From cchariandy at yahoo.ca Sat Nov 1 07:19:48 2008 From: cchariandy at yahoo.ca (colin chariandy) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:19:48 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set Message-ID: <632331.56139.qm@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I eventually decided on the Element...it was the the airfoiled stabs that got me. ? I found a few comments on power set ups on RCG and RCU. As usual...no concensus and a mix of?very high power, heavy batts, or marginal power and tiny batts. ? Is anyone practicing with one of these and what is your set up and flying time. ? Colin. __________________________________________________________________ Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr! http://www.flickr.com/gift/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Sat Nov 1 08:04:51 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:04:51 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question Message-ID: <000f01c93c3b$89f98d20$9501a8c0@GW7422> I'm setting up a new airplane with a Hyde "Firm Idle" Type 'C' mount. I'm using an OS 120 Ax for this particular installation. There are a few sets of mounting holes on the beams. The OS 120 lines up with 2 of the 3 sets. One is located more forward than the other. I'm wondering which set of holes I should use. From what I understand, this is a "universal" mount and depending on which engine you use and which holes you use, you should end up at the same installed length. That way, theoretically, you can install the mount and swap engines without changing the spinner -> firewall distance. Has anyone used this mount and if so, what is the "standard" installed length? 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I'm using an OS 120 Ax for this particular installation. There are a few sets of mounting holes on the beams. The OS 120 lines up with 2 of the 3 sets. One is located more forward than the other. I'm wondering which set of holes I should use. From what I understand, this is a "universal" mount and depending on which engine you use and which holes you use, you should end up at the same installed length. That way, theoretically, you can install the mount and swap engines without changing the spinner -> firewall distance. Has anyone used this mount and if so, what is the "standard" installed length? John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11030 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbsmoot at gci.net Sat Nov 1 08:22:32 2008 From: cbsmoot at gci.net (Casey S) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 16:22:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set In-Reply-To: <632331.56139.qm@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <632331.56139.qm@web31303.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <79F7AAF494A2412ABFDE3E77F9AB5802@Homepc> I've been flying an Element 30 F3A For almost a year. With the set up I have in mine I can fly two sequences of PO-9 and still have 40 to 50% of my batterys left. Here's my set up: Motor- Extreme Flight Torque 2814/820 outrunner 500 watt. Speed Control- Airboss 45amp. Battery- Two Thunder Power 2100 mah 3cell prolites connected togather for 4200 mah 11.1v. Servos- Hitec HB-65 Note- I run one on each elevator half. 5 servos total. Prop- APC 14x7E. Two 2100 prolites are lighter than any 3000mah battery that I have found and alot more mah's available. But one 3000 or 4000mah battery will work fine. Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: colin chariandy To: NSRCA Mailing List Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set I eventually decided on the Element...it was the the airfoiled stabs that got me. I found a few comments on power set ups on RCG and RCU. As usual...no concensus and a mix of very high power, heavy batts, or marginal power and tiny batts. Is anyone practicing with one of these and what is your set up and flying time. Colin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get the name you've always wanted ! @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Sat Nov 1 09:20:51 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:20:51 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question References: <000f01c93c3b$89f98d20$9501a8c0@GW7422> <4A280A5DE8664A30ABB4EA78BDDDD2C9@Sanity> Message-ID: <002101c93c46$2b40bcd0$9501a8c0@GW7422> Mike, Yeah I know it doesn't really matter but... I MAY want to use a 140 Rx in this airplane later. As it stands now if you put the OS 120 on the mount using the most forward mounting holes the distance from the firewall to the spinner back plate is only 6 1/8". I remember the "standard" disatance being 6 3/8", that's why I'm asking the question. I know I can make it all work just fine but what if I want to change the engine later? It would be nice to just bolt it in using the correct holes in the mount. If I knew exactly which holes to use for the OS 120 that would be fine assuming that there are also other sets of holes that would work for any of the compatible engines AND position them exactly the same distance from the firewall. That's my understanding of how a "universal" engine mount should work. So... if the proper holes in this mouint for the OS 120Ax are the forward ones I'll just line everything up accordingly. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hester To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question John, I'm not positive about the 120 size, but the 2 meter size is set up for a standard 6 3/8" distance. This was just sort of the number we agreed upon a couple years back. It seems to be a compromise that works ok for just about everything including some of the more obscure stuff. The "real" answer is, it doesn't matter, whatever fits the plane =) -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: NSRCA Discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question I'm setting up a new airplane with a Hyde "Firm Idle" Type 'C' mount. I'm using an OS 120 Ax for this particular installation. There are a few sets of mounting holes on the beams. The OS 120 lines up with 2 of the 3 sets. One is located more forward than the other. I'm wondering which set of holes I should use. From what I understand, this is a "universal" mount and depending on which engine you use and which holes you use, you should end up at the same installed length. That way, theoretically, you can install the mount and swap engines without changing the spinner -> firewall distance. Has anyone used this mount and if so, what is the "standard" installed length? 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URL: From kerlock at comcast.net Sat Nov 1 09:35:20 2008 From: kerlock at comcast.net (Mike Hester) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:35:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question References: <000f01c93c3b$89f98d20$9501a8c0@GW7422><4A280A5DE8664A30ABB4EA78BDDDD2C9@Sanity> <002101c93c46$2b40bcd0$9501a8c0@GW7422> Message-ID: <545ECB7B7F9A4CDA9D7B44158A6D4B17@Sanity> I'm not positive, but my guess is if you want to install the 140 later, you'd just use the back holes and it SHOULD work. I think the only problem might come in if you got silly and put a DZ in there =) Aquilla I take it? Looks like a cool plane, care to share your impressions yet? -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question Mike, Yeah I know it doesn't really matter but... I MAY want to use a 140 Rx in this airplane later. As it stands now if you put the OS 120 on the mount using the most forward mounting holes the distance from the firewall to the spinner back plate is only 6 1/8". I remember the "standard" disatance being 6 3/8", that's why I'm asking the question. I know I can make it all work just fine but what if I want to change the engine later? It would be nice to just bolt it in using the correct holes in the mount. If I knew exactly which holes to use for the OS 120 that would be fine assuming that there are also other sets of holes that would work for any of the compatible engines AND position them exactly the same distance from the firewall. That's my understanding of how a "universal" engine mount should work. So... if the proper holes in this mouint for the OS 120Ax are the forward ones I'll just line everything up accordingly. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hester To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question John, I'm not positive about the 120 size, but the 2 meter size is set up for a standard 6 3/8" distance. This was just sort of the number we agreed upon a couple years back. It seems to be a compromise that works ok for just about everything including some of the more obscure stuff. The "real" answer is, it doesn't matter, whatever fits the plane =) -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: NSRCA Discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question I'm setting up a new airplane with a Hyde "Firm Idle" Type 'C' mount. I'm using an OS 120 Ax for this particular installation. There are a few sets of mounting holes on the beams. The OS 120 lines up with 2 of the 3 sets. One is located more forward than the other. I'm wondering which set of holes I should use. From what I understand, this is a "universal" mount and depending on which engine you use and which holes you use, you should end up at the same installed length. That way, theoretically, you can install the mount and swap engines without changing the spinner -> firewall distance. Has anyone used this mount and if so, what is the "standard" installed length? 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URL: From verne at twmi.rr.com Sat Nov 1 09:49:00 2008 From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 17:49:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Charger sold Message-ID: The TP 1010C charger and balancer have been sold. Verne Koester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Sat Nov 1 10:08:29 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:08:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question References: <000f01c93c3b$89f98d20$9501a8c0@GW7422><4A280A5DE8664A30ABB4EA78BDDDD2C9@Sanity><002101c93c46$2b40bcd0$9501a8c0@GW7422> <545ECB7B7F9A4CDA9D7B44158A6D4B17@Sanity> Message-ID: <003e01c93c4c$d1a2d3a0$9501a8c0@GW7422> Yup Aquila. No need for a DZ in this one. :) With the 120 Ax it should be just about 9 lbs. So far it's going well - with any luck I'll maiden it tomorrow. As usual I made some changes so it took me a little longer to assemble than it should have. Hey it's not "O.C.D." it's "Attention to Detail"! I had to mod. the landing gear mount so that I could use Bolly gear but other than that it was a pretty straight-forward build. It's made in China but the alignment is pretty good as well as the fit / finish. It's covered in genuine Monokote too. That's a BIG plus. The covering is always one of the worst parts of a Chinese ARF. OK I figured out the mount. Using an OS 160 as a reference the installed distance is in fact 6 3/8" from the firewall to the edge of the cowl. If you put the engine on the mount the spinner back plate will actually be about 6 7/16"" from the firewall so I gues the holes are placed to provide some clearance for the spinner -> cowl. Now, the OS 120 is just a little too short even if you use the front holes. Not a problem, I'll add a spacer behind the mount. Now I can easily change between 120 Ax, 140 Rx or 160 Fx. The only thing I have to do is install a spacer if I'm using the 120 Ax or remove it if I'm not. Neat. The AR 80 mount works the same way BTW. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hester To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question I'm not positive, but my guess is if you want to install the 140 later, you'd just use the back holes and it SHOULD work. I think the only problem might come in if you got silly and put a DZ in there =) Aquilla I take it? Looks like a cool plane, care to share your impressions yet? -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question Mike, Yeah I know it doesn't really matter but... I MAY want to use a 140 Rx in this airplane later. As it stands now if you put the OS 120 on the mount using the most forward mounting holes the distance from the firewall to the spinner back plate is only 6 1/8". I remember the "standard" disatance being 6 3/8", that's why I'm asking the question. I know I can make it all work just fine but what if I want to change the engine later? It would be nice to just bolt it in using the correct holes in the mount. If I knew exactly which holes to use for the OS 120 that would be fine assuming that there are also other sets of holes that would work for any of the compatible engines AND position them exactly the same distance from the firewall. That's my understanding of how a "universal" engine mount should work. So... if the proper holes in this mouint for the OS 120Ax are the forward ones I'll just line everything up accordingly. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Hester To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:16 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question John, I'm not positive about the 120 size, but the 2 meter size is set up for a standard 6 3/8" distance. This was just sort of the number we agreed upon a couple years back. It seems to be a compromise that works ok for just about everything including some of the more obscure stuff. The "real" answer is, it doesn't matter, whatever fits the plane =) -Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: NSRCA Discussion Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hyde mount question I'm setting up a new airplane with a Hyde "Firm Idle" Type 'C' mount. I'm using an OS 120 Ax for this particular installation. There are a few sets of mounting holes on the beams. The OS 120 lines up with 2 of the 3 sets. One is located more forward than the other. I'm wondering which set of holes I should use. From what I understand, this is a "universal" mount and depending on which engine you use and which holes you use, you should end up at the same installed length. That way, theoretically, you can install the mount and swap engines without changing the spinner -> firewall distance. Has anyone used this mount and if so, what is the "standard" installed length? 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URL: From aabdu at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 1 12:53:39 2008 From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Abdullah) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 20:53:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? In-Reply-To: <000f01c93c3b$89f98d20$9501a8c0@GW7422> Message-ID: <75002.52634.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I will never be mistaken for a world class pattern flyer. There are many reasons for that, but the two bigggies are as follows; 1. I have three left thumbs, four of which are retarded. Other than questionable math skills, practice will help me with this one to a degree. 2. After a Lasik surgery that went terribly wrong and several return visits to the eye doctor, I just don't see very well, and practice doesn't seem to be helping that. My biggest problem is telling when I am wings level at altitude just before I enter a maneuver. I find myself practicing little work arounds like dropping my inside wing then rolling back to what I think should be wings level. In the end I enter and exit a LOT of maneuvers without my wings level. I was wondering if there was something I could do with the color scheme of my new airplane to help me determine when the wings were level or very close to it. What I was thinking was some kind of high vis, or low vis (as long as there is contrast) shape on the wing tip. In my mind I see a concept like lining up the sights of a rifle where when the wings were level from the ground view I would see a solid color or a certain amount of a high vis color that lets me know that my wings are level. I know there are a ton of variables like altitude, light levels, heading, etc, but having an additional clue that would be visible at "normal" pattern altitude would be great. Something I can get used to seeing that would let me know I am just about there. Has anyone ever experimented with something like this before? What are the best colors and shapes to use? Is the whole idea a waste of time? All thoughts are welcome. Thanks for your input. Anthony From aabdu at sbcglobal.net Sat Nov 1 13:01:02 2008 From: aabdu at sbcglobal.net (Anthony Abdullah) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:01:02 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? In-Reply-To: <000f01c93c3b$89f98d20$9501a8c0@GW7422> Message-ID: <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch but not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a ziplock bag with a little air in it. Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? Are Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse the pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. Thanks for any info and suggestions. Anthony From flyintexan at att.net Sat Nov 1 13:07:22 2008 From: flyintexan at att.net (Mark Hunt) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:07:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? References: <75002.52634.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <80F088F116CF4878A0EA928B670A43A6@MARK> What about bright LED's buried in the wingtips? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Abdullah" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 15:53 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? >I will never be mistaken for a world class pattern flyer. There are many >reasons for that, but the two bigggies are as follows; > > 1. I have three left thumbs, four of which are retarded. Other than > questionable math skills, practice will help me with this one to a degree. > > 2. After a Lasik surgery that went terribly wrong and several return > visits to the eye doctor, I just don't see very well, and practice doesn't > seem to be helping that. > > My biggest problem is telling when I am wings level at altitude just > before I enter a maneuver. I find myself practicing little work arounds > like dropping my inside wing then rolling back to what I think should be > wings level. In the end I enter and exit a LOT of maneuvers without my > wings level. > > I was wondering if there was something I could do with the color scheme of > my new airplane to help me determine when the wings were level or very > close to it. What I was thinking was some kind of high vis, or low vis (as > long as there is contrast) shape on the wing tip. In my mind I see a > concept like lining up the sights of a rifle where when the wings were > level from the ground view I would see a solid color or a certain amount > of a high vis color that lets me know that my wings are level. > > I know there are a ton of variables like altitude, light levels, heading, > etc, but having an additional clue that would be visible at "normal" > pattern altitude would be great. Something I can get used to seeing that > would let me know I am just about there. > > Has anyone ever experimented with something like this before? What are the > best colors and shapes to use? Is the whole idea a waste of time? All > thoughts are welcome. > > Thanks for your input. > Anthony > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From trexlesh at msn.com Sat Nov 1 13:35:25 2008 From: trexlesh at msn.com (Rex) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:35:25 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? In-Reply-To: <80F088F116CF4878A0EA928B670A43A6@MARK> References: <75002.52634.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <80F088F116CF4878A0EA928B670A43A6@MARK> Message-ID: I've always liked a chevron stripe of contrast that runs from the leading edge of the wing at the fuse, to the trailing edge of the wing tip... It has to taper in width being narrow at the fuse and wider at the tip... As the wing is tipped down, you will notice that the chevron tends to disappear... You can also put a stripe from the leading edge to the trailing edge so that it just shows on the far wing just past the fuse bottom. Just assemble your plane and hang it from the ceiling and stare at it for a while at the appropriate angle... That may give you some ideas Rex > From: flyintexan at att.net> To: aabdu at sbcglobal.net; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2008 16:07:17 -0500> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator?> > What about bright LED's buried in the wingtips?> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anthony Abdullah" > To: "General pattern discussion" > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 15:53> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator?> > > >I will never be mistaken for a world class pattern flyer. There are many > >reasons for that, but the two bigggies are as follows;> >> > 1. I have three left thumbs, four of which are retarded. Other than > > questionable math skills, practice will help me with this one to a degree.> >> > 2. After a Lasik surgery that went terribly wrong and several return > > visits to the eye doctor, I just don't see very well, and practice doesn't > > seem to be helping that.> >> > My biggest problem is telling when I am wings level at altitude just > > before I enter a maneuver. I find myself practicing little work arounds > > like dropping my inside wing then rolling back to what I think should be > > wings level. In the end I enter and exit a LOT of maneuvers without my > > wings level.> >> > I was wondering if there was something I could do with the color scheme of > > my new airplane to help me determine when the wings were level or very > > close to it. What I was thinking was some kind of high vis, or low vis (as > > long as there is contrast) shape on the wing tip. In my mind I see a > > concept like lining up the sights of a rifle where when the wings were > > level from the ground view I would see a solid color or a certain amount > > of a high vis color that lets me know that my wings are level.> >> > I know there are a ton of variables like altitude, light levels, heading, > > etc, but having an additional clue that would be visible at "normal" > > pattern altitude would be great. Something I can get used to seeing that > > would let me know I am just about there.> >> > Has anyone ever experimented with something like this before? What are the > > best colors and shapes to use? Is the whole idea a waste of time? All > > thoughts are welcome.> >> > Thanks for your input.> > Anthony> > _______________________________________________> > NSRCA-discussion mailing list> > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cahochhalter at yahoo.com Sat Nov 1 13:36:27 2008 From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com (Charles Hochhalter) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 21:36:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? In-Reply-To: <80F088F116CF4878A0EA928B670A43A6@MARK> Message-ID: <166958.67456.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I use Richard Lewis as my indicator, he can clearly spot and inform that... ? Chuck, you wingtip low AGAIN.. smack... fix it... ? I too have trouble with the inboard wing being just slightly low. ? Maybe I should build anhedral in my wings and thus fix my troubles? ? --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Mark Hunt wrote: From: Mark Hunt Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? To: aabdu at sbcglobal.net, "General pattern discussion" Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 9:07 PM What about bright LED's buried in the wingtips? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Abdullah" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 15:53 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? >I will never be mistaken for a world class pattern flyer. There are many >reasons for that, but the two bigggies are as follows; > > 1. I have three left thumbs, four of which are retarded. Other than > questionable math skills, practice will help me with this one to a degree. > > 2. After a Lasik surgery that went terribly wrong and several return > visits to the eye doctor, I just don't see very well, and practice doesn't > seem to be helping that. > > My biggest problem is telling when I am wings level at altitude just > before I enter a maneuver. I find myself practicing little work arounds > like dropping my inside wing then rolling back to what I think should be > wings level. In the end I enter and exit a LOT of maneuvers without my > wings level. > > I was wondering if there was something I could do with the color scheme of > my new airplane to help me determine when the wings were level or very > close to it. What I was thinking was some kind of high vis, or low vis (as > long as there is contrast) shape on the wing tip. In my mind I see a > concept like lining up the sights of a rifle where when the wings were > level from the ground view I would see a solid color or a certain amount > of a high vis color that lets me know that my wings are level. > > I know there are a ton of variables like altitude, light levels, heading, > etc, but having an additional clue that would be visible at "normal" > pattern altitude would be great. Something I can get used to seeing that > would let me know I am just about there. > > Has anyone ever experimented with something like this before? What are the > best colors and shapes to use? Is the whole idea a waste of time? All > thoughts are welcome. > > Thanks for your input. > Anthony > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From schale at optonline.net Sat Nov 1 14:40:36 2008 From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:40:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? In-Reply-To: <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <490CDAC2.80306@optonline.net> As lipos get older and weaker (we then push them harder) they will tend to swell a bit when hot but should return to normal when cool. If they stay puffed up then at least 1 cell has gone bad. I have been told that cells only puff when they are flown to too low a voltage. If always kept at 3.6/3.7 per cell at the end of the flight, 80% or so of usable power, then they should not puff. They still may weaken and fail but shouldn't puff up. Are you sure that you charged the pack before flying? That would be the quickest way to go well below the safe voltage limit. Flying 2 flights without recharging :) Stuart Chale Anthony Abdullah wrote: > I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch but not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a ziplock bag with a little air in it. > > Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? Are Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse the pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. > > Thanks for any info and suggestions. > Anthony > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > From verne at twmi.rr.com Sat Nov 1 15:17:23 2008 From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:17:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? References: <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <490CDAC2.80306@optonline.net> Message-ID: <7DEC661361604480A69E404BB909572D@Vinnie> Stuart, I've had cells puff with the pack just sitting on the bench. In one case, the pack was brand new and I hadn't even soldered a connector to it yet. I checked the voltage and it was about 19.5v on a 5-cell,. Another time was my fault when I left a pack fully charged for about a month because of lousy weather at the end of last season. The manufacturer replaced both of those packs at no charge. In any event, with what Anthony described, I don't think I'd tempt fate by putting a charger on it. Verne Koester ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Chale" To: ; "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? > As lipos get older and weaker (we then push them harder) they will tend to > swell a bit when hot but should return to normal when cool. If they stay > puffed up then at least 1 cell has gone bad. I have been told that cells > only puff when they are flown to too low a voltage. If always kept at > 3.6/3.7 per cell at the end of the flight, 80% or so of usable power, then > they should not puff. They still may weaken and fail but shouldn't puff > up. Are you sure that you charged the pack before flying? That would be > the quickest way to go well below the safe voltage limit. Flying 2 > flights without recharging :) > > Stuart Chale > > > Anthony Abdullah wrote: >> I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I >> was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed >> and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch >> but not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a >> ziplock bag with a little air in it. >> >> Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? >> Are Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse >> the pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. >> >> Thanks for any info and suggestions. >> Anthony >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From verne at twmi.rr.com Sat Nov 1 15:21:19 2008 From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:21:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? References: <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2751613A645A49DFA7CCBC764A839F76@Vinnie> Discharge it for a couple weeks in a bucket of salt water and then throw it away unless you like to live life on the edge. Strike that, I KNOW you like to live life on the edge, but you still need an unburned roof over your head so just do the discharge/disposal thing.... Verne Koester ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Abdullah" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:00 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? >I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I >was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed >and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch but >not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a ziplock >bag with a little air in it. > > Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? Are > Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse the > pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. > > Thanks for any info and suggestions. > Anthony > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From schale at optonline.net Sat Nov 1 15:24:12 2008 From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale) Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:24:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? In-Reply-To: <7DEC661361604480A69E404BB909572D@Vinnie> References: <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <490CDAC2.80306@optonline.net> <7DEC661361604480A69E404BB909572D@Vinnie> Message-ID: <490CE515.3000206@optonline.net> Puffing only at too low a voltage is info I received from a manufacturer. Not sure if it is fact or just a way for them not to uphold their warranty :) I have had cells fail in my pattern packs but never by puffing. I have had a few indoor packs puff after sitting around for a long time. Unsure if they were charged or not prior to sitting. Stuart Verne Koester wrote: > Stuart, > I've had cells puff with the pack just sitting on the bench. In one > case, the pack was brand new and I hadn't even soldered a connector to > it yet. I checked the voltage and it was about 19.5v on a 5-cell,. > Another time was my fault when I left a pack fully charged for about a > month because of lousy weather at the end of last season. The > manufacturer replaced both of those packs at no charge. > > In any event, with what Anthony described, I don't think I'd tempt > fate by putting a charger on it. > > Verne Koester > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Chale" > To: ; "General pattern discussion" > > Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 6:40 PM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? > > >> As lipos get older and weaker (we then push them harder) they will >> tend to swell a bit when hot but should return to normal when cool. >> If they stay puffed up then at least 1 cell has gone bad. I have >> been told that cells only puff when they are flown to too low a >> voltage. If always kept at 3.6/3.7 per cell at the end of the >> flight, 80% or so of usable power, then they should not puff. They >> still may weaken and fail but shouldn't puff up. Are you sure that >> you charged the pack before flying? That would be the quickest way >> to go well below the safe voltage limit. Flying 2 flights without >> recharging :) >> >> Stuart Chale >> >> >> Anthony Abdullah wrote: >>> I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric >>> plane. I was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty >>> quickly. I landed and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It >>> was warm to the touch but not hot. I let it cool but it is still a >>> little puffy almost like a ziplock bag with a little air in it. >>> >>> Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move >>> on? Are Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I >>> didn't abuse the pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. >>> >>> Thanks for any info and suggestions. >>> Anthony >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >>> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >>> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >>> >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > From ggall at bellsouth.net Sat Nov 1 17:57:47 2008 From: ggall at bellsouth.net (Gerald Gallagher) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 01:57:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set In-Reply-To: <79F7AAF494A2412ABFDE3E77F9AB5802@Homepc> Message-ID: <3B9E1093C7E24BF5A6B70E5A34558A5B@geraldsdell> Where did yo find your Element 30 F3A? Jerry Gallagher -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Casey S Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:22 PM To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set I've been flying an Element 30 F3A For almost a year. With the set up I have in mine I can fly two sequences of PO-9 and still have 40 to 50% of my batterys left. Here's my set up: Motor- Extreme Flight Torque 2814/820 outrunner 500 watt. Speed Control- Airboss 45amp. Battery- Two Thunder Power 2100 mah 3cell prolites connected togather for 4200 mah 11.1v. Servos- Hitec HB-65 Note- I run one on each elevator half. 5 servos total. Prop- APC 14x7E. Two 2100 prolites are lighter than any 3000mah battery that I have found and alot more mah's available. But one 3000 or 4000mah battery will work fine. Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: colin chariandy To: NSRCA Mailing List Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set I eventually decided on the Element...it was the the airfoiled stabs that got me. I found a few comments on power set ups on RCG and RCU. As usual...no concensus and a mix of very high power, heavy batts, or marginal power and tiny batts. Is anyone practicing with one of these and what is your set up and flying time. Colin. _____ Get the name you've always wanted ! @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cbsmoot at gci.net Sat Nov 1 18:40:47 2008 From: cbsmoot at gci.net (Casey S) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 02:40:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set In-Reply-To: <3B9E1093C7E24BF5A6B70E5A34558A5B@geraldsdell> References: <3B9E1093C7E24BF5A6B70E5A34558A5B@geraldsdell> Message-ID: Messagewww.flitonstore.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Gerald Gallagher To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set Where did yo find your Element 30 F3A? Jerry Gallagher -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Casey S Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:22 PM To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set I've been flying an Element 30 F3A For almost a year. With the set up I have in mine I can fly two sequences of PO-9 and still have 40 to 50% of my batterys left. Here's my set up: Motor- Extreme Flight Torque 2814/820 outrunner 500 watt. Speed Control- Airboss 45amp. Battery- Two Thunder Power 2100 mah 3cell prolites connected togather for 4200 mah 11.1v. Servos- Hitec HB-65 Note- I run one on each elevator half. 5 servos total. Prop- APC 14x7E. Two 2100 prolites are lighter than any 3000mah battery that I have found and alot more mah's available. But one 3000 or 4000mah battery will work fine. Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: colin chariandy To: NSRCA Mailing List Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set I eventually decided on the Element...it was the the airfoiled stabs that got me. I found a few comments on power set ups on RCG and RCU. As usual...no concensus and a mix of very high power, heavy batts, or marginal power and tiny batts. 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Jerry Gallagher -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Casey S Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 12:22 PM To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set I've been flying an Element 30 F3A For almost a year. With the set up I have in mine I can fly two sequences of PO-9 and still have 40 to 50% of my batterys left. Here's my set up: Motor- Extreme Flight Torque 2814/820 outrunner 500 watt. Speed Control- Airboss 45amp. Battery- Two Thunder Power 2100 mah 3cell prolites connected togather for 4200 mah 11.1v. Servos- Hitec HB-65 Note- I run one on each elevator half. 5 servos total. Prop- APC 14x7E. Two 2100 prolites are lighter than any 3000mah battery that I have found and alot more mah's available. But one 3000 or 4000mah battery will work fine. Casey ----- Original Message ----- From: colin chariandy To: NSRCA Mailing List Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Element 30 Power set I eventually decided on the Element...it was the the airfoiled stabs that got me. I found a few comments on power set ups on RCG and RCU. As usual...no concensus and a mix of very high power, heavy batts, or marginal power and tiny batts. Is anyone practicing with one of these and what is your set up and flying time. Colin. _____ Get the name you've always wanted ! @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DaveL322 at comcast.net Sun Nov 2 06:54:07 2008 From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 15:54:07 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? In-Reply-To: <75002.52634.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000f01c93c3b$89f98d20$9501a8c0@GW7422> <75002.52634.qm@web82101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anthony, Bummer about the botched lasik. My eyes are also not the best, so my color scheme is designed to help that. If not familiar with the concept of "gray scale", google it. Basically, the highest contrast is between black and white, and at distance, our eyes tend to loose perception of color, but still see gray scale. Things like red, green, and blue all turn to black in the air - so the contrast between these colors decreases with increased distance. The fuse on my planes has a white stripe down the middle, and above/below is red (this pretty much appears to be white/black in the air). The wingtips are white for the last 6-8". When the wings are level, the white wingtips pretty much disappear in the white strip on the fuse sides. When the wings aren't level, the white tips contrast with the red areas on the fuse sides. Late in the evenings, when the light is weak, the LE of the white wingtips is what I see the best when the plane is coming at me out of turnarounds. Regards, Dave Lockhart -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Abdullah Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 4:54 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Visual wings level indicator? I will never be mistaken for a world class pattern flyer. There are many reasons for that, but the two bigggies are as follows; 1. I have three left thumbs, four of which are retarded. Other than questionable math skills, practice will help me with this one to a degree. 2. After a Lasik surgery that went terribly wrong and several return visits to the eye doctor, I just don't see very well, and practice doesn't seem to be helping that. My biggest problem is telling when I am wings level at altitude just before I enter a maneuver. I find myself practicing little work arounds like dropping my inside wing then rolling back to what I think should be wings level. In the end I enter and exit a LOT of maneuvers without my wings level. I was wondering if there was something I could do with the color scheme of my new airplane to help me determine when the wings were level or very close to it. What I was thinking was some kind of high vis, or low vis (as long as there is contrast) shape on the wing tip. In my mind I see a concept like lining up the sights of a rifle where when the wings were level from the ground view I would see a solid color or a certain amount of a high vis color that lets me know that my wings are level. I know there are a ton of variables like altitude, light levels, heading, etc, but having an additional clue that would be visible at "normal" pattern altitude would be great. Something I can get used to seeing that would let me know I am just about there. Has anyone ever experimented with something like this before? What are the best colors and shapes to use? Is the whole idea a waste of time? All thoughts are welcome. Thanks for your input. Anthony _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From DaveL322 at comcast.net Sun Nov 2 07:06:10 2008 From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:06:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? In-Reply-To: <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <000f01c93c3b$89f98d20$9501a8c0@GW7422> <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CBC4E8537FF4F6CAA695C395DA3CD3C@davedesktop> I don't think you can 100% define when/why a lipo puffs, but you can generalize some points which increase the odds of a lipo puffing - - deep discharging is bad - leaving charged while idle is bad - exceeding 130F is bad - running it hard after a period of rest is bad - older lipos are more likely to puff All of the above are relative, ie, there is no magic number for % discharge that will guarantee "X" number of cycles. Combining one or more of the above is an additive effect - leave an old lipo sitting charged, and then heat it up running it hard in hot weather and use 80+ % capacity, and that is the most likely to result in puffing - and if it doesn't, that would still seem to be the scenario that will shorten the life the quickest. Once a lipo has puffed (or been dented, bent, or otherwise mechanically mangled), it may or may not show any short term degradation in performance (imbalance, reduced power, running hotter, etc) - but you can bet the odds of it puffing are increased and the performance is more likely to decrease, and the longevity of the pack is decreasing. Once a lipo starts to noticeably deteriorate in performance, the deterioration is usually pretty fast. Regards, Dave Lockhart -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Abdullah Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:01 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch but not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a ziplock bag with a little air in it. Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? Are Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse the pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. Thanks for any info and suggestions. Anthony _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From cahochhalter at yahoo.com Sun Nov 2 07:56:59 2008 From: cahochhalter at yahoo.com (Charles Hochhalter) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 16:56:59 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? In-Reply-To: <3CBC4E8537FF4F6CAA695C395DA3CD3C@davedesktop> Message-ID: <865037.17530.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Dave, i think you just described how i feel most days using the puffy lipo explanation, hahaha... ? good complete explanation tho, thanks... ? I had not heard about not running them hard after sitting, by this do you mean after winter "breaking them in" again with a few flights before contest grade flying again? --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Dave wrote: From: Dave Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? To: aabdu at sbcglobal.net, "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:05 PM I don't think you can 100% define when/why a lipo puffs, but you can generalize some points which increase the odds of a lipo puffing - - deep discharging is bad - leaving charged while idle is bad - exceeding 130F is bad - running it hard after a period of rest is bad - older lipos are more likely to puff All of the above are relative, ie, there is no magic number for % discharge that will guarantee "X" number of cycles. Combining one or more of the above is an additive effect - leave an old lipo sitting charged, and then heat it up running it hard in hot weather and use 80+ % capacity, and that is the most likely to result in puffing - and if it doesn't, that would still seem to be the scenario that will shorten the life the quickest. Once a lipo has puffed (or been dented, bent, or otherwise mechanically mangled), it may or may not show any short term degradation in performance (imbalance, reduced power, running hotter, etc) - but you can bet the odds of it puffing are increased and the performance is more likely to decrease, and the longevity of the pack is decreasing. Once a lipo starts to noticeably deteriorate in performance, the deterioration is usually pretty fast. Regards, Dave Lockhart -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Abdullah Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:01 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch but not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a ziplock bag with a little air in it. Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? Are Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse the pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. Thanks for any info and suggestions. Anthony _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahrensw at charter.net Sun Nov 2 09:12:00 2008 From: ahrensw at charter.net (ahrensw at charter.net) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 18:12:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] TP 1010C In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20081102131156.XRWL9.749355.root@mp19> I have a Thunderpower 1010C charger with a Thunderpower 210v balancer. Used 1 season in perfect condition. Together, they cost $300.00 new. Will sell for $175.00. Please contact me off list if interested. Bill Ahrens From pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net Sun Nov 2 11:58:38 2008 From: pnahobbies at sbcglobal.net (Ihncheol Park) Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 20:58:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for Iota 55 amp power supply Message-ID: <897448.86597.qm@web180106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Does anyone have one or two Iota 55amp powersupply to sell? I need at least one used or new. If you do, please reply off line. Thanks, Ihncheol Park PnAHobbies at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Mon Nov 3 06:21:27 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 15:21:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for Iota 55 amp power supply In-Reply-To: <897448.86597.qm@web180106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <534895.3467.qm@web33001.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ebay is the cheapest spot I've seen. About $100 each.. Chris ? ? ? --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Ihncheol Park wrote: From: Ihncheol Park Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for Iota 55 amp power supply To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 12:58 PM Does anyone have one or two Iota 55amp powersupply to sell? I need at least one used or new. If you do, please reply off line. Thanks, ? Ihncheol Park PnAHobbies at sbcglobal.net_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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G ---- krishlan fitzsimmons wrote: ============= I just saw a good size sale on these in an email I got from pacificmodels.ca 5350 F3A's for 378 each.. I'm not affiliated with them, just thought I'd pass on the deal to save someone some money.. Chris ? ? ? From DPeckNSRCA at aol.com Mon Nov 3 07:30:27 2008 From: DPeckNSRCA at aol.com (DPeckNSRCA at aol.com) Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 16:30:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Axi and Flight Power Sale Message-ID: Hey guys......Sorry about the Milk Bone thing. My mistake. Don Peck **************Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212416248x1200771803/aol?redir=http://travel.aol.com/discount-travel?ncid=emlcntustrav00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at koolsoft.com Mon Nov 3 18:47:25 2008 From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 03:47:25 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Phoenix Contest Message-ID: The registration page for the SVF Fall Pattern Classic is Phoenix is up. Contest dates are November 15th-16th at Sun Valley Fliers field. Contest Flyer - http://www.patternflying.net/NewsDetailPage.aspx?ID=2 Pre-Registration Page - http://www.patternflying.net/TempRegistrationPage.aspx Hope to see you all there. - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DaveL322 at comcast.net Mon Nov 3 19:56:10 2008 From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:56:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? In-Reply-To: <865037.17530.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3CBC4E8537FF4F6CAA695C395DA3CD3C@davedesktop> <865037.17530.qm@web83207.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <953A75E3465845818EAFBAC60432DCE7@davedesktop> Chuck, I try to do a couple break-in runs on new packs (reduced amps, 40-50% discharge), and if they sit for more than a month, I try to go easy on them for the first run - I'm usually to lazy to switch to a smaller prop, but I'll go easy on the throttle, and keep the flight duration short. If they really sit for a long time (2-3 months), then I'll do the "new" break-in again. Dave _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Charles Hochhalter Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 11:57 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? Dave, i think you just described how i feel most days using the puffy lipo explanation, hahaha... good complete explanation tho, thanks... I had not heard about not running them hard after sitting, by this do you mean after winter "breaking them in" again with a few flights before contest grade flying again? --- On Sun, 11/2/08, Dave wrote: From: Dave Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? To: aabdu at sbcglobal.net, "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 4:05 PM I don't think you can 100% define when/why a lipo puffs, but you can generalize some points which increase the odds of a lipo puffing - - deep discharging is bad - leaving charged while idle is bad - exceeding 130F is bad - running it hard after a period of rest is bad - older lipos are more likely to puff All of the above are relative, ie, there is no magic number for % discharge that will guarantee "X" number of cycles. Combining one or more of the above is an additive effect - leave an old lipo sitting charged, and then heat it up running it hard in hot weather and use 80+ % capacity, and that is the most likely to result in puffing - and if it doesn't, that would still seem to be the scenario that will shorten the life the quickest. Once a lipo has puffed (or been dented, bent, or otherwise mechanically mangled), it may or may not show any short term degradation in performance (imbalance, reduced power, running hotter, etc) - but you can bet the odds of it puffing are increased and the performance is more likely to decrease, and the longevity of the pack is decreasing. Once a lipo starts to noticeably deteriorate in performance, the deterioration is usually pretty fast. Regards, Dave Lockhart -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Abdullah Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 5:01 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch but not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a ziplock bag with a little air in it. Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? Are Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse the pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. Thanks for any info and suggestions. Anthony _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kerlock at comcast.net Tue Nov 4 06:31:18 2008 From: kerlock at comcast.net (Mike Hester) Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 15:31:18 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Stuff for sale Message-ID: hey guys, just cleaning out my shop a bit, I have a couple of things I don't need, so here's a couple of smoking deals. Sebart Sukhoi 50 size, new in box, still in shipping carton-$225 shipped Axi 4130-16 brand new in plastic, $100 shipped or both for $300 shipped.... Strongly prefer paypal or credit card. if you're interested, hit me back at kerlock at comcast.net off list. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hank and all, Thanks so much for so many offers of help both on and off the list. I took up the first two that I got and it looks like we're covered. Thanks so much again! JLK From: HankPajari at aol.comDate: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 16:34:10 -0500To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Help!!! Hi I have Adobe 9. If you send it to me I will try to convert it to a Word Document for you. Hank In a message dated 11/5/2008 12:39:13 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, jlkonn at hotmail.com writes: Can anyone out there help me do a real quick edit to a Word document that is in .pdf format.I've tried Adobe and can't do it.It's a K-Factor ad.If yes please email me off list.Thanks!JLK=_______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. 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Please pass this information on to other F3A pilots that do not receive emails from this list. I will also be posting this information on RCU. All the information is available on the NSRCA website at http:/www.nsrca.us and then click on the FAI - CIAM F3A Information link on the main page. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From LARRYFIELD35 at msn.com Wed Nov 5 18:49:06 2008 From: LARRYFIELD35 at msn.com (LARRY R FIELD) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:49:06 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results In-Reply-To: <005401c93fb7$0b6d7e60$22487b20$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> References: <005401c93fb7$0b6d7e60$22487b20$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: Don, Posted on WHAT? Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Ramsey To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:26 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results Results for the Northern New Mexico Pattern Challenge, Albuquerque, NM is posted on _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Wed Nov 5 18:56:12 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 03:56:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results In-Reply-To: References: <005401c93fb7$0b6d7e60$22487b20$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: I think ole Don fell asleep at the computer again. Ron VP On Nov 5, 2008, at 9:47 PM, LARRY R FIELD wrote: > Don, > > Posted on WHAT? > > Larry > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Ramsey > To: 'General pattern discussion' > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:26 PM > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results > > Results for the Northern New Mexico Pattern Challenge, Albuquerque, > NM is posted on > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From tkeithblack at gmail.com Wed Nov 5 19:38:28 2008 From: tkeithblack at gmail.com (Keith Black) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 04:38:28 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results In-Reply-To: References: <005401c93fb7$0b6d7e60$22487b20$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <21812F1CF8C345B58ABC37DCFCF87F71@OfficePC> Try this http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Van Putte" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results >I think ole Don fell asleep at the computer again. > > Ron VP > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 9:47 PM, LARRY R FIELD wrote: > >> Don, >> >> Posted on WHAT? >> >> Larry >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Don Ramsey >> To: 'General pattern discussion' >> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:26 PM >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results >> >> Results for the Northern New Mexico Pattern Challenge, Albuquerque, >> NM is posted on >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From ejhaury at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 01:37:13 2008 From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:37:13 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM F3A Information In-Reply-To: <003EAC548B5E4093AC4AD75CA0977309@BENICIA> References: <003EAC548B5E4093AC4AD75CA0977309@BENICIA> Message-ID: CIAM F3A InformationDerek Thanks for posting this info. Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Koopowitz To: 'General pattern discussion' ; 'CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT' Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM F3A Information I received the latest CIAM F3A newsletter from the chairman of the CIAM along with a number of proposals that pertain to clarifying F3A rules in the FAI rulebook. If you are an F3A competitor I would encourage you to read the newsletter and also to read the proposals and if you have any feedback on them please provide them to me and I will pass them on. The deadline to provide feedback is Nov. 15th but should be received by them (CIAM) prior to the 15th, so you'll need to get them to me as soon as possible. I would also encourage you to think about changes you'd like to see in the rules, if you think they are not clear, so that a potential proposal can be submitted to the CIAM. Please pass this information on to other F3A pilots that do not receive emails from this list. I will also be posting this information on RCU. All the information is available on the NSRCA website at http:/www.nsrca.us and then click on the FAI - CIAM F3A Information link on the main page. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ejhaury at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 01:47:45 2008 From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 10:47:45 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM F3A Information In-Reply-To: <003EAC548B5E4093AC4AD75CA0977309@BENICIA> References: <003EAC548B5E4093AC4AD75CA0977309@BENICIA> Message-ID: <8F7333151A73480ABC8F419A56188A27@EarlPC> CIAM F3A InformationCertainly the F3A folks have an interest in this info. AMA competitors might also find the info and process interesting. For those who haven't deciphered the FAI system, look at the CIAM as being for worldwide modeling somewhat similar to what the AMA is for US modeling, at the competition level. The individual subcommittees (F3A is pattern) within the CIAM function sort of like AMA Contest Boards, with each participating country having a representative. A significant change is that the internet now provides for rapid exchange of info / ideas worldwide, presenting an opportunity for everyone to participate in the process. Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: Derek Koopowitz To: 'General pattern discussion' ; 'CA, AZ, HI, NV, UT' Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 9:30 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] CIAM F3A Information I received the latest CIAM F3A newsletter from the chairman of the CIAM along with a number of proposals that pertain to clarifying F3A rules in the FAI rulebook. If you are an F3A competitor I would encourage you to read the newsletter and also to read the proposals and if you have any feedback on them please provide them to me and I will pass them on. The deadline to provide feedback is Nov. 15th but should be received by them (CIAM) prior to the 15th, so you'll need to get them to me as soon as possible. I would also encourage you to think about changes you'd like to see in the rules, if you think they are not clear, so that a potential proposal can be submitted to the CIAM. Please pass this information on to other F3A pilots that do not receive emails from this list. I will also be posting this information on RCU. All the information is available on the NSRCA website at http:/www.nsrca.us and then click on the FAI - CIAM F3A Information link on the main page. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.ramsey at suddenlink.net Thu Nov 6 04:17:35 2008 From: don.ramsey at suddenlink.net (Don Ramsey) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:17:35 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results In-Reply-To: <005401c93fb7$0b6d7e60$22487b20$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> References: <005401c93fb7$0b6d7e60$22487b20$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: <00af01c94011$c8b5f740$5a21e5c0$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Sorry guys, it was in the post that I sent added. I don't know what happened. The site is http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey/ Don From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Ramsey Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results Results for the Northern New Mexico Pattern Challenge, Albuquerque, NM is posted on -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rclindberg at q.com Thu Nov 6 05:44:37 2008 From: rclindberg at q.com (Richard) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 14:44:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results In-Reply-To: <005401c93fb7$0b6d7e60$22487b20$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> <00af01c94011$c8b5f740$5a21e5c0$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> References: <005401c93fb7$0b6d7e60$22487b20$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> <00af01c94011$c8b5f740$5a21e5c0$@ramsey@suddenlink.net> Message-ID: Don: Thanks for the *promotion*, but the CD was Jeff Hill (of prior Nats fame); his co-CD was Kent Paul. They did a super job! Richard Lindberg From: Don Ramsey Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:15 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results Sorry guys, it was in the post that I sent added. I don't know what happened. The site is http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey/ Don From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Ramsey Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results Results for the Northern New Mexico Pattern Challenge, Albuquerque, NM is posted on -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Nov 6 13:11:16 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2008 22:11:16 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info Message-ID: <2996.79210.qm@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone taken the time to measure the?port timing?of various model airplane 2C engines? Specifically the OS140 and 160? Also, if anyone has?cam profiles + index info?for the YS 160 and 170?4C motors I'd be interested in that as well. ? John Pavlick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kgamueller at rogers.com Thu Nov 6 15:22:23 2008 From: kgamueller at rogers.com (Karl G. Mueller) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:22:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info References: <2996.79210.qm@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0C8DE3C0049140FEA3523DCAD8260E8D@ownere1e679627> John, Most of the 2C sport engines to be used with a muffler are timed at about 145-148? exhaust down time. On most of the .60 to 1.60 size, to get the benefit of the supercharging effect from the pipe, I increase the exhaust downtime to 155-158?, without changing the intake timing, except for some directional porting for better scavenging effect. This all will not decrease a reliable idle. I believe that the pylon engines are ported to 170? exhaust down time and on those you are not looking for a reliable low idle. Never tried any work on 4 strokes. To get any benefit from a pipe on those you would have to have overlapping valve timing, which none of our model 4 stroke engines have. Regards, Karl G. Mueller kgamueller at rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info Has anyone taken the time to measure the port timing of various model airplane 2C engines? Specifically the OS140 and 160? Also, if anyone has cam profiles + index info for the YS 160 and 170 4C motors I'd be interested in that as well. John Pavlick ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 6 16:55:49 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:55:49 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] BVM Props Message-ID: <400370.56593.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What the heck happened to them? Another good company gone.. Chris ? ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Thu Nov 6 17:08:31 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:08:31 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info References: <2996.79210.qm@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <0C8DE3C0049140FEA3523DCAD8260E8D@ownere1e679627> Message-ID: <003601c9407d$5abaefe0$9501a8c0@GW7422> Karl, Thanks for the info. I never put a degree wheel on a model engine so this is interesting to say the least. I'm surprised that model 4-strokes have no overlap. Hmm. You'd think that something like the YS 170 could benefit from that. I don't have as much tuning experience with 2-strokes as I do with 4-strokes (motorcycles). I'd like to do some experiments with model engines now... John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl G. Mueller To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info John, Most of the 2C sport engines to be used with a muffler are timed at about 145-148? exhaust down time. On most of the .60 to 1.60 size, to get the benefit of the supercharging effect from the pipe, I increase the exhaust downtime to 155-158?, without changing the intake timing, except for some directional porting for better scavenging effect. This all will not decrease a reliable idle. I believe that the pylon engines are ported to 170? exhaust down time and on those you are not looking for a reliable low idle. Never tried any work on 4 strokes. To get any benefit from a pipe on those you would have to have overlapping valve timing, which none of our model 4 stroke engines have. Regards, Karl G. Mueller kgamueller at rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info Has anyone taken the time to measure the port timing of various model airplane 2C engines? Specifically the OS140 and 160? Also, if anyone has cam profiles + index info for the YS 160 and 170 4C motors I'd be interested in that as well. John Pavlick ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They did a super job! Richard Lindberg From: Don Ramsey Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:15 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results Sorry guys, it was in the post that I sent added. I don't know what happened. The site is http://pages.suddenlink.net/donramsey/ Don From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Don Ramsey Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:26 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Contest Results Results for the Northern New Mexico Pattern Challenge, Albuquerque, NM is posted on _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From DaveL322 at comcast.net Thu Nov 6 18:29:13 2008 From: DaveL322 at comcast.net (Dave) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 03:29:13 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info In-Reply-To: <003601c9407d$5abaefe0$9501a8c0@GW7422> References: <2996.79210.qm@web80501.mail.mud.yahoo.com><0C8DE3C0049140FEA3523DCAD8260E8D@ownere1e679627> <003601c9407d$5abaefe0$9501a8c0@GW7422> Message-ID: <079FB633848341CA86C090689F606CCF@davedesktop> Dug up some old notes .. Engine Exhaust Intake OS140RX 154 124 KB150 147 107 ST2300 150 116 Bully145 150 106 Webra160 142 107 Mintor140 140 120 Mintor170 150 110 If anyone has access to volumes of engine data generated by Clarence Lee, crankcase timing for many of the above engines could probably be found. In general ? - high exhaust port timing increase power and raises RPM of peak torque. - high exhaust timing allows bigger power increases from a pipe. - longer overlap allows more effect from the pipe (power, pipe jump, midrange mixture, etc). - given constant RPM and no other changes (compression, glow plug, etc), lowering the exhaust timing will ?want? the pipe shortened. - lengthening the pipe (within a range) will increase torque, and lean the midrange mixture. And there is so much more to get the ?perfect? tune on a 2C. Most pattern timed engines will have a ?window? (blowdown?) in which exhaust, intake, and crankcase ports are all open ? during that window, the pipe can be very powerful as a negative pressure pulse from the pipe will not only scavenge exhaust gases from the combustion chamber, but pull fresh fuel/air mixture the length of the intake path. I never documented blowdown, but I think it was typically around 10 degrees. Regards, Dave Lockhart DaveL322 at comcast.net _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Pavlick Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 9:06 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info Karl, Thanks for the info. I never put a degree wheel on a model engine so this is interesting to say the least. I'm surprised that model 4-strokes have no overlap. Hmm. You'd think that something like the YS 170 could benefit from that. I don't have as much tuning experience with 2-strokes as I do with 4-strokes (motorcycles). I'd like to do some experiments with model engines now... John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl G. Mueller To: jpavlick at idseng.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info John, Most of the 2C sport engines to be used with a muffler are timed at about 145-148? exhaust down time. On most of the .60 to 1.60 size, to get the benefit of the supercharging effect from the pipe, I increase the exhaust downtime to 155-158?, without changing the intake timing, except for some directional porting for better scavenging effect. This all will not decrease a reliable idle. I believe that the pylon engines are ported to 170? exhaust down time and on those you are not looking for a reliable low idle. Never tried any work on 4 strokes. To get any benefit from a pipe on those you would have to have overlapping valve timing, which none of our model 4 stroke engines have. Regards, Karl G. Mueller kgamueller at rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:02 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Engine tuning info Has anyone taken the time to measure the port timing of various model airplane 2C engines? Specifically the OS140 and 160? Also, if anyone has cam profiles + index info for the YS 160 and 170 4C motors I'd be interested in that as well. John Pavlick _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Fri Nov 7 08:25:01 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 17:25:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2009 AMA rules proposal survey Message-ID: As you all know the new AMA rule cycle begins January 1. Although a two year process, basic rules change proposals must be submitted by Sept. 30 of year 1.In the past a poll has been deveolped to give all pattern flyers who are AMA membersan oppourtunity to present ideas, gauge interest and prepare them as possible formalrules change proposals. I have volunteered to help generate this year's survey but time is shortand I need your help. We need to cast as broad a net as possible to ensure we contactas many active pattern flyers as possible. Posting a thread on RCU, Flying Giants, RC Groups plusnotices in Model Aviation and the K-Factor come to mind. Once we allow a reasonable time for the suggestions to be submitted they will be reviewed, the poll prepared and published in the K-Factor as well as nsrca.us website. At that point they will be voted on. We willuse the results to deveolp the proposals. The ideas we need aren't "the snap/spin rules stink; yes or no"? or "somethings gotta be done about such and such"! The submissions must be in the form of a choice of specific alternatives to a rule, or a situation the member wouldlike to see improved or changed. Will you help me? Now is your chance to help make pattern better!I am attaching the most recent survey from 2005. The formal rules change procedure is here http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/rulebooks/0708General.pdfbeginning on page 4 of this AMA document.Thank you!John L. Konneker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John Fuqua _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 11:22 AM To: Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2009 AMA rules proposal survey As you all know the new AMA rule cycle begins January 1. Although a two year process, basic rules change proposals must be submitted by Sept. 30 of year 1. In the past a poll has been deveolped to give all pattern flyers who are AMA members an oppourtunity to present ideas, gauge interest and prepare them as possible formal rules change proposals. I have volunteered to help generate this year's survey but time is short and I need your help. We need to cast as broad a net as possible to ensure we contact as many active pattern flyers as possible. Posting a thread on RCU, Flying Giants, RC Groups plus notices in Model Aviation and the K-Factor come to mind. Once we allow a reasonable time for the suggestions to be submitted they will be reviewed, the poll prepared and published in the K-Factor as well as nsrca.us website. At that point they will be voted on. We will use the results to deveolp the proposals. The ideas we need aren't "the snap/spin rules stink; yes or no"? or "somethings gotta be done about such and such"! The submissions must be in the form of a choice of specific alternatives to a rule, or a situation the member would like to see improved or changed. Will you help me? Now is your chance to help make pattern better! I am attaching the most recent survey from 2005. The formal rules change procedure is here http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/rulebooks/0708General.pdf beginning on page 4 of this AMA document. Thank you! John L. Konneker -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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JLK From: mkmsg at cox.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design. >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft. This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics. Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." Mike Moritko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patternlady at tds.net Sat Nov 8 15:49:04 2008 From: patternlady at tds.net (Linda A. Carnes) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:49:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter In-Reply-To: References: <044901c94108$70dee750$7101a8c0@ltm733c31251f5> Message-ID: 2 meter! Will this be electric or Glow? Sincerely Linda A. Carnes _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:16 PM To: Discussion List Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hey Mike, You got a link? They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor. I'll get in touch with them. Thanks! JLK _____ From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design. >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48" Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft. This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics. Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." Mike Moritko -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 15:49:49 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:49:49 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <435194.91990.qm@web33003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sent it to you a few months back John.. You may have already contacted them. I talked to Chris Hinson there already. Chris ? ? ? --- On Sat, 11/8/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter To: "Discussion List" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 4:15 PM #yiv1705934870 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1705934870 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hey Mike, You got a link? They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor. I'll get in touch with them. Thanks! JLK From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass .EC_shape {} #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered #yiv1705934870 {} #yiv1705934870 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 {} Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design.? >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft.? This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics.? Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." ? Mike Moritko ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 8 15:50:24 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:50:24 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <524880.73867.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Linda, I was told it will be both. Chris ? ? ? --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Linda A. Carnes wrote: From: Linda A. Carnes Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 4:44 PM ?2 meter! Will this be electric or Glow? ? Sincerely Linda A. Carnes ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:16 PM To: Discussion List Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter ? Hey Mike, You got a link? They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor. I'll get in touch with them. Thanks! JLK From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design.? >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft.? This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics.? Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." ? 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I talked to Chris Hinson there already. Chris --- On Sat, 11/8/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 MeterTo: "Discussion List" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 4:15 PM Hey Mike,You got a link?They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor.I'll get in touch with them.Thanks!JLK From: mkmsg at cox.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design. >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft. This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics. Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." Mike Moritko _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From patternlady at tds.net Sat Nov 8 15:55:51 2008 From: patternlady at tds.net (Linda A. Carnes) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 00:55:51 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter In-Reply-To: <524880.73867.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <524880.73867.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40B1958EBDB7411FBEDA1533125C1AAE@linda> I will have Sweet Dreams Tonight! OOH Santa, Please Remember Me, I have been good. _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:46 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Linda, I was told it will be both. Chris --- On Sat, 11/8/08, Linda A. Carnes wrote: From: Linda A. Carnes Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Saturday, November 8, 2008, 4:44 PM 2 meter! Will this be electric or Glow? Sincerely Linda A. Carnes _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 7:16 PM To: Discussion List Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hey Mike, You got a link? They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor. I'll get in touch with them. Thanks! JLK _____ From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design. >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48" Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft. This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics. Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." 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JLK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design. >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft. This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics. Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." 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JLK From: mkmsg at cox.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:40:51 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter The website is: www.extremeflightrc.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hey Mike,You got a link?They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor.I'll get in touch with them.Thanks!JLK From: mkmsg at cox.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design. >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft. This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics. Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." Mike Moritko _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkmsg at cox.net Sun Nov 9 08:43:26 2008 From: mkmsg at cox.net (MKMSG) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 17:43:26 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter References: <044901c94108$70dee750$7101a8c0@ltm733c31251f5> <464F9867A29940A9A75436E55BB316D6@usera1262bf031> Message-ID: <31E1D81FB34A4988ADF420B34995C9F5@usera1262bf031> Chris Hinson is the owner/operator of Extreme Flight. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Thanks Mike! Does anyone know who the principal is...who I should address any correspondence to? Thanks again! JLK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:40:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter The website is: www.extremeflightrc.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hey Mike, You got a link? They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor. I'll get in touch with them. Thanks! 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Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Thanks Mike!Does anyone know who the principal is...who I should address any correspondence to?Thanks again!JLK From: mkmsg at cox.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:40:51 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter The website is: www.extremeflightrc.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hey Mike,You got a link?They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor.I'll get in touch with them.Thanks!JLK From: mkmsg at cox.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design. >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft. This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics. Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." Mike Moritko _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 9 10:18:58 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:18:58 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <352670.30841.qm@web33004.mail.mud.yahoo.com> This is the email I got back from Chris in August.. Hi Chris, good to hear from you.? The 2 meter Vanquish is in the final stages of development and will be able to be powered by glow or electric power plants.? I do not have my final cost on the aircraft yet but I am shooting for $600-$700 price range depending on what hardware we end up including (Hyde mount, carbon accessories, etc.).? I hope to have the aircraft available late 2008/early 2009 in time for the upcoming season.? I would be interested in having the plane written up in K Factor.? I should have more information for you when I return from China late September. Thanks and Best Regards, Chris Hinson Extreme Flight R/C Chris ? ? ? --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Randy Forbus wrote: From: Randy Forbus Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 9:54 AM #yiv749971682 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv749971682 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} When is it going to be released From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:38:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Chris Hinson is the owner/operator of Extreme Flight.? ? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Thanks Mike! Does anyone know who the principal is...who I should address any correspondence to? Thanks again! JLK From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:40:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding-right:0px;padding-left:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-top:0px;} #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass BODY.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} The website is:? www.extremeflightrc.com ? Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hey Mike, You got a link? They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor. I'll get in touch with them. Thanks! JLK From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass .EC_shape {} #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered #yiv749971682 {} #yiv749971682 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 {} Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design.? >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft.? This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics.? Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." ? 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Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Thanks Mike! Does anyone know who the principal is...who I should address any correspondence to? Thanks again! JLK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:40:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter The website is: www.extremeflightrc.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hey Mike, You got a link? They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor. I'll get in touch with them. Thanks! 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I do not have my final cost on the aircraft yet but I am shooting for $600-$700 price range depending on what hardware we end up including (Hyde mount, carbon accessories, etc.). I hope to have the aircraft available late 2008/early 2009 in time for the upcoming season. I would be interested in having the plane written up in K Factor. I should have more information for you when I return from China late September. Thanks and Best Regards, Chris Hinson Extreme Flight R/C Chris --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Randy Forbus wrote: From: Randy Forbus Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 9:54 AM When is it going to be released ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 11:38:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Chris Hinson is the owner/operator of Extreme Flight. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Thanks Mike! Does anyone know who the principal is...who I should address any correspondence to? Thanks again! JLK -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 10:40:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter The website is: www.extremeflightrc.com Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hey Mike, You got a link? They sound like a natural to advertise in the K-Factor. I'll get in touch with them. Thanks! JLK ------------------------------------------------------------------ From: mkmsg at cox.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2008 17:59:28 -0600 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New Extreme Flight 2 Meter Hope I'm not repeating what's already been reported here, but looks like Extreme Flight will be marketing a 2 meter design. >From their website: "2 meter Vanquish-Due to the enormous success of our 48? Vanquish F3A model we have decided to produce a 2 meter version of this aircraft. This is not a hybrid pattern/3D aircraft, but a dedicated pattern aircraft with appropriate control surfaces sized for precision aerobatics. Our goal is to produce an affordable and competitive alternative to the multi-thousand dollar composite ships that currently dominate the competition scene." 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URL: From jlachow at hotmail.com Sun Nov 9 15:13:40 2008 From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 00:13:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few props for sale Message-ID: Bolly 16.5X12 CF Prop - $10 Bolly 17.5X12 CF Prop - $10 APCE 19X10E Electric Prop - $5 Plus Shippng. Contact off list _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119462413/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mtliprie at centurytel.net Sun Nov 9 16:20:43 2008 From: mtliprie at centurytel.net (MATT LIPRIE) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 01:20:43 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? References: <757407.50171.qm@web82107.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Anthony, I recently had a puffed Thunder Power pack. I let it cool down and the swelling decreased; not all the way, but enough. I decided not to take a chance by cycling them again so I sent them back to Thunder Power, and recieved a new pack for a discount. I believe that would be the best way to go. Regards, Matthew Liprie BTY: How are the pair of Genesis wings that I sold you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony Abdullah" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? >I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I >was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed >and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch but >not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a ziplock >bag with a little air in it. > > Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? Are > Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse the > pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. > > Thanks for any info and suggestions. > Anthony > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 4:10 PM From rcmaster199 at aol.com Sun Nov 9 19:19:12 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:19:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Color scheme software In-Reply-To: <4BC61DD609EA45F3B3CCFF5519345676@EarlPC> References: <4BC61DD609EA45F3B3CCFF5519345676@EarlPC> Message-ID: <8CB1101E530C478-328-180C@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com> Seems I recall that there was a website that allowed free downloads for designing color schemes. Anybody have a link? ? MattK -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 9 19:35:21 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:35:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Color scheme software In-Reply-To: <8CB1101E530C478-328-180C@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com> References: <4BC61DD609EA45F3B3CCFF5519345676@EarlPC> <8CB1101E530C478-328-180C@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: Knife Edge Software, maybe? RS To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 23:14:02 -0500From: rcmaster199 at aol.comSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] Color scheme software Seems I recall that there was a website that allowed free downloads for designing color schemes. Anybody have a link? MattK Instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adriancwong at earthlink.net Sun Nov 9 20:08:55 2008 From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:08:55 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? Message-ID: <27898202.1226293428132.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> To all, I don't have much experience on li-po batteries. However, I have a pack puffed up on me recently. I submerged it in salt water for a few days before I discard it in a recycle bin, is this the most correct way to treat these kind of batteries? In addition to overcharging, cells not balanced, run them too low ... etc. Is it also true that the wrapping/ packaging can be damaged - helium gas leaks out and mixed with oxygen in the air, causing it to puff up? Also, if you have to send it back to the manufacturer for exchange, how many days should I submerge it in salt water before it's safe for shipping? I assume once it is safe for shipping, there is no way the pack will give out any more lithium gas during shipping causing it to flair up again when it's open by the manufacturer? Thanks for info, Adrian -----Original Message----- >From: MATT LIPRIE >Sent: Nov 9, 2008 5:15 PM >To: aabdu at sbcglobal.net, General pattern discussion >Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? > >Anthony, I recently had a puffed Thunder Power pack. I let it cool down and >the swelling decreased; not all the way, but enough. > >I decided not to take a chance by cycling them again so I sent them back to >Thunder Power, and recieved a new pack for a discount. I believe that would >be the best way to go. > >Regards, > > > >Matthew Liprie > > >BTY: How are the pair of Genesis wings that I sold you. >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Anthony Abdullah" >To: "General pattern discussion" >Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 3:00 PM >Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Battery puffing question? > > >>I have a Zippy-H 2200mah 3S pack that I use in a small electric plane. I >>was flying it today and it the plane lost power pretty quickly. I landed >>and noticed that the battery had puffed on me. It was warm to the touch but >>not hot. I let it cool but it is still a little puffy almost like a ziplock >>bag with a little air in it. >> >> Question: Should I try to cycle the pack or just chuck it and move on? Are >> Lipos kaput once they puff or can they still be used? I didn't abuse the >> pack and it barely flew long enough to warm up. >> >> Thanks for any info and suggestions. >> Anthony >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.8.5/1759 - Release Date: 10/31/2008 >4:10 PM > >_______________________________________________ >NSRCA-discussion mailing list >NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From ejhaury at comcast.net Mon Nov 10 02:14:10 2008 From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:14:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Color scheme software In-Reply-To: <8CB1101E530C478-328-180C@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com> References: <4BC61DD609EA45F3B3CCFF5519345676@EarlPC> <8CB1101E530C478-328-180C@Webmail-mg09.sim.aol.com> Message-ID: Matt I've been using Paint.NETv3.36 that's available for free download. It's photo paint software that allows drawing & color manipulation on individual layers and is intuitive to use. I've used it to alter colors of a photo of an existing scheme and to build a scheme on photos of a base airplane. Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: rcmaster199 at aol.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 10:14 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Color scheme software Seems I recall that there was a website that allowed free downloads for designing color schemes. Anybody have a link? 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Please contact of list. ahrensw at charter.net -- Bill Ahrens From jlachow at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 07:54:39 2008 From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 16:54:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers In-Reply-To: <20081110104522.2RB6N.1070702.root@mp18> References: <20081102131156.XRWL9.749355.root@mp19> <20081110104522.2RB6N.1070702.root@mp18> Message-ID: I also have a pair for sale. $10 plus shipping takes them both.> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:22 -0800> From: ahrensw at charter.net> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers> > I have (2) NMP Lithium Ion Battery chargers for sale. Both in good shape.> Make offer. > Please contact of list.> > ahrensw at charter.net> --> Bill Ahrens> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119463819/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgalligan at att.net Mon Nov 10 08:11:16 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:11:16 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers In-Reply-To: References: <20081102131156.XRWL9.749355.root@mp19><20081110104522.2RB6N.1070702.root@mp18> Message-ID: Joe, I'll take them. Contact me off list at wgalligan at att.net Wayne Galligan Apex Construction Project Manager 936-443-0928 cell 206-203-4118 e-fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Lachowski To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers I also have a pair for sale. $10 plus shipping takes them both. > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:22 -0800 > From: ahrensw at charter.net > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers > > I have (2) NMP Lithium Ion Battery chargers for sale. Both in good shape. > Make offer. > Please contact of list. > > ahrensw at charter.net > -- > Bill Ahrens > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life Click here ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Contact me off list at wgalligan at att.net > > > Wayne Galligan > Apex Construction > Project Manager > 936-443-0928 cell > 206-203-4118 e-fax > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Lachowski > To: NSRCA Discussion List > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers > > > I also have a pair for sale. $10 plus shipping takes them both. > > > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:22 -0800 > > From: ahrensw at charter.net > > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers > > > > I have (2) NMP Lithium Ion Battery chargers for sale. Both in good shape. > > Make offer. > > Please contact of list. > > > > ahrensw at charter.net > > -- > > Bill Ahrens > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life Click here > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jlachow at hotmail.com Mon Nov 10 12:14:35 2008 From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:14:35 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers In-Reply-To: References: <20081102131156.XRWL9.749355.root@mp19><20081110104522.2RB6N.1070702.root@mp18> Message-ID: Need your mailing address. Once I pack them, I'll let you know what the shipping is. Any preference to how they are shipped? I use FEDEX or the Postal Service. I compare prices on line and then take it from there. From: wgalligan at att.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:05:36 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers Joe, I'll take them. Contact me off list at wgalligan at att.net Wayne GalliganApex Construction Project Manager936-443-0928 cell206-203-4118 e-fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Lachowski To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers I also have a pair for sale. $10 plus shipping takes them both.> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:22 -0800> From: ahrensw at charter.net> To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers> > I have (2) NMP Lithium Ion Battery chargers for sale. Both in good shape.> Make offer. > Please contact of list.> > ahrensw at charter.net> --> Bill Ahrens> > > _______________________________________________> NSRCA-discussion mailing list> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life Click here _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgalligan at att.net Mon Nov 10 12:22:37 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 21:22:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers In-Reply-To: References: <20081102131156.XRWL9.749355.root@mp19><20081110104522.2RB6N.1070702.root@mp18> Message-ID: <1FE7EECF80B94A0D9403B79A2441E482@WaynePC> Joe, Mail to my office address: Wayne Galligan Apex Construction 11381 Meadowglen Ste H Houston Texas 77082 I can PayPal or send you a check what ever you prefer. Thanks Wayne 936-443-0928 cell 206-203-4118 e-fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Lachowski To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers Need your mailing address. Once I pack them, I'll let you know what the shipping is. Any preference to how they are shipped? I use FEDEX or the Postal Service. I compare prices on line and then take it from there. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: wgalligan at att.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:05:36 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers Joe, I'll take them. Contact me off list at wgalligan at att.net Wayne Galligan Apex Construction Project Manager 936-443-0928 cell 206-203-4118 e-fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Lachowski To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers I also have a pair for sale. $10 plus shipping takes them both. > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:22 -0800 > From: ahrensw at charter.net > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers > > I have (2) NMP Lithium Ion Battery chargers for sale. Both in good shape. > Make offer. > Please contact of list. > > ahrensw at charter.net > -- > Bill Ahrens > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life Click here ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. 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Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Galligan To: General pattern discussion Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers Joe, Mail to my office address: Wayne Galligan Apex Construction 11381 Meadowglen Ste H Houston Texas 77082 I can PayPal or send you a check what ever you prefer. Thanks Wayne 936-443-0928 cell 206-203-4118 e-fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Lachowski To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 3:08 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers Need your mailing address. Once I pack them, I'll let you know what the shipping is. Any preference to how they are shipped? I use FEDEX or the Postal Service. I compare prices on line and then take it from there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wgalligan at att.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 11:05:36 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers Joe, I'll take them. Contact me off list at wgalligan at att.net Wayne Galligan Apex Construction Project Manager 936-443-0928 cell 206-203-4118 e-fax ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Lachowski To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers I also have a pair for sale. $10 plus shipping takes them both. > Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 07:45:22 -0800 > From: ahrensw at charter.net > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] For sale NMP Lithium Ion Battery Chargers > > I have (2) NMP Lithium Ion Battery chargers for sale. Both in good shape. > Make offer. > Please contact of list. > > ahrensw at charter.net > -- > Bill Ahrens > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------------------------------------------------------------------- See how Windows? connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life Click here -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. Sign up today. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Mon Nov 10 15:19:48 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:19:48 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver Message-ID: <2E730D3E-0BB3-462F-9E2C-44A3C190704D@cox.net> I tried one of the Futaba 8-channel module/receiver combinations on 2.4 GHz with my Futaba 9ZAP transmitter. The instructions are somewhat misleading, at least they are to me . The instructions talked about pushing the button on the module and then pushing the button on the receiver. The receiver is supposed to bind to the transmitter. The question is what indication you get when the receiver is bound to the transmitter. I thought (they don't say what to look for) I'd see the green LED go from a blinking green to solid green. That didn't happen and I tried it half a dozen times. Then, on a whim, I plugged a servo into the receiver before pushing the receiver button. Low and behold, the LED turned solid green. Later in the instructions they talk about range checking and say, "After the radio link has been established (as indicated by either a solid green LED or a blinking green LED), ....." Huh?! EITHER solid or blinking green is OK? Now I'm really confused. Ron Van Putte From schale at optonline.net Mon Nov 10 15:23:08 2008 From: schale at optonline.net (Stuart Chale) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:23:08 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver In-Reply-To: <2E730D3E-0BB3-462F-9E2C-44A3C190704D@cox.net> References: <2E730D3E-0BB3-462F-9E2C-44A3C190704D@cox.net> Message-ID: <4918CEEC.4020702@optonline.net> You have to hold the receiver button for a bit before it will bind. But solid green is what you want. Blinking green means that it is detecting a 2.4 signal but not bound. Stuart C. Ron Van Putte wrote: > I tried one of the Futaba 8-channel module/receiver combinations on > 2.4 GHz with my Futaba 9ZAP transmitter. The instructions are > somewhat misleading, at least they are to me . The instructions > talked about pushing the button on the module and then pushing the > button on the receiver. The receiver is supposed to bind to the > transmitter. The question is what indication you get when the > receiver is bound to the transmitter. I thought (they don't say what > to look for) I'd see the green LED go from a blinking green to solid > green. That didn't happen and I tried it half a dozen times. Then, > on a whim, I plugged a servo into the receiver before pushing the > receiver button. Low and behold, the LED turned solid green. Later > in the instructions they talk about range checking and say, "After the > radio link has been established (as indicated by either a solid green > LED or a blinking green LED), ....." Huh?! EITHER solid or blinking > green is OK? Now I'm really confused. > > Ron Van Putte > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > From vanputte at cox.net Mon Nov 10 15:45:21 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 00:45:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver In-Reply-To: <4918CEEC.4020702@optonline.net> References: <2E730D3E-0BB3-462F-9E2C-44A3C190704D@cox.net> <4918CEEC.4020702@optonline.net> Message-ID: <030E88FB-281E-4124-B5DC-A062C97E8A8E@cox.net> That's what I figured, but the instructions say, "After the radio link has been established (as indicated by either a solid green LED or a blinking green LED). Ron VP On Nov 10, 2008, at 6:16 PM, Stuart Chale wrote: > You have to hold the receiver button for a bit before it will > bind. But solid green is what you want. Blinking green means that > it is detecting a 2.4 signal but not bound. > Stuart C. > > Ron Van Putte wrote: >> I tried one of the Futaba 8-channel module/receiver combinations >> on 2.4 GHz with my Futaba 9ZAP transmitter. The instructions are >> somewhat misleading, at least they are to me . The instructions >> talked about pushing the button on the module and then pushing the >> button on the receiver. The receiver is supposed to bind to the >> transmitter. The question is what indication you get when the >> receiver is bound to the transmitter. I thought (they don't say >> what to look for) I'd see the green LED go from a blinking green >> to solid green. That didn't happen and I tried it half a dozen >> times. Then, on a whim, I plugged a servo into the receiver >> before pushing the receiver button. Low and behold, the LED >> turned solid green. Later in the instructions they talk about >> range checking and say, "After the radio link has been established >> (as indicated by either a solid green LED or a blinking green >> LED), ....." Huh?! EITHER solid or blinking green is OK? Now >> I'm really confused. >> >> Ron Van Putte >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jpavlick at idseng.com Mon Nov 10 18:17:01 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:17:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Message-ID: <009501c943ab$1f5c48a0$9501a8c0@GW7422> I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? 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Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: NSRCA Discussion Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? >> >> >> >> John Pavlick >> http://www.idseng.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcosky at comcast.net Mon Nov 10 18:35:39 2008 From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:35:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Message-ID: <20081111033538.9CED9114D1@bridi.netexpress.com> John If you need a can of k2r let me know. I have a couple left from a case I bought for some guys in my club. Pete Cosky Sent from my Windows Mobile device -----Original Message----- From: MKMSG Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair John: Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago. Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off. A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: NSRCA Discussion Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear [The entire original message is not included] From rickwallace45 at gmail.com Mon Nov 10 18:40:59 2008 From: rickwallace45 at gmail.com (richard wallace) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 03:40:59 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair In-Reply-To: <009501c943ab$1f5c48a0$9501a8c0@GW7422> References: <009501c943ab$1f5c48a0$9501a8c0@GW7422> Message-ID: Hey, John - They (used to at least) sell K2R here in NJ... Why not come and fly foamies w/ us this weekend, and pick some up? Rick On Mon, Nov 10, 2008 at 10:10 PM, John Pavlick wrote: > I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear > plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. > I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking > it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at koolsoft.com Mon Nov 10 18:51:41 2008 From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. 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URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Tue Nov 11 03:44:57 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:44:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <554303AA61B74DBDAC5B75429CB3C482@jaysdesktop> Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair John: Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago. Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off. A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: NSRCA Discussion Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlachow at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 03:53:15 2008 From: jlachow at hotmail.com (Joe Lachowski) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:53:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] A few props for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bolly Props and NMP Chargers are sold. 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URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Tue Nov 11 04:13:21 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:13:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair In-Reply-To: <554303AA61B74DBDAC5B75429CB3C482@jaysdesktop> References: <554303AA61B74DBDAC5B75429CB3C482@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. I couldn't find it anywhere else... JLK From: lightfoot at sc.rr.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. Jay Marshall -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSGSent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PMTo: General pattern discussionSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair John: Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago. Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off. A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: NSRCA Discussion Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? John Pavlickhttp://www.idseng.com _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at toprudder.com Tue Nov 11 04:14:12 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 13:14:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver In-Reply-To: <2E730D3E-0BB3-462F-9E2C-44A3C190704D@cox.net> Message-ID: <945589.53806.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> With the 8ch module, there is also a switch that must be flipped depending on the receiver type. It should be in the 7ch position for 6 or 7 channel receivers, and 8ch for everything else. It will not bind if it is not in the correct position. When you press the button on the receiver, you must hold it down for a few seconds. Bob R. Ron Van Putte wrote: I tried one of the Futaba 8-channel module/receiver combinations on 2.4 GHz with my Futaba 9ZAP transmitter. The instructions are somewhat misleading, at least they are to me . The instructions talked about pushing the button on the module and then pushing the button on the receiver. The receiver is supposed to bind to the transmitter. The question is what indication you get when the receiver is bound to the transmitter. I thought (they don't say what to look for) I'd see the green LED go from a blinking green to solid green. That didn't happen and I tried it half a dozen times. Then, on a whim, I plugged a servo into the receiver before pushing the receiver button. Low and behold, the LED turned solid green. Later in the instructions they talk about range checking and say, "After the radio link has been established (as indicated by either a solid green LED or a blinking green LED), ....." Huh?! EITHER solid or blinking green is OK? Now I'm really confused. Ron Van Putte _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Tue Nov 11 05:16:05 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:16:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver In-Reply-To: <945589.53806.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <945589.53806.qm@web1106.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The module came as a package with the 8-channel receiver and the switch on the 8-channel receiver was in the correct position. It's interesting to note that there's another switch on the module which has two positions: "General" and "France". I always knew there was something different about the French. BTW, The receiver LED always came on solid after the first time and I did a range check while holding down the "range check" button. I think the instructions said to look for 30-50 paces. I walked out 80 paces and never lost contact with the airplane. Whoever wrote the instructions must have awfully large paces. Ron VP On Nov 11, 2008, at 7:09 AM, Bob Richards wrote: > With the 8ch module, there is also a switch that must be flipped > depending on the receiver type. It should be in the 7ch position > for 6 or 7 channel receivers, and 8ch for everything else. It will > not bind if it is not in the correct position. > > When you press the button on the receiver, you must hold it down > for a few seconds. > > Bob R. > > > Ron Van Putte wrote: > I tried one of the Futaba 8-channel module/receiver combinations on > 2.4 GHz with my Futaba 9ZAP transmitter. The instructions are > somewhat misleading, at least they are to me . The instructions > talked about pushing the button on the module and then pushing the > button on the receiver. The receiver is supposed to bind to the > transmitter. The question is what indication you get when the > receiver is bound to the transmitter. I thought (they don't say what > to look for) I'd see the green LED go from a blinking green to solid > green. That didn't happen and I tried it half a dozen times. Then, > on a whim, I plugged a servo into the receiver before pushing the > receiver button. Low and behold, the LED turned solid green. Later > in the instructions they talk about range checking and say, "After > the radio link has been established (as indicated by either a solid > green LED or a blinking green LED), ....." Huh?! EITHER solid or > blinking green is OK? Now I'm really confused. > > Ron Van Putte > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From jpavlick at idseng.com Tue Nov 11 05:19:27 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:19:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <87483.55468.qm@web80506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK, looks like K2R is the magic potion. Oddly enough this stuff is made right in Derby, CT (I'm in New Milford, CT). I'll try to find it at the hardware store today (Ace and True Value are suppposed to carry the stuff). If they don't have it,?I found a place that?sells it online. Thanks everyone - if this works as well as you say I should be able to buy some time for this airplane after all. Of course just how much time that is depends on the pilot... ? John Pavlick --- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Konneker wrote: From: John Konneker Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair To: "Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:08 PM #yiv970774449 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv970774449 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. I couldn't find it anywhere else... JLK From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} _filtered #yiv970774449 {} #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 {} Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. ? Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair ? John:? Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago.? Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off.? A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. ? Mike? ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: NSRCA Discussion Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair ? I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of?wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can?do or is it hopeless? ? John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Tue Nov 11 05:21:41 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:21:41 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fwd: Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver References: Message-ID: Oops! I should have written, "The module came as a package with the 8-channel receiver and the switch on the module was in the correct position". Ron VP Begin forwarded message: > The module came as a package with the 8-channel receiver and the > switch on the 8-channel receiver was in the correct position. It's > interesting to note that there's another switch on the module which > has two positions: "General" and "France". I always knew there was > something different about the French. > > BTW, The receiver LED always came on solid after the first time and > I did a range check while holding down the "range check" button. I > think the instructions said to look for 30-50 paces. I walked out > 80 paces and never lost contact with the airplane. Whoever wrote > the instructions must have awfully large paces. > > Ron VP From moleski at canisius.edu Tue Nov 11 05:31:26 2008 From: moleski at canisius.edu (Martin X. Moleski, SJ) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:31:26 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] TEST In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49199640.6040109@canisius.edu> Robert L. Beaubien wrote: > Test! I don't seem to be getting these messages At the bottom of every message sent to the list is a link that will let you check your registration and your user preferences: > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion You can also see the archive there. Chances are good that if you stop seeing your own messages, some spam filter is at work. We have had a few glitches with the list, but my impression is that 97% of problems reported are from systems over which Tom Simes, our generous and genial host, has no control. Marty From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 05:52:32 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:52:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] TEST In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <444154.48587.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They are coming through on this end. Kinda like Spam.. Got 6 total Chris ? ? ? --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Robert L. Beaubien wrote: From: Robert L. Beaubien Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] TEST To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:42 AM Test!?? I don't seem to be getting these messages ? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shinden1 at cox.net Tue Nov 11 06:36:47 2008 From: shinden1 at cox.net (shinden1 at cox.net) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:36:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair In-Reply-To: <87483.55468.qm@web80506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081111103157.5NPET.167763.imail@eastrmwml30> John I`ve have used k2R in the past but, But I find the best way is use a good amount of Acetone soaked on a rag scrub the parts you need cleaned real good leaving some Acetone soaked in the wood , Then, fill the nose with " floor dry "Or "kitty litter" floor dry is better ,,, you can buy a bag at the local Car Parts store then place a heat lamp over the area ,,,even make a box or cover ,, to trap the heat and over night it will be dry as a bone, it`s kinda messy But it`s the best way I`ve found so far and, it will draw the oil out completely Bryan ---- John Pavlick wrote: > > OK, looks like K2R is the magic potion. Oddly enough this stuff is made right in Derby, CT (I'm in New Milford, CT). I'll try to find it at the hardware store today (Ace and True Value are suppposed to carry the stuff). If they don't have it,?I found a place that?sells it online. Thanks everyone - if this works as well as you say I should be able to buy some time for this airplane after all. Of course just how much time that is depends on the pilot... > ? > John Pavlick > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Konneker wrote: > > From: John Konneker > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > To: "Discussion List" > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:08 PM > > > > > #yiv970774449 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv970774449 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. > I couldn't find it anywhere else... > JLK > > > > > > From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 > {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} > _filtered #yiv970774449 {} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > {} > > > > Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. > ? > Jay Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > ? > > John:? Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago.? Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off.? A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. > > ? > > Mike? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Pavlick > > To: NSRCA Discussion > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > ? > > I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of?wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can?do or is it hopeless? > > ? > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From simestd at netexpress.com Tue Nov 11 07:01:20 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:01:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] TEST In-Reply-To: <444154.48587.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <444154.48587.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20081111065740.3db08408.simestd@netexpress.com> On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:48:34 -0800 (PST) krishlan fitzsimmons wrote: > They are coming through on this end. Kinda like Spam.. > Got 6 total Spam? Nah, I was thinking that Rob had really, Really, REALLY good BBQ! Wish I was a bit closer to Phoenix :) Rob, I've looked over your list settings for -dist6, -dist7 and -discussion lists and they look fine. Nothing is stuck in the outgoing queue and I show 10 messages successfully delivered to mail2.koolsoftmail.com for you so far today. Everything I can see indicates the mail is making it to your server. If you want to take it offline and compare server logs, I'll be glad to help track it down further with message ids and such. As Marty [man, he's quick on the draw :)] mentioned, I would look at either your spam controls or any e-mail filtering rules you may have on your account or reader. As an aside, if anyone is wondering whether their posts are making it to the various lists, you can always double check by looking in the archives for the various lists: http://lists.nsrca.org/ The archives are updated whenever a message goes through so they are basically real time. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From jpavlick at idseng.com Tue Nov 11 10:48:42 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:48:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair In-Reply-To: <20081111103157.5NPET.167763.imail@eastrmwml30> Message-ID: <468654.5047.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Cool - that sounds good too. Since?I own a few Harleys I always have plenty of "Speedy-Dry" (floor dry) on hand! ? I?actually found some K2R at the local hardware store today so now?I have 2 methods that might help me save this airplane. :) ? John Pavlick --- On Tue, 11/11/08, shinden1 at cox.net wrote: From: shinden1 at cox.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair To: jpavlick at idseng.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:31 PM John I`ve have used k2R in the past but, But I find the best way is use a good amount of Acetone soaked on a rag scrub the parts you need cleaned real good leaving some Acetone soaked in the wood , Then, fill the nose with " floor dry "Or "kitty litter" floor dry is better ,,, you can buy a bag at the local Car Parts store then place a heat lamp over the area ,,,even make a box or cover ,, to trap the heat and over night it will be dry as a bone, it`s kinda messy But it`s the best way I`ve found so far and, it will draw the oil out completely Bryan ---- John Pavlick wrote: > > OK, looks like K2R is the magic potion. Oddly enough this stuff is made right in Derby, CT (I'm in New Milford, CT). I'll try to find it at the hardware store today (Ace and True Value are suppposed to carry the stuff). If they don't have it,?I found a place that?sells it online. Thanks everyone - if this works as well as you say I should be able to buy some time for this airplane after all. Of course just how much time that is depends on the pilot... > ? > John Pavlick > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Konneker wrote: > > From: John Konneker > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > To: "Discussion List" > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:08 PM > > > > > #yiv970774449 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv970774449 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. > I couldn't find it anywhere else... > JLK > > > > > > From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 > {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} > _filtered #yiv970774449 {} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > {} > > > > Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. > ? > Jay Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > ? > > John:? Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago.? Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off.? A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. > > ? > > Mike? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Pavlick > > To: NSRCA Discussion > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > ? > > I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of?wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can?do or is it hopeless? > > ? > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at toprudder.com Tue Nov 11 18:24:47 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:24:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <941793.76299.qm@web1114.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Ron Van Putte wrote: It's interesting to note that there's another switch on the module which has two positions: "General" and "France". I always knew there was something different about the French. Leave it in the "general" position. When it is switched to the "French" position, it hops to fewer frequencies. IIRC, it will hop to 36 frequencies in the general position, but hops to about 24 (?) when in the french position. Their frequency allocation in the 2.4g range is slightly different than ours. I walked out 80 paces and never lost contact with the airplane. Whoever wrote the instructions must have awfully large paces. Old farts don't walk, they shuffle. :-) I'm only up to about 65 paces, myself. Bob R. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at koolsoft.com Tue Nov 11 18:32:23 2008 From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:32:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] TEST In-Reply-To: <444154.48587.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <444154.48587.qm@web33002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Weird. I didn't receive any of those announcements, nor did I receive my own test. I started receiving messages at 5:41 this morning. Sorry for the dupes, guys. I will check the archives before resending in the future. John, Yes I did receive your registration. Thanx guys. - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:49 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] TEST They are coming through on this end. Kinda like Spam.. Got 6 total Chris --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Robert L. Beaubien wrote: From: Robert L. Beaubien Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] TEST To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:42 AM Test! I don't seem to be getting these messages - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Tue Nov 11 18:59:36 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 03:59:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver In-Reply-To: <941793.76299.qm@web1114.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <941793.76299.qm@web1114.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB12921F5B3EDD-79C-1841@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Hey watch it. ? I thot old farts stunk?? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Richards <bob at toprudder.com> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver Ron Van Putte <vanputte at cox.net> wrote: It's interesting to note that there's another switch on the module which has two positions: "General" and "France". I always knew there was something different about the French. Leave it in the "general" position. When it is switched to the "French" position, it hops to fewer frequencies. IIRC, it will hop to 36 frequencies in the general position, but hops to about 24 (?) ?when in the french position. Their frequency allocation in the 2.4g range is slightly different than?ours. I walked out 80?paces and never lost contact with the airplane. Whoever wrote the instructions must have awfully large paces. ? Old farts don't walk, they shuffle. :-)? I'm only up to about 65 paces, myself. ? Bob R. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From verne at twmi.rr.com Tue Nov 11 20:09:40 2008 From: verne at twmi.rr.com (Verne Koester) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:09:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Bolly F3A Long Message-ID: <8EC92FC7FBA348D7B3492CFA9A069165@Vinnie> Looking for a set of Bolly F3A Long landing gear. If you have a set you're willing to part with, please contact me off-list. Thanks, Verne Koester -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 11 20:54:38 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:54:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Bolly F3A Long In-Reply-To: <8EC92FC7FBA348D7B3492CFA9A069165@Vinnie> Message-ID: <358725.20107.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think we're all looking for those Verne. LOL Last I heard from Randy at Aero Products was that they were a few weeks away. And that was when I started the Element build thread.. I haven't checked recently. Let us know if you find any. Thanks Chris ? ? ? --- On Tue, 11/11/08, Verne Koester wrote: From: Verne Koester Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Bolly F3A Long To: "NSRCA" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 9:09 PM Looking for a set of Bolly F3A Long landing gear. If you have a set you're willing to part with, please contact me off-list. ? Thanks, Verne Koester_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at toprudder.com Wed Nov 12 06:25:17 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:25:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver In-Reply-To: <8CB12921F5B3EDD-79C-1841@mblk-d37.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <81784.26537.qm@web1116.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Maybe that is what he meant by?"range check". ;-) --- On Wed, 11/12/08, rcmaster199 at aol.com wrote: From: rcmaster199 at aol.com Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 1:58 AM Hey watch it. ? I thot old farts stunk?? -----Original Message----- From: Bob Richards To: General pattern discussion Sent: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver Ron Van Putte wrote: It's interesting to note that there's another switch on the module which has two positions: "General" and "France". I always knew there was something different about the French. Leave it in the "general" position. When it is switched to the "French" position, it hops to fewer frequencies. IIRC, it will hop to 36 frequencies in the general position, but hops to about 24 (?) ?when in the french position. Their frequency allocation in the 2.4g range is slightly different than?ours. I walked out 80?paces and never lost contact with the airplane. Whoever wrote the instructions must have awfully large paces. ? Old farts don't walk, they shuffle. :-)? I'm only up to about 65 paces, myself. ? Bob R. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion Instant access to the latest & most popular FREE games while you browse with the Games Toolbar - Download Now! _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From aeromodelismo1 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 07:34:53 2008 From: aeromodelismo1 at yahoo.com (Alfredo Betancourt) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:34:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver In-Reply-To: <030E88FB-281E-4124-B5DC-A062C97E8A8E@cox.net> Message-ID: <197814.82873.qm@web51306.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Ron: Solid green means radio binded. Blinking green means radio binded AND failsafe activated. Regards, Alfredo --- On Mon, 11/10/08, Ron Van Putte wrote: > From: Ron Van Putte > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba 8-channel 2.4 GHz Module/Receiver > To: "General pattern discussion" > Date: Monday, November 10, 2008, 6:39 PM > That's what I figured, but the instructions say, > "After the radio link has been established (as > indicated by either a solid green LED or a blinking green > LED). > > Ron VP > > On Nov 10, 2008, at 6:16 PM, Stuart Chale wrote: > > > You have to hold the receiver button for a bit before > it will bind. But solid green is what you want. Blinking > green means that it is detecting a 2.4 signal but not bound. > > Stuart C. > > > > Ron Van Putte wrote: > >> I tried one of the Futaba 8-channel > module/receiver combinations on 2.4 GHz with my Futaba 9ZAP > transmitter. The instructions are somewhat misleading, at > least they are to me . The instructions talked about > pushing the button on the module and then pushing the button > on the receiver. The receiver is supposed to bind to the > transmitter. The question is what indication you get when > the receiver is bound to the transmitter. I thought (they > don't say what to look for) I'd see the green LED go > from a blinking green to solid green. That didn't > happen and I tried it half a dozen times. Then, on a whim, > I plugged a servo into the receiver before pushing the > receiver button. Low and behold, the LED turned solid > green. Later in the instructions they talk about range > checking and say, "After the radio link has been > established (as indicated by either a solid green LED or a > blinking green LED), ....." Huh?! EITHER solid or > blinking green is OK? Now I'm really confused. > >> > >> Ron Van Putte > >> _______________________________________________ > >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list > >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > >> > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > > > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From deanfunk1 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 12 08:30:18 2008 From: deanfunk1 at yahoo.com (Dean Funk) Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:30:18 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Looking for a 3 1/4" TT Backplate Message-ID: <266575.3917.qm@web32002.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hey all, I am looking for a 3 1/4" TruTurn Spinner regular backplate, not the light version. Please contact me off list if you can help.... thanks, Dean From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Thu Nov 13 03:23:42 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 12:23:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern Message-ID: <83649096C0C14BD182CFF6CC92058C9D@jaysdesktop> Check out woot.com. One day deal for Sandisk Clip 2GB MP3 Player/FM Radio/Voice Recorder for $16. I got one once before and it is the size of two postage stamps and ? in thick. I?m going to modify mine it so that I can remotely (switch) tell it to play the next voice track for pattern practice. Jay Marshall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnferrell at earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 11:04:25 2008 From: johnferrell at earthlink.net (John Ferrell) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:04:25 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair References: <468654.5047.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Full strength Clorox Bleach works best. It destroys the oil, works fast. It also will remove oil from everything that will rust! John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion ; shinden1 at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Cool - that sounds good too. Since I own a few Harleys I always have plenty of "Speedy-Dry" (floor dry) on hand! I actually found some K2R at the local hardware store today so now I have 2 methods that might help me save this airplane. :) John Pavlick --- On Tue, 11/11/08, shinden1 at cox.net wrote: From: shinden1 at cox.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair To: jpavlick at idseng.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:31 PM John I`ve have used k2R in the past but, But I find the best way is use a good amount of Acetone soaked on a rag scrub the parts you need cleaned real good leaving some Acetone soaked in the wood , Then, fill the nose with " floor dry "Or "kitty litter" floor dry is better ,,, you can buy a bag at the local Car Parts store then place a heat lamp over the area ,,,even make a box or cover ,, to trap the heat and over night it will be dry as a bone, it`s kinda messy But it`s the best way I`ve found so far and, it will draw the oil out completely Bryan ---- John Pavlick wrote: > > OK, looks like K2R is the magic potion. Oddly enough this stuff is made right in Derby, CT (I'm in New Milford, CT). I'll try to find it at the hardware store today (Ace and True Value are suppposed to carry the stuff). If they don't have it, I found a place that sells it online. Thanks everyone - if this works as well as you say I should be able to buy some time for this airplane after all. Of course just how much time that is depends on the pilot... > > John Pavlick > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Konneker wrote: > > From: John Konneker > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > To: "Discussion List" > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:08 PM > > > > > #yiv970774449 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv970774449 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. > I couldn't find it anywhere else... > JLK > > > > > > From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 > {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} > _filtered #yiv970774449 {} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > {} > > > > Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. > > Jay Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > John: Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago. Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off. A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Pavlick > > To: NSRCA Discussion > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? > > > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burkehttp://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion ; shinden1 at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Cool - that sounds good too. Since I own a few Harleys I always have plenty of "Speedy-Dry" (floor dry) on hand! I actually found some K2R at the local hardware store today so now I have 2 methods that might help me save this airplane. :) John Pavlick--- On Tue, 11/11/08, shinden1 at cox.net wrote: From: shinden1 at cox.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repairTo: jpavlick at idseng.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:31 PMJohn I`ve have used k2R in the past but, But I find the best way is use a good amount of Acetone soaked on a rag scrub the parts you need cleaned real good leaving some Acetone soaked in the wood , Then, fill the nose with " floor dry "Or "kitty litter" floor dry is better ,,, you can buy a bag at the local Car Parts store then place a heat lamp over the area ,,,even make a box or cover ,, to trap the heat and over night it will be dry as a bone, it`s kinda messy But it`s the best way I`ve found so far and, it will draw the oil out completely Bryan ---- John Pavlick wrote: > > OK, looks like K2R is the magic potion. Oddly enough this stuff is made right in Derby, CT (I'm in New Milford, CT). I'll try to find it at the hardware store today (Ace and True Value are suppposed to carry the stuff). If they don't have it, I found a place that sells it online. Thanks everyone - if this works as well as you say I should be able to buy some time for this airplane after all. Of course just how much time that is depends on the pilot... > > John Pavlick > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Konneker wrote: > > From: John Konneker > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > To: "Discussion List" > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:08 PM > > > > > #yiv970774449 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv970774449 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. > I couldn't find it anywhere else... > JLK > > > > > > From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 > {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} > _filtered #yiv970774449 {} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > {} > > > > Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. > > Jay Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > John: Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago. Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off. A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Pavlick > > To: NSRCA Discussion > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? > > > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ojfrets at earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 12:02:56 2008 From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO FRETS) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:02:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern In-Reply-To: <83649096C0C14BD182CFF6CC92058C9D@jaysdesktop> References: <83649096C0C14BD182CFF6CC92058C9D@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: Jay: That sounds good. Would you post the modification. Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:23 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern Check out woot.com. One day deal for Sandisk Clip 2GB MP3 Player/FM Radio/Voice Recorder for $16. I got one once before and it is the size of two postage stamps and ? in thick. I?m going to modify mine it so that I can remotely (switch) tell it to play the next voice track for pattern practice. Jay Marshall From 1shinden at att.net Thu Nov 13 14:11:57 2008 From: 1shinden at att.net (Mike Howard) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:11:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Planes for sale Message-ID: <461243.35047.qm@web81103.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Listing for a friend, Impact kit for sale, and Impulse kit for sale.? Contact me off list with an offer + shipping and I'll let him know. 1shinden at att.net . Mike Howard Ph. 417-881-1511 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vanputte at cox.net Thu Nov 13 14:27:32 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:27:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014 2.4 GHz Receiver Message-ID: <1B425FD6-02A9-4A44-B0EB-AC216071E96E@cox.net> I have a customer who just bought a Futaba 10C 2.4 GHz Spread Spectrum system from me. He didn't really want the R6014 receiver which comes with the package, so I gave him two Futaba R617 receivers instead (the R6014 costs twice what the R617 costs). Since I already have a Futaba 10C with the R6014 receiver, I ended up with a Futaba R6014 receiver that I don't really need. I will sell the R6014 for $160, delivered to any address within the continental U.S. If anyone is interested, please contact me off list. Thanks. Ron Van Putte From johnferrell at earthlink.net Thu Nov 13 16:13:55 2008 From: johnferrell at earthlink.net (John Ferrell) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 01:13:55 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair References: <468654.5047.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Just slop it on! It will remove oil from wherever it touches OR the vapor reaches. I recommend it be done outside and you must consider the effects of getting everything wet. Oil up a piece of scrap balsa and then soak it in Clorox. After it dries you will have removed all oil. John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List ; jpavlick at idseng.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Hey John, What's the technique you use with Clorox? Do you apply it and then just mop it up? Thanks! JLK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: johnferrell at earthlink.net To: jpavlick at idseng.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:04:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Full strength Clorox Bleach works best. It destroys the oil, works fast. It also will remove oil from everything that will rust! John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion ; shinden1 at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Cool - that sounds good too. Since I own a few Harleys I always have plenty of "Speedy-Dry" (floor dry) on hand! I actually found some K2R at the local hardware store today so now I have 2 methods that might help me save this airplane. :) John Pavlick --- On Tue, 11/11/08, shinden1 at cox.net wrote: From: shinden1 at cox.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair To: jpavlick at idseng.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:31 PM John I`ve have used k2R in the past but, But I find the best way is use a good amount of Acetone soaked on a rag scrub the parts you need cleaned real good leaving some Acetone soaked in the wood , Then, fill the nose with " floor dry "Or "kitty litter" floor dry is better ,,, you can buy a bag at the local Car Parts store then place a heat lamp over the area ,,,even make a box or cover ,, to trap the heat and over night it will be dry as a bone, it`s kinda messy But it`s the best way I`ve found so far and, it will draw the oil out completely Bryan ---- John Pavlick wrote: > > OK, looks like K2R is the magic potion. Oddly enough this stuff is made right in Derby, CT (I'm in New Milford, CT). I'll try to find it at the hardware store today (Ace and True Value are suppposed to carry the stuff). If they don't have it, I found a place that sells it online. Thanks everyone - if this works as well as you say I should be able to buy some time for this airplane after all. Of course just how much time that is depends on the pilot... > > John Pavlick > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Konneker wrote: > > From: John Konneker > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > To: "Discussion List" > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:08 PM > > > > > #yiv970774449 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv970774449 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. > I couldn't find it anywhere else... > JLK > > > > > > From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 > {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} > _filtered #yiv970774449 {} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > {} > > > > Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. > > Jay Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > John: Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago. Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off. A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Pavlick > > To: NSRCA Discussion > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? > > > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From precisionaero at hotmail.com Thu Nov 13 17:26:56 2008 From: precisionaero at hotmail.com (Michael Cohen) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 02:26:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair In-Reply-To: References: <468654.5047.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: OK, what about oil that got in between fiberglass and foam. I have an Eclipse where that happened. Even though it is a backup plane, I would like to salvage it, if possible. From: johnferrell at earthlink.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:14:20 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Just slop it on! It will remove oil from wherever it touches OR the vapor reaches. I recommend it be done outside and you must consider the effects of getting everything wet. Oil up a piece of scrap balsa and then soak it in Clorox. After it dries you will have removed all oil. John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burkehttp://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List ; jpavlick at idseng.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Hey John,What's the technique you use with Clorox?Do you apply it and then just mop it up?Thanks!JLK From: johnferrell at earthlink.netTo: jpavlick at idseng.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:04:53 -0500Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Full strength Clorox Bleach works best. It destroys the oil, works fast. It also will remove oil from everything that will rust! John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burkehttp://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion ; shinden1 at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Cool - that sounds good too. Since I own a few Harleys I always have plenty of "Speedy-Dry" (floor dry) on hand! I actually found some K2R at the local hardware store today so now I have 2 methods that might help me save this airplane. :) John Pavlick--- On Tue, 11/11/08, shinden1 at cox.net wrote: From: shinden1 at cox.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repairTo: jpavlick at idseng.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:31 PMJohn I`ve have used k2R in the past but, But I find the best way is use a good amount of Acetone soaked on a rag scrub the parts you need cleaned real good leaving some Acetone soaked in the wood , Then, fill the nose with " floor dry "Or "kitty litter" floor dry is better ,,, you can buy a bag at the local Car Parts store then place a heat lamp over the area ,,,even make a box or cover ,, to trap the heat and over night it will be dry as a bone, it`s kinda messy But it`s the best way I`ve found so far and, it will draw the oil out completely Bryan ---- John Pavlick wrote: > > OK, looks like K2R is the magic potion. Oddly enough this stuff is made right in Derby, CT (I'm in New Milford, CT). I'll try to find it at the hardware store today (Ace and True Value are suppposed to carry the stuff). If they don't have it, I found a place that sells it online. Thanks everyone - if this works as well as you say I should be able to buy some time for this airplane after all. Of course just how much time that is depends on the pilot... > > John Pavlick > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Konneker wrote: > > From: John Konneker > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > To: "Discussion List" > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:08 PM > > > > > #yiv970774449 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv970774449 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. > I couldn't find it anywhere else... > JLK > > > > > > From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 > {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} > _filtered #yiv970774449 {} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > {} > > > > Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. > > Jay Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > John: Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago. Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off. A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Pavlick > > To: NSRCA Discussion > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. Is there anything I can do or is it hopeless? > > > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: 2008 Tangerine registration.doc Type: application/msword Size: 20480 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ojfrets at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 06:30:17 2008 From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO FRETS) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:30:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2926B1085F55465B98DCDCCB5D7D3BF5@OrlandoPC> While you guys are doing that, if you plan to fly either SPA or BPA, go to the Senior Pattern website (http://www.seniorpattern.com/contests.htm) and pre-register for the particular class you plan to fly. Thank you and thanks Jason. Orlando Frets CD for SPA/BPA event -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of JShulman Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:21 AM To: NSRCA Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration Hi All, For those of you coming to the Tangerine, if you would, could you fill out this form and email it back to CD Steve Homenda. He is trying to get things figured out as soon as possible. Thanks. Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 8:32 AM From JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net Fri Nov 14 07:25:40 2008 From: JAStebbins at worldnet.att.net (Jerry Stebbins) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:25:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET Message-ID: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From derekkoopowitz at gmail.com Fri Nov 14 07:34:08 2008 From: derekkoopowitz at gmail.com (Derek Koopowitz) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:34:08 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET In-Reply-To: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> References: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> Message-ID: <3454543c0811140834v5bb232em28cbd2ad66eac553@mail.gmail.com> Jerry, Glad to hear that you are doing well and I'm hopeful that you'll be back to normal very soon. -Derek On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Jerry Stebbins wrote: > If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double > heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage > Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. > Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. > Will update things as I find stuff out. > Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. > Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. > Jerry > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maureendunphy at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 14 07:36:05 2008 From: maureendunphy at bellsouth.net (maureendunphy at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:36:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET In-Reply-To: <3454543c0811140834v5bb232em28cbd2ad66eac553@mail.gmail.com> References: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> <3454543c0811140834v5bb232em28cbd2ad66eac553@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <111420081636.4874.491DA8F2000AFD290000130A22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC7C89C0A070D0D01080C9D0C0E9F@att.net> We are shocked to hear your news, Jerry, but are glad you are getting better. Hang in there. Mike and Maureen -- PAC R/C Hobbies 215 South Lowry Street Smyrna, TN 37167 615-220-0655 www.pac-rc.com -------------- Original message from "Derek Koopowitz" : -------------- Jerry, Glad to hear that you are doing well and I'm hopeful that you'll be back to normal very soon. -Derek On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Jerry Stebbins wrote: If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. 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Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 4930 bytes Desc: patriotic_left_03.gif URL: From drmikedds at sbcglobal.net Fri Nov 14 07:40:52 2008 From: drmikedds at sbcglobal.net (michael s harrison) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:40:52 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET In-Reply-To: <111420081636.4874.491DA8F2000AFD290000130A22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC7C89C0A070D0D01080C9D0C0E9F@att.net> References: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> <3454543c0811140834v5bb232em28cbd2ad66eac553@mail.gmail.com> <111420081636.4874.491DA8F2000AFD290000130A22243429029B0A02D2089B9A019C04040A0DBFC7C89C0A070D0D01080C9D0C0E9F@att.net> Message-ID: <001201c94677$9a2f6660$ce8e3320$@net> Jerry , I am glad you are doing well. I understand all those things happening. Get well soon. Mike From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of maureendunphy at bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:36 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET We are shocked to hear your news, Jerry, but are glad you are getting better. Hang in there. Mike and Maureen -- PAC R/C Hobbies 215 South Lowry Street Smyrna, TN 37167 615-220-0655 www.pac-rc.com -------------- Original message from "Derek Koopowitz" : -------------- Jerry, Glad to hear that you are doing well and I'm hopeful that you'll be back to normal very soon. -Derek On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Jerry Stebbins wrote: If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adriancwong at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 08:15:57 2008 From: adriancwong at earthlink.net (adriancwong at earthlink.net) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:15:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET Message-ID: <20064092.1226682955587.JavaMail.root@elwamui-wigeon.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Jerry, Wishing you a speedy recovery. Adrian -----Original Message----- >From: Jerry Stebbins >Sent: Nov 14, 2008 8:14 AM >To: Discussion -NSRCA >Cc: Discussion list -SPA >Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET > >If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage >Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. >Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. >Will update things as I find stuff out. >Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. >Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. >Jerry From jonlowe at aol.com Fri Nov 14 09:56:45 2008 From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 18:56:45 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB14A1CF12F599-744-1291@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> Jason. Didn't see anything about SPA/BPA. Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: JShulman To: NSRCA Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 9:21 am Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration Hi All, For those of you coming to the Tangerine, if you would, could you fill out this form and email it back to CD Steve Homenda. He is trying to get things figured out as soon as possible. Thanks. Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 8:32 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From vanputte at cox.net Fri Nov 14 10:03:41 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:03:41 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration In-Reply-To: <2926B1085F55465B98DCDCCB5D7D3BF5@OrlandoPC> References: <2926B1085F55465B98DCDCCB5D7D3BF5@OrlandoPC> Message-ID: <5BC19259-9A64-4A74-80D8-9266CE1B426C@cox.net> I went there and didn't see a way to sign up for the BPA contest, just the SPA one. Ron VP On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:30 AM, ORLANDO FRETS wrote: > While you guys are doing that, if you plan to fly either SPA or > BPA, go to > the Senior Pattern website (http://www.seniorpattern.com/ > contests.htm) and > pre-register for the particular class you plan to fly. > Thank you and thanks Jason. > > > Orlando Frets > CD for SPA/BPA event > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of > JShulman > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:21 AM > To: NSRCA > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration > > Hi All, > > For those of you coming to the Tangerine, if you would, could you > fill out > this form and email it back to CD Steve Homenda. He is trying to > get things > figured out as soon as possible. Thanks. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date: > 11/14/2008 > 8:32 AM > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From ojfrets at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 10:24:30 2008 From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO FRETS) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:24:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration In-Reply-To: <5BC19259-9A64-4A74-80D8-9266CE1B426C@cox.net> References: <2926B1085F55465B98DCDCCB5D7D3BF5@OrlandoPC> <5BC19259-9A64-4A74-80D8-9266CE1B426C@cox.net> Message-ID: <710CDB6F038D4E67B4157EDDFC91F0CE@OrlandoPC> If signing up for BPA, fill out as much as possible and under the comment section put in BPA and the class you plan to fly. Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ron Van Putte Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 2:03 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration I went there and didn't see a way to sign up for the BPA contest, just the SPA one. Ron VP On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:30 AM, ORLANDO FRETS wrote: > While you guys are doing that, if you plan to fly either SPA or BPA, > go to the Senior Pattern website (http://www.seniorpattern.com/ > contests.htm) and > pre-register for the particular class you plan to fly. > Thank you and thanks Jason. > > > Orlando Frets > CD for SPA/BPA event > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of > JShulman > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:21 AM > To: NSRCA > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration > > Hi All, > > For those of you coming to the Tangerine, if you would, could you fill > out this form and email it back to CD Steve Homenda. He is trying to > get things figured out as soon as possible. Thanks. > > Regards, > Jason > www.jasonshulman.com > www.shulmanaviation.com > www.composite-arf.com > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date: > 11/14/2008 > 8:32 AM > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From ojfrets at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 10:25:17 2008 From: ojfrets at earthlink.net (ORLANDO FRETS) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:25:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration In-Reply-To: <8CB14A1CF12F599-744-1291@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB14A1CF12F599-744-1291@WEBMAIL-DF18.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Jon: If signing up for BPA, fill out as much as possible and under the comment section put in BPA and the class you plan to fly. Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jon Lowe Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 1:56 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration Jason. Didn't see anything about SPA/BPA. Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: JShulman To: NSRCA Sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 9:21 am Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Tangerine pre-registration Hi All, For those of you coming to the Tangerine, if you would, could you fill out this form and email it back to CD Steve Homenda. He is trying to get things figured out as soon as possible. Thanks. Regards, Jason www.jasonshulman.com www.shulmanaviation.com www.composite-arf.com No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.3/1787 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 8:32 AM _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From ed_alt at hotmail.com Fri Nov 14 10:34:27 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:34:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Precision Aero Composites References: <2926B1085F55465B98DCDCCB5D7D3BF5@OrlandoPC><5BC19259-9A64-4A74-80D8-9266CE1B426C@cox.net> <710CDB6F038D4E67B4157EDDFC91F0CE@OrlandoPC> Message-ID: I am looking for a phone number to contact PAC, but the website doesn't seem to have it. Can anyone provide please? Thanks Ed From CHV69 at aol.com Fri Nov 14 10:57:05 2008 From: CHV69 at aol.com (CHV69 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 19:57:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Precision Aero Composites Message-ID: Phone 615-220-0655 Fax 615-220-0637 **************Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news & more!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212774565x1200812037/aol?redir=htt p://toolbar.aol.com/moviefone/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000001) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billglaze at bellsouth.net Fri Nov 14 11:16:06 2008 From: billglaze at bellsouth.net (billglaze) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:16:06 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET References: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> Message-ID: <006e01c94695$d1c0e180$6101a8c0@glazep4xpcst> Jerry: I too am joining the "Best Wishes" and "Get Well Quick" crowd and echoing their sentiments--sure glad it is working out. The great thing was in your getting it done before some dire circumstances literally forced you into doing so. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Stebbins To: Discussion -NSRCA Cc: Discussion list -SPA Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaqfly at prodigy.net Fri Nov 14 12:42:15 2008 From: jaqfly at prodigy.net (Jim Quinn) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:42:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET Message-ID: <933592.24779.qm@web83306.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Hi Jerry, Gest of luck with a speedy and complete recovery. Here in upstate NY we have two seasons, the flying season and the building season. My brother, Bill, lives in Huntsville and always gives me grief for living in the cold northeast. At least it gives us a lot of time to build. Enjoy your recovery with some special building projects. You owe it to yourself. Jim Quinn ________________________________ From: Jerry Stebbins To: Discussion -NSRCA Cc: Discussion list -SPA Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:14:09 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around?mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff? out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From 1shinden at att.net Fri Nov 14 12:58:43 2008 From: 1shinden at att.net (Mike Howard) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:58:43 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Planes for sale Message-ID: <120226.6596.qm@web81102.mail.mud.yahoo.com> OK I asked him and he said he'd take 300 for the Impact and 600 for the Impulse + shipping of course. Mike at 1shinden at att.net ? ________________________________ From: Mike Howard <1shinden at att.net> To: nsrca-discussion Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:11:54 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Planes for sale Listing for a friend, Impact kit for sale, and Impulse kit for sale.? Contact me off list with an offer + shipping and I'll let him know. 1shinden at att.net . Mike Howard Ph. 417-881-1511 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnferrell at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 12:59:03 2008 From: johnferrell at earthlink.net (John Ferrell) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 21:59:03 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET References: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> Message-ID: I will be including you in my prayers. John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Stebbins To: Discussion -NSRCA Cc: Discussion list -SPA Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnferrell at earthlink.net Fri Nov 14 13:04:47 2008 From: johnferrell at earthlink.net (John Ferrell) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 22:04:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair References: <468654.5047.qm@web80508.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <7ED144F0BA07403A8A9AC76CD3A70B43@xppro> If the oil got in there I would expect that the Clorox could also get in there, it might take a little time. You might have to get a little creative about reattaching glass to foam. The problem does not have you beat until you give up! John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Cohen To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair OK, what about oil that got in between fiberglass and foam. I have an Eclipse where that happened. Even though it is a backup plane, I would like to salvage it, if possible. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: johnferrell at earthlink.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:14:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Just slop it on! It will remove oil from wherever it touches OR the vapor reaches. I recommend it be done outside and you must consider the effects of getting everything wet. Oil up a piece of scrap balsa and then soak it in Clorox. After it dries you will have removed all oil. John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: John Konneker To: Discussion List ; jpavlick at idseng.com Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Hey John, What's the technique you use with Clorox? Do you apply it and then just mop it up? Thanks! JLK ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: johnferrell at earthlink.net To: jpavlick at idseng.com; nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 15:04:53 -0500 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Full strength Clorox Bleach works best. It destroys the oil, works fast. It also will remove oil from everything that will rust! John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion ; shinden1 at cox.net Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair Cool - that sounds good too. Since I own a few Harleys I always have plenty of "Speedy-Dry" (floor dry) on hand! I actually found some K2R at the local hardware store today so now I have 2 methods that might help me save this airplane. :) John Pavlick --- On Tue, 11/11/08, shinden1 at cox.net wrote: From: shinden1 at cox.net Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair To: jpavlick at idseng.com, "General pattern discussion" Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 3:31 PM John I`ve have used k2R in the past but, But I find the best way is use a good amount of Acetone soaked on a rag scrub the parts you need cleaned real good leaving some Acetone soaked in the wood , Then, fill the nose with " floor dry "Or "kitty litter" floor dry is better ,,, you can buy a bag at the local Car Parts store then place a heat lamp over the area ,,,even make a box or cover ,, to trap the heat and over night it will be dry as a bone, it`s kinda messy But it`s the best way I`ve found so far and, it will draw the oil out completely Bryan ---- John Pavlick wrote: > > OK, looks like K2R is the magic potion. Oddly enough this stuff is made right in Derby, CT (I'm in New Milford, CT). I'll try to find it at the hardware store today (Ace and True Value are suppposed to carry the stuff). If they don't have it, I found a place that sells it online. Thanks everyone - if this works as well as you say I should be able to buy some time for this airplane after all. Of course just how much time that is depends on the pilot... > > John Pavlick > > --- On Tue, 11/11/08, John Konneker wrote: > > From: John Konneker > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > To: "Discussion List" > Date: Tuesday, November 11, 2008, 1:08 PM > > > > > #yiv970774449 .hmmessage P > { > margin:0px;padding:0px;} > #yiv970774449 { > font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} > > I too have bought K2R in the past couple months at Ace Hardware. > I couldn't find it anywhere else... > JLK > > > > > > From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 07:40:04 -0500 > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal > {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:link, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass a:visited, #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed > {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass p > {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 > {font-family:Arial;color:navy;} > _filtered #yiv970774449 {} > #yiv970774449 .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 > {} > > > > Saw some K2 AT Ace Hardware last month. Google it. > > Jay Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:23 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > John: Don't know if they still sell it, but K2R spot remover worked great when I used it years ago. Put it on, let it dry, and vacuum it off. A couple of applications might be needed, but it did work. > > > > Mike > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Pavlick > > To: NSRCA Discussion > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:10 PM > > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Fuel soaked wood repair > > > > I'm trying to repair one of my friend's airplanes (broken landing gear plate) and unfortunately it's pretty well soaked with fuel in the tank area. I've never had much luck trying to get fuel out of wood other than soaking it with CA. 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URL: From ejhaury at comcast.net Fri Nov 14 14:00:41 2008 From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury) Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 23:00:41 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET In-Reply-To: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> References: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> Message-ID: <5BED4574066B43CCBF59CBACF2BAB1FE@EarlPC> Jerry Best wishes - sounds like you're doing well (I know people who think that they're healthy that can't walk 45min a day). Try one of the little indoor heli's for stick exercise in the house - they fly pretty well and beats the heck out of TV. Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Stebbins To: Discussion -NSRCA Cc: Discussion list -SPA Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I told him that he should know better than live in a hurricane-prone area. He said a few words I didn't even know he knew. Ron VP On Nov 14, 2008, at 3:42 PM, Jim Quinn wrote: > Hi Jerry, > > Gest of luck with a speedy and complete recovery. Here in upstate > NY we have two seasons, the flying season and the building season. > My brother, Bill, lives in Huntsville and always gives me grief for > living in the cold northeast. At least it gives us a lot of time to > build. > > Enjoy your recovery with some special building projects. You owe it > to yourself. > > Jim Quinn > > From: Jerry Stebbins > To: Discussion -NSRCA > Cc: Discussion list -SPA > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:14:09 AM > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET > > If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a > double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage > Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a > day. > Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all > goes well. > Will update things as I find stuff out. > Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always > build. > Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. > Jerry > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com Fri Nov 14 15:21:24 2008 From: KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com (Ken Thompson) Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 00:21:24 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET References: <00bf01c94675$a3551570$4f01a8c0@jerryscomputer> Message-ID: <007a01c946b7$db3fc9c0$0200a8c0@kencopepere> Extremely happy things turned out for the best, prayers your way!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Stebbins To: Discussion -NSRCA Cc: Discussion list -SPA Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We will keep you in our prayers! Tony Stillman, President Radio South, Inc. 139 Altama Connector, Box 322 Brunswick, GA 31525 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Stebbins Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:14 AM To: Discussion -NSRCA Cc: Discussion list -SPA Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The walking is the solution to the problem. Don't quit once you think you are feeling better. That exercise is the most efficient preventative to a myriad of additional threats just waiting for us more mature types. Keep up the good work, Georgie ----- Original Message ----- From: billglaze To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET Jerry: I too am joining the "Best Wishes" and "Get Well Quick" crowd and echoing their sentiments--sure glad it is working out. The great thing was in your getting it done before some dire circumstances literally forced you into doing so. Bill Glaze ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Stebbins To: Discussion -NSRCA Cc: Discussion list -SPA Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 11:14 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OUT OF POCKET If anyone has been lookin for me--I am now on the second week of a double heart bypass. Happened quickly with no heart damage Am doing better than expected-already have me walking 45 minutes a day. Should be able to get mobile--drive- around mid December if all goes well. Will update things as I find stuff out. Probably will not be able to fly until February-guess I can always build. Stuff happens when you get in the "older than dirt" class. Jerry ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.6 million users fighting spam. 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Mike at 1shinden at att.net ? ________________________________ From: Mike Howard <1shinden at att.net> To: nsrca-discussion Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 5:11:54 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Planes for sale Listing for a friend, Impact kit for sale, and Impulse kit for sale.? Contact me off list with an offer + shipping and I'll let him know. 1shinden at att.net . Mike Howard Ph. 417-881-1511 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billt2 at verizon.net Sun Nov 16 15:07:10 2008 From: billt2 at verizon.net (bill thompson) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 00:07:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] OS Max 160FX Message-ID: <17B0BA552062497296428B1CE1E478E5@Owner> Selling for a freind. OS Max 160FX - w/muffler--- New in box - $299.97 is Towers advertised price. He ls asking $200.00 Please contact me off list. billt2 at verizon.net Thanks Bill T. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kerlock at comcast.net Mon Nov 17 08:45:03 2008 From: kerlock at comcast.net (Mike Hester) Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:45:03 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Stuff for sale Message-ID: <6EC17E1F351F4FBDB4070DB77FF1F419@Sanity> hey guys, Just cleaning out the shop a bit and getting rid of a couple of things I don't need... First, I have a brand new in the box YS 110-S. $300 flat, shipped in the lower 48. Also I have an Extreme Flight Vanquish, ready to fly. This plane is complete minus reciever. I've taken it to the field once, and it flies great, I just never fly it. Practically brand new, not so much as a scratch. I'll also throw in 2 Vampower 4S 2200s, less than 5 cycles each. STRONG packs and lightweight. $275 if you pick it up, or I can ship it for an extra $50. I strongly prefer paypal or CC. Email me privately at kerlock at comcast.net if interested. 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Then I used a sanding drum to sand off the little section of socket that was still bonded to the inside of the plywood support donut. Took about twenty minutes. I left the donut in place and bonded the new socket to it with the new wings attached and everything lined up. I got my original last year straight from PBG. Desert Aircraft had some this year and I bought my second one from them. Radio South and some other dealers also sell PBG tubes and sockets but I don't know if they stock the 30mm as it's an unusual size. The part number I gave you is a special thin-walled, very light set designed for our purposes. Don't use anything other than a cut-off wheel to cut it as it splinters real easy which I discovered in the usual way. Hope this helps. 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URL: From deanfunk1 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 16:09:00 2008 From: deanfunk1 at yahoo.com (Dean Funk) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:09:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Black Magic V2.2 Kit for sale In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <565614.75064.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi All, I put up a Black Magic V2.2 kit with carbon canopy up for sale at http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemid=455176&electric=0 $350.00 takes it, about $100 off. It comes with a lot of extra wood parts and a partially built fuse crutch. I've just got too many Black Magics and I need funds to finish my second VF3. Please contact me off list if interested. thanks for looking :) From plachance at cox.net Tue Nov 18 16:17:22 2008 From: plachance at cox.net (Paul LaChance) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:17:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New planes In-Reply-To: <565614.75064.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <565614.75064.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <10E6419121A54FC3BA7CE5E9BDCE3B65@PaulPC> Hey all, What is everyone building for next season? I am stil working on a pair of Black Magic VF3's. Unfortunately a job change and life's obstacles have slowed me down to a stop, but hope to get back to business building soon. Paul LaChance From rdorsett1 at triad.rr.com Tue Nov 18 16:35:42 2008 From: rdorsett1 at triad.rr.com (Royce Dorsett) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:35:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Black Magic V2.2 Kit for sale References: <565614.75064.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <96AB8EBF2D104DE690935EB3AC0F6CFE@D60VCJ91> Hello Dean, I have a friend with whom may be interested in your kit.... If it is still available please let me know.... Royce Dorsett -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dean Funk" Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:08 PM To: "General pattern discussion" Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Black Magic V2.2 Kit for sale > Hi All, > > I put up a Black Magic V2.2 kit with carbon canopy up for sale at > http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemid=455176&electric=0 > > $350.00 takes it, about $100 off. > > It comes with a lot of extra wood parts and a partially built fuse crutch. > > I've just got too many Black Magics and I need funds to finish my second > VF3. > > Please contact me off list if interested. > > thanks for looking :) > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > From jpavlick at idseng.com Tue Nov 18 17:52:42 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 02:52:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New planes References: <565614.75064.qm@web32003.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <10E6419121A54FC3BA7CE5E9BDCE3B65@PaulPC> Message-ID: <002601c949f1$cf5fae30$9501a8c0@GW7422> I'm building 2 Black Magic VF-3s right now. These are going together much faster than my V2 did. I should have all the sheeting done next week before Thanksgiving. If all goes as planned I should be able to frame up the fuselages over the Holiday weekend. Just try to do a little bit every night. You'd be surprised how much you can accomplish in a week. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul LaChance" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 8:17 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] New planes > Hey all, > > What is everyone building for next season? I am stil working on a pair of > Black Magic VF3's. Unfortunately a job change and life's obstacles have > slowed me down to a stop, but hope to get back to business building soon. > > Paul LaChance > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From mkmsg at cox.net Tue Nov 18 20:14:35 2008 From: mkmsg at cox.net (MKMSG) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:14:35 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised References: Message-ID: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Tue Nov 18 20:36:30 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:36:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> Message-ID: <483308.5755.qm@web33005.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for letting us know Mike.. I canceled my card just now!! Chris ? ? ? --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 9:14 PM #yiv1271549907 .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;} #yiv1271549907 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;} If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account.? FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards.? I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com.??? Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card.? You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. ? Mike ?_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tkeithblack at gmail.com Tue Nov 18 21:22:15 2008 From: tkeithblack at gmail.com (Keith Black) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:22:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> Message-ID: <390D24B354FF4E5AB2FCE4CBBE0D531A@OfficePC> Very interesting!!! Mastercard called me last weekend asking about suspicious charges. One was from a home improvement store. I couldn't recall any charge at Lowe's or Home Depot so I asked which store, turns out it was a store in France! Three was a Napster charge on my card too. I purchased a charger form FMA about a month ago. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: MKMSG To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:14 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jerry at buddengineering.com Tue Nov 18 21:27:30 2008 From: jerry at buddengineering.com (Budd Engineering) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 06:27:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <390D24B354FF4E5AB2FCE4CBBE0D531A@OfficePC> References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <390D24B354FF4E5AB2FCE4CBBE0D531A@OfficePC> Message-ID: <7925E003-C000-4DBD-9E1E-BDF45A5E5F9F@buddengineering.com> They got me too, a charge from a London hotel, several charges from the Netherlands, and a 99 cent charge on iTunes! My fraud check call was Sunday night, cancelled the card on the spot. Jerry Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:22 PM, "Keith Black" wrote: > Very interesting!!! Mastercard called me last weekend asking about > suspicious charges. One was from a home improvement store. I > couldn't recall any charge at Lowe's or Home Depot so I asked which > store, turns out it was a store in France! Three was a Napster > charge on my card too. > > I purchased a charger form FMA about a month ago. > > Keith > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MKMSG > To: NSRCA Discussion List > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:14 PM > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised > > If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct > using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database > has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is > making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the > electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my > VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the > card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line > with FMA recently. > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dunnaway at hbcomm.net Wed Nov 19 02:43:41 2008 From: dunnaway at hbcomm.net (Joe Dunnaway) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 11:43:41 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <7925E003-C000-4DBD-9E1E-BDF45A5E5F9F@buddengineering.com> References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <390D24B354FF4E5AB2FCE4CBBE0D531A@OfficePC> <7925E003-C000-4DBD-9E1E-BDF45A5E5F9F@buddengineering.com> Message-ID: <4923FBE9.2020901@hbcomm.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 03:11:20 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:11:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <4923FBE9.2020901@hbcomm.net> References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <390D24B354FF4E5AB2FCE4CBBE0D531A@OfficePC> <7925E003-C000-4DBD-9E1E-BDF45A5E5F9F@buddengineering.com> <4923FBE9.2020901@hbcomm.net> Message-ID: My last order with them was posted last week. Just checked the card and nothing unusual...so far. Thanks for the heads up everyone! JLK Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:43:37 -0600From: dunnaway at hbcomm.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database CompromisedThey got me too. Hope they have it fixed. I just ordered from them again with my new card 2 days ago.Joe Budd Engineering wrote: They got me too, a charge from a London hotel, several charges from the Netherlands, and a 99 cent charge on iTunes! My fraud check call was Sunday night, cancelled the card on the spot. JerrySent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:22 PM, "Keith Black" wrote: Very interesting!!! Mastercard called me last weekend asking about suspicious charges. One was from a home improvement store. I couldn't recall any charge at Lowe's or Home Depot so I asked which store, turns out it was a store in France! Three was a Napster charge on my card too. I purchased a charger form FMA about a month ago. Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: MKMSG To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:14 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________NSRCA-discussion mailing listNSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.orghttp://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at inweldcorp.com Wed Nov 19 03:44:20 2008 From: ron at inweldcorp.com (ron at inweldcorp.com) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 12:44:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> Message-ID: <8BABBC8D15034C0E99BE731C50E29CCB@DELL5150> They got me too. Ron -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:14 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 04:28:23 2008 From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:28:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> Message-ID: Wow! My credit card company emailed me about suspicious activity two weeks ago. The first charge to Napster is to test the card the second was an online sporting goods store. Got my new card last week. Anthony From: mkmsg at cox.netTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:14:30 -0600Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike _________________________________________________________________ Color coding for safety: Windows Live Hotmail alerts you to suspicious email. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_safety_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian_w_young at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 04:34:37 2008 From: brian_w_young at yahoo.com (brian young) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:34:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <390D24B354FF4E5AB2FCE4CBBE0D531A@OfficePC> <7925E003-C000-4DBD-9E1E-BDF45A5E5F9F@buddengineering.com> Message-ID: <668373.54862.qm@web35202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> These fraud calls are great. I got notified about 15 minutes after it happened and they stopped my card. ________________________________ From: Budd Engineering To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:26:42 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised They got me too, a charge from a London hotel, several charges from the Netherlands, and a 99 cent charge on iTunes! My fraud check call was Sunday night, cancelled the card on the spot. Jerry Sent from my iPhone On Nov 18, 2008, at 10:22 PM, "Keith Black" wrote: Very interesting!!!? Mastercard called me last weekend asking about suspicious charges. One was from a home improvement store. I couldn't recall any charge at Lowe's or Home Depot so I asked which store, turns out it was a store in France! Three was a Napster charge on my card too. ? I purchased a charger form FMA about a?month ago. ? Keith ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: MKMSG To: NSRCA Discussion List Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:14 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account.? FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards.? I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com.??? Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card.? You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. ? Mike ? ________________________________ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Wed Nov 19 04:42:31 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:42:31 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> Message-ID: <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop> This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mups1953 at yahoo.com Wed Nov 19 04:52:08 2008 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 13:52:08 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> Message-ID: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ?Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM #yiv132201810 .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT:0px;PADDING-LEFT:0px;PADDING-BOTTOM:0px;MARGIN:0px;PADDING-TOP:0px;} #yiv132201810 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Verdana;} If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account.? FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards.? I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com.??? Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card.? You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. ? Mike ?_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com Wed Nov 19 06:55:57 2008 From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:55:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop> References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: <000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that "mandates" certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: . Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) . Truncation . Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) . Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain't following the standard...... Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Wed Nov 19 07:04:14 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:04:14 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> Message-ID: <78CCF603C3324CCC82A131A11359ABDB@jaysdesktop> Agree. I suspect that they, and many others, are using home-brewed or out-dated software that doesn't meet the standards. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that "mandates" certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: . Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) . Truncation . Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) . Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain't following the standard...... Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that "mandates" certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: . Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) . Truncation . Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) . Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain't following the standard...... Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at koolsoft.com Wed Nov 19 07:20:56 2008 From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:20:56 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop><000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> Message-ID: Its pretty stupid. There is no reason to store credit card numbers at all. I write software for online stores and such and the number is processed, and never saved. Only the transaction ID and the last 4 digits of the card for the customer benefit for future reference. Every year I have to fill out one of those PCI survey's for each of my customers that take credit cards and answer N/A to most of the questions because they deal with storage of card numbers. Why on earth would any company want to take on that kind of risk? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:16 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised I'll make you a bet that 95+% of small businesses don't know about much less follow the standards. The bad guys hit my account too but the bank fraud control unit called to alert me and resolved it with a new account number. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that "mandates" certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: * Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) * Truncation * Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) * Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain't following the standard.............. Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 07:26:12 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:26:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop><000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> Message-ID: Robert, I am often troubled by some of our suppliers. I've had them read my card and 3 digit security number back to me before I have given it to them. They've kept it from my last order! Needless to say I always express my extreme dissatisfaction. I'm sure it's like water off a duck's back. About the only thing we can do is "vote with our feet" and not do business with these types. JLK Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:20:52 -0700From: rob at koolsoft.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Its pretty stupid. There is no reason to store credit card numbers at all. I write software for online stores and such and the number is processed, and never saved. Only the transaction ID and the last 4 digits of the card for the customer benefit for future reference. Every year I have to fill out one of those PCI survey's for each of my customers that take credit cards and answer N/A to most of the questions because they deal with storage of card numbers. Why on earth would any company want to take on that kind of risk? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave BurtonSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:16 AMTo: 'General pattern discussion'Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised I?ll make you a bet that 95+% of small businesses don?t know about much less follow the standards. The bad guys hit my account too but the bank fraud control unit called to alert me and resolved it with a new account number. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene MauriceSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AMTo: 'General pattern discussion'Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that ?mandates? certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: ? Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) ? Truncation ? Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) ? Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain?t following the standard????.. Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay MarshallSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AMTo: 'General pattern discussion'Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use ?one time? credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSGSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AMTo: NSRCA Discussion ListSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjm767driver at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 07:34:30 2008 From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris Moon) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:34:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop><000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 07:40:36 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:40:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop><000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> Message-ID: They SHOULD be able to hold on to them. It's the crooks that are the problem. RS From: jlkonn at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgDate: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:26:09 -0600Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Robert,I am often troubled by some of our suppliers.I've had them read my card and 3 digit security number back to me before I have given it to them.They've kept it from my last order! Needless to say I always express my extreme dissatisfaction.I'm sure it's like water off a duck's back. About the only thing we can do is "vote with ourfeet" and not do business with these types.JLK Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:20:52 -0700From: rob at koolsoft.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Its pretty stupid. There is no reason to store credit card numbers at all. I write software for online stores and such and the number is processed, and never saved. Only the transaction ID and the last 4 digits of the card for the customer benefit for future reference. Every year I have to fill out one of those PCI survey's for each of my customers that take credit cards and answer N/A to most of the questions because they deal with storage of card numbers. Why on earth would any company want to take on that kind of risk? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave BurtonSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:16 AMTo: 'General pattern discussion'Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised I?ll make you a bet that 95+% of small businesses don?t know about much less follow the standards. The bad guys hit my account too but the bank fraud control unit called to alert me and resolved it with a new account number. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene MauriceSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AMTo: 'General pattern discussion'Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that ?mandates? certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: ? Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) ? Truncation ? Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) ? Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain?t following the standard????.. Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay MarshallSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AMTo: 'General pattern discussion'Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use ?one time? credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message-----From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSGSent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AMTo: NSRCA Discussion ListSubject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. 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URL: From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com Wed Nov 19 07:53:57 2008 From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:53:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop> <000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> Message-ID: <003001c94a67$6c9375e0$45ba61a0$@maurice@sgmservice.com> Whoever they are processing the payments thru, Payment Processor, Payment Clearinghouse, etc., SHOULD be informing them of the standard and have them verify that they meet the standard. If found in violation the CC companies could go back thru the food chain, Clearinghouse - Processor - Merchant, to recoup any losses. In this day, any business storing a clients CC data, or any other secure personal data, on an internal system is asking for trouble. Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:16 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised I'll make you a bet that 95+% of small businesses don't know about much less follow the standards. The bad guys hit my account too but the bank fraud control unit called to alert me and resolved it with a new account number. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that "mandates" certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: . Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) . Truncation . Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) . Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain't following the standard...... Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com Wed Nov 19 07:56:21 2008 From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:56:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop><000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> Message-ID: <003501c94a67$c246da40$46d48ec0$@maurice@sgmservice.com> If you have a vendor who you know is storing your CC data, ask them to delete it!!! It's your identity that's at risk! Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:26 AM To: Discussion List Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Robert, I am often troubled by some of our suppliers. I've had them read my card and 3 digit security number back to me before I have given it to them. They've kept it from my last order! Needless to say I always express my extreme dissatisfaction. I'm sure it's like water off a duck's back. About the only thing we can do is "vote with our feet" and not do business with these types. JLK _____ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:20:52 -0700 From: rob at koolsoft.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Its pretty stupid. There is no reason to store credit card numbers at all. I write software for online stores and such and the number is processed, and never saved. Only the transaction ID and the last 4 digits of the card for the customer benefit for future reference. Every year I have to fill out one of those PCI survey's for each of my customers that take credit cards and answer N/A to most of the questions because they deal with storage of card numbers. Why on earth would any company want to take on that kind of risk? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:16 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised I'll make you a bet that 95+% of small businesses don't know about much less follow the standards. The bad guys hit my account too but the bank fraud control unit called to alert me and resolved it with a new account number. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that "mandates" certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: . Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) . Truncation . Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) . Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain't following the standard...... Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com Wed Nov 19 07:59:19 2008 From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:59:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031> <81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop><000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com> <008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> Message-ID: <003a01c94a68$2c729210$8557b630$@maurice@sgmservice.com> ONLY if they have taken the appropriate precautions, per the PCI Data Security Standards. Again, those security precautions are for YOUR protection. It's your identity!!! Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Richard Strickland Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:41 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised They SHOULD be able to hold on to them. It's the crooks that are the problem. RS _____ From: jlkonn at hotmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:26:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Robert, I am often troubled by some of our suppliers. I've had them read my card and 3 digit security number back to me before I have given it to them. They've kept it from my last order! Needless to say I always express my extreme dissatisfaction. I'm sure it's like water off a duck's back. About the only thing we can do is "vote with our feet" and not do business with these types. JLK _____ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:20:52 -0700 From: rob at koolsoft.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Its pretty stupid. There is no reason to store credit card numbers at all. I write software for online stores and such and the number is processed, and never saved. Only the transaction ID and the last 4 digits of the card for the customer benefit for future reference. Every year I have to fill out one of those PCI survey's for each of my customers that take credit cards and answer N/A to most of the questions because they deal with storage of card numbers. Why on earth would any company want to take on that kind of risk? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:16 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised I'll make you a bet that 95+% of small businesses don't know about much less follow the standards. The bad guys hit my account too but the bank fraud control unit called to alert me and resolved it with a new account number. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that "mandates" certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: . Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) . Truncation . Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) . Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain't following the standard...... Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike _____ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From simestd at netexpress.com Wed Nov 19 08:17:22 2008 From: simestd at netexpress.com (Tom Simes) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:17:22 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Reminder for AOL members on NSRCA lists Message-ID: <20081119081719.1da4c640.simestd@netexpress.com> Hello all, This is a polite reminder to those from AOL who are subscribed to NSRCA lists. Please be careful with the SPAM reporting function built into the AOL interface. This morning someone reported at least 10 recent list e-mails from FMA Database thread as being SPAM via AOL's feedback mechanism. I can only presume that the person probably meant to delete the mail but accidently reported it as SPAM to AOL. This doesn't affect non-AOL members of the list, but if it happens often enough, AOL will ban receipt of list messages to their members. As a side note for the whole group, if you have any questions or problems with the NSRCA lists, please don't hesitate to drop me a note. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From pamrich47 at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 09:27:02 2008 From: pamrich47 at hotmail.com (Richard Strickland) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:27:02 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FW: message from FMA In-Reply-To: <017601c94a72$8c32b3b0$710411ac@fma2.com> References: <017601c94a72$8c32b3b0$710411ac@fma2.com> Message-ID: FYI from an inquiry I made this AM. Although it doesn't look like they have used mine, I cancelled it... RS From: cindy at fmadirect.comTo: pamrich47 at hotmail.comSubject: messageDate: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:13:39 -0400 Hello Richard Concerning your message.... We have posted a response on RC Groups concerning the issue. Until yesterday we were going with the info provided us by our web provider, which was that we had no security breach. After being notified about the thread on RC Groups we see that the problem was larger than we believed. We already updated our security methods weeks ago when one person called to inquire, just as a practice that is done periodically. The thieves are getting smarter and faster every day. There is no way to know what info was compromised, but it appears that it occurred late October. For peace of mind you should probably contact your card issuer to be sure you have no fraudulent activity. I sincerely apologize for the hassle. Regards,Cindy MarksAccounts ManagerFMA Inc. 5713 Industry Lane, Suite 50Frederick, MD 21704Phone: (301)668-7614 ext. 19Fax: (301)668-7619Website: www.fmadirect.com _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live Hotmail now works up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_faster_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tony at radiosouthrc.com Wed Nov 19 09:57:39 2008 From: tony at radiosouthrc.com (Tony) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:57:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <44795A1A05F74A8AAF0AFD65727126FE@usera1262bf031><81AAA077C60A4D33A190A309E1C99AA5@jaysdesktop><000301c94a5f$52f0a160$f8d1e420$@maurice@sgmservice.com><008001c94a62$1687f8b0$4397ea10$@net> Message-ID: <5E74F4EED7D44368AE3DB311996084CA@Tony> All of my transactions are encrypted here at Radio South. I do have customers who request that I keep there data on file, and some who request that it be deleted when used. It is important that if the data is kept, it is secure. My data is off-line so it is not accessible via internet. Tony Stillman, President Radio South, Inc. 139 Altama Connector, Box 322 Brunswick, GA 31525 1-800-962-7802 www.radiosouthrc.com _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of John Konneker Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 11:26 AM To: Discussion List Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Robert, I am often troubled by some of our suppliers. I've had them read my card and 3 digit security number back to me before I have given it to them. They've kept it from my last order! Needless to say I always express my extreme dissatisfaction. I'm sure it's like water off a duck's back. About the only thing we can do is "vote with our feet" and not do business with these types. JLK _____ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:20:52 -0700 From: rob at koolsoft.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Its pretty stupid. There is no reason to store credit card numbers at all. I write software for online stores and such and the number is processed, and never saved. Only the transaction ID and the last 4 digits of the card for the customer benefit for future reference. Every year I have to fill out one of those PCI survey's for each of my customers that take credit cards and answer N/A to most of the questions because they deal with storage of card numbers. Why on earth would any company want to take on that kind of risk? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:16 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised I'll make you a bet that 95+% of small businesses don't know about much less follow the standards. The bad guys hit my account too but the bank fraud control unit called to alert me and resolved it with a new account number. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that "mandates" certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: . Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) . Truncation . Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) . Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain't following the standard...... Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use "one time" credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Apparently they try a few $1.00 test charges thru Napster and iTunes. It seems that the VISA fraud detection folks caught it pretty quickly. >From now on I'm using my wife's CC for internet shopping. . On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 2:03 PM, wrote: > M > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Gene Maurice" > > Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:59:22 > To: 'General pattern discussion' > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -- Keith Hoard Collierville, TN khoard at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mtliprie at centurytel.net Wed Nov 19 15:22:51 2008 From: mtliprie at centurytel.net (MATT LIPRIE) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:22:51 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. 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RS ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: jlkonn at hotmail.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 10:26:09 -0600 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Robert, I am often troubled by some of our suppliers. I've had them read my card and 3 digit security number back to me before I have given it to them. They've kept it from my last order! Needless to say I always express my extreme dissatisfaction. I'm sure it's like water off a duck's back. About the only thing we can do is "vote with our feet" and not do business with these types. JLK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2008 09:20:52 -0700 From: rob at koolsoft.com To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Its pretty stupid. There is no reason to store credit card numbers at all. I write software for online stores and such and the number is processed, and never saved. Only the transaction ID and the last 4 digits of the card for the customer benefit for future reference. Every year I have to fill out one of those PCI survey's for each of my customers that take credit cards and answer N/A to most of the questions because they deal with storage of card numbers. Why on earth would any company want to take on that kind of risk? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burton Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:16 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised I?ll make you a bet that 95+% of small businesses don?t know about much less follow the standards. The bad guys hit my account too but the bank fraud control unit called to alert me and resolved it with a new account number. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:56 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Credit card information is suppose to be encrypted and secured. There is an organization PCI (Payment Card Industry) who has issued a Data Security Standard that ?mandates? certain security measures be implemented if you deal with CC payments. Quote: PCI DSS requirements are applicable if a Primary Account Number (PAN) is stored, processed, or transmitted. The standards further states, quote: Do not store sensitive authentication data subsequent to authorization (even if encrypted). And, quote: Render PAN, at minimum, unreadable anywhere it is stored (including data on portable digital media, backup media, in logs, and data received from or stored by wireless networks) by using any of the following approaches: ? Strong one-way hash functions (hashed indexes) ? Truncation ? Index tokens and pads (pads must be securely stored) ? Strong cryptography with associated key management processes and procedures. Sounds like FMA ain?t following the standard????.. Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:42 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised This is the reason I use ?one time? credit card numbers from Shop Safe where you specify the max amount and a valid period. I have never understood why credit card numbers must remain on a database after they have cleared. They ought to be encoded also! Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MKMSG Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:15 AM To: NSRCA Discussion List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. Sign up today. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Wed Nov 19 15:30:00 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 00:30:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Matt, The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves daily for this type of fraud.but so do the people doing it. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pcosky at comcast.net Wed Nov 19 17:09:43 2008 From: pcosky at comcast.net (Pete Cosky) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:09:43 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> That's the truth. A lock only keeps an honest man honest. >From what I gathered it wasn't FMA that was compromised, it was their payment processor, which begs the question how many other businesses are impacted by this breach. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Matt, The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves daily for this type of fraud.but so do the people doing it. Arch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. 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URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Wed Nov 19 17:29:00 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:29:00 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: Very true..I doubt FMA has their own setup. They are probably part of a network of online stores. _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:39 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That's the truth. A lock only keeps an honest man honest. >From what I gathered it wasn't FMA that was compromised, it was their payment processor, which begs the question how many other businesses are impacted by this breach. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Matt, The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves daily for this type of fraud.but so do the people doing it. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. 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URL: From cjm767driver at hotmail.com Wed Nov 19 17:32:57 2008 From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris Moon) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:32:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Wed Nov 19 17:39:35 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:39:35 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <95C030BFC04D461D9AD8214D0DF5F756@astafford> Chris, A lot of companies now are requiring the full billing address now for verification, not just the zip code as it used to be. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Chris Moon Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:03 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Guys: I kind of doubt it was simply a breach of their external credit card processor, and here's why. On Monday, I received a small print order (less than $6) from an online printing company. The small box had my name and address correctly on it and it was from a company that had 3 of the fraudulent charges on my credit card. I did not order this stuff of course, but the thieves clearly had not only my valid credit card number and expiration date as a processing company might have, but had my correct name and address to go with it. One of the online forums had a posting from a guy who said they had enough info on him to get this bank to release the pin# for his card to THEM and subsequently took out $400 in cash advances. So unless the credit card processors need the name and address data too in order to process the charges (I know for a fact they did not need this data years ago), I think it was the FMA internal server that was hacked, or an inside job from an employee or ex-employee - which I think is most likely. Chris Pete Cosky wrote: That's the truth. A lock only keeps an honest man honest. >From what I gathered it wasn't FMA that was compromised, it was their payment processor, which begs the question how many other businesses are impacted by this breach. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Matt, The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves daily for this type of fraud.but so do the people doing it. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. Mike _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 8:58 AM _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joddino at socal.rr.com Wed Nov 19 18:18:32 2008 From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:18:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: My first inkling of trouble came when I got an email telling me my Fedex account was approved. I did nothing as I wasn't even sure it was Fedex that sent the email. The next thing that happened was Mastercard called with concern about three purchases going to an address different than the billing address and we canceled the card immediately. I then started getting calls from folks all over the country who were getting envelopes with checks in them. I called Fedex and made sure the account was closed. Since then I have been getting bills from Fedex and I must be owing close to $9000 now. I can't believe Fedex would let a new account run up that kind of debt without ever having done any business with them and never checking to see if it were legit. Makes you want to burn all your credit cards. Jim O On Nov 19, 2008, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moon wrote: > Guys: > I kind of doubt it was simply a breach of their external credit card > processor, and here's why. On Monday, I received a small print > order (less than $6) from an online printing company. The small box > had my name and address correctly on it and it was from a company > that had 3 of the fraudulent charges on my credit card. I did not > order this stuff of course, but the thieves clearly had not only my > valid credit card number and expiration date as a processing company > might have, but had my correct name and address to go with it. One > of the online forums had a posting from a guy who said they had > enough info on him to get this bank to release the pin# for his card > to THEM and subsequently took out $400 in cash advances. So unless > the credit card processors need the name and address data too in > order to process the charges (I know for a fact they did not need > this data years ago), I think it was the FMA internal server that > was hacked, or an inside job from an employee or ex-employee - which > I think is most likely. > > Chris > > Pete Cosky wrote: >> >> That's the truth. A lock only keeps an honest man honest. >> >> From what I gathered it wasn't FMA that was compromised, it was >> their payment processor, which begs the question how many other >> businesses are impacted by this breach. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Archie Stafford >> To: 'General pattern discussion' >> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised >> >> Matt, >> >> The security symbol would not have helped here. I?m sure FMA has a >> fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. >> Technology improves daily for this type of fraud?but so do the >> people doing it. >> >> Arch >> >> >> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org >> ] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE >> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM >> To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised >> >> That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like >> that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security >> symbol on the bottom of the page. >> >> Matthew L. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: mike mueller >> To: General pattern discussion >> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised >> >> Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! >> >> --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: >> From: MKMSG >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised >> To: "NSRCA Discussion List" >> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM >> If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct >> using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's >> database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the >> information is making charges against the credit cards. I read >> this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I >> brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I >> cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done >> business on line with FMA recently. >> >> Mike >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: >> 11/19/2008 8:58 AM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mjfrederick at cox.net Wed Nov 19 19:23:07 2008 From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 04:23:07 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: You'd be amazed what information someone with the proper connections can get their hands on. Usually the name on the card and the billing zip code are required to process a credit card transaction, and they're probably stored together. If I have someone's name and know where they live, I can get an address, phone number, SSN, names of neighbors, relatives, where they work, all kinds of fun stuff. Then again, I work for the government, I guess that's kinda cheating. Then again, these types of people don't really let illegal searches stop them either. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Moon To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Guys: I kind of doubt it was simply a breach of their external credit card processor, and here's why. On Monday, I received a small print order (less than $6) from an online printing company. The small box had my name and address correctly on it and it was from a company that had 3 of the fraudulent charges on my credit card. I did not order this stuff of course, but the thieves clearly had not only my valid credit card number and expiration date as a processing company might have, but had my correct name and address to go with it. One of the online forums had a posting from a guy who said they had enough info on him to get this bank to release the pin# for his card to THEM and subsequently took out $400 in cash advances. So unless the credit card processors need the name and address data too in order to process the charges (I know for a fact they did not need this data years ago), I think it was the FMA internal server that was hacked, or an inside job from an employee or ex-employee - which I think is most likely. Chris Pete Cosky wrote: That's the truth. A lock only keeps an honest man honest. From what I gathered it wasn't FMA that was compromised, it was their payment processor, which begs the question how many other businesses are impacted by this breach. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Matt, The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves daily for this type of fraud.but so do the people doing it. Arch -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. 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I'm sure FMA has a fairly > secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves > daily for this type of fraud?but so do the people doing it. > > > > Arch > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto: > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *MATT LIPRIE > *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM > *To:* mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised > > > > *That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. > Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the > bottom of the page.* > > > > *Matthew L.* > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* mike mueller > > *To:* General pattern discussion > > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM > > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised > > > > Bingo, that explains it. 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From what I gathered it wasn't FMA that was compromised, it was their payment processor, which begs the question how many other businesses are impacted by this breach. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Matt, The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves daily for this type of fraud?but so do the people doing it. Arch -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. 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URL: From mups1953 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 20 04:22:11 2008 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:22:11 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Statement from FMA Message-ID: <749349.55734.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Statement from FMA Direct Management in response to posts on leading RC Online Forums. During the last week of October, FMA received two inquiries within a matter of days about possible compromised credit cards. In both cases the customer informed us that they had used their card at multiple online sites and could not confirm which site(s) could have been compromised. We promptly notified the company who hosts our website about the possible compromise of our database. After extensive research on their end, our website host notified FMA that no breach could be detected. Nevertheless, as of November 1, 2008 the additional precautionary measures were implemented by FMA?s host: 1) Hardened all login passwords that could have presented an opportunity for such theft. 2) Added stronger encryption algorithms to any credit card transactions received on our partner's web hosting company?s servers. 3) Added additional security measures to further ensure credit card information is secure at our web hosting service. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shineyobject at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 04:56:50 2008 From: shineyobject at gmail.com (Mike Robinson) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:56:50 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised In-Reply-To: <005701c94b10$43678ef0$66440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> <98f532de0811200406p499e9be0x8ec0fcea9ad0544@mail.gmail.com> <005701c94b10$43678ef0$66440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: <98f532de0811200556y6190f79fn9bcd788924504782@mail.gmail.com> Pete - Medeco with Magnesium plate will stop you from using that torch! hehehe!! But then you could wear a fire suit....hummm the plot thickens! (the magnesium will spew white hot balls of fire all over.) On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Pete Cosky wrote: > Maybe not, but I have used a cutting torch. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Mike Robinson > *To:* General pattern discussion > *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:06 AM > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised > > Pete - It's clear that you haven't used a Medeco lock! :-) > > Mike Robinson, President > A1 Lock & Security > > On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Pete Cosky wrote: > > That's the truth. *A lock only keeps an honest man honest.* >> >> From what I gathered it wasn't FMA that was compromised, it was their >> payment processor, which begs the question how many other businesses are >> impacted by this breach. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* Archie Stafford >> *To:* 'General pattern discussion' >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised >> >> Matt, >> >> >> >> The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly >> secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves >> daily for this type of fraud?but so do the people doing it. >> >> >> >> Arch >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto: >> nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *MATT LIPRIE >> *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM >> *To:* mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion >> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised >> >> >> >> *That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. >> Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the >> bottom of the page.* >> >> >> >> *Matthew L.* >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* mike mueller >> >> *To:* General pattern discussion >> >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM >> >> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised >> >> >> >> Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! >> >> --- On *Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG * wrote: >> >> From: MKMSG >> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised >> To: "NSRCA Discussion List" >> Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM >> >> If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using >> a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been >> compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against >> the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. >> Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge >> there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done >> business on line with FMA recently. >> >> >> >> Mike >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.7/1799 - Release Date: 11/19/2008 >> 8:58 AM >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> NSRCA-discussion mailing list >> NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org >> http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion >> > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Thu Nov 20 11:04:07 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:04:07 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Another Futaba Hidden Problem Message-ID: <4034523240CA44B697424247A43DB28D@jaysdesktop> The following message is of a conversation I am presently having with Futaba. I can't find any reference to the problem on their site. Has anyone else had the same problem? ************************* Does the receiver have an orange "B" by the seventh channel? Has your transmitter been updated including the "I" sticker by the serial number? Sincerely, John G.- PS9004 Product Support Lead Technician Futaba Programming Technician Great Planes Model Distributors www.futabarc.com NO AUTORESPONDER >>> "Jay Marshall" 11/15/2008 11:02 AM >>> My T6EX xmtr links to my R606FS receiver with no problem. It will not, however, link to my new R617FS receiver. The LED goes blinking green, blinking red when the Easy Link button is pressed, then blinking green. What is the problem? Jay Marshall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Thu Nov 20 11:54:17 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:54:17 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Another Futaba Hidden Problem In-Reply-To: <4034523240CA44B697424247A43DB28D@jaysdesktop> References: <4034523240CA44B697424247A43DB28D@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: <3511340F48654708881C4F0CB6293940@astafford> There are two versions of the FASST system. The older FASST TX only binds to certain receivers and has to be upgraded. I believe it is a free upgrade, but am not 100% sure. I believe that is what he means by the I stick on the serial number on the transmitter. Arch Team Futaba _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:34 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Another Futaba Hidden Problem The following message is of a conversation I am presently having with Futaba. I can't find any reference to the problem on their site. Has anyone else had the same problem? ************************* Does the receiver have an orange "B" by the seventh channel? Has your transmitter been updated including the "I" sticker by the serial number? Sincerely, John G.- PS9004 Product Support Lead Technician Futaba Programming Technician Great Planes Model Distributors www.futabarc.com NO AUTORESPONDER >>> "Jay Marshall" 11/15/2008 11:02 AM >>> My T6EX xmtr links to my R606FS receiver with no problem. It will not, however, link to my new R617FS receiver. The LED goes blinking green, blinking red when the Easy Link button is pressed, then blinking green. What is the problem? Jay Marshall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Thu Nov 20 12:07:36 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:07:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Another Futaba Hidden Problem In-Reply-To: <3511340F48654708881C4F0CB6293940@astafford> Message-ID: Evidently so, Archie. My point is that none of this info seems to be evident on the Futaba site. I jumped through a lot of hoops with my LHS before I got a hint of this. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Archie Stafford Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 3:54 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Another Futaba Hidden Problem There are two versions of the FASST system. The older FASST TX only binds to certain receivers and has to be upgraded. I believe it is a free upgrade, but am not 100% sure. I believe that is what he means by the I stick on the serial number on the transmitter. Arch Team Futaba _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 12:34 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Another Futaba Hidden Problem The following message is of a conversation I am presently having with Futaba. I can't find any reference to the problem on their site. Has anyone else had the same problem? ************************* Does the receiver have an orange "B" by the seventh channel? Has your transmitter been updated including the "I" sticker by the serial number? Sincerely, John G.- PS9004 Product Support Lead Technician Futaba Programming Technician Great Planes Model Distributors www.futabarc.com NO AUTORESPONDER >>> "Jay Marshall" 11/15/2008 11:02 AM >>> My T6EX xmtr links to my R606FS receiver with no problem. It will not, however, link to my new R617FS receiver. The LED goes blinking green, blinking red when the Easy Link button is pressed, then blinking green. What is the problem? Jay Marshall -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mtliprie at centurytel.net Thu Nov 20 15:42:05 2008 From: mtliprie at centurytel.net (MATT LIPRIE) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:42:05 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com><003901c94ab5$030a4330$aa440a0a@usa.ccu.clearchannel.com> Message-ID: I do agree with that Arch. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Very true..I doubt FMA has their own setup. They are probably part of a network of online stores. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Pete Cosky Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 6:39 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That's the truth. A lock only keeps an honest man honest. From what I gathered it wasn't FMA that was compromised, it was their payment processor, which begs the question how many other businesses are impacted by this breach. ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Matt, The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves daily for this type of fraud.but so do the people doing it. Arch ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. 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URL: From mkmsg at cox.net Thu Nov 20 17:42:38 2008 From: mkmsg at cox.net (MKMSG) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 02:42:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Statement from FMA References: <749349.55734.qm@web51004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CB82698F1224DEDA98675828BCE47EF@usera1262bf031> FMA posted the following on the Ezonemag website: "For purposes of clarification, FMA is contacting customers by every means possible to notify them of the potential fraud involving credit card purchases. Posting on the forums is only one means we are using. A statement was sent in a mass e-mail last night, we have posted a statement on the FMA Direct website and a mass mailing will be distributed as soon as possible. In addition to increased security measures already taken by our web host company, FMA is moving as rapidly as possible to establish Paypal as a means of purchase. This incident is most upsetting to FMA and we want to assure our customers that every step is being taken to rectify the situation. We appreciate all the calls and e-mails today from people who understand and who expressed appreciation for the way in which FMA has handled this unfortunate incident. Thanks also for a number of excellent suggestions from people who have been through this before and offered advice. I know that many of our customers and friends are taking time to cancel credit cards and check accounts which takes time and effort. Even if you know that your card has not been compromised, we suggest you take the step of cancelling and having a new card issed. We apologize for the inconvenience and the worry. Believe me, we share your pain more than you can imagine. Jamie Marks FMA Direct V.P., General Manager" ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Statement from FMA Statement from FMA Direct Management in response to posts on leading RC Online Forums. During the last week of October, FMA received two inquiries within a matter of days about possible compromised credit cards. In both cases the customer informed us that they had used their card at multiple online sites and could not confirm which site(s) could have been compromised. We promptly notified the company who hosts our website about the possible compromise of our database. After extensive research on their end, our website host notified FMA that no breach could be detected. Nevertheless, as of November 1, 2008 the additional precautionary measures were implemented by FMA?s host: 1) Hardened all login passwords that could have presented an opportunity for such theft. 2) Added stronger encryption algorithms to any credit card transactions received on our partner's web hosting company?s servers. 3) Added additional security measures to further ensure credit card information is secure at our web hosting service. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mkmsg at cox.net Thu Nov 20 18:15:12 2008 From: mkmsg at cox.net (MKMSG) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:15:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers Message-ID: I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. Mike NSRCA 35 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From khoard at gmail.com Thu Nov 20 18:29:15 2008 From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:29:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6792ef120811201929ldb068e5m64016d2a4816004@mail.gmail.com> I had this problem earlier this year using some older Hitec digital servos. Interestingly, Channels 1 & 2 on the 6014 receiver output normal signal voltage and work well. I sent my servos into Hitec and they changed a resistor to make them work with the lower voltage signal. For some reason they couldn't modify the rudder servo so I plugged it into Channel 1 and re-mapped the outputs from my Tx so the rudder was on Channel 1. Kludgy but effective. . On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 9:15 PM, MKMSG wrote: > I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular > item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the > use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be > problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do > occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 > receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. > Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this > is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this > along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 > receivers using other than Futaba servos. > > Mike > NSRCA 35 > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -- Keith Hoard Collierville, TN khoard at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rforbus at hotmail.com Thu Nov 20 19:15:07 2008 From: rforbus at hotmail.com (Randy Forbus) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:15:07 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2009 Memphis Indoor Classic - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: cool Jeremy, what is the pattern for F3b From: lagrue at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; atglennmtn at aol.com; bhzboy07 at yahoo.comDate: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:54:59 +0000Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2009 Memphis Indoor Classic - I'm proud to announce the 2009 Memphis Indoor Classic. The event will be held January 9-11 (Fri-Sun) 2009. The location is the Southaven MS, Multi Purpose Arena. The facility is a huge Rodeo arena with 35+ ft ceilings and gratuitous flying area. There will be an F3P/Indoor Pattern contest on Saturday morning. Open flying will be held the remainder of the time. The Contest Director for the event is Albert Glenn. Event website --> http://www.chinnaero.com/2009MemphisIndoorClassic.html Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the ?I?m a PC? Messenger themepack now. Download now. _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the ?I?m a PC? Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joddino at socal.rr.com Thu Nov 20 21:20:12 2008 From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:20:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <95438AF3-B8D2-441D-8765-00645A853329@socal.rr.com> The JR servos I tested worked down to about 1.2 volts but the buffer amps required about 2.7 volts so they are a on the ragged edge. Jim On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:15 PM, MKMSG wrote: > I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a > particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. > The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the > R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output > voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba > and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this > issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's > answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the > only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this > along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the > 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. > > Mike > NSRCA 35 > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jlkonn at hotmail.com Fri Nov 21 02:46:06 2008 From: jlkonn at hotmail.com (John Konneker) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:46:06 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2009 Memphis Indoor Classic - In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeremy, That looks great! Just checked and it would be 488 miles but I'll be ready to get to some warmer weather about that time. You never know! :-) JLK From: lagrue at hotmail.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org; atglennmtn at aol.com; bhzboy07 at yahoo.comDate: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 03:54:59 +0000Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2009 Memphis Indoor Classic - I'm proud to announce the 2009 Memphis Indoor Classic. The event will be held January 9-11 (Fri-Sun) 2009. The location is the Southaven MS, Multi Purpose Arena. The facility is a huge Rodeo arena with 35+ ft ceilings and gratuitous flying area. There will be an F3P/Indoor Pattern contest on Saturday morning. Open flying will be held the remainder of the time. The Contest Director for the event is Albert Glenn. Event website --> http://www.chinnaero.com/2009MemphisIndoorClassic.html Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the ?I?m a PC? Messenger themepack now. Download now. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mups1953 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 21 05:42:29 2008 From: mups1953 at yahoo.com (mike mueller) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:42:29 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Statement from FMA In-Reply-To: <3CB82698F1224DEDA98675828BCE47EF@usera1262bf031> Message-ID: <345939.6361.qm@web51012.mail.re2.yahoo.com> ?I'm glad they posted that. Paypal would help. Thanks, Mike --- On Thu, 11/20/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Statement from FMA To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 8:42 PM FMA posted the following on the Ezonemag website: ? "For purposes of clarification, FMA is contacting customers by every means possible to notify them of the potential fraud involving credit card purchases. Posting on the forums is only one means we are using. A statement was sent in a mass e-mail last night, we have posted a statement on the FMA Direct website and a mass mailing will be distributed as soon as possible. In addition to increased security measures already taken by our web host company, FMA is moving as rapidly as possible to establish Paypal as a means of purchase. This incident is most upsetting to FMA and we want to assure our customers that every step is being taken to rectify the situation. We appreciate all the calls and e-mails today from people who understand and who expressed appreciation for the way in which FMA has handled this unfortunate incident. Thanks also for a number of excellent suggestions from people who have been through this before and offered advice. I know that many of our customers and friends are taking time to cancel credit cards and check accounts which takes time and effort. Even if you know that your card has not been compromised, we suggest you take the step of cancelling and having a new card issed. We apologize for the inconvenience and the worry. Believe me, we share your pain more than you can imagine. Jamie Marks FMA Direct V.P., General Manager" ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 7:22 AM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Statement from FMA Statement from FMA Direct Management in response to posts on leading RC Online Forums. During the last week of October, FMA received two inquiries within a matter of days about possible compromised credit cards. In both cases the customer informed us that they had used their card at multiple online sites and could not confirm which site(s) could have been compromised. We promptly notified the company who hosts our website about the possible compromise of our database. After extensive research on their end, our website host notified FMA that no breach could be detected. Nevertheless, as of November 1, 2008 the additional precautionary measures were implemented by FMA?s host: 1) Hardened all login passwords that could have presented an opportunity for such theft. 2) Added stronger encryption algorithms to any credit card transactions received on our partner's web hosting company?s servers. 3) Added additional security measures to further ensure credit card information is secure at our web hosting service. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion_______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jonlowe at aol.com Fri Nov 21 06:03:25 2008 From: jonlowe at aol.com (Jon Lowe) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:03:25 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: <95438AF3-B8D2-441D-8765-00645A853329@socal.rr.com> References: <95438AF3-B8D2-441D-8765-00645A853329@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CB1A015AE536A9-EB8-B11@webmail-me18.sysops.aol.com> Spektrum isn't immune either. I have a non-pattern plane with retracts. My JR retract servo would work great with a 72 mhz receiver on 6 volts, and a Spektrum 7 channel receiver at 4.8 volts, but went literally nuts at 6 volts on the same receiver. This is JR's top of the line NES-791. After an unrelated firmware upgrade to the receiver, the retract servo would work at 6 volts if it was the only servo on the system; not exactly useful. I finally gave up and bought a JR Sport cheapie retract servo, RT-88, which works fine. Go figure. Jon Lowe -----Original Message----- From: James Oddino To: General pattern discussion Sent: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:20 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers The JR servos I tested worked down to about 1.2 volts but the buffer amps required about 2.7 volts so they are a on the ragged edge. Jim? On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:15 PM, MKMSG wrote: I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver.? The FAQ states that?the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts.? Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers.? Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage."? Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. ? Mike NSRCA 35 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion = _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From completemarine02 at sprintpcs.com Fri Nov 21 06:21:26 2008 From: completemarine02 at sprintpcs.com (Rusty Fried) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 15:21:26 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: <95438AF3-B8D2-441D-8765-00645A853329@socal.rr.com> References: <95438AF3-B8D2-441D-8765-00645A853329@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <003001c94bec$cf3c2440$6db46cc0$@com> I am flying a 35% extra with 4 8711 jr's and 4 9156 futabas and have had no problems in some very high temps about 108degrees. (Rusty Fried) From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:20 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers The JR servos I tested worked down to about 1.2 volts but the buffer amps required about 2.7 volts so they are a on the ragged edge. Jim On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:15 PM, MKMSG wrote: I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. Mike NSRCA 35 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at koolsoft.com Fri Nov 21 07:07:30 2008 From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:07:30 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: <003001c94bec$cf3c2440$6db46cc0$@com> References: <95438AF3-B8D2-441D-8765-00645A853329@socal.rr.com> <003001c94bec$cf3c2440$6db46cc0$@com> Message-ID: And I fly with 9411sa's for Aileron servos in high temps with no issues. - Robert Beaubien - Sr. Software Architect - Kool Software LLC - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Rusty Fried Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 8:21 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I am flying a 35% extra with 4 8711 jr's and 4 9156 futabas and have had no problems in some very high temps about 108degrees. (Rusty Fried) From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of James Oddino Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 10:20 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers The JR servos I tested worked down to about 1.2 volts but the buffer amps required about 2.7 volts so they are a on the ragged edge. Jim On Nov 20, 2008, at 7:15 PM, MKMSG wrote: I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. Mike NSRCA 35 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lagrue at hotmail.com Fri Nov 21 07:49:15 2008 From: lagrue at hotmail.com (JEREMY CHINN) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 16:49:15 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P and Indoor Pattern Resource Message-ID: I built this page a while back, but forgot to get it out to the list. The goal of this page is to answer a lot of the questions I've gotten about flying Indoor Pattern. I hope someone finds it useful. http://chinnaero.com/ChinnAeroF3PAndIndoorPattern.html _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the ?I?m a PC? Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From milehipilot at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 09:25:59 2008 From: milehipilot at gmail.com (Michael Ramsey) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:25:59 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] F3P and Indoor Pattern Resource In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13e268130811211025k32f0346eu11a14996cf1b7e21@mail.gmail.com> Well done Jeremy! Michael Ramsey On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:49 AM, JEREMY CHINN wrote: > I built this page a while back, but forgot to get it out to the list. > > The goal of this page is to answer a lot of the questions I've gotten about > flying Indoor Pattern. > > I hope someone finds it useful. > > http://chinnaero.com/ChinnAeroF3PAndIndoorPattern.html > > ------------------------------ > Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the "I'm a PC" Messenger > themepack now. Download now. > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From johnferrell at earthlink.net Fri Nov 21 11:13:19 2008 From: johnferrell at earthlink.net (John Ferrell) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:13:19 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised References: <870068.64065.qm@web51009.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Has anyone had a Discover Card compromised by this event? John Ferrell W8CCW "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke http://DixieNC.US ----- Original Message ----- From: Archie Stafford To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Matt, The security symbol would not have helped here. I'm sure FMA has a fairly secure site. Their database was what was compromised. Technology improves daily for this type of fraud.but so do the people doing it. Arch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of MATT LIPRIE Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 4:53 AM To: mups1953 at yahoo.com; General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised That is why I am so leary of using a credit card somewhere like that. Plus I do always check if the website has a little security symbol on the bottom of the page. Matthew L. ----- Original Message ----- From: mike mueller To: General pattern discussion Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised Bingo, that explains it. Good catch! --- On Tue, 11/18/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] FMA Database Compromised To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Tuesday, November 18, 2008, 11:14 PM If any of you have recently bought products on line from FMA Direct using a credit card, check your credit card account. FMA's database has been compromised/hacked and whoever has the information is making charges against the credit cards. I read this in the electric forum on Ezonemag.com. Sure enough, when I brought up my VISA account, there was a NAPSTER charge there so I cancelled the card. You might want to check yours if you've done business on line with FMA recently. 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URL: From gene.maurice at sgmservice.com Fri Nov 21 13:19:53 2008 From: gene.maurice at sgmservice.com (Gene Maurice) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:19:53 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Klass Kote Paints Message-ID: <000001c94c27$45d25ea0$d1771be0$@maurice@sgmservice.com> Looking for comments from those who have used Klass Kote paints. TIA Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From burtona at atmc.net Fri Nov 21 13:27:45 2008 From: burtona at atmc.net (Dave Burton) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:27:45 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Klass Kote Paints In-Reply-To: <000001c94c27$45d25ea0$d1771be0$@maurice@sgmservice.com> References: <000001c94c27$45d25ea0$d1771be0$@maurice@sgmservice.com> Message-ID: <000901c94c28$625e7490$271b5db0$@net> Good stuff. Just about like the old K & B and HobbyPoxy. A little limited in colors but they keep coming out with new shades. You can use their catalyst with K & B and HobbyPoxy part A. From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:20 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Klass Kote Paints Looking for comments from those who have used Klass Kote paints. TIA Gene Maurice Plano, TX AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 PACSS.sgmservice.com gene.maurice at sgmservice.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Fri Nov 21 13:28:57 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:28:57 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Klass Kote Paints In-Reply-To: <000001c94c27$45d25ea0$d1771be0$@maurice@sgmservice.com> References: <000001c94c27$45d25ea0$d1771be0$@maurice@sgmservice.com> Message-ID: I have never used them, but a builder local to me outside San Antonio has used them quite a bit on his scale stuff and has been really happy. The finish looks great. I can't speak for ease of painting or anything, but the quality of the finish seems excellent. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 2:50 AM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Klass Kote Paints Looking for comments from those who have used Klass Kote paints. 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A little limited in > colors but they keep coming out with new shades. > You can use their catalyst with K & B and HobbyPoxy part A. > > > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Gene Maurice > Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 5:20 PM > To: 'General pattern discussion' > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Klass Kote Paints > > Looking for comments from those who have used Klass Kote paints. > TIA > > Gene Maurice > Plano, TX > AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 > PACSS.sgmservice.com > gene.maurice at sgmservice.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rickwallace45 at gmail.com Fri Nov 21 16:33:12 2008 From: rickwallace45 at gmail.com (richard wallace) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 01:33:12 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Klass Kote Paints In-Reply-To: <1463844469409297282@unknownmsgid> References: <1463844469409297282@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Excellent paint. I have three pattern planes painted /w it now. two are three years old. Goes on easy; less hazardous/ less smell than the catalyzed polyurethanes Durable finish w/ minor sun fading (red) after three seasons. Very good to excellent gloss w/o additional buffing. I managed to do all the planes w/ airbrushes or small guns. Little weight gain; very happy with results. downsides (all pretty minor) : Colors don't match Ultracote colors Blue is not very opaque (In general, it works best over white background) Red better but still takes several (airbrushed) coats to be opaque. Requires 45 minites of sitting time between mixing and shooting. I plan to use it on future projects. Best overall solution I know of today. On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Gene Maurice wrote: > Looking for comments from those who have used Klass Kote paints. > > TIA > > > > Gene Maurice > > Plano, TX > > AMA 3408 NSRCA 877 > > PACSS.sgmservice.com > > gene.maurice at sgmservice.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bob at toprudder.com Fri Nov 21 17:42:21 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:42:21 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <540954.30982.qm@web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> I think I read somewhere that the R608FS receiver uses the same chipset and has the same problem. ? So far I have not had any problems with the servos that I use, but I was not able to check the pulse width?out of?the higher channels with my Hitec programmer. I have to wonder, however, exactly what is the logic level for the various servos? Also, does the logic level of the servo change with a different battery voltage? Does the output level from the rx change with a different battery voltage? ? I guess this is a good reason to use some sort of output conditioner (powerbox, etc) if mixing brands of receivers and servos. Bob R. ? --- On Fri, 11/21/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:15 AM I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver.? The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts.? Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers.? Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage."? Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. ? Mike NSRCA 35 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Fri Nov 21 18:04:48 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:04:48 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: <540954.30982.qm@web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <540954.30982.qm@web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <553B27A5191343659BB4F3A6E11EA4B8@astafford> Bob, The 608 is a full FASST receiver. The older receivers only accept fail safe on channel 3. The newer ones, including the 608 have fail safe for all channels and use the newer FASST setting, Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Richards Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 7:12 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I think I read somewhere that the R608FS receiver uses the same chipset and has the same problem. So far I have not had any problems with the servos that I use, but I was not able to check the pulse width out of the higher channels with my Hitec programmer. I have to wonder, however, exactly what is the logic level for the various servos? Also, does the logic level of the servo change with a different battery voltage? Does the output level from the rx change with a different battery voltage? I guess this is a good reason to use some sort of output conditioner (powerbox, etc) if mixing brands of receivers and servos. Bob R. --- On Fri, 11/21/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:15 AM I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. Mike NSRCA 35 _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Richards To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I think I read somewhere that the R608FS receiver uses the same chipset and has the same problem. So far I have not had any problems with the servos that I use, but I was not able to check the pulse width out of the higher channels with my Hitec programmer. I have to wonder, however, exactly what is the logic level for the various servos? Also, does the logic level of the servo change with a different battery voltage? Does the output level from the rx change with a different battery voltage? I guess this is a good reason to use some sort of output conditioner (powerbox, etc) if mixing brands of receivers and servos. Bob R. --- On Fri, 11/21/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:15 AM I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. 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I'll check the signal levels on the receivers this weekend. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Alt To: bob at toprudder.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers Aside from using a purpose built servo that matches logic families with the receiver, the only real solution is to insert a level translater in between; basically a simple buffer that allows you to take a lower voltage ourput signal from one logic family in the receiver and boost the signal level to work with a servo that requires higher levels for safe operating margins. Personally, I would not fly other servos without doing this, even if they seem to be working fine. Jim Oddino's post used two very instructive words: "ragged edge". Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Richards To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I think I read somewhere that the R608FS receiver uses the same chipset and has the same problem. So far I have not had any problems with the servos that I use, but I was not able to check the pulse width out of the higher channels with my Hitec programmer. I have to wonder, however, exactly what is the logic level for the various servos? Also, does the logic level of the servo change with a different battery voltage? Does the output level from the rx change with a different battery voltage? I guess this is a good reason to use some sort of output conditioner (powerbox, etc) if mixing brands of receivers and servos. Bob R. --- On Fri, 11/21/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:15 AM I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. 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URL: From khoard at gmail.com Sat Nov 22 04:45:42 2008 From: khoard at gmail.com (Keith Hoard) Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:45:42 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: References: <540954.30982.qm@web1101.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6792ef120811220545o477a4bd9gd7d38e092e65dcaa@mail.gmail.com> I think all of the recently manufactured servos are made to work fine with the lower signal voltage. I would just contact the manufacturer. . perhaps easier than designing a " simple buffer"? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Ed Alt wrote: > Aside from using a purpose built servo that matches logic families with > the receiver, the only real solution is to insert a level translater in > between; basically a simple buffer that allows you to take a lower voltage > ourput signal from one logic family in the receiver and boost the signal > level to work with a servo that requires higher levels for safe operating > margins. Personally, I would not fly other servos without doing this, even > if they seem to be working fine. Jim Oddino's post used two very > instructive words: "ragged edge". > > Ed > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bob Richards > *To:* General pattern discussion > *Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2008 9:42 PM > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers > > I think I read somewhere that the R608FS receiver uses the same chipset > and has the same problem. > > So far I have not had any problems with the servos that I use, but I was > not able to check the pulse width out of the higher channels with my Hitec > programmer. I have to wonder, however, exactly what is the logic level for > the various servos? Also, does the logic level of the servo change with a > different battery voltage? Does the output level from the rx change with a > different battery voltage? > > I guess this is a good reason to use some sort of output conditioner > (powerbox, etc) if mixing brands of receivers and servos. > Bob R. > > > --- On *Fri, 11/21/08, MKMSG * wrote: > > From: MKMSG > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers > To: "NSRCA Discussion List" > Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:15 AM > > I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular > item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the > use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be > problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do > occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 > receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. > Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this > is the only one that has the lower voltage." 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I want to use them with my Futaba 5114 (PCM - G3, 72 Mhz) receivers. I'll check the signal levels on the receivers this weekend. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Alt To: bob at toprudder.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers Aside from using a purpose built servo that matches logic families with the receiver, the only real solution is to insert a level translater in between; basically a simple buffer that allows you to take a lower voltage ourput signal from one logic family in the receiver and boost the signal level to work with a servo that requires higher levels for safe operating margins. Personally, I would not fly other servos without doing this, even if they seem to be working fine. Jim Oddino's post used two very instructive words: "ragged edge". Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Richards To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I think I read somewhere that the R608FS receiver uses the same chipset and has the same problem. So far I have not had any problems with the servos that I use, but I was not able to check the pulse width out of the higher channels with my Hitec programmer. I have to wonder, however, exactly what is the logic level for the various servos? Also, does the logic level of the servo change with a different battery voltage? Does the output level from the rx change with a different battery voltage? I guess this is a good reason to use some sort of output conditioner (powerbox, etc) if mixing brands of receivers and servos. Bob R. --- On Fri, 11/21/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:15 AM I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. 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Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Hoard To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I think all of the recently manufactured servos are made to work fine with the lower signal voltage. I would just contact the manufacturer. . perhaps easier than designing a " simple buffer"? On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Ed Alt wrote: Aside from using a purpose built servo that matches logic families with the receiver, the only real solution is to insert a level translater in between; basically a simple buffer that allows you to take a lower voltage ourput signal from one logic family in the receiver and boost the signal level to work with a servo that requires higher levels for safe operating margins. Personally, I would not fly other servos without doing this, even if they seem to be working fine. Jim Oddino's post used two very instructive words: "ragged edge". Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Richards To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I think I read somewhere that the R608FS receiver uses the same chipset and has the same problem. So far I have not had any problems with the servos that I use, but I was not able to check the pulse width out of the higher channels with my Hitec programmer. I have to wonder, however, exactly what is the logic level for the various servos? Also, does the logic level of the servo change with a different battery voltage? Does the output level from the rx change with a different battery voltage? I guess this is a good reason to use some sort of output conditioner (powerbox, etc) if mixing brands of receivers and servos. Bob R. --- On Fri, 11/21/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:15 AM I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. 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This thinner will work with HobbyPoxy, K&B, and Klass Kote and probably any other epoxy paint and primer BYW, if you have some cans of HobbyPoxy cub yellow you want to sell I'd take them off your hands. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:04 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hobby Poxy compatibility with Klass Kote While rummaging in the basement today, I found some Hobby Poxy paint & hardener that I have probably had for about 10 years. Would Klass Kote reducer work with this? Thanks Ed -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This thinner will work with HobbyPoxy, K&B, and Klass Kote and probably any other epoxy paint and primer BYW, if you have some cans of HobbyPoxy cub yellow you want to sell I'd take them off your hands. Dave Burton From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ed Alt Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:04 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Hobby Poxy compatibility with Klass Kote While rummaging in the basement today, I found some Hobby Poxy paint & hardener that I have probably had for about 10 years. Would Klass Kote reducer work with this? Thanks Ed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed_alt at hotmail.com Sun Nov 23 11:22:38 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 20:22:38 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers Message-ID: OK, I set up an attenuator on the signal to get results on a handful of servos. Jim O. already did this, but I think it was with just one servo? I don't have his post anymore. This test was done with a 10K Bournes precision pot, ground to one lead, signal out to servo the wiper, signal in from the receiver to the other end. Aileron channel on the R921 used for signal attenuation tests, rudder used to add a separate DS8611 servo load to induce crosstalk. Added lead length of attenuator network about 1 foot of extension wiring. Signal level measured about midway in the 1 foot of added wiring. This would be rouighly equivilent to what's happening halfway along an aileron extension in a Pattern bird. Also, I tried a couple of old analog Futaba servos I had. Results: DS8411A Loads the test network by about 0.05V drop Below 1.2V, totally uncontrolled response or no response. 1.2V - Very jumpy, not really controllable, even when the 8611 was silent or disconnected. Significant crosstalk from 8611 when active. The lightest touch on the 8611 to try to move it would set off the 8411 on the test channel. You would crash. 1.3V - Jittery, but controllable. Noticeable, but improved crosstalk from 8611. You might make it in, but your shorts may need laundering. 1.4V - Solid. DS9411A Loads the test network by about 0.05V drop 0.1V better than the 8411, otherwise a carbon copy of it's performance, just offset by +0.1V. The small difference is likely explained by component tolerances and less noise injected on the power rails because the 9411 is a lower torque servo. DS8611 Loads the test network by about 0.05V drop 0.1V worse than the 8411. It's a much higher torque servo and injects about 0.2V of noise on the ground lead every time the motor moves. The 8411 injects a little less noise, something like 0.5V less, but I can't measure that accurately. DS821 Loads the test network by about 0.2V drop 0.85V - No response 0.9V - wild response (see 8411 notes above about crashing at 1.2V) 0.95 - Just barely controllable, a lot of crosstalk. You would still crash, but it might take a little longer. 1.0V - A little jumpy, some crosstalk. NES-4131 Loads the test network by about 0.1V drop 1.3V - Very wild response, frequently drives to the stops 1.35V - Slightly jittery, some crosstalk 1.4V - Fairly solid, milder crosstalk 1.5V - Solid, very mild crosstalk Futaba S3101 Requires 1.5V to work solid Futaba S9602 Works well at 1.1V I also tried adding a 2nd DS series servo to the test channel (added a 9411 to an 8411) while the 8411 was set to work at 1.3V (controllable, but jittery). I deliberately did not adjust the signal level to compensate for the additional load and observed that it became very wild for both servos. This is to be expected, since the signal level was already a what I would consider the minimum controllable level. The 9411 added load knocked it down roughly another 0.5V, but also added more noise to the equation. So to summarize, when you get out at longer lead lengths, the effects of signal degration to to crosstalk, capacitive loading etc becomes worse than in my test. In a pattern plane, not so bad, but in a big IMAC thing, watch out. Double up on servos on an extension, worse again. Add higher torque servos, worse again. These are intended as useful guidelines and not absolutes. I still think the margins are uncomfortably low with only a 2.7V receiver output, but maybe Futaba or JR has a different view. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Alt To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I don't know what their limit is, but I did just scope the output of a Spektrum R921 and it's a 3.4V pulse on an unloaded channel. A lot of this can depend on lead length and drive capability of the channel output, so 3.4V from a R921 or 2.7V from a R6014S becomes something less at the servo input. I still have an R955, but I can't measure it since I no longer have a PCM Tx (it's for sale too - cheap!). Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:36 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers Ed, What do the typical JR servos that we use in Pattern planes (8411, 9411, etc.) like to see? I want to use them with my Futaba 5114 (PCM - G3, 72 Mhz) receivers. I'll check the signal levels on the receivers this weekend. John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Alt To: bob at toprudder.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers Aside from using a purpose built servo that matches logic families with the receiver, the only real solution is to insert a level translater in between; basically a simple buffer that allows you to take a lower voltage ourput signal from one logic family in the receiver and boost the signal level to work with a servo that requires higher levels for safe operating margins. Personally, I would not fly other servos without doing this, even if they seem to be working fine. Jim Oddino's post used two very instructive words: "ragged edge". Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Richards To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers I think I read somewhere that the R608FS receiver uses the same chipset and has the same problem. So far I have not had any problems with the servos that I use, but I was not able to check the pulse width out of the higher channels with my Hitec programmer. I have to wonder, however, exactly what is the logic level for the various servos? Also, does the logic level of the servo change with a different battery voltage? Does the output level from the rx change with a different battery voltage? I guess this is a good reason to use some sort of output conditioner (powerbox, etc) if mixing brands of receivers and servos. Bob R. --- On Fri, 11/21/08, MKMSG wrote: From: MKMSG Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers To: "NSRCA Discussion List" Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 1:15 AM I was reading the FAQ section of the Futaba website when a particular item caught my eye regarding the R6014FS 2.4 receiver. The FAQ states that the use of non Futaba digital servos with the R6014FS receiver may be problematic due to the 6014's lower output voltage of 2.7 volts. Since I do occasionally mix and match Futaba and JR servos and use the 8 channel 2.4 receiver, I wondered if this issue was common to all Futaba 2.4 receivers. Here's Futaba's answer: "The FAQ refers only to the R6014FS receiver, this is the only one that has the lower voltage." Just thought I'd pass this along in case someone experiences performance anomalies with the 6014 receivers using other than Futaba servos. 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URL: From bob at toprudder.com Sun Nov 23 13:53:33 2008 From: bob at toprudder.com (Bob Richards) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 22:53:33 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <635539.90468.qm@web1105.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Ed, ? Good information. ? The 10k pot establishes the output impedance for these tests (high), so the voltage drop of the signal when loaded by the servo will give some indication of the input impedance of the servos. (The DS821, for instance, obviously has a much lower input impedance than the other servos.) This could be a significant factor when loading a channel with multiple servos. ? What could not be deduced from these tests is the output impedance of the receiver. How much drive do our receivers have? ? In any IMAC type plane, I will have some type of powerbox arrangement (my favorite right now is Smartfly). No worry about signal levels at all. ? Bob R. --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ed Alt wrote: From: Ed Alt Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:22 PM OK, I set up an attenuator on the signal to get results on a handful of servos.? Jim O. already did this, but I think it was with just one servo?? I don't have his post anymore.? ? This test was done with a 10K Bournes precision pot, ground to one lead, signal out to servo the wiper, signal in from the receiver to the other end.? Aileron channel on the R921 used for signal attenuation tests, rudder used to add a separate DS8611 servo load to induce crosstalk.? Added lead length of attenuator network about 1 foot of extension wiring. Signal level measured about midway in the 1 foot of added wiring.? This would be rouighly equivilent to what's happening halfway along an aileron extension in a Pattern bird.? Also, I tried a couple of old analog Futaba servos I had. ? Results: ? DS8411A Loads the test network by?about 0.05V drop Below 1.2V, totally uncontrolled response or no response. 1.2V - Very jumpy, not really controllable, even when the 8611 was silent or disconnected.? Significant crosstalk from 8611 when active.? The lightest touch on the 8611 to try to move it would set off the 8411 on the test channel.? You would crash. 1.3V - Jittery, but controllable.? Noticeable, but improved crosstalk from 8611.? You might make it in, but your shorts may need laundering. 1.4V - Solid. ? DS9411A Loads the test network by?about 0.05V drop 0.1V better than the 8411, otherwise a carbon copy of it's performance, just offset by +0.1V.? The small difference is likely explained by component tolerances and less noise injected on the power rails because the 9411 is a lower torque servo. ? DS8611 Loads the test network by?about 0.05V drop 0.1V worse than the 8411. It's a much higher torque servo and injects about 0.2V of noise on the ground lead every time the motor moves.? The 8411 injects a little less noise,?something like 0.5V less, but I can't measure that accurately. ? DS821 Loads the test network by?about 0.2V drop0.85V -?No response 0.9V -?wild response (see 8411 notes above about crashing at 1.2V) 0.95 - Just barely controllable, a lot of crosstalk.? You would still crash, but it might take a little longer. 1.0V - A little jumpy, some crosstalk.? ? NES-4131 Loads the test network by?about 0.1V drop 1.3V - Very wild response, frequently drives to the stops 1.35V - Slightly jittery, some crosstalk 1.4V - Fairly solid, milder crosstalk 1.5V - Solid, very mild crosstalk ? Futaba S3101 Requires 1.5V to work solid ? Futaba S9602 Works well at 1.1V ? I also tried adding a 2nd DS series servo to the test channel (added a 9411 to an 8411) while the 8411 was set to work at 1.3V (controllable, but jittery).? I deliberately did not adjust the signal level to compensate for the additional load and observed that it became very wild for both servos.? This is to be expected, since the signal level was already a what I would consider the minimum controllable level. The 9411 added load knocked it down roughly another 0.5V, but also added more noise to the equation. ? So to summarize, when you get out at longer lead lengths, the effects of signal degration to to crosstalk, capacitive loading etc becomes worse than in my test.? In a pattern plane, not so bad, but in a big IMAC thing, watch out.? Double up on servos on an extension, worse again.? Add higher torque servos, worse again. These are intended as useful guidelines and not absolutes.? I still think the margins are uncomfortably low with only a 2.7V receiver output, but maybe Futaba or JR has a different view. ? ? Ed ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ed_alt at hotmail.com Sun Nov 23 14:16:54 2008 From: ed_alt at hotmail.com (Ed Alt) Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 23:16:54 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers In-Reply-To: <635539.90468.qm@web1105.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> References: <635539.90468.qm@web1105.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob: I would definitely want to know the output impedance and fan out of the R6014FS. I didn't check the impedance of the R921, but I can do it later. I know it was 3.4V unloaded. The output drive can be looked up on a Cypress data sheet for the Spektrum stuff. I have the chip number written down somewhere. I'm not familiar with anything inside the Futaba receiver, but I bet there's someone on the list who could find out. Correction on the 8411 noise. I typed 0.5V, and meant 0.05V less than an 8611 (approximately). Ed Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:53:30 -0800From: bob at toprudder.comTo: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.orgSubject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS Receivers Ed, Good information. The 10k pot establishes the output impedance for these tests (high), so the voltage drop of the signal when loaded by the servo will give some indication of the input impedance of the servos. (The DS821, for instance, obviously has a much lower input impedance than the other servos.) This could be a significant factor when loading a channel with multiple servos. What could not be deduced from these tests is the output impedance of the receiver. How much drive do our receivers have? In any IMAC type plane, I will have some type of powerbox arrangement (my favorite right now is Smartfly). No worry about signal levels at all. Bob R. --- On Sun, 11/23/08, Ed Alt wrote: From: Ed Alt Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Futaba R6014FS ReceiversTo: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 6:22 PM OK, I set up an attenuator on the signal to get results on a handful of servos. Jim O. already did this, but I think it was with just one servo? I don't have his post anymore. This test was done with a 10K Bournes precision pot, ground to one lead, signal out to servo the wiper, signal in from the receiver to the other end. Aileron channel on the R921 used for signal attenuation tests, rudder used to add a separate DS8611 servo load to induce crosstalk. Added lead length of attenuator network about 1 foot of extension wiring. Signal level measured about midway in the 1 foot of added wiring. This would be rouighly equivilent to what's happening halfway along an aileron extension in a Pattern bird. Also, I tried a couple of old analog Futaba servos I had. Results: DS8411A Loads the test network by about 0.05V drop Below 1.2V, totally uncontrolled response or no response. 1.2V - Very jumpy, not really controllable, even when the 8611 was silent or disconnected. Significant crosstalk from 8611 when active. The lightest touch on the 8611 to try to move it would set off the 8411 on the test channel. You would crash. 1.3V - Jittery, but controllable. Noticeable, but improved crosstalk from 8611. You might make it in, but your shorts may need laundering. 1.4V - Solid. DS9411A Loads the test network by about 0.05V drop 0.1V better than the 8411, otherwise a carbon copy of it's performance, just offset by +0.1V. The small difference is likely explained by component tolerances and less noise injected on the power rails because the 9411 is a lower torque servo. DS8611 Loads the test network by about 0.05V drop 0.1V worse than the 8411. It's a much higher torque servo and injects about 0.2V of noise on the ground lead every time the motor moves. The 8411 injects a little less noise, something like 0.5V less, but I can't measure that accurately. DS821 Loads the test network by about 0.2V drop0.85V - No response 0.9V - wild response (see 8411 notes above about crashing at 1.2V) 0.95 - Just barely controllable, a lot of crosstalk. You would still crash, but it might take a little longer. 1.0V - A little jumpy, some crosstalk. NES-4131 Loads the test network by about 0.1V drop 1.3V - Very wild response, frequently drives to the stops 1.35V - Slightly jittery, some crosstalk 1.4V - Fairly solid, milder crosstalk 1.5V - Solid, very mild crosstalk Futaba S3101 Requires 1.5V to work solid Futaba S9602 Works well at 1.1V I also tried adding a 2nd DS series servo to the test channel (added a 9411 to an 8411) while the 8411 was set to work at 1.3V (controllable, but jittery). I deliberately did not adjust the signal level to compensate for the additional load and observed that it became very wild for both servos. This is to be expected, since the signal level was already a what I would consider the minimum controllable level. The 9411 added load knocked it down roughly another 0.5V, but also added more noise to the equation. So to summarize, when you get out at longer lead lengths, the effects of signal degration to to crosstalk, capacitive loading etc becomes worse than in my test. In a pattern plane, not so bad, but in a big IMAC thing, watch out. Double up on servos on an extension, worse again. Add higher torque servos, worse again. These are intended as useful guidelines and not absolutes. I still think the margins are uncomfortably low with only a 2.7V receiver output, but maybe Futaba or JR has a different view. Ed _________________________________________________________________ Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the ?I?m a PC? Messenger themepack now. hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Would you post the modification. > > > Orlando Frets > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay > Marshall > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:23 AM > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern > > > Check out woot.com. One day deal for Sandisk Clip 2GB MP3 Player/FM > Radio/Voice Recorder for $16. I got one once before and it is the size of > two postage stamps and ? in thick. I'm going to modify mine it so that I > can > remotely (switch) tell it to play the next voice track for pattern > practice. > > > > > > > Jay Marshall > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of William Birkett Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:27 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern I'd be interested in that modification, too. Hope you'll post it soon. Bill On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:02 PM, ORLANDO FRETS wrote: Jay: That sounds good. Would you post the modification. Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:23 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern Check out woot.com. One day deal for Sandisk Clip 2GB MP3 Player/FM Radio/Voice Recorder for $16. I got one once before and it is the size of two postage stamps and ? in thick. I'm going to modify mine it so that I can remotely (switch) tell it to play the next voice track for pattern practice. Jay Marshall _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kelly.regan2 at verizon.net Thu Nov 27 08:30:59 2008 From: kelly.regan2 at verizon.net (Kelly Regan) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:30:59 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern In-Reply-To: <1F1B0AE5EA38480E91B611F2ED5A46C8@jaysdesktop> References: <1F1B0AE5EA38480E91B611F2ED5A46C8@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: <492ED941.4040203@verizon.net> Are you talking about something like this: http://www.reganspace.com/Planes/index_plane.html Jay Marshall wrote: > > Will do. > > > > */Jay /**/Marshall/* > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of > *William Birkett > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:27 PM > *To:* General pattern discussion > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern > > > > I'd be interested in that modification, too. Hope you'll post it soon. > -- Kelly Regan - www.reganspace.com From wgalligan at att.net Thu Nov 27 08:37:34 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:37:34 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern In-Reply-To: <1F1B0AE5EA38480E91B611F2ED5A46C8@jaysdesktop> References: <1F1B0AE5EA38480E91B611F2ED5A46C8@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: <46DD8E12D4C44F31814ADEBB7473C7C7@WaynePC> I bough two of these off of Woot.com. I see that they are re-manufactured(recycled) they have an "R" stamped on the back of them. At the store these sell for $49.95. The two I got work just fine and you can listen to your favorite FM station too. Holds as much or more music then my wife's I-pod shuffle and that little thang cost $80.00 Wayne Galligan\\ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Marshall To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern Will do. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of William Birkett Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:27 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern I'd be interested in that modification, too. Hope you'll post it soon. Bill On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:02 PM, ORLANDO FRETS wrote: Jay: That sounds good. Would you post the modification. Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:23 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern Check out woot.com. One day deal for Sandisk Clip 2GB MP3 Player/FM Radio/Voice Recorder for $16. I got one once before and it is the size of two postage stamps and ? in thick. I'm going to modify mine it so that I can remotely (switch) tell it to play the next voice track for pattern practice. Jay Marshall _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Thu Nov 27 08:43:36 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:43:36 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern In-Reply-To: <46DD8E12D4C44F31814ADEBB7473C7C7@WaynePC> Message-ID: <3B2FC7CA35584E0D82E8F9446551B7E8@jaysdesktop> That?s the one. The holder will be very simple and won?t require any mod to the recorder. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Wayne Galligan Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 12:37 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern I bough two of these off of Woot.com. I see that they are re-manufactured(recycled) they have an "R" stamped on the back of them. At the store these sell for $49.95. The two I got work just fine and you can listen to your favorite FM station too. Holds as much or more music then my wife's I-pod shuffle and that little thang cost $80.00 Wayne Galligan\\ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Marshall To: 'General pattern discussion' Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern Will do. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of William Birkett Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:27 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern I'd be interested in that modification, too. Hope you'll post it soon. Bill On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:02 PM, ORLANDO FRETS wrote: Jay: That sounds good. Would you post the modification. Orlando Frets -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:23 AM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern Check out woot.com. One day deal for Sandisk Clip 2GB MP3 Player/FM Radio/Voice Recorder for $16. I got one once before and it is the size of two postage stamps and ? in thick. I'm going to modify mine it so that I can remotely (switch) tell it to play the next voice track for pattern practice. Jay Marshall _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _____ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wgalligan at att.net Thu Nov 27 08:48:32 2008 From: wgalligan at att.net (Wayne Galligan) Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:48:32 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern In-Reply-To: <492ED941.4040203@verizon.net> References: <1F1B0AE5EA38480E91B611F2ED5A46C8@jaysdesktop> <492ED941.4040203@verizon.net> Message-ID: I wished all my airplanes had a co-pilot like that. Wouldn't need no recorder to tell me what to do next. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Regan" To: "General pattern discussion" Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 11:30 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern > Are you talking about something like this: > http://www.reganspace.com/Planes/index_plane.html > > > Jay Marshall wrote: >> >> Will do. >> >> >> */Jay /**/Marshall/* >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org >> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *William >> Birkett >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:27 PM >> *To:* General pattern discussion >> *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern >> >> >> I'd be interested in that modification, too. Hope you'll post it soon. >> > > -- > Kelly Regan - www.reganspace.com > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion From gseeling at q.com Fri Nov 28 05:15:54 2008 From: gseeling at q.com (gseeling) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:15:54 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test Message-ID: r we working?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Fri Nov 28 05:33:10 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:33:10 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yep, just fine. Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of gseeling Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 9:16 AM To: NSRCA Mailing List Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] test r we working?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jnhiller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 28 09:53:39 2008 From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:53:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Halco Landing Gear Message-ID: Good morning all. Does anyone know where I can get Halco landing gear? Jim From joddino at socal.rr.com Fri Nov 28 10:52:31 2008 From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:52:31 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern In-Reply-To: <46DD8E12D4C44F31814ADEBB7473C7C7@WaynePC> References: <1F1B0AE5EA38480E91B611F2ED5A46C8@jaysdesktop> <46DD8E12D4C44F31814ADEBB7473C7C7@WaynePC> Message-ID: Wayne for about $2000 you can buy a 14MZ and it has the capability built in. It does a few other things well too. Frustrating to program though. Jim O On Nov 27, 2008, at 9:37 AM, Wayne Galligan wrote: > I bough two of these off of Woot.com. I see that they are re- > manufactured(recycled) they have an "R" stamped on the back of > them. At the store these sell for $49.95. The two I got work just > fine and you can listen to your favorite FM station too. Holds as > much or more music then my wife's I-pod shuffle and that little > thang cost $80.00 > > Wayne Galligan\\ > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Marshall > To: 'General pattern discussion' > Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 6:44 AM > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern > > Will do. > > Jay Marshall > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > ] On Behalf Of William Birkett > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 9:27 PM > To: General pattern discussion > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern > > I'd be interested in that modification, too. Hope you'll post it soon. > > Bill > On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 4:02 PM, ORLANDO FRETS > wrote: > Jay: > That sounds good. Would you post the modification. > > > Orlando Frets > > -----Original Message----- > From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org > [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay > Marshall > Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:23 AM > To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Voice Recorder For Pattern > > > Check out woot.com. One day deal for Sandisk Clip 2GB MP3 Player/FM > Radio/Voice Recorder for $16. I got one once before and it is the > size of > two postage stamps and ? in thick. I'm going to modify mine it so > that I can > remotely (switch) tell it to play the next voice track for pattern > practice. > > > > > > > Jay Marshall > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From vanputte at cox.net Fri Nov 28 12:20:47 2008 From: vanputte at cox.net (Ron Van Putte) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:20:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Halco Landing Gear In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13D8B3D8-C894-4A27-A377-9A95949B9DD5@cox.net> The Hallco landing gear were manufactured in Dayton, OH by Bill Hall, who started the business in the 1960s after local club members kept asking him to make landing gears for them that were like the ones he had on his airplanes. I do not think that Hallco gears are being made/sold any longer. Ron Van Putte On Nov 28, 2008, at 3:42 PM, BC3662 at aol.com wrote: > no > > > > Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rgc1701 at earthlink.net Fri Nov 28 12:39:41 2008 From: rgc1701 at earthlink.net (Robert Campbell) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:39:41 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Halco Landing Gear In-Reply-To: <13D8B3D8-C894-4A27-A377-9A95949B9DD5@cox.net> References: <13D8B3D8-C894-4A27-A377-9A95949B9DD5@cox.net> Message-ID: To add to what Ron said, I believe they were bought out by Great Planes in the early/mid eighties, at least that was the rumor around the Dayton area hobby shops in 1985 and then seemed to have disappeared. I haven't seen a set of Hallco gear in 20 years. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Van Putte To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Halco Landing Gear The Hallco landing gear were manufactured in Dayton, OH by Bill Hall, who started the business in the 1960s after local club members kept asking him to make landing gears for them that were like the ones he had on his airplanes. 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URL: From jnhiller at earthlink.net Fri Nov 28 12:54:50 2008 From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller) Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 21:54:50 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Halco Landing Gear In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I new somebody would have some info. It has been at least 20 years since I used one and I liked it. Nice product! I didn't really want to bend a SIG blank. Maybe I can find an ARF gear that will work. Thanks guys. Jim -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Robert Campbell Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 1:39 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Halco Landing Gear To add to what Ron said, I believe they were bought out by Great Planes in the early/mid eighties, at least that was the rumor around the Dayton area hobby shops in 1985 and then seemed to have disappeared. I haven't seen a set of Hallco gear in 20 years. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Van Putte To: General pattern discussion Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Halco Landing Gear The Hallco landing gear were manufactured in Dayton, OH by Bill Hall, who started the business in the 1960s after local club members kept asking him to make landing gears for them that were like the ones he had on his airplanes. I do not think that Hallco gears are being made/sold any longer. Ron Van Putte On Nov 28, 2008, at 3:42 PM, BC3662 at aol.com wrote: no _____ Life should be easier. So should your homepage. 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You can always change it back via the personal options page for the list. Tom ====================================================================== "Z-80 system stack overflow. Shut 'er down Scotty, the system's sucking mud" - Error message on TRS 80 Model-16B Tom Simes simestd at netexpress.com ====================================================================== From flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net Sat Nov 29 14:04:40 2008 From: flyinbill1 at bellsouth.net (William C. Harden) Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 23:04:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <0KB4004Z58KS0PO6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KB4004Z58KS0PO6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <4D548318995A4C8B97964162F01C7360@bill> Oh my, you keep a flight count. I don't keep count, but I have flown a lot this year although it is primarily sport flying. Nonetheless, good job Scott!! Now get on that simulator!! Ha Ha Bill _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott Smith Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:17 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up Since the list is slow. I'm guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it's just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat's. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know.it's sick I count flights. But that's my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) How many flights/contests did you do this year? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jnhiller at earthlink.net Sat Nov 29 16:08:49 2008 From: jnhiller at earthlink.net (J N Hiller) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:08:49 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <0KB4004Z58KS0PO6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi Scott. Yes the list has been slow. I don't keep records but I think I attended 4 - pattern, 1- soaring and 1- scale contest this past season. Jim Hiller -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Scott Smith Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 2:17 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up Since the list is slow. I'm guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it's just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat's. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know.it's sick I count flights. But that's my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) How many flights/contests did you do this year? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lightfoot at sc.rr.com Sat Nov 29 17:18:39 2008 From: lightfoot at sc.rr.com (Jay Marshall) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 02:18:39 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <0KB4004Z58KS0PO6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2FC1DDBE94E24E90A0E545D6CAE19807@jaysdesktop> With how many planes? Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott Smith Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:17 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up Since the list is slow. I'm guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it's just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat's. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know.it's sick I count flights. But that's my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) How many flights/contests did you do this year? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Sat Nov 29 20:26:40 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 05:26:40 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <497228.85063.qm@web33007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Well, I had around 200 flights this year.. Not including foamies.. Didn't take my gliders out to the slope, didn't finish my Imac plane. Did however finish my 3d plane just recently.. I also happened to throw in 10 pattern contests including the nats. Ummm. Well, edited 12 issues of the Kfactor (wishing I could get more pics and articles from everyone(hint hint), and bought a few new pattern planes. I focused fully on pattern this year and it paid off pretty well. I won the "pattern animal of the year" award here in D7.. I won District Champion in Masters. And 7th at the Nats.. Nats, yeah, I went to my first one.. What an experience that was.. I had so much fun meeting everyone. Still can't believe I made the finals at my first nats.. Can't wait to go again.. Hopefully the economy will pick up so I can.. If you haven't gone to the nats, it's a great experience. I highly recommend you try it.. Come over and hang out with the D7 crew for the most fun!!!!!!!!! What a great year it was!! Chris ? ? ? --- On Sat, 11/29/08, J N Hiller wrote: From: J N Hiller Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Saturday, November 29, 2008, 5:11 PM Hi Scott. Yes the list has been slow. I don't keep records but I think I attended 4 ? pattern, 1- soaring and 1- scale contest this past season. Jim Hiller ? -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Scott Smith Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 2:17 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up ? Since the list is slow? ? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in New England !? So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th.? Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s.? Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights.? But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) ? How many flights/contests did you do this year? ? ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From js.smith at verizon.net Sun Nov 30 03:35:16 2008 From: js.smith at verizon.net (Scott Smith) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 12:35:16 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <2FC1DDBE94E24E90A0E545D6CAE19807@jaysdesktop> Message-ID: <0KB5008M5CAKFNS3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Two. 281 flights on a Prestige A60-20S 123 flights on a Prestige C50-XL14 One motor mount failure on the A60 after a 1 ? down snap. (The ply disk delaminated I was lucky the motor unplugged itself before any real damage was done.) I?ve greased the gear box in the C50 three times and replaced the wheels on the #1 plane (after 374 flights total.) That?s it for maintenance and why I really like the electrics. Oh, and I like the idea of pulling the motor routinely I might have caught the A60 loosening up! Chris, Speaking of slop soaring, have you seen the 371 mph record setting flight? Amazing what Joe and others are doing! (I think he could use some help though in the pitch control department from the likes of DeanP or MattK!) How many G?s you figure that 65# plane is pulling in those turns? http://www.vimeo.com/2375301 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=778363 (long thread but worth the read!) _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:18 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up With how many planes? Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott Smith Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:17 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up Since the list is slow I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know it?s sick I count flights. But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) How many flights/contests did you do this year? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anthonyr105 at hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 06:29:51 2008 From: anthonyr105 at hotmail.com (Anthony Romano) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 15:29:51 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <0KB5008M5CAKFNS3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <2FC1DDBE94E24E90A0E545D6CAE19807@jaysdesktop> <0KB5008M5CAKFNS3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Nice job Scott! You had some good results from all you work too! 227 So far but this mornings snow is not very promising. 52 Vanquish Hacker A30 166 Black Magic V2.2 OS 1.40 9 Genesis AXI 5330 Got somewhat burn out at the end of the season. Five local contest and the Nats the flew a foamy yesterday for the first time since Halloween. Nearly 300 on 'Magic including an engine rebuild, rudder servo, wheels and wheel pants. Probably needs a rear bearing and aileron servos before spring. Hard to compare flights with E power since I routinely fly 14 minutes with this plane. Anthony Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 07:35:05 -0500 From: js.smith at verizon.net To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up Two. 281 flights on a Prestige A60-20S 123 flights on a Prestige C50-XL14 One motor mount failure on the A60 after a 1 ? down snap. (The ply disk delaminated?I was lucky the motor unplugged itself before any real damage was done.) I?ve greased the gear box in the C50 three times and replaced the wheels on the #1 plane (after 374 flights total.) That?s it for maintenance and why I really like the electrics. Oh, and I like the idea of pulling the motor routinely?I might have caught the A60 loosening up! Chris, Speaking of slop soaring, have you seen the 371 mph record setting flight? Amazing what Joe and others are doing! (I think he could use some help though in the pitch control department from the likes of DeanP or MattK!) How many G?s you figure that 65# plane is pulling in those turns? http://www.vimeo.com/2375301 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=778363 (long thread but worth the read!) From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:18 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up With how many planes? Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott Smith Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:17 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up Since the list is slow? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights. But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) How many flights/contests did you do this year? _________________________________________________________________ Access your email online and on the go with Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/Hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_access_112008 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joddino at socal.rr.com Sun Nov 30 07:51:59 2008 From: joddino at socal.rr.com (James Oddino) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 16:51:59 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <0KB4004Z58KS0PO6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KB4004Z58KS0PO6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3D0AA7B6-C195-4E7D-9AFE-8FE7B7B1C00A@socal.rr.com> I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year. Twenty flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the rest were with my Abbra. All electric powered. I did change the motor, a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed. I'm now at 493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels. I also tightened the rudder cables once. I'm constantly tweaking the transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane. I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see improvement in my flying after watching and listening. Practicing alone will not get it done. Jim O On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote: > Since the list is slow? > > I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting > too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with > 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with > three district meets and the Nat?s. Electrics worked very well for > me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. > (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights. But that?s my aviation > upbringing and computer nerd side!) > > How many flights/contests did you do this year? > > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 08:49:37 2008 From: homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com (krishlan fitzsimmons) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:49:37 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <0KB5008M5CAKFNS3@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <152594.9601.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I had only seen the 357 (333 on tape) by Spencer Lisenby? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQoVBvQacwE Holy cow!!!! 371 though....? That's pretty amazing.. Thanks for sending that link Scott!! How do you like that 20S? I have a 24S that I was going to put in my Abbra but never did.. I've seen Jerry Budd have good success with it.. And lots of speed. Chris ? ? ? --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Scott Smith wrote: From: Scott Smith Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:35 AM Two. 281 flights on a Prestige A60-20S 123 flights on a Prestige C50-XL14 ? One motor mount failure on the A60 after a 1 ? down snap.? (The ply disk delaminated?I was lucky the motor unplugged itself before any real damage was done.) I?ve greased the gear box in the C50 three times and replaced the wheels on the #1 plane (after 374 flights total.)? That?s it for maintenance and why I really like the electrics. Oh, and I like the idea of pulling the motor routinely?I might have caught the A60 loosening up! ? Chris,? Speaking of slop soaring, have you seen the 371 mph record setting flight?? Amazing what Joe and others are doing!? (I think he could use some help though in the pitch control department from the likes of DeanP or MattK!) ??How many G?s you figure that 65# plane is pulling in those turns? ? http://www.vimeo.com/2375301 ? http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=778363 (long thread but worth the read!) ?? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:18 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up ? With how many planes? ? Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott Smith Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:17 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up ? Since the list is slow? ? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in New England !? So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th.? Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s.? Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights.? But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) ? How many flights/contests did you do this year? ? ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjm767driver at hotmail.com Sun Nov 30 09:16:27 2008 From: cjm767driver at hotmail.com (Chris M) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:16:27 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Electric Data Message-ID: Hi guys: Since the season is pretty much over for many of us, I have added a battery longevity page to the electric-f3a site to see a quick summary of your battery data. Kind of a snap shot of where your packs stand right now. I have the data submission form at: http://www.electric-f3a.com/Forms/Longevity%20Form.htm And the resulting data will be posted at: http://www.electric-f3a.com/Battery%20Longevity.htm Please take a minute to fill in and submit the form and I will get it posted right away. The data does not auto post as I have to sift through the real data posts and the attempted spam hyperlinks. Thanks to everyone for your submissions to the site so far. If you have not sent in any of the other data or setup forms or submitted your airplane pics, please share with us. The more data we get, the better for us all. Chris From ejhaury at comcast.net Sun Nov 30 09:39:48 2008 From: ejhaury at comcast.net (Earl Haury) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 18:39:48 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <3D0AA7B6-C195-4E7D-9AFE-8FE7B7B1C00A@socal.rr.com> References: <0KB4004Z58KS0PO6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> <3D0AA7B6-C195-4E7D-9AFE-8FE7B7B1C00A@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <1182803C66F2432FAD7A4ACA2ACEA61C@EarlPC> You guys got me interested in counting this year's flights. "Nats" airplane 193, all Hacker C50-14 Comp, "local" airplane 482 & counting, first 297 with Hacker (have 3 Hacker motors over 1250 total - 1 rotor replaced), the last 195 have been with Neu 1515-2Y motor. Clean & grease gears @ 100 flight intervals - no gear problems. All '08 with FlightPower F3A 5350's, no failures and typically 160 useful flights / pack . Servos look good basis measurements with AeroPerfect inclinometer after 500 flights. Before you ask - I don't know if the Neu motor will be available or not. It's a very cool running motor with excellent mid-range power and throttle response, draws 10A or so more than the Hacker C50-14 with the same props (EagleTree in-flight data). More difficult to service - similar to the standard Hacker C50, grease can be added through the hollow prop shaft and may be OK as the planet gear bearings are larger than the Hacker. Certainly an excellent motor and hopefully will be available at some point. Earl Team FlightPower ----- Original Message ----- From: James Oddino To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year. Twenty flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the rest were with my Abbra. All electric powered. I did change the motor, a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed. I'm now at 493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels. I also tightened the rudder cables once. I'm constantly tweaking the transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane. I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see improvement in my flying after watching and listening. Practicing alone will not get it done. Jim O On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote: Since the list is slow? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights. But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) 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Two days at the local field... 3 flights each. ? 2008 Pattern flights were at 21. ? This year I spent dabbling in IMAC... I had a ton of fun and was able to attend 9 contests including Clover Creek Invitational and Tucson. ? 2009... back in the saddle with Pattern and the Masters schedule.. definitely going to have to practice this year. ? Chuck Hochhalter --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Earl Haury wrote: From: Earl Haury Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 6:38 PM You guys got me interested in counting this year's flights. "Nats" airplane 193, all Hacker C50-14 Comp, "local" airplane 482 & counting, first 297 with Hacker (have 3 Hacker motors over 1250 total - 1 rotor replaced), the last 195 have been with Neu 1515-2Y motor. Clean & grease gears @ 100 flight intervals - no gear problems. All '08 with FlightPower F3A 5350's, no failures and typically 160 useful flights / pack . Servos look good basis measurements with AeroPerfect inclinometer?after 500 flights. ? Before you ask - I don't know if the Neu motor will be available or not. It's a very cool running motor with excellent mid-range power and throttle response, draws 10A or so more than the Hacker C50-14 with the same props (EagleTree in-flight data). More difficult to service - similar to the standard Hacker C50, grease can be added through the hollow prop shaft and may be OK as the planet gear bearings are larger than the Hacker. Certainly an excellent motor and hopefully will be available at some point. ? Earl ? Team FlightPower ----- Original Message ----- From: James Oddino To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year. ?Twenty flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the rest were with my Abbra. ?All electric powered. ?I did change the motor, a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed. ?I'm now at 493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels. ?I also tightened the rudder cables once. ?I'm constantly tweaking the transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane. ?? I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see improvement in my flying after watching and listening. ?Practicing alone will not get it done. Jim O On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote: Since the list is slow? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in? New England !? So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th.? Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s.? Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights.? But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) 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URL: From js.smith at verizon.net Sun Nov 30 10:22:04 2008 From: js.smith at verizon.net (Scott Smith) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:22:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <152594.9601.qm@web33008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KB5004ADV4KDMZ4@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> The 20S works and is well matched for a 10# airplane but there?s not much in reserve. Kind of like flying a 140RX; there are times you wish you had a little more. I?m running an 18.1x12 glow prop per DaveL. The C50 (20.5x14e) on the other hand has WAY more pull. It would appear I can?t handle the power however as my better rounds this summer were always with the A60! My oldest pack (TP 5000-10SX v1 purchased 02/07) is at 184 cycles and continues to be my strongest pack. _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of krishlan fitzsimmons Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:50 PM To: General pattern discussion Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up I had only seen the 357 (333 on tape) by Spencer Lisenby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQoVBvQacwE Holy cow!!!! 371 though.... That's pretty amazing.. Thanks for sending that link Scott!! How do you like that 20S? I have a 24S that I was going to put in my Abbra but never did.. I've seen Jerry Budd have good success with it.. And lots of speed. Chris --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Scott Smith wrote: From: Scott Smith Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up To: "'General pattern discussion'" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:35 AM Two. 281 flights on a Prestige A60-20S 123 flights on a Prestige C50-XL14 One motor mount failure on the A60 after a 1 ? down snap. (The ply disk delaminated I was lucky the motor unplugged itself before any real damage was done.) I?ve greased the gear box in the C50 three times and replaced the wheels on the #1 plane (after 374 flights total.) That?s it for maintenance and why I really like the electrics. Oh, and I like the idea of pulling the motor routinely I might have caught the A60 loosening up! Chris, Speaking of slop soaring, have you seen the 371 mph record setting flight? Amazing what Joe and others are doing! (I think he could use some help though in the pitch control department from the likes of DeanP or MattK!) How many G?s you figure that 65# plane is pulling in those turns? http://www.vimeo.com/2375301 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=778363 (long thread but worth the read!) _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Jay Marshall Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:18 PM To: 'General pattern discussion' Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up With how many planes? Jay Marshall -----Original Message----- From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Scott Smith Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 5:17 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up Since the list is slow I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in New England ! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know it?s sick I count flights. But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) How many flights/contests did you do this year? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilsorc at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 12:29:23 2008 From: wilsorc at gmail.com (Bob Wilson) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:29:23 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint Message-ID: <888fdd980811301329w4ec81b4bvcd4b422a2edc697c@mail.gmail.com> I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China. The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing. That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane. Any comments? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available. I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust. Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? Thanks bw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From astafford at swtexas.net Sun Nov 30 12:33:33 2008 From: astafford at swtexas.net (Archie Stafford) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:33:33 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint In-Reply-To: <888fdd980811301329w4ec81b4bvcd4b422a2edc697c@mail.gmail.com> References: <888fdd980811301329w4ec81b4bvcd4b422a2edc697c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: The OS 1.60FX will work great. You can get the wrap around header from Karl Mueller. He will make them custom for each application. I think a lot of guys are running the Aeroslave pipe as well as the Perry pump for the fuel delivery system. The 1.40RX is also a great setup, although down on power from the 1.60. Arch _____ From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Wilson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:59 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China. The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing. That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane. Any comments? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available. I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust. Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? Thanks bw -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilsorc at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 12:42:47 2008 From: wilsorc at gmail.com (Bob Wilson) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:42:47 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint In-Reply-To: References: <888fdd980811301329w4ec81b4bvcd4b422a2edc697c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <888fdd980811301342m5f2ced48jb37ae669f3813480@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Arch, I'd like to use the 160FX. Does Karl Mueller or Aeroslave have a website? I googled them both and wasn't too successful. Bob On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Archie Stafford wrote: > The OS 1.60FX will work great. You can get the wrap around header from > Karl Mueller. He will make them custom for each application. I think a lot > of guys are running the Aeroslave pipe as well as the Perry pump for the > fuel delivery system. The 1.40RX is also a great setup, although down on > power from the 1.60. > > > > Arch > > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto: > nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Wilson > *Sent:* Monday, December 01, 2008 1:59 AM > *To:* General pattern discussion > *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint > > > > I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a > friend that made periodic trips to China. The airplane is brand new and the > damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse was unbonded and I had to > strip the whole thing. That's done, and now I'm getting ready to > recover...no problem. > > > > I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane. Any > comments? > > > > Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a > header and pipe is available. I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 > is available as a rear exhaust. Where would I go to get the necessary > header and pipe for the 160? > > > > Thanks > > bw > > _______________________________________________ > NSRCA-discussion mailing list > NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org > http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From d_bodary at yahoo.com Sun Nov 30 12:49:20 2008 From: d_bodary at yahoo.com (Dennis Bodary) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:49:20 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint In-Reply-To: <888fdd980811301342m5f2ced48jb37ae669f3813480@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <302073.74814.qm@web51701.mail.re2.yahoo.com> "www.aeroslave.com" --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Bob Wilson wrote: From: Bob Wilson Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:42 PM Thanks Arch, I'd like to use the 160FX. Does Karl Mueller or Aeroslave have a website?? I googled them both and wasn't too successful. ? Bob On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 3:33 PM, Archie Stafford wrote: The OS 1.60FX will work great.? You can get the wrap around header from Karl Mueller.? He will make them custom for each application.? I think a lot of guys are running the Aeroslave pipe as well as the Perry pump for the fuel delivery system.? The 1.40RX is also a great setup, although down on power from the 1.60. ? Arch ? ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Bob Wilson Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:59 AM To: General pattern discussion Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint ? I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China.? The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse?was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing.? That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. ? I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane.? Any comments? ? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available.? I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust.? Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? ? Thanks bw _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpavlick at idseng.com Sun Nov 30 12:51:08 2008 From: jpavlick at idseng.com (John Pavlick) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:51:08 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint References: <888fdd980811301329w4ec81b4bvcd4b422a2edc697c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <008001c95335$afbb4e70$9501a8c0@GW7422> Bob, I've flown a few Icepoints with the OS 160 - great setup for that airplane even though they don't come in a rear-exhaust version. That's easily fixed with a wraparound header. Karl Mueller will makeone for you, Just tell him which airplane and engine you have. Here's his Email address: kgamueller at rogers.com There's an aluminum pipe somewhere that is a copy of the MACS 1092 that I've used - works great and it's very inexpensive. Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought mine from - it was a while ago. The MACS aluminum pipe is good too and they last forever. Carbon pipes are a little fragile and they're more expensive but thay are very light. I'm using Aeroslave (carbon) pipes now and haven't had any problems with any of the second generation ones. Good luck with the new airplane! John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Wilson To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China. The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing. That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane. Any comments? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available. I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust. Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? Thanks bw ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rcmaster199 at aol.com Sun Nov 30 12:59:01 2008 From: rcmaster199 at aol.com (rcmaster199 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 21:59:01 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <3D0AA7B6-C195-4E7D-9AFE-8FE7B7B1C00A@socal.rr.com> References: <3D0AA7B6-C195-4E7D-9AFE-8FE7B7B1C00A@socal.rr.com> Message-ID: <8CB214DF540BE0B-1078-2847@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> That's several folks I have heard who changed wheels after?a couple hundred?flights.?Suggestion for youse.....?If you lined the foam initially with a thin layer of bicycle inner tube (ca'd on), your wheels (the foam) will last much longer.?Maybe 5 or 6X?if you fly off pavement. This tid bit ought to make Van Putte smile ? On flying, I count flights too as Scott is. My Temptress saw about 39 flights this year (3 gallons +). And we did fly in one whole pattern contest...woweee!!! Seven flights there alone. Temptress has just completed her 6th season, some 1500 flights in that span, 75% of which came in her first 3 seasons in Fla. Been in NJ for?3 seasons with a grand total of about 350 flights. Oh well. I've met some great folks though.... ? I also got to fly grandson Cason's Vapor about 40X and his foam glider (EZ Star?) about 15X. And his CX2 about?3 dozen times before breaking the rotor blades. Cason is 4 and loves flying as long as Pappou (that's me) does the flying. But hey, he drives his little RC cars and trucks so it's a matter of time before he competes for stick time ? On the Vapor, this has to be the easiest to fly trainer ever made. My son Isaac actually loves to fly it. I've been trying to get the boy to fly with me for 15 years with no practical success and along comes the Vapor and makes it so easy. I am pleased!! ? MattK -----Original Message----- From: James Oddino <joddino at socal.rr.com> To: General pattern discussion <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org> Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:51 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year. ?Twenty flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the rest were with my Abbra. ?All electric powered. ?I did change the motor, a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed. ?I'm now at 493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels. ?I also tightened the rudder cables once. ?I'm constantly tweaking the transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane. ?? I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see improvement in my flying after watching and listening. ?Practicing alone will not get it done. Jim O On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote: Since the list is slow? ? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in?New England!? So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th.? Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s.? Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights.? But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) ? How many flights/contests did you do this year? ? ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion = _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob at koolsoft.com Sun Nov 30 14:20:04 2008 From: rob at koolsoft.com (Robert L. Beaubien) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:20:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up In-Reply-To: <8CB214DF540BE0B-1078-2847@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> References: <3D0AA7B6-C195-4E7D-9AFE-8FE7B7B1C00A@socal.rr.com> <8CB214DF540BE0B-1078-2847@WEBMAIL-DY01.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: It's been my first full year flying pattern. 2 planes, 7 contests, 150+ flights, and 2nd place in district championship points. All in all, not a bad start. I've learned a lot, had some fun, and met a lot of neat people. My flying has improved drastically, thanx to practice and a LOT of help from Troy. Moving up to Intermediate in the last contest was a lot of fun and it should be challenging next year. I'm down right now to send in my 12z for its 2 year service and work on my new Black Mamba. My goal is to start flying the BM starting at the February Phoenix contest (assuming I get it finished). I also hope to attend NATS for the first time. It's been a good year. - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:59 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up That's several folks I have heard who changed wheels after a couple hundred flights. Suggestion for youse..... If you lined the foam initially with a thin layer of bicycle inner tube (ca'd on), your wheels (the foam) will last much longer. Maybe 5 or 6X if you fly off pavement. This tid bit ought to make Van Putte smile On flying, I count flights too as Scott is. My Temptress saw about 39 flights this year (3 gallons +). And we did fly in one whole pattern contest...woweee!!! Seven flights there alone. Temptress has just completed her 6th season, some 1500 flights in that span, 75% of which came in her first 3 seasons in Fla. Been in NJ for 3 seasons with a grand total of about 350 flights. Oh well. I've met some great folks though.... I also got to fly grandson Cason's Vapor about 40X and his foam glider (EZ Star?) about 15X. And his CX2 about 3 dozen times before breaking the rotor blades. Cason is 4 and loves flying as long as Pappou (that's me) does the flying. But hey, he drives his little RC cars and trucks so it's a matter of time before he competes for stick time On the Vapor, this has to be the easiest to fly trainer ever made. My son Isaac actually loves to fly it. I've been trying to get the boy to fly with me for 15 years with no practi cal success and along comes the Vapor and makes it so easy. I am pleased!! MattK -----Original Message----- From: James Oddino To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:51 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year. Twenty flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the rest were with my Abbra. All electric powered. I did change the motor, a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed. I'm now at 493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels. I also tightened the rudder cables once. I'm constantly tweaking the transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane. I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see improvement in my flying after watching and listening. Practicing alone will not get it done. Jim O On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote: Since the list is slow? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights. But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) How many flights/contests did you do this year? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion = _________________________________ ______________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ________________________________ Tis the season to save your money! 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My flying has improved drastically, thanx to practice and a LOT of help from Troy.? Moving up to Intermediate in the last contest was a lot of fun and it should be challenging next year.? ? I'm down right now to send in my 12z for its 2 year service and work on my new Black Mamba. My goal is to start flying the BM starting at the February Phoenix contest (assuming I get it finished).? I also hope to attend NATS for the first time. ? It's been a good year. ? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:59 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up ? That's several folks I have heard who changed wheels after?a couple hundred?flights.?Suggestion for youse.....?If you lined the foam initially with a thin layer of bicycle inner tube (ca'd on), your wheels (the foam) will last much longer.?Maybe 5 or 6X?if you fly off pavement. This tid bit ought to make Van Putte smile ? On flying, I count flights too as Scott is. My Temptress saw about 39 flights this year (3 gallons +). And we did fly in one whole pattern contest...woweee!!! Seven flights there alone. Temptress has just completed her 6th season, some 1500 flights in that span, 75% of which came in her first 3 seasons in Fla. Been in NJ for?3 seasons with a grand total of about 350 flights. Oh well. I've met some great folks though.... ? I also got to fly grandson Cason's Vapor about 40X and his foam glider (EZ Star?) about 15X. And his CX2 about?3 dozen times before breaking the rotor blades. Cason is 4 and loves flying as long as Pappou (that's me) does the flying. But hey, he drives his little RC cars and trucks so it's a matter of time before he competes for stick time ? On the Vapor, this has to be the easiest to fly trainer ever made. My son Isaac actually loves to fly it. I've been trying to get the boy to fly with me for 15 years with no practi cal success and along comes the Vapor and makes it so easy. I am pleased!! ? MattK ? ? -----Original Message----- From: James Oddino To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:51 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year. ?Twenty flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the rest were with my Abbra. ?All electric powered. ?I did change the motor, a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed. ?I'm now at 493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels. ?I also tightened the rudder cables once. ?I'm constantly tweaking the transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane. ?? I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see improvement in my flying after watching and listening. ?Practicing alone will not get it done. ? Jim O ? ? On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote: Since the list is slow? ? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in?New England!? So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th.? Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s.? Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights.? But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) ? How many flights/contests did you do this year? ? ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ? = _______________________________________________? NSRCA-discussion mailing list? NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? ? Tis the season to save your money! 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Mike Shih --- On Sun, 11/30/08, John Pavlick wrote: From: John Pavlick Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:50 PM Bob, ?I've flown a few Icepoints with the OS 160 - great setup for that airplane even though they don't come in a rear-exhaust version. That's easily fixed with a wraparound header. Karl Mueller will makeone for you, Just tell him which airplane and engine you have. Here's his Email address: kgamueller at rogers.comThere's an aluminum pipe somewhere that is a copy of the MACS 1092 that I've used - works great and it's very inexpensive. Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought mine from -?it was a while ago. The MACS aluminum pipe is good too and they last forever. Carbon pipes are a little fragile and they're more expensive but thay are very light. I'm using Aeroslave (carbon) pipes now and haven't had any problems with any of the second generation ones. Good luck with the new airplane! ? John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Wilson To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China.? The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse?was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing.? That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. ? I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane.? Any comments? ? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available.? I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust.? Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? ? 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I seem to remember the original Icepoint setup was hardwood or plywood rails in the engine compartment for a hard mount scheme. The Hyde mount is much better. I'm sure someone else on the list can give us some details on how to put one of these in an Icepoint... John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: shih mike To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint Hi John, What engine mount you used for OS160 on icepoint? Is the rail type floting mount? Or you just hard mount it? Thanks very much Mike Shih --- On Sun, 11/30/08, John Pavlick wrote: From: John Pavlick Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:50 PM Bob, I've flown a few Icepoints with the OS 160 - great setup for that airplane even though they don't come in a rear-exhaust version. That's easily fixed with a wraparound header. Karl Mueller will makeone for you, Just tell him which airplane and engine you have. Here's his Email address: kgamueller at rogers.com There's an aluminum pipe somewhere that is a copy of the MACS 1092 that I've used - works great and it's very inexpensive. Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought mine from - it was a while ago. The MACS aluminum pipe is good too and they last forever. Carbon pipes are a little fragile and they're more expensive but thay are very light. I'm using Aeroslave (carbon) pipes now and haven't had any problems with any of the second generation ones. Good luck with the new airplane! John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Wilson To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China. The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing. That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane. Any comments? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available. I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust. Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? 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I'm sure someone else on the list can give us some details on how to put one of these in an Icepoint... John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: shih mike To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint Hi John, What engine mount you used for OS160 on icepoint? Is the rail type floting mount? Or you just hard mount it? Thanks very much Mike Shih --- On Sun, 11/30/08, John Pavlick wrote: From: John Pavlick Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:50 PM Bob, I've flown a few Icepoints with the OS 160 - great setup for that airplane even though they don't come in a rear-exhaust version. That's easily fixed with a wraparound header. Karl Mueller will makeone for you, Just tell him which airplane and engine you have. Here's his Email address: kgamueller at rogers.com There's an aluminum pipe somewhere that is a copy of the MACS 1092 that I've used - works great and it's very inexpensive. Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought mine from - it was a while ago. The MACS aluminum pipe is good too and they last forever. Carbon pipes are a little fragile and they're more expensive but thay are very light. I'm using Aeroslave (carbon) pipes now and haven't had any problems with any of the second generation ones. Good luck with the new airplane! John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Wilson To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China. The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing. That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane. Any comments? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available. I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust. Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? 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I don't actually own an Icepoint, I've just flown a few that other people have. I think you have to do some mods to make the Hyde mount work. I seem to remember the original Icepoint setup was hardwood or plywood rails in the engine compartment for a hard mount scheme. The Hyde mount is much better. I'm sure someone else on the list can give us some details on how to put one of these in an Icepoint... John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: shih mike To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint Hi John, What engine mount you used for OS160 on icepoint? Is the rail type floting mount? Or you just hard mount it? Thanks very much Mike Shih --- On Sun, 11/30/08, John Pavlick wrote: From: John Pavlick Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:50 PM Bob, I've flown a few Icepoints with the OS 160 - great setup for that airplane even though they don't come in a rear-exhaust version. That's easily fixed with a wraparound header. Karl Mueller will makeone for you, Just tell him which airplane and engine you have. Here's his Email address: kgamueller at rogers.com There's an aluminum pipe somewhere that is a copy of the MACS 1092 that I've used - works great and it's very inexpensive. Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought mine from - it was a while ago. The MACS aluminum pipe is good too and they last forever. Carbon pipes are a little fragile and they're more expensive but thay are very light. I'm using Aeroslave (carbon) pipes now and haven't had any problems with any of the second generation ones. Good luck with the new airplane! John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Wilson To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China. The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing. That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane. Any comments? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available. I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust. Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? 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URL: From mjfrederick at cox.net Sun Nov 30 18:23:13 2008 From: mjfrederick at cox.net (Matthew Frederick) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 03:23:13 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up References: <0KB4004Z58KS0PO6@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <491D91D96E1F49D093F37621B31DD4FC@Mattmobile> Let's see... My year in review goes something like this: After about 10 flights on my genesis in March, I lost radio contact 1 minute into flight 11, Genesis committed Genecide. Worked my butt off most of the season trying to get my Quest going, but it didn't look like it was going to happen this year, so with 2 contests left in the season I purchased a Patriot 3D. Made it to the final two contests, the first of which was attended with only one flight on the Patriot. Oh, throw in a major hurricane, two weeks without power, and having to rebuild the canopy at our field. This will definitely be a year to forget. Total flights: Genesis - 11.1 Patriot 3D- 25 Quest - Not yet, but the year ain't over Prognosis for next year: Not great, I think I'll be moving up to Advanced. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Smith To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:17 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up Since the list is slow. I'm guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it's just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat's. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know.it's sick I count flights. But that's my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) 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Chris --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Robert L. Beaubien wrote: From: Robert L. Beaubien Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 3:20 PM It's been my first full year flying pattern. 2 planes, 7 contests, 150+ flights, and 2nd place in district championship points. All in all, not a bad start. I've learned a lot, had some fun, and met a lot of neat people. My flying has improved drastically, thanx to practice and a LOT of help from Troy. Moving up to Intermediate in the last contest was a lot of fun and it should be challenging next year. I'm down right now to send in my 12z for its 2 year service and work on my new Black Mamba. My goal is to start flying the BM starting at the February Phoenix contest (assuming I get it finished). I also hope to attend NATS for the first time. It's been a good year. - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:59 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up That's several folks I have heard who changed wheels after a couple hundred flights. Suggestion for youse..... If you lined the foam initially with a thin layer of bicycle inner tube (ca'd on), your wheels (the foam) will last much longer. Maybe 5 or 6X if you fly off pavement. This tid bit ought to make Van Putte smile On flying, I count flights too as Scott is. My Temptress saw about 39 flights this year (3 gallons +). And we did fly in one whole pattern contest...woweee!!! Seven flights there alone. Temptress has just completed her 6th season, some 1500 flights in that span, 75% of which came in her first 3 seasons in Fla. Been in NJ for 3 seasons with a grand total of about 350 flights. Oh well. I've met some great folks though.... I also got to fly grandson Cason's Vapor about 40X and his foam glider (EZ Star?) about 15X. And his CX2 about 3 dozen times before breaking the rotor blades. Cason is 4 and loves flying as long as Pappou (that's me) does the flying. But hey, he drives his little RC cars and trucks so it's a matter of time before he competes for stick time On the Vapor, this has to be the easiest to fly trainer ever made. My son Isaac actually loves to fly it. I've been trying to get the boy to fly with me for 15 years with no practi cal success and along comes the Vapor and makes it so easy. I am pleased!! MattK -----Original Message----- From: James Oddino To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:51 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year. Twenty flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the rest were with my Abbra. All electric powered. I did change the motor, a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed. I'm now at 493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels. I also tightened the rudder cables once. I'm constantly tweaking the transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane. I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see improvement in my flying after watching and listening. Practicing alone will not get it done. Jim O On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote: Since the list is slow? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in New England! So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th. Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s. Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights. But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) How many flights/contests did you do this year? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion = _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Tis the season to save your money! 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Mike Shih --- On Sun, 11/30/08, Ed Alt wrote: From: Ed Alt Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint To: "General pattern discussion" , hcshih8 at yahoo.com Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:04 PM Forgot to mention - it was with a Hyde A mount and it was a lot of work to hog out the rails and add a firewall.? Not so sure I would recomend going to all that trouble. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Alt To: General pattern discussion ; hcshih8 at yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint I did this on an Icepoint that I briefly owned.? There's an RCU thread somewhere in the Pattern topic area. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Pavlick To: hcshih8 at yahoo.com ; General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint Hyde ARIA - the type with the integrated nose ring. I don't actually own an Icepoint, I've just flown a few that other people have. I think you have to do some mods to make the Hyde mount work. I seem to remember the original Icepoint setup was hardwood or plywood rails in the engine compartment for a hard mount scheme. The Hyde mount is much better. I'm sure someone else on the list can give us some details on how to put one of these in an Icepoint... ? John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ? ----- Original Message ----- From: shih mike To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint Hi John, ? What engine mount you used for OS160 on icepoint? Is the rail type floting mount?? Or you just hard mount it? Thanks very much ? Mike Shih --- On Sun, 11/30/08, John Pavlick wrote: From: John Pavlick Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint To: "General pattern discussion" Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:50 PM Bob, ?I've flown a few Icepoints with the OS 160 - great setup for that airplane even though they don't come in a rear-exhaust version. That's easily fixed with a wraparound header. Karl Mueller will makeone for you, Just tell him which airplane and engine you have. Here's his Email address: kgamueller at rogers.comThere's an aluminum pipe somewhere that is a copy of the MACS 1092 that I've used - works great and it's very inexpensive. Unfortunately I can't remember where I bought mine from -?it was a while ago. The MACS aluminum pipe is good too and they last forever. Carbon pipes are a little fragile and they're more expensive but thay are very light. I'm using Aeroslave (carbon) pipes now and haven't had any problems with any of the second generation ones. Good luck with the new airplane! ? John Pavlick http://www.idseng.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Wilson To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:29 PM Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a friend that made periodic trips to China.? The airplane is brand new and the damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse?was unbonded and I had to strip the whole thing.? That's done, and now I'm getting ready to recover...no problem. ? I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane.? Any comments? ? Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a header and pipe is available.? I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 is available as a rear exhaust.? Where would I go to get the necessary header and pipe for the 160? ? 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All in all, not a bad start.? I've learned a lot, had some fun, and met a lot of neat people.? My flying has improved drastically, thanx to practice and a LOT of help from Troy.? Moving up to Intermediate in the last contest was a lot of fun and it should be challenging next year.? ? I'm down right now to send in my 12z for its 2 year service and work on my new Black Mamba. My goal is to start flying the BM starting at the February Phoenix contest (assuming I get it finished).? I also hope to attend NATS for the first time. ? It's been a good year. ? - Robert Beaubien - NSRCA, District 7 Webmaster - ? From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of rcmaster199 at aol.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:59 PM To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up ? That's several folks I have heard who changed wheels after?a couple hundred?flights.?Suggestion for youse.....?If you lined the foam initially with a thin layer of bicycle inner tube (ca'd on), your wheels (the foam) will last much longer.?Maybe 5 or 6X?if you fly off pavement. This tid bit ought to make Van Putte smile ? On flying, I count flights too as Scott is. My Temptress saw about 39 flights this year (3 gallons +). And we did fly in one whole pattern contest...woweee!!! Seven flights there alone. Temptress has just completed her 6th season, some 1500 flights in that span, 75% of which came in her first 3 seasons in Fla. Been in NJ for?3 seasons with a grand total of about 350 flights. Oh well. I've met some great folks though.... ? I also got to fly grandson Cason's Vapor about 40X and his foam glider (EZ Star?) about 15X. And his CX2 about?3 dozen times before breaking the rotor blades. Cason is 4 and loves flying as long as Pappou (that's me) does the flying. But hey, he drives his little RC cars and trucks so it's a matter of time before he competes for stick time ? On the Vapor, this has to be the easiest to fly trainer ever made. My son Isaac actually loves to fly it. I've been trying to get the boy to fly with me for 15 years with no practi cal success and along comes the Vapor and makes it so easy. I am pleased!! ? MattK ? ? -----Original Message----- From: James Oddino To: General pattern discussion Sent: Sun, 30 Nov 2008 11:51 am Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] 2008 Season wrap-up I'm not finished yet but I'm only at 259 flights this year. ?Twenty flights were testing my new 14MZ and 2.4GHz modules in January, and the rest were with my Abbra. ?All electric powered. ?I did change the motor, a DualSky 6360, at flight 422 on the Abbra, thinking the bearings were getting noisey but they really didn't need to be changed. ?I'm now at 493 flights and I think I'm on my fourth set of wheels. ?I also tightened the rudder cables once. ?I'm constantly tweaking the transmitter as there isn't much to do on the plane. ?? I only got to three contests all late in the year, but I did see improvement in my flying after watching and listening. ?Practicing alone will not get it done. ? Jim O ? ? On Nov 29, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Scott Smith wrote: Since the list is slow? ? I?m guessing I flew my last flight for 2008 today; it?s just getting too cold here in?New England!? So barring a warm spell, I ended with 404 flights since April 17th.? Contests were a little light with three district meets and the Nat?s.? Electrics worked very well for me with battery cost currently at $2.91 per flight. (I know, I know?it?s sick I count flights.? But that?s my aviation upbringing and computer nerd side!) ? How many flights/contests did you do this year? ? ? _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion ? = _______________________________________________? NSRCA-discussion mailing list? NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org? http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion? ? Tis the season to save your money! Get the new AOL Holiday Toolbar for money saving offers and gift ideas. _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion _______________________________________________ NSRCA-discussion mailing list NSRCA-discussion at lists.nsrca.org http://lists.nsrca.org/mailman/listinfo/nsrca-discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wilsorc at gmail.com Sun Nov 30 19:00:04 2008 From: wilsorc at gmail.com (Bob Wilson) Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 04:00:04 -0000 Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint In-Reply-To: <741092.93298.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <741092.93298.qm@web36506.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <888fdd980811302000x38036ccaof2ed219bc8b9fbdd@mail.gmail.com> Wow! Good information. If anyone has any other ideas on a mount let me know. Bob Wilson On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 9:36 PM, shih mike wrote: > Thanks a lot Guys !! > I will look up the RCU thread. > > Mike Shih > > > --- On *Sun, 11/30/08, Ed Alt * wrote: > > From: Ed Alt > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint > To: "General pattern discussion" , > hcshih8 at yahoo.com > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 10:04 PM > > > Forgot to mention - it was with a Hyde A mount and it was a lot of work > to hog out the rails and add a firewall. Not so sure I would recomend going > to all that trouble. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ed Alt > *To:* General pattern discussion ; > hcshih8 at yahoo.com > *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:00 PM > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint > > I did this on an Icepoint that I briefly owned. There's an RCU thread > somewhere in the Pattern topic area. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* John Pavlick > *To:* hcshih8 at yahoo.com ; General pattern discussion > *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint > > Hyde ARIA - the type with the integrated nose ring. I don't actually own an > Icepoint, I've just flown a few that other people have. I think you have to > do some mods to make the Hyde mount work. I seem to remember the original > Icepoint setup was hardwood or plywood rails in the engine compartment for a > hard mount scheme. The Hyde mount is much better. I'm sure someone else on > the list can give us some details on how to put one of these in an > Icepoint... > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* shih mike > *To:* General pattern discussion > *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2008 7:11 PM > *Subject:* Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint > > Hi John, > > What engine mount you used for OS160 on icepoint? > Is the rail type floting mount? Or you just hard mount it? > Thanks very much > > Mike Shih > > --- On *Sun, 11/30/08, John Pavlick * wrote: > > From: John Pavlick > Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint > To: "General pattern discussion" > Date: Sunday, November 30, 2008, 4:50 PM > > Bob, > I've flown a few Icepoints with the OS 160 - great setup for that airplane > even though they don't come in a rear-exhaust version. That's easily fixed > with a wraparound header. Karl Mueller will makeone for you, Just tell him > which airplane and engine you have. Here's his Email address: > kgamueller at rogers.com > There's an aluminum pipe somewhere that is a copy of the MACS 1092 that > I've used - works great and it's very inexpensive. Unfortunately I can't > remember where I bought mine from - it was a while ago. The MACS aluminum > pipe is good too and they last forever. Carbon pipes are a little fragile > and they're more expensive but thay are very light. I'm using Aeroslave > (carbon) pipes now and haven't had any problems with any of the second > generation ones. Good luck with the new airplane! > > John Pavlick > http://www.idseng.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bob Wilson > *To:* General pattern discussion > *Sent:* Sunday, November 30, 2008 4:29 PM > *Subject:* [NSRCA-discussion] Icepoint > > I recently picked up a slightly, damaged in shipment, "Icepoint" from a > friend that made periodic trips to China. The airplane is brand new and the > damage was minor, but the covering on the fuse was unbonded and I had to > strip the whole thing. That's done, and now I'm getting ready to > recover...no problem. > > I'd like to put either a O.S. 140 or O.S. 160 on this airplane. Any > comments? > > Also, I notice that the O.S. 140 comes in a rear exhaust version, and a > header and pipe is available. I doesn't appear, however, that the O.S.160 > is available as a rear exhaust. 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