[NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI

[mike mueller]

 All any of you have to do is go on utube and look how the top flyers in the world do snaps. I don't have the links in front of me but there are plenty of video's of top f3a flights out there. The expectation of pitch break before the initiation of the snap is way over done. I think I know what a snap looks like and so do most others for that matter. It's way different than a roll. I involves a break in pitch and yaw and it happens all at once when most do it. That's how the best flyers do it and it's pretty well excepted by the majority. I love the snap elements and there's nothing like nailing them.    Mike           
--- On Mon, 6/16/08, Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com> wrote:

From: Woodward, Jim (US SSA) <jim.woodward at baesystems.com>
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI
To: "General pattern discussion" <nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 7:47 AM

Guys,

I thought the FAI changes explicitly allowed flick rolls?  The rule
reads, "... fuselage attitude must show a definite break and separation
from the flight path."  

It does not say, "MUST SHOW PITCH BREAK."   Please DO NOT
ERROUNIOUSLY
APPLY A PASS/FAIL MAJOR DEDUCTION initial assessment to the snap roll.
Watch the whole maneuver then render your score.  

A break and separation from the flight path simply means that the nose
and tail of the plane must rotate in a conical fashion about the fight
axis.  Yaw, roll, and pitch can all break at the same moment if that is
how the pilot does it.  

Hey :) some really handsome smart guy wrote some stuff at this link
below about snap rolls to help clarify how they are done in IMAC.  

http://www.mini-iac.com/DesktopDefault.aspx?tabid=77

thanks,
Jim


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org] On Behalf Of Ken
Thompson
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 10:47 PM
To: Ken Thompson; General pattern discussion
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI

How'd I do?
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Thompson" <KTHOMPSON56 at satx.rr.com>
To: "General pattern discussion"
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Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI


> That would be the first part...after that better be the tail forming a

> cone, or else...no it wouldn't be a snap;-)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
> To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI
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>
>> Ken,
>>
>> Would you say that if the plane breaks in pitch it is a snap?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jason
>> www.jasonshulman.com
>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>> www.composite-arf.com
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org 
>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ken 
>> Thompson
>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:36 PM
>> To: General pattern discussion
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI
>>
>>
>> LOL!!!  I'll be waiting in the wings to read the comments :-)
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "JShulman" <jshulman at cfl.rr.com>
>> To: "General pattern discussion"
<nsrca-discussion at lists.nsrca.org>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:22 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI
>>
>>
>>> Must be even closer to the Nats... after this is Spins...lol.
>>>
>>> Are we talking shoulder rolling or straight rolling?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jason
>>> www.jasonshulman.com
>>> www.shulmanaviation.com
>>> www.composite-arf.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org
>>> [mailto:nsrca-discussion-bounces at lists.nsrca.org]On Behalf Of Ken 
>>> Thompson
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 7:24 PM
>>> To: johnfuqua at embarqmail.com; General pattern discussion
>>> Subject: Re: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI
>>>
>>>
>>> How can it be a snap if no pitch or break is shown?
>>>
>>> And yes...I know this comment is setting up a serious discussion
:-)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "John Fuqua" <johnfuqua at embarqmail.com>
>>> To: "'NSRCA Mailing List'"
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>>> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2008 6:18 PM
>>> Subject: [NSRCA-discussion] Snap entry in FAI
>>>
>>>
>>>> For those FAI pilots at the Harvest contest this weekend who
took
the
>>>> position that the airplane need no longer show pitch or break
to
enter
>>>> the
>>>> snap I invite you to para 5B.7.5 of the FAI rule book.  Looks
to me

>>>> like
>>>> the
>>>> only change is that a zero is no longer appropriate but a
mandatory
>>>> downgrade of more than 5 points is.
>>>>
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