[NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker about who can use the list

krishlan fitzsimmons homeremodeling2003 at yahoo.com
Mon May 12 20:43:21 AKDT 2008 

Jeremy, 

I can see where you guys could come up with that. Jim is obviously our Secretary and I believe ( I could be wrong, but I don't think so) that he is doing this in a friendly way to try to get people to join.. I think through email, it could come off as the wrong tone or something. 
Know this, those of us that work with the Nsrca are really trying to get new members.. John Konneker is really working hard at getting new advertisers, and I am working hard at making the Kfactor something more enjoyable to all. We do this for free. As we care.. I'm sure Jim will chime in. I just thought I would mention that I don't think he means it in a bad way.. Just trying to drum up new members.. Maybe it's not the place for it.. 

I think this email list should be for anyone also.. Just as RCU or RCG are.. Lots lurking, few speaking, lot's learning... 

Thanks for your article a few months ago.. Any time for a new one? 

See. Always trying to drum up business.. lol

Chris

JEREMY CHINN <lagrue at hotmail.com> wrote:    .hmmessage P { margin:0px; padding:0px } body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma }   Jim et al, as a guy who is terribly interested in flying pattern this season and becoming a member of the NSRCA, your idea and attitude initially turns me off to the organization. 
  
 However, I'll temper that idea or feeling with the fact that every good organization will have people who feel the way or act as you have. IE, my hope and belief is that not everyone thinks as you do. 
  
 I've managed to be part of this hobby for over 25 years and always subscribed to the idea that sharing knowledge gets me more in return than I could ever offer and often helps me make great new friends and as an extension of that thought, an organization can benefit in the same way - new members, new enthusiasm are gotten by free sharing of information and ideas.
  
 FWIW, one other thought to consider- there are always many more listening/lurking than speaking/typing. So how many people might you have run off now? Many won't tell you about it, they'll just go. 
  
 Time to get back to my shop and finish tuning up my new vacuum bagging system so I can bag my new pattern plane wings next week. 
  
 Sincerely, a non-NSRCA member who subscribes to and learns from this list. 
  
 Jeremy Chinn
 

 
  
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 From: pcosky at comcast.net
To: nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org
Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 22:37:24 -0400
Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Let us bicker about who can use the list

  Then make the list members only if you would rather close the gates instead of build bridges. If one wanted to make sure only members were able to glean any knowledge from the NSRCA I guess we shouldn't hand out KFs to people who are not members nor even have a booth at a show like Toledo.
  
 I'm with Dowayne and Ken.
  
 FYI - I subscribed to the list before I became a member and it was the general helpfulness of the general populace on this list that made me decide to join. After all you do not have to be an NSRCA member to fly in a pattern meet. 
  
 Can we now get back to discussing the hobby we all enjoy instead of making this an US and THEM debate?
  
  
 ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Steven Maxwell 
 To: General pattern discussion 
 Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 9:50 PM
 Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in Canada
 

 I have to disagree I have seen this list been abrused many times by people that have never been NASRCA members. I tyhink it's time someone does watch the list. My hats off to Jim.

DoWayne Gould <iflyrc24 at gmail.com> wrote:    .ExternalClass .EC_shape {;}       .ExternalClass p.EC_MsoNormal, .ExternalClass li.EC_MsoNormal, .ExternalClass div.EC_MsoNormal {margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} .ExternalClass a:link, .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass a:visited, .ExternalClass span.EC_MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} .ExternalClass p {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:12.0pt;font-family:'Times New Roman';} .ExternalClass span.EC_EmailStyle18 {font-family:Tahoma;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} @page Section1 {size:8.5in 11.0in;} .ExternalClass div.EC_Section1 {page:Section1;}     I have to agree Ken. I don’t understand the strong arm tactics. Is this the way to get new members to join the NSRCA? I don’t think a public brow beating is good for anyone. If it keeps up you can count
 me out next year at renewal time. I don’t agree with it, I don’t care to have it done to me and I don’t like seeing anyone else getting it!
 Dowayne
  
   
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 From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken Thompson
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 7:02 PM
To: jaqfly at prodigy.net; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in Canada

  
  That's kinda' harsh isn't it Jim?

   ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: Jim Quinn 

  To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca ; General pattern discussion 

  Sent: Monday, May 12, 2008 11:25 AM

  Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in Canada

   

  Colin, Why do you keep coming to us (NSRCA) for help but refuse to join our membership? It makes no sense to me.

   

  Jim Quinn

colin chariandy <cchariandy at yahoo.ca> wrote:

       Will the KAVAN in 12V gell cell work?

   

  Colin.

--- On Mon, 5/12/08, Mark Atwood <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com> wrote:

  From: Mark Atwood <atwoodm at paragon-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Starters for YS in Canada
To: cchariandy at yahoo.ca, "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Received: Monday, May 12, 2008, 9:50 AM
  I’ve been using the Kavan for years.  No problems.  It’s currently starting my 1.60 and 1.70DZ’s    Can’t comment on the others, as to whether they are better or not, but the Kavan will work just fine.

-Mark


On 5/12/08 9:39 AM, "colin chariandy" <cchariandy at yahoo.ca> wrote:
 Hi all  I tried to start my DZ with a regular, non-geared 12V Sullivan starter yesterday...no joy.  I know guys are running geared staters from B&P and PAM, but I can't find starters like those in Canada.  My options at the LHS are KAVAN and Sullivan Dynatron.  The KAVAN is really compact...but can it turn over a 170? And the Dynatron....I guess I can use it in the weight room after flying.  Can you advise which is more commonly used and functions better?  Of course if there are other options the Canadians can chime in.  Thanks much Colin.     
 
  
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