[NSRCA-discussion] Interesting

Sat Mar 29 17:23:29 AKDT 2008

Rex,

We are building a plant at ORNL (Oak Ridge National Lab).  As we know ORNL is the premier energy research institution.  The plan will meet all the EPA requirements.  We are installing an ESP (Electrostatic Precipitator) and SCR to control NOX.  Burning alcohol is too expensive for this application.  Around $30/MMBtu.   

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Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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From: Rex <trexlesh at msn.com> 
Oh, you can't do that...  The EPA will be all over you!  Too much particulate matter from the burner exhaust!  Now if you are
burning alcohol, not a problem...  unfortunately, Alcohol is what you are trying to produce...  It's a vicious circle
I saw a report a few years back about flying R/C using alcohol...  the report concluded that our hobby actually helped the
ozone layer.  The oils that are burning are negligible, and are mostly synthetic, so they don't hurt the environment.
Maybe the EPA employee that did the study, flies R/C...  lol

Rex

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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 21:55:01 +0000
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We are selling wood to Europe as a fuel for biomass plants there and we are using oil and gas here.   Fuel oil and natural gas are more expensive.  After correcting for boiler efficiencies the wood cost around $5-6/MMBtu.  Fuel oil and gas is around $10-15/MMBtu.  I think we could figure this out easy....

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Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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From: "Matthew Frederick" <mjfrederick at cox.net> 

Funny stuff, Rex. My brother was a timber buyer for Weyerhauser for about 10 years before deciding to join the Jesuits, and he dealt with the same kind of ignorance all the time. One thing many people don't realize is that there are more trees on the planet now than there has ever been (thanks totally to the timber industry), and that all these "old growth" forests people always complain about cutting down really aren't doing anyone any good other than being aesthetically pleasing... old trees consume more oxygen than they produce! He told me recently on average, a tree will begin doing that after 15-20 years.

Matt
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From: Rex 
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I'm glad to hear the mention of wood....  I've been falling timber for twenty years or so.
You wouldn't believe the range of comments I get from people.  A while back, I was coming
out of one of the local stores, in my work garb...  next to the market is one of these "back
to nature" type stores that ships worldwide.  They had just expanded by about 50,000 sq. ft....
One of their employees made a comment to me about wondering why I still had a job, killing
our forests...  I asked her if she liked working in that new building?  And, did she notice the
brand on the lumber used in building the space she loved so much?  Then I told her that I cut
the timber that made the lumber used in her building...  Then I told her she was welcome, and 
walked off!  She looked like a deer in the headlights!

Rex

From: vicenterc at comcast.net
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Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 20:10:40 +0000
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Wood is considered carbon neutral.  In other worlds,  if you send that scrap wood to the landfill will decompose and produce CO2 also.   Wood also displace fossil fuel and our dependence of foreign oils.   

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Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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From: "Nat Penton" <natpenton at centurytel.net> 

But Vince, what about the CO2
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Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 7:25 AM
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Talking about renewable energy.  I am working in a project to use biomass fuel to produce steam.  This project will use scrap wood to replace natural gas.  I am originally from Venezuela.  As you can guess, I will do everything to avoid buying oil from Hugo Chavez.

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Vicente "Vince" Bortone

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From: Steven Maxwell <patternrules at yahoo.com> 

 Nat seen some come though Indy a couple of years ago that was being trucked, 2 separate flat beds, the tail steerable like the old fire ladder trucks, one blade per, routing very important LOL, and yes I was guessing 100 ft. from what I have seen on TV is these things are getting bigger extensionally from the early models.
 Steve Maxwell

Nat Penton <natpenton at centurytel.net> wrote: 
I have never scene a modern wind turbine before, but today a train load came thru ( South Louisiana ) - blades, hubs, housings ?? The blades were singly loaded, LE down, and occupied approx 1 1/2 flatcars in length, 100ft ?

They may be headed to the Gulf. Sure hope it doesen't hurt the price of oil, LOL.
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