that's what I should do with my two unfinished Arrows complete with Rhoms, one OPS the other Rossi both RE.:-)JLK From: kerlock at comcast.netTo: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:26:25 -0400Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Wait until you see pics from the Tangerine this year. better yet, COME DOWN if you can! Looks like it's going to be HUGE from the initial reports. We're doing AMA, SPA and BPA pattern. I'm sure you know what the AMA and SPA are but the BPA is something pretty cool too....it's a class using the planes from the late 70s, 80s and early 90s. 1.2 ci engine limit, 72" size limit, and anything goes. pipes, retracts etc. I know of at leats 3 people that will have Auroras, and other planes like UFOs, Curares, Atlantas, etc. gear up and on the pipe!!! This is going to be FUN!!!!! -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: krishlan fitzsimmons To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Sounds like a good ad that we should have in the MA then.. Bring back those pattern memories.. Could be a good idea John.. Chris --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model AviationTo: "Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 5:26 AM Noticed two things in this month's issue. 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane! One of the ad's sales pointsis "remember the days of control line in schoolyards". I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my school's playground to teach me to fly. He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still havesome of his engines, control handle, etc. Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it. He would start it whileI was out in the center of the circle with the handle. He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me. He never made it... :-( A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland. I think it was 1960. There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took ofme that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away. The ad is right...It does bring back memories...JLK_______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussionE-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386)Database version: 5.11010http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussionE-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386)Database version: 5.11010http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386)Database version: 5.11010http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _________________________________________________________________ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Wed Oct 29 08:29:20 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:29:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: November Model Aviation In-Reply-To: <581832.48740.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <581832.48740.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I remember going to City Park, KCKS in the late '50s and asking a guy at a circle how much his, I think, scale P-40 was--and he said 100 dollars. I'm sure the look on my face was the same as when we reply 3 grand plus to folks who ask how much ours are now... "Really??!!" EVERYONE gulped not too long ago when one of the jet guy's 16K model went in, burned with nothing salvageable.RS Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:12:29 -0700From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Sounds like a good ad that we should have in the MA then.. Bring back those pattern memories.. Could be a good idea John.. Chris --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model AviationTo: "Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 5:26 AM Noticed two things in this month's issue. 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane! One of the ad's sales pointsis "remember the days of control line in schoolyards". I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my school's playground to teach me to fly. He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still havesome of his engines, control handle, etc. Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it. He would start it whileI was out in the center of the circle with the handle. He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me. He never made it... :-( A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland. I think it was 1960. There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took ofme that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away. The ad is right...It does bring back memories...JLK_______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion When your life is on the go?take your life with you. Try Windows Mobile? today _________________________________________________________________ You live life beyond your PC. So now Windows goes beyond your PC. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298556/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:06 PM To: General pattern discussion; homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Mike, Hmmm...maybe that's what I should do with my two unfinished Arrows complete with Rhoms, one OPS the other Rossi both RE. :-) JLK ________________________________ From: kerlock at comcast.net To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:26:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Wait until you see pics from the Tangerine this year. better yet, COME DOWN if you can! Looks like it's going to be HUGE from the initial reports. We're doing AMA, SPA and BPA pattern. I'm sure you know what the AMA and SPA are but the BPA is something pretty cool too....it's a class using the planes from the late 70s, 80s and early 90s. 1.2 ci engine limit, 72" size limit, and anything goes. pipes, retracts etc. I know of at leats 3 people that will have Auroras, and other planes like UFOs, Curares, Atlantas, etc. gear up and on the pipe!!! This is going to be FUN!!!!! -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: krishlan fitzsimmons To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Sounds like a good ad that we should have in the MA then.. Bring back those pattern memories.. Could be a good idea John.. Chris --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation To: "Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 5:26 AM Noticed two things in this month's issue. 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane! One of the ad's sales points is "remember the days of control line in schoolyards". I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my school's playground to teach me to fly. He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still have some of his engines, control handle, etc. Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it. He would start it while I was out in the center of the circle with the handle. He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me. He never made it... :-( A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland. I think it was 1960. There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took of me that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away. The ad is right... It does bring back memories... 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I destroyed my MK Arrow about 3 weeks ago. Won't go into details. I am building a Super Chaos 60 (original Bridi from plans) equipped with pneumatic retracts and tuned pipe. Bring down the Arrow. Gary Courtney will be there with his Escape and Hanno. Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 12:06 PM To: General pattern discussion; homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Mike, Hmmm...maybe that's what I should do with my two unfinished Arrows complete with Rhoms, one OPS the other Rossi both RE. :-) JLK ________________________________ From: kerlock at comcast.net To: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 11:26:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Av iation Wait until you see pics from the Tangerine this year. better yet, COME DOWN if you can! Looks like it's going to be HUGE from the initial reports. We're doing AMA, SPA and BPA pattern. I'm sure you know what the AMA and SPA are but the BPA is something pretty cool too....it's a class using the planes from the late 70s, 80s and early 90s. 1.2 ci engine limit, 72" size limit, and anything goes. pipes, retracts etc. I know of at leats 3 people that will have Auroras, and other planes like UFOs, Curares, Atlantas, etc. gear up and on the pipe!!! This is going to be FUN!!!!! -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: krishlan fitzsimmons <mailto:homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com> To: General pattern discussion <mailto:nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation Sounds like a good ad that we should have in the MA then.. Bring back those pattern memories.. Could be a good idea John.. Chris --- On Wed, 10/29/08, John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com> wrote: From: John Konneker <jlkonn at hotmail.com> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] November Model Aviation To: "Discussion List" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 5:26 AM Noticed two things in this month's issue. 1- A great shot of our own Jeremy Chinn's "Kudzu" in the Nats photo section 2- The back cover ad from Horizon for a control line plane! One of the ad's sales points is "remember the days of control line in schoolyards". I can remember in the late '50s when I was in grade school my Dad taking me up to my school's playground to teach me to fly. He had been an active control line flyer when I was a really little guy...ignition...I still have some of his engines, control handle, etc. Anyway, I had absolutely no "feel" for it. He would start it w hile I was out in the center of the circle with the handle. He would release the plane when I was ready and run as fast as he could for me to try to coach me. He never made it... :-( A few years later I flew at the Cox control line circle at Disneyland. I think it was 1960. There is some 8mm movie film my Dad took of me that I watched at my mother's about two years ago or so when she passed away. The ad is right... It does bring back memories... JLK _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11010 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ <http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/> ________________________________ ___________________ ____________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11010 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11010 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ <http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/> _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You're reading this from one guy who would have joined the caterpillar club! Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Scares me , and I'm fearless..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bm1532 at yahoo.com To: bruce.mcleod at comcast.net Sent: 10/29/2008 9:49:29 A.M. 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In-Reply-To: <4908D331.9020003@optonline.net> References: <003601c93a04$51aad480$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst> <4908D331.9020003@optonline.net> Message-ID: <4908D590.6000208@optonline.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trexlesh at msn.com Wed Oct 29 13:51:19 2008 From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:51:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <003601c93a04$51aad480$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst> References: <003601c93a04$51aad480$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst> Message-ID: That's called "Keeping Your Head"!!!! Too low to punch out! Rex From: billglaze at bellsouth.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; zelsrc at yahoo.com; SmilinJackGlaze at aol.com; RGarris at aol.com; beemermank12 at msn.com; kathi at faurote.com; johnferrell at earthlink.net; rareeagle2 at gmail.com; drcooke at bellsouth.net; dpmorris at wfubmc.edu; mcmurryc_m at juno.com; kalypso56 at yahoo.com; pvavon at hotmail.com; ann_meng at earthlink.netDate: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 16:24:15 -0400Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Scares me , and I'm fearless..... From: bm1532 at yahoo.comTo: bruce.mcleod at comcast.netSent: 10/29/2008 9:49:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight TimeSubj: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games an Unbelievable!! B Click here: Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games and free fun A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jshulman at cfl.rr.com Wed Oct 29 13:56:16 2008 From: jshulman at cfl.rr.com (JShulman) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 21:56:16 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <4908D590.6000208@optonline.net> Message-ID: LOL... too funny Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Stuart Chale Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:29 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... 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References: <655965.10120.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <71DDD31F-C0F1-410C-BDDE-C78A2EF70770@socal.rr.com> > > > > Subject: FW: McCain out of touch? > > > > This should clear it up ............. > > Barack Obama has put out an ad that simply reminded us John McCain > cannot use a computer. > Well guess what ... Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft > carrier at night. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you > how. Learn Now = > > McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race > while you browse - Download Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 67496 bytes Desc: not available URL: From billglaze at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 29 15:14:33 2008 From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (billglaze) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:14:33 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? References: <655965.10120.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <71DDD31F-C0F1-410C-BDDE-C78A2EF70770@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <00e201c93a1c$161e4e70$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst> Well Put! ----- Original Message ----- From: James Oddino To: NSRCA List Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? Subject: FW: McCain out of touch? This should clear it up ............. Barack Obama has put out an ad that simply reminded us John McCain cannot use a computer. Well guess what ... Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier at night. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. 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Thanks: Matthew Liprie -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgc1701 at earthlink.net Wed Oct 29 16:41:37 2008 From: rgc1701 at earthlink.net (Robert Campbell) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:41:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? In-Reply-To: <00e201c93a1c$161e4e70$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst> References: <655965.10120.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><71DDD31F-C0F1-410C-BDDE-C78A2EF70770@socal.rr.com> <00e201c93a1c$161e4e70$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst> Message-ID: <409B0CA1017B4CABABB695463EC39A7F@SID500> Actually, McCain did it without the help of a computer! Vietnam era only A-4's had very basic avionics and the pilot had to make many of the calculatins either in his head, or with a whiz wheel! Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: billglaze To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? Well Put! ----- Original Message ----- From: James Oddino To: NSRCA List Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? Subject: FW: McCain out of touch? This should clear it up ............. Barack Obama has put out an ad that simply reminded us John McCain cannot use a computer. Well guess what ... Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier at night. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. Learn Now = ------------------------------------------------------------------ McCain or Obama? 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I need to hurry and talk to you regarding the batteries I would like to get from you. Matt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tkeithblack at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 18:13:37 2008 From: tkeithblack at gmail.com (Keith Black) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:13:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <4908D590.6000208@optonline.net> References: <003601c93a04$51aad480$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst><4908D331.9020003@optonline.net> <4908D590.6000208@optonline.net> Message-ID: <95B9740453FD46B692416AC479B45AF2@OfficePC> Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Scares me , and I'm fearless..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: bm1532 at yahoo.com To: bruce.mcleod at comcast.net Sent: 10/29/2008 9:49:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games an Unbelievable!! B Click here: Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games and free fun ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. 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URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Wed Oct 29 18:38:10 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:38:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <95B9740453FD46B692416AC479B45AF2@OfficePC> References: <003601c93a04$51aad480$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst><4908D331.9020003@optonline.net><4908D590.6000208@optonline.net> <95B9740453FD46B692416AC479B45AF2@OfficePC> Message-ID: <8E467C890FD948A49CEEDB20CEF41878@astafford> I've never seen a full scale with that much rudder authority, especially at low speed. _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:44 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Scares me , and I'm fearless..... _____ From: bm1532 at yahoo.com To: bruce.mcleod at comcast.net Sent: 10/29/2008 9:49:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games an Unbelievable!! B Click here: Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games and free fun _____ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! _____ Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've never seen a full scale with that much rudder authority, especially at low speed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:44 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Scares me , and I'm fearless..... -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bm1532 at yahoo.com To: bruce.mcleod at comcast.net Sent: 10/29/2008 9:49:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games an Unbelievable!! B Click here: Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games and free fun -------------------------------------------------------------------------- A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. 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Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Scares me , and I'm fearless..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bm1532 at yahoo.com To: bruce.mcleod at comcast.net Sent: 10/29/2008 9:49:29 A.M. 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In-Reply-To: <001901c93a39$d5804530$6500a8c0@warrior> References: <655965.10120.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><71DDD31F-C0F1-410C-BDDE-C78A2EF70770@socal.rr.com> <001901c93a39$d5804530$6500a8c0@warrior> Message-ID: <6DA92E2015984D05924DE919D2F8EC81@astafford> I had almost typed the same thing, but couldn't remember the total number of crashes. _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:17 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? I hate to see politics get in amongst us, but since it's here, judging from McCain's crash history (4) plus the shoot down, it could be argued that he is not that spiffy either, inside the cockpit. Now if we won't to hash some politics, then let's get down. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: James Oddino To: NSRCA List Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? Subject: FW: McCain out of touch? This should clear it up ............. Barack Obama has put out an ad that simply reminded us John McCain cannot use a computer. Well guess what ... Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier at night. _____ Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how. Learn Now = _____ McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse - Download Now! _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Fake interview after the incident: http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html Post #87 on this page sums up the argument best: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2138374&page=5 Marty From smaragdz at bellsouth.net Wed Oct 29 19:27:26 2008 From: smaragdz at bellsouth.net (Ryan Smith) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:27:26 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Message-ID: <103020080327.22651.4909299C0004D5A00000587B22218865869B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBF960B090E9D0E039C@att.net> I just looked on his website. It states that his grandfather gave him an old Giles 300. The only Giles 300 that was ever made was lost when the canopy exploded while the pilot, Marta Meyer, was practicing for an IAC event. It incapacitated her and she ended up perishing in the accident. This has been several years ago that this happened. 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From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dan Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:17 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? ? I hate to see politics get in amongst us, but since it's here, judging from McCain's crash history (4) plus the shoot down, it could be argued that he is not that spiffy either, inside the cockpit.?Now if we won't to hash some politics, then let's get down. ? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: James Oddino To: NSRCA List Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? ? ? ? ? ? Subject: FW: McCain out of touch? ? This should clear it up ............. ? Barack Obama has put out an ad that simply reminded us John McCain cannot use a computer.?? Well guess what ?...?Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft carrier at night. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you how.?Learn Now?= ? McCain or Obama? Stay updated on coverage of the Presidential race while you browse -?Download Now! ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 39558 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Wed Oct 29 19:40:10 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:40:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB085851C8D80F-84C-1AEE@WEBMAIL-DY04.sysops.aol.com> Hemple lost a wing of the plane he was flying in too, and lived to tell the tale??? I'm impressed ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Man... That looks like a Bill Hemple maneuver. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... I?ve never seen a full scale with that much rudder authority, especially at low speed? ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:44 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... ? ??? Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. ? Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... ? Is it real?? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model.? :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... ? Scares me , and I'm fearless..... ? From: bm1532 at yahoo.com To: bruce.mcleod at comcast.net Sent: 10/29/2008 9:49:29 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time Subj: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games an ? Unbelievable!! B ? Click here: Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free games and free fun A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. 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URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Wed Oct 29 19:42:38 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:42:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <490927D0.8040902@canisius.edu> References: <490927D0.8040902@canisius.edu> Message-ID: <8CB0858AC1A15FB-84C-1B01@WEBMAIL-DY04.sysops.aol.com> Slow Pattern day, hey Marty?? -----Original Message----- From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ <moleski at canisius.edu> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:19 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Keith Black wrote: > Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. I believed it when I first saw it (I've seen the RC videos of one-wing knife-edge landings). Then I googled around a bit. Seems to be a viral video done up by <killathrill.com>. Fake bio for the imaginary pilot: http://www.jamesandersson.com/ There's no trace of him elsewhere on the internet as a pilot. Fake interview after the incident: http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html Post #87 on this page sums up the argument best: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2138374&page=5 Marty _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tstebbins at gmail.com Wed Oct 29 19:51:29 2008 From: tstebbins at gmail.com (Tim) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 03:51:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? In-Reply-To: <6DA92E2015984D05924DE919D2F8EC81@astafford> References: <655965.10120.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><71DDD31F-C0F1-410C-BDDE-C78A2EF70770@socal.rr.com> <001901c93a39$d5804530$6500a8c0@warrior> <6DA92E2015984D05924DE919D2F8EC81@astafford> Message-ID: <6FAEEDC1-5EA6-420A-92F7-C8B3D6A61B31@gmail.com> Don't you think we are already buried with political rhetoric from enough media sources ? I look at this site as refuge from all this political BS and as something to enjoy. Please stick to airplane talk !! On Oct 29, 2008, at 8:07 PM, Archie Stafford wrote: > I had almost typed the same thing, but couldn?t remember the total > number of crashes? > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > ] On Behalf Of Dan > Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 7:17 AM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? > > I hate to see politics get in amongst us, but since it's here, > judging from McCain's crash history (4) plus the shoot down, it > could be argued that he is not that spiffy either, inside the > cockpit. Now if we won't to hash some politics, then let's get down. > > Dan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James Oddino > To: NSRCA List > Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:05 PM > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? > > > >> >> >> >> Subject: FW: McCain out of touch? >> >> This should clear it up ............. >> >> Barack Obama has put out an ad that simply reminded us John McCain >> cannot use a computer. >> Well guess what ... Barack cannot land a jet plane on an aircraft >> carrier at night. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Want to read Hotmail messages in Outlook? The Wordsmiths show you >> how. Learn Now = >> >> McCain or Obama? 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URL: From mups1953 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 01:30:50 2008 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:30:50 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <490927D0.8040902@canisius.edu> Message-ID: <611009.873.qm@web51010.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ?The man: Name: James Andersson Born: 1976-10-28 in Uppsala (Sweden) grown up in Budapest (Hungary) and Ibiza (Spain) Family Status: single Home: Bristol (Great Britain) and Berlin (Germany) Interests: Airobatics, Snow Boarding, Yoga, Nordic Walking, Chess, Floor Exercises Name: James Andersson Born: 1976-10-28 in Uppsala (Sweden) grown up in Budapest (Hungary) and Ibiza (Spain) Family Status: single Home: Bristol (Great Britain) and Berlin (Germany) Interests: Airobatics, Snow Boarding, Yoga, Nordic Walking, Chess, Floor Exercises ? ?He is the most intersting man in the world!!! ?STAY THIRSTY MY FRIENDS!!!! --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Martin X. Moleski, SJ wrote: From: Martin X. Moleski, SJ Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 10:19 PM Keith Black wrote: > Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. I believed it when I first saw it (I've seen the RC videos of one-wing knife-edge landings). Then I googled around a bit. Seems to be a viral video done up by . Fake bio for the imaginary pilot: http://www.jamesandersson.com/ There's no trace of him elsewhere on the internet as a pilot. Fake interview after the incident: http://www.jamesandersson.com/interview.html Post #87 on this page sums up the argument best: http://acapella.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2138374&page=5 Marty _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed_alt at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 01:36:04 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:36:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? References: <655965.10120.qm@web82005.mail.mud.yahoo.com><71DDD31F-C0F1-410C-BDDE-C78A2EF70770@socal.rr.com> <001901c93a39$d5804530$6500a8c0@warrior> Message-ID: Hmmm - but how many times has Obama crashed Windows? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? I hate to see politics get in amongst us, but since it's here, judging from McCain's crash history (4) plus the shoot down, it could be argued that he is not that spiffy either, inside the cockpit. Now if we won't to hash some politics, then let's get down. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: James Oddino To: NSRCA List Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 6:05 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: McCain out of touch? Subject: FW: McCain out of touch? This should clear it up ............. Barack Obama has put out an ad that simply reminded us John McCain cannot use a computer. Well guess what ... 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Well, we should not believe in the stuff that comes from the internet. -- Vicente "Vince" Bortone -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Ryan Smith" I like how the spin is going the wrong way. INTO the wing that's still intact. Fake. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgalligan at att.net Thu Oct 30 04:26:09 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 12:26:09 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <8CB085851C8D80F-84C-1AEE@WEBMAIL-DY04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB085851C8D80F-84C-1AEE@WEBMAIL-DY04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Have you not seen the video of Bill saving his (rc) airplane after losing one side of the wing? I gotta find and post it. It was great video and even better flying. And yes... he lived to tell about it. Nary a scratch he received. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Hemple lost a wing of the plane he was flying in too, and lived to tell the tale??? I'm impressed MattK -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Man... That looks like a Bill Hemple maneuver. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... I?ve never seen a full scale with that much rudder authority, especially at low speed? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:44 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: DickIonata8 at aol.com To: dartingstar at comcast.net Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 1:44 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Scares me , and I'm fearless..... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: bm1532 at yahoo.com To: bruce.mcleod at comcast.net Sent: 10/29/2008 9:49:29 A.M. 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URL: From moleski at canisius.edu Thu Oct 30 05:17:20 2008 From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:17:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: References: <8CB085851C8D80F-84C-1AEE@WEBMAIL-DY04.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4909B3DC.4010105@canisius.edu> Wayne Galligan wrote: > Have you not seen the video of Bill saving his (rc) airplane after > losing one side of the wing? I gotta find and post it. It was great > video and even better flying. And yes... he lived to tell about it. > Nary a scratch he received. Here's one version of that video: http://www.rcuvideos.com/video/RC-Yak-54-AMAZING-Knife-Edge-La I've seen a longer edition. Marty From rcmaster199 at aol.com Thu Oct 30 06:18:53 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 14:18:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB08B18C9631B6-134-4E7@WEBMAIL-MY37.sysops.aol.com> Ohhh... you're talking RC model. That don't count because even I could do that when my butt is not in the crate. ? Was his life in jeopardy flying the remote? ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Have you not seen the video of Bill saving his (rc) airplane after losing one side of the wing??? I gotta find and post it.? It was great video and even better flying. And yes... he lived to tell about it.? Nary a scratch he received.? ? Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Hemple lost a wing of the plane he was flying in too, and lived to tell the tale??? I'm impressed ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Galligan <wgalligan at att.net> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Man... That looks like a Bill Hemple maneuver. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... I?ve never seen a full scale with that much rudder authority, especially at low speed? ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:44 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... ? ??? Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. ? Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... ? Is it real?? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model.? :) I had to watch that twice. Stuart billglaze wrote: And you think you've seen some cool piloting?.................. 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Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From tocdon at netscape.net Thu Oct 30 08:23:46 2008 From: tocdon at netscape.net (tocdon at netscape.net) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:23:46 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info In-Reply-To: <24C64D1C-E723-445D-9B39-979E67845CF4@cox.net> References: <891832.88592.qm@web51002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <24C64D1C-E723-445D-9B39-979E67845CF4@cox.net> Message-ID: <8CB08C2F9197F72-16AC-8AF@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Mike, He can contact Beth at pvavon at hotmail.com and state whether?he wants?the pattern DVD done in 2006, or the Aerobatics DVD, released this year.? The pattern DVD is a seminar-based Q&A video, while?the RC Aerobatics DVD, although focused on giant scale, is basically applicable to pattern from the aircraft trimming and sequence building technique.? It includes a professional studio shoot portion,?and a flight portion.? Both the Pattern and the Aerobatics DVDs are pretty good?training?video's,?I'm told. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Ron Van Putte To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 9:21 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info I think you mean Szczur.? ? Ron VP? ? On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:40 AM, mike mueller wrote:? ? > I guess what he's looking for is a pattern specific beginner book > or instructional CD. I'm actually surprised that one doesn't seem > to exist. Don Siczor has a couple of CD's about flying that I've > seen that are really well done. Are those floating around? Again > thanks in advance. Mike? >? > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Ed Alt wrote:? > From: Ed Alt ? > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info? > To: mups1953 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" discussion at lists.nsrca.org>? > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:38 AM? >? > Mike:? > Don's Hobby Shop sells some books that would help. Crosswind > Flying is probably the one for him to look into.? >? > http://www.donshobbyshop.com/? >? > Ed? > ----- Original Message -----? > From: mike mueller? > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:03 PM? > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info? >? > Is there a book or a cd for beginners? I sold a YS engine to a guy > in Iowa who is asking me. Thanks, Mike Mueller? >? > _______________________________________________? > NSRCA-discussion mailing list? > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? >? > _______________________________________________? > NSRCA-discussion mailing list? > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? ? _______________________________________________? NSRCA-discussion mailing list? NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry at buddengineering.com Thu Oct 30 08:30:24 2008 From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:30:24 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <103020081130.23620.49099AE4000A7AA100005C4422165548860C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> References: <103020081130.23620.49099AE4000A7AA100005C4422165548860C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> Message-ID: <20E8BD17-B0C2-4029-AA22-12B908E2C5D7@buddengineering.com> "Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for that rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge." ~Erwin Knoll Jerry Budd Engineering jerry at buddengineering.com http://www.buddengineering.com On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:30 AM, vicenterc at comcast.net wrote: > I also noticed that. Well, we should not believe in the stuff that > comes from the internet. > > -- > Vicente "Vince" Bortone > From mups1953 at yahoo.com Thu Oct 30 08:37:00 2008 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:37:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info In-Reply-To: <8CB08C2F9197F72-16AC-8AF@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <304171.92874.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ?Thanks I will forward this to the guy who inquired. Mike Mueller --- On Thu, 10/30/08, tocdon at netscape.net wrote: From: tocdon at netscape.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org, pvavon at hotmail.com Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 11:23 AM Mike, He can contact Beth at pvavon at hotmail.com and state whether?he wants?the pattern DVD done in 2006, or the Aerobatics DVD, released this year.? The pattern DVD is a seminar-based Q&A video, while?the RC Aerobatics DVD, although focused on giant scale, is basically applicable to pattern from the aircraft trimming and sequence building technique.? It includes a professional studio shoot portion,?and a flight portion.? Both the Pattern and the Aerobatics DVDs are pretty good?training?video's,?I'm told. Regards, Don -----Original Message----- From: Ron Van Putte To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 9:21 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info I think you mean Szczur.? ? Ron VP? ? On Oct 29, 2008, at 5:40 AM, mike mueller wrote:? ? > I guess what he's looking for is a pattern specific beginner book > or instructional CD. I'm actually surprised that one doesn't seem > to exist. Don Siczor has a couple of CD's about flying that I've > seen that are really well done. Are those floating around? Again > thanks in advance. Mike? >? > --- On Wed, 10/29/08, Ed Alt wrote:? > From: Ed Alt ? > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info? > To: mups1953 at yahoo.com, "General pattern discussion" discussion at lists.nsrca.org>? > Date: Wednesday, October 29, 2008, 12:38 AM? >? > Mike:? > Don's Hobby Shop sells some books that would help. Crosswind > Flying is probably the one for him to look into.? >? > http://www.donshobbyshop.com/? >? > Ed? > ----- Original Message -----? > From: mike mueller? > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:03 PM? > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Beginner info? >? > Is there a book or a cd for beginners? I sold a YS engine to a guy > in Iowa who is asking me. 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In-Reply-To: <982397.27026.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <982397.27026.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4909F65B.7000300@optonline.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Oct 30 10:24:28 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:24:28 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? In-Reply-To: <982397.27026.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <239801.23852.qm@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com> You're not supposed to fly in the Winter - you're supposed to build new airplanes! LOL ? If you don't like the cold, either fly indoors or get a good sim' and a big-screen TV. I put all of my "good" Pattern planes away as soon as it gets cold enough to snow and they don't come out until the Spring.?I fly sport airplanes outdoors all Winter but they're just not the same.?:( ? John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Paul Hepworth wrote: From: Paul Hepworth Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 4:52 PM District 1,2 and 4, guys how much flying do you get during the winter?? ?Living in Ontario, Canada, I lose seven months of flying due to below zero temperatures and snow.? Can anyone suggest any flying sites that are good for both pattern and IMAC aircraft? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billglaze at bellsouth.net Thu Oct 30 10:50:17 2008 From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (billglaze) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:50:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: DerbestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... References: <103020081130.23620.49099AE4000A7AA100005C4422165548860C9D0A9B020A0C0790@comcast.net> <20E8BD17-B0C2-4029-AA22-12B908E2C5D7@buddengineering.com> Message-ID: <008501c93ac0$57eecf10$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst> "If you do not read a newspaper, you are uninformed. If you do read a newspaper, you are mis-informed." Mark Twain ----- Original Message ----- From: "Budd Engineering" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: DerbestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... > "Everything you read in newspapers is absolutely true, except for that > rare story of which you happen to have first-hand knowledge." ~Erwin > Knoll > > Jerry > > Budd Engineering > jerry at buddengineering.com > http://www.buddengineering.com > > > On Oct 30, 2008, at 4:30 AM, vicenterc at comcast.net wrote: > >> I also noticed that. Well, we should not believe in the stuff that >> comes from the internet. >> >> -- >> Vicente "Vince" Bortone >> > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From vanputte at cox.net Thu Oct 30 10:54:38 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 18:54:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? In-Reply-To: <982397.27026.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <982397.27026.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3299B5D4-F89D-4250-B23D-A3843CB23767@cox.net> I can suggest several in the area. Ron VP Northwest Florida On Oct 30, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Paul Hepworth wrote: > District 1,2 and 4, guys how much flying do you get during the winter? > Living in Ontario, Canada, I lose seven months of flying due to > below zero temperatures and snow. Can anyone suggest any flying > sites that are good for both pattern and IMAC aircraft? > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From wgalligan at att.net Thu Oct 30 11:00:36 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:00:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <8CB08B18C9631B6-134-4E7@WEBMAIL-MY37.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB08B18C9631B6-134-4E7@WEBMAIL-MY37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <2BC686A1C80E4642A3D5B48D746125D9@WaynePC> Who Bill.... life in jeopardy? I would be more worried about Jason being strapped to the bottom of one of his 40%er's. ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Ohhh... you're talking RC model. That don't count because even I could do that when my butt is not in the crate. Was his life in jeopardy flying the remote? MattK -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 8:26 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Have you not seen the video of Bill saving his (rc) airplane after losing one side of the wing? I gotta find and post it. It was great video and even better flying. And yes... he lived to tell about it. Nary a scratch he received. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Hemple lost a wing of the plane he was flying in too, and lived to tell the tale??? I'm impressed MattK -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2008 9:42 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Man... That looks like a Bill Hemple maneuver. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... I?ve never seen a full scale with that much rudder authority, especially at low speed? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:44 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. 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It was great >> video and even better flying. And yes... he lived to tell about it. >> Nary a scratch he received. > > Here's one version of that video: > > http://www.rcuvideos.com/video/RC-Yak-54-AMAZING-Knife-Edge-La > > I've seen a longer edition. > > Marty > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From johnferrell at earthlink.net Thu Oct 30 11:22:41 2008 From: johnferrell at earthlink.net (John Ferrell) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:22:41 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? References: <982397.27026.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: If you can put up with 40 degrees and wind you can fly all winter in the Greensboro NC area. If it snows, it melts the next day. My personal limit has become 50 degrees and light wind. There is enough of that to keep me going! John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hepworth To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? District 1,2 and 4, guys how much flying do you get during the winter? Living in Ontario, Canada, I lose seven months of flying due to below zero temperatures and snow. Can anyone suggest any flying sites that are good for both pattern and IMAC aircraft? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've never seen a full scale with that much rudder authority, especially at low speed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Keith Black Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:44 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der bestePilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. 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URL: From scott at rcfoamy.com Thu Oct 30 11:30:01 2008 From: scott at rcfoamy.com (scott anderson) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:30:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung:Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <23BD69889147450389E2700D0388ED00@WaynePC> References: <8CB085851C8D80F-84C-1AEE@WEBMAIL-DY04.sysops.aol.com><4909B3DC.4010105@canisius.edu> <23BD69889147450389E2700D0388ED00@WaynePC> Message-ID: <7E728F6854774ACDB65966DE701CD22D@ScottPC> look at this http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_8098464/tm.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wayne Galligan" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung:Der bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... > That's a good one too. Here is the one on Bill Hempel losing a wing and > living to tell about it. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mu3zVNiWM > > Wayne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martin X. Moleski, SJ" > To: "General pattern discussion" > Sent: Thursday, October 3mpa0, 2008 8:17 AM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der > bestePilotever! | chilloutzone.de - free... > > >> Wayne Galligan wrote: >> >>> Have you not seen the video of Bill saving his (rc) airplane after >>> losing one side of the wing? I gotta find and post it. It was great >>> video and even better flying. And yes... he lived to tell about it. >>> Nary a scratch he received. >> >> Here's one version of that video: >> >> http://www.rcuvideos.com/video/RC-Yak-54-AMAZING-Knife-Edge-La >> >> I've seen a longer edition. >> >> Marty >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From cchariandy at yahoo.ca Thu Oct 30 11:30:23 2008 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:30:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? In-Reply-To: <982397.27026.qm@web36606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <624235.2194.qm@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Seven months Paul? It's really more like five. We normally start in May and fly to November. I'll keep flying pattern until this algorithm is false: ? It is above 10C + there is less than 10mph wind + it is not very cloudy + the ground is not muddy. ? Colin. --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Paul Hepworth wrote: From: Paul Hepworth Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? To: "General pattern discussion" Received: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 12:52 PM District 1,2 and 4, guys how much flying do you get during the winter?? ?Living in Ontario, Canada, I lose seven months of flying due to below zero temperatures and snow.? Can anyone suggest any flying sites that are good for both pattern and IMAC aircraft? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion __________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! 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Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 2:24 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? You're not supposed to fly in the Winter - you're supposed to build new airplanes! LOL If you don't like the cold, either fly indoors or get a good sim' and a big-screen TV. I put all of my "good" Pattern planes away as soon as it gets cold enough to snow and they don't come out until the Spring. I fly sport airplanes outdoors all Winter but they're just not the same. :( John Pavlick --- On Thu, 10/30/08, Paul Hepworth wrote: From: Paul Hepworth Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Thursday, October 30, 2008, 4:52 PM District 1,2 and 4, guys how much flying do you get during the winter? 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URL: From bob at toprudder.com Thu Oct 30 15:47:05 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:47:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 30 Size pratice planes In-Reply-To: <250958.42911.qm@web31307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <791052.79838.qm@web1111.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Colin, I have both the Aspera and the Vanquish. Both are very good planes, and use the same motor/prop/battery combo. Don't worry about the Aspera not having enough fuselage area. It does very well in knife-edge and rolling manuevers. In fact, I think it is a little better in that department than the Vanquish. It feels more comfortable to me if I fly it a little faster than I do the Vanquish. It is NOT a 3D plane at all, it was designed purely for precision flying. The Vanquish is a little better at snapping manuevers. The snaps are a little crisper and more predictable. I did notice the problem with the toe-out on the landing gear, and after analyzing the problem I decided to twist the gear very close to the fuselage. As to which model I would recommend - well, they are both very good. I would say, though, that if you are flying a schedule with lots of snaps, then maybe you would be happier with the Vanquish. Lower classes might be better off with the Aspera. The Aspera I think handles the wind slightly better. But, like I said, I have both and enjoy flying both. The power setup I use is the recommended Torque 2814T820, a 45 amp controller, and a 4S 3300 pack. If you use the Airboss controller, you won't need a seperate BEC. I've used Hitec HS65 servos all around, but have a set of HS5065 digitals I want to try out. I settled on an APC 11x7e prop, best combo of performance and duration. I hope this helps. Bob R. colin chariandy wrote: Hello all I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter days (so some wind will be a factor). I have looked at the Element 30, Aspera, Vanquish and the new Angel 30. The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a "tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. Thanks much Colin. --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Thu Oct 30 15:51:49 2008 From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2008 23:51:49 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question Message-ID: <20081030185145.2UR9J.22426.root@Web01> Could someone out there please tell me the total weight of a YS DZ 170 with Hyde (or YS) mount, nose ring, header and muffler? I'd appreciate the information. Thanks, George From bob at toprudder.com Thu Oct 30 16:08:27 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:08:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... In-Reply-To: <95B9740453FD46B692416AC479B45AF2@OfficePC> Message-ID: <627686.37632.qm@web1105.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I agree. Funny how the camera shook just at the right moment. The dynamics looked all wrong right before touch down. Keith Black wrote: Looks doctored to me. Gravity effects on landing just don't seem right. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: Stuart Chale To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fw: Fw: Check out Notlandung: Der beste Pilot ever! | chilloutzone.de - free... Is it real? The grass looks a little long, very strange landing. Stuart Chale wrote: Come on, I've seen that done with a model. :) I had to watch that twice. 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It does very well in knife-edge and rolling manuevers. In fact, I think it is a little better in that department than the Vanquish. It feels more comfortable to me if I fly it a little faster than I do the Vanquish. It is NOT a 3D plane at all, it was designed purely for precision flying. ? The Vanquish is a little better at snapping manuevers. The snaps are?a little crisper and more predictable. I did notice the problem with the toe-out on the landing gear, and after analyzing the problem I decided to twist the gear very close to the fuselage. ? As to which model I would recommend - well, they are both very good. I would say, though, that if you are flying a schedule with lots of snaps, then maybe you would be happier with the Vanquish. Lower classes might be better off with the Aspera. The Aspera I think handles the wind slightly better. But, like I said, I have both and enjoy flying both. ? The power setup I use is the recommended Torque 2814T820, a 45 amp controller, and a 4S 3300 pack. If you use the Airboss controller, you won't need a seperate BEC. I've used Hitec HS65 servos all around, but have a set of HS5065 digitals I want to try out. I settled on an APC 11x7e prop, best combo of performance and duration. ? I hope this helps. ? Bob R. ? ? colin chariandy wrote: Hello all ? I'm trying to get some pattern flyer feedback on the some of the 30 size practice planes out there. I have a 10 sized (Inspire Mini) thats great for the local park when there is no wind but I would?like something a bit larger that can be flown at the flying field on typical fall/early winter?days (so some wind will be a factor). ? I have looked at the?Element 30, Aspera,?Vanquish and the new Angel 30. ? The Element is the largest and has cool features like an airfoiled stab and fin but may require some mods due to the usual Fliton issues, the Angel looks amazing but is ridiculously expensive, the Aspera is a bit small and does not have a?"tall body", the Vanquish has awkward looking L'gear.....none perfect but which is the best for pattern/FAI practice? ? Unfortunately most of the set-ups, reviews and comments on RCU and RCG are from 3D'ers who tend to overpower the airplanes or want 15min flights. They all seem to want to "ping" out of a hover...whatever that means. ? Are any of these in use for FAI practice and what?choices for power/batteries best emulate the current crop of 2M planes? ? I am particularly interested in the Element. If anyone has flown it I would appreacite your comments. ? Thanks much Colin. ? Looking for the perfect gift? 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URL: From don.ramsey at suddenlink.net Thu Oct 30 16:17:29 2008 From: don.ramsey at suddenlink.net (Don Ramsey) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:17:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question In-Reply-To: <20081030185145.2UR9J.22426.root@Web01> References: <20081030185145.2UR9J.22426.root@Web01> Message-ID: <028301c93aee$0f7345d0$2e59d170$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> About 42.9 oz with DZ170, Central DZ header, Hatori 821 pipe, Hyde AR80 mount and a nose ring that weights about 14g or 1/2 oz. -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:52 PM To: NSRCA List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question Could someone out there please tell me the total weight of a YS DZ 170 with Hyde (or YS) mount, nose ring, header and muffler? I'd appreciate the information. Thanks, George _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From bob at toprudder.com Thu Oct 30 16:19:51 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 00:19:51 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <973456.79799.qm@web1107.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Agreed. I live in Raleigh, NC. When I was "in the hunt" I flew all year. I could fly if it was calm and above freezing, or 45 degrees and wind < 15 knots. I would take a kerosene heater into the small shed and use it to warm my hands between flights. Bob R. John Ferrell wrote: If you can put up with 40 degrees and wind you can fly all winter in the Greensboro NC area. If it snows, it melts the next day. My personal limit has become 50 degrees and light wind. There is enough of that to keep me going! John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hepworth To: General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:52 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? District 1,2 and 4, guys how much flying do you get during the winter? Living in Ontario, Canada, I lose seven months of flying due to below zero temperatures and snow. Can anyone suggest any flying sites that are good for both pattern and IMAC aircraft? --------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Thu Oct 30 17:00:27 2008 From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:00:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question In-Reply-To: <028301c93aee$0f7345d0$2e59d170$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <20081030200025.TQARE.24303.root@Web01> Thanks Mucho, Don! G ---- Don Ramsey wrote: ============= About 42.9 oz with DZ170, Central DZ header, Hatori 821 pipe, Hyde AR80 mount and a nose ring that weights about 14g or 1/2 oz. -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:52 PM To: NSRCA List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question Could someone out there please tell me the total weight of a YS DZ 170 with Hyde (or YS) mount, nose ring, header and muffler? I'd appreciate the information. Thanks, George _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Thu Oct 30 18:05:11 2008 From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:05:11 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question In-Reply-To: <028301c93aee$0f7345d0$2e59d170$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <20081030210509.OJWZB.26073.root@Web01> I just got the ZDZ 40 today and it actually may be possible to make weight! Here are the numbers: ZDZ 40 with Hyde mount and 1/5 inch standoffs to clear carb/mount= 48 oz (1360g) Ignition = 4.55 oz (128g) ES Carbon pipe = 3.65 oz (104g) ES Header and couplers = 3.65 oz (104g) Total weight of 59.85 oz or 1696g Considering that 10S batteries weigh about 1200g ; Axi 5350 is about 650g and another 105g for the ESC (Spin 99). Though heavier than the 170DZ it's still less than the electric stuff! I'm getting excited about this! G ---- Don Ramsey wrote: ============= About 42.9 oz with DZ170, Central DZ header, Hatori 821 pipe, Hyde AR80 mount and a nose ring that weights about 14g or 1/2 oz. -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:52 PM To: NSRCA List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question Could someone out there please tell me the total weight of a YS DZ 170 with Hyde (or YS) mount, nose ring, header and muffler? I'd appreciate the information. Thanks, George _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Thu Oct 30 18:07:52 2008 From: glmiller3 at suddenlink.net (glmiller3 at suddenlink.net) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:07:52 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question In-Reply-To: <20081030210509.OJWZB.26073.root@Web01> Message-ID: <20081030210751.WGPH4.26151.root@Web01> OOPs! those are 1.5 inch stand offs. G ---- glmiller3 at suddenlink.net wrote: ============= I just got the ZDZ 40 today and it actually may be possible to make weight! Here are the numbers: ZDZ 40 with Hyde mount and 1/5 inch standoffs to clear carb/mount= 48 oz (1360g) Ignition = 4.55 oz (128g) ES Carbon pipe = 3.65 oz (104g) ES Header and couplers = 3.65 oz (104g) Total weight of 59.85 oz or 1696g Considering that 10S batteries weigh about 1200g ; Axi 5350 is about 650g and another 105g for the ESC (Spin 99). Though heavier than the 170DZ it's still less than the electric stuff! I'm getting excited about this! G ---- Don Ramsey wrote: ============= About 42.9 oz with DZ170, Central DZ header, Hatori 821 pipe, Hyde AR80 mount and a nose ring that weights about 14g or 1/2 oz. -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of glmiller3 at suddenlink.net Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:52 PM To: NSRCA List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Weight Question Could someone out there please tell me the total weight of a YS DZ 170 with Hyde (or YS) mount, nose ring, header and muffler? I'd appreciate the information. Thanks, George _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From patterndude at tx.rr.com Thu Oct 30 18:18:55 2008 From: patterndude at tx.rr.com (Lance Van Nostrand) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 02:18:55 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS 160 Nose Ring References: <008c01c93958$ca7d89e0$5f789da0$@maurice@sgmservice.com> Message-ID: Andy Pollitt has an excellent product. Flanges are thick enough to tap for 6-32 http://www.countryworkshop.ca/planes/andy/home.htm If you order one, order 2 and I'll buy it from you. --Lance ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene Maurice To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS 160 Nose Ring Does anyone know of a source for an OS 160 nose ring? I've previously manufactured my own from 1/8" ply and fuel tubing with fair success but am now looking for an alternative. TIA Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <1513422.810381225462380719.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web24-z02> ---- Paul Hepworth wrote: > District 1,2 and 4, guys how much flying do you get during the winter?? > ?Living in Ontario, Canada, I lose seven months of flying due to below zero temperatures and snow.? Can anyone suggest any flying sites that are good for both pattern and IMAC aircraft? In D2 we don't stop except when it is below 50 deg. in the morning. From aabdu at sbcglobal.net Fri Oct 31 06:22:39 2008 From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Abdullah) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:22:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? In-Reply-To: <1513422.810381225462380719.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web24-z02> Message-ID: <730052.62543.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> There must be something to taking off part of the season to build / recouperate / refocus, as we northern short flying season pilots are just as competitive as the guys that get to fly all year long. I don't know the exact numbers, but I know, for sure,?at least in FAI one of the top pilots lives in a cold climate with a relatively short flying season. That doesn't mean that they don't fly at all in the winter as they may travel, but I still find that interesting. ? I don't know how they do it though, for me I take a step back every winter and stink up the joint the first couple of contests trying to get back in the groove. I usually have only had about a half dozen good pattern flights before the first contest in D4. The spring weather is just too iffy in Ohio to get in much good practice. ? AA --- On Fri, 10/31/08, lightfoot at sc.rr.com wrote: From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] How much flying do you get during the winter? To: "General pattern discussion" , rctechnics at yahoo.com Date: Friday, October 31, 2008, 10:13 AM ---- Paul Hepworth wrote: > District 1,2 and 4, guys how much flying do you get during the winter?? > ?Living in Ontario, Canada, I lose seven months of flying due to below zero temperatures and snow.? Can anyone suggest any flying sites that are good for both pattern and IMAC aircraft? In D2 we don't stop except when it is below 50 deg. in the morning. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed_alt at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 08:03:07 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 16:03:07 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 4-5 lb balsa sheet supplier Message-ID: Looking for recommendations for a balsa supplier who can select 4-5 lb sheeting. 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